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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal hell.

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Speaker 2: That for me. I'm a man, I'm forty. I've heard

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Speaker 2: so many players say, well, I want to be happy.

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Speaker 2: You want to be happy for a day. Edith Steak

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Speaker 2: is that woo woom?

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Speaker 1: And them and tie.

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Speaker 3: Dan Rubinstein, welcome back, my friend. It's good to have

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Speaker 3: you another week here. Off season twenty twenty five. How

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Speaker 2: I'm good, ty. I've been watching, you know, scrubbing through

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Speaker 2: some spring games and looking at, you know, new quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: Julian saying Bryce Underwood, CJ. Carr. I don't have a

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Speaker 2: lot of thoughts because spring games have been neutered, if

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Speaker 2: they even exist anymore. I guess Nebraska is now going

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Speaker 2: to have a scrimmage or had a scrimmage. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if it's happened yet. But you look at the crowds,

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Speaker 2: you look at the styles of these spring games. It

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Speaker 2: just feels off. It just feels different. But at the

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Speaker 2: same time, you can kind of get a sense like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I think Julian Sayan's got a thing here. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: think he's pretty good at the very least, like CJ.

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Speaker 2: Carr was some good balls, and like Price Underwood should

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Speaker 2: be a senior in high school, and even then you

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Speaker 2: can squint and be like, ooh, I could see where

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Speaker 2: this could go really really well for Michigan in two

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Speaker 2: and a half years or something, because you know, heaping

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Speaker 2: everything expectation wise on a senior in high school at

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Speaker 2: this moment is a little much. But good to have

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Speaker 2: it in my life. Good to be seeing Clemson stuff.

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Speaker 2: Good to be seeing you know, good to have reference

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Speaker 3: I believe Michigan ran some sort of flea flicker from

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Speaker 3: their own goal line on the play that's been circulating

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Speaker 3: social media showing off Brice Underwood's arm strength, which fuck

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Speaker 3: you put it on money. Yeah, I have not yet

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Speaker 3: gone through that entire game, but I've started going through

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Speaker 3: some of them that I'm able to find online, and

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Speaker 3: it's it's good to at least see some of these

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Speaker 3: guys out there and start to understand what they're all about.

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Speaker 3: Julian saying you mentioned him. It was kind of like

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Speaker 3: that three quarter delivery, right. You're just trying to get

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Speaker 3: to know some of these players in advance of what

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Speaker 3: I think will be our pre season come July, obviously,

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Speaker 3: the new season come end of August, early September. Welcome

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Speaker 3: back into the show. Alas this is the off season.

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Speaker 3: Hope it is treating everybody well. Hope you had a

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Speaker 3: good weekend. On today's episode, Pete Nakos from on three.

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Speaker 3: You know him from his transfer portal reporting, from some

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Speaker 3: of the reporting he's done on the business side of

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Speaker 3: college sports. I probably picked the worst time to have

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Speaker 3: Pete on because the portal is open now and I'm

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Speaker 3: sure he's gonna be a little bit distracted. But nonetheless,

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Speaker 3: he was gracious enough to give us some of his time.

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Speaker 3: So we're thrilled to finally get him on this program

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Speaker 3: and talk through the Nico thing, what that was like

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Speaker 3: from his perspective, what he is seeing just trend wise

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Speaker 3: with respect to the transfer portal and how recruits are

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Speaker 2: We also saw so there are upcoming meetings in Ashville,

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Speaker 2: I believe of the playoff. Oh my god, representatives, committee members, rules,

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Speaker 3: I am closing my eyes as you were describing.

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Speaker 2: This discussing the future possibilities of like automatic bids and

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Speaker 3: They are making this so complicated. Yeah, and people who

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Speaker 3: all things transfer portal. It has never been more complicated

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Speaker 3: Anytime they start throwing TV ratings into this thing and

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Speaker 2: And every to be clear, every major sport has its

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Speaker 3: It really doesn't. Just listen. Like I said, TV ratings

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Speaker 2: And where does it end? Merch sales tie, hotel rooms booked.

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Speaker 3: I have no idea, but all I'm saying is when

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Speaker 2: An idea, not a specific thing that they've agreed on.

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Speaker 3: Well, somebody wants it if they've put out that idea.

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Speaker 2: No, it's all It all goes back to John Boyce's

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Speaker 2: lowercase G. You just explaining rankings are different than seedings

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Speaker 1: I'm good, guys, thanks so much for having me on.

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Speaker 1: in college too. It makes it so like you don't

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Speaker 1: have that in the NFL, right because everyone has the

435
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Speaker 1: same salary cap and things like that, or I should

436
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Speaker 1: just say in professional sports, and it's so different in college.

437
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Speaker 2: So do coaches just want guidance? Do they just want

438
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Speaker 2: you know, rules and regulations and what they can do,

439
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 2: what they can't do, what players can and can't do,

440
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Speaker 2: what agents can. Is that the biggest complaint you get

441
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Speaker 2: from coaching stabs? I like that word stabs and not staffs.

