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Speaker 1: Everyone on the road seemed to be in a hurry,

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Speaker 1: Mimi Garcia. Mimi had been managing the Justice for Daisy

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Speaker 1: instagram account along with one of Daisy's friends. Together, they'd

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Speaker 1: been sifting through dms from people who claimed they'd spotted Victor.

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Speaker 1: They didn't want to overwhelm Susie or give her false hope,

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Speaker 1: so they only passed along the most promising leads. Susie

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Speaker 1: knew this, and now she was anxious to know why

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Speaker 1: Mimi was calling, but her cousin was insistent that she

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Speaker 1: that's when her cousin shared the news. Somebody had messaged

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Speaker 1: the Justice for Daisy instagram account, and this person said

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Speaker 1: Actually he knew Billy. That's the name Victor was apparently

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Speaker 1: going by. They worked together at a bar in Mexico,

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Speaker 1: and he had a video to prove it. Susie was confused.

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Speaker 1: Tons of people had reported seeing Victor around La so

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Speaker 1: but there was a catch. The guy who offered it

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Speaker 1: it somewhere else. Susie was skeptical. It was a huge

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Speaker 1: and he came up with a solution. He said he'd

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Speaker 1: when she called Susie. She needed her to look at

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Speaker 1: When it did, she immediately opened it. The resolution wasn't great,

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Speaker 1: This man so casually smoking a cigarette at a bar.

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Speaker 1: This was the man who had murdered her daughter. I'm

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Speaker 1: Jen Swan from London Audio iHeartRadio an executive producer, Paris Hilton.

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Speaker 1: This is my Friend Daisy, episode seven Karma. Seeing Victor

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Speaker 1: in that photo, Susie told me it did something to her.

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Speaker 1: Those were the words that she used in our interview.

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Speaker 1: It did something to me. There was something about how

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Speaker 1: That just drove Susie crazy. Before seeing that screenshot, she

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Speaker 1: But whatever she pictured, it was not this Victor in

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Speaker 1: There was something else about it that really did not

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Speaker 2: It's called Papa's and Beer. Maybe you've heard of it.

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Speaker 1: It's not this like underground hole in the walls Eye Bar.

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Speaker 1: It's one of the most popular nightclubs in all of Baja,

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Speaker 1: her cousin had texted to her. I had a phone

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Speaker 1: conversation with this guy over WhatsApp, and maybe they shouldn't

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Speaker 1: events with me. Anyway, Susie sent this screenshot to Detective

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Speaker 1: Luco right after Mimi had sent it to her. This

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Speaker 1: was the big tip they'd been waiting for, but when

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Speaker 1: energized about this tip as she was. Luco said he'd

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Speaker 1: already gotten a tip of his own, and the last

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Speaker 2: Again.

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Speaker 1: Susie was told to wait, to calm down, to sit

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Speaker 2: She'd heard that before.

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Speaker 1: Earlier that morning, Detective Sanchez wasn't a meeting at the

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Speaker 3: The phone at my desk rings, and I didn't want

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Speaker 1: Okay, I haven't been able to speak to this woman,

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Speaker 1: and I haven't heard this voicemail. Sancho said, it doesn't

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Speaker 3: I called the lady back. When I called the lady back,

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Speaker 3: the ring tone was odd. It was in a regular ringtone.

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Speaker 1: Me from Mexico? She was calling from Rosarito, Mexico. She

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Speaker 3: Somehow they saw our flyer and recognize Victor Sosa as

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Speaker 3: one of the employees at that bar, that he had

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Speaker 3: last saw him. I think like the day prior said Okay.

