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Speaker 1: kind of a flex, Mick. Welcome into Talking Cowboys. It's
Speaker 1: a blue Friday for sure. Cowboys lose to the Chicago
Speaker 1: Bears at Soldier Field last night, thirty one, twenty four.
Speaker 1: We're here with you for the next forty five minutes.
Speaker 1: A lot to unpack, a lot of frustration from the
Speaker 1: fan base and guys, that's um, that's warranted. Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: is frustrated. We just heard him on the fan with
Speaker 1: his his his weekly Friday hit, and there's just a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of disappointment, a lot of frustration
Speaker 1: inside this building right now and outside this building. Cowboys
Speaker 1: at six and seven, ever soon they still have a
Speaker 1: half game lead in this division. But it's the second
Speaker 1: three game losing streak of the season. I'm wow, It's
Speaker 1: it's really wow. I did not know that. It's really
Speaker 1: hard to believe, isn't it that they're at this point
Speaker 1: right now? It feels like it's a beautiful day outside.
Speaker 1: I mean it's a beautiful day. It's all right, a
Speaker 1: t g if I feel like a Monday and feel
Speaker 1: like it's storming outside. So like that's that's the way
Speaker 1: my body feels right now. That's the body language. This
Speaker 1: is bad. That's after. That's because you just watched the
Speaker 1: night Maryland. Well, you know, it reminds me this this team,
Speaker 1: this feeling reminds me of A eighty three the Rams
Speaker 1: took us out. I think that was in the cold
Speaker 1: end zone. It was one of the coldest games of
Speaker 1: Texas Stadium. Ice in the end zone. Here comes to
Speaker 1: La Rams if I'm not mistaken, Dickerson comes in runce
Speaker 1: for almost two hundred yards. Actually that was the second time,
Speaker 1: but no, no, right, but before that it was that
Speaker 1: was eighty three when it was ice in the end zone.
Speaker 1: And what I mean is the comparison is that season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we started off hot, yeah, like seven, and oh we
Speaker 1: we just we just couldn't be stopped. And the thing
Speaker 1: that we did, and we we were the best I
Speaker 1: think twelve and four team I think we had we
Speaker 1: had going into the playoffs. And we didn't feel it.
Speaker 1: You couldn't feel it if you you wouldn't know from
Speaker 1: the state in the stands. It was a home game.
Speaker 1: Everyone was cold. We played like we were cold, like
Speaker 1: we never got out of warm ups. And you know,
Speaker 1: besides the first drive of the last two games, that's
Speaker 1: the only promise, that's the only promise this team has
Speaker 1: had is two drives. Just two drives. Those those are
Speaker 1: the ones. That's the only norm that we have at
Speaker 1: this point for this Cowboys team, not just offensively. I'm
Speaker 1: named for this Cowboy team. Period. Yeah, it was you know,
Speaker 1: you you sat there and watched it and you're going, Okay,
Speaker 1: at some point this was gonna kick in. It's gonna
Speaker 1: get kicked in. And then it's like getting ready to
Speaker 1: start the fourth quarter and you're going, no, this is
Speaker 1: not gonna kick in. This is so we knew woth
Speaker 1: quarter that is not kicking gosh. It was just I mean, defensively,
Speaker 1: they couldn't get off the field. That's that's our no,
Speaker 1: this is our normal. And you know that they had
Speaker 1: at one point they finished seven of twelve on third down,
Speaker 1: but the last three that they didn't convert. That was
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter when all they were doing is
Speaker 1: running clock and let's run three times in punt. Right,
Speaker 1: they were they were six of fifteen third down six
Speaker 1: or fifteen, started four for four on that. I thought
Speaker 1: it was the best drive they had. Was seventeen plays,
Speaker 1: almost nine minutes off the clock, great mix of running
Speaker 1: pass ten runs, six passes, no penalties, touchdown, and it's
Speaker 1: ever so I wrote it last night. It was like
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving two point zero. They have this great first drive
Speaker 1: and you think, all right, they've they've got it going.
Speaker 1: They've got the first drive. You showed your entire game
Speaker 1: plan basically on the first drive. You had to It
Speaker 1: was the longest possession they had all season, seventeen plays.
Speaker 1: It's got to be one of the tops in the league. Yeah,
Speaker 1: eight minutes. Yeah, no, I was referring to the Bears
Speaker 1: third down converted. I'm sorry. And at one point they
Speaker 1: were they were at one point they were seven of nine.
Speaker 1: It was one after another after another after another, and
Speaker 1: they and it didn't matter what the down and distance were,
Speaker 1: they could not get off the field. Um players, game plan,
Speaker 1: I mean, point of finger at everything, because the Bears
Speaker 1: had this defense figured out. And after the game, you know,
Speaker 1: when I spoke with Rod and Mirinelli, you know, he's
Speaker 1: kind of a stand up guy, and he blamed himself.
