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Speaker 2: Look at us now, tip to tip.

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Speaker 1: This is our life, this is our passion, that's the

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Speaker 2: I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean like, well, it's Friday, right, It's

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Speaker 2: time to get all kinds of artsy in this batch.

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Speaker 2: It is June thirtieth, Hot Town Summer in the City,

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Speaker 2: and you stumbled into the award winning multi time best

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Speaker 2: damn combat sports show they ever friggin created, right, they

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Speaker 2: call it Morning Combat the BBC with the BDE the

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Speaker 2: beij bastard himself, Brian Campbell coming at you in the

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Speaker 2: host chair this Friday. There you go, double a alpha.

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Speaker 2: My co host though a fantastic fight analyst, not pedantic

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Speaker 2: at all. And we're six minutes late to start the

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Speaker 2: show because this guy was tearing up some porcelain. It's

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Speaker 2: Luke Thomas. Yes, Luke, yeah right.

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Speaker 1: I wish I could say you're wrong and this was

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Speaker 1: an unfair attack, but it's a fair attack after I

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Speaker 1: had a shit attack, So welcome to Welcome to hell BC.

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Speaker 2: You notice I didn't panic and text you and get

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Speaker 2: all kinds of you know, I'm not gonna do which

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Speaker 2: you think I'm gonna do, which is you know, you know, right,

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Speaker 2: turn into a scientologist and ruined Katie Hall. No, sorry,

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Speaker 2: that was Tom c all right, Luke, we got a

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Speaker 2: great I would I would say we've got a great

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Speaker 2: show plan for them. Your thoughts on that com uh.

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Speaker 1: You know what? You save? The card tomorrow was not bad. Now.

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Speaker 1: I don't love the main events, which usually is like

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Speaker 1: the thing that people judge it when we are the

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Speaker 1: other on. Not a horrible fight, but just not a

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Speaker 1: main event fight. But the card itself, dude, not so bad,

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Speaker 1: really not so bad.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's it's one of the most despicable people in

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Speaker 2: combat sports against a guy named Abus. So you know

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Speaker 2: you fired up, Luke, you fired that up. Yeah, we've

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Speaker 2: to as well. Okay, bet right around the corner, maybe

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Speaker 2: even a dead wrong or one to close the show

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Speaker 2: Com for thirty days pound the sand on the back end.

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Speaker 1: Round the sand on the back end.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you know that's what you always say. At the

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Speaker 2: end of the thirty days. You don't like it, go

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Speaker 2: fuck yourself a right, right, It's all like, look up,

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Speaker 2: maybe where.

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Speaker 1: Is it you think I got pound sand from?

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Speaker 2: Where did you get it from?

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Speaker 1: I had never heard that until nineteen ninety nine. In

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Speaker 1: the summer of nineteen ninety nine, I went to twenty

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Speaker 1: nine Poems, California for MS training and one guy told

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Speaker 1: me to go fucking pound sand and I was like,

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what the fuck that means.

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Speaker 2: Then, yeah, I mean we used to say get bent

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Speaker 2: where I come from, Luke, But I don't even.

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Speaker 1: Know if that's so similar, similar, similar?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, indeed, Luke. Today, Friday, June thirty of twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty three is a big day for me as a dad,

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Speaker 2: as a music connoisseur. Tonight, Luke Thomas Okay, New Haven, Connecticut,

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Speaker 2: Westville Music Bowl. It's my morning jacket. The greatest band

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Speaker 2: best friend of the world, Jeff Bogus, and we saw

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Speaker 2: the greatest concert we've ever seen before. They're back. I'm

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Speaker 2: concert tonight. WHOA, that is right, cool man, that is cool. Big,

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Speaker 2: it's a big night. It's a big night.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not I'm honestly not trying to do a bit,

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Speaker 1: and no one cares. What kind of music I like.

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Speaker 1: I understand could what's their biggest hit? My morning jacket.

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Speaker 2: It's probably one big holiday from two thousand and three.

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Speaker 2: You wouldn't you know. You wouldn't know it, Luke. But

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Speaker 2: They do, you know, indie rock, but more like psychedelic folk,

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Speaker 2: and they'll rock it out to Luke. I know you

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Speaker 2: don't care, but I do. I'm fired up. I know

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Speaker 1: Question about this event. How is it you're going to

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Speaker 2: That's a disrespectful statement. This will be about fatherhood and sobriety,

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Speaker 2: thank you, or maybe I'll tip a cold one, you

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Speaker 2: know one, Luke. But that's about it. It's about rocking

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Speaker 2: to the bass player on the DMS on Instagram, trying

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Speaker 2: to get my favorite song played. Luke, I'll go to

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Speaker 1: Thought I got a blue check mark, closed mouth, don't

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Speaker 2: Indeed, indeed, also real quick, Luke, I know you don't

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Speaker 2: care about this. When we went to the UK show,

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Speaker 2: there were some donks that stood in our handshake line

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Speaker 2: afterwards and gave me Vinyl, gave me records. Right, We've

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Speaker 2: had it before at Vegas show where they gave me

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Speaker 2: some really cool metal CDs. Whoever, whichever donk gave me

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Speaker 2: this King Crimson Red record, reach out to me on

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Speaker 2: the old Instagram. All right, the thing's change in my life. Okay,

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Speaker 2: it's progressive metal, Luke, It's hit me right, in the

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Speaker 2: Kida by Radiohead on vinyl. So I've begun the absorption.

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Speaker 2: I've begun the process.

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Speaker 1: And BC, I know, we got to get the show started,

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Speaker 1: nothing if not an outrageous hypocrite, I will say this.

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Speaker 2: It hasn't aired yet, It'll be Monday's Morning Combat episode.

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Speaker 2: Nice mail bag for you.

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Speaker 1: Here's what I wanted to tell you. I thought more

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Speaker 2: Look, we have a lot of MK Donks who are

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Speaker 2: the twenty nineteen Fear Inoculum, a tool album because of

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Speaker 1: Doing the last thing I'll say, the last thing I'll

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Speaker 1: say on this day. I saw them at the Eagle

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Speaker 1: by Jay Rock and they you never see the band.

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Speaker 2: Luke. Not too different from you on very important business

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Speaker 2: corporate zoom calls in which you have your camera off

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Speaker 2: and everybody else is like, what is wrong with this man?

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Speaker 2: You know you're not ready to.

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Speaker 1: Have a fucking debate about this. This idea that every

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Speaker 2: Well, if it's our if it's a weekly meeting and

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Speaker 2: it just does dick donks, I don't care. But look,

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Speaker 2: You gotta show, Luke what's wrong with you?

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Speaker 1: You you want me to show? Pay me extra, pay

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Speaker 2: doing very well. All right, let's kick off this fantastic show.

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Speaker 2: I got my ag one. I don't even know if

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Speaker 2: feel good, Luke, we start off off the top. Wednesday

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Speaker 2: was our midyear review. We didn't get into the weekend,

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Speaker 2: so let's do that right now. The UFC is back

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Speaker 2: where well in the Apex you.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, Tachi Palace, still waiting on that one. UFC Vegas

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Speaker 2: seventy six goes down this weekend middleweight main event in

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Speaker 2: Las Vegas, Sean Strickland against the rising somewhat newcomer to

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Speaker 2: the UFC. Abus Mago medoff current odds from Caesar's at

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Speaker 2: the moment minus one fifty five Sean Strickland plus one

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Speaker 2: thirty five. Mago medoff, Luke to remind people that don't

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Speaker 2: know about a Booths, because this is if you don't

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Speaker 2: know him, this looks like what are we doing here?

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Speaker 2: Type of main event? But dude big time finishing his

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Speaker 2: UFC debut against Dustin Stulfus last September, he hasn't been active.

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Speaker 2: video from twenty eighteen when Malgametov was in the PFL

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Speaker 2: Middleweight Championship out and was knocked out with one punch

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Speaker 2: by Lewis Taylor in thirty three seconds he has turned

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Speaker 2: Luke tell us about Abu Smaga met Off, what are

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's an interesting guy, right, so natively out of Dagistan,

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Speaker 1: but it's a German national at this point, and I

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Speaker 1: for example, out of Chechnia Hamsachi m I have called

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Speaker 1: Sweden home. It's something akin to that.

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Speaker 1: And you're right, like he doesn't have a great UFC

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Speaker 1: resume in part because he can't get fights going beyond

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Speaker 1: the one he had against Dennis Stultzus back in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two, which was nice. In fact, it was such

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Speaker 1: a nice win that when he front kicked him in

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Speaker 2: That's the only Fan special. That's a finishing move. Look,

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Speaker 2: it's called the only Fan It's fantastic.

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Speaker 1: It's called the Vitor belfour. Ever seen that video with

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Strickland. Luke had that two fight win streak at

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's exactly it, right, Like the thing is

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Speaker 1: I respect his coach greatly, which is why I kind

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Speaker 1: I find his act repugnant in basically every way.

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Speaker 2: When he gets you there for sure. And then Mikey

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Speaker 2: They talked trash at that press conference that is he

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Speaker 1: Of course the last international fight week.

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Speaker 2: I missed well and said that h Strickland had recently

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Speaker 2: up with CBS Sports' Shaquille Missouri, friend of the show,

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Speaker 2: The Persian Prince Vancouver's own and talked about the competitiveness

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing about finding you guys, are fucking you,

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Speaker 3: fucking Shaquille O'Neil. Here's a thing about fighting, bro. It's

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Speaker 3: like any given fucking Sunday. And just because this guy

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Speaker 1: Can't be him.

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Speaker 3: We're like, you don't understand, man, every single person you fight,

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Speaker 3: it's different. You have to fight different. You gonna do

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Speaker 3: it's bluid, dude, Any given Sunday, Any given Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Uh, your thoughts on the Shaquille O'Neil offering to Shack Majory.

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Speaker 1: Two of them. Okay, hold on calling him Shaquille O'Neil. Actually,

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Speaker 2: Look, do you know how Strickland talks about it? I

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Speaker 2: don't want to be shirtless with Strickland and his condo there,

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Speaker 2: but shout out to Shak for making that happen.

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Speaker 1: Over zoom.

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Speaker 2: He talks with the tone, have you ever like you know,

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Speaker 2: this intense tone, and they have the whole thing figured out.

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Speaker 2: And it's not that he can't be insightful or introspective,

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Speaker 2: but like, how much of this is a purposeful act

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Speaker 1: Well, listen, I mean, on a professional level, it looks

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Speaker 1: to have a clear eyed perspective about like this. You

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Speaker 1: Each one is a new experience, Like that is that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how bizarre, how bizarre.

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Speaker 1: And how bizarre.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's listen in here on Abu Smagametov who also

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Speaker 2: did Shaq the Strickland trash talk? Which can be anything?

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Speaker 2: It can be anything. Look, it's a wild next. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I saw Chris Curtis online Tom some story about Strickland

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Speaker 2: will will insult everyone he's around. Let's see if that

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Speaker 2: can get inside the dome of ABIs Magametov. Abus. Let's

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Speaker 4: One of the unique things about fighting Sean is he's

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Speaker 4: quite a unique character in MMA. He likes to talk

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Speaker 4: a lot inside the cage. How do you sort of

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Speaker 4: it make you feel stronger? Do you just ignore it?

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Speaker 1: What's your approach there?

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Speaker 5: My advice for Cilicland you have to be quite have

432
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Speaker 5: to take care of his of himself, you know, like

433
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Speaker 5: take care of his survival. Like if you want to talk,

434
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Speaker 5: we can talk after the fight, but in the fight,

435
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Speaker 5: we have to fight.

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Speaker 1: It's not talk show, you.

437
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Speaker 2: Know, definitely not a talk show. ABIs would go on

438
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Speaker 2: to say guitar show. If I can. ABIs during media

439
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Speaker 2: day said, if I can say one word to describe Strickland,

440
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Speaker 2: it's crazy guy, Luke. That's two words in English.

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Speaker 1: Maybe crazy guy is one word now, all right, what

442
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Speaker 1: do you.

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Speaker 2: Think about ABIs Megametoff at media day also saying in English,

444
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Speaker 2: I'm ready to die in that ring and smash this

445
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Speaker 2: guy Luke. He's a plus one thirty five underdog with

446
00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,439
Speaker 2: only one UFC fight. He's good, but being given a

447
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Speaker 2: lot of respect against the number seven middleweight in the world. Here,

448
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Speaker 2: what are the betters.

449
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Speaker 1: Know that we don't well that you know, uh, he

450
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Speaker 1: certainly is not without his own drawbacks, but that at

451
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Speaker 1: thirty two, he's a seasoned, experienced competitor like Sean Strickland,

452
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Speaker 1: he just has had a bit of a different road there.

453
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Speaker 1: Is very athletic, is very well rounded. Again, he has

454
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Speaker 1: some vulnerabilities, but they don't seem to be in any

455
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Speaker 1: way extreme or the kind of thing that has like

456
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Speaker 1: limited him or kind of made patterns of what his

457
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Speaker 1: issues are. He just you know, for lack of a

458
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 1: better description, he did get caught. It was a great

459
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Speaker 1: punch from Taylor, but you get the idea anyway, Yeah, dude,

460
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Speaker 1: I actually think this will be competitive. Like the thing

461
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Speaker 1: about Sean Strickland is his wrestling defense is very strong,

462
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Speaker 1: and he can wrestle offensively a little bit, but that

463
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Speaker 1: he doesn't do a whole lot of it. And he

464
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Speaker 1: can be in striking contest where he is reckless like

465
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Speaker 1: he was against Patata, but a lot of times, like

466
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Speaker 1: against Cannon Ear, he's a lot more careful and so

467
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Speaker 1: he doesn't necessarily have like super offensive potent kickboxing, although

468
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Speaker 1: again I'm going to be very clear that it is good.

469
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Speaker 1: So for all those reasons, is there a good way

470
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Speaker 1: to look at this and say that this is a

471
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Speaker 1: very closely contested fight. To the odds makers, I actually

472
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Speaker 1: feel like these odds are right on the money. Like

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Speaker 1: the fact that he is not ranked, It's not just

474
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Speaker 1: a lip service. This guy is significantly better than what

475
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Speaker 1: any ranking, or in this particular case, a lack of

476
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Speaker 1: ranking would indicate he is a worthy adversary. I don't

477
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Speaker 1: think he'll beat Strickland, but I think he'll give him

478
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Speaker 1: a or he could, but bare minimum. He's gonna be tough.

479
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Speaker 1: I suspect.

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Speaker 2: Look, I do feel like for Strickland to win this

481
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Speaker 2: fight and continue on back into this title picture, some adjustment,

482
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Speaker 2: some alteration has to be done. You know, he edged

483
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 2: out her Manton by split decision in a close fight.

484
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Speaker 2: The m of Off fight he's coming off of a win,

485
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Speaker 2: was also a close fight, and those losses against Prayer,

486
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Speaker 2: I think we can understand. The Peira loss kind of

487
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Speaker 2: got a little bit reckless, walked into it, but did

488
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Speaker 2: have that check in with cannoneer to see which way

489
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 2: both were going, and came up just short. Eric Nixon

490
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Speaker 2: is a hell of a coach in his corner, someone

491
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Speaker 2: we both like, you know, in respect. What can Strickland

492
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Speaker 2: do to change to alter to kind of pull himself

493
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Speaker 2: over the hump because you don't look at him as

494
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Speaker 2: a knockout threat, maybe more of sustained damage. Not a

495
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Speaker 2: big submission guy, but is a steady, confident kickboxer who

496
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Speaker 2: pushes the pace against you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's just that I think he has

498
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Speaker 1: to make him work, you know. Does he need to

499
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Speaker 1: make him work with takedown attempts? I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: Like a lot of times you hear me recommend that,

501
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't necessarily recommend that here, but BC just the

502
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 1: numbers speak to it. Right, strikes landed per minute for

503
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Speaker 1: Sean Strickland five point seven to six. That's very high.

504
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 1: That's well well above average for a ranked fighter. So

505
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Speaker 1: five point seven six at nearly six you need to

506
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Speaker 1: put he needs to make him work down. He does

507
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Speaker 1: absorb four point twenty five. Although some of that is

508
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Speaker 1: I make people like, oh, he was playing a stupid

509
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Speaker 1: game with Pata. He was, but that part of the

510
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Speaker 1: way he plays that game against other guys can sometimes

511
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Speaker 1: work really well where he's kind of in range but

512
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Speaker 1: never really in power range, so he's able to kind

513
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Speaker 1: of catch a lot of stuff, roll with it, kind

514
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Speaker 1: of eat it. A little bit and it's not really

515
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Speaker 1: all that damaging, and it puts him in a good

516
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Speaker 1: spot for his strikes. I think, you know, that's a

517
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Speaker 1: bit of a difficult game to play, especially with this

518
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Speaker 1: guy early. But I think over time, if he's really

519
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Speaker 1: able to get some of that volume going, he will

520
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 1: not a case where I think he necessarily by the

521
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Speaker 1: way I often say, real estate is going to be

522
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Speaker 1: dominant in this case, I could see for him moving

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Speaker 1: forward a little bit later and then backing up a

524
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Speaker 1: little bit early. I don't think that's a bit of

525
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Speaker 1: a problem at all. So he could CounterPunch off the

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Speaker 1: back foot and counter strike off the back foot. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: to me, this is gonna be about work rate. We

528
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Speaker 1: don't have a great data set on Mega Madoff such

529
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Speaker 1: as it exists. In his one UFC fight PC. You know,

530
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Speaker 1: he landed twenty two strikes per minute, but like you know,

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Speaker 1: you can't you can't take that seriously at all as

532
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Speaker 1: like a real statistical measurement. So to me, work rate,

533
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Speaker 1: let's see him put it on it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna have more on this with our main

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Speaker 2: preview in Okay bet coming up, and you can check

536
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Speaker 2: out those full interviews at length at the shaq mm

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Speaker 2: A YouTube channel. That's sha k Luke. Let's go to

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Speaker 2: this co main event here. Demir Is Mugouloff snapped a

539
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Speaker 2: nineteen fight win streak when he lost to armand sar

540
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Speaker 2: Yuki and our Armenian brethren there. Now he's gonna welcome

541
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Speaker 2: Grant Dawson, who will be minus one fifteen betting favorite. Sorry,

542
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Speaker 2: excuse me, this is more of a pick a minus

543
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Speaker 2: one oh five at the moment for Demir minus one

544
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Speaker 2: fifteen for Grant Dawson. We need a big bounce back

545
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Speaker 2: here for his magool Off, Luke, are you expecting that?

546
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Speaker 1: Well, he has had a weird run. So he after

547
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Speaker 1: the Kuta Telazzi fight, or maybe it was after the

548
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Speaker 1: Saryuki fight. I don't think so. I think it was

549
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 1: after the Kute Delazzi fight. He retired and then came back.

550
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Speaker 1: I think that's I got the timeline right, and he

551
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Speaker 1: thought sar Yukin. Either way, he lost to Soyuki in

552
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Speaker 1: and he retired all in this sort of weird expanse

553
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Speaker 1: of time. And I was a little bit worried about

554
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: Saryukin in the fight. I wasn't sure his takedowns were

555
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 1: going to be as potent as they were, so that

556
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Speaker 1: was very surprising. So the question is bad performance because

557
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Speaker 1: up to that point too, this Bogoulov had shown really

558
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Speaker 1: good takedown defense. I mean, Guram Kute de Lazzi would

559
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Speaker 1: not be best described as a wrestler, but I think

560
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Speaker 1: he's got good wrestling and he had a much harder

561
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Speaker 1: time getting him to the ground, So it speaks to

562
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Speaker 1: saryuki and strengths. But I think I think Gura Kuta

563
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Speaker 1: de Lazzi is the most underrated UFC lightweight by a

564
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Speaker 1: million miles, So that win to me is like very significant.