442
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Speaker 2: Is that what you're hearing? Or what are the more

443
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Speaker 2: like nuanced complaints and stressors that coaches have in this world?

444
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Speaker 1: It's such a double edged sword, you know what I mean?

445
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Speaker 1: Because like for every coach that says like they wish

446
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Speaker 1: they had more enforcement, the other coaches like, yeah, well,

447
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 1: now no one's going to come after me if I

448
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 1: try to go get this kid in the portal. But

449
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Speaker 1: I would say overall people just wish the which is

450
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Speaker 1: membership run did something.

451
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Speaker 3: It's like such a wild West feeling right now with

452
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Speaker 3: regard to the transfer portal, and something that Dan and

453
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Speaker 3: I have talked about often is the effect that we

454
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Speaker 3: think it's having on coaches. Right You've got almost this

455
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Speaker 3: interesting dynamic where you've got guys like Dan Lanning, Marcus Freeman,

456
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Speaker 3: others who seem like they are full throttle on board

457
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Speaker 3: with where the sport is headed. We had a conversation

458
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Speaker 3: talking about Chris Climb in a week ago where and

459
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Speaker 3: Chris Climb and Can't State have actually done pretty well

460
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Speaker 3: with all things portal, but there's at least a question

461
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Speaker 3: of is this starting to kind of wear him down.

462
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Speaker 3: We've talked about this with other coaches that have been

463
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Speaker 3: around a while. Is that the sense that you get

464
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Speaker 3: as well, that this constant variability with respect to the

465
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Speaker 3: portal and just the game as a whole is driving

466
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Speaker 3: some coaches out of the sport and it is giving

467
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Speaker 3: birth to like this new breed of coach that you

468
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Speaker 3: know it is more comfortable operating in I guess with

469
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Speaker 3: different requirements.

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Speaker 1: Now, the transfer portal has definitely created like two segments

471
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Speaker 1: of coaches I'd say there's the coaches who like have

472
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Speaker 1: completely like you know, hugged it and completely have owned it,

473
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Speaker 1: and it's the reason why a lot of teams are

474
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Speaker 1: winning right now. I don't do we ce Ohio Stay

475
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Speaker 1: won the national title last year if they don't do

476
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Speaker 1: what they did in the portal, I don't know. I'm

477
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Speaker 1: guessing not. But then you also the other segment that

478
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Speaker 1: you know, they're going to the NFL or they're getting

479
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Speaker 1: out of coaching or things like that, and that keeps

480
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Speaker 1: shrinking more and more because the coaches who don't like

481
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Speaker 1: the portal or finding ways to get out. You know,

482
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Speaker 1: you mentioned a wildlileless too. I have a lot of

483
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Speaker 1: interesting conversations about that term. There's a lot of people

484
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Speaker 1: and I think I agree with this who say it

485
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Speaker 1: is what it is, and you kind of have to

486
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Speaker 1: like embrace it at this point, like that's like what

487
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Speaker 1: a Dan Landing has done, Like he's figured out how

488
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Speaker 1: to win in this new era. And though it is lawless,

489
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 1: sometimes they have figured out how to do it. And

490
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Speaker 1: the programs that keep just kind of like shutting from

491
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Speaker 1: the mountaintop that like it's a wild while West.

492
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Speaker 3: Screwed up or getting left behind just out of curiosity.

493
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Speaker 3: How many guys almost went in the portal but did not,

494
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Speaker 3: big name guys that maybe you've had conversations about. It

495
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Speaker 3: didn't come to fruition. But to your point from earlier,

496
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Speaker 3: they're they're interested in maybe dipping a toe in the water.

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Speaker 1: I can probably name at least like six to ten

498
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks off the top of my head right now. That

499
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Speaker 1: would have really made for a very interesting market this

500
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Speaker 1: spring that definitely are either getting a raise or have

501
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Speaker 1: gotten a raise just because they've decided to stay.

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Speaker 3: You wouldn't have slept for like two weeks if that

503
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Speaker 3: were the case.

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Speaker 1: But that's okay, Okay, it makes I'll take all the craziness, man,

505
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Speaker 1: It's what makes it fun. And you know, I know

506
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Speaker 1: people complain about the spring portal window and everything, and

507
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: I know it gives coaches headaches, but it's also you know,

508
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Speaker 1: it is what college football is now. So I have

509
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Speaker 1: no problem. The crazier the better for us. O.

510
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Speaker 3: Well, I was gonna ask about you, I mean, so,

511
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Speaker 3: what is your setup for tracking all this? And you

512
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Speaker 3: got the laptop in front of you. I'm sure you

513
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 3: are monitoring second by second to see if there are

514
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Speaker 3: any new names that pop up on your radar? But

515
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Speaker 3: when you're out of the office, when you're at home,

516
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 3: do you have like a command center in the basement

517
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Speaker 3: with eight screen Like how I just feel like you're

518
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Speaker 3: always tweeting about these things and you're very, very in

519
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 3: the know. You've got your figure on the pulse for

520
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 3: all things transfer portal. How do you keep track of

521
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Speaker 3: all of this? Because it's dizzying for the rest of us.

