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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we love a little Saturday football.

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Speaker 2: I'm Greg Rosenthal here in.

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Speaker 1: The Chris Westling podcast studio with my friends Patrick Clayband

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Speaker 1: and Jordan Rodrieg for the week sixteen preview, and yes,

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Speaker 1: the first of two weeks where we got the Saturday

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Speaker 1: games are back. That's how you know Christmas's Club.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's that you're in the stretch. You're in the stretch, run, Greg,

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Speaker 3: and the Saturday games big part.

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Speaker 1: It's like right when you don't have time necessarily on Saturdays.

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Speaker 1: But it's nice this first game that we'll talk about.

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Speaker 1: It's actually opposite to Lane's first ever college football playoff games,

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Speaker 1: though my attention will be divided, but we're not going

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Speaker 1: to be recapping those till Sundays, so I have.

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Speaker 2: A lot of time to catch up.

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Speaker 4: This is a big Greg weekend.

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Speaker 3: This really is, and it'll be perfectly fine Greg for

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Speaker 3: you to not second not just second screen, but.

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Speaker 5: To vote your full attention to the wave.

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Speaker 3: Obviously in the colleg football playoffs, but in the professional ranks.

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Speaker 3: The Philadelphia Eagles are six and a half point favorites

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Speaker 3: at the Washington Commanders.

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Speaker 5: The over under is forty four and a half. It's

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Speaker 5: Joe Davis and g red.

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Speaker 3: On the call where the Commanders have not seen things

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Speaker 3: go great. The defense, Marcus and company got to win

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Speaker 3: last week and the Eagles bounce back. How big do

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Speaker 3: they continue that bounce this week?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 1: I think it continues to be significant. The Commanders are

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Speaker 1: one of thirteen teams eliminated. I meant to set that

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Speaker 1: up at the top, like we're going into the last

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Speaker 1: three weeks, there's only nineteen teams that have a chance

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Speaker 1: to still win the Super Bowl, and it will be

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Speaker 1: down to eighteen at the end of this game when

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Speaker 1: the Eagles win, because that will eliminate the Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: There's very few elimination scenarios I saw this week. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I think that's the only one. Somehow that the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: are the only other team that's going to be eliminated.

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Speaker 1: There's not a lot of reason to believe that the

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Speaker 1: Commanders defense hold up. I guess the main one would

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Speaker 1: be that what we saw last week out of Philadelphia,

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Speaker 1: where it's a lot of under center for Jalen Hurts,

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Speaker 1: doesn't carry over facing a non Raiders competition.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, we I liked.

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Speaker 6: I mean it's hard not to like what you saw

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Speaker 6: against the Raiders at any point during this year for

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Speaker 6: any team, but I liked what Philadelphia was doing. Like

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Speaker 6: we talked about more play action for Jalen Hurts, you

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Speaker 6: saw this offense and Kevin Pittula and probably Nick Sirianni

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Speaker 6: who said a couple of weeks ago, he's got a

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Speaker 6: little bit more involved in the defense in the offense

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Speaker 6: as well, trying stuff. That was a team to try

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Speaker 6: stuff against. That was a game to try stuff that

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Speaker 6: you need to install into your game plan ahead of

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Speaker 6: the stretcher on stretcher and that that was what we saw,

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Speaker 6: and I expect to see that as well against the Commanders,

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Speaker 6: who you know as well as I think Marcus Mariota

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Speaker 6: has played in relief of Jade and Daniels. This defense

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Speaker 6: just can't It just can't hold up, and there's no

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Speaker 6: reason to expect it to.

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Speaker 1: I have a great stat from our friend Bo Wolf

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Speaker 1: on the All PHLI podcasts. The three games in which

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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts has been under center the most, and yes

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Speaker 1: that last week percentage wise was the most all season

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Speaker 1: are their three highest EPA per play performances of the season.

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Speaker 1: That feels like a correlation, and I think most of

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Speaker 1: it is actually the passing game. It should open up

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Speaker 1: a lot more diversity in terms of the running game.

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Speaker 1: The running game last week still wasn't like amazing, and

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Speaker 1: I think that's what's really keeping the ceiling lower. But

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Speaker 1: anything that can help Jalen Hurts in the passing game

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Speaker 1: out where you have these great players is a great thing.

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Speaker 1: So I think this is an important step to keep

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Speaker 1: checking these boxes as they get to the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: It was a fall off for Sakwan's big twenty eight

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Speaker 3: rush yards over expected game against the Chargers went down

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Speaker 3: to five, but it was still in the positive okay,

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Speaker 3: where Saquan had spent a good portion of twenty twenty

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Speaker 5: And I feel like a lot of.

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Speaker 3: That is in a similar because there was only two

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Speaker 3: targets for DeVonta Smith in that Let's not bash our

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Speaker 3: head against the wall against the Las Vegas Raiders.

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Speaker 5: We're in the stretch run.

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Speaker 3: We've secured this lead against the woeful team with our

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Speaker 3: former backup quarterback playing against us in this one, and

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Speaker 3: so yeah, the Eagles are a team that you know

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Speaker 3: and honestly, considering the way the Commander's season is going,

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Speaker 3: I think they can do that again.

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Speaker 2: They're just changerous enough.

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Speaker 1: Playing them twice in three weeks, it's a great coaching

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Speaker 1: test if we think that the offensive coaching staff of

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Speaker 1: the Eagles is really poor. Like if you're playing a

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Speaker 1: team twice in three weeks, I do think that's a

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Speaker 1: chance for if one of the teams is really well coached,

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Speaker 1: to find a solution in one of those two games.

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Speaker 6: I'd like to see Jalen Hurts run the way that

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Speaker 6: he did too last week. That was his highest rushing

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Speaker 6: yard since Week four against Tampa Bay, and it was

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Speaker 6: only forty yards, but it made a big difference. He

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Speaker 6: set them up in key scoring position multiple times, so

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Speaker 6: he was making smart decisions. And frankly, I can't believe

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Speaker 6: I'm uttering the sentence because of every thing we know

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Speaker 6: that Saquon Barkley accomplished last year.

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Speaker 4: But it takes the.

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Speaker 6: Pressure a little bit off of Saquon Barkley when you

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Speaker 6: that teams just really weren't scared of earlier, especially when

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Speaker 6: they weren't under center as much.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's having a good year.

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Speaker 1: The old Football Outsiders slash prospectus curse of three seventy five.

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Speaker 1: This was a big deal in the fantasy community back

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Speaker 1: in the OTS in the early twenty tens. You know,

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Speaker 6: I mean look at their offensive lines though too. I mean,

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Speaker 6: like the eagles Are offensive line is also not what

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Speaker 6: it was last year.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think neither were there.

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Speaker 3: The big two for me correlation and causation. Sometimes they

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Speaker 3: get in fights in people's heads.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot of work. At tell, it's a lot

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Speaker 2: of work. You know, who didn't have a lot of

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Speaker 1: I like looking at like the snap counts and sometimes

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Speaker 1: like the Eagles defense barely played against them, so.

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Speaker 2: They're fresh, like you know, I mean, I mean it.

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Speaker 1: I actually think in a short week it should be

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Speaker 1: a pretty significant difference. And like one defense played about

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Speaker 2: That's a nice little edge for the Eagles, who like.

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Speaker 1: To keep their defensive starters on the field, they're not

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Speaker 6: And I have to say, I don't think we're talking

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Speaker 6: enough about the season that Cooper dejene is having. I think,

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Speaker 6: especially if you go we've talked about this before, the

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Speaker 4: You could play them in any matchup.

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Speaker 6: And what was cool about last week, and yes it

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Speaker 6: was the Raiders caveat caveat, but what was really cool

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Speaker 6: that last week is that if they flipped them, if

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Speaker 4: I think that this defense is.

