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Speaker 1: Right now, Alex, the question is complicated if you're ignoring

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Speaker 2: Sox season is over. Do you think Craig Breslow is

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Speaker 2: fact that the kid has come up in such clutch situations,

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Speaker 2: really game changing situations, and he is an everyday impact player,

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Speaker 2: while Paul Skeen's out of the four proves to be

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Speaker 2: most dominant. Statistically, he can only win a game or

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Speaker 2: help win a game every fifth day. So if you

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Speaker 2: were voting in the National League Rookie of the Year category,

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Speaker 2: who's your pick?

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Speaker 1: I would lean toward Meryl right now? And the season

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Speaker 1: is it over for all we know Skeans can do

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Speaker 1: some remarkable things. Cherio can, Meryl can do more, who knows,

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Speaker 1: But right now, for the reasons you stated, Alana, the

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Speaker 1: clutch performance, those home runs to go ahead or tie

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Speaker 1: in the late innings, it's an incredible number for a

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Speaker 1: player twenty one years old. That to me, along with

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Speaker 1: what he has given that team all season, he's going

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Speaker 1: to be a top ten MVP player as well. I

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Speaker 1: believe that to me distinguishes him. I think the real

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Speaker 1: question for me would be Skiing or Cheerio for number two,

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Speaker 1: and that again is apples and oranges. It's so hard

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Speaker 1: to compare. Probably would lean towards schemes right now, but

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Speaker 1: coin Toss.

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Speaker 2: I had this conversation the other day with some folks

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Speaker 2: over on True TV on our Race to the Pennant Show,

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Speaker 2: and I was talking to Jimmy Rollins and Curtis Granderson

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Speaker 2: and Charles Barkley of all people, which was odd, But

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Speaker 2: I had a conversation about could a cy Young or

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Speaker 2: a pitcher rather be an MVP Award candidate, and of

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Speaker 2: course position players like Jimmy Rawlins and Curtis Granderson, especially

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Speaker 2: Jay Rowl was saying absolutely not. They have the cy

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Speaker 2: Young Awards, so they should not be allowed to be

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Speaker 2: an MVP because they can really only impact a game

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Speaker 2: every fifth day. What's your opinion on that.

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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, they are eligible for the award.

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Speaker 1: It says in the instructions to voters pitchers are eligible.

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Speaker 1: Pitchers have won this award. I have not always been

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Speaker 1: in favor of those particular individual cases. To me, if

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Speaker 1: you're a pitcher to win that award, you really have

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Speaker 1: to be out there statistically dominant, and it has to

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Speaker 1: be a year where there's no hitter really doing what

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Speaker 1: you would expect a normal MVP to do. It is

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Speaker 1: an unusual circumstance when I believe a pitcher should win

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Speaker 1: that award, but they are eligible, they do win. In

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Speaker 1: some ways, relievers are more valid as MVP candidates because

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Speaker 1: they perform more often. But at the same time, I'm

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Speaker 1: with Jimmy for the most part, I'd rather see a

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Speaker 1: position player win the award.

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Speaker 2: I agree with you as well, before I let you go,

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Speaker 2: or before we move on to a dude in Dork

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Speaker 2: fifty to fifty or a very hard defensive up the

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Speaker 2: middle position player for NL MVP.

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Speaker 1: I'm still with fifty to fifty. But Lindor is making

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Speaker 1: an interesting case for himself. He is leading the Mets

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Speaker 1: to a potential playoff berth if he stays hot and

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Speaker 1: they get in. This becomes a more interesting conversation because

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Speaker 1: no primary DH has ever won the award. Now, no

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Speaker 1: primary DH has ever run like sho Hey Otani if

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Speaker 1: he gets to fifty homers and fifty stolen bases, even

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Speaker 1: in the era when stolen bases are easier to come by.

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Speaker 1: To me, it's pretty hard to deny history. And you

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Speaker 1: might say, well, Lindors carried the Mets. Hey, Lookie Bets

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Speaker 1: was out a long time. Otani moved to the Lidolph spot.

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Speaker 1: He's done a lot for the Dodgers in that regard. No,

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Speaker 1: he has not played defense this season, not his form

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Speaker 1: of defense, which is pitching. But at the same time

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Speaker 1: he is putting himself out there offensively. And I know

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Speaker 1: the two different or the most commonly used wins above

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Speaker 1: replacement metrics, Baseball Reference and Fangrafts disagree on who is ahead.

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Speaker 1: I don't worry about that because in this particular case,

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Speaker 1: it's so unique and so distinct. It's a really interesting conversation.

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Speaker 1: I'll say that. And it's not over yet. Let's wait

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Speaker 1: to see how the season plays out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to continue to have this conversation every

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Speaker 2: single day until it's actually named, and of course we'll

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Speaker 2: talk about it at length on Dodgers Territory today, myself

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Speaker 2: Time now for Dude and Dork of the Week. This

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Speaker 2: is an opportunity for Ken and I to discuss somebody

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Speaker 2: that we really like to highlight in a positive way

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Speaker 2: and somebody or something organization that could do things a

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Speaker 2: little bit more differently. So Ken, of course, as always,

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Speaker 2: we start with you. Who's your dude.