Speaker 1: He said, my my bad one. He goes, they're not
Speaker 1: listening to me. I'm not getting through to him. But
Speaker 1: you know, at some point you got to go out
Speaker 1: and play. That's very noble. That's what I wrote. Coach
Speaker 1: is a very noble, very noble. I love that in
Speaker 1: old school coaches. But the accountability, as I've always said,
Speaker 1: I just have to look at the players. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just have to look at the players. Whatever defense you're
Speaker 1: putting them in, that's the defense that you've run all year. Long,
Speaker 1: that's the defense you ran last year, defense you ran
Speaker 1: the year before that, and it seems as if we
Speaker 1: are just learning it. And that's what's scary. So now
Speaker 1: sudden you look at all these numbers that we keep
Speaker 1: talking about for the score itself, numbers by Dak offensively,
Speaker 1: just just really the entire offense. Maybe the numbers for
Speaker 1: defense may have looked good. They might still be number
Speaker 1: seven in the league. That's what's what's amazing. Stats. Number
Speaker 1: one offense too in terms of yards per game, but
Speaker 1: they're not turning in. It doesn't mean yeah, and as
Speaker 1: they ended up, you know with the garbage time stuff,
Speaker 1: four hundred and eight yards of offense. But does that
Speaker 1: remind you of that reminds you the Remo years when
Speaker 1: he's just you know it down the field. We put
Speaker 1: ourselves in trouble with early turnovers and then here comes
Speaker 1: Romo with numbers out of this world, but it doesn't
Speaker 1: really indicate just how bad we may have played, even
Speaker 1: in the passing game alone. So this is this is
Speaker 1: that time of year. This this team is showing me
Speaker 1: that they just don't have any continuity or it seems
Speaker 1: like belief in anything that they're doing. And one thing
Speaker 1: that happens when your defense plays the way they played
Speaker 1: is you end up taking Ezekiel Elliott out of the
Speaker 1: game twice. You can't hand keep handing him the ball
Speaker 1: he had he had seventy two yards in the first half. Wow,
Speaker 1: and he finished with eighty one. Really running the ball. Well, Yeah,
Speaker 1: two games in a row he's got he's got back
Speaker 1: to some explosive runs, and that's some of that's a credit,
Speaker 1: you know, to the offensive line creating some holes for him,
Speaker 1: which hasn't always been the case. I don't think in
Speaker 1: the running game, you know, consistently they'll tell you that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think he had two carries in the
Speaker 1: second half against Buffalo and six in the second half
Speaker 1: last night. And they just Stephen Jones preached balance to
Speaker 1: us in the pregame show, and it just goes out
Speaker 1: the window when you find yourself down seventeen seven and
Speaker 1: then twenty four to seven. And Mick, we talked about
Speaker 1: this on the plane last night. You mentioned what Rod
Speaker 1: said about the defense. It's it's kind it's been kind
Speaker 1: of the same thing we talked about when they've struggled
Speaker 1: defensively this year in terms of there this up the
Speaker 1: field defense ever since, and they're aggressive and they come
Speaker 1: at you, and teams have been able to counter that
Speaker 1: with the screens and the swing passes and getting the
Speaker 1: Titans involved, and it's just been used against them. And
Speaker 1: again I have been you know, I mean, this is
Speaker 1: our job to try and find out what the problem is, right,
Speaker 1: So I've been trying to find the problem. If I
Speaker 1: want to look at one group defensively, it's I was
Speaker 1: talking with a buddy of mine and he said, by
Speaker 1: the way secondary, and I couldn't agree with that. Even
Speaker 1: though we're not getting the turn those and things that nature,
Speaker 1: we're not just getting toasted up and down the field.
Speaker 1: That's just not the way we're playing right now. I've
Speaker 1: always talked about even though lack of interceptions, we got
Speaker 1: very athletic dbs. We know that, but that's not the
Speaker 1: problem on this team. I remember going back to the
Speaker 1: Vikings game and I try and compare it to what
Speaker 1: I know and what I know that's when I was
Speaker 1: on the number one defense in the NFL nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: Giants played the same defense we have here. Now. You
Speaker 1: have the linebackers in the bubble we had, granted we
Speaker 1: had two guys that in the winter in Jersey, Pepper
Speaker 1: Johnson and Steve Josey. That pretty much, you know, been
Speaker 1: drinking all night heavy. You know, it might be a
Speaker 1: little heavy to ate all night. So they're gonna come in.
Speaker 1: They're not losing weight this time of year. They're gonna
Speaker 1: come in there around two sixty five, almost two seventy,
Speaker 1: depending on what they ate last night. Okay, And when
Speaker 1: they hit that, when they hit that guard, when they
Speaker 1: hit those exposed offensive linemen, it's a stalemate. There's nowhere
Speaker 1: for you to go. Barry Sanders nowhere. We had running
Speaker 1: backs running scared. You know, with just lt just being
Speaker 1: over there was enough. But I noticed that the philosophy
Speaker 1: was to have a quick read from those offensive linemens
Speaker 1: and when they come off that line, we are going
Speaker 1: to meet him, meet them with violent force. And Dioce
Speaker 1: and Pepper Johnson and Gary reasons they did that. When
Speaker 1: I looked at hours, totally different defense. It's like watching
Speaker 1: a lion versus cheetah. We have cheatahs as linebackers, and
Speaker 1: when you take it whether those cheatah's legs, they got nothing.
