1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: Thank you ny one boy Drew and wand and then 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: waiting more. 3 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 2: Welcome to Massa Territory, ladies and gentlemen, I brought to 4 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 2: you by Fox one. We got a special guest here today, 5 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 2: Lance Brazdowski of the Marquee Sport Network out of Chicago. Lance, 6 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 2: my friend, how you doing? 7 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 3: What's up? Robbi? Thanks for having me, man, I'm doing great. 8 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 3: How about you? 9 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 2: We're doing good? 10 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:43,319 Speaker 1: Man? 11 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 2: I mean like you, uh you know sad ending. Here 12 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 2: are your cubbies, uh you know falling short, My Red 13 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 2: Sox falling short. So we're just waiting to see what 14 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 2: happens here. We got basically a best out of three 15 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 2: now between the Dodgers and the Blue Jays. Who's gonna 16 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 2: pull this out? 17 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 3: Man? 18 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 2: Are we gonna get the Dodgers repeat? Or we're gonna 19 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 2: get that first World Series since nineteen ninety three for 20 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 2: the Blue Jays? What are you thinking? 21 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 3: I'm still leaning towards the Dodgers. I always want things 22 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 3: to go seven when I don't have a horse in 23 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 3: the race, though, so Game sevens are the best thing 24 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 3: in sports, so it's an easy Callger, just push it 25 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 3: to seven. I was pretty stunned the Blue Jays one 26 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,559 Speaker 3: Game four. I just thought the eighteen inning deflation would 27 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 3: really carry over to the next day, but it has, 28 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 3: especially with Oughtani on the mat, I'm thinking, what the 29 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 3: heck I mean listen PTSD for me, I mean that 30 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 3: the eighteen inning game, and we had that in twenty 31 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 3: eighteen with the red size as I'm not even kidding. 32 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 3: As that game was going on, I'm thinking it's gonna 33 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 3: go eighteen innings, isn't it. That's just how the baseball 34 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 3: gods are just doing this. They're just you know, of 35 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 3: course we won the worst stay off on the East coast? 36 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 3: Say that again? Did you stay up all the way 37 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 3: on the East Coast? 38 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 2: I did not make it all the way through. Unfortunately, 39 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 2: I stayed up. I think I tapped out probably like 40 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 2: maybe like between the fifteenth between the bottom of the 41 00:01:57,800 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: seven of the fifteenth inning. 42 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 3: So yeah, I fell asleep on the couch in the 43 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 3: fifteenth and I woke up and I was like, oh, 44 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 3: the game's. 45 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 2: Over, you know, you know twenty eighteen for me when 46 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 2: that I'm not kidding. I did pass how many times? 47 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 2: About three times? I think I dozed off and I 48 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 2: woke up every time, like in a sweat thinking what 49 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 2: happened and the game was still on and uh, unfortunately, 50 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 2: of course I woke up when Max Muntsey hit the 51 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 2: walk off homer. So anyway, beautiful. Yeah, it's gonna be 52 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 2: exciting to see what happens here. But listen, who cares 53 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: about the World series? We've got some Red Sox to 54 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 2: talk about here. We're gonna talk some picching in this episode. 55 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:38,959 Speaker 2: And let the viewers home at home know, you know, 56 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 2: what are you all about? And tell them where they 57 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 2: can find you. You got great stuff. I've been a 58 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 2: big fan of your stuff for a while now, but 59 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 2: let the viewers at home know where can they find you? Yeah? 60 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 3: Thanks a ton no. 61 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: So. 62 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 3: I worked for the Chicago Cubs regional sports network, similar 63 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 3: to like Nessen and Boston. I'm like an honor talent. 64 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 3: I also help with some producing and stuff on our 65 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 3: prem post game shows, and then I have a lot 66 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 3: of stuff on my own, just personal brand stuff, you know. 67 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 3: I have a substack that's basically goes out every day 68 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 3: during the season recapping kind of what I'm seeing on 69 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 3: the pitching side. It's kind of like a brained up. 70 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 3: It's probably one of the nerdier things I do. So 71 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 3: that's definitely for like the deep cut people who really 72 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 3: enjoy my content. And then the more accessible stuff is 73 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 3: definitely just on YouTube. I trying to do some higher 74 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 3: level breakdowns and stuff going on league trends. I really 75 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,679 Speaker 3: enjoy looking at so trying to put my content and 76 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 3: voice out there in a variety of ways across the 77 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 3: internet webs. 78 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 2: Oh, it's fantastic. 