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Speaker 1: My Dude of the week is, believe it or not,

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Speaker 1: the Oakland A's and let me be specifically, it's the

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Speaker 1: Oakland A's. Everyone below John Fisher in the k that

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Speaker 1: makes more and maybe even Dave cavill too, Everyone below

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Speaker 1: the ownership level, the general manager of the manager, and

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Speaker 1: especially the players twenty five and eighteen since July fourteenth.

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Speaker 1: That's the seventh best record in the majors. I know

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Speaker 1: they gave it up last night one so good, but

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Speaker 1: that's impressive. And Lawrence Butler, folks, you might want to

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Speaker 1: check out what this guy's accomplishing extra base hits in

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Speaker 1: fourteen excuse me, fourteen straight games. That is a franchise record.

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Speaker 1: The Oakland A's and Lawrence Butler dudes of the week.

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Speaker 2: All right, My top FORER former this week is Kyle Schwarber.

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Speaker 2: Very much a different type of player than Lawrence Butler is,

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Speaker 2: but an exciting one all the same. The guy just

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Speaker 2: rakes can and I understand that the knock on Schwarber

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Speaker 2: is that sometimes he's hidden for average around that Mendoza line.

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Speaker 2: But I tell you what, he's in the mid twos

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Speaker 2: right now as far as batting average is concerned. He

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Speaker 2: just had his second three run home run game of

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Speaker 2: the season. And this was in a game against the

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Speaker 2: Toronto Blue Jays in which the Blue Jays can put

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Speaker 2: up a sixth spot in the first inning, so Philadelphia

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Speaker 2: was trailing early on. It was six to one in

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Speaker 2: the first via a Kyle Schwarber solo shot and then

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Speaker 2: he tags on two more home runs. The Phillies end

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Speaker 2: up winning that game ten to nine. Kyle Schwarber is

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Speaker 2: so good for any club. I just love his energy.

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Speaker 2: I love who he is, I love what he brings

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Speaker 2: to the table. He is my dude of the week. Okay,

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Speaker 2: who is your dork of the week?

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Speaker 1: Ken? All right, this is a preventive act because I

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Speaker 1: know Aj Persenski's going to be upset with I'm going

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Speaker 1: to name myself dork of the week so AJ doesn't

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Speaker 1: have to. And the reason I'm naming myself is I

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Speaker 1: was originally expected or scheduled to work with Aj this

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Speaker 1: weekend in Boston, White Sox at Red Sox. He told

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Speaker 1: me all along, you're not going to be on that game.

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Speaker 1: That game's beneath you, he was joking with me, etc. Well,

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Speaker 1: I walk into the production truck after our broadcast last

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Speaker 1: Saturday in Philly and everybody's asking me, why are you

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Speaker 1: doing that game? Why would you want to do a

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Speaker 1: White Sox game? And the Red Sox were fading, so

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Speaker 1: I said, you know what, you guys are right. Our

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Speaker 1: other game is Minnesota at Kansas City two projected playoff teams.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to Kansas City, AJ, I apologize, and I

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Speaker 1: named myself dork of the week.

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Speaker 2: What is it like to be able to just kind

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Speaker 2: of set your own schedule and pick the games? You're

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Speaker 2: like your own flex schedule? What is that like?

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Speaker 1: I don't do it that often, and usually I work

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Speaker 1: with my crew, but in this particular circumstance, the White

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Speaker 1: Sox have forced my hands.

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Speaker 2: This is how it went, though. He's like, wait, AJ Pierzinski, Nope,

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Speaker 2: going to Kansas City, Minnesota. All right, my dude, or

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Speaker 2: excuse me, been my dork of the week happens to

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Speaker 2: be Craig Counsel. And the only reason I say that

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Speaker 2: is for the same reason you and I talked about

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Speaker 2: when we talked about combined no hitters show to Imanaga.

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Speaker 2: I understand he had ninety five pitches, but my goodness,

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Speaker 2: he's throwing a no hitter through seven innings. It wasn't

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Speaker 2: like he was one hundred and fifteen pitches. Let him

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Speaker 2: see what he can do. Because solo no hitters, although

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Speaker 2: not as rare as perfect games, they're still pretty special

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Speaker 2: in the history of our sport. This guy is dynamic

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Speaker 2: minus the two clunkers that he had as far as

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Speaker 2: outings are concerned, I would have liked to have seen

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Speaker 2: him lose it himself. But again, congratulations to the Cubs

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Speaker 2: on that combined no hitter, But Craig Council just for

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Speaker 2: that reason taking out show to Amanaga not a huge

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Speaker 2: dork of the week, but I really didn't have one

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Speaker 2: this week, so Craig Counsel happens to be my victim. Ken,

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Speaker 2: All right, what are you most excited about when it

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Speaker 2: comes to talking to Joey Vado on the yet third

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Speaker 2: episode a Fair Territory this week?

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Speaker 1: I would say just reviewing his career and getting his

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Speaker 1: insights on his performance over the years, the kind of

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Speaker 1: hitter he was, and his Hall of Fame chances.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Joey Vado again, two nation treasure. Such a good personality,

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Speaker 2: so good for the game. It made me sad when

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Speaker 2: he said he took an uber and the uber driver

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Speaker 2: That like crushed me. So looking forward to that with

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Speaker 1: Ken. Thanks Lana,