Speaker 1: They can't do anything without the legs. Okay, it's like
Speaker 1: watching the flex defense get taken over by the Washington
Speaker 1: Redskins when zone blocking made it obsolete. Whatever they're doing,
Speaker 1: whatever we're doing, we're taking ourselves out of every running defense.
Speaker 1: You know, the strength of every running defense. We're getting
Speaker 1: gashed because our linebackers are not stepping up and creating
Speaker 1: that resistance at the line of scrimmage that we need.
Speaker 1: I don't care if you're getting cut off when they're
Speaker 1: trying to run outside the tackle or even between the tackles,
Speaker 1: when they're sometimes coming at their legs and sometimes they
Speaker 1: are just so big. I mean, that's the problem to
Speaker 1: deal with all the time. It's nothing new. You got
Speaker 1: three hundred pounds lineman. You have to use what you use.
Speaker 1: And they always said, same thing, make you laugh, make
Speaker 1: you cry. If you got big offensive linemen right there,
Speaker 1: you better be quicker than him. You better beat him
Speaker 1: to the punch. We're not doing that. And what they're
Speaker 1: doing make the same thing, make you laugh, make you
Speaker 1: cry fast quick? How can I go fidgety? We almost
Speaker 1: have fidgety linebackers. They're always ready to run, They're always
Speaker 1: ready to go. They alays ready to go. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're quick to go. And then when you go too fast,
Speaker 1: then here comes to screen passes, and then here comes
Speaker 1: the jaw place or the quarterback keeper. And I think
Speaker 1: if you just look at the touchdown run that Trubisky
Speaker 1: had twenty three yards, I think I thought this was
Speaker 1: emblematic of how the team, the defense played. They had
Speaker 1: a play fake to Cohen going to their right and
Speaker 1: to Marcus Lawrence crashed down the line of scrimmage as
Speaker 1: hard as he could well. Cohen didn't have the football,
Speaker 1: and Trubisky went left and there was nobody there. The
Speaker 1: linebackers did the same thing. They start chasing. And I
Speaker 1: think that was maybe the the best tangible explanation Jason
Speaker 1: had after the game, is that we're not disciplined. We
Speaker 1: were desperate. It's like everybody's trying to save the day
Speaker 1: instead of playing in coordination. And look, Trubisky had run
Speaker 1: for eighty one yards in twelve games. He went ten
Speaker 1: for sixty three in this game. But that Triscoll did it,
Speaker 1: you know, name the Quarterbosh on Thanksgiving? Yeah, of course,
Speaker 1: absolutely no doubt. And so they've had trouble with these
Speaker 1: quarterbacks who are gonna keep but they're using their aggressiveness
Speaker 1: against them because they're trying to get up the field
Speaker 1: us their speed. Like you talking, One thing that you
Speaker 1: have to have is poise. You just have to have it,
Speaker 1: especially this time of year and when you're in panic mode.
Speaker 1: That is not going to happen. I've been there eighty seven,
Speaker 1: eighty six. You know we had that. This is the
Speaker 1: game eighty four when we been making an eighty four, right,
Speaker 1: you know, there were certain games we needed. Couldn't stop
Speaker 1: the Redskins. They came into our house and blew us out.
Speaker 1: They came in, uh in, cameo get yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. So you know, been there, done that. That's
Speaker 1: why I know what the problems are. At this point.
Speaker 1: Everyone is out of position. No one trusts the person
Speaker 1: next to them because even though you're aggressive defensively, they're
Speaker 1: still and organized chaos you have to deal with. There's
Speaker 1: still gaps that you know, regardless of how much you do,
Speaker 1: what you do and how fast you're coming off the line,
Speaker 1: are certain keys that they're gonna tell you, Okay, hold up,
Speaker 1: I gotta be careful wait, I see that now. You know,
Speaker 1: these are kind of things. As much as you talk
Speaker 1: about the LT being the great athletic player that he
Speaker 1: was by the time Belichick was done with him, that
Speaker 1: finished product. He was that organized chaos guy. He knew
Speaker 1: he could see the tips, you know, he could see
Speaker 1: it held. The keys were right there for him, and
Speaker 1: he believed them. He played against the Cowboys one time.
Speaker 1: He played so well. That was Jimmy's first year, Jimmy
Speaker 1: and Jay's first year. He said, everything looked so easy.
Speaker 1: He thought it was they were fakes, and he thought
Speaker 1: everything was a trick. I mean, we like we were.