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Speaker 1: So I moved here to Nashville in August, and I'll

523
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Speaker 1: just say I think it's been a lot better like work. Why,

524
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Speaker 1: Like I'm right next to our social team all day

525
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: and my editor and it makes life a lot easier

526
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Speaker 1: and just trying to like follow it all minute by minute.

527
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Speaker 1: I got a nice big monitor and I got my

528
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Speaker 1: phone and try to make it work. And yeah, well,

529
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Speaker 1: if I'm not on the phone, I'm like refreshing the

530
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Speaker 1: portal or vice versa. And I like it. I Like,

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of people think the portal can

532
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: be annoying things, but it's fun to try to track

533
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Speaker 1: stuff like new stuff down every day.

534
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Speaker 3: It's definitely been a change for the people that we

535
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 3: know and love that listen to our show and write infrequently.

536
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 3: I think everyone's just trying to get their their head

537
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 3: around what all this new business means in college football,

538
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Speaker 3: because it is so different from what we've seen. I mean,

539
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 3: really for the entirety of the sport. You know.

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Speaker 1: The flip side of it too, is like I love

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Speaker 1: the passion shrey of college football, right, Like some of

542
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: the best parts about college football are just like going

543
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 1: to a game and like being It's like a completely

544
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:51,239
Speaker 1: different experience than anything else in sport. And I know

545
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Speaker 1: the transfer portal drives a lot of fans crazy, and

546
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: I've heard from a lot of those fans. And you know,

547
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: I taught to Paul finebamb for an interview in February.

548
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: It's like Pete, like I keep hearing from people over

549
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,239
Speaker 1: sixty you just despise where the sports editor right now.

550
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: And I get all that. I do think though the

551
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Speaker 1: portal makes the sport more relevant three sixty five.

552
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Speaker 3: It's definitely more of an NFL news cycle, Yeah, you know,

553
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 3: where there is something to talk about every month. I

554
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 3: think the big concern that at least we have heard,

555
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 3: since we're a national show and people of all stripes

556
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 3: listen to us, this idea of programs becoming farm systems.

557
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 3: There is there is a real aversion to that that

558
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Speaker 3: does not set well with people who are say pit fans.

559
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Speaker 1: And there's a lot of that too. And you know,

560
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: like I went to Ohio University like that, Like I

561
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: went to a G five school and Bobcat is just

562
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: one of the first MAX titles since nineteen sixty eight

563
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Speaker 1: last year. Big stuff. But what the portal has done

564
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Speaker 1: to those programs is eye opening. As much as I

565
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Speaker 1: say I like the transfer portal, I'm also very interested

566
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Speaker 1: to see like one in a high universe looks like

567
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Speaker 1: in the next decade, especially with like revenue sharing and

568
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: things of that sort, Like do they have to go

569
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Speaker 1: fcs just because of you know, trying to like keep

570
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Speaker 1: some continuity because being a feeder system, I don't know

571
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Speaker 1: if it if it's has the longevity to sustain itself.

572
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Speaker 3: I mean, I guess my question would be, I mean, clearly,

573
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Speaker 3: if you're talking about a G five school, that is

574
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Speaker 3: one conversation. But if we bring it up a level

575
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Speaker 3: to the Power conferences, if you are what is considered

576
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Speaker 3: a mid tier P four school, what is your recourse

577
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Speaker 3: for not becoming that feeder program. How do you retain

578
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Speaker 3: what it is you've built and not just shuttle it

579
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Speaker 3: off to a bigger place. Is it purely money? Is

580
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 3: it coaching? Is it is it structure of the program? Like,

581
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 3: what what is the recipe for avoiding that fate?

582
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Speaker 1: I know I just talked up I'm a bobcap But

583
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Speaker 1: what Jason Kandle is on a Toledo everyone should be

584
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: taking notes about. Like he's produced NFL draft picks in

585
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: the last five years at Toledo, and you got to

586
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: get a certain kind of player. But I think the

587
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: pitch is like, hey, come here and really be developed,

588
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: and maybe you're not a five star, but we're going

589
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: to make you a first round draft pick by you

590
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Speaker 1: sell them on the four year plan, not just like

591
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: getting the bag and playing big time football away. It's like, hey,

592
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: come here and get an education. We'll make sure you

593
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: get some nil opportunities in Glass City, and we're going

594
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Speaker 1: to try to get your ready for the NFL by

595
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: your time here is done. I think that has to

596
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Speaker 1: be the pitch. I thought it's enough major coaches now

597
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Speaker 1: to just know that trying to get a kid there

598
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: and trying to get an X amount of dollars just

599
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: probably isn't going to work out.