565
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Speaker 1: To answer the question again, you go to the numbers

566
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Speaker 1: on this one. BC Grant Dawson takedown's average per fifteen

567
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Speaker 1: minutes three point eight, very high, very high. He's looking

568
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Speaker 1: for more than one takedown around statistically speaking, that is

569
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Speaker 1: a shit ton. So you know, the real question here

570
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: is going to be that takedown defense of Damirius mcgoolav.

571
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Speaker 1: But of course we see what does is mcgoulov combine

572
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Speaker 1: it with He combines it with a great and consistent

573
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 1: jab That's one reason why he's able to keep guys

574
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Speaker 1: a little bit off of him, is that they end

575
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Speaker 1: up taking shots them a little bit further out, with

576
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Speaker 1: a little bit more delayed timing or getting their rhythm

577
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 1: messed up, and it makes defending the takedown once they

578
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: get there a little bit easier. So Yukin was kind

579
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Speaker 1: of able to like disrupt that and get through in

580
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 1: a way that again was very surprising. So once it

581
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Speaker 1: becomes like Matt wrestling, Grant Dawson should be better. At

582
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Speaker 1: that point, the question is how much can he make

583
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Speaker 1: it not on the feet separated wrestling, but on top

584
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Speaker 1: of you Matt wrestling. We we shall see. I think

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Speaker 1: I have looked at the odds BC, so I'm gonna

586
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Speaker 1: just guess is mcgolov is a slight favorite or am

587
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Speaker 1: I wrong about that?

588
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Speaker 2: Well, as I said when I teeed it up to you,

589
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Speaker 2: he is minus one oh five Deir but a minus

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Speaker 2: one fifteen Grant Dawson, so a virtual.

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Speaker 1: Pick pick them, Yeah, pick them. So I think that's

592
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Speaker 1: probably pretty fair. It's a question of, like, Grant Dawson

593
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: has had some nice wins, but he's never beaten someone.

594
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Speaker 1: To my knowledge, the quality of Ismagoulaw this would be

595
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: a high water mark for Dawson, So is he up

596
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 1: to the task of the next level. That's entirely what

597
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: this fight is supposed to tell us.

598
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 2: So here's what's interesting. Dawson enters at ranked fifteen in

599
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 2: the lightweight Top fifty or top yeah, whatever, you get

600
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 2: what I'm saying here, demere number twelve, so important positioning

601
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 2: here on who's going to catapult into this top ten.

602
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 2: But look, we don't talk about Grant Dawson a lot.

603
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 2: Did you know he's wins? He's unbeaten in his last

604
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 2: eleven fights, which goes back to before his UFC run.

605
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 2: He won on Dana White's Contender Series in twenty seventeen

606
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 2: via submission, and since then has gone seven and seven

607
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 2: to zero to one inside the octagon. The only sort

608
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 2: of blemish there was that twenty twenty one draw to

609
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 2: Ricky Glenn. Hasn't beaten top level names, has beaten sort

610
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 2: of that second and third tier, but is coming off

611
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 2: back to back submission wins against Jared Gordon in April

612
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 2: of last year and Mark Madsen last November. When we

613
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 2: talk about this reloading lightweight division, still a lot of big, older,

614
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 2: action oriented names, but here we got twenty nine year

615
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 2: old Grant Dawson. Is he coming or going right now?

616
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Speaker 2: In your eyes?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I do. I think highly of his abilities.

618
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Speaker 1: It's just we and to your point, like the wind

619
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Speaker 1: streak is nice, and he's looked better than he ever has,

620
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: Like he looks like he he he earned this, He

621
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Speaker 1: earned this opportunity, Like I need to fight someone who's

622
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: got a little bit of ranking ahead of me, a

623
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Speaker 1: little bit of like reputationally ahead of me as well.

624
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: He's earned it, He's earned it big time. And again

625
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Speaker 1: it's a good time for like Dawson to be surging

626
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: while this bagoulav appears to be hard to say exactly

627
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: what is going on with him? So I think highly

628
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: of grand Dawson. I just need to see him prove

629
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Speaker 1: it against someone a little bit more, you know, highly ranked,

630
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: to put it quite simply, dude, Like, yeah, he's beaten

631
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: all the guys that tell you he's obviously good. But dude,

632
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: everyone at lightweight is really good, you know, So exactly

633
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: where will he fall? This is a much clearer distillation

634
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: of that whole process, well, Luke.

635
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Speaker 2: Showtime Basketball's Arieljwane claims to have coined the term the

636
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 2: people's main event. Although I think that's been around a

637
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 2: long time, you know what I mean. Dwayne Johnson used

638
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 2: to throw that around at the ww ring. Anyways, the

639
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 2: whole idea is what fight on the card is really

640
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 2: bringing the fans in that they're most focused on For

641
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 2: you and me as fight fans, that involves one man,

642
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 2: a future champion and the eternal question of where does

643
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 2: Kevin Lee fit in all of this? Well, Luke two

644
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 2: plus years out of the UFC one Eagle LEFC win

645
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 2: over over Joshua Fabia's Guy Diego Nightmare Sanchez. Later he's back.

646
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 2: It's Kevin Lee, a plus one seventy five betting underdog

647
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 2: in the preliminary featured about. Look, this is not a

648
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 2: deep card. Kevin Lee is a former title challenger. Maybe

649
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 2: maybe was one staph infection on his chest away from

650
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 2: winning that. Who knows. They're bringing him back on in

651
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 2: the Apex in the prelimbs and against an absolute hammer

652
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 2: in Hena fuck Reddanov who was a minus two oh

653
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 2: five betting favorite. And overall, Luke is coming in uh

654
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 2: with a record of twenty and one and that first

655
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 2: loss was very early his second pro fight. This feels

656
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: like a big opportunity for one, Kevin Lee, but it's

657
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: also uphill. I mean, that's that's It's always been that way.

658
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 2: He's always matched himself tough. But do you find it weird,

659
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 2: like the way in which this is happening, Like, I'm

660
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 2: still not sure why he ever got cut to begin with.

661
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: Luke Uh. He got cut after the ola Vera fight.

662
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: I think there was a couple of reasons. One, he

663
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: had lost, you know, so he there was the record

664
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: he was putting together was starting to crumble a little bit.

665
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: And then you know, I think it during his reign

666
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: there you know whether or not this is fair. I

667
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: think the UFC matchmakers kind of considered him a bit

668
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: of a malcontent and they were just like, you know,

669
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: pack the shit and go somewhere else. And then he

670
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: went to Eagle and then had that kind of like

671
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: really rough showing against Diego Sanchez, and he gutted it

672
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: out and got the job done. But Jesus, that was

673
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: not great. Yeah. I think he tore like either one

674
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: or both of his knees like some devastating issue. I

675
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: think at this point he has torn both of them.

676
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if he tore both of them in

677
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: that fight, but you know, he accumulatively the injuries have

678
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: piled up and they were you know, magnified in that

679
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: particular contest. And then he signed with ali Abila's ease,

680
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: and I think that that is what helped get him

681
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: back in the door and put him there, putting him

682
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: on the prelimbs, putting him against a guy like this,

683
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: I mean you, I think frankly, he and not so

684
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: much putting in the apex, but putting him on the

685
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: prelims and putting him in a very tough fight against

686
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: for gretdanov Is, you should have expected that. Like, they

687
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: weren't just going to invite him back and be like, hey,

688
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: you can headline main events for us again. You know,

689
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: they just weren't going to do that. They were going

690
00:31:58,400 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: to make him be like, all right, well we'll let

691
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: you back in the door, but you're gonna you're gonna

692
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: earn this shit the hard way is really the answer

693
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: to that. And frankly, I think that's gonna be good

694
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: for him. You know, at times when he gets out

695
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: in front of his skis is when he gets too confident,

696
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: when his back is up against the wall. Yeah, sometimes

697
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: that doesn't go great either, But I don't know. I

698
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: feel like he's had great moments of shining and actually

699
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: in those situations. One of my favorite fights from me

700
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: was the Maga Man Mustafaya fight, where you know there

701
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: was it wasn't like bad Blood in that sense, but

702
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of questions about what Kevin

703
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,719
Speaker 1: Lee was up to the task against this dude, and

704
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: he kinda he kind of gave it to him a

705
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: little bit.

706
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 5: There.

707
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: You go back to the Gregor Gillespie fight when he

708
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: gets inspired, like do we you know our joke about

709
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: future world champion, Maybe we have to eat some crow

710
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: on that. But like, do I still believe that the

711
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: high water mark of what Kevin Lee is capable of

712
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: is very very very good? Yes, I do. I still

713
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: believe that.

714
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: Well, it's only thirty years old. And even though he

715
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 2: had lost four of five, which you know in theory

716
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 2: that's why he was cut, you would think, although again

717
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 2: it was against good, very good competition. He always faces

718
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 2: the best, and in between them you had that knockout

719
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 2: of Gilespie that like is like knockout, you know, one

720
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 2: of the best knockouts last five, six, seven years. Luke

721
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 2: just incredible. But when I did ask him when I

722
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 2: caught up with him this week. We're gonna throw to

723
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 2: a clip in a little bit, but you can go

724
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 2: to YouTube dot com slash Morning Combat for the full interview.

725
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 2: Very good. I hope you check it out. Luke, he's

726
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: he says, it's welterweight all the time. Moving forward, he says,

727
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 2: the one thing he's gonna blow the fans away with

728
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 2: is that is how strong he came back as Luke

729
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 2: he is jacked as shit, which we're gonna see in

730
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 2: a moment. But when I asked him about being cut

731
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 2: in the process back, the only answer he had was politics,

732
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 2: That it was all political, that it that really those

733
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 2: losses didn't necessarily they probably played a part, but they

734
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 2: didn't necessarily mean I watched an MMAI video because you know,

735
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 2: I watch a lot of that guy's content where he

736
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 2: tried to connect the dots between Lee exiting the UFC,

737
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 2: then switching managers and going with Ali and then suddenly

738
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 2: being allowed back in. Is there a deeper story there

739
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 2: that maybe we don't talk about enough about how this

740
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: sport is run, because that seems pretty weird for him

741
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 2: to go to go with the answer of politics and

742
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: then you see him switching managers and now he's back

743
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 2: in the UFC.

744
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't I think, I mean, you say weird.

745
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: I mean that's how the and I don't say this

746
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: is a good thing, but that's how the business works.

747
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: Like the reason why, Uh, it's not totally true obviously

748
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. That okay, there's a lot

749
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: of different managers who operate in very different ways. However,

750
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 1: Ali is he's arguably the most powerful manager in the

751
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: sport and has like this obviously, this large roster, many

752
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: of which have either are currently champions or have been

753
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: champions in a relatively recent order. Gai chie suhudo. You

754
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: know you didn't. Everyone knows the story, and uh, you

755
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 1: know there he carries. The UFC seems to favor him,

756
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: is the best way I can say that.

757
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: You can ask, Oh, I mean Ali, not Lee you're

758
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 2: talking about?

759
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Ali? Do they favor his clients? They seem

760
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: to favor his clients, which is why the fighters it

761
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: seems like they end up signing with him. So there

762
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: was a question about, like you want a manager that

763
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: has that kind of relationship with the UFC. Most fighters

764
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: seem to think that they do it is different from

765
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: the traditional model, which is where you know, adversarial seems

766
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: like a strong word, but you would not be like

767
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: in a kind of like favored status. You would work

768
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: to like on your client's behalf against their interest rather

769
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: than dove tailing with it. But the fighters, they seem

770
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: to think that that's the best way to do it. Also,

771
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: I will say this just based on the way that

772
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: the industry works, would there be a path for Lee

773
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: to get back in but for Ali. And the answer

774
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: is whether you like this factor, whether you don't like

775
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: this fact, I don't think that there would be, Like

776
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: you know, the difference between Kevin Lee and Will Brooks

777
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: is that Will Brooks is thirty six right and Kevin Lee,

778
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: to your point, thirty just thirty years of age. So

779
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: this is why I think you and I still kind

780
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,479
Speaker 1: of in the back of our minds we just won't

781
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,280
Speaker 1: let go of the idea that Kevin Lee can maybe

782
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: do more than what he's done. I mean, how far

783
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: he can go b see, I don't know, but I

784
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: think both of us feel like he hasn't given us

785
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: his very best, but with Will Brooks's thirty But like

786
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: if Lee was not managed by Ali, and Brooks was

787
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: would that get Brooks in? I don't know. I'm just speculating,

788
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 1: but I think it would make the chances significantly higher

789
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: than they otherwise are for the reasons that they exist.

790
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's something there. I think there's a

791
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 2: lot there. I mean, Mmai goes into it. There's he's

792
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 2: got his theory.

793
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: It just it's just a basic questions like what do

794
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: you want managers in the sport to be doing. Do

795
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: you want them to have essentially hundreds of clients and

796
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: actors of brokerage for the promoter or do you not?

797
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: And I think the reality is without effective legislation, this

798
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: is just what we're gonna get. Yeah.

799
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 2: Well, Lee told me he turned down multiple offers from

800
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 2: all the big suitors that you would have expected during

801
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 2: this free agency run. But he's back. He's in tough. Luke,

802
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 2: I encourage, Like I said, everybody watched the full interview

803
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 2: because mindset wise, he seems to be back dialed in.

804
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: I don't know if humbold's the right word, but you know,

805
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 2: he did go through a lot emotionally through this process,

806
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 2: and Luke, his brother will be in his corner this

807
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 2: this weekend. Former Belt or fighter Klee who has you know,

808
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 2: you can argue in terms of popularity on a social

809
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 2: media level, has you know, passed by his brother and

810
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 2: Kevin I.

811
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: Can't argue that that's a that's a fact. Yeah, I

812
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: mean vastly surpassed him through through the.

813
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 2: Whole uh you know, Instagram, food uh, food reviews and

814
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 2: all the all the all the stuff he's doing on

815
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,439
Speaker 2: social media to help out so many Las Vegas based

816
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 2: food businesses there. But it's an interesting time to be

817
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 2: Kevin Lee. So let's let's throw to some sound I

818
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 2: have with him, Luke talking about the challenges ahead of him,

819
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 2: the pressure of taking on this fight and all the

820
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 2: circumstances that go with it. Here's the future champion.

821
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 6: You know that's cool with me though, It's all right,

822
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 6: it adds more pressure to the fight. Like, let's let's

823
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 6: not be mistaken. Let's be clear. You know, I'm coming

824
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 6: back after three years of fighting world champions and former

825
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 6: world champions, so now I'm fighting a guy who nobody

826
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 6: really heard of. People can barely pronounce his name. He's

827
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 6: on a nineteen fight win streak. A lot of people

828
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 6: think he's gonna beat me, and I'm doing that on

829
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 6: the pre limb. So uh yeah, there's a whole lot

830
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 6: of pressure for me to form this weekend, and I

831
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 6: wouldn't have it no other way. I don't need the

832
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 6: mainly bank comanian, I don't need none of that. This

833
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 6: this is adding even more. This fight is for the

834
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 6: hard cores. I ain't done no promotion for it. I

835
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 6: ain't done. I really ain't barely told nobody about it.

836
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 6: You want to see it, you're kind of see it

837
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 6: is for the hardcores. The UFC has a new casual

838
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 6: fans that that have kind of risen since the pandemic.

839
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 6: This fight not for him, This fight for the hardcores,

840
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 6: and and uh they'll be around for the title fights.

841
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: Dude, I love Lee. I love Kevin Lee. He's fucking great.

842
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 2: Apologies for the McDonald's WiFi and Lee's Las Vegas backyard there.

843
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: But yes, did he call from the Titanic submarine that

844
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: was at the bottom of the ocean. I can't tell.

845
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 2: Uh, he was the only survivor If he did, Luke,

846
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 2: and he's a survivor through the last couple of years

847
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 2: for sure. He's got a great answer to my question

848
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 2: about Michael Kisa's mom that you want to check out

849
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 2: in that interview YouTube dot com slash Morning Combat. One

850
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 2: other thing, he said, Luke, he believes, name wise, he

851
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 2: may only be a couple wins away from getting into

852
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 2: this welterweight title picture. He's got a tough test. We'll

853
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 2: get to that once more one more time in a second.

854
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 2: But I asked him which opponent he's chasing in reality

855
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 2: separate from the title shot. You know, unfinished business, he said,

856
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 2: Charles Olavera without question at welterway and Luke, you remember

857
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 2: that Doe Bronx submitted Kevin Lee in March of twenty twenty.

858
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 2: That was the third and that four pack of losses

859
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 2: against big names Raging, al Rda and d Rod were

860
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 2: the other ones. That's an interesting idea. I don't see it,

861
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 2: you know, necessarily likely with the two divisions in the future.

862
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 2: But do you remember what happened in that fight? It

863
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 2: wasn't not a typical Kevin Lee fight where he had

864
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 2: big moments and he gets stopped.

865
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 1: I candidly don't remember offhand. I don't remember.

866
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 2: Either, do I All right?

867
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's weird, like he had two great runs. He

868
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: lost to Ia quintin his UFC debut, and then he

869
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: went on a run and then I think I think

870
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,879
Speaker 1: he lost, like surprisingly to Leonardo Santos. I saw him

871
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: that weekend. We actually talked about it, and then he

872
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: went on like the best run he's had. And then

873
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: since those, since that, it's just been just really uneven.

874
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: He's been at war with the promoter at times. But

875
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: I do I like it. I like that they pushed

876
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: Kevin Lee's back up against the wall, that he recognizes that.

877
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: And listen, dude, the guy he's fighting for, Kretdinov, is good,

878
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: like really good. Like there's a good chance Kevin Lee

879
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: doesn't win. But I don't know, man. I kind of like,

880
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: if you're gonna bring Lee back, fuck it, make it

881
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: as hard as possible for him, make him earn it,

882
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: make him start from the back of the pack, and

883
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: let's see what he can do. I think he's still

884
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:30,919
Speaker 1: got something in him.

885
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 2: Well, Vegas doesn't like his chances, as I established, plus

886
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 2: one seventy five for Lee, minus two o five for

887
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 2: fuck rettenof. I don't even know if that's the correct

888
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 2: pronunciation Lee told me in the video, but he's pronouncing

889
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 2: it hennah, which sounds Brazilian Luke. Is it hinnah Renna?

890
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 2: I don't really know, but I can tell you that.

891
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm saying it like a gringo. But my

892
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: understanding is we're not for Cred're not.

893
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, he's two and oh since making his UFC

894
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 2: debut in June of last year, decision wins over Andreas

895
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 2: Mikolattis and tough winner Ryan Battle. He does have a

896
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 2: bunch of finishes before that in different promotions around the

897
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 2: globe against second, third tier names that we would recognize.

898
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 2: How good is this guy, Luke? What type of style?

899
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 2: What are we gonna what are we gonna see? I mean,

900
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 2: all Kevin Lee fights are crazy, right, he comes in

901
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 2: throwing bombs. I'd like to see him more refined Kevin Lee.

902
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 2: But what type of style are we looking at? How

903
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 2: much you know about Rena.

904
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,720
Speaker 1: I've seen a couple of stuff, a couple of fights

905
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: from YouTube, and then I watched his two UFC fights

906
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: for preparation for today's show. He had the one over

907
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: I canno. Say this guy's name right, Mikhalid's again, it's

908
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: not Mitchell Leedy's, it's a different pronunciation. I'll call him Andreas,

909
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: and then he had the fight against the tough winner,

910
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: Brian Battle, and he looked like about what you would

911
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 1: imagine he would look like BC hardcore pressure boxer, wrestler,

912
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 1: establish his contact, gets takedowns along the fence line, then

913
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: begins to work from turtle or in the case of

914
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: Brian Battle, he worked from battleguard the entire time, where

915
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: he eventually I think cut him open in the late

916
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: first or somewhere in the second round. It was real bad.