Speaker 1: We were horrible. We were horrible. We didn't do anything
Speaker 1: in that game. Jimmy pretty much cursed me out after
Speaker 1: that game because he thought it was my fault. And
Speaker 1: just let you know, guys like that could put pressure
Speaker 1: on everyone. Positions like this is putting pressure on everyone.
Speaker 1: Everyone's doing either too much or not enough, you know,
Speaker 1: going the wrong direction, you know, not reading the signs,
Speaker 1: so that that's paranoia. Okay, there's doubts. You can see
Speaker 1: the doubt in how we played. Tackling in the open
Speaker 1: field was an issue. Jason Garrett expounded a little bit
Speaker 1: on what you guys were saying this morning when he said,
Speaker 1: you know, we're not We're not a defense that that's
Speaker 1: going to give you a variety of different things. Necessarily
Speaker 1: that it's you know, they've got those Seattle principles where
Speaker 1: Seattle's defense historically, they kind of do what they do
Speaker 1: and it's a very discipline based defense. And when you
Speaker 1: get outside of that, and he hadn't watched the tape yet,
Speaker 1: but that's that's what happens. They struggled there. Well, think
Speaker 1: about this when you look at so Trubisky ends up
Speaker 1: throwing for two hundred and forty four yards. He completed
Speaker 1: twenty three passes, right, and this wasn't out of reading
Speaker 1: or whatever. This was the game plan. Thirteen of those
Speaker 1: twenty three completions were two running backs, tight end, fullback.
Speaker 1: What does that tell you? So they were saying, okay,
Speaker 1: right exactly, and you know they targeted Jalen Smith. They
Speaker 1: don't think he can cover. Now, he had the one
Speaker 1: possession where he broke up the ball uh in the
Speaker 1: end zone, but they kept coming there, right, So their
Speaker 1: plan was we're attacking him and we're gonna make him cover.
Speaker 1: And I think we knew going into this season that
Speaker 1: that was one of his weaknesses. He's better going forward
Speaker 1: than he is going backwards. And I always thought when
Speaker 1: they got in that situation, especially in Nickel, that it
Speaker 1: would be Layton Vanderish and Sean Lee on that Nickel. Well,
Speaker 1: now it's him and Joe Thomas. They miss Vanderish, They
Speaker 1: miss his athleticism that he and he could run with
Speaker 1: those guys, right, they these guys can't run to tight end.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know who they're tight end. Well, they're
Speaker 1: banged up as down their depth chart. And that's some
Speaker 1: guy named Holtz is kids in the ball. I thought
Speaker 1: it was the guy went to college with, you know,
Speaker 1: Randy Holtz. The He was like, what is this guy
Speaker 1: doing three catches for fifty six yards and a thirty
Speaker 1: yards screen catching run? Yeah, you know that's passed. It
Speaker 1: was just just ridiculous, you know. And so you know,
Speaker 1: and you look at the final stats for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: speaking of dbs, Everson, dari and Thompson, who's filling in
Speaker 1: for Jeff Heath, another guy I think they miss in
Speaker 1: terms of run defense. He finishes with nine tackles and
Speaker 1: that's not what you want to see from your defense
Speaker 1: where he's making those tackles. True, he's designated to feel
Speaker 1: if he's to be up and and forcing as a
Speaker 1: strong safety tack then that's great. But if he's your
Speaker 1: free safety as a way to me, actually he does field.
Speaker 1: He spent most of the time on the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: They were playing single safety high the majority of the
Speaker 1: time with woods deep, and he was lining up because
Speaker 1: I a couple of times I thought they had gone dime.
Speaker 1: I go, it's like, oh twenty three, it's the safety.
Speaker 1: He's up on the Yeah, they did win the turn,
Speaker 1: unfortunately not you know what, Unfortunately it would have been
Speaker 1: better to let him score a touchdown than they intercept
Speaker 1: the field at all, extended the field and what and
Speaker 1: basically what it did was they they they went three
Speaker 1: and out punted and they got the ball back at Yeah,
Speaker 1: the field position game is still the same. I thought
Speaker 1: about you when it's like Murphy's long with you get
Speaker 1: a takeaway, but field positions flipped and then you know,
Speaker 1: a kick out of bounds late in the game that
Speaker 1: leads to a touchdown for Chicago three plays later. I
Speaker 1: think the Bears average starting position was the forty yard line.
Speaker 1: There just wasn't really anything about this game that they
Speaker 1: could hang their hat on that they had success. The
Speaker 1: first drive. We seemed like an entirely different team offensively.
Speaker 1: That's pretty scary. Cowboys have been trying and I know
Speaker 1: Paula being out really didn't help at all. But we
Speaker 1: talked about Zeke. As we run Zeke in the first half,
Speaker 1: I could imagine the game plan. He is, Okay, we
Speaker 1: run him in the first half. He's doing well, he's
Speaker 1: controlling the pace defensively, will not make it happen. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's change it up. Let's get him in space. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so now they've been trying to get him out of space.
