1 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Jacks Drive Time with Ashlyn Sull of Sounds, 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: John Oshans and Brian Sexton. Jangs Drive jan starts right now. 3 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: It's exciting the bringing different personalities and different experiences together 4 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 1: to build the best possible offense. It's not gonna be 5 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,799 Speaker 1: We didn't take the Dougs Eagles Playbuck and roll it 6 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: out on the table and say this is what we do. 7 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: We said, you know, here's kind of the experiences. What 8 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: do you guys do? Well, what do you think? What Mike, 9 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 1: what did you experise from your career coaching? X y Z, Jim, Bob, 10 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: Phil all these guys were kind of combining everybody together 11 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: to build the best offense. But I think that can 12 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: only work if everybody kind of puts their ego aside 13 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: and is truly in it to do what is best 14 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: for the Jacksonville Jaguars at the time. That is Press Taylor, 15 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: Jaguars offensive coordinator and Welcome into Jags Drive Time. J P. 16 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: Shadrick in for Ashlyn Sullivan, Brian Sexton, John O's are 17 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: along side. I'm usually up, you know, by noons, so 18 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: this is kind of early. Hello, what's going on? Oh, 19 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: how are you doing? Man? Good. I'm a good good idea, 20 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: that's what we do. Good. Good to see it, great, 21 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: great to be seen, Yes, very much so. Yeah, the 22 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: whiskers that give it away. Yeah, it's been it's been 23 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: one of those mornings so far. Hey, let's let's get 24 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: right into it to the big things today. We've got 25 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: a lot to get to. We just heard from Press Taylor, 26 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: but there's more on the Jaguars offensive coordinator. He's been 27 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: around for a little bit. He's just turned thirty four 28 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: years old. He's been around head coach Doug Peterson for 29 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: a while. He's excited, of course to work with Trevor 30 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: Lawrence and he has seen his communications skill already. Very 31 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: excited about the tender work with Trevor. All of us 32 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: are you know? That was kind of the one thing 33 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: that when you mentioned there's an opportunity to hear with 34 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: the Jaguars. Everybody talks about Trevor Lawrence, the character he has, 35 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: you know, I was whether it's fortunate. I'm fortunately I 36 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: was on the opposite sideline in the the last game of 37 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: the year with a chance to get to the playoffs, 38 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: and Trevor comes out, he's like and the very first 39 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: half nine of eleven on third down would kind of 40 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: let us up and kept us out of the playoffs. 41 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: So I definitely remember that at the time had a 42 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: bad taste in my mouth. But now on this side 43 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: of him like that, that was very encouraging, very exciting 44 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 1: to see. Let's go to defense now, defensive coordinator Mike 45 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 1: Caldwell getting his first opportunity to call the shots in 46 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: the NFL on defense. It's a good linebacking crew to 47 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: work with, but most notably one wearing number forty four. 48 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,839 Speaker 1: I'm excited. I spoke with him yesterday and the thing, 49 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,839 Speaker 1: it was on the phone, so just I could see 50 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: it through the phone. That sounds kind of funny. I 51 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: could see it through the phone that he's eager getting 52 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: ready to go. He used to be like coaching. I 53 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: come over and I was like, you know, I'm doing 54 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: a little bit today. You know, take the time for 55 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: going to swing by tomorrow and final. But he was 56 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: ready to go, and you can see the passing in 57 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: the voice. And one thing he said like, I want 58 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: to win, and that's what we're about here. I know, 59 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: Doug said it. I'm about it. We're trying to get 60 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: guys in the best of this and so we can 61 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: go out there and win games. You can see through 62 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: the photo if you FaceTime, that's for sure. We're here 63 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: from Doug Peterson. Now, the personality of the head coach 64 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: starting to show through it a few different interviews. Settings, Well, 65 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,959 Speaker 1: he has an experienced staff, guys who have coached in 66 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: the NFL before, and it is not their first rodeo. 