917
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: He beat him up, real good, and he'd beat But

918
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: the difference is that he got the win over Mikhalitis,

919
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 1: but there was times where Mikhalitis was trying to take

920
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: his back. It was a little bit more certainly early anyway,

921
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: it was a little bit more back and forth. Both

922
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: fights went to a decision. So I want to be clear,

923
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: like he looked like, you know, hey, you know a

924
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: three D printer print me a hard as nails Dagistani

925
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,439
Speaker 1: UFC fighter, Like this is kind of what you would get.

926
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: And I don't want to suggest to you that he

927
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: doesn't have a good ground and pound. I don't want

928
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: because he does. I don't want to suggest to you

929
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: that he can't finish a fight even though he has

930
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: two decisions, because his record shows that he can. In fact,

931
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: he beat Eric Spiceley inside of a minute in the

932
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: first round on the regional scene. But the point I

933
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: want to make here is Lee it should be in

934
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: theory categorically much better than Khalid's and battle like should

935
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 1: be vastly better, vastly better than them. The only question

936
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: for me BC is is not Kevin Lee skill wise

937
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: either at for Kretdanov's level or above it? Because I

938
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: think he might be above it. It's not that it's output,

939
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: It's like, what what kind of effort are you going

940
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: to give in the third and a half minute of

941
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: round three? Because that is really where this fight's going

942
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: to be One or lost times. You've seen Lee crumble

943
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: a little bit there.

944
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, the old Kevin Lee might not get there because

945
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 2: he'll have big moments, but you know, the door of

946
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 2: vulnerability will be left wide open and he'll get caught,

947
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 2: He'll get staggered. Crazy things happen, and a Kevin Lee fight.

948
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 2: What he ultimately told me, Luke was, you know, no

949
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 2: one's ever questioning the physical with him, that the mixture

950
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 2: of striking with wrestling, the athleticism, all that, but he

951
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 2: identified that he expects this new mental change, this new

952
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 2: mindset to really affect him in the cage. He does

953
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 2: have to ration that a little bit more, right, you know,

954
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 2: you don't want to take away from what makes him

955
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 2: exciting and dangerous. But it was always a little bit

956
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 2: too much, right it was. You know, I don't know

957
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 2: if it was a game planning issue or just he

958
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 2: was sometimes too there to be hit exchanging. But you know,

959
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 2: he's always one big strike away from suddenly being out

960
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 2: of the fight. I mean, anyone is. But you got

961
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 2: to protect that one spot in the death Star Luke

962
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 2: and Keith, you know what I mean. I mean, how

963
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 2: can we respect the empire when some farm boy from

964
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 2: the desert, you know, can can fly in on a

965
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 2: jet and shoot that one hole and you're done right.

966
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, well remember the scientists built it that way. So

967
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: that was what was his name, Galen Urso, Galen ers.

968
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Jennerso's dad. You're right, good calling rogue one. Wow.

969
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. What I was gonna say is, yeah,

970
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 1: you're right, dude. Like I mean, he had for raza

971
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: hobby as a trainer, who you know, is just about

972
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: one of the best trainers that has ever done it,

973
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: and I just didn't love his striking defense. If there's

974
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: one thing about his development that has really kind of

975
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 1: hurt him, it's his defensive issues striking. I don't know

976
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 1: where we're at on this today. I guess we'll see.

977
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: He's been with sal He's been in South Florida, Henry

978
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: hoofed out there, and you know, I hope that move

979
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: has proved fruitful for him because that has been a

980
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 1: majorly lacking area. Also, we should point out b see,

981
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: he has been training with RSD alumnus Phil Deroux. So

982
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 1: he got back off of that knee surgery. With Phil

983
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,439
Speaker 1: de Ux, it'll be interesting to see again talking about

984
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: all those other things that he needs to get that

985
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: next edge. That could be one of them. We'll see.

986
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 2: Hey, you know what you know who just had a

987
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 2: big BKFC win with Phil Deru behind him. Was that tattooed, bald,

988
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 2: haded guy we met down at Phil's Jim Jake Bostwick

989
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,919
Speaker 2: from the UK, the big time very filter philter Rouge

990
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 2: gets like he's effective, he's aggressive and he's effective at

991
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 2: what he does. Look he can make change is what

992
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 2: I'm trying to say he can make change.

993
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. And also, uh, mister Bosswick is couldn't be a

994
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: nicer bloke, just the nicest guy. He is intimidating.

995
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 2: He showed us a picture of his dad's ass within

996
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 2: like a minute of meeting him. You remember that.

997
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: Because it's covered in tattoos. They have basically no skin

998
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: left other than their face to tattoo.

999
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 2: It looked like his dad had a Pacer Allen type

1000
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 2: you know, demeanor, just an absolute.

1001
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,240
Speaker 1: Bad ass from you see that picture Dan Henderson posted

1002
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:47,919
Speaker 1: about his dad.

1003
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 2: Oh my god, his dad is Jack is like nineteen

1004
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 2: seventy four and his dad's just jackedish.

1005
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, tukey is never going to have

1006
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: this joy?

1007
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, well if you get on and stuff.

1008
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: Is the game, yes, yes, but like up until then,

1009
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: she's gonna be like, yeah, my dad looks like, you know,

1010
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: just a piece of shit. So who's gonna.

1011
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 2: Wait around longer our viewers, for you to go on

1012
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 2: t r T or some eighty year old greeter at

1013
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 2: Tachi Palace who tells everybody that walks through one day,

1014
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 2: the UFC is gonna come here, Like, who will be

1015
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 2: left in wanting more.

1016
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: It's gonna be the greeter. So this is the I'll

1017
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 1: just tell you this. I have already had a couple

1018
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: I've already had a couple of meetings, so to speak,

1019
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: appointments with men's clinics that specialize in this. So I've

1020
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: actually begun. I haven't I haven't taken anything. I've not

1021
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: taken a single thing. But i have begun the process

1022
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: of surveying the situation, so to speak.

1023
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 2: Like donating sperm, Do they have a process where you

1024
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 2: go into a little room with an adult mag before

1025
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 2: starting this, just so you can get rid of all

1026
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 2: the weakness inside of you, Luke, and then insert and

1027
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 2: inject the strength.

1028
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 1: No, but if you have a cell phone, you can

1029
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: just go into any restroom and masturbase. That's a chan.

1030
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. We'll have a pick for Lee

1031
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 2: and okay, Ben a lot of tees to keep you

1032
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 2: through the boxing part of the show. Right, Look what

1033
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 2: else you got for UFC Fight Night's storylines? If any

1034
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 2: what else?

1035
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 1: There's a few extra things on here worth paying attention

1036
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: to very quickly. The return of Ecuadorian Michael Morales, who

1037
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: has been one of the very very very very young

1038
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: but interesting prospects out of Subspan speaking South America, so

1039
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: not named Brazil. We'll see what he can do. That's

1040
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: kind of interesting.

1041
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 2: Finisher, dude, he's a finisher, Yes.

1042
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 1: A great athlete. Remember he is a judo I think

1043
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: was on the judi national team. Both of his parents

1044
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 1: were as well, so he is quite excellent.

1045
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Morales is a minus two to fifty betting

1046
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 2: favorite against Max Pain, so this would be interesting.

1047
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, it's my old bond Fime is on this

1048
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,720
Speaker 1: card of the famous bon Fime Brothers, the UFC's answer

1049
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: to the Pitbull Brothers. It's Myel's very very good at

1050
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: one fifty five. Pay attention to that one as well. Also,

1051
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: I've said it before, we see I'll say it again.

1052
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: Gouram Kuta de Lazzi, I think is the most underrated

1053
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: lightweight in the UFC. I am surprised he's in the

1054
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 1: place that he's in, given how good he is. This

1055
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: is a great opportunity against Elvis Brenner to begin, I

1056
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,479
Speaker 1: think his long overdue climb to the top.

1057
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 2: And Alexander Romanov, the once bright heavyweight prospect. He's lost

1058
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 2: two in a row and really fell apart in both

1059
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,919
Speaker 2: and came in really fat last time. He'll be taking

1060
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 2: on Blagoy even off in the curtain Jerker, Luke, that's

1061
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 2: a very important fight for Romanov's future. Joe Anderson Brito

1062
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 2: from Brazila is the biggest favorite on this card minus

1063
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 2: twelve to fifty against Weston Wilson, so we'll see what

1064
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 2: happens in okay bet right around the corner. Topic number

1065
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 2: two is bigtime news in the UFC. Unfortunately, in the

1066
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 2: last twenty four hours this UFC Boston card, which is

1067
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 2: not only loaded, but has so much bantamweight sex, Luke

1068
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 2: that they should just call it in an orgy. Henry

1069
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 2: Shuto has pulled out of this eye wide shut party.

1070
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 2: A shoulder injury yanks him from the scheduled fight against

1071
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 2: Marlon Chito Vera. No update as of now whether Vera

1072
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 2: will stay on the card or how long Suhudo will

1073
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 2: be out. We'll still get O'Malley against the champions Sterling

1074
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 2: in the main event to that card. Also Rob font

1075
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 2: back in a big one on there. I mean, that's

1076
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 2: that's bantam weight business up and down, Luke. But what

1077
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 2: does this do for Sakudo's future in your mind? Because

1078
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 2: he only wants really big ones. I was a little

1079
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 2: bit surprised that he signed on for Cheetoh to begin with.

1080
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, well, why it's a big fight.

1081
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 2: It's a big fight, but it's not title or interim

1082
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 2: title or whatever.

1083
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:35,280
Speaker 1: You know. Yes, although I mean if Morob's not available,

1084
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: what else was he supposed to do with it? I mean, dude,

1085
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: he'll be thirty seven in at bantamweight in February. Now

1086
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: that's not eminent, but we're not too far from that either,

1087
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: Like how many fights can you squeeze in as not

1088
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: before that date? It's like it's some magical demarcation line.

1089
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: But the point is, like, you got a minimal amount

1090
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: of time left to make this work. You have to.

1091
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you, dude, I understand why he left when

1092
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: he left these guys. Or you are where you are

1093
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: in your life when you need to take breaks and

1094
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: those aren't convenient for you professionally, and it was not

1095
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: convenient for him professionally, but maybe he really needed it.

1096
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: But dude, he gave up prime fucking years of fighting,

1097
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 1: like and now he's I think kind of sort of

1098
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: trying to make up for lost time to fit in

1099
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: whatever he can to get right back on top. And

1100
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 1: of course, you know, you could argue he beat Sterling,

1101
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: but in the end the judges didn't award it that way.

1102
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 1: Cheeto was a decent enough opportunity given what else uf

1103
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: he was going to do and what else he had

1104
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: time for. The question is you know what do we

1105
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: think is next for him? I guess so he doesn't

1106
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: want to do surgery, as I understand, he just wants

1107
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: to do stem cell and rehab, which means I think

1108
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: he should be able to come back a little bit

1109
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: sooner than if he were to have surgery. So I

1110
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,399
Speaker 1: think he actually kind of expedites his timeline potentially by

1111
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: doing that.

1112
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 2: Sure, you know what I do? Well, after Dilla Shaw

1113
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 2: heels they should make him fight each other. Why because

1114
00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 2: I'd like to see that fight healthy Luke, That's why. Yeah,

1115
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 2: I'd like to see it.

1116
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: Del Shaw's shoulders are a mess.

1117
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,399
Speaker 2: And I'm glad so Hudo didn't fight injured and pull

1118
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 2: a Dilo shot thinking this is my last chance. You know,

1119
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 2: let's see what type of I mean, what do you think? Look,

1120
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 2: we all know what Henry wants to do, how he's wired.

1121
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 2: He wants to make history. He wants to take the

1122
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 2: biggest leap he can. He wants volkanovs get one forty

1123
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,479
Speaker 2: five for the title. You don't think it'll ever happen.

1124
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 2: I think he has to regain the vandamweight title to

1125
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 2: get there. So what fights do you think he's willing

1126
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 2: to accept.

1127
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: I think he'd take Yan. I think he takes Sandhagan,

1128
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: anybody where. List anyone at bantamweight you could name where

1129
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: if they got a good win over them, you'd be like, Okay,

1130
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: they're ready for a title shot. You know, name that guy.

1131
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: That's the answer, is any one of those. So if

1132
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: he goes in there, like obviously, you're not gonna fight now,

1133
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: But if he in the Chito Vera has a legendary chance.

1134
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: So to that point, imagine he stopped Cheeto, you'd be like, Okay,

1135
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 1: all right, he well, let's not fuck around with this,

1136
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 1: Like he's ready to go right back in there. But

1137
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: I guess we'll just see what the timing left. I

1138
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,399
Speaker 1: think there's a chance if he does the stem cell

1139
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: thing pretty quickly and then is really working on the rehab,

1140
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: I feel like he could fight this year, But I

1141
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 1: guess we'll see.

1142
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 2: UFC two ninety two is August nineteenth in Boston, still

1143
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 2: loaded beyond Sterling and O'Malley, don't forget Jeong Way Lee back.

1144
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 2: And also, Lukey, I mentioned song You Dong is a

1145
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 2: huge one, Chris Wiman's come back. There's the very good

1146
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 2: fights up and down that card. What were you gonna say?

1147
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: Lastly, Mike is asking if al Joe wins and then vacates,

1148
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 1: isn't this better for Henry? Right? So if he wins

1149
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: at UFC two ninety two and then vacates Henry, that

1150
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: would be August so he could come back at some

1151
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:36,479
Speaker 1: point later that year and fight for the interim title.

1152
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 2: Ye I'm glad Mikey reminded us because my conspiracy theory

1153
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 2: is always working in these type of situations, Lukes, because

1154
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 2: in reality, like here's here's the thing. I'm not I'm

1155
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 2: not accusing Sehudo of this, but when I heard this,

1156
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 2: I go, you know what, that might actually be more strategic.

1157
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 2: Why fight Vera when there's a chance this belt can

1158
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 2: go vacant. Let's say O'Malley loses to Sterling, as you said,

1159
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 2: and then suddenly the promotion is like, let's see who

1160
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 2: we got here? And Suhudo that's a great fight. You

1161
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 2: guys are fighting for the you know, for the vacant title,

1162
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 2: not even interim. At that point, I wonder if there's strategy.

1163
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 2: I mean, what do you have to show to the

1164
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 2: UFC or the commission to prove that you injured enough

1165
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 2: to pull out? It's my question.

1166
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: Just that you're physically unable to perform.

1167
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 2: Show is my like? Do you have to show an

1168
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:20,760
Speaker 2: X ray? Do you have to show something?

1169
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: Uh so, what good question? I actually don't know what

1170
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: you have to prove.

1171
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 2: And again, while I'm not accusing Suhudo outright of this,

1172
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 2: I've seen this happen in boxing a lot too. There's

1173
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 2: times when fights sort of fall apart because there's a

1174
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 2: potential other opportunity, and it makes it's just convenient that

1175
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,439
Speaker 2: they're injured. I always wonder, Luke, because you're you, you're

1176
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 2: injured for every fight anyway, to be fair, right.

1177
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, always a little bit, always a little bit at

1178
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: a bare minimum.

1179
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 2: I wonder if Suhudo is trying to stay strategic, which

1180
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,399
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm not against it, Luke. But there's

1181
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 2: some other big fights. Don't forget about Sanjagan against Umar

1182
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 2: and if Umar wins that one. Dude, you you know

1183
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 2: he feels he's I mean, I wouldn't say he's next

1184
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 2: because feels like he's next. But I love this division.

1185
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 2: Even if Sterling leaves, that might even make it more

1186
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 2: exciting just because it resets the matchups. I mean, this

1187
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 2: is pretty crazy here live show in Boston. I know

1188
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 2: there's some there's some corporate budget unknowns for us in

1189
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 2: the near future, but are we doing that or no?

1190
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 2: Because I want to get excited about this, but I'm

1191
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,240
Speaker 2: not gonna fake the excitement if it's not happening.

1192
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: I mean again, like you know, when it comes to cards,

1193
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: let's see what's there on fight week. I'll just leave

1194
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: it at that. Let's just see what's there on fight week.

1195
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 2: Okay, all of our New England super fans, that's the

1196
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 2: message out to you. Any other comments about the UFC's

1197
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 2: banewy picture right now, Lucas should be.

1198
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: Rolling about the bandawey picture. No, it's just a great time.

1199
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 1: Mostly this is an unfortunate result. Again of all the

1200
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 1: guys who had I mean, none of these guys have

1201
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: time to lose, they're all in that kind of rat race.

1202
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: But of all the guys who did not have time

1203
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: to lose. Henry's probably at the top of that list.

1204
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: So I lost to Sterling. I mean, if I told

1205
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: you before he came back BC, when when Henry's huter returns,

1206
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: he's gonna lose to al Jamn's. Whether or not there's controversy,

1207
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you the facts. He's gonna lose Algaben Sterling,

1208
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: and then he's going to have immediately following that an

1209
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: injury time off as well. You'd be like, dude, this

1210
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: is not off to a fucking great start.

1211
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, yeah, I mean, look, it's not easy

1212
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 2: to maintain the body and the pounding at this level,

1213
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 2: especially when you've been off for a while. You know,

1214
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 2: it's not easy, Luke, that's the hardest thing. We I

1215
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 2: think we're seeing a combination of better training and obviously

1216
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 2: science that guys are able to maintain an elite status

1217
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 2: deep into their thirties. Now, not just the freaks who

1218
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 2: come around and have that you know, everlasting life where

1219
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 2: they just seem to never get old. That Frankie Edgar

1220
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 2: felt like that for a long time. But now it's

1221
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 2: like this combination where you can stay very good, especially

1222
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 2: on any given night, but you know, it's still that

1223
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 2: problem of maintenance. It's still that problem of you know,

1224
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 2: when you're thirty six, thirty seven, thirty eight, dude, that

1225
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 2: thing just if those things don't recover anymore, even with

1226
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 2: the pd s, right.

1227
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 1: Luke, or at least well, and sometimes depending on what

1228
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: you use, it can actually make ligament and tendon issues worse.

1229
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: So there are ways in which that doesn't help you. Well,

1230
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: I not that I'm suggesting that's here. I mean, guy

1231
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: in a fucking up his shoulder at age thirty six

1232
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: is very common, especially for athletes. But you're right, dude,

1233
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: Like again up here, like how many skills, actual skills

1234
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:17,399
Speaker 1: and nick fight knowledge has Henry's hudo acquired like a ton? Right,

1235
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: But if your body can't take what the fuck you're

1236
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 1: putting it through doesn't mean anything. So uh, the fragility

1237
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 1: of age is a is a brutal, brutal equalizer. Man.

1238
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,879
Speaker 2: When when pro athletes when we were kids, and there

1239
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 2: were a lot of steroids when we were kids, like it

1240
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 2: was really breaking out, especially across the NA, NFL and

1241
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:41,280
Speaker 2: American Gladiators and the WWF for sure, Luke, when guys

1242
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,720
Speaker 2: we expected guys in really any sport, fight, sports, baseball, whatever,

1243
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 2: to like really fall off the cliff around thirty four.

1244
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 2: Was that because they were like eating steaks every night

1245
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 2: and smoking cigars and just like you know what I mean,

1246
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 2: like they're not living the life of twenty four to

1247
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 2: seven like laboratory bill athlete.

1248
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the idea that like this generation of

1249
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: athlete is lasting longer because they just want it more

1250
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 1: as fucking stupid. You know, exercise science has gotten better.