600
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Speaker 2: So the big name in that instance is Quinnon Mitchell,

601
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Speaker 2: who seems like he had and has talked about I believe,

602
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong, having big opportunities. Yes, you know,

603
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 2: given his time at Toledo, given the success he had

604
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Speaker 2: at Corner, obviously drafted in the first round and opted

605
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: to stay at Toledo. Question there is how does he

606
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 2: find out about that? How does he find out about interest?

607
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: What is the most common way for somebody who is

608
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 2: successful at a big program, at a medium sized program,

609
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 2: at a small program to find out about interest? Is

610
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 2: it laundered through high school coaches, laundered through parents? Is

611
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 2: it directly told to them after a game on the field?

612
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 2: Is what is the easiest way for a player to

613
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Speaker 2: know what his options are before officially entering the portal?

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Speaker 1: All of the above, But by far, it's having an

615
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: agent who is feeling calls when you're balling out on

616
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Speaker 1: the field. Okay, I'd say that's like, by far number one,

617
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: what's going on? And then it's agents fielding calls, and

618
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: then the agent also like calling every school in the.

619
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Speaker 2: Country who is calling the agent more likely than not.

620
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Speaker 1: It's interesting you don't have a lot of position coaches

621
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Speaker 1: calling agents. Okay, you get an nil collect if you

622
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: have your like you're after a player personnel. And then

623
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: in some instances it's like the head coach because he

624
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: doesn't want his position coaches worrying about it.

625
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Speaker 2: How long does it take for somebody who is newly successful,

626
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 2: Let's say, take your pick a Boston College quarterback, an

627
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 2: Oregon quarterback, a Texas Tech quarterback, sure that they are

628
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 2: a freshman star. How long will it take them is

629
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Speaker 2: it a game? Is it five games into a freshman

630
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 2: year or a red shirt freshman year before they understand

631
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Speaker 2: that there's interest in them.

632
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Speaker 1: If there's like a true freshman who puts the other

633
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Speaker 1: like four really good games, I would say then they're

634
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Speaker 1: probably in phone calls because then that school who's calling,

635
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: he's probably saying like, hey, you should red shirt because

636
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: then they'll have more eligibility.

637
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 2: How often will they know in that instance this is

638
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 2: completely hypothetical, Yeah, but how often is a specific number

639
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: mentioned in that conversation? Like you are a star, you've

640
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 2: played three or four incredible games. You're let's say you're

641
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 2: a star running back at a G five place. Let's say

642
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 2: you are a star running back at Boise as a

643
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 2: true freshman, how long until you find out what like

644
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: solid numbers might look.

645
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: Like different in every situation. I'd say, if a school's

646
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: contacting you after those four games, they're probably wagging in

647
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: number in your face. That would convince you to go

648
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: in the portal. But then you're also not like actually

649
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: like signing a contract until you go in the portal.

650
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Speaker 2: Right, do you have instances of like the wildest way

651
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 2: that somebody found out that there is interest in them?

652
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 2: Have there been postgame like.

653
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: There definitely have been postgame interactions yes, okay.

654
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 2: On the field, yeah, okay, yeah, anything even wilder?

655
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, like an airplane carrying a banner some sort, nothing

656
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 3: like that.

657
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: Okay, that hasn't happened yet. I will mention that the

658
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: one interesting thing, and this isn't like the craziest way

659
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: school has ever contacted kid, but like, I think more

660
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: and more, and we saw last year with Carson Beck

661
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: going to Miami the interesting back channels of communication between

662
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: NFL agents and schools. When a quarterback does not have

663
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: the greatest draft grade, it's just gonna be fascinating to

664
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: watch in the years to come. I think we're like

665
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,439
Speaker 1: only at the tip of the iceberg there.

666
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 2: What happened with cam Ward last season? Obviously there was

667
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 2: some NFL interests, but he was not pleased with where

668
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 2: he was evaluated, made the move from Washington State to

669
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 2: Miami and obviously has tremendously helped his stock. How close

670
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 2: was he to just going to the NFL last year?

671
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 2: What do you remember about that specific portal recruitment that

672
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 2: one was?

673
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: I distinctly remember New Year's Eve getting a phone call

674
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: being like, it's either going to be Miami or the

675
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: NFL Draft. And when I went to bed that night

676
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: and I was like, well, he's obviously gonna go to Miami,

677
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: Like why would They're gonna pay him well? And I

678
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: think he's gonna have a chance to want a Heisman.