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Speaker 6: Also regathering itself, regrouping after a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: If you've noticed a lack of commanders stuck here, it's

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Speaker 1: because they're I feel like the most pointless team in

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Speaker 3: They've They've made the decision for us, you know, shutting

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Speaker 3: down Jayden Daniels just in the way that they've been

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Speaker 3: go to there our next game. Jalen Carter in those

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Speaker 3: I think that was something that was a big factor

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Speaker 3: in those losses with Kaylen Carter playing hurt, and keep

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Speaker 3: get closer to that game, not because it's going to

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Speaker 1: You know what's big, it's Greg Olsen in an Island game.

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Speaker 1: So I've been I've been wishing for him to take

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Speaker 1: over for Kirk on Thursday Night football. That seems like

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Speaker 1: a logical spot where we could just have Greg Olsen

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Speaker 2: Here's Greg Olsen in an Island game. There we go

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Speaker 2: a nice Saturday afternoon, Like.

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Speaker 5: You feel like the evaluators need to see good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, it's more I think America aka me, I

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Speaker 1: get super Bowl wasn't enough. We could just enjoy a

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Speaker 1: Greg Olsen game without any distractions except for two lane

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Speaker 1: beaten no Lane in Oxford.

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Speaker 2: Let's go no Lane.

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Speaker 4: Oh I got that? Oh that's so good?

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Speaker 5: That is?

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Speaker 1: That is a T shirt being sold at Shout out

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Speaker 1: to the campus connection over at T Lane this week.

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Speaker 4: Oh I hear here. They've got a good staff over there.

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Speaker 5: They're great.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully, hopefully somebody's band plays a classic ludicrous hit. Green

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Speaker 3: Bay at Chicago. The over under is forty six and

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Speaker 3: a half. Green Bay favored by one and a half.

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Speaker 3: Christian Watson limited in practice. Like on the practice field,

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Speaker 3: we're considering the way that that injury happened. Concerned about that,

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Speaker 3: but congratulations to the Green Bay Packers. Kevin Burkhart and

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Speaker 3: Tom Brady on the call. It's another Saturday game eight

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Speaker 3: twenty pm Eastern, so Greg should be well lubricated and

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Speaker 3: celebrating a way win. Jordan, do the Bears get revenge

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Speaker 3: from a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 6: Man, I'm so excited for this game because I do

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Speaker 6: think the Bears have a real shot at this This

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Speaker 6: is gonna be tough, though, because I just think that

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Speaker 6: the Packers, regardless they're missing so many players, A banged

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Speaker 6: up Christian Watson sounds like he's gonna play reading some

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Speaker 6: of the reports coming out of Green Bay. And then

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Speaker 6: also Josh Jacobs is banged up. He had a monster

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Speaker 6: and so that's certainly a factor here.

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Speaker 4: But I love the way the Bears are playing.

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Speaker 6: I think both of these teams are so well coached

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Speaker 6: and have really had to relearn in different ways their

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Speaker 3: And if you want to get me, if folks want

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Speaker 4: In which one was Harrison Ford.

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Speaker 5: Harrison Ford was the Red Hulk.

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Speaker 6: Anyways, Ben Johnson may avenge. Oh there it is instead

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Speaker 5: Yes, maybe, and that's what they do.

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Speaker 4: No, thank you Caleb for the riding fodder.

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Speaker 3: how do you feel things are going? I know you

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Speaker 4: That he's in your head.

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Speaker 1: Oway on the inside, the other two on the outside,

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Speaker 1: and they created a ton of pressure. I mean, you

441
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Speaker 1: can't do that type of stuff every week. But the

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Speaker 1: three of them, in terms of their pressure rate, they

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Speaker 1: are you know, three of the top twenty edges if

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Speaker 1: you count Oway as an edge in the NFL in

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Speaker 1: terms of like QB hits and big play rate and

446
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Speaker 1: so that is a great combo and it's taken no

447
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Speaker 1: offense to bud dupree him off the field. So then

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Speaker 1: it's it's just been a big upgrade. And Mac as

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Speaker 1: great as Oway as Mac is kind of the key

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Speaker 1: because rewatching that game, my god, yeah, stuffing the run,

451
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Speaker 1: he might be the best run stuffing edge in the league.

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Speaker 2: In addition to what he's doing.

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Speaker 1: That dude's age list obviously like a Hall of Famer,

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Speaker 1: but it's remind me a little bit of like Kurt

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Speaker 1: Warner with the Cardinals, where it's just like, man, he's

456
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Speaker 1: just making sure he's a Hall of Famer with this

457
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Speaker 1: Chargers Streakly yeah, career, you know what I mean. It's

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Speaker 1: just like it's another whole chapter of an incredible career.

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Speaker 3: There will be no need to come back at forty

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Speaker 3: four years old to play for the the Raiders or

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Speaker 3: the Bears.

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Speaker 5: It's like Khalil Mack will be in and good.

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Speaker 3: And I just wish, you know, prior to the completion

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Speaker 3: of the trade, if little brother had told big Brother, hey,

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Speaker 3: we plan on rushing him on the inside, if you

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Speaker 3: guys thought about doing that before, like you know, the

467
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Speaker 3: numbers go through the roof and adaphe Ohway is the

468
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Speaker 3: best defensive pass rusher in the history of the NFL.

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Speaker 1: After the trade, they're basically not making him do stuff.

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Speaker 6: He's bad at a lot of concept and I love that.

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Speaker 6: And I'm not trying, like, please, listener, I'm not trying

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Speaker 6: to mansplain the listener.

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Speaker 4: But think about when you're rushing.

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Speaker 6: Three right, think about that's eight people behind him that

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Speaker 6: you can put a quite the cap over the back

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Speaker 6: of this defense, and that's part of the reason they're

477
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Speaker 6: they're getting some of the takeaways that they're getting and.

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Speaker 4: They're able to confuse these quarterbacks.

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Speaker 6: I love what you said earlier about winning in unconventional

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Speaker 6: ways and leaning on this defense with so many injuries,

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Speaker 6: and obviously Justin Herbert's been amazing, but like so many

482
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Speaker 6: injuries along that offensive front, leaning on what is like

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Speaker 6: a like a stability factor that happens to be incredibly

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Speaker 6: decisive and really influence a game in significant ways.

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Speaker 4: It's not just like a.

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Speaker 6: Stable piece of the equation that is like maybe hidden

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Speaker 6: like a kicking game or which is great or something

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Speaker 6: like that. No, this actually affects the outcomes of these games.

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Speaker 1: And it's really been great since the bye week, especially now,

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Speaker 1: this will be the best offense they've faced since the

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Speaker 1: bye week.

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Speaker 2: So I'm looking forward to it.

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Speaker 1: And you do get the full Cowboys, you know, Arsenal

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Speaker 1: that you're going against, except the offensive line is a

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Speaker 1: little banged up.

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Speaker 2: I went into the season.

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Speaker 1: Talking about I thought this was the biggest boom er

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Speaker 1: bust offensive line.

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Speaker 2: They've had great moments, they've had bad moments.

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Speaker 1: They're definitely not playing their best right now, and they're

501
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Speaker 1: injured and we don't have all the Tilers available. Let's

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Speaker 1: hear from Shoddy, your guy talking about Dak Prescott's availability

503
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Speaker 1: down the stretch, Joe Milton, if you guys are eliminated,

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Speaker 1: is there at any point where you'd.

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Speaker 3: Want to see him play?

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Speaker 5: I want to win, so plan would be to play doc.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right. I never understand.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I understand the question, But why

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Speaker 1: why would you sit Dak Prescott or or any starting quarterback?

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Speaker 2: It always seems like a strange, strange idea to me.

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Speaker 5: I just wonder, if you're Jill Milton, how do you

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Speaker 5: feel you got.

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Speaker 2: Milton at Why.