1251
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 1: There's like a there's been some examinations about this because

1252
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 1: like one of the best players for one of the

1253
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: teams I like BC, is this Croatian guy named Luca Madrich,

1254
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: and I think he's like thirty seven, almost thirty eight

1255
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: and still playing at an extremely high level. And they're

1256
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 1: like this would be impossible twenty thirty years ago. How

1257
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 1: did it happen? And of course there is some consideration

1258
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: about you can get designer drugs that actually could extend

1259
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: your career. That's certainly part of it. But the other

1260
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: part is too that exercise science and especially here's the

1261
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: big one BC, like here's how you know, there's a

1262
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: big difference when I first got into the sport and

1263
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: not I mean like nineteen ninety four. I mean, like,

1264
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: you know, after college, cutting weight and then recovery and

1265
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: stuff was kind of seen as like a mental challenge,

1266
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: like you just need to be mentally tougher, you know

1267
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 1: what I mean, and hard sparring was everything, And now

1268
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: we realize sleep is like insanely important for this and recovery. Dude,

1269
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: you can only train what you can recover from. Period.

1270
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 1: That's it. That's the only thing you can actually do.

1271
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: You can only train what you can recover from. And

1272
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: so that portion of it I think genuinely has extended

1273
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: the lives of athletes in terms of their professional career,

1274
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: you know. And Tynnibal Luke and Turnable Yes. Also that

1275
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Speaker 1: also drugs. I mean, you know me, I'm the first

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00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 1: guy to be like, drugs is an answer, But it

1277
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: would be wrong to say that they haven't gotten better

1278
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Speaker 1: at recovery too.

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Speaker 2: As Luke likes to say on his chest, a lot

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Speaker 2: drugs win drug war.

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00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: That's right, the drug who won the drug war? Was

1282
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: it the cops or was it the drugs? Rugs users?

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00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. Topic number three takes us to PFL announcing the

1284
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 2: playoffs for the featherweight and light heavyweight brackets. Keep in mind, Luke,

1285
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 2: that two hundred and five pound division was ravaged by

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00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 2: ped poppages which kicked off defending champions Maheta Santos all

1287
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 2: that stuff. August fourth, San Antonio the site and in

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00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 2: an ESPN card main evented featherweight playoffs, Bubba Jenkins is

1289
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 2: going to take on Jesus Pinato. We've got a light

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00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 2: heavyweight till Josh Silviira, the son of Att's conan Brazilian

1291
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 2: Shrek himself will take on ty Flores Luke, Gabriel Braga

1292
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 2: against Mavlid Kavabulev, and I just butchered that name. Martine

1293
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 2: Hamlet against Impu Kasangana. A couple others may be worth watching.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Luke. These PFL playoffs, no Kayla, no

1295
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 2: Bruno Capaloza.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, I'm not going to say that

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00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 1: there aren't some good fights on this card. It's not

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00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna say. I think it's mauveld hybulaas how

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00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: they say it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel bad because I want to tune in

1301
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 2: be excited, But you know, I mean, I'll watch the

1302
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 2: main event. I love Bubba Jenkins, but I'm not necessarily.

1303
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:52,919
Speaker 2: I don't know a lot of people also think, Luke,

1304
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 2: we got our takes wrong on the PFL tie. You know, situation,

1305
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 2: not a tie, the friendly match between Natan Schult and

1306
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 2: the other guy, Luke Houshman Fio, the two defense were

1307
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 2: they were both champions in the past. I believe Ariel

1308
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 2: was reporting that they made some agreement beforehand to not

1309
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 2: hurt each other and do it the way they did.

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01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 2: I still stand by what I said about this being

1311
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 2: a bad look for PFL. But if PFL has more

1312
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 2: information than we did about how much this was almost

1313
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 2: a set up, are we wrong? Does that does that gray?

1314
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 2: Does that bring in more gray area where maybe they

1315
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 2: did make the right move here, Luke your thought?

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01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 7: No?

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01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 1: Fuck, no report any of this information that they allegedly

1318
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: have to the commission. The Commission's job is to look

1319
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 1: into shit like that. That's that's this is literally what

1320
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: they're there for. They're there to make sure that match

1321
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 1: integrity is upheld. That is exactly why they exist. If

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01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 1: they actually have information that there was not an agreement

1323
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 1: about who would win, but rather an agreement to not

1324
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 1: do certain things or otherwise, and I don't know exactly

1325
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 1: what the Georgia bylaws would say about that. But nevertheless,

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01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 1: if I was a promoter and some of my fighters

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01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 1: were doing that, I would tell the fucking commission about that,

1328
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 1: because you want to make make sure you're doing your

1329
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: due diligence to protect your brand and your investment. And

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the Georgia Commission knows or doesn't,

1331
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 1: but every time we ask them what's the status of

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01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 1: the bouts, They're like, these are legitimate wins, these are

1333
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Speaker 1: legitimate contests in the fucking argument. In the fucking argument,

1334
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 1: this idea that like, well, they had some kind of

1335
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 1: agreement and that gives PFL along with very vague language

1336
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: that you know, just sort of exists in all corporate

1337
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 1: boilerplate bullshit about the right to you know, make final decisions,

1338
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 1: even though some of their other language kind of contradicts that. Dude, like,

1339
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 1: stop fucking playing with us BC. They had a shitty

1340
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: fight that they should never have booked, and I admit

1341
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 1: it's a shitty fight. Who could just argue otherwise they

1342
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 1: got a result that they didn't like that the Commission

1343
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 1: says is legitimate. They said, fuck that, and they brought

1344
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 1: in the guy who was a big acquisition, who was

1345
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 1: a fun fighter. It's not his fault who did not

1346
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 1: qualify for the playoffs. Like, and you want me to

1347
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 1: believe this is not some promoter just making up shit

1348
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: that's better for them, But get the fuck out of here.

1349
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 1: Go to the ask Jeeves cage and put in a

1350
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 1: different search qure If this isn't such information for you,

1351
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: we understand what happened here. They got some shit they

1352
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 1: didn't like and they called an audible and that's the

1353
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: end of it. You can say you like Burgos being

1354
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: in there better, but what you can't say is, like,

1355
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 1: what we're really doing is adhering to the fealty of

1356
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 1: being fighters. First, Yeah, fuck you're not.

1357
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Speaker 2: And I'm not ignoring the potential of like a fixed

1358
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 2: outcome or a fixed fight here necessarily. But Luke said

1359
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 2: it best show us the proof, Like bring the proof forward,

1360
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 2: immune yourself from it. Show us the proof so that

1361
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 2: it removes that potential liability of the decision that was made.

1362
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 2: You put on the fight. They went out there and fought,

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01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 2: a result was had. Like I said, suspend them behind

1364
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 2: the scenes or something, but swap them, pull them from

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Speaker 2: the tournament.

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Speaker 1: This is the same company, and they I talked to

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Speaker 1: them after they did. Remember they had the fights that

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01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 1: they had recorded and then there were live odds for them,

1369
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: and it was this big thing. And I don't think

1370
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 1: the PFL in any way tried to do that nefariously,

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01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 1: but it was negligent right. They should not have done that.

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Speaker 1: I think they realized that if I'm running the PFL,

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01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 1: and I've already been through that situation which is kind

1374
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: of separate but a betting issue, but still here, when

1375
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 1: betting gets involved, it becomes risky. If I have evidence

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01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 1: that my fighters did anything about colluding to get a

1377
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: certain kind of fight or an outcome, I'm going to

1378
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 1: the commission with it. I'm going to the commission with it.

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01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 1: You have to, like, what's more important if you're the PFL,

1380
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 1: your brand or Houseman Fio or Natan Schult, it's your

1381
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 1: fucking brand. So go to the commission. But again, every

1382
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 1: time we talk to them, they tell us this is legitimate.

1383
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: End of story.

1384
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 2: I'd love if they would at least set up a

1385
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 2: zoom conference call once a week with the GeoCities dot

1386
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 2: org smart Cage Luke, because I'd love for it to

1387
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 2: hear like ray fo smells like ham sandwiches. It's confirmed,

1388
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 2: Like I'd love to get, you know, the inside track

1389
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 2: on what's really happening inside it.

1390
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, the bing or Alta Vista smart cage.

1391
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. I mean I didn't get a good enough

1392
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 2: score on my sat is to really argue intelligence with

1393
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 2: that cage, Luke, But it's not. I mean, you know,

1394
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 2: I mean, hell if I care if a ball bag

1395
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 2: swings at five miles per hour not. Le's go to

1396
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 2: topic four, which is fight announcements, Luke, the teas we

1397
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 2: talked about last week. It's real September sixteenth, which is

1398
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 2: a UFC Fight Night card on Mexican Independence Day weekend,

1399
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 2: same city, same night as a fight we think might

1400
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 2: be coming, which is Canelo Alvarez returning to Showtime pay

1401
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 2: per view and taking on Jamal Charlow, although it's not

1402
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 2: confirmed or announced. Luke's gonna be Shof Caught rockmanoff against

1403
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 2: Kelvin Gastolum. I think there's other significance to talk about

1404
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 2: this card because it is now approved that it is

1405
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 2: a Fight Night card with Valentino Chefchenko Alexa Grosso rematch

1406
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 2: for the one twenty five title in the main event.

1407
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 2: Separate for a second from the Mexican angle. This fight's

1408
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 2: really happening. Do get fired up? Shafcot Gastolum at welterweight, Like, yeah, dude,

1409
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 2: if the I like it, I like it for Gasolum

1410
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 2: because if you're gonna reinvent at welterweight and you're gonna

1411
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 2: go all in, you might as well you might as

1412
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 2: well not waste time and fight the best and we'll

1413
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 2: find out if this experiment works or not. Let's find

1414
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,479
Speaker 2: out the hardest way possible. Luke, That's what Kevin Kelvin

1415
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 2: Gasolum is. That's it.

1416
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 1: And also like going back to this issue about like

1417
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 1: why would they put Kevin Lee on the prelimbs and

1418
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 1: blah blah blah when he was exiled from the organization, Like,

1419
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 1: certainly Gastolm has caused the UFC some headaches with the

1420
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 1: varioust weight misses. But I think that what you see

1421
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 1: happening here. I don't know if there's any managerial influence.

1422
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 1: Is Kelvin managed by Ali? I don't even know if

1423
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 1: he is. He might be, I don't know, it doesn't matter.

1424
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 1: The point only point I wanted to make was he

1425
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 1: is okay, But I don't think that's necessarily a plan

1426
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 1: a role here. The point is, here's what the UFC

1427
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 1: is doing. From best I can tell they they they're

1428
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 1: like you and me. They like the idea, not so

1429
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 1: much of weight cutting failure one seventy gasolum, but that

1430
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 1: one point eight five, Like every time you saw gas

1431
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 1: five is he fighting? Notwithstanding it just always like this

1432
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 1: is the best weight class for him, Like this is

1433
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 1: where he fits in physically, the best. This is where

1434
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 1: the best physical tools all kind of come together. And

1435
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 1: this doesn't really make sense. It makes much more sense.

1436
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 1: He'd be able to do that at one hundred and

1437
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 1: seventy pounds, provided he could get to the cut. And

1438
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 1: you never saw him at one seventy not looking drained

1439
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 1: because he would have bad cuts. But like, did he

1440
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 1: ever seem like his diet was really under control? Like

1441
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying he didn't try hard, but I

1442
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 1: mean under under the supervision of a expert both in

1443
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 1: what he should be eating, how the weight should be cut,

1444
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 1: how the rehydration should go. Like, so the entire process,

1445
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 1: not just I have one nutritionists then a weightcut guy,

1446
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 1: and who knows if either of them are any good? Right,

1447
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 1: like you've got this whole process being guided. Then I

1448
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 1: think there's a real chance to think he could do

1449
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 1: something in one seventy. So good luck doing that against

1450
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:33,919
Speaker 1: Shafcott Rockmanov. But to your point, if he wins, he's

1451
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 1: automatically back in the contender.

1452
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 2: Dude. You know he has a name as a as

1453
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:42,440
Speaker 2: an action friendly guy and a former title challenger there

1454
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 2: for the interim belt against Izzy h Or was it

1455
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 2: the interim belt? Yeah? That was Yeah. Where Luke, you

1456
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 2: get big risk, but you get huge rewards if you

1457
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 2: get it done. I mean, let's think about this for

1458
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 2: a second, Dude, he could cash this pretty high, right.

1459
01:06:56,120 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 2: The weltuweight division is is interesting. Now we think Colby's

1460
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 2: getting a title shot that nobody wants or feels he

1461
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 2: deserves against Leon Edwards. Although the deserves thing I think

1462
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:08,440
Speaker 2: is still strong. Oh it's a little strong. I mean,

1463
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 2: I don't like this fight all I don't want to happen.

1464
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 2: But it's not like there's a long line of overdo

1465
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 2: guys at that moment. Luke, how big of a win

1466
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 2: would this be for Kelvin in your eyes? Like, where

1467
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 2: what could he package this toward?

1468
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 1: Man? That's a great question, So like, oh, so let

1469
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 1: me think about that. So if he beat Shaffcott Rochmanov,

1470
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 1: would you say, because I'm thinking I probably would, but

1471
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 1: I need to double check this. Would you say that's

1472
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 1: Kelvin Gastlum's best win? You might you might win for

1473
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 1: him than that one.

1474
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 2: Dude, Ballall shouldn't have to pass through any more things

1475
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:51,439
Speaker 2: to get it done?

1476
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 1: Right?

1477
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 2: Has Blall locked up the title shot in your eyes?

1478
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 7: Yes or no?

1479
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 1: As far as I'm concerned, Yes.

1480
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 2: Okay, And I want to respect that because he I

1481
01:07:58,240 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 2: don't like that Gilbert fight, but he took it, and

1482
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 2: he on it. They got shamaiav in the rankings. I'm

1483
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 2: not even sure he's a Walter Wait anymore, Luke, you

1484
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 2: might be able to You might be able to sneak in.

1485
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 1: You might, you know what, dude? Like, Okay, some of

1486
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:13,960
Speaker 1: these names mean more than other ones because of when

1487
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:16,760
Speaker 1: he fought them and under what conditions. But like on

1488
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,879
Speaker 1: his fucking resume, Kelvin Gaslom, dude, he's got Nate Markuhart.

1489
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 1: That's a great resume name. He's got Jake Ellenberger, that's

1490
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 1: a great now got he kind of fought him on

1491
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 1: their downswing. I understand that, but BC Johnny Hendricks, he's

1492
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 1: got to win over Tim Kennedy. Now that was a

1493
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 1: very fated Tim Kennedy. But still that's pretty fucking good.

1494
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 1: H Michael Bisping. Obviously that's now we're talking about one

1495
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 1: eighty five. Jacqueray had a split ones that was kind

1496
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 1: of dicey, But I mean, we.

1497
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:40,680
Speaker 2: Can't count that Bisping one, Luke, it's not. I don't

1498
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:42,680
Speaker 2: think it's about the resume for Gaslon. I think it's

1499
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:44,640
Speaker 2: about what he's shown in big fights, even if I

1500
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:46,640
Speaker 2: keep getting it wrong that he was closer in that

1501
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:48,760
Speaker 2: Whitaker fight than he actually was, and apparently I keep

1502
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 2: doing that, Luke, even if I screw that part up.

1503
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 2: It's more about the reputation, I think, even than the

1504
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:56,639
Speaker 2: wins and laws. And it has to be because he's

1505
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 2: lost so many.

1506
01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 1: It has to I understand. So like even the Hendrix

1507
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 1: he fought in twenty sixteen was a faded Hendricks as well,

1508
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 1: So like, yeh, there's that. The only point I'm trying

1509
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:05,639
Speaker 1: to make is, let's say he goes in there and

1510
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 1: like cleanly beats up uh Rochmanov, which is a.

1511
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 2: Leap that's also at which is a huge leap.

1512
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying I'm put your mind, like you know,

1513
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 1: crazy shit happens all the time where he's able to

1514
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 1: go and do that. If he gets a win over

1515
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 1: that name in that way, that would clearly be the

1516
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:25,639
Speaker 1: best win on his career. Because your point, Michael Bisping

1517
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 1: was a champion in the fucking Hall. You know, he's

1518
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 1: probably if he's not in the Hall of Fame, he's

1519
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 1: going to be and all that shit. But you know,

1520
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 1: he had just coming off the loss to GSP, should

1521
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 1: not have been fighting, retired immediately. So it's a great name,

1522
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 1: but that's not the real Michael Bisping, right, So.

1523
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 2: Okay, so look this card, as I mentioned, September sixteenth, Vegas,

1524
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:45,679
Speaker 2: but not a pay per view.

1525
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 1: So when I rich you, by the way, BC, we

1526
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 1: should say, I think the UFC made a great call

1527
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:51,800
Speaker 1: with this.

1528
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 2: I think I'm setting up I'm trying to I'm trying

1529
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 2: to set this up to throw it to you. When

1530
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 2: we originally heard this was a possibility, I have to agree.

1531
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 2: I was more like, are they just not wanting to

1532
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 2: compete against Canelo? So they're purposely taking a step back

1533
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 2: But now I wonder, Luke, is this actually aggressive competing?

1534
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 2: From this standpoint? That is a weekend that is known

1535
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 2: as a Mexican holiday with a tie into boxing and

1536
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:16,720
Speaker 2: Oscar de la Hoya or Canelo or Floyd in the

1537
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 2: main event. Floyd sort of took that spot from Oscar.

1538
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:21,680
Speaker 2: Now Canelo's got it? Is this by putting it on

1539
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 2: regular TV and trying to draw on as many Mexican

1540
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 2: fans as possible to a free offering on cable here

1541
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:32,760
Speaker 2: or on streaming of a defending Mexican champion against an

1542
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:35,720
Speaker 2: all time great and a must see rematch, that might

1543
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 2: actually be aggressive competing, right, doing that, getting off pay

1544
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:41,879
Speaker 2: per view and trying to steal as many eyes as possible.

1545
01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 1: Well, listen, do you know the UFC got a lot

1546
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 1: of criticism, very fairly for not just sticking around the

1547
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 1: APEX longer than anyone seemingly wants. But remember they've had

1548
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 1: this moment of the rise of Mexican MMA, and they

1549
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 1: didn't have any shows schedule, and they're they're gonna put

1550
01:10:56,720 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 1: the Performance Institute down in Mexico City and whatnot, but

1551
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 1: they don't have any shows scheduled, and it's like, man,

1552
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:04,360
Speaker 1: they're really kind of neglecting this market. And dude, how

1553
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 1: many times have we got on here and just talk

1554
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:08,720
Speaker 1: ourselves stupid about trying to explain the MMA fans. If

1555
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 1: you've not been to Vegas with a real Mexican headlining

1556
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 1: star to see what the fan base is like, you

1557
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 1: just don't know what you're missing.

1558
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:15,599
Speaker 5: Man.

1559
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:19,679
Speaker 1: It's like it's it's insane to see, like how and yes,

1560
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 1: Canelo is a big star, but again, even for someone

1561
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:24,479
Speaker 1: like David been a Vitez, they were showing up big time.

1562
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 1: So the point I'm trying to make here is, let's

1563
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 1: think about what the UFC is doing. They couldn't go

1564
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 1: to Mexico City, which I think is a botch, but BC,

1565
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 1: to your point, going on September sixteenth, which is a

1566
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 1: hollow date in Mexican national identity but also for boxing

1567
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 1: or combat sports anyway, they're going to Las Vegas, where

1568
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 1: which we know the Mexican fans will travel to. To

1569
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 1: your point, a Mexican champion in an all time against

1570
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 1: an all time great, and they're going to put it

1571
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:54,720
Speaker 1: on free TV. Dude, this is leaning in to the

1572
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:57,600
Speaker 1: Mexican audience both here and I think in Mexico in

1573
01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 1: a way that the UFC has not always been that

1574
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:02,720
Speaker 1: great at Kane Velaska has made it easy when he

1575
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 1: fought brock Lesner. I'd never seen so many Mexican American

1576
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:07,559
Speaker 1: fans at a UFC show in my life. This is

1577
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 1: them realizing there is so much more we could be

1578
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:12,680
Speaker 1: doing with that market. Let's do it the right way.