679
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: As ended up playing it like why wouldn't you just

680
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: go there? And he picked the NFL Draft. And the

681
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: reason why I think he picked the NFL Draft is

682
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: because he had made so many stops and felt like

683
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: he had proven himself time and time and again that

684
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: he was kind of like, what, like, let's go do it,

685
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: Like I'm ready, Like, let's go do it. And then

686
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: like Mario Crystabaal and Shannon Dawson like did not let up,

687
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: like they just continued to make phone calls and make

688
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: sure that cam knew that he had a spot at

689
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: Miami if he wanted it. And then maybe that draft

690
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: grade wasn't great. But then I think it also kind

691
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: of came together of like hey, like I can, like

692
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: seriously go try to be the number one pick in

693
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five as we're probably going to see play

694
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:31,760
Speaker 1: out later this week.

695
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 2: Are there ever names put into the portal that are

696
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: put in and removed so quickly that most people don't

697
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 2: see it.

698
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: No, The one like portal flaw is a kid will

699
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: enter in the compliance department might screw up his entry

700
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: like on the back end, like maybe it's like there's

701
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: a misspelling and he gets withdrawn, and sometimes like a

702
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 1: happens with a big player. So you got to like

703
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: wait a minute and be like, okay, like does this

704
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: happened like the David soone thing last night like was

705
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: one hundred percent real him with drawing. But for a

706
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: minute when I first saw I was like I need

707
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: to make a phone call to make sure this is

708
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 1: like one hundred percent sure.

709
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 2: What do you know about the recruitment of high school

710
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 2: players in getting into a system and immediately regretting it,

711
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 2: and what is that process? Like, how often are you

712
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: seeing I mean, we've seen early enrollies go through spring,

713
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,720
Speaker 2: go through half of spring, and then enter the portal.

714
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 2: What do you know behind the scenes about sort of

715
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 2: the immediate acrimony of guys just going to a school

716
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 2: for two weeks.

717
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 1: I don't want to name names, but there's definitely been

718
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,919
Speaker 1: some situations in the last year where a kid thinks

719
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: he's walking into a different situation and he instantly realizes

720
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: it's not going to be that, And he hits some

721
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: portal or highly ranked recruit, thinks they better, they're better

722
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: than they are in high school, and then suddenly realize

723
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: is in college as a path to starting isn't going

724
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: to be as like you know, I mean right there

725
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: as it might be expected.

726
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 3: Pee. We had a conversation with your colleague Andy Staples

727
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 3: years ago now when nil was first becoming a thing,

728
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 3: and Andy's theory at the time was, as we were

729
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 3: talking about the money that was being thrown around, or

730
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 3: at least at that point in time, purported values that

731
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 3: we had heard Andy's theory was that eventually the market

732
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 3: would figure out a way to regulate itself. Now, in

733
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 3: this case regulation I use in air quotes. Right, we

734
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 3: know there's not a whole lot of that. But with

735
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 3: respect to how much guys are being paid, how much

736
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 3: they're being offered, Andy's theory again was that, well, the

737
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 3: market will set itself and then reset itself and balance

738
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 3: itself out so that the people putting the money out

739
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 3: there are getting a good return on their investment. Have

740
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 3: we seen any kind of rejiggering on that level where

741
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 3: somebody spent X number on a player, they did not

742
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 3: get what they thought they would get in return, and

743
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 3: therefore they're a little bit more gun shy never again

744
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 3: about putting those numbers out there. Or are we seeing

745
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 3: this thing just accelerate out of control.

746
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: We've definitely seen the moment where players have been let

747
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: go because they were paid too much coming out of

748
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: high school. Yeah, and that's going to continue to happen more.

749
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: And I think we're seeing a lot right now guys

750
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: entering the portal in this window where maybe they just

751
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: didn't get a starting job they thought they were going

752
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 1: to get. Her school is basically like We're not going

753
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: to pay you this much in twenty twenty five. You're

754
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:33,959
Speaker 1: gonna have to find somewhere else to play.

755
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 3: Who is determining this value? I mean, I guess the

756
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 3: easy answer to be able to market determines value. But

757
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 3: you guys over and on three you do kind of

758
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 3: like an on three nil value calculation. I'm curious about

759
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 3: the voodoo behind that. How you try to figure out

760
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 3: that number? Who is setting this market? Where are these

761
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 3: numbers coming from?

762
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: So the wildest thing right now about college football and

763
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 1: how much players are valued is like it's basic how

764
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: much a school wants to pay, and now there's like

765
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: an nil collective association and together those guys have kind

766
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: of like figured out how much they feel like they

767
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: should be paying for like a starting SEC quarterback or

768
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: Big ten quarterback. And that kind of rings true across

769
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: the sport. But I know this is a college football podcast,

770
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 1: but like college basketball right now is wild. The numbers

771
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 1: being thrown around right now in college basketball are insane,

772
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: and a lot of what's happening right now in college

773
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 1: basketball as a kid saying I want four million dollars

774
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: any ways, to see what school is going to happen.