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Speaker 5: Am I in it?

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Speaker 3: My concern for for Dallas is, ever since that first half,

516
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Speaker 3: like George Pickens went up for a catch against the

517
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Speaker 3: Detroit Lions, came down. Hard has been listed with knee

518
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Speaker 3: injuries since and his performance has fallen off. And of

519
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Speaker 3: course he playing through all the different things, like that's

520
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 3: the Cowboys superpower. And you know with Bland like to

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Speaker 3: a certain extent, you look at a particular rep of

522
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Speaker 3: the Cowboys defense and everybody is coming back from a

523
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Speaker 3: major surgery and like they can't cover, they can't rush

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Speaker 3: the passer, and like I know that the Greg Roman

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Speaker 3: of it all and the Chargers we found about the offense,

526
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Speaker 3: so guys are going to be open, lads are going

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Speaker 3: to be running by himself.

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Speaker 2: Well see, I mean the last two weeks it's been rough.

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Speaker 2: The Greg Roman.

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Speaker 1: He has not beaten the allegations that he had in Baltimore,

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Speaker 1: like there just weren't guys there for Herbert. I actually

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Speaker 1: thought the offensive line played pretty well last week for

533
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Speaker 1: the Chargers. That wasn't necessarily and it reminded me of

534
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Speaker 1: the game I was at watching in person where I

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Speaker 1: could see it. None of those are receivers who are

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Speaker 1: very talented, we're open, although they were often in the

537
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Speaker 1: same area. You would think this week could be different

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Speaker 1: because yeah, they've struggled in Dallas and Quinn Williams this

539
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Speaker 1: is a big absence is in the concussion protocol and

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Speaker 1: not at practice, meaning he's probably not playing.

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Speaker 2: Deron Bland also not a practice.

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Speaker 6: And Matti Refluse, I mean, for all the Denissance commentary,

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Speaker 6: Mattieberfluse is quite quite under the microscope here. And Jerry

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Speaker 6: Jones has even said that they're looking at everything, which

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Speaker 6: is like the death knell for anybody on the staff,

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Speaker 6: and they're evaluating over the last couple of games, and

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Speaker 6: you could see it, so it might not matter that

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Speaker 6: receivers are running the exact same routes and stacking on

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Speaker 6: top of each other in confusing ways for Greg by

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Speaker 6: Greg Roman, because there's not a lot of people covering

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Speaker 6: other people when you're talking about the scheme of that

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Speaker 6: of that Eberflus defense.

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Speaker 1: Right now, I have a little trivia for you before

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Speaker 1: we take a break. And this game is interesting. I'm

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Speaker 1: obviously taking the Chargers. I might have to take that

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Speaker 1: on the Pick Show with Cynthia. Which the streaks still going,

557
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Speaker 1: the greatest streak in sports, eleven straight, winning week three

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Speaker 1: and l last week there was a man playing for

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Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Chargers last week you played forty three snaps.

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Speaker 1: That was very recently a member of the Baltimore Ravens

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Speaker 1: and was once I believe, a top my free agency

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Speaker 1: rankings in a given off season.

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Speaker 2: Can you name that man?

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Speaker 1: I was stunned when I went and I was like,

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Speaker 1: who is that number? Thirty one on the field? I

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Speaker 1: believe it was last week?

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Speaker 5: All right, So the number, it's not Tony Jefferson.

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Speaker 1: It was a different number on the Ravens. I believe

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Speaker 1: he was thirty two on the Ravens. This is great podcasting.

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Speaker 1: Here a disappointment, I would say, with the Baltimore Ravens

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Speaker 1: is playing for the Los Angeles Chargers right now.

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Speaker 5: Oh, multiple of them. That's nice.

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Speaker 2: Just well, yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 4: I looked it up.

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Speaker 1: So I can't say Marcus Williams. I mean maybe only

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Speaker 1: I'm interested in this. But former Vigati was still at

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Speaker 1: New Orleans Saints. Great, I don't think he was. He

578
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Speaker 1: wasn't in the league until last week when he played

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Speaker 1: a full compliment of snaps for the Chargers. So they're

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Speaker 1: just making it happen all over the roster.

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Speaker 2: Let's it's funny.

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Speaker 4: It's like it's either Tony Jefferson or.

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Speaker 5: I would have been here for a long time. I

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Speaker 5: did not think Marcus.

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Speaker 2: I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I did not know that either. But that's that's why

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Speaker 1: they that's why you watch. I guess, all right, let's

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Speaker 1: take a break. We'll come back on the other side

589
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Speaker 1: for a game that's been disrespected. It didn't even make

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Speaker 1: it into the first block of our show, and it's disrespected,

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Speaker 1: frankly by the announcers Fox.

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Speaker 2: The seign to the game, Chris.

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Speaker 1: Back on NFL Daily before we took a break, you know,

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Speaker 1: Patrick said, I had a Daily Plaza like drive by

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Speaker 1: on the announcing crew. But Fox ranks the announcers. They

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Speaker 1: you know, they tell you before the season, what's our

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Speaker 1: number five team, what's our number sixteen? I'm just going

598
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Speaker 1: off of that, and they essentially assigned their number sixteen

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Speaker 1: to the Battle.

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Speaker 2: For the NFC sound title. That's kind of crazy.

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Speaker 5: So who are you saying is being disrespected here?

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Speaker 1: Gate the team, NFC Box and the Panthers deserve better.

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Speaker 3: And you're saying that based off the hierarchy from Fox,

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Speaker 3: not necessarily your evaluation.

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Speaker 1: Fox is telling you that the Vikings Giants is a

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Speaker 1: better game, okay than that, right, Greg?

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Speaker 4: Sometimes you just walk right into it.

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Speaker 3: Greg, You're Greg heat check warrant commission here, as we

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Speaker 3: look forward to the game of the year in the

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Speaker 3: NFC South, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers three point favorites in

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Speaker 3: Charlotte against the Carolina Panthers. The over under is forty

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Speaker 3: five and a half. Chris Myers and Mark Laar, who

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Speaker 3: we love and appreciate, are on the call. Jordan, Yes,

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Speaker 3: it was an annoying as predicted game for the Panthers

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Speaker 3: against the Saints. They lost, They lost the big opportunity.

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Speaker 3: Do they get it back against Baker?

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Speaker 6: This is quietly one of the best games of this

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Speaker 6: of the slate. The stakes are so high for both

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Speaker 6: of these teams, and I think the Panthers are so

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Speaker 6: streaky and like you mentioned, such an infuriating way where

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Speaker 6: the teams that you maybe whether it's the line or

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Speaker 6: or you know us as analysts or whatever, that you

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Speaker 6: would not expect them to beat, they dominate or at

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Speaker 6: least come down to the wire and win at the

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Speaker 6: last second. And then the teams that you would expect

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Speaker 6: them to struggle against or excuse me, the teams that

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Speaker 6: you would expect them to beat easily, they just don't.

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Speaker 6: And this is one of those games where I think

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Speaker 6: Tampa Bay's kind of shown a little bit of those

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Speaker 6: streaking qualities too. So it's two teams that have just

631
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Speaker 6: been unsteady against a variety of different types of opponents

632
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 6: and schemes and game plans all season, or at least

633
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Speaker 6: for Tampa Bay the second half of the season, and

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Speaker 6: now colliding in like the ultimate back against the wall game,

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Speaker 6: and you know, I expect your chaos.

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Speaker 1: I mean, these teams are both seven and seven, and

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Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say neither of them are

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Speaker 1: as good as their record. I mean, the Bucks are

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00:29:55,560 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: two and five in their last seven games. The Panthers, yeah,

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00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: in theory, you expect them to win. I guess big

641
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Speaker 1: against the Saints, but there was a reason, Like the

642
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: line wasn't that big, Like they don't beat anyone big.