Speaker 1: They're trying to use Zeke as much as possible because
Speaker 1: he's not really breaking that that fifty yarder like we're
Speaker 1: accustomed to, and like a lot of other backs who
Speaker 1: are not even better than him or having the opportunity
Speaker 1: to do so, they're trying to create that for him,
Speaker 1: and they just can't seem to be on the same page.
Speaker 1: See he's like whether he dackers, they cannot connect. It's like,
Speaker 1: actually gap earlier in the year, the thirty thirty yard
Speaker 1: run that he had, Yeah, it was thirty one thirty one.
Speaker 1: That was his longest run of the of the season,
Speaker 1: and he had a thirty yarder on Thanksgiving, he's you know,
Speaker 1: hitting those explosive plays, but again he's taken out of
Speaker 1: the game basically in the second half. Defense won't effective defense.
Speaker 1: I said it before the game. Now look at these
Speaker 1: other than the weather assist in New England. When you
Speaker 1: held them to thirteen points, it's twenty eight, twenty seven,
Speaker 1: twenty six, thirty one. You can't expect your offense. And
Speaker 1: you knew this was going to be difficult going against
Speaker 1: that ch all go defense. So you knew you weren't
Speaker 1: going to score thirty points. You can't score. You have
Speaker 1: to score thirty points every game to win. And that's
Speaker 1: the kind of the situation they've been in. Your defense
Speaker 1: has to match the opposite of defense, and they did
Speaker 1: have to. They needed to step out and you knew that. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know, they're they're good. They're good. I give it
Speaker 1: to him. And Buffalo's defense is a top ten defense
Speaker 1: and New England's been at a historical level. So your
Speaker 1: points well made. And you know the worst part, look
Speaker 1: at what we have though, I know, I'm so tired
Speaker 1: of hearing about what everybody else that's that's fair, you know,
Speaker 1: if what we have that we have this so a
Speaker 1: bit established coaching staff. You know, head coach has been
Speaker 1: in place for a while. It's been a little bit
Speaker 1: shuffling going on underneath. You know, players themselves been locked
Speaker 1: down contract wise. I mean, come on this, we have
Speaker 1: We're supposed to be the ones that they're saying. Man,
Speaker 1: these guys have they have, they're a good team. They
Speaker 1: just came in and beat us. Well why are we
Speaker 1: saying that all the time? And they're speaking to the
Speaker 1: fan right now. And they played with out two of
Speaker 1: their starting players, two of their better starting players. Their
Speaker 1: their top corner basically was out, Um and they had
Speaker 1: to play a backup that hadn't played very much, Tolliver
Speaker 1: and then Danny trevad In, one of their linebackers. He's out,
Speaker 1: and they had to play what was the guy I
Speaker 1: couldn't pronounce his name because oh yeah, kit Wowski or
Speaker 1: something like that. Okay, but I got somebody you never
Speaker 1: heard of, right right, you know, just one last thing.
Speaker 1: I just think we were just I know we've been
Speaker 1: labeling the point. I just want to dump on them
Speaker 1: just a little bit more. It doesn't take a team
Speaker 1: full of superstars to beat a team full of superstars.
Speaker 1: It just takes a heck of a team. That's that's
Speaker 1: a good track to get back to when we come
Speaker 1: back from break. I want to touch on that more.
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Speaker 1: it down, but kickoff will be at eleven am. Don't
Speaker 1: miss your opportunity to get tickets before they sell out.
Speaker 1: They're on sale now at SKE I can't wait for
Speaker 1: they I can't not wait for the game. It'll be
Speaker 1: a good one. I'm letta. See what you Baylor beher
Speaker 1: is going to do? Are they really up to the
Speaker 1: task right? See if that defense blaze against Oklahoma and
Speaker 1: make sure they play like the fourth quarter two. This time,
Speaker 1: I must see what it does against this this a
Speaker 1: vengeful defense. Well, not a good result last night in Chicago.
Speaker 1: The score doesn't really tell the story. Thirty one twenty
Speaker 1: four Bears beat the Cowboys. They dropped a six and
Speaker 1: seven on the season. They still get a half game
Speaker 1: lead over Philly, but obviously there's a lot to clean up.
Speaker 1: And everything you were saying before the break complimentary football,
Speaker 1: something Dak Prescott has talked about. Everybody's talked about they
Speaker 1: haven't put the complete games together. As a player, when
Speaker 1: you've been in these situations in your career, what is
Speaker 1: the what's the confidence level? Where the mindset? I know
Speaker 1: you can't get into these guys heads, but how do
Speaker 1: you how do you try to rally from something like
Speaker 1: this where it just seems like nothing's nothing's going your
Speaker 1: way and you can't find any traction here. I was
Speaker 1: thinking about that this morning coming here, because obviously they
Speaker 1: need to turn around, they need something, and I could
Speaker 1: I could see meet missed the optimism here. I could
Speaker 1: clearly see that there's gonna be a moment, and I
Speaker 1: know that's what the positive people, of the optimistic people
Speaker 1: are thinking about now, such as myself. If they're gonna
Speaker 1: do anything this year, that's gonna have to be a
Speaker 1: moment to where they put that together. You know that
Speaker 1: that drive in the that starting drive that you had,
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to be a moment to where you
Speaker 1: transfer you take that energy level, that success and put
Speaker 1: it to a more you know, important part of the game,
Speaker 1: more critical part of the game. A nice two men
Speaker 1: to drive I'm sorry, drive a two minutes would be
Speaker 1: great to where we needed it. It either puts us
Speaker 1: ahead or ties us for a game. I think just
Speaker 1: one moment like that could change everything. Fourth down stands
Speaker 1: that would change everything. I truly believe that something think big,
Speaker 1: they can swing momentum and get some confidence back, because
Speaker 1: they don't. They don't seem like a confident group. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sure I know they believe in their abilities, but
Speaker 1: but it's just it's talked about they only believe in that.