1579
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 1: I think the UFC we get on here and we

1580
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 1: beat them up all the time credit work is due.

1581
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 1: This is excellent decision making by them, and I love

1582
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 1: seeing it.

1583
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 2: I love it because it's in theory, it's so much

1584
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 2: better for the fans because it's now going down to

1585
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 2: the free show level when it could have easily been

1586
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:30,679
Speaker 2: a pay per view. I mean, they could have added

1587
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 2: more thunder to it if it was a pay per view.

1588
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:34,559
Speaker 2: But like it's got some pretty damn good fights as

1589
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 2: it is. I'm about to tell you about another one

1590
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 2: that just happened.

1591
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 1: I have one question, BC, I have one question and

1592
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:41,840
Speaker 1: I want to ask you. I have to ask you one.

1593
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 1: This is going to be a T mobile. What do

1594
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:47,240
Speaker 1: you think the ticket prices are going to be for

1595
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 1: something not on pay per view but at a big

1596
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:52,720
Speaker 1: arena that's one. Two. There is a question about what

1597
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:54,720
Speaker 1: Canela was going to do that day. He's probably not

1598
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:56,719
Speaker 1: going to fight in California because they have a big tax.

1599
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:57,639
Speaker 1: He doesn't want to go there.

1600
01:12:57,960 --> 01:12:59,719
Speaker 2: Oh, he's always here's for this weekend.

1601
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:02,080
Speaker 1: Oh right, So this is my question. If the UFC

1602
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 1: is going to be a team mobile, would Canelo go

1603
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 1: to MGM or is there a chance that he could

1604
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:09,519
Speaker 1: put a fight in the Allegiance Stadium?

1605
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 5: Wow?

1606
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 2: Okay, so I haven't heard any form of rumor, so

1607
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 2: just just a recap. Showtime has not announced anything, but

1608
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:20,840
Speaker 2: it was Mike Coppinger of ESPN in in some ways

1609
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:25,720
Speaker 2: in succession thereafter, Canelo put on his ig account that

1610
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:28,920
Speaker 2: he had signed with the PBC ESPN suddenly reporting three

1611
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:32,719
Speaker 2: fight deal Charlo up next on this date right, haven't

1612
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:35,599
Speaker 2: been announced yet. I think they would go MGM Gran.

1613
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:38,479
Speaker 2: I think that's most likely. I haven't heard any rumor

1614
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:40,439
Speaker 2: even anything in that direction of the stadium. But my

1615
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:43,600
Speaker 2: whole point has always been somebody's going to be the

1616
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:45,639
Speaker 2: first one to put a big combat event in that stadium.

1617
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:47,080
Speaker 2: I always thought it would be and gone to versus

1618
01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:50,760
Speaker 2: John Jones or you know, Spence Crawford or something like that.

1619
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:54,480
Speaker 2: No one really has Canelo versus Charlo would be at

1620
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 2: that is an interesting fight from that standpoint of trying

1621
01:13:57,160 --> 01:14:01,040
Speaker 2: to absolutely max out its commercial potential and maybe go there.

1622
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 2: I tend to see to think that wouldn't be the

1623
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 2: fight Luke, that would launch that, but that would be

1624
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 2: an interesting power move. But back to the UFC for

1625
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 2: a second, I think they continue this trend of jacking up.

1626
01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:13,639
Speaker 2: Really it feels like they are trying to max out

1627
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 2: every category financially as aggressively as possible, putting fans names

1628
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:19,680
Speaker 2: on the canvas and selling it like they're going for it.

1629
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, Luke, I think that the goal here, which

1630
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 2: is smart, as we have established, is to try to

1631
01:14:25,439 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 2: cut in aggressively into that market on the same weekend

1632
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 2: the Canelo is going to be there in a big

1633
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:33,160
Speaker 2: fight and trying to bring in people that would normally

1634
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:35,519
Speaker 2: travel for Canelo to take a swing at the UFC

1635
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:37,599
Speaker 2: one with the Mexican champion and there I think they

1636
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:40,040
Speaker 2: max it out. Are you trying to say that it

1637
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 2: might be even smarter to not go the max out

1638
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 2: direction and try to bring in as many casual fans

1639
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:46,639
Speaker 2: as possible with a lower ticket price.

1640
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:49,320
Speaker 1: I have no idea what the financials look like. Mikey

1641
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:52,719
Speaker 1: is asking, isn't it possible that Canelo could fight in Texas,

1642
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:56,839
Speaker 1: which you could not rule out Charlo from Texas obviously

1643
01:14:56,880 --> 01:15:00,000
Speaker 1: a gigantic Mexican fan base there, that seems in place.

1644
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 1: I'm just sort of.

1645
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 2: Thinking, did that do Jerry World? Yeah? That could? That

1646
01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:05,760
Speaker 2: could Jerry Wild a history of boxing in there, you.

1647
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 1: Know exactly, so you know, never underestimate Canelo's pull at

1648
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 1: the at the gate. It just creates some interesting questions

1649
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:13,680
Speaker 1: out The UFC kind of planted the flag, which they

1650
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 1: don't really do in the way. This is a very

1651
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:16,439
Speaker 1: boxing move by them.

1652
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:18,360
Speaker 2: But I like it because what have we been asking

1653
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:20,760
Speaker 2: lately of UFC when we complain and sort of talk

1654
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 2: about the state of business. We want them to be

1655
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 2: hungry and aggressive again. And it's not that they're not

1656
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:28,840
Speaker 2: hungry financially. They are as rapidly hungry as ever, almost

1657
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 2: like a desperate level. But try aggressive things that pertain

1658
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:35,920
Speaker 2: to the promotion and the presentation and all that. I

1659
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:37,679
Speaker 2: like a move like this. I like them looking around

1660
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 2: saying who are we still competing against in certain areas? Oh?

1661
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:43,960
Speaker 2: Big September and single demio dates in Vegas against boxing.

1662
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:46,760
Speaker 2: Let's go after you want your promotion to come out

1663
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 2: guns blazing, and Luke, I do like this card now,

1664
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 2: So Gastellum rock monoff great, you know, main event that

1665
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:56,200
Speaker 2: women's flyweight title rematch. And how about this fight, Luke,

1666
01:15:57,160 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 2: Tracy Cortes against Jasmine Jazz divisiats Hell. Yeah, it's a

1667
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:03,599
Speaker 2: good ass fight, right, big win for Jasmine last time

1668
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:06,680
Speaker 2: against Miranda Maverick. There's a good ass fight. And I

1669
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 2: know you're about to say disgraceful gross things to me.

1670
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 1: You want to read what I texted you about this

1671
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:12,640
Speaker 1: fight and what you were gonna do.

1672
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 2: No, but it didn't involve pants, I'll tell you that much.

1673
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 2: And how dare you?

1674
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 1: It is a great fight, justuita Vissius Jazz Divissius again,

1675
01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 1: I'm sure my pronunciation is horrific. She looked great in

1676
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 1: her last contest. Quartees we haven't seen in some time,

1677
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:29,160
Speaker 1: and I think it's a little been a little bit

1678
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:31,599
Speaker 1: more up and down of late. But to your point,

1679
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 1: good matchmaking, good contest, good clash of styles too, actually,

1680
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 1: and like body types, Yeah, that should be a fun one.

1681
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 2: Look body types really in the women's divisions.

1682
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 1: Where I mean one is longer and rangier and then

1683
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:46,519
Speaker 1: one is a little bit more compact, and that I

1684
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:49,519
Speaker 1: think whenever you get that combination on the men's side too,

1685
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:51,160
Speaker 1: it creates sort of a funny.

1686
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 2: Come here, well done there On the cover, speaking of

1687
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 2: shav caught rock monoff, Luke, we had shown that. Have

1688
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:58,800
Speaker 2: you seen the shit clip of his sister Sora? And

1689
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:01,599
Speaker 2: she is going to make her Dana White Contender Series

1690
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 2: debut September twenty six. Are you pumped up for this?

1691
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:08,840
Speaker 1: I don't think she in any way needs to go

1692
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 1: through Contender Series whatsoever. They could just sign her. It's

1693
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:16,559
Speaker 1: a waste of her time. But yeah, for ratings, the

1694
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 1: victim is going to get fed her.

1695
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:20,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, they brought back bon Nicol a second time for ratings.

1696
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:23,800
Speaker 2: I'm not against that. That's aggressive sort of, that's trying

1697
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:24,320
Speaker 2: to bring it out.

1698
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:27,839
Speaker 1: He had no experience. She has more experience. That's the difference.

1699
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 2: Okay, one fight Night thirteen, that's one championship, Luke August fourth,

1700
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 2: John Lineker against Jay Woon. I hope I pronouncing that right?

1701
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:38,840
Speaker 2: Does this do anything for you? I believe that's the

1702
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 2: one Bandam White title correct.

1703
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:46,600
Speaker 1: Mmm, No, didn't Fabricio Silva capture that?

1704
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:47,720
Speaker 2: Oh that's right.

1705
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:51,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could be wrong about that, but anyway, John

1706
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:53,280
Speaker 1: Lineker's always great to see.

1707
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:57,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, always great to see. Indeed, we should get Shatre

1708
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 2: on the show one time, we really, Luke.

1709
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:03,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's I'm not the one holding that.

1710
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:06,599
Speaker 2: Up, RSD. Chatre, said Young Tong, Luke, that'd be an

1711
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:07,559
Speaker 2: interesting chat.

1712
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, I said for Risio Silva, it's Ricio Androge.

1713
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:10,680
Speaker 1: Excuse me.

1714
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:12,800
Speaker 2: Okay, there you go, that is it.

1715
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 1: But yeah, Chawtri on the rs I mean, I'm not

1716
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 1: opposed to any of this, but you got to figure out.

1717
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 1: They got to figure out what they're doing.

1718
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:22,360
Speaker 2: So I'd have a lot to say about that Apprentice idea, Luke,

1719
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:23,599
Speaker 2: and how I can improve it for him.

1720
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:26,440
Speaker 1: Give me, give me one way to improve the Apprentice

1721
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 1: with Chatri.

1722
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 2: Have you and I as contestants on there representing morning

1723
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 2: combats first of all, Okay, first of all, that would

1724
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:33,760
Speaker 2: be it, you know, and then maybe.

1725
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 1: Here's my idea. We're going to walk into that board

1726
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 1: meeting and we're just gonna start master.

1727
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:43,360
Speaker 2: Okay, let's go to topic five, Luke, and that is your

1728
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:47,240
Speaker 2: weekend boxing preview, not a ton of big ticket stuff,

1729
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 2: but certainly some interesting stuff. It goes down on ESPN Toledo, Ohio,

1730
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 2: Saturday night when a guy that we can successfully say

1731
01:18:56,000 --> 01:19:00,040
Speaker 2: is the brightest American heavyweight prospect, not big Baby, the

1732
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 2: guy who does all the drugs, the other big baby,

1733
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:06,880
Speaker 2: Jared Anderson twenty three years old, fourteen and oh with

1734
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:11,680
Speaker 2: fourteen knockouts, had a big amateur background, can punch. He

1735
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:16,640
Speaker 2: was supposed to fight a different guy, Kazakhstan's Zon kosabutski I,

1736
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:19,720
Speaker 2: who is nineteen and oh with eighteen KOs, but on

1737
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 2: twelve days notice due to visa issues. How about this

1738
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:26,240
Speaker 2: for a last minute grab. Thirty seven year old former

1739
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:33,400
Speaker 2: IBF heavyweight champion Prince Charles Martin now Luke. Charles Martin

1740
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 2: is unfortunately always gonna have that Nico Montano like asterisk as,

1741
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:43,120
Speaker 2: one of the least heralded heavyweight champions in history. He

1742
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 2: really didn't beat any big names to get the opportunity,

1743
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:49,360
Speaker 2: and then Zark Glaskof's knee broke right in front of him,

1744
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:52,920
Speaker 2: and Glaskoff never fought again. Martin got the TKO victory,

1745
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:54,920
Speaker 2: and then a couple months later they served him up

1746
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:59,360
Speaker 2: to Anthony Joshua and he got splattered to Martin's. To Martin,

1747
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:02,280
Speaker 2: though he's made big fun fights, he lost to Adam

1748
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:05,200
Speaker 2: Kovnotchkiino war. He lost to Little reso Orties in a

1749
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:07,679
Speaker 2: pay per view war in which they both got dropped

1750
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:10,599
Speaker 2: multiple times there in twenty twenty two. I don't hate

1751
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:13,240
Speaker 2: this fight. We need to see Jared big baby Anderson

1752
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 2: start to step up. Anderson said, this isn't a step,

1753
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:19,519
Speaker 2: there's a leap from because he thinks he's gonna splatter Martin,

1754
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:22,040
Speaker 2: and he thinks Martin is gonna be way out of

1755
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 2: his depth. The odds makers agree here minus sixteen hundred

1756
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:28,200
Speaker 2: for Anderson plus nine hundred for Martin. All I'm saying

1757
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:30,160
Speaker 2: here is I kind of like the fight, though Jared's

1758
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:32,599
Speaker 2: got to take on these type of steps in advance forward.

1759
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 1: I've only I don't know much about the opponent, but

1760
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:37,760
Speaker 1: I do know a little bit about Jared and he

1761
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 1: if you haven't seen him BC, how would you describe him?

1762
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:40,639
Speaker 5: Big?

1763
01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:43,000
Speaker 1: Obviously he's a headway, but I mean he has got

1764
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 1: a huge frame.

1765
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:47,280
Speaker 2: But quick side movements, Luke, that's all.

1766
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:50,479
Speaker 1: He is quick and he's got this ridiculous kind of.

1767
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:53,720
Speaker 1: I think BC's right, he's got this quick movement and

1768
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 1: also like he's got swag like big time, like he's

1769
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:58,160
Speaker 1: got a little Most of these heavyweights are kind of

1770
01:20:58,160 --> 01:21:01,920
Speaker 1: these plotting bruisers, and he moves more like a like

1771
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:05,320
Speaker 1: a light heavyweight a little bit. He's interesting to see.

1772
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 2: I mean he should. The odds will tell you this

1773
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:10,400
Speaker 2: should be a big a big KO for him. But

1774
01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:12,880
Speaker 2: Martin does come to fight. He's been in a lot

1775
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:14,880
Speaker 2: of wars. As I mentioned, he gets up inside of

1776
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:17,759
Speaker 2: you and just keeps coming. Defense has been an issue

1777
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 2: a lot for him. But look what has really made

1778
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:22,160
Speaker 2: the rounds this week in promotion of this fight. This

1779
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 2: is I mean, it's a big opportunity for Anderson in

1780
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:26,640
Speaker 2: an ESPN main event, no question. You look at the

1781
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:30,080
Speaker 2: future of American heavyweight boxing. We need a guy like this.

1782
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:33,479
Speaker 2: But Top Rank Cameras, the promotion behind the scenes for

1783
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 2: ESPN set up a day where Roy Jones, Junior, the

1784
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:39,200
Speaker 2: great fighter and now trainer, came to the gym to

1785
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:42,479
Speaker 2: sort of counsel Anderson, and Cameras picked up this bit

1786
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 2: which has really made the rounds on social media, which

1787
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:48,040
Speaker 2: has a lot of people inspired but also asking some

1788
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 2: interesting questions. Let's listen to this.

1789
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it like this.

1790
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:55,799
Speaker 8: The Higher Power gave you more when there's more given

1791
01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:57,240
Speaker 8: more as expect.

1792
01:21:57,560 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 1: You understand it.

1793
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:03,040
Speaker 8: But it's the I understand the pressure. But God built

1794
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:04,559
Speaker 8: us different, and you just tell me that.

1795
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:05,880
Speaker 1: I'm twenty three.

1796
01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:10,040
Speaker 8: So sometime there's a lot put on us. But it's

1797
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:12,920
Speaker 8: put on us because we're the ones that can take it.

1798
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:16,599
Speaker 8: Jared may, I think he can sometime. Jared may get

1799
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:19,919
Speaker 8: messed up sometime, but Jared can wear these shoes.

1800
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:24,679
Speaker 1: That's why Jared has it. You understand me, but asks

1801
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:25,840
Speaker 1: for it too bad.

1802
01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:30,040
Speaker 8: Jared has a destiny that Jared can run from.

1803
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:31,639
Speaker 1: And Jared ain't no coward.

1804
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:33,800
Speaker 2: I would know that right.

1805
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:38,479
Speaker 1: So Jared may make up his mind and let's go.

1806
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:41,880
Speaker 8: You gotta ride that horse, son, I'm sorry, you gotta

1807
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:42,639
Speaker 8: ride that horse.

1808
01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:43,680
Speaker 1: I rode it.

1809
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:45,880
Speaker 8: You ain't gotta ride it to wheels come off, but

1810
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 8: you gotta ride it. You understand me. You gotta ride

1811
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 8: it to you get where you want to be in life.

1812
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:52,320
Speaker 8: Then you can get off of it. We're gonna ride

1813
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:57,679
Speaker 8: that horse. That's just what we gotta do. D my man,

1814
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:00,160
Speaker 8: my man.

1815
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:00,720
Speaker 1: All right.

1816
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:02,760
Speaker 2: First of all, look, we don't deserve Roy Jones. That

1817
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:04,519
Speaker 2: got me I want to ride the horse with him.

1818
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:08,799
Speaker 2: That got me fired the hell up. But what about

1819
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:13,400
Speaker 2: Anderson's demeanor facial expressions during that? Is there any early

1820
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 2: potential red flag there for you?

1821
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:16,880
Speaker 1: Why? Because he's human?

1822
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:20,519
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think so. I was moved by it,

1823
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:22,400
Speaker 2: but I got some quotes that I'll package with this

1824
01:23:22,439 --> 01:23:24,320
Speaker 2: in a second. But that has been I've sort of

1825
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:26,200
Speaker 2: seen some of that reaction, and I don't think it's

1826
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:29,000
Speaker 2: unwarranted to look in on there. I love that he

1827
01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:33,879
Speaker 2: showed us that, but you're not scared off by it, right.

1828
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 1: I didn't even consider being scared off by it, Like

1829
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:38,920
Speaker 1: am I supposed to? Let me get it? Is the

1830
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 1: idea that because he has he was crying about some

1831
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:46,719
Speaker 1: of the pressure, that he is some kind of weak character?

1832
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:47,960
Speaker 1: Is that what that means?

1833
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 2: Not surprisingly, some have reacted that way, But that's sort

1834
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:52,800
Speaker 2: of what I'm what I'm tossing up.

1835
01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean caveman react that way or guys

1836
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:57,080
Speaker 1: are like I never I never succumbed to that. Yeah,

1837
01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 1: you can bottle that stuff up and you can still succeed.