67 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: I think it's the it's got to be the end all, 68 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: be all type thing that they have NFL experience. However, 69 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: you know, I'm coming into an opportunity as as as 70 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: a you know, a new head coach again, even though 71 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: I've been a head coach and and and yet, you know, 72 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: I want to make sure that there are guys that, 73 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: um have great experience, great teaching, great knowledge, and not 74 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: only of the game of football, but what we're going 75 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: to teach, you know, offensively with with schematics, and UM, 76 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: I I looked into the college, you know world too 77 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: to bring guys up. I've had guys in Philadelphia where 78 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: they came from college. So, UM, he always wanted to 79 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: hire the best guys and and UM, you know, some 80 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: of these guys have actual NFL experience playing, and I 81 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: think that's important as well. You're having our big things today. 82 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: Let's start with the quarterback conversation. Press Taylor one of 83 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: a few different cooks in the kitchen, if you will, 84 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: on offense. That's a lot of voices. How do they 85 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: narrow this down? Well, you know, so you got Mike McCoy, 86 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: who I think is about sixty, who was with Peyton 87 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,359 Speaker 1: in um Den for Peyton Manning and then was the 88 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: head coach of the Chargers um and Jim Bob who 89 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: comes from Detroit, and so you know, here you got 90 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: a guy who's just turned thirty four. What impressive guy. 91 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: I mean, he had a he didn't just have an 92 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: answer for every question, John, he had a good answer. 93 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: He didn't give you a sentence, He gave you a paragraph, 94 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: which for guys like us is great to work with. 95 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 1: Really sharp guy. And I asked him, how do you 96 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: handle these guys who were twice your age? But it 97 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: was pretty apparent he could handle anything. Guy's really really sharp. 98 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: I was impressed. Well, he's been an NFL coach for 99 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: ten years, so you sort of have to look at 100 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: you know, if he got into when he was thirty 101 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: five and he was forty five, ten years experience, you 102 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: probably look at him a little different a couple of things. 103 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: Think Mike McCoy's fifty, so he's coming after you. Uh uh. 104 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: And at the beginning, Press Taylor said he's decided to 105 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: work about Trevor. He decided to work with Trevor. Well, 106 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: if he's not, he better get excited, because that's the deal. 107 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 1: And uh. It is an intriguing staff on in the 108 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: sense of there are young guys. Press Taylor as a 109 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: young guy and I might call who will talk about 110 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: a minute is also young in terms of experience. But 111 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:41,359 Speaker 1: they back that up with Bob and Jim. Bob No, 112 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: Bob Shutton defensively, I'm sorry, Bob Sutton. And then there's 113 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: three very experienced Jim, Bob Cooter, Doug Peterson, and Mike McCoy, 114 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: who's right and I got that, what's wrong? Sorry, Mike. 115 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: So there are definitely experience mixed with youth. It's an 116 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: interesting mix what Peterson talked about too. Some of the experience. 117 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: Where there's eight years of coaching in the NFL, there's 118 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,799 Speaker 1: ten years of playing, which is Might Caldwell. So uh, 119 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 1: there's balance. It's a young coordinator group, which will be 120 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 1: a storyline, but it's backed up by experienced assistance. I 121 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: just got done, um reading Fearless, Doug Peterson's book, if 122 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: you guys right, that's Scared. Yeah. I actually listened to 123 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: it in audible and it was a really good read. 124 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: And he talks at length about the So you listened 125 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: read it. It's the same thing, right enough, absorbed it. 126 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 1: It's it's about six hours. It's a really interesting listen. 127 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: UM a lot of it because his time in the 128 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: league as a player kind of coincides with our time, 129 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: you know, covering this leader JPU watching it and then 130 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: covering it. Um. Really he had a couple of points 131 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: that he wanted to make he was and he talks 132 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: about this in his book and he's talked about it 133 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: here a little bit. The Fearless, Right, he wants people 134 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: to create energy when they come into the building every day. 135 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: He wants people to eliminate distractions. He wants people to 136 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: fear nothing, and he wants his team to attack everything. 