Speaker 1: They don't believe in themselves as a team. That's totally
Speaker 1: different because, like you said, the out of position guys
Speaker 1: are crashing down trying to that He's not really trying
Speaker 1: to be the hero. It's just instinctive right now because
Speaker 1: everyone's in panic mode. And so you're sitting here thinking, well, man,
Speaker 1: we should be doing this and we should be doing that.
Speaker 1: Don't worry about what you should be doing. Don't worry
Speaker 1: about the contract you just signed, don't worry about what
Speaker 1: you're looking forward to. You know, Queen has got the sacks,
Speaker 1: he got his bonus coming all of that, it means
Speaker 1: nothing right now, right you understand. So here you've got
Speaker 1: teams that have our game playing down. But obviously after
Speaker 1: the second drive, after the first drive, they have a
Speaker 1: game playing down. They know where we're going, they know
Speaker 1: our tendencies. Okay, they know the players themselves tendencies. They're
Speaker 1: doubling people at the right time, they playing zone the
Speaker 1: right time, They're controlling what we're trying to do. They're
Speaker 1: the ones. Even after the first drive, there's no panic
Speaker 1: from the opposition. They feel like the game is still
Speaker 1: in their hands because they're going up against our defense.
Speaker 1: And I don't care how many superstars you got, I
Speaker 1: don't care how many contracts you sign. I can take
Speaker 1: a solid defense player Tampa two zone and shut down.
Speaker 1: I've done it well, I've been on team that's done it.
Speaker 1: We sure that one of the greatest offenses in history
Speaker 1: San Francisco, forty nine ers in San Francisco because we
Speaker 1: had a great system that can shut down Jerry Rice,
Speaker 1: John Taylor, Joe Montana, Steve. I don't care who it is,
Speaker 1: because it's still a team game. Guys. You cannot get
Speaker 1: past that. We can tout all these my homes, which
Speaker 1: I get tired of that they're putting one guy. We
Speaker 1: have to market this guy. He's got to be the
Speaker 1: face of this. A defensive lineman can make a bigger
Speaker 1: difference in the game than a Marii cooper a d
Speaker 1: linement that you've never heard of. Okay, so superstars are great.
Speaker 1: It looks good in the with the numbers. The problem
Speaker 1: that you have is putting it on the field with
Speaker 1: the other guys that you have to play with and
Speaker 1: depend on. So you depend on them. You don't they're
Speaker 1: just not out there for dressing. You depend on them
Speaker 1: for you to be successful. And you know, when you
Speaker 1: look at this thing, and I understand that, you know,
Speaker 1: they had a couple empty possessions early in the game,
Speaker 1: but it's it's ten to seven, all right, and they
Speaker 1: drove and you held them to a field goal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so the next the next possession, the Cowboys marched downfield.
Speaker 1: They got first and ten at the thirty at the
Speaker 1: Chicago thirty yard line. It's third and four at the
Speaker 1: twenty four. Right, they got a great play call, Right,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be I'm sending the fullback out and he's
Speaker 1: gonna act like he going to run a wheel route
Speaker 1: or if he sees the linebacker playing off stop and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw you the pass. Well, he threw him
Speaker 1: in the pass. But while he kept running and and
Speaker 1: now you know you you call. You practice that play
Speaker 1: all week, right, and and that that receiver have to
Speaker 1: be right, you have to be into And how many
Speaker 1: times have they throw them the ball? Not very many times? Right,
Speaker 1: So it was another one of those things where something
Speaker 1: could go wrong. It went wrong because normally, probably in
Speaker 1: that situation, they might have had Pollard in the game
Speaker 1: rights very straightened ankle, can't play. So now, all right,
Speaker 1: it's a forty two yard field goal, you're gonna tie
Speaker 1: the game. Ten. Ten. You're talking about those moments where
Speaker 1: something happens good and you feel good about yourself and
Speaker 1: he misses, he misses wide. Right, didn't you feel like
Speaker 1: it took the air out of the balloon right there. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: because then they came right back down the field and
Speaker 1: scored and made it seventeen seven. Then they scored with
Speaker 1: three seconds to go in the half. You know, if
Speaker 1: it was ten seven at halftime, now they're getting the
Speaker 1: ball again, right, you would say, Okay, I'm cool, I
Speaker 1: can handle this. I got out played, but I'm still
Speaker 1: in the ball game. And then you let them take
Speaker 1: the next possession. So they scored. Basically in two possessions,
Speaker 1: they scored fourteen points, and now it's like twenty four
Speaker 1: to seven. Now you're like, okay, I'm in panic mode.