775
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: We haven't hit that in football just because of you know,

776
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: you got to put together like an eighty five man

777
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: roster and things like that, so the amount of money

778
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: one player can get is a little different. But I think, like,

779
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 1: for example, like you're gonna be like, it's not going

780
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: to be easy to go find a starting quarterback right

781
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: now in the power for making less than a million dollars,

782
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 1: right And that's kind of what recruits expect now too,

783
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: coming out of high school.

784
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 3: Do you find that teams now, especially since we've got

785
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 3: this GM position that seems to be popping up all

786
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 3: over the place. Are you starting to see more of

787
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 3: an NFL model? Take hold? One of the things that

788
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 3: was sent into us is why I bring this up.

789
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 3: You know, for example, seven to ten percent of a

790
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 3: team's spend goes to a good left tackle, right that

791
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 3: sort of thing. Are you starting to hear coaches and

792
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 3: personnel talk about it in that sense, almost as if

793
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 3: they were managing a salary cap or is it not

794
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 3: that mature at the stage?

795
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. I think I think that left tackle,

796
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: edge quarterback are by far your three most like highly

797
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 1: valued positions.

798
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 3: Like your power positions, in the NFL assentsion.

799
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, and it's it's ringing true. Now, what Jeremiah

800
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: Smith is done to the wide receiver marketing college football

801
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:54,280
Speaker 1: is insane.

802
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 2: Where was it and where is it now?

803
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: Wide receiver made seven fifty million dollars two years ago.

804
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: My jaw hit the floor. I could probably name at

805
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: least like ten wide receivers right now in that range. Well,

806
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: if not making more.

807
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 2: It was Fran brown Wright and his appraisal of two

808
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 2: million dollars.

809
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: I have not been able to confirmed that he asked

810
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: for two million dollars, and I don't expect where every

811
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: lands see at two million dollars. But I think Fran

812
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 1: has a point.

813
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 2: Well, I meant about Jeremiah Smith. That's the that's the feeling.

814
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 1: Trevor Payne, No, No, he was talking now, Yeah, No,

815
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: brand is one hundred percent right. I think it's a

816
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: little bit more than that too. Wow.

817
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 2: Is there anybody that gets there used to be a

818
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 2: conversation about like the Nick Saban discount, right, that you

819
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 2: go to Alabama, you take less than what you could

820
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 2: have gotten, but because the development, the winning, the stage,

821
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 2: the coaching, whatever, that you were going to be so

822
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 2: high profile that you're going to make up that money

823
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 2: tenfold whatever. Are there any coaches programs right now that

824
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,439
Speaker 2: you see that players either in the portal either coming

825
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 2: out of high school are willing to take a little

826
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:06,280
Speaker 2: less four.

827
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's definitely some type of a Georgian discount right now. Okay,

828
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: I think it's just because of the track record that

829
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:18,439
Speaker 1: Kirby has a sending guys to the NFL. I think

830
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: that's going to change though, too, with the revenue sharing.

831
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 1: I think Georgia will end up having to start paying

832
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: like everyone else. But the last couple of recruiting cycles,

833
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: there's definitely been a Georgia discount.

834
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 3: How do recruits feel about Bill Belichick? Did they see

835
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 3: him as like a gravy train to get him into

836
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 3: the NFL? Or is their skepticism of, you know, a

837
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 3: seventy two year old former NFL guy coaching for the first.

838
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: Time in college. I have talked to some agents who

839
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: have high school recruits who have gone on a Bill

840
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: Belichick visit, and it's been described very funny to me,

841
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: where like Bill hangs out with recruits and stuff, but

842
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: like it's just the recruits can't believe they're just casually

843
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: hanging out with Bill Belichick.

844
00:42:58,320 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 3: So they're starstruck.

845
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: Their starstruck, but it's also like it's also this interesting

846
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: idea where Bill is trying to win over like a

847
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: four star recruit, but Bill's also trying to wrap his

848
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: head around about like how do I approach a sixteen

849
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: year old in high school and try to get them

850
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: to come to North heret like it's a lot of

851
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: things colliding and it makes her a very interesting visit

852
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: of it.

853
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 2: He's not fluent yet in recruiting.

854
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,439
Speaker 1: I don't know. If he's not fluent, I just think

855
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: that I don't know. Is Bill Belichick ever going to

856
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: be fluent in recruiting?

857
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 3: I don't know.

858
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 2: Or conversational? Yeah, yeah, Now.

859
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 1: He's obviously visited more high schoolers than Dean Sanders has

860
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:37,439
Speaker 1: to this point.

861
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 3: Let's bring this full circle, Pete, what's Tennessee going to

862
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 3: do now for its quarterback? Have you read any tea

863
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 3: leaves on that front or have any hints as to

864
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 3: what's coming, when it might be coming, who they're looking at,

865
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 3: that type of thing, if you guys, maybe bet right

866
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 3: now I'm going to say that Kinnessees transer Portal Quarterback

867
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 3: Edition and is not in the portal yet.

868
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 2: Okay, but you anticipate Tennessee's twenty twenty five quarterback is

869
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 2: somebody currently wearing another team's uniform.