137 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: And that theme kind of goes through the book and 138 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: it's it's just I really enjoyed it. Highly recommended to 139 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: anybody who was watching this morning. If you want an 140 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: inside look at a guy who came up from being 141 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: undrafted and working with Don Shula to winning a championship 142 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: with the Eagles. Tremendous, tremendous story, A good story. Well 143 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: to him. Now, as we know, a lot of coaches 144 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: can author books. We've known this from coaches around here before. 145 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: But when you have the teeth behind it and the 146 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: jewelry at the highest level to go with that and 147 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: the success, I think that's a different field. When I 148 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: told you that, I read it because it was interesting 149 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: to talk about what he was looking for and and 150 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: and press. Taylor's the guy he talks about a lot 151 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: in the book and how he constructed the defense and 152 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: let it go with Jim Johnson when he became the 153 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: head coach there. So if you're looking for some insight 154 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: into ways that he thinks, he says early in the book, 155 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: I think differently. Right, when he breaks up a season, 156 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: doesn't break it up into quarters like a lot of 157 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: teams a lot of coaches do. He breaks it up 158 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: into meaningful segments, and all of them are different. I 159 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: just I found him to be very interesting and entertaining. Yeah, 160 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: and I don't think it's a coincidence that everybody or 161 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: the main guys on staff have had great success at 162 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: some level. Called Will super Bowl champion at the Bucks 163 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: press Taylor was with him in Philadelphia. Uh, these guys 164 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: have won at the highest level, and we'll see how 165 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: I guess that's the bottom line. We can talk about 166 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: the press conference all we want. Jaguars fans have been 167 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: have been through a lot of press conferences. By the way, 168 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: anybody wonder when Mike Coldwell started his press conference, why 169 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: they let Zoe up there? Members so from pr staff 170 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:51,199 Speaker 1: who works for the Dolphins. Now he looks exactly like Zoey. 171 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: We're gonna hear. I can say it was really strong. 172 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: What does doing up there? Do you have anyway? I 173 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: like yes, like excited to see what they come up 174 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: with on defense and then with this offense. Thing is 175 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: gonna look like all the as we said, all the 176 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: voices that are involved. There so a lot to be done, 177 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: not a lot of time to get there. We're back 178 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: in a moment though, we're to look at a few prospects. 179 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 1: The The NFL scouting combine is coming up next week. 180 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: The Jaguars, as you might have heard, have the number 181 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: one overall pick and the twenty twenty two NFL Draft 182 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: will touch on a few key names when we return. 183 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: We're off running It's Jags Drive Time on the Jaguars 184 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: Digital Network. Jack's Drive Time continues on this Tuesday morning, 185 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 1: and the time is now a New York two Jaguars 186 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,719 Speaker 1: season tickets. 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The NFL Scouting Combine is coming up 195 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,439 Speaker 1: next week in Indianapolis, and there was some news earlier 196 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 1: this week over the weekend that some agents were talking 197 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: about a boycott of the event because of the bubble 198 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: for players that the league had announced. Well, the combine 199 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 1: changed the rule as of I believe yesterday, and it 200 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: will be a free and open for all these players. 201 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: They won't be stuck in the bubble in the hotel room. 202 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: So the Jaguars, of course have the number one overall pick. 203 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: And there's all these mock drafts. It's mock draft season, 204 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: John your favorite. You know, it's all over the place. 