Speaker 1: I gotta just get out of my game plan. We
Speaker 1: gotta sling it around and don't need Dak throwing the
Speaker 1: ball forty nine times. And the problem is the players
Speaker 1: can say, just like the fans like Mandasa vou, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we just did this, right, Yeah, we keep
Speaker 1: doing this. That was Buffalo all over again. Yes, so
Speaker 1: so you could you know, we're fans, well you know
Speaker 1: we we we're feeling it. But as players, you just
Speaker 1: when things like that become consistent, you've got to have doubt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And for Brett Meyer, that's his tenth mess of the season.
Speaker 1: He's missed at least one field goal in eight of
Speaker 1: thirteen games this year. And look, they worked out three
Speaker 1: kickers during the week. I don't think those tryouts really
Speaker 1: caught their eye. And they stuck with him, and let's
Speaker 1: give him another chat, another chance, Yeah, wins not blowing outside,
Speaker 1: give him another shot. I mean, in the last five
Speaker 1: games he's nine to fourteen. I don't know what that
Speaker 1: percentage comes to, but it's probably somewhere around sixty five percent.
Speaker 1: And see, you gotta be hitting at eighty and and
Speaker 1: those numbers, to me are surprisingly good. I didn't know
Speaker 1: they were that high. Because it's the moments that the
Speaker 1: more important hit him than his numbers. Yes, that's always
Speaker 1: the key. I mean, it's like you can sit here
Speaker 1: and go, oh man, he made a sixty three yard
Speaker 1: field goal. Okay, that's fine, But when you're now one
Speaker 1: of five from forty yards out forty to forty nine,
Speaker 1: it's like, whoa who cares about the sixty exactly? Make
Speaker 1: it that makes it that accomplishment just disappear, you know.
Speaker 1: And their guy was in the same boat, but he
Speaker 1: hit his forty some yard field goal. What do you
Speaker 1: think they do? Because we know they're there's not a
Speaker 1: lot out there. I mean, where do you go? But
Speaker 1: I don't know. Do you just bring somebody in to say, well,
Speaker 1: can it be any worse? You have to get a guy.
Speaker 1: I would try and get a guy, you know, not
Speaker 1: as old as Vinitary, but ms not out there, the
Speaker 1: veteran guy who you know is going to hit the
Speaker 1: forty yarders in forty five yarders consistently, the long long ones.
Speaker 1: I love it. I bring in Jones to try and
Speaker 1: do a long one if I had to. Okay, you
Speaker 1: know we've seen it happen a pun of girls out
Speaker 1: there and just does something amazing. But I want the
Speaker 1: consistent guy. Matt Barr nineteen ninety Man Parcels love that guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been with great kicker, Raphiel Septym. You know that's
Speaker 1: that's the that's the kicker. I know. I'm accustomed to
Speaker 1: these kind of amazing consistent guys. You won't see him
Speaker 1: hitting a bunch of fifty yarders, but at forty five
Speaker 1: yard is gonna be right. So he told the funny
Speaker 1: story on the Walk Off the other day, talking about
Speaker 1: in ninety three when they were struggling with the kicker
Speaker 1: and they had a workout and he said, so we
Speaker 1: worked out like three guys and he goes, I was
Speaker 1: the holder, and he goes the first two guys and
Speaker 1: it's like, well, how do you like the ball? You know,
Speaker 1: it's like, wow, I'd like it a little bit this way,
Speaker 1: a little bit this way. They were real particularly and
Speaker 1: then Eddie Murray came in and for his turn and
Speaker 1: he said, how do you like the ball? He goes,
Speaker 1: just get it, get it down. Ends up winning that
Speaker 1: game against the Giants, uh in ninety three, the last
Speaker 1: game of the season, with the winning field goal and overtime.
Speaker 1: Those guys just don't I mean, they're not They're not
Speaker 1: out there, these veteran guys. I mean, look at what
Speaker 1: New England's gone through with after losing got Kowski. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's reports they might take signed Nick Folk back if
Speaker 1: he's healthy today. So he had he had an app
Speaker 1: and de Yeah, so that's the Cowboys. I figured he's
Speaker 1: out of the league, right he's still ki and then
Speaker 1: they brought it. It's it's just it's one of many
Speaker 1: issues they're having right now, no question about it. Let's
Speaker 1: do you send a message, you know, It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: job and now everybody else wakes up and go, oh,
Speaker 1: but unfortunately with some of the contracts they have messages.