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00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: They had that one Falcons win, But everything else comes

644
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Speaker 1: down to the wire. And the thing that concerns me

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Speaker 1: the most about them is that they're a bad running team,

646
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Speaker 1: Like their whole identity was about running the football. Since

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Speaker 1: Week ten, they are either thirtieth or thirty first in

648
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Speaker 1: EPA per rush or success rate, and that's where it

649
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: was just one play that the game turned in New Orleans,

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Speaker 1: and it was a simple play, was not being able

651
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Speaker 1: to pick up a fourth and one where the Saints

652
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: stuffed them. But the whole game changed then and it

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Speaker 1: was part of a running game they just haven't been

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Speaker 1: able to rely on now for a while. I actually

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Speaker 1: thought Bryce Young played very well in that game. Their

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Speaker 1: offense actually played very well. There just wasn't many possessions

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Speaker 1: until that fourth quarter, basically until that moment. But I

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Speaker 1: think it's asking a lot for Bryce to have, like

659
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: a better than average passing attack if the running game's

660
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: not good and the defense is at best.

661
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, Rico Dawdell's taken a step back from the excitement

662
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 6: earlier in the season, and you know, this offensive line

663
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 6: is still, to me, is still perfectly capable of being

664
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 6: an above average group, and I think they're one of

665
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 6: the more underrated groups in the league.

666
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 4: As a whole.

667
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 6: The player that I really am interested in seeing continuing

668
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 6: to emerge as Jayalen Cocher for Bryce Young, because over

669
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 6: the last couple of weeks he's played fantastic.

670
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 4: He obviously was injured.

671
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 6: He started the bulk of the season with dealing with

672
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 6: an injury that he received during at the very very end,

673
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 6: right before the season actually began, and where we thought

674
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 6: Ted McMillan could was going to start lining up in

675
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 6: all of the receiving spots because he had a couple

676
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 6: of games that were highly productive doing so, and there's

677
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 6: a lot of excitement about it. Jalen Cocher sneaky is

678
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 6: that guy. He's lining up wide thirty five percent of

679
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 6: the time per next Gen, he's in the slot sixty

680
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 6: percent of the time. And then you know, obviously he

681
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 6: can come out of the backfield very rare occasion and

682
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 6: then lining up tight to the condensed formation or close

683
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 6: to the stack, and he's giving the quarterback above a

684
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 6: one hundred passer rating at any alignment and he's producing,

685
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 6: he's getting open, and so for me, it's like, Okay,

686
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 6: does he now start to become somebody who can really

687
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 6: affect this passing game in a way that I think

688
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 6: we thought And it's a rookie. It's a rookie season

689
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 6: for t MAC. There's no doubt coming from me on him.

690
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 6: But Jalen Coker is the one who's really affecting defenses

691
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 6: right now, and I.

692
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 5: Think it's a you need Jalen Coker in this game.

693
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 3: Considering the way that Jammel Dean has played and the

694
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 3: side matchup between Dean and t MAC, It's going to

695
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 3: be a lot of Jamel Dean, yeah on T MAC.

696
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 3: And I want to pick the Carolina Panthers in this

697
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 3: game obviously. Like I'm a huge Bryce supporter. There's no

698
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 3: secret to anybody that listens to this podcast, but the

699
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 3: Bryce numbers against the blitz where you need to be

700
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 3: able to play and have success offensively against the blitz,

701
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 3: and if the run game is bogged down like Bryce's

702
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 3: EPA per drop back is negative thirty against the blitz. Wow,

703
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 3: this season that's five or more, you know five and

704
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 3: end up because you have to add in the heavy

705
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 3: blitz numbers. He's right there with Shador and Dylan Gabriel

706
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 3: and also Baker Mayfield where I'm trusting the Bucks defense

707
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 3: a little bit more than the Panthers defense. Although Tyler

708
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 3: Shuck's getting people here here late. I don't think it's

709
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 3: as big as an indictment as it would have felt

710
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 3: several weeks ago.

711
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 5: The way that they played. I know j. C. Horn

712
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 5: had a shot at one.

713
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 3: Of those game changing interceptions that just kind of glanced

714
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 3: off his fingers. It was the Saints really limiting the opportunities.

715
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 3: And that's what it's been like for the Panthers in

716
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 3: these these close games where it's like it is that

717
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 3: one fourth down, it is that couple of opportunities because

718
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 3: the defense is either getting the ball out and getting

719
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 3: the offense back on the.

720
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Speaker 5: Field or its long laborious drives over and over.

721
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Speaker 1: No I mentioned how bad they were running the ball,

722
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: they're equally bad stopping the run. So in terms of

723
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: what football coaches back, certainly in the seventies and eighties,

724
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: but they still talk about it's.

725
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Speaker 2: Like you want to run the ball, you want to

726
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 2: stop the run.

727
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: The Panthers are one of the worst teams in the

728
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: NFL at doing that right now.

729
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 2: That needs to turn around, but we.

730
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Speaker 1: Don't know if the Buccaneers are really ready to be

731
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: a team that takes advantage. Let's listen to Baker Mayfield

732
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: this week, because the expectations they were different than where

733
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 1: this team is at, and yet everything's still in front

734
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: of them.

735
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 2: If they can get their act together.

736
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Speaker 7: The finger pointings only happen and if you have bad

737
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 7: culture in the building. So that's that's not a problem

738
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Speaker 7: we have to deal with. And we met on a

739
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 7: Monday with the offense and I told him what I

740
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 7: said in the postgame press conference. I said, it's on me.

741
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 7: It's on this group. I expect us to be able

742
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 7: to score more than twenty eight in the situation like

743
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 7: that and put it out. It put the game out

744
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 7: of reach. So if you just nip it in the

745
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 7: butt in the beginning, the easy thing to do is

746
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 7: point at the defense because of the situation's the last

747
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 7: thing you see in the game. But if you look

748
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 7: at the whole game, you look at the way it played,

749
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 7: Blame me, don't blame.

750
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Speaker 6: Todd a little recency bias comment Terry from Baker Mayfield.

751
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 6: Look at the last thing suning game, I will say,

752
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 6: and I appreciate that he's doing that. The Bucks have

753
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 6: turned into from one of the best defenses in terms

754
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 6: of success rate that they started the season with. They

755
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 6: are very susceptible, especially to the explosive play. They've given

756
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 6: up one hundred and eleven explosive plays this season. And

757
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 6: that's that's worse than like the Ravens, for example, or

758
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 6: the Saints and so where you can some of the

759
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 6: like bits and pieces look stable, and some of the

760
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 6: like little pieces that offenses take out of them look

761
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 6: stable for most of the game. They have been for weeks,

762
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 6: highly susceptible to the explosive play.

763
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Speaker 1: I don't know what to think about this game. Zion McCollum,

764
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: by the way, is out for the year. The Bucks

765
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: cornerback who got a big contract and struggled all season.

766
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: Didn't seem healthy, but it was kind of picked on

767
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 1: like Bucky Irving has not been the most effective running

768
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: back on that team. Sean Tucker and Rashad Wait have

769
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: have been better on a per snap basis. It's a

770
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: big offensive rookie of the Year battle. If you look

771
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: at Tea mac and a Mecca Abuka's stats, they're almost

772
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: identical in every capacity. I'm not saying they're even the

773
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: only two candidates, but it's interesting they'll go against each

774
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: other twice in the final three weeks. I'm I'm feeling generous.

775
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: It's the holiday season. Oh, I might just give this

776
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: game to Jordan. I feel like you can enjoy.

777
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 4: Uh, I'm gonna get in the mud and love it.

778
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: Myers and Schlereth on the call, No, I really want

779
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,959
Speaker 1: this game. It's great, but it does it does feel

780
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: like a big time Jordan game.