205 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: Brian and who you're a mock draft. I enjoy it. 206 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 1: You it's not as interesting when you're number one. You 207 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: beat them up all the time. Well, it's interesting to 208 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: see who who has the Jaguars picking a tackle or 209 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: picking an defensive lineman or there's really the only two 210 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: so far. Let's go through a couple of those names, 211 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: you know, there's let's start with Evan Neil, the tackle 212 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,359 Speaker 1: from Alabama that he has been mocked to the Jaguars 213 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 1: quite a bit. Of course, he's played three different positions 214 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: at Alabama and nineteen he was the left guard, in 215 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: he was the right tackle, but this past season he 216 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: was the left tackle and uh six seven, three fifty 217 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: will get you paid. And he can play well. And 218 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: I'm sure you've seen the video, the box jump video, 219 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: I mean Alabama guy. Have you seen that? Um? He 220 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: has it on constant loop? Well have you seen mine? Yeah? Pick, 221 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: you were jumping on right? Um? This guy jumps on 222 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: boxes at six seven, three fifty and and manages to 223 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 1: keep his balance. It's a stunning piece of video. If 224 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,719 Speaker 1: anyone hasn't seen it. UM seen a lot of very 225 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: athletic tackles in this league. That might be the most 226 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: athletic move I've ever seen an offensive tackle make. Yeah. 227 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 1: I mean, there's all sorts of debate on this. We're 228 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: gonna talk about Hutchinson next. People have have sort of 229 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: cooled on Thibodeau from Oregon a little bit. Those are 230 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: sort of the three there. We saw him out with 231 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: the Jags, and I got a question about this all 232 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: the time, and people want to ask do they take 233 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: left tackle? Philosophically, do they take a pass rusher? What's better? 234 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: I think you have to be careful of that. Take 235 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: the guy that you think is gonna be great, and 236 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 1: I if they're all equal, which they never are, you know, 237 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 1: I probably go pass rusher because of the disruption. But 238 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: you can fall into a trap of that of assuming 239 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: that these guys are the same. And if if you 240 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: draft the number one overall pick and it's the right 241 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: position and you can't play, you know what you got? 242 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: You got nothing? So I you know, it's it's so 243 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: hard to project guys, and that's what we have to 244 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: do all this, all this time. But I just think 245 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: that's the thing you got to be careful with when 246 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 1: they make that pick on you know, Oh, they didn't 247 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: pick the position I wanted. They've got to get the 248 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: guy right and in the position later. I like Neil, 249 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: I like his his athleticism. I have no problem with 250 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: the concept of I've left tackle, gonna make sure he's great. 251 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: I am. I'm sure you guys get it too. You know, 252 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: why won't they trade down? Why would they stay there? 253 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: And and I'm not sure if people who don't follow 254 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: this as closely as we do understand you've got to 255 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: have two sides. Someone's gotta want to come up. You 256 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: realize they're Madden. What you do, Brian, you don't play that. 257 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: You hit an I don't play Madden, So I don't know. 258 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: But but catch up. You've got four offensive tackles and 259 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: three defensive ends that are probably going in the top ten. 260 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: So why would somebody give up a king's ransom to 261 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: come to number one when they can stay right where 262 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 1: they're at it number seven, or or somebody at number fifteen, 263 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: can go to seven and it costs them less. There's 264 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,359 Speaker 1: just not that compelling, you know, let's trade up mentality. 265 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: So if you're gonna if you're gonna stay there, and 266 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: in all likelihood they are, you're gonna have a choice 267 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: between one of these guys. Who is any elite looking athlete, 268 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: elite looking player. I say looking because they got to 269 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: come do it at this level. There's been a lot 270 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: of guys that have been outstanding numerically and on college 271 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: tape that haven't translated. And obviously, you know, whatever happens 272 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: with Cam Robinson will come into play here. He was 273 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: on the franchise tag last year just over thirteen million. 