870
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: Well, they're starting quarterback? No, I don't know that.

871
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 2: Okay.

872
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: I want to see what Julie Aguilar does that UCLA.

873
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 2: Sure.

874
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: I am also very intrigued to see what the other

875
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,439
Speaker 1: option is that they can't get a guy they feel

876
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: like can start in the SEC and I think in

877
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: that situation we could see like a Jick Murkinger starting

878
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: in week one.

879
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 3: Pete Nakos, you know well from On three. Here is

880
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 3: my final question for you, and I have been teasing

881
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 3: this for months. You and I have message back and forth,

882
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 3: though not about this. How has On three not branded

883
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 3: you as portal Pete at this stage of the game,

884
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 3: given all your fine work, I'll just say there's a

885
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 3: lot of transfer portal edits behind the scenes right now.

886
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 2: Good, you gotta get that brandy going.

887
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: But I don't think they're ever going to be made public.

888
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:00,959
Speaker 1: But they're made out of fun.

889
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 2: Okay, cool, because we have like the Pong bomb, right,

890
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: We've got bomb, Yeah, We've got the will Fong bomb.

891
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,919
Speaker 2: We have what does he call it Spatulas season. Yeah,

892
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 2: right right before signing day.

893
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: Yeah.

894
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 2: I just think there's something there. There's something there.

895
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: But a NACo's nuke.

896
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 2: It's not bad. It's not the most positive connotation. But

897
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: you already have the pong bomb though, Like I feel

898
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 2: like you got to get away from explosives. I don't know.

899
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 3: Listen, Pistol Pete. It worked out well for him. Persue Pete.

900
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 3: Both these entities are household names. Portal Pete is clean.

901
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 3: It is what you do. It is what you're known

902
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 3: for a lot. I know you do other things. I

903
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 3: don't want to pigeonhole you, but Portal Pete feels like

904
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 3: it rolls off the tongue. It is way too easy.

905
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,720
Speaker 3: You just gotta go with that. Man. We need a graphic.

906
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 3: You guys are good at graphics over there.

907
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: We're very good at graphic.

908
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 2: Unbelievable. Portal Pete.

909
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 3: Tell the suits the solid verbal recommends and is offering

910
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 3: to them. Portal Pete. As you're branding, and let's see

911
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 3: what happens.

912
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll bring that up.

913
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 2: Appreciate it.

914
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: Appreciate you, guys.

915
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 3: Pete Nakos, thank you again for your time. We appreciate

916
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 3: all your time, especially now made the busy season. Keep

917
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 3: doing what you do, keep doing the good work, and

918
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 3: we'll bring it back soon.

919
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: All right, appreciate it, guys, have a good one.

920
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 3: All right, Dan again, Pete Nacos. You know from on three.

921
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 3: I'm surprised Pete was able to give us so much

922
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 3: time in the middle of the transfer Portal season. And

923
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 3: like I said at the top, I take full responsibility

924
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 3: for probably inviting him on and during his busiest moments

925
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 3: of the calendar year. But great to get his perspective.

926
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 3: You know, we've talked about Pete a thousand times on

927
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,720
Speaker 3: this show. I hope that he will embrace the portal.

928
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 3: Pete Moniker.

929
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 2: Sure, I'm going to keep work shopping, but I'm good

930
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 2: with that.

931
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 3: I think at least as a starting point. As a

932
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 3: starting point, I think I think you can build up

933
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 3: from there. But we got to he needs some sort

934
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 3: of hard branding because he does great work. And I

935
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:07,800
Speaker 3: feel like every time I fire up one of my

936
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 3: social feeds, he's on there talking about somebody else entering

937
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 3: the portal.

938
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 2: It's fascinating this time of year. I mean, this is

939
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 2: all new, this is all new. We've had a spring

940
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 2: portal before, but they're every year year over year. It

941
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 2: does feel like there is something new. This year, it

942
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 2: was the Nico thing and the idea that there were

943
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 2: six to ten high profile quarterbacks who were either close

944
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 2: or contemplating, you know, portal stuff. It's just we're heading

945
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 2: in a very specific direction in this sport, and it's

946
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 2: just more of what we are seeing already, and it's

947
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 2: going to be more dramatic until I guess there's some

948
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:48,439
Speaker 2: sort of guideline and central organization and players are made

949
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 2: into employees and you know, everything is sort of made

950
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 2: official and on the level. Not that everything will be

951
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 2: on the level. There's always going to be tampering on

952
00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 2: some level. But to have actual like business stipulation in

953
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 2: place for how this all operates, I think it'll help

954
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 2: the sport. I mean they're gonna have to They're gonna

955
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 2: have can't change it every year. You can't change every year,

956
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 2: can't change it every year or two.

957
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 3: They're gonna have to put some like actual guardrails up

958
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 3: around this.

959
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 2: But who, I don't know. You got to find the

960
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 2: who before the what.