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Speaker 1: Sanchez wrote down the name and location of the bar,

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Speaker 3: When a cellphone ring Friday morning, which would have been

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Speaker 3: July second, probably ten ten eleven, am ish, I get

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Speaker 3: a phone call from our office. I want to transfer

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Speaker 3: a phone call to me some camadante from some police

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Speaker 1: Sanchez was about to leave on a family vacation to Mexico,

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Speaker 1: of all places, and like most American workers on the

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Speaker 3: I said, okay, just transferhim. I didn't know, I didn't

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Speaker 3: calling about. And he identifies himself has some commandanta for

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Speaker 3: the Rosa Rito Police Department. That's when I kind of clicked,

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Speaker 3: oh man, and he says, hey, are you looking for

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Speaker 3: Victor Sosa? Yeah, says I have him.

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Speaker 1: The Rosa Rito Police Department had Victor Sosa.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember how you were feeling when you got

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Speaker 3: Kind of been like, holy crap.

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Speaker 2: Holy crap.

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Speaker 1: The murder suspect that had been on the run for months,

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Speaker 1: find the so called shadow, the Richard Ramirez look alike,

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Speaker 1: he'd suddenly fallen right into Sanchez's lap.

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Speaker 3: It's not the first time since I've been here that

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Speaker 3: I've either scheduled a vacation or I've had I could

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Speaker 3: I've gotten a call and said, hey, we arrested your guy.

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Speaker 3: You know, It's like, oh my god, now.

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Speaker 1: What the commandante had Victor transported to the border. There,

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Speaker 1: They located the warrant that sheriffs had filed for his

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Speaker 3: I got a call from the CBP officer said, hey,

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Speaker 3: we have Victor social and custody. I said, outstanding.

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Speaker 1: Sanchez arranged to have a detective with the Sheriff's Fugitive

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Speaker 3: Remember this is fourth of July weekend, so anybody driving south,

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Speaker 1: It meant that Sanchez and his partner Lugo had some

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Speaker 1: time to prepare for their interrogation. They got suited up,

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Speaker 1: they reviewed the evidence they'd collected, the interviews they'd done,

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Speaker 1: Sanchez was filled with anxious energy. He was trying to

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Speaker 1: say and how to get a confession out of an

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Speaker 3: I remember getting ready to go try to interview. I'm thinking, Okay,

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Speaker 3: so that he could tell me what happened that night? Right?

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Speaker 3: What's the angles I'm going to hit this guy with?

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Speaker 2: How did you decide? What was your approach?

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Speaker 1: So?

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Speaker 3: I didn't want to come in too strong, right, because

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Speaker 3: because I'd seen some pictures of him. He looked obviously

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Speaker 3: But I didn't want to come too strong to get

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Speaker 1: But when Victor walked through the door of the Sheriff's station,

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Speaker 1: he didn't look like he was going to overtake anything.

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Speaker 3: When I saw him, he just he seemed very when

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Speaker 3: something like that, but he looked he looked scared, right like.

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Speaker 1: Victor's bail was set at two million dollars. The booking

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Speaker 1: Her name is Rebecca Flantez, she posted a duet with

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Speaker 4: But now we need all the help we can get.

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Speaker 3: We need all of you guys to meet up to

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Speaker 1: Location in the comments. The next day, Daisy's mother and

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Speaker 1: It was July sixth, the day of Victor's arraignment.

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Speaker 5: We're on live, we're on live, recording live.

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Speaker 1: As comments trickled in on the live stream, Rebecca turned

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Speaker 5: We're now waiting for the hearing. It should be anytime soon. Now,

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Speaker 5: I'm praying for gus. Thank you I mean, we're being

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Speaker 5: Remember my friend's name. Hello. Yes, thank you guys for

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Speaker 1: When the hearing started, Victor was read his charges first

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Speaker 1: But all right, she said, I guess you just want

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Speaker 1: It meant that this case was going to trial. When

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Speaker 1: Susie gave an interview to the local ABC seven news station.

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Speaker 2: It's a coward. He knows exactly what he did.