274 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: That bumps up. If your franchise the second time, I 275 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: believe the the offensive line like six team seventeen million 276 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: this year's it's a big numbers. So and the deadline 277 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: for that is marks eighth. Well, have a better idea 278 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: of what they're really thinking at tackle. That could obviously 279 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: change what happens in the draft then, and here's what's 280 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: fascinating about that. I have no idea if they're gonna 281 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: franchise came or not. Um, it's certainly a viable option 282 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: if they do it. But even if they don't, you 283 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: really haven't solved the question of if you know a 284 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: lot of years you would say, well, if if they 285 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: don't bring Cam back, they're automatically going to draft Evan Neil. 286 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: But you have Walker Little, who conceivably they just in 287 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: the second round last year. So if you let Cam go, 288 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: they can still have options to the top of the 289 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: draft because if if they go pass Rusher and you say, 290 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: we're gonna play Walker Little in he's our guy. He 291 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: played well the last two games. This is the strangest 292 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: uh thing to analyze the Jacko's offensive line right now, 293 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: because there are more moving parts on this position in 294 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: these few weeks than any position analysis that I've ever 295 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: covered on the stand. And they will there's such a 296 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: new staff and they haven't been able to get their 297 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: hands on the guys that are here yet, so they 298 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: haven't seen that in person yet. Well and Doug and 299 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: and all the coordinators said, it's just too early to 300 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: tell what your scheme is going to be, what your 301 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: line is gonna look like, how you're gonna play defense 302 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: until they have more time to see what they got. 303 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: Let's get to Aidan Hutchinson now from Michigan, the Heisman 304 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: Trophy runner up this past season, the third ever defensive 305 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: player to finish second in Heisman history, the Player of 306 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: the Year, and the Big Ten this past season. Big 307 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: Sack numbers athletic all over the place. The Michigan team 308 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: had a fantastic season. He was a major reason why. 309 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: And you know what, you can never have too many 310 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: good elite defensive lineman Jonathan And the thing you know 311 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: is he Bosa, Bosa Taylor And I'm sorry, Chase Young, 312 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: Is he one of those guys? Um if he is, 313 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: to take him and high five yourself back to Jackson, 314 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: the word is he's not at but but but if 315 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: he is, I mean you saw both to take the 316 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: game over here. I mean he just whether he made 317 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: the tackle or not, he was crashing down the line 318 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: and making Juwan Taylor reach, which just made everything go 319 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: for the Niners. The Jaguars couldn't deal with Bosa. If 320 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: he's that, I mean, yeah, you can't go. That's the 321 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: dilemma at the top this year is there's really not 322 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: a feeling and it could be wrong, but the feeling 323 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: among draftnicks is there's really not When you say is 324 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: he boasts say that quiet. Yeah, Uh, Evan Neil is 325 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: he you know, there's talk that he might move positions? 326 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 1: So is he absolutely elite? Uh? Maybe they are, But 327 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: that's the question. That's the conversation going on among draftnicks 328 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: right now. And I'm sure inside the warrant absolutely Cavon 329 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: Thibodeau another name has been mocked there occasionally to the 330 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 1: Jaguars as well on the defensive line. We've got plenty 331 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: of your head this and that. When we return, we'll 332 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 1: go with this or we'll go with that. That's the 333 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: name of the game, right. Yeah, I'm it's not easy. 334 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: You got this one making sure. I gotta don't, you know, 335 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: I don't want to mess things up on Tuesday morning. 336 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:39,360 Speaker 1: This is Jack's Drive Time on the Jaguars Digital Network. 337 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: This over that, this over that. Welcome back at Jack's 338 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: Drive Time. And as you could tell, it's time for 339 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 1: this or that, Brian, what you got for Well, let's 340 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 1: go right back to the argument. Do you keep Cam 341 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: or do you draft Evan? And I'll start and say 342 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: that I would draft Evan. I think Cam Robinson is 343 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: a much better player than people give him credit for. Um, 344 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: but I think he's probably about as good as he'll 345 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: ever be. And I don't know that he's the athlete 346 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 1: that Evan Neil is. You get um stronger, longer, cheaper, 347 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: younger at a premium position with a guy that's got 348 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: incredible upside. And so I think I would draft Evan 349 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 1: Neil and to take that cap room and apply to 350 