1838
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:02,360
Speaker 1: Then think you're tough from it, and some guys are

1839
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:05,840
Speaker 1: gonna feel pressures differently. But like, I can understand why

1840
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 1: he feels a lot of pressure. I can understand why

1841
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:09,479
Speaker 1: he's like, whoa, there's you know, because dude, you can

1842
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:11,639
Speaker 1: imagine what the fucking people around him are telling him about,

1843
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:13,800
Speaker 1: like you're the next big thing and blah blah blah,

1844
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:15,960
Speaker 1: Like there's probably a lot in his mind. That is

1845
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:17,519
Speaker 1: what you know. Can I live up to that kind

1846
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:19,559
Speaker 1: of shit? I think it's utterly normal. And also, you know,

1847
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 1: Roy Jones is in front of him talking like I

1848
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 1: get why athletes sometimes get emotional. I completely understand. The

1849
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:27,639
Speaker 1: question is not whether it makes him despondent. The question

1850
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:29,920
Speaker 1: is whether it lifts him in the end, and I

1851
01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:32,320
Speaker 1: suspect it's gonna lift the shit out of him in

1852
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:33,920
Speaker 1: the end, Like this idea like this makes him a

1853
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 1: weak character? Is his fucking stupid?

1854
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:37,559
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I am glad you reacted that way. I

1855
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 2: do side with that sort of way of thinking. But

1856
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 2: interesting quotes have come out of this. Let me set

1857
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:45,759
Speaker 2: the time frame here. Big Baby Anderson did an interview

1858
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:47,880
Speaker 2: with a guy we like a lot, Marcus Vegas of

1859
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:51,800
Speaker 2: Fight Hub TV. It was recorded after that Roy Jones

1860
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:55,120
Speaker 2: thing happened, but before the Roy Jones video went live.

1861
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:58,400
Speaker 2: And I encourage everybody if you care to watch this

1862
01:24:58,479 --> 01:25:00,360
Speaker 2: video at length with Marcus is a hell of an interviewer,

1863
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:02,000
Speaker 2: and I think he really did well in this. But

1864
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:04,720
Speaker 2: here's some quotes from that from Manerson. They're interesting. So

1865
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 2: Marcus said, look, what did you learn from Roy? And

1866
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:11,680
Speaker 2: Anderson gave Roy as flowers but then ultimately it was

1867
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:13,960
Speaker 2: like I didn't agree with everything he said though, and

1868
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 2: then you know, Marcus said, why, Here's what Anderson said,

1869
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:19,240
Speaker 2: Unlike other people, I don't need no validation from boxing.

1870
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:22,759
Speaker 2: If financial stability comes long before a world title, I'll

1871
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:25,479
Speaker 2: be retired. I have found a lot of joys through boxing,

1872
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:27,200
Speaker 2: but it feels like a job to me. At the

1873
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:28,960
Speaker 2: end of the day. This will pay the bills and

1874
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 2: I'll do what I have to do. But this started

1875
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:32,759
Speaker 2: to feel like a job the day I turned pro.

1876
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 2: He then told Marcus that he expects to retire by

1877
01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:39,840
Speaker 2: age twenty six or twenty seven. He's only twenty three now,

1878
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:42,000
Speaker 2: and he said, quote, I've been doing this since i

1879
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:45,000
Speaker 2: was eight, and I'm burnout. But you either use it

1880
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:47,080
Speaker 2: or you lose it. I want to have kids, and

1881
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:49,080
Speaker 2: I think boxing is one hundred percent keeping me from

1882
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:52,439
Speaker 2: having kids. I want to have nothing to do in life,

1883
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 2: and I want to go find myself.

1884
01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:55,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1885
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:57,479
Speaker 2: End quote. Now, look it was under the guise of like,

1886
01:25:57,840 --> 01:26:00,400
Speaker 2: I don't have a love for this sport anymore. I'm

1887
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:02,599
Speaker 2: doing it to make a lot of money and go.

1888
01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:03,960
Speaker 2: And he even said, Luke, he doesn't care if he

1889
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:06,640
Speaker 2: ever wins a championship, not something he's after. What do

1890
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:08,960
Speaker 2: you make of that? More?

1891
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 1: Honestly, think that is a I think that's a remarkably

1892
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:14,720
Speaker 1: honest thing. He's telling you exactly how long he's in this,

1893
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:17,240
Speaker 1: for a couple of big paydays and he's done. He

1894
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:20,560
Speaker 1: doesn't love boxing. How can dude like this shit is destructive?

1895
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:22,479
Speaker 1: It's fucking hard, and if you've been doing it since

1896
01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:25,400
Speaker 1: you're eight and now you're twenty three and you don't, Actually,

1897
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:27,639
Speaker 1: we always just want these guys to be like, oh,

1898
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:29,720
Speaker 1: I love it so much. We demand it from them.

1899
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:31,760
Speaker 1: Tell me how much you love it, tell me how

1900
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:34,080
Speaker 1: much you'll sacrifice for it, tell me how crazy you

1901
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:35,880
Speaker 1: are for it. And then we attribute that to some

1902
01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:39,400
Speaker 1: kind of like romantic grit it's you know, for some

1903
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:42,599
Speaker 1: it can be, but like those people are also like

1904
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:44,960
Speaker 1: I've said this before, man, you know, I don't have

1905
01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:47,200
Speaker 1: a lot of experience working with any kind of special

1906
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:49,880
Speaker 1: forces people in the military, but all the ones I

1907
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:53,280
Speaker 1: met were like horrific. Fathers and husbands like horrific. They

1908
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:55,680
Speaker 1: had no place in their life for anything other than

1909
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:57,679
Speaker 1: just war fighting, and that was all that they wanted

1910
01:26:57,720 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 1: to do, and it's all that they cared about. And yeah,

1911
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:01,800
Speaker 1: made him better in the end, But like this guy

1912
01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:04,320
Speaker 1: obviously cares about other things in his life. So like,

1913
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:06,559
Speaker 1: you know, can you take from that that he's going

1914
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 1: to be in this for the long haul, to push

1915
01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:10,040
Speaker 1: as hard as he can, to get as far as

1916
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:12,800
Speaker 1: he can. I would have some trepidation about that, yes,

1917
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 1: but his skill level is very high, his athleticism level

1918
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:19,920
Speaker 1: is very high, and so long as he is competing,

1919
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:23,080
Speaker 1: I suspect you're going to get a pretty good effort

1920
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:23,479
Speaker 1: out of him.

1921
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 2: He had no shortage of confidence talking about this fight

1922
01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:28,920
Speaker 2: or the future. But I did see a lot of

1923
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:30,479
Speaker 2: people at least raise their hand and be like, how

1924
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:33,240
Speaker 2: do we look at this? Very refreshing and I'm glad

1925
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:35,360
Speaker 2: you came with that angle of we're just happy he

1926
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 2: was this honest and this is human and he's just

1927
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:39,040
Speaker 2: being himself and this is what matters to him. And

1928
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:41,439
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, Luke, why should this

1929
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:45,240
Speaker 2: deep love and infatuation with something so dangerous? Why does

1930
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:47,439
Speaker 2: everybody have to be in that spot to compete? They don't.

1931
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:49,679
Speaker 2: You don't have to love this game on that level.

1932
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:54,640
Speaker 2: It can just be prize fighting to you. But you know,

1933
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:56,679
Speaker 2: you do get the reaction. I think for some people

1934
01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:59,559
Speaker 2: to question, though, does that mean he'll go through hell

1935
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:01,760
Speaker 2: in the ring in a big spot, you know what

1936
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:04,200
Speaker 2: I mean? This guy's went through hell his life to

1937
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:06,000
Speaker 2: get to this point. I don't think that's an issue,

1938
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:08,160
Speaker 2: but I don't know. It was interesting to hear that, Luke.

1939
01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:09,960
Speaker 2: It did cause me to pause and sort of look

1940
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:11,000
Speaker 2: at it from another angle.

1941
01:28:11,240 --> 01:28:15,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, would he give a Deontay Wilder effort like

1942
01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:17,479
Speaker 1: in the third Fury fight, you know what I mean?

1943
01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:21,120
Speaker 1: Does he have that kind of just completely go until

1944
01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:25,280
Speaker 1: you collapse willingness? Probably not? Probably not not many, do

1945
01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:29,439
Speaker 1: you know? I think Deontay wanted that experience out of

1946
01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:32,920
Speaker 1: that rivalry, but it didn't change his fortunes in the end.

1947
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:35,040
Speaker 1: Did it. It didn't. Actually, he didn't get a win

1948
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:37,360
Speaker 1: from all of that, did he. So you know he

1949
01:28:37,439 --> 01:28:40,439
Speaker 1: was looking for something like he wanted the joy of

1950
01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:42,679
Speaker 1: going out on his shield, whatever that meant for him.

1951
01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:45,719
Speaker 1: This guy doesn't want that. But I'm telling you right now,

1952
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:49,559
Speaker 1: like this fucking guy is skilled. He's skilled. He's gonna

1953
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:52,120
Speaker 1: beat good fighters as long as he sticks around. I

1954
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:53,679
Speaker 1: don't expect him, based on what you're saying, to stick

1955
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:56,960
Speaker 1: around very long. But you know, you can romanticize grit

1956
01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:59,040
Speaker 1: and what it gets you in the end, or you

1957
01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:01,160
Speaker 1: can just evaluate talent and what that gets you in

1958
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:03,160
Speaker 1: the end, and sometimes one matters more than the other.

1959
01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:06,599
Speaker 1: Generally speaking, skills win fights period.

1960
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:08,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just but it's alarming to see a guy

1961
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:10,439
Speaker 2: in his spot be like, I don't even have love

1962
01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:12,360
Speaker 2: for boxing. I'm just doing this for this reason that

1963
01:29:12,439 --> 01:29:14,400
Speaker 2: is that I don't even.

1964
01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:16,559
Speaker 1: Given Robbie Lawler right, even Robby Lawler is like, I

1965
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:19,479
Speaker 1: don't watch the sport, but like my happy place is there.

1966
01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:21,920
Speaker 1: That's you see that a lot. But to be like,

1967
01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:25,759
Speaker 1: I don't even like this shit, you know, he probably

1968
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:27,400
Speaker 1: is not built for the long haul in this one.

1969
01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:28,479
Speaker 1: He's gonna by the way.

1970
01:29:28,479 --> 01:29:32,559
Speaker 2: One thing Wilder did gain, whether you put value in

1971
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:35,000
Speaker 2: it or not. And Wilder always felt like people didn't

1972
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:36,960
Speaker 2: give him the proper shake, and the media and in

1973
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:39,160
Speaker 2: the fan base in some degree, I don't some of

1974
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:42,120
Speaker 2: it I don't disagree with for sure, but people love

1975
01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:44,640
Speaker 2: Wilder now, I think because he was willing to have

1976
01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:47,080
Speaker 2: that performance when remember how hated he was after the

1977
01:29:47,080 --> 01:29:49,720
Speaker 2: second Fury fight, when he kicked you know, fired his

1978
01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 2: train Mark Brielean, the assistant trainer, and made a million

1979
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:55,840
Speaker 2: excuses and whatever. I feel like that that the sea

1980
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:58,360
Speaker 2: changed and now people rightfully look at him as a

1981
01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:01,160
Speaker 2: warrior because of that. I'm I'm not saying everybody had.

1982
01:30:01,240 --> 01:30:03,320
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that that is real value to everyone,

1983
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:05,760
Speaker 2: but it seems to be big value to Wilder. So

1984
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:06,920
Speaker 2: I guess I'm the least happy he goes.

1985
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:10,080
Speaker 1: Yes, I think Wilder wanted not to lose, but if

1986
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:12,479
Speaker 1: he was gonna lose, he wanted to lose that way.

1987
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:14,840
Speaker 1: And we all know this BC. I'm not saying anything

1988
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:19,200
Speaker 1: anyone doesn't know. If who watches combat sports, we commend

1989
01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:24,040
Speaker 1: and value valor in there, which is just going until

1990
01:30:24,040 --> 01:30:26,400
Speaker 1: there's nothing left. We really value that and I think

1991
01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:28,519
Speaker 1: he had said some things in the media and all

1992
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:30,200
Speaker 1: this stuff with a couple of those fights, and he

1993
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:32,840
Speaker 1: got called a big dollsar for like five years. You know,

1994
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:34,960
Speaker 1: I think it kind of impacted his image, and that,

1995
01:30:35,080 --> 01:30:37,960
Speaker 1: to your point, rehabilitated it. But like dude, you know again,

1996
01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:40,720
Speaker 1: the place that Deontay went to in that fight. Have

1997
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:44,200
Speaker 1: you ever in your life seen Mayweather get close to that? No,

1998
01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:47,320
Speaker 1: And he had a very defensive style by a lot

1999
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:49,600
Speaker 1: of people's estimation, And you can still see that he

2000
01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:52,000
Speaker 1: gets his flowers. There are different flowers than what you're

2001
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:54,920
Speaker 1: talking about with Deontay, Yes, but I'm just pointing out

2002
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:58,240
Speaker 1: there are different lanes you can occupy in fight sports

2003
01:30:58,280 --> 01:31:01,040
Speaker 1: to get the adoration that you need. Falling on your

2004
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:04,439
Speaker 1: sword is not necessarily a requirement if you're skilled enough.

2005
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:07,160
Speaker 1: We don't know if Big Baby is that skilled, but

2006
01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:09,519
Speaker 1: so far, so good, I'll tell you that.

2007
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:12,600
Speaker 2: And even though I've often been critical of Floyd for

2008
01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:15,720
Speaker 2: certain reasons, you're usually based on decision matchmaking that kind

2009
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:18,559
Speaker 2: of stuff. Uh, he only never showed that because nobody

2010
01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:21,120
Speaker 2: made him to be fairly Ye made him a little

2011
01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:25,080
Speaker 2: bit the way that when Floyd needed to show character

2012
01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:26,840
Speaker 2: he showed it in the ring.

2013
01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:30,080
Speaker 1: He showed it. Yes, Floyd, Floyd, in the end, when

2014
01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:32,479
Speaker 1: he needed to be a bully, he actually was. It

2015
01:31:32,479 --> 01:31:34,800
Speaker 1: turns out like when he sold his biggest fights, he

2016
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:38,000
Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily bullies in those. Well maybe the Victor Ortiz fight,

2017
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:39,640
Speaker 1: I guess kind of in that one. But you know

2018
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:42,679
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, you know, there's been several fights

2019
01:31:42,680 --> 01:31:45,320
Speaker 1: like the the what would you say, are Floyd's like

2020
01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:49,840
Speaker 1: meanest wins? Who was the guy he said to stop

2021
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:51,639
Speaker 1: fucking crying and fight? Who was that guy?

2022
01:31:52,160 --> 01:31:54,720
Speaker 2: Ah? That was? I think that was DeMarcus Corley. That

2023
01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:56,479
Speaker 2: was That was sort of like a mean one. The

2024
01:31:56,880 --> 01:32:00,400
Speaker 2: zab Judah one, especially after that, especially after that freakis

2025
01:32:00,439 --> 01:32:02,160
Speaker 2: in the between the two teams late in that fight

2026
01:32:02,160 --> 01:32:05,160
Speaker 2: where it almost fell apart. Dude. I even think even

2027
01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:09,240
Speaker 2: though the Pachia fight is roasted by the casuals who

2028
01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:11,200
Speaker 2: got lured in five years in advance to pay a

2029
01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:15,840
Speaker 2: hundred bucks and see expecting Hagler, hearns right, Floyd, I

2030
01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:19,120
Speaker 2: think completely, you know, shoulder injury are not completely and

2031
01:32:19,240 --> 01:32:21,760
Speaker 2: I don't think that shoulder injury was what they said.

2032
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:25,160
Speaker 2: It was just my two cents He completely disciplined Pakia,

2033
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:27,280
Speaker 2: and he did it early. People forget he came out

2034
01:32:27,320 --> 01:32:31,840
Speaker 2: throwing big right counters right off the start, and particularly

2035
01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:33,800
Speaker 2: in the start of round eleven. I thought it was

2036
01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:36,639
Speaker 2: pretty close through ten rounds. Floyd in the lead, had

2037
01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:39,080
Speaker 2: that big round four where he hurt or sorry where

2038
01:32:39,240 --> 01:32:41,200
Speaker 2: Manny's only big moment was that round four where he

2039
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:43,599
Speaker 2: hurt Floyd. But I thought Floyd had, you know, done

2040
01:32:43,640 --> 01:32:47,200
Speaker 2: more overall, but that fight was pretty close. Entering there, Dude,

2041
01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:49,120
Speaker 2: Floyd drew the line in the sand, hit him with

2042
01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:51,240
Speaker 2: some big, common right hands, and I think Pakia was like,

2043
01:32:51,280 --> 01:32:52,600
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not going to walk. I'm not going

2044
01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:53,479
Speaker 2: to go through this lane.

2045
01:32:53,479 --> 01:32:55,360
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I mean again, I'm not

2046
01:32:55,360 --> 01:32:57,680
Speaker 1: comparing Big Baby to Floyd in the sense that like, oh,

2047
01:32:57,680 --> 01:32:59,280
Speaker 1: one guy can be just as good as the other one.

2048
01:32:59,320 --> 01:33:01,479
Speaker 1: It's not really what I'm saying. Listen, if you wanted

2049
01:33:01,479 --> 01:33:06,240
Speaker 1: to argue that eyeing a life outside of boxing and

2050
01:33:06,280 --> 01:33:09,519
Speaker 1: being resentful of it, is that really the best ingredient

2051
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:12,439
Speaker 1: to win, certainly you would not say that's the best

2052
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:14,760
Speaker 1: ingredient to win. Okay, I can understand some of the

2053
01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:16,880
Speaker 1: skepticism there about that. But what I'm just trying to

2054
01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:20,759
Speaker 1: say is I try to like guys do the dude.

2055
01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:22,840
Speaker 1: If there is one thing I have learned about fighters,

2056
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:26,960
Speaker 1: whether they're boxers, kickboxers, MMA fighters, wrestlers, you name it,

2057
01:33:27,320 --> 01:33:29,639
Speaker 1: these guys, the guys who compete for a living. They

2058
01:33:29,720 --> 01:33:32,479
Speaker 1: live and die in their own mind. You have no

2059
01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:35,479
Speaker 1: idea what Big Baby might be saying after the fight

2060
01:33:35,680 --> 01:33:38,280
Speaker 1: or in a year or whatever the case. It can

2061
01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:41,920
Speaker 1: change a lot. So again, I'm gonna evaluate the tape.

2062
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:44,120
Speaker 1: I feel like that's my best chance of getting an

2063
01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:47,800
Speaker 1: accurate look, and so far, tape looks great. Tape looks great.

2064
01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:50,200
Speaker 2: And just a reminder, Jared Anderson fighting in his hometown

2065
01:33:50,240 --> 01:33:53,960
Speaker 2: of Toledo Saturday night, so we'll see nice big homecoming form.

2066
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:55,599
Speaker 2: There's a big fight for him in terms of making

2067
01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:57,880
Speaker 2: that advancement to the next level, So we'll see what happens.

2068
01:33:58,040 --> 01:34:00,680
Speaker 2: Luke also sneaky good fight Saturday. It's gonna go down

2069
01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:04,000
Speaker 2: two pm Eastern Time in the afternoon from Manchester, England.

2070
01:34:04,200 --> 01:34:07,480
Speaker 2: ESPN Plus and Sky Sports have it. It's for the undisputed

2071
01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:11,839
Speaker 2: women Super Middleweight Championship. When the champion franchon Cruz desern

2072
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:16,320
Speaker 2: comes in as a plus three ten underdog when she

2073
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:20,040
Speaker 2: welcomes Savannah Marshall, who is minus four to twenty five. Luke,

2074
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:22,320
Speaker 2: this is for all four one sixty eight belts that

2075
01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:25,960
Speaker 2: Cruiz Desern owns. But Marshall is one of the biggest

2076
01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:28,600
Speaker 2: punchers in this sport. She's fought as big as one

2077
01:34:28,720 --> 01:34:31,720
Speaker 2: seventy five. She's twelve and one with ten KOs. The

2078
01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:35,759
Speaker 2: only defeat was at middleweight last time out against Clarissa Shields.

