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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you get in touch with technology? With

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Speaker 1: tech Stuff from how stuff works dot com. Hello everyone,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to tech stuff. My name is Chris Poulette and

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Speaker 1: I'm an editor at how stuff works dot com. Sitting

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Speaker 1: across from me, as he always does, is senior writer

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland. Come to my window. I'll be home soon. Ah, yes,

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Speaker 1: because today we are talking about the next iteration of

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Speaker 1: the Microsoft computer operating system. Well, actually that's sort of

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Speaker 1: a misnumber, but we'll get into that in a second,

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Speaker 1: or what we know about it since it's so far

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Speaker 1: from release. By the developer release it's Windows eight, which

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Speaker 1: is actually just a code name. It may not be

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Speaker 1: called that once it hits the market sometime in the year.

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Speaker 1: I'm hoping it'll be called Susan, but I doubt it. Um.

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Speaker 1: Mr Ballmer said, get away from him and os named Sue. Yes.

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Speaker 1: Nice a little man in black action right there. Um

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Speaker 1: so yeah, we're just trying to cash in. Thanks. We

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Speaker 1: don't even really know a whole lot about this upbring system.

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Speaker 1: We know bits and pieces. Um ha ha bits. I

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Speaker 1: see what I did there, but it's really a lot

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Speaker 1: of it will be revealed further down the line. And

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Speaker 1: of course you may be listening to this, in which

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Speaker 1: case you're thinking, oh, wow, boy, did they get that wrong.

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Speaker 1: It's not our fault. We still we still get every

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Speaker 1: once in a while we'll get a comment on our

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Speaker 1: challenge for people to tell us what all seven versions

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Speaker 1: And it's funny because we always get messages like no, no,

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Speaker 1: Microsoft's wrong, and they're the ones naming it, so take

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Speaker 1: it up with them. So Windows eight right now, we're

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Speaker 1: really if you've if you've seen any pictures of it

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Speaker 1: But Windows eight kind of is. Oh yeah, well, I'm

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Speaker 1: actually surprised you didn't quote Berlin at the beginning of

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Speaker 1: this um, because it would be appropriate in this particular instance.

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Speaker 1: Now see Windows eight is right now, uh sort of

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Speaker 1: your system to crash. So if this is built directly

429
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 1: into Windows eight, what happens if you prefer a specific

430
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 1: type of anti malware program? Is it going to run

431
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: smoothly within the Windows eight environment without interfering with this

432
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 1: anti malware layer. I don't know. Yeah, of course, Uh

433
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: it's it's a good idea. You know. Let's say you've

434
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: booted your computer into Windows eight and it's got the

435
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: anti malware functionality and so everything should be okay. Um,

436
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that you can't download a virus and

437
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: have a non running copy. Uh, So it would be

438
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: nice to have something go on and lean that off.

439
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 1: You know. People who uh use other operating systems in

440
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: a corporate environment are often asked to put um anti

441
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 1: malware software on their computers and they'll, you know, maybe

442
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: because if you are running say Lenox, and you share

443
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 1: email with a bunch of people whore running Windows. That

444
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that just because the the particular malware doesn't

445
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 1: affect Linux computers doesn't mean you can't be a carrier

446
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 1: and email that either knowingly or unknowingly to Windows people

447
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 1: and infect their computers too. So, you know, there's any

448
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 1: time that you uh that you can clean off of

449
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: virus before transmitting it to somebody. And there will be many, many,

450
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 1: many millions of computers that are still running older versions

451
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: of the Windows operating system without that anti malware feature. Um.

452
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: You know, so the malware people are not going out

453
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 1: of business just for this, at least not right away,

454
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 1: not right away. But it's it's one of those things

455
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 1: where they're like, well, did Microsoft just put an expiration

456
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: date on our company? Yeah? Still, they will also have

457
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: something to do, even if it is completely impervious to

458
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: being beaten. Yeah. Well, the to get back to what

459
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 1: you were just talking about with with you know, rebooting

460
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: your computer without having to worry about malware. There are

461
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: a couple of other features and again this makes it

462
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: sound a lot more like a mobile device than an

463
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 1: operating system for a for a desktop or laptops. We

464
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: just don't see this that frequently. But the refresh your

465
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: PC and reset your PC features. Yes, so refresh your PC.

466
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: Windows eight will automatically back up all of the data

467
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 1: on your machine, um, all your personal files and and

468
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: if you've customized Windows eight in anyway, it saves all

469
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 1: those settings. And then what it does is it reinstalls

470
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: Windows from scratch and then ports all those settings over

471
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: into your new installed version of Windows eight. That's really nice. Yeah.