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 1: other places. Yeah, and then the counter argument also makes 351 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: sense though. I mean, if true, you've got pieces on 352 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: the offensive line that have served you good. You know, 353 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: I can't call this offensive line last a couple of 354 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 1: years great, but it has been again I use the 355 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: phrase better than people, UH often believe. So there's so 356 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: many needs on the roster that to keep Cam Robinson, 357 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: who is I ain't gonna give up one sack last year. 358 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,239 Speaker 1: Was not a bad player at all. You know, he's 359 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 1: a better player than people think. And you've got pieces, 360 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: you know, conceivably put Walker Little at right tackle, Jowan 361 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: Taylor inside, conceivably they have a a more than workable 362 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: plan if they don't go your route with NFL starters 363 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: who have done the job. So I definitely, but it's 364 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: gonna be one of those two. I would love to 365 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,959 Speaker 1: see them be dominant on the offensive that's what they 366 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:38,360 Speaker 1: haven't been dominant and your path makes sense to get 367 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: to dominant. Let's move along. Um, well, I think Cam 368 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: Robinson is a very good run blocker to you guys, 369 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: that finished that physicality to him in a little bit 370 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: of an edge to him that you know that this 371 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: team could use. I think, uh, and there's you know 372 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: and Nevin Evan Neils moved around. He's versatile if you 373 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,479 Speaker 1: really need him to be. I don't think you're drafting 374 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: one overall to play it guard though. So you know, 375 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: those are some big questions. And like you said, well earlier, 376 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: Walker Little is there too. Is he ready? Is he 377 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: the next step? The GM was here obviously he was 378 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 1: around when they drafted him, but the coaching staff has 379 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: not been. Do they like him enough? Do they want 380 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: to move him up and elevate him? Those are all 381 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: big questions. Yeah. I think that's the wild card there 382 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 1: is Walker Little. You know, what is he is he elite? 383 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: If they believe he's elite, then you probably go different 384 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: directions John, keep us moving here on this or that? Yeah, 385 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 1: And I went with, uh, you know, probably literally for 386 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: early for draft talks. Since we've got the combine beIN 387 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 1: as we've got to combine coming up, we'll go with it. 388 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 1: Go conventional in the draft, which to me or go weird. 389 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 1: Go conventional is either defensive line or offensive line, one 390 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 1: of the two pass rushers or offensive tackle. Go weird 391 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: is safety. Kyle Hamilton's from to day one of the 392 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 1: wide receivers who really I don't think quite merit moving up. 393 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 1: I mean, uh, taking number one, You've got Drake London, Uh, 394 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson, several guys usually I would you know, I 395 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: don't think they'll go weird. But the argument for going 396 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: weird is the one that we were having earlier in 397 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: the show. There's really not a guy at number one 398 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: who people are saying absolutely number one overall generational player. 399 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: They think Kyle Hamilton's might be a safety like that. 400 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,959 Speaker 1: I The intriguing thing to me, j P would be 401 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 1: if this was a year where Jamaar Chase was in 402 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 1: the draft, or a elite number one wide receiver, one 403 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: of your Bama guys, one of the nineteen guys who 404 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 1: have come into the league. Would you know, if Jamison 405 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: Wilman jameson you guy healthy, would it be a year 406 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: where the Jaguars just went you know what we need 407 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,959 Speaker 1: impact there. I don't think they'll go weird because it's 408 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: so hard to predict weirdness. But it is a year 409 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: where as the draft gets closer, Uh, you may hear 410 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,360 Speaker 1: more talk of something like that than you normally would. 