2079
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:38,479
Speaker 2: That was last October and she had Shields hurt. That

2080
01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:40,840
Speaker 2: was a very good ten round fight in which Shields

2081
01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:44,880
Speaker 2: winning unanimous decision. Connected to that, the only loss for

2082
01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:47,599
Speaker 2: the thirty six year old Cruz Desern was her pro

2083
01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:51,320
Speaker 2: debut against Clarissa Shields. She's won every fight since then.

2084
01:34:51,360 --> 01:34:54,920
Speaker 2: She's eight and one with two KOs. I'm gonna be

2085
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:57,120
Speaker 2: on the lookout for this, Luke. Marshall a big favor

2086
01:34:57,200 --> 01:35:00,719
Speaker 2: here against the champion. She's a big puncher. Cruise Desern

2087
01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:04,920
Speaker 2: doesn't like overwhelm and dazzle you, but she's a good

2088
01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:07,280
Speaker 2: fighter here. This could be a big night for Savannah Marshall.

2089
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:09,200
Speaker 2: At least that's what Vegas is telling us.

2090
01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:13,560
Speaker 1: I have I'll have to take your word for it,

2091
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:15,840
Speaker 1: bas Okay, Well, if you I read I read about

2092
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:19,000
Speaker 1: this one. You know Savannah Marshall had a spirited contest

2093
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:24,280
Speaker 1: with Clarissa Shields and you know, yeah, I'll just leave

2094
01:35:24,280 --> 01:35:25,360
Speaker 1: it with that, all right.

2095
01:35:25,439 --> 01:35:28,240
Speaker 2: Marshall chained by the Furies now Peter Fury is her

2096
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:30,600
Speaker 2: first fight at one sixty eight since twenty nineteen. But

2097
01:35:30,720 --> 01:35:33,360
Speaker 2: Luke Cruse deserned the thirty six year old. She's a

2098
01:35:33,400 --> 01:35:36,120
Speaker 2: little bit of a renaissance woman. She designs the fight

2099
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:38,320
Speaker 2: outfits that her and a lot of the other elite

2100
01:35:38,360 --> 01:35:42,839
Speaker 2: women's boxers have. She's also this week releasing her debut

2101
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:46,559
Speaker 2: single called Secret Place, and next year will be her

2102
01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:49,240
Speaker 2: debut album. I listened to the track It's not Bad, Luke.

2103
01:35:49,479 --> 01:35:53,320
Speaker 2: The single hit number thirty on the Music Week Commercial

2104
01:35:53,479 --> 01:35:58,160
Speaker 2: Pop Club charts in the UK last week, so her

2105
01:35:58,200 --> 01:36:00,760
Speaker 2: record producer is also her boxing from order, Peter conn

2106
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:03,439
Speaker 2: I don't know about this, Luke, but did you know

2107
01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:06,880
Speaker 2: Cruz Desern fought in a different ring back in two

2108
01:36:06,920 --> 01:36:10,200
Speaker 2: thousand and five at age seventeen, when she stepped up

2109
01:36:10,240 --> 01:36:13,080
Speaker 2: to Simon Cowell, an American idol. Let's see what happened.

2110
01:36:13,240 --> 01:36:16,960
Speaker 3: You can't be good at everything, you know what I mean.

2111
01:36:17,120 --> 01:36:18,080
Speaker 4: And you're a good book sir.

2112
01:36:19,240 --> 01:36:19,720
Speaker 5: Thank you.

2113
01:36:20,240 --> 01:36:22,720
Speaker 1: Okay, keep working on.

2114
01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:27,080
Speaker 2: Yeah they said they did her dirty there, but I

2115
01:36:27,080 --> 01:36:30,160
Speaker 2: gotta give her credit, Luke. She's since that American idol

2116
01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:32,800
Speaker 2: loss became a boxing champion. She's the undisputed queen at

2117
01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:36,120
Speaker 2: sixty eight. She's putting out her own music, she's designing shit.

2118
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:38,599
Speaker 2: Did this make you want to watch the fight more?

2119
01:36:40,040 --> 01:36:43,320
Speaker 1: Uh no, no, not at all. I mean, listen, here's

2120
01:36:43,360 --> 01:36:45,040
Speaker 1: my view BC, and I don't know if I'm right.

2121
01:36:45,320 --> 01:36:49,720
Speaker 1: I could be very wrong. The distance between men and

2122
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:55,439
Speaker 1: women's MMA is not nearly as far apart as the

2123
01:36:55,479 --> 01:36:58,760
Speaker 1: distance between men and women's boxing, both in terms of

2124
01:36:58,760 --> 01:37:01,120
Speaker 1: the quality of fights the quality fighters. But again, they

2125
01:37:01,160 --> 01:37:05,200
Speaker 1: have different rules that they use. It's I think I'm

2126
01:37:05,240 --> 01:37:07,160
Speaker 1: glad to see the growth in women's boxing, but it

2127
01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:09,840
Speaker 1: is a little bit of a hard sell if even

2128
01:37:09,880 --> 01:37:12,639
Speaker 1: someone like me has a very passing interest in things

2129
01:37:12,640 --> 01:37:16,120
Speaker 1: that aren't like Amanda Serrano or Katie Taylor or something

2130
01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:19,400
Speaker 1: Mikhaela Mayer or or you know, Bungarner related or something

2131
01:37:19,439 --> 01:37:19,800
Speaker 1: like that.

2132
01:37:20,120 --> 01:37:23,799
Speaker 2: All right, well, Cruisizer and said she's gonna dog walk Marshall.

2133
01:37:23,840 --> 01:37:27,000
Speaker 2: So we'll see what happened Saturday afternoon Sunday from Brazil

2134
01:37:27,080 --> 01:37:31,040
Speaker 2: Shooto Brazil Boxing two and he O Look the King

2135
01:37:31,080 --> 01:37:34,799
Speaker 2: of Heo. Jose Aldo will be boxing against Es esteban

2136
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:38,360
Speaker 2: Es Bindola. Will you be finding a dirty stream?

2137
01:37:39,120 --> 01:37:39,360
Speaker 1: No?

2138
01:37:40,240 --> 01:37:42,840
Speaker 2: All right, all right, well, Luke, well we go ahead

2139
01:37:42,840 --> 01:37:45,040
Speaker 2: ahead of her Friday. We call it okay Bet five

2140
01:37:45,120 --> 01:37:48,320
Speaker 2: picks main event, a favorite underdog. You know all of

2141
01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:51,040
Speaker 2: our categories. It's time to find out who's gonna end

2142
01:37:51,080 --> 01:37:52,600
Speaker 2: up at a concert they really don't want to be

2143
01:37:52,680 --> 01:37:55,800
Speaker 2: in to start twenty twenty four with MK dock cameras there.

2144
01:37:55,800 --> 01:37:58,519
Speaker 2: If as long as Jake still likes us, it's called

2145
01:37:58,960 --> 01:38:07,559
Speaker 2: okay bet. I haven't seen Jake in long ass time. Luke,

2146
01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:10,599
Speaker 2: I love that man. Last week on Okay bet, Hey, Luke,

2147
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:12,920
Speaker 2: I'm coming, you went to two and one. You had

2148
01:38:12,920 --> 01:38:15,519
Speaker 2: a fight that didn't what no contest in the heavy

2149
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:19,480
Speaker 2: off of fight, I went three and two. So overall

2150
01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:23,479
Speaker 2: Luke is forty four, forty two and three BC thirty

2151
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:26,160
Speaker 2: nine and fifty. Luke, I'm I'm I'm coming.

2152
01:38:26,320 --> 01:38:29,519
Speaker 1: I'm coming. No, You're not again. I am about as

2153
01:38:29,560 --> 01:38:32,479
Speaker 1: good as slipping a coin and you are decidedly worse.

2154
01:38:33,800 --> 01:38:35,400
Speaker 2: I want to have teeth as good as Yohanny the

2155
01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:37,439
Speaker 2: Greek one time, and that maybe if I do that, Luke,

2156
01:38:37,479 --> 01:38:40,000
Speaker 2: my my betting ability will go will go up right.

2157
01:38:40,760 --> 01:38:42,440
Speaker 1: Just get some big old chompers.

2158
01:38:42,720 --> 01:38:44,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. Remember the ending of Raiders of the Lost Ark

2159
01:38:44,720 --> 01:38:46,679
Speaker 2: when everybody melted. That's what happens when that guy opened

2160
01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:51,720
Speaker 2: his mouth. It's like bom. You know, Luke, You're made.

2161
01:38:51,800 --> 01:38:53,639
Speaker 1: He's like a nice guy. He's I love that guy.

2162
01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:56,639
Speaker 2: If I love that guy, defending champion, Luke, you get

2163
01:38:56,640 --> 01:38:57,960
Speaker 2: the choice of going first or second.

2164
01:38:58,000 --> 01:39:00,320
Speaker 1: What do you got I'll go first. I'll go first

2165
01:39:00,360 --> 01:39:02,599
Speaker 1: here for the main event, don't need to believeror the point.

2166
01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:04,400
Speaker 1: We kind of already been over this one a little bit.

2167
01:39:04,439 --> 01:39:07,519
Speaker 1: Who do we have between Sean Strickland and abus Maga Madoff.

2168
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:10,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Sean Strickland. Not a heavy favorite, don't

2169
01:39:10,160 --> 01:39:12,280
Speaker 1: actually expect him to be a heavy favorite, but I

2170
01:39:12,360 --> 01:39:15,200
Speaker 1: do think he's had slightly bet I would say I

2171
01:39:15,200 --> 01:39:18,519
Speaker 1: do think he's had better wins in general against better

2172
01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:22,000
Speaker 1: credentialed opposition. But I do think Mega Madov is gonna

2173
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:26,240
Speaker 1: make it difficult, especially early, so could be interesting. Give

2174
01:39:26,240 --> 01:39:27,080
Speaker 1: me Sean Strickland.

2175
01:39:28,240 --> 01:39:30,360
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take the underdog here, Luke, in this main event,

2176
01:39:30,439 --> 01:39:34,759
Speaker 2: abus maga Metov. Not just because he's a Doaugistani hammer

2177
01:39:34,760 --> 01:39:39,040
Speaker 2: coming off a really exciting knockout win, Luke, but I

2178
01:39:39,200 --> 01:39:42,320
Speaker 2: like his style. He's very technical, got a backbone as

2179
01:39:42,360 --> 01:39:46,280
Speaker 2: you should expect. But you know what, sometimes Strickland stays

2180
01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:49,560
Speaker 2: around too often. Sometimes he gets into firefights with a

2181
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:53,479
Speaker 2: bigger gun, Luke. I wonder if maga Metov can really

2182
01:39:53,560 --> 01:39:55,240
Speaker 2: make up. They're gonna a big chance here in this

2183
01:39:55,240 --> 01:39:58,040
Speaker 2: main event. I wonder if he can make a leap

2184
01:39:58,400 --> 01:40:01,120
Speaker 2: with the type of stoppage perform. I'm gonna ride, though.

2185
01:40:01,240 --> 01:40:03,320
Speaker 2: If you're gonna go down swinging, Luke, you might as

2186
01:40:03,360 --> 01:40:05,920
Speaker 2: well go down Dagistan because they don't go down, Luke

2187
01:40:05,960 --> 01:40:09,920
Speaker 2: unless they're taking you down. Okay, he's gonna beat Sean Strickland, Luke.

2188
01:40:09,960 --> 01:40:11,519
Speaker 2: That's what's gonna happen on Saturday.

2189
01:40:12,080 --> 01:40:15,040
Speaker 1: All right, so you say we shall see BC. We

2190
01:40:15,080 --> 01:40:19,080
Speaker 1: moved to the favorite here, and this is an interesting

2191
01:40:19,120 --> 01:40:22,320
Speaker 1: one for me. I'm not gonna sit here and you

2192
01:40:22,360 --> 01:40:25,439
Speaker 1: know tell you that I've done extensive tape study in

2193
01:40:25,479 --> 01:40:27,280
Speaker 1: either direction. But I did do a little bit on

2194
01:40:27,320 --> 01:40:29,800
Speaker 1: this one. So here is my favorite. The odds let

2195
01:40:29,800 --> 01:40:32,760
Speaker 1: me pull them up. BCE. The odds for her are

2196
01:40:33,640 --> 01:40:36,280
Speaker 1: pretty strong, but not crazy. Minus two twenty five for

2197
01:40:36,439 --> 01:40:41,559
Speaker 1: Ivana Petrovitch over the underdog, plus one eighty five Luana

2198
01:40:41,600 --> 01:40:44,840
Speaker 1: Carolina b C. Petrovitch is undefeated, but only has like

2199
01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:46,920
Speaker 1: a handful of fights. Like there, She's not exactly a

2200
01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:50,479
Speaker 1: world beater, but Luana Carolina has been deeply underwhelming, especially

2201
01:40:50,520 --> 01:40:54,200
Speaker 1: on the defensive end, and I just don't trust her

2202
01:40:54,320 --> 01:40:57,200
Speaker 1: to get a win really at all consistently in the UFC.

2203
01:40:57,400 --> 01:40:59,600
Speaker 1: So for that reason alone, give me Petrovitch.

2204
01:41:00,040 --> 01:41:02,400
Speaker 2: Okay, Luke my favorite. I'm gonna go. In that first

2205
01:41:02,520 --> 01:41:05,960
Speaker 2: bout on the UFC preliminary card, Alexander Romanov looked like

2206
01:41:06,000 --> 01:41:08,599
Speaker 2: the next big thing at heavyweight until those two straight defeats.

2207
01:41:08,600 --> 01:41:11,200
Speaker 2: He guessed out in the first. He was way out

2208
01:41:11,200 --> 01:41:13,559
Speaker 2: of shape in the second, really unexplainably out of shape

2209
01:41:13,560 --> 01:41:16,439
Speaker 2: in the second one. They're giving him Blagoy Ivanoff in

2210
01:41:16,479 --> 01:41:18,879
Speaker 2: this one. A minus one thirty five favorite is Romanov.

2211
01:41:18,920 --> 01:41:21,160
Speaker 2: But Luke, it's now or never. It's now or never,

2212
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:24,400
Speaker 2: and if it is now, he's gonna go through Evannaugh.

2213
01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:26,720
Speaker 2: He's gonna go through him. Luke, I know, I know,

2214
01:41:27,120 --> 01:41:29,559
Speaker 2: I know. Blagoy is tough as shit. You remember that

2215
01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:33,320
Speaker 2: bar incident. Luke, He's tough as shit. But it's wrong.

2216
01:41:33,439 --> 01:41:35,400
Speaker 2: It's gotta be Romanov. Now, it's gotta be his time.

2217
01:41:35,439 --> 01:41:37,679
Speaker 2: He's got to put this thing together. Uh, I'm gonna

2218
01:41:37,680 --> 01:41:39,120
Speaker 2: take him as the favorite here. Let's do it.

2219
01:41:39,200 --> 01:41:41,800
Speaker 1: Let's wrestle the hit out, all right. So for my

2220
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:44,720
Speaker 1: underdog pick of the week again, getting back to this,

2221
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:46,880
Speaker 1: I'm not exactly surprised at this, and I think it's

2222
01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:48,400
Speaker 1: honestly not even the worst thing in the world. At

2223
01:41:48,439 --> 01:41:52,960
Speaker 1: plus one seventy give me Kevin Lee. You know, I recognize, yes,

2224
01:41:53,080 --> 01:41:56,000
Speaker 1: I recognize he's in a tough fight. I recognize that.

2225
01:41:56,120 --> 01:41:58,320
Speaker 1: Like my underdog picks are uniquely bad. By the way,

2226
01:41:58,439 --> 01:42:01,000
Speaker 1: Like of those forty two losses, how many of those

2227
01:42:01,040 --> 01:42:03,960
Speaker 1: are underdog picks, probably a healthy portion. So you know,

2228
01:42:04,040 --> 01:42:05,880
Speaker 1: take this, take all this dumb shit. I'm saying with

2229
01:42:05,920 --> 01:42:08,320
Speaker 1: a grain of salt. But if I could be honest,

2230
01:42:08,360 --> 01:42:12,880
Speaker 1: I do kind of feel like, excuse me, he's gonna

2231
01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:17,240
Speaker 1: have a strong performance here, And for Kretdinov is good,

2232
01:42:17,840 --> 01:42:22,840
Speaker 1: but he's a little bit more grinder than finisher, and

2233
01:42:22,920 --> 01:42:24,439
Speaker 1: while that could be a problem for Kevin Lee, it

2234
01:42:24,479 --> 01:42:26,200
Speaker 1: also creates an opening for him as well. Give me

2235
01:42:26,280 --> 01:42:26,760
Speaker 1: Kevin Lee.

2236
01:42:26,920 --> 01:42:30,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be interested to see Kevin Lee's demeanor once

2237
01:42:30,120 --> 01:42:32,400
Speaker 2: the fight starts, and how aggressive he will be, how

2238
01:42:32,439 --> 01:42:35,240
Speaker 2: calculated he might be. But if he's gonna bounce back

2239
01:42:35,280 --> 01:42:37,160
Speaker 2: big and his back is against the wall and he

2240
01:42:37,200 --> 01:42:39,040
Speaker 2: seems to be mentally where he needs to be, and

2241
01:42:39,080 --> 01:42:41,439
Speaker 2: he's jacked his shit right now, Luke, I like this

2242
01:42:41,479 --> 01:42:43,519
Speaker 2: bet from you. I like this bet a lot. Let's

2243
01:42:43,520 --> 01:42:45,559
Speaker 2: go Kevin Lee. Let's turn this shit around, right. I mean,

2244
01:42:45,600 --> 01:42:46,920
Speaker 2: I'm allowed to chair for him. He's one of my

2245
01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:47,599
Speaker 2: favorite fighters.

2246
01:42:47,600 --> 01:42:47,880
Speaker 1: Okay.

2247
01:42:48,439 --> 01:42:50,599
Speaker 2: Oh, I did get into into the head tap business

2248
01:42:50,640 --> 01:42:52,479
Speaker 2: with him in the interview. It's a great chat. I

2249
01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:55,240
Speaker 2: like it. My underdog pick, Luke. I'm gonna go into

2250
01:42:55,240 --> 01:43:00,880
Speaker 2: the women's bandon white division. Excuse me. Yanna Santos Ney

2251
01:43:00,920 --> 01:43:04,880
Speaker 2: Kunitskaya is a plus one four or five underdog against

2252
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:08,040
Speaker 2: Carol Hosa. It's been a two fight losing skid for Santos.

2253
01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:10,280
Speaker 2: She was stopped in one of them. She did recently

2254
01:43:10,280 --> 01:43:13,360
Speaker 2: gave birth Luke and came back very quickly. But right

2255
01:43:13,360 --> 01:43:17,439
Speaker 2: now that in that power couple's house, Maheta's out of

2256
01:43:17,439 --> 01:43:20,599
Speaker 2: the tournament with PFL because the drug use Luke. They

2257
01:43:20,640 --> 01:43:22,840
Speaker 2: got to pay the bills. This is a fight she

2258
01:43:22,880 --> 01:43:25,439
Speaker 2: can win against Carol Hosta. I remember Yanna used to

2259
01:43:25,479 --> 01:43:27,120
Speaker 2: be a lead. I know she got subbed in to

2260
01:43:27,200 --> 01:43:29,640
Speaker 2: fight Chris Cyborg for that. By the way, title is

2261
01:43:29,680 --> 01:43:32,839
Speaker 2: just an opportunity fight. She's tough, she's a tough out.