781
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 6: And also, you know, speaking of I look forward to

782
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 6: what other games he gives me and then gives himself

783
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 6: as a you are sounding, uh like you've got something plotted.

784
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 2: Here that that Herbert game I want to watch.

785
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 3: And to circle back to how we started, uh, this

786
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 3: segment of the podcast. I believe it was Baker Mayfield

787
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 3: in the school book Depository with the Cleveland Browns driving

788
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 3: through Dalley Plaza when he talked about bad culture and

789
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 3: a chance to pick up his team but also maybe

790
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 3: send some rounds down the range.

791
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: Also like a little bit of a humbo Braget's like, hey,

792
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,439
Speaker 1: you got to score more than twenty eight points? Is like, well,

793
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: twenty eight points per game would be like the best

794
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: offensive of them.

795
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 6: All I can do is put up, you know, twenty

796
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 6: eight points, and that's on me.

797
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 4: Like, okay, how.

798
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 3: About an offense that consistently scores twenty eight points. That's

799
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 3: the Buffalo Bills, who are favored by ten on the

800
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 3: road at the Cleveland Browns defense, which has seen a

801
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,760
Speaker 3: lot of things go the other direction these past few weeks.

802
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,280
Speaker 3: The over under is forty two and a half. Iron

803
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 3: Eagle and JJ Watt greg on the call. The only

804
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 3: thing that I am interested in this game. Does Miles

805
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:34,720
Speaker 3: get one and a half?

806
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: I don't think so well, because, Okay, Josh Allen does

807
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: take some sex. I believe more this year.

808
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 8: Now.

809
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: I'm doing that off the top of my head. Traditionally

810
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: he doesn't. But this is a great offensive line, and

811
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: it's obviously a situation where I think they could be

812
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: playing with a positive game script. And so you think

813
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: of Spencer Brown and you think of Dion Dawkins. There's

814
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 1: not many tackle combos in the NFL that are better

815
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: than that. And considering how easy it's been to run

816
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: on the Browns defense the last couple of weeks, a

817
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: little surprising.

818
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 6: Josh Allen has taken the second most tied the second

819
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 6: most number of sacks he's taken in a season in

820
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 6: his career since twenty nineteen. That was thirty eight. Right

821
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 6: now he's at thirty three, tied for his twenty twenty two.

822
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's been a problem for them this season,

823
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 1: such a big change from last season. It took fourteen

824
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: all season, which is incredible. I just don't know if

825
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,280
Speaker 1: he's going to be dropping back more than twenty twenty

826
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: five times in this game. Stea right, nor should Yeah.

827
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: I hope you're right, But it doesn't seem like they

828
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: need to. They're just worried about winning a ball game.

829
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, and run the ball, run the ball, run the ball,

830
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 4: run the ball.

831
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Speaker 6: I don't have much to say about this Cleveland Browns unit,

832
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 6: like let it end, right, I said that about the

833
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 6: Giants last week.

834
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 4: Let it end. For God's sake, let it end.

835
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: Let's actually hear Josh Allen a last minute edition great

836
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: producing Behind the Glass by Eric Roberts and Jason Klein.

837
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 8: No thought about it. I do like highlight tapes, but

838
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 8: I don't like being a part of other people's highlight tapes.

839
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 8: I mean, he's an absolutely tremendous football player. He's one

840
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 8: of the greatest of all times. And yeah, I mean

841
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 8: he's he's a force to be reckoned with.

842
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: I should have noted that was Josh Allen talking about

843
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: the stack record, not Eric Roberts and Jason Cleman talking

844
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: about Miles Garrett coming at him.

845
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,760
Speaker 6: It might as well have been, you know, Eric Roberts.

846
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 6: You know he had that clip queued up. It's probably

847
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 6: what he's you know, listening.

848
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,879
Speaker 1: Oh, he's seeing all the national heads that they're like, well,

849
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 1: I guess if you have to pick an AFC team,

850
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: the Bills are as likely as anyone. And they need

851
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: to they need to keep winning. There's a lot of

852
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: reasons to believe that. I'll continue this week.

853
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 5: Yes, we believe in the Buffalo Bills.

854
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 3: Also again shout out to and Again it's been a

855
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 3: lot of torture discussion with the Cleveland Browns twenty twenty

856
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 3: five draft class. Top to bottom things have panned out,

857
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 3: especially considering Harold Fannin as well.

858
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: As and Yet I don't think that should save their

859
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: front office when they're paying three or four different offensive

860
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: linemen who are no longer playing well or healthy and

861
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: aged into next season even if they're not on the team.

862
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: And the same thing with Njoku and of course Deshaun Watson,

863
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 1: like they are in a rough situation. I don't want

864
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: to get into a long one with that. I did

865
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Speaker 1: want to know one thing I noticed last week is Cooks.

866
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks had like a drop at the beginning of

867
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: that game, and then he has one catch in sixty

868
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: five snaps for the Bills, and Keon Coleman is back

869
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: to just playing significantly more than Brandon Cooks. But so

870
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: that's on the offensive. On the defense, defensive side, you

871
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 1: know who's been getting it done, like.

872
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:37,720
Speaker 2: All the old guys.

873
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 1: Like last last week it was Jordan Poyer off the couch,

874
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: Matt Mlano looked pretty good.

875
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 6: White look totally different than he has.

876
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Speaker 2: Daekwon Jones. I don't know how old Daikwon Jones.

877
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Speaker 1: Is, but it feels like he's been in the NFL

878
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: for fifteen years. And just just shout out to those

879
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: guys getting it done.

880
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 5: They've gotten the spots play.

881
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 6: What a great play by Trudeavius White for that interception

882
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 6: against New England. And we talked about this too, the

883
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 6: second half of games. If we want to talk about defense,

884
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 6: is bringing it consistently now across the entirety of a game.

885
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 4: We want to see it still.

886
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 6: But the Bills in the second half of football games

887
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 6: have been rock solid all season.

888
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: And there's this idea that they's somehow lesser than they've

889
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: been in previous years. Look the team that they almost

890
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: made the Super Bowl at least I thought they would

891
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: have if they won that overtime game against the Chiefs.

892
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: They lost six games that year. Two seasons ago when

893
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,240
Speaker 1: they were right in the mix, they lost six games

894
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: that year. Like last last season they lost four game.

895
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 1: You know, they were a better but I don't think

896
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: they're that much different. You know who's leading the NFL

897
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: right now in yard differential, which I think is a

898
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: good stat Yeah, you've gained more yards than your opponent.

899
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 2: The Buffalo Bills, like leads the NFL.

900
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: They're a good football team, and yet they're very likely

901
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 1: to be a wild card.

902
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 6: I like how you pose the question as if we

903
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 6: could possibly guess that it was the Cleveland.

904
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: Brown I would have thought it'd be the Rams or

905
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: someone else other than the Bills, But it's Bills.

906
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 2: The Bills are very likely.

907
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: I don't want to disappoint all the fans out there

908
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: to be the wild card, because even if the Patriots

909
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: lose to the Ravens, they will hold the tie breaks

910
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: if they win their last two games against the Jets

911
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 1: and Dolphins, which is not you know, a definite, but

912
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: so even if the Bills lose out and they get

913
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: a little help this week with the Patriots losing to

914
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: the Ravens. Even then, in a tie scenario, the Patriots

915
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: do win the division over the Bills because of that

916
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: Dolphins lost.

917
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 6: I know you're glad to fit that little note in

918
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 6: right at the end of the segment here.

919
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 5: No, he just wants to he wants to prepare.

920
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 4: I don't want to.

921
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to in the Patriots because that We've

922
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: got more ballgame to talk about.

923
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 5: You know, Yeah, let's get let's get to a ball game.

924
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 5: We talked about it.