961
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 3: I get it, and I don't know who the who is? Right,

962
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:27,240
Speaker 3: They've got to do something at some point to put

963
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 3: guardrails up around this thing, if only to make it

964
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,919
Speaker 3: more sustainable, because the path that it's on right now

965
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 3: is not that it is not that it's harder than

966
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,439
Speaker 3: ever to build a roster. And this is coming from

967
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 3: somebody and a show just in general. It's very pro player.

968
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 3: Sure that is long believed that these guys should be

969
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 3: earning off of their name, but you can be multiple

970
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 3: things at the same time. I couldn't agree more. I

971
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 3: just you also need to build a roster. You also

972
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 3: need to make sure that you know the sport can

973
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 3: continue in a in a more sustainable way so that

974
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 3: it's not constantly eating itself every year. And it just

975
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 3: feels like we're trapped in this psycho So.

976
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 2: I don't know.

977
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 3: I mean, Peter will be on I'm sure the bleeding

978
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 3: edge of reporting with respect to where the sport goes next,

979
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 3: to start where some guys go next, but then beyond

980
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 3: that where the portal goes as it has more of

981
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 3: a chance to mature. But a very very interesting time

982
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 3: to be doing what he's doing right now. We would

983
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 3: encourage everybody go check him out over and on three.

984
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 2: You also can't by the way, you can't exhaust fans

985
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 2: and know that there are that those two words go

986
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 2: together in a different context. You can't exhaust people who

987
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 2: want to love you. You can't exhaust a USC fan

988
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 2: who wants to love USC, or a Texas A and

989
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 2: M fan who wants to love Texas A and M,

990
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 2: or an Ohio Bobcat fan who wants to love Ohio.

991
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,720
Speaker 2: You can't take everybody for granted all of the time

992
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 2: with the way that you not run this sport. But

993
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 2: the way all of these conferences seem to operate, exhausting

994
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 2: fans seems to be the worst possible long term strategy.

995
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 2: And that's what's in place right now. NonStop.

996
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 3: Exhaust what I've been thinking a lot about, and you

997
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 3: and I have talked about this too, maybe not on

998
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 3: the show. You ever meet somebody who you just say, yeah,

999
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 3: they're a lot, of.

1000
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:12,280
Speaker 2: Course, I'm sure people say that about me. College football

1001
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 2: is a lot right now. It's a lot.

1002
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 3: It's just a lot. Not good, not bad, just just

1003
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 3: a lot.

1004
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 2: It's just a lot.

1005
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 3: It requires an emotional investment to stick with it. And

1006
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 3: we are I mean we love it. We still love it.

1007
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:28,240
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to turn people away.

1008
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 2: But when you see the stories of people being disenchanted

1009
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 2: by the state of their team, the state of the sport,

1010
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 2: the state of their conference, the state of the postseason.

1011
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 3: When we see the emails that come through to us Dan,

1012
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 3: it's not as reading other people. People are exhausted. People

1013
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 3: are exhausted by where a lot of the sport has gone. Now,

1014
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 3: I have still found a men's joy in trying to

1015
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 3: cover the transfer portal and stay on top of it.

1016
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 3: I tend to agree with Pete. Maybe it's because you

1017
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 3: and I are both in the business here. I do

1018
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 3: think it has made things more in on a level

1019
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 3: of that we did not anticipate years ago. This is

1020
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 3: all new. Maybe that's why there's a novelty to it.

1021
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 3: Perhaps that's why I'm I'm finding it interesting. Also, full disclosure,

1022
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:13,959
Speaker 3: my teams are Notre Dame in Penn State who haven't

1023
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,919
Speaker 3: exactly been ravaged via the portal. If I were, I'll

1024
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 3: use the pit example again. Maybe I would feel differently. Yeah,

1025
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 3: but I tend to find it all interesting. Whereas I

1026
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 3: clearly understand some of the emails we've gotten from folks

1027
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 3: who are like, this is way too I can't it's

1028
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 3: diminished my love. Hint the game, so I get all

1029
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 3: sides of it. I am very very curious though, to

1030
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,280
Speaker 3: see where this thing is at in five years same

1031
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 3: Why don't we leave it there again? Big thanks to

1032
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 3: our guest of honor today, Pete Nacos. Go check him

1033
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 3: out at on three throw them the follow he does

1034
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 3: excellent work. Hopefully he is sleeping well or at least

1035
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 3: to the best of his ability right now with the

1036
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 3: portal being open. We will be back a little later

1037
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 3: on This week we'll continue the college football conversation here

1038
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 3: on the Solid Verbal Hit Follow Hit subscribes that you

1039
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 3: don't miss our episodes or that guy over there, Dan

1040
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 3: Rubinstein for myself, Tie Hilton Brand, thank you again for downloading,

1041
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 3: for listening, for supporting and talking suit Stay solid peace,

1042
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 3: m