411 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 1: I think they go conventional, So I would agree with you, 412 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: although I just got done saying that. In his book, Uh, 413 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: Doug Peterson talks about not wanting to block himself in 414 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,679 Speaker 1: and limit himself. Um, so it probably will be getting 415 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 1: difficult to get him to say, well, it's gonna be 416 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: offensive defensive line coach, because he'll want to keep it open. 417 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: I think the only player worth going weird for is 418 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: the Hamilton's kid, the safety from Notre Dame, because he's 419 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: almost six four and two thirty pounds and runs well 420 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: and is that outlier. I mean he's Ed Reid and 421 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 1: some people have said he's got Ed Reid in a 422 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 1: much bigger body. Well, I mean you couldn't go wrong 423 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 1: with that. Safety scare people, But as you said, I 424 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 1: don't think you've ever been a safety taken in the 425 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,479 Speaker 1: modern Here's the any of the draft. Not number one. 426 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 1: Sean Taylor was four, I think, and it may have 427 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: been one higher. But if do you think that, if 428 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: you think Evan Neil or the pass rushers are good, 429 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: and you think that Kyle Hamilton's Sean Taylor ed Reid 430 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: when it's that elite that position, I don't think he 431 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 1: would do it. It was an elite center, I still 432 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: don't think he would do it. Probably not. But at 433 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: the safety, you know, well, maybe he gets weird, like 434 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: weird because of what he can do in the middle 435 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 1: of the field. I mean, he's more than just a safety, right, 436 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 1: I mean, he's one of those hybrid guys that I mean, 437 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: if he told me, now, could I have ed read 438 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: number one overalls taken? You probably take it. Here's the 439 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 1: other thing about it is there are a bunch of 440 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: good offensive tackles, some that will be available at the 441 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 1: bottom of the first round. And so if there's someone 442 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: who's sliding, you've got twelve picks. You can move back 443 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: up if there's that guy that you like without a doubt. 444 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 1: And then the other thing is there's a bunch of 445 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: receivers that are going to be, you know, in that 446 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: bottom third of the draft. So if somebody's sliding, you 447 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 1: have twelve picks total. You can get it too. In 448 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: the third round. You can vault up into the bottom 449 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 1: of the first round and get one of those guys. 450 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: So it's probably not as far off as you think 451 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 1: that they can talk about Hamilton's let's get weird. I 452 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: go that one. That's a line from a movie. Remember 453 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: which movie? I'm sure a few stripes Murray, Yeah, and 454 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: my this or that kind of goes to the theme 455 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: of actually going conventional old line or d line. Well, 456 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: the question I have here is which one needs or 457 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: will have the most change at the end of this 458 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 1: offseason on it. That's an interesting question because what's this 459 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: defense going to look like? What kind of scheme will 460 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: they really run? Who are the interior players, who are 461 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: you gonna have, who you're adding? Are you keeping? What's 462 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 1: going on there? And then the old line is a 463 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: whole question mark as well. I I go offensive line. Um, 464 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: I happen to just think that Evan Neil is the 465 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: kind of guy because of his versatility and his run 466 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: game and his reach, who creates dominance for you if 467 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: you maneuver the offensive line right. Um, And so I 468 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 1: would say offensive line because that the quarterbacks my number 469 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 1: one priority, making him comfortable in the pocket. Yeah, they're 470 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:59,360 Speaker 1: both tricky spots because for the last couple of years, 471 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: I've written abou the offensive line, I've written off and 472 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: I it's good, but it needs to be great. You 473 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: have that same feeling after last year about the defensive line. 474 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: Good moments, you like Smoot, you like Josh Allen, you 475 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: like some things these guys did, but was it great? 476 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: And how do you get great in the NFL? Well, 477 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: usually the safest way to do that is with the 478 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: top ten pick I mean, that's what it's supposed to be. 479 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: So which group do they? You know? I think there 480 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: is in a sense, they're in a good spot because 481 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: if you go into next season with smooth starting and 482 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 1: with Josh Allen and with those guys, you know what 483 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 1: those guys can give you, and and they've been services 484 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: and not Josh have been more than services, but they've 485 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: been okay. So they're in a good spot. They're not desperate. 