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Speaker 6: He took a part of my soul, and I can

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Speaker 1: They didn't show any of the events to any any

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Speaker 3: That these keys hit the store, is a snife belong

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Speaker 1: forensic specialists, I mean they were professionals who had taken

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Speaker 1: their job to talk about their work, even if it

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Speaker 1: was gruesome. But it was the interrogation of Daisy's neighbors

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Speaker 1: that was really hard to stomach. The people who together

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Speaker 1: made up this portrait of Daisy's community. There was Jose Tayas,

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Speaker 1: the building manager, Juan de le O, Daisy's grandfather, and

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Wendy Veldbas's son. Like For example, when Jose took

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Speaker 1: the stand, AJ repeatedly asked him if he'd seen Daisy

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Speaker 1: and Victor having sex a blanket outside the apartment complex.

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Speaker 1: And it was this line of questioning. I think that

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Speaker 1: was meant to argue that the two of them were

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Speaker 1: in this loving, consensual relationship, basically that Victor had no

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Speaker 1: motive to kill Daisy. But each time AJ asked the question,

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Speaker 1: Jose insisted that he didn't see any sexual relations between them.

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Speaker 1: He said, through an interpreter, I cannot say that I

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Speaker 1: didn't see that, and then AJ just kept asking. At

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Speaker 1: one point he even said, you know what a zipper

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Speaker 1: sounds like?

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Speaker 2: Is that correct?

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Speaker 1: Yes, I suppose I do, said Jose, all right, great,

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Speaker 1: did you hear zipper, Aj asked, maybe you know where

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Speaker 1: this is headed, and I'll just say that. The questioning

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Speaker 1: became more graphic and more upsetting from there. When one

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Speaker 1: took the stand, AJ pointed out that he wasn't wearing

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Speaker 1: his eyeglasses the night he saw this shadowy figure in

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Speaker 1: the window of his apartment. He said there was no

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Speaker 1: way that one could be sure that it was Victor

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Speaker 1: he saw. At one point later on, Aj told the jury,

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Speaker 1: so you have mister Dello, I feel that point of course,

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Speaker 1: would you want mister McGoo in your case to make

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Speaker 1: an id if you didn't catch that. Victor's public defender

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Speaker 1: referred to Daisy's grandfather as mister Magoo, you know, the

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Speaker 1: cartoon character with comically bad vision. Even Jeffrey, who was

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Speaker 1: fourteen at the time, was questioned about his eyesight, about

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Speaker 1: the fact that he'd walked past Daisy and Victor that

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Speaker 1: same night, but he couldn't make out their faces. He

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Speaker 1: didn't stop to look at them, he didn't peer at

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Speaker 1: them from out the window, and when he was leader

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Speaker 1: shown the six pack, the defense attorney pointed out he

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Speaker 1: did not pick the photo of Victor, but Jeffrey kept

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Speaker 1: his focus he answered all the questions, and when he

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Speaker 1: didn't understand the questions, he simply said. So it was

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Speaker 1: unusual to see a child testifying at a murder trial.

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Speaker 1: I mean, according to Lugo, it was almost unheard of

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Speaker 1: in Compton.

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Speaker 7: Nobody had their child testifying.

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Speaker 1: Nobody. Wendy told me that Jeffrey had insisted on it,

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Speaker 1: that he wasn't scared of retribution, that he knew it

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Speaker 1: was the right thing to do. But the most surprising

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Speaker 1: testimony it didn't come from Jeffrey. It didn't come from

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Speaker 1: anyone who lived at the apartment complex with Daisy, or

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Speaker 1: anyone who examined her body on a medical table. It

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Speaker 1: came from someone who had only met her a couple

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Speaker 1: of times. And Victor well, she'd known him his whole life,

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Speaker 1: she'd given birth to him, and somewhat incredibly, she had

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Speaker 1: agreed to testify against.

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Speaker 2: Him next time.

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Speaker 4: On my friend Daisy, I have compassion for the position

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Speaker 4: that she is in. That I am asking her to

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Speaker 4: testify against her son, and that's not an easy thing

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Speaker 4: to do. Think about, like, how terrible that must feel.

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Speaker 7: Hi, everyone, this is Paris. Thanks for listening to my

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Speaker 7: friend Daisy. If you are someone you love is experiencing abuse.

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