2262
01:43:33,080 --> 01:43:34,800
Speaker 2: I think she's gonna come in here as focused as

2263
01:43:34,840 --> 01:43:37,680
Speaker 2: ever and get the win as a plus money underdog. Here,

2264
01:43:37,880 --> 01:43:39,439
Speaker 2: let's do it. I'm gonna win. I got this.

2265
01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:41,960
Speaker 1: It's good, all right. So for over under I have

2266
01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:45,719
Speaker 1: Romanov and Ivanov, the one you picked previously for your favorite.

2267
01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:49,519
Speaker 1: I have that going the distance. Now it's a heavyweight fight.

2268
01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:51,040
Speaker 1: And you're like, wow, you picked a heavyweight fight to

2269
01:43:51,040 --> 01:43:53,000
Speaker 1: go to the distance. That seems like a really bad idea.

2270
01:43:53,120 --> 01:43:55,599
Speaker 1: Probably so probably why I have forty two l's on

2271
01:43:55,600 --> 01:43:58,479
Speaker 1: that fucking column. But nevertheless, hey, look, you don't have.

2272
01:43:58,439 --> 01:44:01,080
Speaker 2: To defend underdog picks. This is a betting segment. You're

2273
01:44:01,080 --> 01:44:02,719
Speaker 2: trying to make people money. You don't have to defend

2274
01:44:02,800 --> 01:44:05,200
Speaker 2: that that you know you may be wrong. Yeah, it's

2275
01:44:05,200 --> 01:44:08,040
Speaker 2: a fucking gambling That's what it is, dude. Rot Okay,

2276
01:44:08,240 --> 01:44:09,120
Speaker 2: no more disclaimer.

2277
01:44:09,640 --> 01:44:13,200
Speaker 1: Your attitude, Your attitude has resulted in a shitty record,

2278
01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:15,680
Speaker 1: has resulted.

2279
01:44:15,320 --> 01:44:19,639
Speaker 2: In I'm coming out swinging. Okay, no disclaiming coming out.

2280
01:44:19,680 --> 01:44:21,600
Speaker 1: No, you aren't you coming out. You're coming out bankrupt,

2281
01:44:21,640 --> 01:44:24,160
Speaker 1: You're coming out two elephant ears out of those pockets.

2282
01:44:24,280 --> 01:44:27,120
Speaker 2: Get off defence. I know you like the way it feels.

2283
01:44:29,400 --> 01:44:30,519
Speaker 2: Stand by your man.

2284
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:36,439
Speaker 1: Okay, picking confidently stupid things is not a show of strength.

2285
01:44:36,520 --> 01:44:37,680
Speaker 1: It's a show of idiocy.

2286
01:44:37,800 --> 01:44:39,760
Speaker 2: But okay, it's a show of professionalism.

2287
01:44:40,360 --> 01:44:44,800
Speaker 1: It's a show of idiocy. Romanov Ivanov two heavyweights. The

2288
01:44:44,840 --> 01:44:48,040
Speaker 1: thing is this, Ivanov is not so overwhelming that I

2289
01:44:48,080 --> 01:44:51,559
Speaker 1: think that well, Romanov kind of has been underperforming. But

2290
01:44:51,640 --> 01:44:54,120
Speaker 1: even with that, should be able to resist. He's like

2291
01:44:54,280 --> 01:44:56,360
Speaker 1: real crafty, Like he's hard to put away, he's hard

2292
01:44:56,360 --> 01:44:58,920
Speaker 1: to hurt, he's hard to land on consistently. And I

2293
01:44:58,960 --> 01:45:01,160
Speaker 1: feel like he's going to be careful about locking up

2294
01:45:01,200 --> 01:45:03,800
Speaker 1: with Romanov anyway, which means it might be on the outside.

2295
01:45:03,960 --> 01:45:05,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I feel like that one has

2296
01:45:05,240 --> 01:45:07,799
Speaker 1: a decent chance for a heavyweight contest to go the distance.

2297
01:45:07,880 --> 01:45:08,439
Speaker 1: That's my pick.

2298
01:45:08,840 --> 01:45:10,800
Speaker 2: Okay, look my over under. I'm going to try to

2299
01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:12,679
Speaker 2: get a cherry picking lay up here to stay close

2300
01:45:12,720 --> 01:45:15,839
Speaker 2: in the standings. How about Arion Libski versus Melissa Gatto

2301
01:45:16,240 --> 01:45:19,120
Speaker 2: at UFC Vegas will not go the distance because I

2302
01:45:19,120 --> 01:45:22,120
Speaker 2: think like seventy two percent of the time UFC women's

2303
01:45:22,120 --> 01:45:24,840
Speaker 2: fights don't go the distance, and until we outlaw this

2304
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:27,519
Speaker 2: abuse of it with the guy behind on the standing

2305
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:29,400
Speaker 2: should be allowed to kind of hang back on defense

2306
01:45:29,439 --> 01:45:31,720
Speaker 2: and score one. Right, Yeah, do you.

2307
01:45:31,840 --> 01:45:36,000
Speaker 1: Think you would think, all right, last, but not least

2308
01:45:36,040 --> 01:45:38,599
Speaker 1: b s this one. You know, I'm sandbaging. You got

2309
01:45:38,600 --> 01:45:41,240
Speaker 1: to put a few sandbags in there, So that's what

2310
01:45:41,280 --> 01:45:43,599
Speaker 1: I'm doing. He's the biggest favorite on the car Joe

2311
01:45:43,640 --> 01:45:46,880
Speaker 1: Anderson Brito taking on Weston Wilson. Western Wilson is a

2312
01:45:47,080 --> 01:45:50,880
Speaker 1: plus eight hundred underdog Brito minus fourteen hundred. So I

2313
01:45:50,920 --> 01:45:53,360
Speaker 1: couldn't pick it straight up because obviously the odds are insane.

2314
01:45:53,400 --> 01:45:55,720
Speaker 1: So I'll say this one, Brito has a possibility of

2315
01:45:55,720 --> 01:45:59,200
Speaker 1: winning in either direction. Give it to me, Britol winning

2316
01:45:59,320 --> 01:46:03,719
Speaker 1: via sun. He has that capacity as well. Wilson probably

2317
01:46:03,720 --> 01:46:05,479
Speaker 1: should not even be fighting in the UFC if we

2318
01:46:05,520 --> 01:46:10,639
Speaker 1: could be cantid. But there we are, all.

2319
01:46:10,600 --> 01:46:13,519
Speaker 2: Right, Luke, my finish one. I'm gonna lean on ko

2320
01:46:13,720 --> 01:46:15,640
Speaker 2: Here and I'm gonna go to UFC Vegas for it,

2321
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:19,120
Speaker 2: Max Payne, Griffin against the finisher himself, Michael Morales. Luke,

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Speaker 2: we haven't seen Griffin stopped in a UFC fight since

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Speaker 2: Hoby Covington in twenty sixteen. But Morales comes after it.

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Speaker 2: Griffin's thirty seven. He's been in a lot of decisions

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Speaker 2: of late. But I'm gonna roll the dice on a

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Speaker 2: ko here. It can go either way and I get credit,

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Speaker 2: Go under it, go knockout Griffin. Morales, all right, that's

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01:46:37,800 --> 01:46:39,800
Speaker 2: that bullshit, Luke. I hope I come back. I hope

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Speaker 2: people make money off of it. Before we close with

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Speaker 2: Dead wrong though, we did that great Room Service Diaries

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01:46:46,600 --> 01:46:49,479
Speaker 2: interview with Paul Craig when we were in London back there,

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01:46:49,479 --> 01:46:51,800
Speaker 2: and sometimes, Luke, some of our funny bits end up

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Speaker 2: getting aggregated and spread around the Internet, which we love

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01:46:54,840 --> 01:46:58,400
Speaker 2: to see. One of those was Paul Craig talking about

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01:46:58,520 --> 01:47:02,160
Speaker 2: Johnny Walker bringing his dog to Ireland and setting the

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Speaker 2: world on fire. Maybe it wasn't Ireland. Maybe it was Scotland.

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Speaker 2: I don't remember. Let's let's let's see this aggregated video.

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Speaker 7: Johnny Walker actually stayed up in Scotland Peedi of that time.

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01:47:11,680 --> 01:47:13,920
Speaker 7: He stayed up about being right up and north of Scotland,

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01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:17,960
Speaker 7: and he just shagged his way through Scotland. There must

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Speaker 7: be about thirty kids up there on his heads, like

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01:47:20,040 --> 01:47:22,680
Speaker 7: I'm probably starting rumors, but they did stay up there,

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01:47:22,760 --> 01:47:25,560
Speaker 7: and the rumors about the town was he was a

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01:47:25,960 --> 01:47:26,840
Speaker 7: boy looks better in.

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01:47:26,880 --> 01:47:27,400
Speaker 1: Laws like that.

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01:47:27,479 --> 01:47:31,880
Speaker 2: He visits it, he bless him just laying pipe. You know, everywhere.

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Speaker 7: You've got to got to respect that. You got to

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01:47:34,560 --> 01:47:36,680
Speaker 7: respect that. You've got to pass on the jeans.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I don't know if I have to

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01:47:38,479 --> 01:47:40,320
Speaker 1: respect it as much like you be jealous of it.

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01:47:40,479 --> 01:47:48,320
Speaker 2: But luke. Johnny Walker replied to this brawl season aggregated

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01:47:48,439 --> 01:47:52,280
Speaker 2: video and response to Paul Craig said, I used the condom.

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01:47:52,360 --> 01:47:56,080
Speaker 2: No worries. My gens is for the right one.

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01:47:56,240 --> 01:47:58,600
Speaker 1: What is what I think he means jeans.

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01:47:58,600 --> 01:48:01,559
Speaker 2: Oh, my genes is for the one. So Johnny Walker

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01:48:01,640 --> 01:48:05,479
Speaker 2: has confirmed Paul Craig's story to us on RSD that

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01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:08,240
Speaker 2: he indeed laid pipe all over Scotland.

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01:48:09,680 --> 01:48:13,680
Speaker 1: Just you know, condom suck, but they do keep you

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01:48:13,800 --> 01:48:17,320
Speaker 1: out of your paycheck getting screwed over right.

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Speaker 2: Oh nice editorial from Luke Thomas. Yeah, yeah, well.

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Speaker 1: Do I've been married for a long time, but doing

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01:48:22,880 --> 01:48:24,320
Speaker 1: in the life of fourteen years, I haven't used the

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Speaker 1: condom in a long time.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that was That was a t of my moment, Luke. Okay,

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01:48:28,960 --> 01:48:31,519
Speaker 2: three needles over here, big t of my moment, but

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01:48:32,360 --> 01:48:35,920
Speaker 2: gross as shit, Luke Thomas, thank you, Luke that I'll

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01:48:35,960 --> 01:48:38,160
Speaker 2: dead wrong you in the moment for being so grave.

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01:48:38,240 --> 01:48:41,200
Speaker 2: But we have a email address that allows the fans

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Speaker 2: to do that to us Morning Combat at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 2: This one's called then wrong.

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Speaker 5: M.

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Speaker 2: We only have one of them here. We like to

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01:48:55,360 --> 01:48:58,120
Speaker 2: stand trial every Friday and and you know, stand up

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01:48:58,160 --> 01:49:00,760
Speaker 2: to these allegations against us. This one's from my during

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01:49:00,760 --> 01:49:03,640
Speaker 2: the June twenty third show the BBC with the CTE

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01:49:04,320 --> 01:49:08,200
Speaker 2: and the HPV was dead wrong that.

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Speaker 1: The HPV is a nice one. Dude. People don't talk

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01:49:11,920 --> 01:49:13,120
Speaker 1: enough about HPV, that's all.

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Speaker 2: Can you explain that for me, Luke, I don't know

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01:49:15,120 --> 01:49:15,599
Speaker 2: what HPV.

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01:49:15,720 --> 01:49:18,240
Speaker 1: It's a it's well, it actually can cause problems, especially

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01:49:18,280 --> 01:49:20,680
Speaker 1: for women. But it is a sexually transmitted disease. It's

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01:49:20,720 --> 01:49:21,960
Speaker 1: not OK, it's different.

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01:49:22,000 --> 01:49:26,400
Speaker 2: But yeah, just say clemtia next time, please that do dooo.

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01:49:26,400 --> 01:49:31,240
Speaker 2: Head dummy said that Anatony anatoly Mallikin had to make

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01:49:31,280 --> 01:49:34,599
Speaker 2: two oh five to fight RDR, when he in fact

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01:49:34,800 --> 01:49:37,960
Speaker 2: had to make two twenty five. Since this is one

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01:49:38,000 --> 01:49:41,360
Speaker 2: heavy one's light heavyweight limit BC is a fucking casual.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Michael. I think on that same episode, I

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01:49:43,439 --> 01:49:47,880
Speaker 2: also mentioned the rehydration limit or the the one weight

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01:49:48,160 --> 01:49:49,920
Speaker 2: you know, but whatever, You're right. If I said it,

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01:49:49,920 --> 01:49:51,559
Speaker 2: I said it, Luke. I say a lot of dumb

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01:49:51,560 --> 01:49:52,320
Speaker 2: shit all the time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, all of them don't realize how much dumb

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01:49:54,439 --> 01:49:56,800
Speaker 1: should they say until they have a job where it's

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01:49:56,840 --> 01:49:58,960
Speaker 1: on camera and then you're like, wow, holy shit.

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01:49:59,080 --> 01:50:00,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like it's a mad I mean, I just

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01:50:01,040 --> 01:50:03,160
Speaker 2: diarrhea of the mouth. If only I would die, Luke,

2399
01:50:03,200 --> 01:50:05,000
Speaker 2: this show could be really what it was supposed to be.

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01:50:05,160 --> 01:50:07,320
Speaker 2: Right all you see all the time.

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01:50:07,560 --> 01:50:10,080
Speaker 1: I have great newsby see, the state of Maryland, as

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01:50:10,120 --> 01:50:13,360
Speaker 1: of tomorrow, as of tomorrow morning, is going to now

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01:50:13,439 --> 01:50:14,640
Speaker 1: legally sell marijuana.

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01:50:15,240 --> 01:50:19,320
Speaker 2: Oh wow, wow, Okay, all right, who's your favorite person

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01:50:19,320 --> 01:50:20,120
Speaker 2: from Maryland? Ever?

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01:50:20,920 --> 01:50:26,960
Speaker 1: Ooh, that's a great well man, that's a great question.

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01:50:29,000 --> 01:50:33,280
Speaker 1: Can you say Len Bias is he from Bias? Well?

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01:50:33,320 --> 01:50:36,559
Speaker 1: He played at the University of Maryland, right, I mean, yes, I.

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01:50:36,479 --> 01:50:38,639
Speaker 2: Don't know if he's from Maryland, Luke, but I think.

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01:50:38,439 --> 01:50:40,920
Speaker 1: He might be from Where is Len Bias from? Actually

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01:50:40,960 --> 01:50:42,760
Speaker 1: I don't. I think he grew up in the area. Right.

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01:50:43,800 --> 01:50:47,080
Speaker 2: Do you imagine what what the what the eighty six

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01:50:47,360 --> 01:50:49,280
Speaker 2: dash eighty seven Celtics would have looked at?

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01:50:49,439 --> 01:50:52,320
Speaker 1: Dude, he's from Greater landover Maryland. He was born in Maryland, like,

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01:50:52,680 --> 01:50:55,080
Speaker 1: died in Maryland. Yeah, dude, he's a Maryland guy, Len Bias,

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01:50:55,120 --> 01:50:56,160
Speaker 1: give me Alen Bias all day.

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Speaker 2: I mean, do you realize that this after he died,

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01:50:57,880 --> 01:51:00,000
Speaker 2: the Celtics still went to the finals the next season,

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01:51:00,080 --> 01:51:03,320
Speaker 2: lost to the Lakers. They were in it, and they

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01:51:03,360 --> 01:51:05,519
Speaker 2: in the eighty eight playoffs before Bird broke down in

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01:51:05,560 --> 01:51:07,679
Speaker 2: eighty nine and they kind of went into the old Land.

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01:51:08,360 --> 01:51:10,519
Speaker 2: Could you imagine seriously what those eighty six eighty seven

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01:51:10,520 --> 01:51:12,599
Speaker 2: Celtics were to look like? Seriously with Bias coming off

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01:51:12,640 --> 01:51:15,120
Speaker 2: the bench, like he used to have shootouts with Jordan

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01:51:15,160 --> 01:51:18,120
Speaker 2: and the acc I mean that guy was a stud yeah,

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01:51:18,920 --> 01:51:21,080
Speaker 2: ud stud.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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01:51:22,120 --> 01:51:24,840
Speaker 2: All right, Mikey upset that I purposely dragged this out

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01:51:24,840 --> 01:51:26,920
Speaker 2: to two hours. No, I just make great content. Okay,

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01:51:27,000 --> 01:51:30,120
Speaker 2: the art spilled, the cup runneth over today. Thank you

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01:51:30,120 --> 01:51:32,439
Speaker 2: to Mike mor Mile behind the scenes. Uh, don't forget

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01:51:32,439 --> 01:51:36,599
Speaker 2: about our merch house Morningcombat dot Store. RJ is back.

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01:51:36,640 --> 01:51:38,840
Speaker 2: He's got his own consulting company. We love that man,

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01:51:39,000 --> 01:51:42,559
Speaker 2: I believe, Luke. Officially he starts back on next week,

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01:51:42,920 --> 01:51:46,759
Speaker 2: so the merch is about to is about to erect. Okay,

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01:51:46,840 --> 01:51:49,200
Speaker 2: there you go right there. Showtime dot com, the label

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01:51:49,200 --> 01:51:51,920
Speaker 2: that pays get your thirty days free today. You won't

2438
01:51:51,960 --> 01:51:53,479
Speaker 2: you won't hate it, I'll tell you that much. You

2439
01:51:53,520 --> 01:51:54,599
Speaker 2: may even love it too.

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01:51:54,960 --> 01:51:55,080
Speaker 3: Uh.

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01:51:55,200 --> 01:51:57,960
Speaker 2: That's Luke Thomas. I'm Brian Campbell. Anything else for the people, Luke.

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01:51:58,640 --> 01:52:01,040
Speaker 1: Uh, it's the fourth of July. Well not quite yet,

2443
01:52:01,120 --> 01:52:03,680
Speaker 1: but however, you celebrate. If you're setting off fireworks this

2444
01:52:03,760 --> 01:52:06,000
Speaker 1: week and I know every weekend, I should say. Every

2445
01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:09,599
Speaker 1: state is different. Just don't set shit on fire. Please

2446
01:52:09,640 --> 01:52:11,320
Speaker 1: be reasonably careful with it.

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01:52:11,360 --> 01:52:15,120
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, okay in the restroom either after a full

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01:52:15,200 --> 01:52:18,519
Speaker 2: day of dogs and Burgers, because that's the American way. Luke,

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01:52:18,960 --> 01:52:22,160
Speaker 2: we will have a show Monday, July third, at the

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01:52:22,160 --> 01:52:24,680
Speaker 2: regular eleven am Eastern Star Time. It's a it's a

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01:52:24,760 --> 01:52:26,880
Speaker 2: mail bag of your questions, a lot of mail and

2452
01:52:27,000 --> 01:52:29,679
Speaker 2: that show. That's about all I got though for Luke Thomas,

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01:52:29,760 --> 01:52:32,960
Speaker 2: BC MK, Mikey Morms, all the great people, Courtney mag

2454
01:52:32,960 --> 01:52:34,880
Speaker 2: all the great people that put their heart and soul

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01:52:34,920 --> 01:52:37,439
Speaker 2: into this, and all you people looking back through us.

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Speaker 2: If you're an American, enjoy the weekend. My morning jacket, tonight,

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Speaker 2: get it done, big father moment, and we are out