79 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 4: You know. 80 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 2: I tried as much as I can to get more 81 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 2: into the you know, the advanced analytics metrics, but my 82 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 2: potato brain can only go so far. That's why we 83 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 2: need people like you out there. 84 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 3: You do a good job. 85 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 2: Come on, come on, I'm listen. I'm just trying to 86 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 2: be humble over here. Okay, but no, you really get 87 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 2: into more of the advanced stuff, more of the mechanical 88 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 2: stuff where I touch on you know, the stats and whatnot. 89 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 2: You do too, but you really get into all the 90 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 2: arm angles and the release points. I love it. It's 91 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 2: great stuff. But everyone listening, please go follow a Lance 92 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 2: on YouTube. But let's get into it here. Let's talk 93 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 2: some socks. We got to talk some socks here. I mean, 94 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 2: you know, looking at the Red Sox, both the starting 95 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 2: pitching and the relief pitching. There were a lot of 96 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 2: good things this past year, and I want to point 97 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 2: this outs. If we had a conversation last year, and 98 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 2: I'm sure you've noticed this as well, the one thing 99 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 2: you noticed back in twenty twenty four was the fastball 100 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 2: usage with the Red Sox dead last thirty seven point 101 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 2: one percent, but we saw a big increase this year, 102 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 2: all the way up to forty eight point six percent. 103 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 2: I was fourteenth in the major leagues, and a big 104 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 2: reason for that was Garrett Crochet. I got to ask 105 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 2: your thoughts on Crochet from this past year. 106 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 3: I thought he was fantastic. Yeah, I had a bold 107 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 3: prediction earlier in the year that he would basically win 108 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 3: like the Triple Crown for pitching in the Scion, et cetera. Unfortunately, 109 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 3: tex Skooball is an incredibly good pitcher. But you hit 110 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 3: on a point that I think is a great thing 111 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 3: to identify about the Red Sox as a whole from 112 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 3: a pitching standpoint. I think the rebounded forcing usage, in particular, 113 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 3: because Crochet actually dropped his forcing usage relative to when 114 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 3: he was a White Sox so despite the fact he 115 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 3: was throwing a lot of forceamers and boosted up the 116 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 3: Red Sox for some usage as a whole relative to 117 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 3: what he was doing at the White Sox. They did 118 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 3: cut back a bit through more of that shortcutter sweep, etc. 119 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 3: Played around some of his mix to start throwing a 120 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 3: lot more sinker, et cetera. But I think this is 121 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 3: a larger trend to highlight for the Red Sox. Like 122 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 3: if you look between twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four, 123 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 3: when they brought some new brass in et cetera, there 124 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,799 Speaker 3: was a pretty big year overyear flip in the minor league, 125 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 3: specifically in terms of how many force smers they threw. 126 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 3: It was the largest cut. They went from like probably 127 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 3: mid forty percents down to like mid thirty percents. And now, 128 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 3: what I think we're seeing is like when you now 129 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 3: have the new thinkers in here, new ideas, they're starting 130 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 3: to identify the kinds of forcing fastballs that they want 131 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 3: to throw, such that you're gonna naturally see a little 132 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 3: bit of like the kick up. But what happens sometimes 133 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 3: when more of these progressive minds come into organizations is like, 134 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 3: why were you throwing this? She shouldn't be throwing this. 135 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 3: If we're trying to find success, you're gonna throw other things. 136 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 3: I think this may happen in the Washington Nationals relevant 137 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 3: to this Red Sox stuff. But like we see this 138 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 3: time and time again. We saw with the Marlins, we're 139 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 3: seeing it about the Red Sox, and I think you 140 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 3: saw through their draft philosophy in twenty five to two, 141 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 3: taking some of the arms like Kison Witherspoon and Marcus 142 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 3: Phillips that they took, they're just iding the kinds of 143 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 3: forcing fastballs they want to throw and uh and perhaps 144 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 3: a lot of the time that's pushing them maybe back 145 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 3: into like cutter usage. I know they've been top three 146 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 3: and cutter usage in baseball in each of the last 147 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 3: three seasons. So there's some fun like machinations of how 148 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 3: they're getting to the results they're getting to that is 149 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 3: unique from some other teams in baseball. 