925
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 3: AFC perennial AFC contender with a generationally talented quarterback. This

926
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 3: is another one, but they're not a contender anymore. The

927
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 3: Cincinnati Bengals are favored by five and a half points

928
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 3: at the Miami Dolphins. We're gonna run twin excuse me,

929
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 3: quinn ewers out and Jordan, do we have a do

930
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 3: we have crystal updates?

931
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 5: How are we feeling crystal updates? Where the vibes could

932
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 5: be down horrendous for everybody involved.

933
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean we've sort of kind of read the

934
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 6: comments from Mike McDaniel correctly here that Tua Tongue I

935
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 6: Looo was likely going to get benched, and now he

936
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 6: has been he's not even the backup. He's the emergency

937
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 6: third quarterback for this Miami Dolphins team at this point.

938
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Speaker 4: And among the many.

939
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 6: Contracts that have been uh have sort of bogged down

940
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 6: this team over the years, this is going to be

941
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 6: one of them. In fact, I think what surprised me

942
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 6: was some of the reaction coming from a player who's

943
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 6: like not even in the building right now.

944
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 4: Via Tyreek Hill on social media.

945
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had, he had a tweet with this day

946
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 1: a peace sign.

947
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 2: Who knows. I think that.

948
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 3: It's it's normally a gift of the guy chucking the

949
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 3: deuces and and vanishing, and so.

950
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 6: That's yeah, that he's And then I'm also like, our

951
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 6: do you know if you're going to be there next year?

952
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,720
Speaker 1: Buddy? Like, well, I think that's what he's saying. THEA

953
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: and extra sea since Tua's bench too.

954
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 2: But uh.

955
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: He also said that Toron Armstead t staid, in his words,

956
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 1: started all this by wanting to be a podcast. I

957
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: don't know if I take Tyreek Hill's comments too seriously.

958
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,720
Speaker 1: I think he's I think he's lightly jabbing Toron Armstead.

959
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: He left tackle has been the least of their problems.

960
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,240
Speaker 1: By the way, this year, Patrick Paul, So, yeah, Quinn yours,

961
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: Quinn yours there, it is one of the highly most

962
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 1: highly recruited is this school college players of the decade?

963
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 6: Didn't really work out that next quarterback to start since

964
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 6: Chris Sims.

965
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 5: Well, no, we've we've had Colt McCoy in any number.

966
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 4: Oh, I forgot you know what.

967
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 2: People always forget.

968
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 4: About Colt McCoy.

969
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think there's got to be other ones. No,

970
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 2: that's it.

971
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: People always Vince Young, yea offensive rookie of the Year,

972
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 1: Vince yeng Vince Young.

973
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:57,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, I couldn't forget about Vince Young.

974
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:02,760
Speaker 1: So I want to point out, because people didn't believe

975
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: this when I sent it out on Blue Sky today,

976
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: that Quinn yours did have one of the best throws

977
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: of the year. And so if you're watching us on YouTube,

978
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: we appreciate you like and subscribe. But you can see

979
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: Quinn youwers deliver a dime fifty yards air yards down

980
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: the field while getting run over. And when I showed

981
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: you this the first time, Patrick, you said, well, I

982
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't have believed it until.

983
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 2: I saw it, and now you've completely forgotten it.

984
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I see it from multiple angles getting hammered,

985
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: dropped it in the bucket. I believe that's to Westbrook

986
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: or Kine down the field.

987
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 5: No, that d s Grege. That's it.

988
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 3: The Quinn youwers Escridge connection a highlight for the twenty

989
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 3: twenty five Dolphins where hopefully you know to of fins

990
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 3: of spot and he gets healthy. Clearly there's something physically

991
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 3: going on with a tongue. The velocity falling off of

992
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 3: the map that the hotter balloon to waddle was when

993
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 3: I thought, like watching that game, the game that I

994
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 3: wanted to needed the Miami Dolphins to win.

995
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: Not a call to other quarterback, well when the velocity's gone,

996
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: because I promise, like to those just you know, discovering

997
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: to a tongue of Ioloa in twenty twenty five, he

998
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: used to have more of an arm than this. You know.

999
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 1: It's crazy though that the line moved like five points

1000
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: with Quinn e were so I was like that that

1001
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: seems aggressive, just just for the difference between the two

1002
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: of them. I'm sure Mike McDaniel's thinking, I know the

1003
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 1: team's not as good, but when they when they put

1004
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: a little scare in the playoffs with why am I

1005
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: forgetting his name Thompson. What was Skyler sky Skyler Thompson

1006
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. I'm sure he's wanting to

1007
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: show his wares, and it's against a vulnerable defense that

1008
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: will be without Trey Hendrickson. Shout out to Miles Murphy,

1009
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: first round pick for a few years ago, who's playing

1010
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 1: pretty well.

1011
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 2: Well.

1012
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 4: You know what really struck me.

1013
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 6: I know this whole situation is a mess in Miami,

1014
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 6: but what really struck me was the word choice that

1015
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 6: Mike McDaniels that Mike McDaniel used. He said he needed convicted,

1016
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 6: And I'm like, oh, because to me, that speaks about

1017
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 6: decision making and confidence and a lot of things in

1018
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 6: the subtext of using that word versus deciding to say

1019
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 6: literally anything else.

1020
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, not a quarterback that's throwing playing with confidence. I

1021
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: do think just because teams always need quarterbacks, they could

1022
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: probably get someone to pay. I'm gonna put over under

1023
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: fifteen million dollars of to US fifty five, and the

1024
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: cap hits a little less if it's a trade versus

1025
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: a cut, and you save it off the fifteen million dollars.

1026
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: I just think someone will maybe take them on as

1027
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 1: like a backup one bee.

1028
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,959
Speaker 3: What about to a talk of our Loa's entry into

1029
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 3: the Kyle Shanahan's School.

1030
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 5: For quarterbacks who used to throw good? And yes throw

1031
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 5: good too.

1032
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:45,919
Speaker 2: Okay, what is that a school?

1033
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 4: Frands?

1034
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, you send you send Mac along to some team

1035
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: that's willing to give up too much for Mac Jones,

1036
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: and then you bring in to a as a discount

1037
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: for Rock.

1038
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 2: Pretty I like that as a backup next year. That

1039
00:47:58,719 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 2: makes sense.

1040
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: Let's take a break and we will wrap up the

1041
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 1: early games.

1042
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 2: From Sunday back on NFL Daily.

1043
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: We got three more games to get to and it's

1044
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: sad none of them have playoff ramifications. But we're good broadcasters.

1045
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: We're gonna good podcasters. We're gonna make them interesting. And

1046
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: also we've got the late game preview that's coming up

1047
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: too in the feed.

1048
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 3: Oh, it's more than interesting. Great because you have a

1049
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 3: tale of two cities and two quarterbacks. Because JJ McCarthy

1050
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 3: and the Minnesota Vikings, fresh off a win against the

1051
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys, Jordan Rodricks looked pretty good on offense other

1052
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 3: than throwing the ball to Justin Jefferson against a Giants

1053
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 3: team that has the hopes the fates of the most

1054
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 3: important city in the world, where people have to try

1055
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 3: extra hard because of the media and Jackson Dark getting

1056
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 3: a whole lot of attention. Which quarterback has the better

1057
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 3: rookie performance this time?

1058
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 4: What a setup.

1059
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 5: It's impactful.

1060
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: JJ's played like a rookie, but not technically a rookie.

1061
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 6: He's given him a red shirt, He's given him a

1062
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 6: red show.

1063
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1064
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 6: So I liked what I saw for the most part

1065
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 6: from JJ McCarthy last week.

1066
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 4: This is similar.