486 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: But which spot do they want to be great at? 487 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 1: You would be great both? Which st is more important 488 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,199 Speaker 1: than to be great at? I can sit here one 489 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 1: day and talk about defensive line, I can sit here 490 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: the next day and talk about it because I would 491 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 1: love to see them more disruptive on the quarterback. You 492 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 1: just see the grades being equal. You know, oh, one 493 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: guy just slightly ahead of the other. I mean it's 494 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 1: and that's their subjectivity, right looking and saying, well, offensive 495 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: line we place at a higher value. I mean, they're 496 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: going to come in right next to each other. Grade Wise, 497 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: you can't go wrong with either one of these guys 498 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: if they are the players that we kind of believe 499 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 1: they are. But you can create a dominant offensive or 500 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: defensive line. What do they think is more important? And 501 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: the X factor there is often to me, it feels 502 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: harder to circle back at the top of the second 503 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: and get great pass rush than it is to get okay, 504 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 1: offensive tackle. And yeah, I don't know that to be true. 505 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,880 Speaker 1: You know, PFF might look at that and said it said, 506 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 1: that's wrong. That's what it feels like. It's a harder 507 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: to get elite pass rusher circling back because those guys 508 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 1: are gone on the top fifteen, and then all of 509 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: a sudden you can get Cam Robinson was the top 510 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: of the second round. Well, that's true. We don't forget though, 511 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: the Tony Brackens was to be a top five pick 512 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 1: and they got him at the top of the second round, 513 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: and there are plenty of guys. Justin Houston was a 514 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 1: third round pick. Um uh. The guy from kans City, Allen, 515 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: Jared Allen was a sixth round pick and he was 516 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,360 Speaker 1: a long snapper. So I mean you can it's how 517 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: good of a scouting staff do you have? Right put 518 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: the right grades on people and then pick that's this 519 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: or that, And we'll come back in a moment with 520 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: some final thoughts. It's Jags Drive Time on the Jaguars 521 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: Digital Network. Final Moments of Jack's Drive Time. J P. 522 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: Shadrick in for Ashley Sullivan, Brian Sexton, John Osier coming 523 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 1: up this week. Huddle up. We're gonna get with Bucky 524 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: at some point. He's had a busy couple of weeks. 525 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: We've got JAG's Happy Hour on Thursday afternoon. We're still on, 526 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: you know, waiting for whatever happens with the executive vice 527 00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: president role. That's been relatively quiet lately. The Combines next week, 528 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 1: of course, and then as we've mentioned, the the deadline 529 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: for franchise tagging a player is March eighth. That's two 530 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 1: weeks from today, so I think the window opens today 531 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 1: and but usually on that the deadline in the last 532 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: two or three days is when you have news. So 533 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 1: it's open, but I expected to sit open for a 534 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 1: while and then we'll say at the end of the 535 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: word that period what happens with Perhaps Cam Robinson's the 536 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: most likely to be discussed there. Maybe DJ Chark is 537 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: about nineteen million, I think right. So what the other 538 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: thing they could be doing in this two week windows 539 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: negotiating and doing a long term deal and avoiding the franchise. 540 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: That's an option too. They've got the cap room. If 541 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: they like these guys and want to keep them, they 542 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: can do a more cap friendly deal than the franchise. 543 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: And that's why the franchise tag is there to incentivize 544 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: teams to get deals done. Well, guys, thanks a lot. 545 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: It's nice to the step and this is what the 546 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: morning is like. Absolutely, it's nice to see up in 547 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: bright eyed early in the morning, right eye, bushy tailed. 548 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: What a day it's been. Thank you for joining us today. 549 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: Of course our coverage throughout the week on Jaguars dot com. 550 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: So we'll get ready for the NFL Scouting combine next 551 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: week for Blake Stewart, Joe Fortunato, Brian Sexton and John Oser. 552 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: I'm J. P. Shadrick. We'll catch you next time. It's 553 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,959 Speaker 1: Jacks Drive Time on the Jaguars Digital Network.