Speaker 1: Aren't you know you can't do that. Let's take our
Speaker 1: final break. Let's talk a little bit about what Jerry
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Speaker 1: he's kind of mixing and matching. Yeah, I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: done well in Chicago a second city. Yeah. Actually, I
Speaker 1: was reading an interesting story about how it got started
Speaker 1: and how they the guys that started acting there. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, all the people when SNL got going that
Speaker 1: they took improv classes on how to just improvisation stuff.
Speaker 1: And I said, I figured just people knew how to
Speaker 1: do it right, but they kind of taught them to
Speaker 1: its little Chicago atmosphere there since we were there for
Speaker 1: day and a half and walked in at four am.
Speaker 1: So I'll give you a break on the liner. You know,
Speaker 1: a couple of flubs, but you did fine, I think, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: one twenty four Chicago wins wet a cup close either. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got a couple of minutes left in the show.
Speaker 1: Kyle could you roll some Jerry Jones audio post game
Speaker 1: for us. But we've got to start showing our fans
Speaker 1: more importantly, showing ourselves that we can do the things
Speaker 1: to win the games. It's hard to do it when
Speaker 1: you extend their possessions and you make mistakes on third down.
Speaker 1: It's hard to do it when you either create penalties.
Speaker 1: It's hard to do it when you miss field goals
Speaker 1: that the last two games have shown up. We got
Speaker 1: down near the end and looked up and we had
Speaker 1: a chance potentially, but we'd really had a chance both
Speaker 1: the last two games if we'd kicked our field goal. Well,
Speaker 1: that's if stuff, and we know that is we're not
Speaker 1: playing well enough to actually get close enough so at
Speaker 1: the end of the game we could actually tie one
Speaker 1: at the last minute or win it at the last minute. Yet,
Speaker 1: thanks Kyle, that was That was as frustrated as I've
Speaker 1: seen mister Jones after a game in a while. Um,
Speaker 1: And he was on the fan this morning he said
Speaker 1: it starts with me as as the GM owner of
Speaker 1: the team. I think he said something the effect Mick,
Speaker 1: that sound you here across the Metroplex, that's me screaming
Speaker 1: in my pillow. Yeah, among the other things. Yeah, yeah, yep. Um,
Speaker 1: it's a tough it's a tough day. It's a tough moment,
Speaker 1: tough stretch for this team right now. And you know,
Speaker 1: how do they dig out of it? Is the question?
Speaker 1: And well, they're gonna get nine days to think about it.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, maybe he'll up a little bit. That's bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: about you have to think about how how just how
Speaker 1: pitiful you are for quite some time, not just the
Speaker 1: one week that you're accustomed to. Now you get to
Speaker 1: watch everybody this weekend and you watch the Saints and
Speaker 1: you watch these good teams that are just you know,
Speaker 1: hitting the stride, and you look at you you sit
Speaker 1: there and you go, what is wrong with me? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you know you got that's They're gonna have
Speaker 1: ten days of that. Even when practice starts, they'll probably
Speaker 1: be glad to get back to practice. But you know,
Speaker 1: I when when I did the pregame radio interview with Jason,
Speaker 1: one of the questions I asked him, I said, you
Speaker 1: know when you don't you played on Thanksgiving? So now
Speaker 1: on Sunday we got to watch other teams play, right, Um,
Speaker 1: really good teams. So the uh was it was it Minnesota, Minnesota,
Speaker 1: Minnesota one. Um, I'm drawing a blank. Anyway, it was
Speaker 1: it was a really good game and there were plays
Speaker 1: and I think I mentioned this last week. There were
Speaker 1: plays like guys were wide open. Yeah, yeah, and I
Speaker 1: and my question to him was, it's like nobody's perfect
Speaker 1: out there, even the good teams. But you got to
Speaker 1: overcome your imperfections. You got to overcome your adversity. And
Speaker 1: this team has not been able to do that at
Speaker 1: all season long. When they've had adversity, it seems like,
Speaker 1: you know, when they come out like they did the
Speaker 1: first three games, boom boom boom, go down to score. Okay,
Speaker 1: this was great, right, but when adversity hit, they have
Speaker 1: not been able to comer it and they have not
Speaker 1: been able to turn those games. What's that front run? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well maybe yeah, one thing they were able to do
Speaker 1: last year and last year's last year. But three and
Speaker 1: five they handled the adversity and they won close games, Everson,
Speaker 1: where it wasn't always going well. Haven't done that this year,
Speaker 1: and that's that's they find themselves at six and seven
Speaker 1: and trying to dig out of this thing with three
Speaker 1: games to play and still unbelievably. The NFC East title
Speaker 1: still within the grass that game fifteen Cowboys at Philadelphia
Speaker 1: December twenty second, But it's gonna decide everything ten day
Speaker 1: Break and then the Rams after that, so we'll see
Speaker 1: what happens. Thanks guys for joining us. We hope it helped.
Speaker 1: Thanks Kyle for producing for Everson the MS due. We'll
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