1067
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 6: Remember last year when we would watch some Caleb Williams,

1068
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 6: and Caleb would make these throws that you don't believe

1069
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 6: are even possible every once in a while, and then

1070
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 6: there would just be a lot of learning curve in

1071
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 6: the middle, and then obviously you know the scheme and

1072
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 6: every it was such a mess there. Not the case

1073
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 6: in Minnesota. But I'm kind of getting those vibes where

1074
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 6: like he's starting to understand his variant a little bit

1075
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 6: more now. Whether or not he understands the dance moves

1076
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 6: he's supposed to do in the end zone or not,

1077
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 6: I'm not sure, but I think we heard a little

1078
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 6: bit from him this week on the gritty.

1079
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 9: I did it in practice, and I was told not

1080
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 9: to do it, so it just me, you know, being

1081
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,240
Speaker 9: who I am. It's like, oh, now I'm more enticed

1082
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 9: to do it. But if it's that open, obviously, just

1083
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 9: getting the end zone no matter what, and be coachable

1084
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 9: and do what my coach says. So I'll definitely get

1085
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 9: a minus for that one.

1086
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 5: That's that's nine right there.

1087
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 4: No, I'm gonna touch the butt.

1088
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 2: It turned from nine to.

1089
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: JJ mid conversations because then he realized how it sounded.

1090
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 1: He was like, if Kevin O'Connell, who did laugh about it?

1091
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 1: When I first read the quotes without.

1092
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 4: Their face, it was totally fun Yeah, like.

1093
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: He's laughing, Kevin O'Connell's laughing about it. But I was like, oh,

1094
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: he told him not to do it, and so then

1095
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: he did it.

1096
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 2: That's kind of funny.

1097
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 5: Nobody tells me.

1098
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 2: But then nine just turns right into what's that movie with?

1099
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 4: Is it James McAvoy's the Actor Splice or something?

1100
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 5: Yeah? Split its split, Yeah, one of the one of

1101
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,280
Speaker 5: the regrettable Shamalan franchise.

1102
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 2: So many to choose from.

1103
00:50:54,120 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: JJ is now leading or the NFL in Big Time Weight,

1104
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: which is really kind of an indictment on the uh

1105
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,399
Speaker 1: really that he's tied with Stafford. Yeah, I mean, I'm

1106
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: not surprised just because I mean I am surprised.

1107
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 2: What am I saying? I'm shocked?

1108
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: But last week he had a ton and he hasn't

1109
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: had a ton of throws, big time full Wait, it's

1110
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 1: just a stat and usually it's the best quarterbacks in

1111
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: the league that are at the top of that stat.

1112
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: If it's not like, it's usually fluky player. So he

1113
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,919
Speaker 1: has me to your point. It's a big type place.

1114
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 1: And I do think his final three weeks is going

1115
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: to be really important for how we kind of evaluate

1116
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: his offseason and season if he continues to play like

1117
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,399
Speaker 1: this for three more weeks. In the last two games

1118
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: are against the Packers and the Lines, and he looks good,

1119
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: like want, I feel completely different than I did.

1120
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 3: Salvage And speaking of you know, like James McAvoy. Occasionally

1121
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 3: we do see Jackson Dark have great performances within a

1122
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 3: regrettable franchise, and there's Jackson Dart and then there's the

1123
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 3: absolute opposite. First read, isn't there Oh well, yolo, I'm

1124
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 3: gonna run out here and smash my head into somebody.

1125
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 3: Stay safe, please, Jackson. Which one do we get here.

1126
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 4: Or on the ground.

1127
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 2: This is a brutal matchup, I think, yeah, oh.

1128
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:16,280
Speaker 4: Yeah against this defense.

1129
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, to figure out the first half of that game

1130
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 1: was as bad as he looked last year, I mean

1131
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 1: this year against the Commanders, and then second half he

1132
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: played well. I just think they're gonna throw a lot

1133
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: on them.

1134
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 7: Now.

1135
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: They do have a good offensive line that you know,

1136
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: maybe they can communicate and figure out the protections better

1137
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: than most would. But one of the things on the

1138
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: other side too is JJ like they've gone almost all

1139
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: eleven personnel the last couple of weeks and that's really

1140
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: helped them, like to the point where people are like,

1141
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 1: maybe we should have done this sooner.

1142
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1143
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 6: Well, when people talk about simplifying something, I mean, that's

1144
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 6: that's what they mean. They're they're running most of their

1145
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 6: concepts out of one look, and where that could sometimes

1146
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 6: bite you in the butt if against certain defenses, in

1147
00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 6: this case, it's it's fine because it gives everybody claire

1148
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 6: and speed with which to make decisions, because it's they're

1149
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 6: not sifting through multiple personnels.

1150
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 4: Or changing the formations.

1151
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 6: I mean they are, but like they're not changing the

1152
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 6: personnels within the same play, which I think would help

1153
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 6: a younger quarterback out.

1154
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 2: And technically still alive.

1155
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: Here one of my worst over under picks of the year,

1156
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 1: Vikings over eight and a half not eliminated. Oh, I

1157
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: mean they would have to beat the Packers in the

1158
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: Lions in a row, but not eliminated. Little Daylight with

1159
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 1: this winning streak.

1160
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 5: Uh, the Daylight has you.

1161
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 4: Guys almost lost me there for a second.

1162
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 5: Oh my god, the Daylight has come to a close.

1163
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 5: In Flora Park.

1164
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 3: The New York Jets going on the road to the

1165
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 3: New Orleans Saints, who are favored by four and a

1166
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 3: half points. Tom McCarthy and Ross Tucker on the call

1167
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 3: where the oddsmakers have noticed the same thing. We have

1168
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 3: Tyler Shut playing pretty good ball right now, Gret.

1169
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: That is a real look in the mirror moment for

1170
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: the Jets, that they're four and a half point underdainst

1171
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 1: New Orleans, and I don't think it's enough. I'm taking

1172
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: New Orleans easy. I mean, this is one of the

1173
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: worst defenses we've seen with the Jets. We've seen Chuck

1174
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 1: look pretty good in tougher situations. The thing about Shuck

1175
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: that I love and you're seeing it on his highlights

1176
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: is if it's a third and thirteen that man has

1177
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: thrown at fifteen yards, there's no checking it down. His

1178
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: guy might be covered pretty well and man covered. He's

1179
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: throwing that ball in there, and for the most part,

1180
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: it's gonna be accurate, and Devon Bailey's gonna be making

1181
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:35,839
Speaker 1: some place for him. Devon Bailey's been great the last

1182
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. He got banged up at the end

1183
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: of that game, but he's really helped him out a lave.

1184
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: Dominated in the final two drives of that game after

1185
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: being quiet. Chuck has really opened my eyes and it's

1186
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: what the end of the season is all about for

1187
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: a team like the Saints.

1188
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, and the Jets. They can't get pressure, so they

1189
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 6: blitz a lot, which is great news if you're Tyler

1190
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 6: Schuck because yes, his season overall is a limited sample size,

1191
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 6: but he's thrown three touchdowns no interceptions against the Blitz

1192
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 6: this season per next Gen, one of nine quarterbacks who

1193
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 6: have not thrown an interception against the Blitz this year.

1194
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 6: And so it's there's nine, right, the real nine.

1195
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 4: Authentic now.

1196
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 6: But but I feel like it's good because they're going

1197
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 6: to throw the kitchen saying down them because again they're

1198
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 6: not getting pressure any other way. This is another like

1199
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,720
Speaker 6: build out your offense type of game. This is another

1200
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 6: We've said this about some of these matchups over the

1201
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 6: last couple of weeks, especially for teams that are beyond

1202
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,240
Speaker 6: the pale at this point. This is a try stuff

1203
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 6: a figure stuff out kind of game, especially for that

1204
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 6: Saints offense that's putting it together. Saints defense is much

1205
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 6: improved as well.