472
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: So so if for some reason something has become corrupted

473
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 1: and you need to be able to refresh your your

474
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: PC for some reason, sometimes that happens. Uh, This does

475
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: it automatically for you, so you don't have to worry

476
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: about porting all that information over to some external drive

477
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: so that you can pull it back over once you've reinstalled.

478
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 1: And reportedly this only takes a few minutes, like five

479
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 1: minutes to do, which is that's pretty incredible too. Um

480
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 1: I guess And now granted that process is probably gonna

481
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: take longer the more data you have, but but the

482
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 1: basic process of reinstalling Windows is about a five minute

483
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: long process. Now reset your PC. This is a lot

484
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 1: like the setting you see on a lot of mobile devices,

485
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: which is essentially restore factory settings, so you know, you

486
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: press this little command and it's gonna wipe everything off

487
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: that computer and started as if it just came out

488
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: of the box. That will also be nice. Yeah, I

489
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: mean there are times again when you want to be

490
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: able to do that, especially if you've had, you know,

491
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: some sort of corruption or malware infection. Assuming that the

492
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: reset old take care of that, you might be able

493
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: to to go back to a point where you weren't

494
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: being plagued by problems. Another hint that the mobile and

495
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: non mobile worlds are are colliding violently is the Windows

496
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: Store UM, and which might bear a certain resemblance to

497
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: another app store by a company that rhymes with Schmapple.

498
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: That's true, the Schmack Schmap store. Well, that's and I

499
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: think though, UM, regardless of of who came up with

500
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: the idea, because I know people will complain now, I mean,

501
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: I think it's a I think it's a great idea

502
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: for UH, for all the operating systems. Frankly, I mean

503
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: just to have to have a place where developers can

504
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: put their their apps up there for people to define

505
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: and download. UM. That's one of the things that I

506
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: liked way back when we did our Lenox episode. I

507
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,719
Speaker 1: really like the the ability to find application for Lenox

508
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: in a feature built into the build of Linux itself.

509
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: And I said, man, it would be really great if

510
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: Windows and Matt can do this too. Well, now they

511
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: can do so. UM Now I think it's I think

512
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: it's fantastic to be able to do that. UM. But yeah,

513
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: they are coming out with a Windows Store that from

514
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: which you will be able to buy applications. UM. And

515
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: I'm sure that that will it will be sort of

516
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: like the UM the other application stores, but it will

517
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: have you will have the ability to run these apps

518
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: on your Windows mobile device and your Windows eight computer

519
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah. And one other thing that I thought

520
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: was really interesting to me. Um, it's very similar to

521
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: the way operating systems like ubunt to allow you to Uh,

522
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: you know, you can run Ubuntu from a flash drive. Yes,

523
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: you can just be thumb drive so you know, you

524
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: don't have to replace the native operating system on your device.

525
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: If you want to run Ubuntu, you can just plug

526
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: in a USB drive and you can either boot it.

527
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: You know, you can boot Ubuntu instead of your operating system,

528
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: or you can even run it side by side. Now, uh,

529
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,239
Speaker 1: there are a lot of different reasons why you want

530
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: to do that, but we won't. We don't need to

531
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: really get into that. The reason why I bring it

532
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: up is that Windows eight actually has a Windows to

533
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: Go feature that will allow you to boot into Windows

534
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: eight from a USB drive. That's really useful as well. Yeah,

535
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: it's kind of a it's a new approach for Microsoft.

536
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: It's not something that you would I would not have

537
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: expected it from from Microsoft, which that's a great compliment

538
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: to give a company as as old as Microsoft. Microsoft,

539
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: of course is like you think about, that's one of

540
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,719
Speaker 1: the companies that defines the standard. Yes, so when Microsoft

541
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: does something innovative, that's big news because you don't really

542
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: think of it as an innovative company really. You think

543
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: of it as like the dependable company that is sort

544
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: of the measuring stick that you use it to to

545
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: judge other companies by. And when Microsoft, which you know,

546
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: you think of it as this big, monolithic company that

547
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: you know, it's really hard to get stuff, uh moving.

548
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: When something like this happens, you're like, oh, okay, you

549
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,239
Speaker 1: know what, that's my fault. It's a misconception in my

550
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: mind of what this company is and what it's capable

551
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: of doing. It's nice to see that. Now. Whether or

552
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,239
Speaker 1: not it ends up being a feature that a lot

553
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: of people take advantage of, that's another matter entirely. But

554
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: it does mean that people will potentially have the opportunity

555
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,239
Speaker 1: to test out Windows eight and see if they like

556
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: it before committing to that system. Now granted, of course,

557
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,959
Speaker 1: just like any other Microsoft operating system, eventually, this will

558
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: be the standard. Essentially on launch day. That's when you're

559
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: gonna start seeing it, like all the all the PCs

560
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: that run Microsoft from that point forward are going to

561
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: have at least the option of running Windows eight, and

562
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: then within a year or two it's not even an option,

563
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: it's standard. Um to that. To that end, it's it's

564
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: hard to say since uh, and if you're you're intrigued

565
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: by this other than the developer preview, you're you want

566
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: to get your hands on a real copy of Windows eight,

567
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: It's gonna be about a year from the time of

568
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: recording this apparently, which is in uh, getting to the

569
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: end of September two eleven, UM, so it's it's gonna

570
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: be probably late summer, early fall somewhere in there next year. UM.