1206
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: Tyler Schuck used to wear the number nine. I can't

1207
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: wear it there now Now he wears six because six

1208
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:57,240
Speaker 1: is three less than nine. That's the explanation close enough. Okay,

1209
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: maybe it's the upside down nine, like they missed the

1210
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: field goal, or like that's legitimately the I don't know.

1211
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 2: That was the explanation that I found for it.

1212
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 1: You know, he couldn't couldn't wear the nine there, understandably,

1213
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: quick eyes, quick eyes, Tyler Stuck like he's making he's

1214
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: making quick decisions.

1215
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 4: And Aaron, well, he's seen a lot of football, Greg, he.

1216
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 1: Has seen a lot of football. That man has been

1217
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: around a long time. You know who else, says Aaron Glenn,

1218
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: whose defenses have not performed how he's wanted them to

1219
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. He fired Steve Wilks, the

1220
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. This week we hadn't hit that yet. And yeah,

1221
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be more of Glenn I

1222
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: guess now calling the plays for the Jets.

1223
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 5: Looking forward to the future in Florn Park.

1224
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 4: A lot of picks see what they knew with him.

1225
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 5: We'll see.

1226
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: Chuck's got to keep it going to because Michael Pennock.

1227
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 1: You know, Michael Pennocks had a great four games. Everyone

1228
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 1: got excited about Jackson Dark after three or four games.

1229
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,879
Speaker 1: I think we felt differently about than we do now.

1230
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 1: So that the real test being an NFL quarterback like

1231
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 1: we've seen guys pop up. Will Levis had some moments

1232
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: as a as a rookie court back. I want to

1233
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 1: see him land the plane here shout shout out.

1234
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 6: To Chase Young very very very very very quietly having

1235
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 6: a little bit of a comeback here, a little resurgence.

1236
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: How about the Saints, like they might might pressure rate,

1237
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: you know this year where everyone was staying they would

1238
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: draft one overall help. They're over under very much on

1239
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: the table and they might not be drafted in the

1240
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: top eight or nine picks at this rate.

1241
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 5: You know why front office great decisions.

1242
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they're going to resign Mickey Loomis the forty

1243
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: year contract after this.

1244
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 2: Oh let's let's let's go crazy. We lost double digit

1245
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 2: games again, so let's get nine.

1246
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 5: Excuse me it was ten before.

1247
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 3: Let's get a forty year deal for the best in

1248
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 3: the game. Kevin Harlan and Trent Green on the call

1249
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 3: for CBS as the Mahomes list. Kansas City Chiefs are

1250
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 3: favored by three and a half, but they are on

1251
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 3: the road at a Tennessee Titans team that has the

1252
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 3: hottest running back in the game right now in Tony

1253
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 3: Pollard going up agains good rushing defense.

1254
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 5: Am I crazy? Jordan? Were thinking that Cam and the

1255
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 5: Titans have a good opportunity to knock off Gardner? Minshew here,

1256
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 5: You're not.

1257
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 4: Crazy at all.

1258
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 6: No, Ma Homes Chiefs are eliminated like bad vibes, rebuild

1259
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 6: vibes in multiple phases of their team dealing with the

1260
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 6: aftershock of them homes injury. The Titans just kind of

1261
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 6: have been playing for the hell of it for most

1262
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 6: of this season. Yeah, I do think absolutely, I think

1263
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 6: the Titans have a shot in this one.

1264
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 1: Well, the Chiefs also their practice report and you never know,

1265
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: like but it just felt like a practice report.

1266
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 2: Of a team that no longer has anything to play for.

1267
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe not.

1268
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 1: But Juan Taylor he's been out, Wandia Morris has been out.

1269
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: But Trent McDuffie also injured. Hi Rice I believe was

1270
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 1: out of a protocol. He's in the concussion protocol. So

1271
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 1: they're just not they're not going to push players maybe

1272
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: to play, not that you would escape the protocol without

1273
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 1: him being able to pass the test, but I don't know.

1274
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 2: They might not. They might be pushing players to play

1275
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 2: through injuries.

1276
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 5: Right now, understandably.

1277
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 3: So, yeah, especially the events when you talk about the

1278
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 3: Kelsey's and the Chris Joneses of the world. I mean,

1279
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 3: we say it, it was true three seasons ago. You

1280
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 3: go on these extended postseason runs where they've they've come

1281
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 3: out of the Wildcard on a couple of these times

1282
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 3: to go to the super Bowl and gone on the

1283
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 3: road to go to the Super Bowl. They've played extra

1284
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 3: seasons worth of football, Like it's not you know, it's

1285
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 3: not like questioning their fortitude if they choose to sit

1286
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 3: some guys here after being eliminated and you know, shout

1287
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 3: out to Gardner Minshew in the run that he had

1288
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 3: after he invented RVs and racial hair, where you know,

1289
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 3: he gardnered a lot of attention in the national media.

1290
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 3: But you know you asked famously, Greg, when does he

1291
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:52,959
Speaker 3: stop getting away with it? I think you're December twenty

1292
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 3: twenty five, maybe when Gardner Minshew stopped.

1293
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 2: Not a bad matchup for him, though.

1294
00:59:56,720 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 6: Jeffrey Simmons coming right up Adam, right up the gap

1295
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 6: right there, potentially a threat in the passing game too.

1296
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 2: That's that's true star.

1297
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 4: The two way Star. I thought it was going to

1298
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 4: be Travis Hunter, but it's Jeffrey Simmons.

1299
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: I went and checked this because on the podcast previously,

1300
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 1: I was like, I think Jeffrey Simmons could be the

1301
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 1: first team All Pro. He's actually never been that before,

1302
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: and I was like, well, I gotta think, like, are

1303
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: there any other options this year before I just make

1304
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 1: a statement and it's like, no, Jeffrey Simmons is clearly

1305
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 1: one of the two. He's pretty clearly the one. His

1306
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 1: pass rush win rate is miles beyond any interior rusher,

1307
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: his pressures, anything that you would want to look at,

1308
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: miles beyond. So just an awesome season, and yet this

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01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 1: team is one of the worst pass rush teams outside

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Speaker 1: of him in the NFL. Brock Purdy did not get

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Speaker 1: sniffed a week ago, and so I don't know. Gardner

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Speaker 1: Minch is a good player as a backup. Remember that

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Speaker 1: cold season, I wouldn't you know, I'm still picking.

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Speaker 4: All I remember is.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. I was to say, all I remember is the

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Speaker 6: true disappointment emanating from Shane Steichen after Gardner Minshew missed

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Speaker 6: that fourth down brow That's what I remember. I also

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Speaker 6: Jeffrey Simmons has fifty one pressures. Just wrap your head around,

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Speaker 6: brain around that. That is wild one pressure.

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Speaker 1: I also do want to address since this is the

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Speaker 1: Kevin Harlan game, I've received a lot of criticism from

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Speaker 1: members inside the building. Really just one member of how

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Speaker 1: I read the Hanukkah prayer in the voice of Kevin Harlan,

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Speaker 1: which I thought it was more of the spirit. That's

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Speaker 1: what That's what the Hankkah season holiday season is all about.

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Speaker 1: But to quote the slack I reserved I received during it,

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Speaker 1: you sucked at the blessing. I mean that seems harsh

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Speaker 1: and I got that in person too, And yeah, It

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Speaker 1: was very direct, but I I stand behind it, and

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Speaker 1: I know some of our Jewish listeners and other listeners

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Speaker 1: that they enjoyed it at least, so I'm.

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Speaker 2: Not gonna do it again. It was spirited, and let's

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Speaker 2: take a quick break.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna come back and we're gonna talk about some

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Speaker 1: of the biggest games of this week. We got Steelers Lions,

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Speaker 1: we got a big time jag spot. We got Patriots

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Speaker 1: and Ravens on Sunday Night football that'll be in our

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Speaker 1: late and primetime game preview coming up in the field

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Speaker 4: And the Raiders are there too,