571
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting though to see if they if Microsoft

572
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: decides to release the operating system on a flash drive

573
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: or some other medium other than DVD. Uh. I would

574
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: imagine they might even do something similar to what mac

575
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: os does, where you can download it directly, uh and

576
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: then install it that way. Yeah, I think that that

577
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: would be very useful, uh for a lot of people.

578
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: Of course, not everyone has a broadband connection. I think

579
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: you're still they're still gonna have to offer some kind

580
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: of physical medium, sure, uh, from which they can you know,

581
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: they can load it onto a computer, but you know it,

582
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see whether they're going to adopt something different,

583
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 1: um when this actually comes out in stores. Yeah. And

584
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: I can actually see a time where, you know, we've

585
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: talked about again the post PC era. I can see

586
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 1: a time where we get to a point where where

587
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,479
Speaker 1: instead of laptop computers that's what Chris and I tend

588
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: to use at work, Instead of laptop computers, you get

589
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: a tablet and you have a docking station at work,

590
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,240
Speaker 1: and you just dock your tablet when you get to work,

591
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: and you've got a you know, a keyboard, Bluetooth keyboard

592
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: or you know, maybe it's wired to the dock. It

593
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter uh that you use and you you

594
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 1: use your tablet as if it were a desktop while

595
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: you're at work, but then when you're done, you can

596
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: just pop it out and then it's it makes that

597
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: noise to pop it out, and then you've got your

598
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: tablet and you still have access to all the information,

599
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: or maybe you don't, depending upon how they create the system.

600
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: I mean, and maybe it's like you have access to

601
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 1: some apps while you're at work, and then in order

602
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: to a you know, secure that data, you don't have

603
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: access to it when it's not in a stocking station.

604
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 1: But I can easily see that happening because again we're

605
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: talking about a future where cloud computing is taking over.

606
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: So you don't necessarily have to worry about creating a

607
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: device that's going to have a massive hard drive, which

608
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: you know that's that's one of the things that takes

609
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: up a lot of space. Even with solid state you

610
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: know you eventually that's gonna put extra space in a

611
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: in a form factor that as we've all seen, people

612
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: prefer the slim, sexy version of the tablet. They don't

613
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 1: want just because just because something is capable of doing

614
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: more stuff doesn't mean that people will go out and

615
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: buy it because it might look a little clunky to them.

616
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: You and and depending on what you're doing, you may

617
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: not even need, you know, a syrit more serious powerful computer. Um.

618
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,240
Speaker 1: You know, people who do a lot of video editing

619
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: and heavy graphics and uh that kind of stuff are

620
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,919
Speaker 1: still going to prefer desktop computers because they can use

621
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: that the extra processing power. I mean can't You still

622
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: can't put a high end processor as high end a

623
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: processor let me, let me clarify that in notebooks simply

624
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: because of the heat. Yeah. It generates so much heat

625
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 1: that it will actually make the the components within the

626
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 1: device start to malfunction. Uh you have. That's why you've

627
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 1: got like these. That's why when you hear about gamer rigs,

628
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,919
Speaker 1: like the really super advanced ones, you'll hear about things

629
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: like water cooling or nitrogen cooling. I mean you can

630
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: talk about some pretty crazy cooling systems in order to

631
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: keep a handle on the heat. Yeah, just and not

632
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: just because of the main processor, but also for the

633
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: graphics processors as well. Um, and also the uh amount

634
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: of power that it draws. And of course from there

635
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: you go down to the tablet and you you have

636
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: to take another cut because uh, you know, it can't

637
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: the form factor will not allow you to use as

638
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: powerful processor. Yeah, you don't even have You may not

639
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: have any way of cooling that tablet other than you know,

640
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: waving it around in the air, right, because it's not

641
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: you know, the form factor doesn't allow you to have

642
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Speaker 1: a fan. Right. But depending on what you're doing, you

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Speaker 1: a full size laptop. Yeah. I can definitely see this

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Speaker 1: don't mean to suggest that Windows eight is the future

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Speaker 1: to me, looks like a pretty good bet that this

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Speaker 1: so I think that wraps up this discussion. Yeah, we

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