150 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 2: You know, it seems very like sounds very technical when 151 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 2: you get into you know, the fastball usage, different types 152 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 2: of cuts run and whatnot. But it's almost at the 153 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 2: same time, it almost feels like the Red Sox are 154 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 2: keeping it as simple as possible. They're they're going it 155 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 2: just brought the draft, right, they're taking a lot of 156 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 2: these big bodied pictures. 157 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 5: Right. 158 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 2: Peyton Totley was one example we saw this year. You know, 159 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 2: Kayson Witherspoon is a little on the thicker side. Marcus 160 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 2: Phillips as well, you knows, big bodied guys. And but 161 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 2: you know, with the Red Sox, it seems like you're 162 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 2: kind of just getting an idea of where they're going 163 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 2: with the pitching. Unfortunately, behind Crochet there definitely I think 164 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 2: could be some room for improvement. Right, Lucas Giolito, Brian Bao, 165 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 2: they were solid this year, right, but they looked like 166 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 2: more like three fours in the rotation to me, not 167 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 2: a whole lot of swinging miss behind Garrett Crochet. And 168 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 2: you know, funny enough, with the Red Sox this past year, 169 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 2: they were twenty first in fifth percentage with the starting pitching. 170 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 2: Garrett Crochet had a thirteen point seven percent swinging strike rate. 171 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 2: That rate sixth in Major League Baseball. So it's just 172 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 2: crazy that the Red Sox ranked twenty first, Right, That's 173 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 2: how low they were. The next highest was Lucas Giolito 174 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 2: at a nine point nine percent, and the league average 175 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 2: was eleven percent. So just goes to show I think 176 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 2: we know what the Red Sox need in the rotation, 177 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 2: a bit more swing and miss. Is that kind of 178 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 2: where you're leaning with the Red Sox moving forward? 179 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I did something pretty interesting there. So, 180 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 3: like they had the fifth best eray in all the 181 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 3: baseball second best BULLPENNI right, So they were like top 182 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 3: ten and a lot of stats from the pitching standpoint, 183 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 3: but if you look at them, like the underlying stuff. 184 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 3: So there's this really nerdy stack called x FIP, which 185 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 3: is like, let's just look at what the picture does 186 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 3: from a strikeout, walk, and barrel standpoint, basically Homer's and 187 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 3: like determine what we think he controlled that should have 188 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 3: been his results, and they were more like middle of 189 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 3: the road on that they were twelveth so basically league 190 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 3: average as opposed to again being really strong on the 191 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 3: actual like what happened on the balls of the play. Now, 192 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 3: a lot of time people might just say, I don't 193 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 3: really care about the underlying stat Like they had a 194 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 3: top five VRA, so like good, that checks the box. 195 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 3: But from a predictiveness standpoint, like trying to look forward 196 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 3: despite the fact they're going to change some personnel et cetera. 197 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 3: On the actual rotation, we'll see what they end up 198 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 3: doing and such. But yeah, I think that's the thing 199 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 3: to id. And you see this a little bit on 200 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 3: the hitting side too, where like they got decent results, 201 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 3: but their discipline was like kind of fine. You know, 202 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 3: Like I from doing like a retrospective on this team 203 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 3: before this podcast, Like they did a lot of things 204 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 3: really well. They didn't do a ton that was like 205 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 3: exceptionally good, but they got good results, which I think 206 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 3: implies good like strategic management and good coaching. They had 207 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 3: a good defense, et cetera. So there's a lot of 208 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 3: things here. I think they have like a lot of 209 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:10,119 Speaker 3: avenues to go down from like a team improvement standpoint 210 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 3: that could really help them push into being like a 211 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 3: better team than they were. And listen, they were really 212 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 3: good last year. Like I get they were the third 213 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 3: best team in that division, but they had like the 214 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 3: sixth best run differential and all of baseball. They just 215 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 3: happened to be in the AL East, which is always 216 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 3: gonna be tough. Like this was an objectively good season 217 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 3: from the Red Sox. It's just the format of the 218 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 3: playoffs is really random. You can be an eighty nine 219 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 3: win team and end up having to play a best 220 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 3: of three set where literally anything can happen. And I 221 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 3: don't think the fact they got bounced at early is 222 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 3: any indication that they had a bad season. I think 223 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 3: they had a really good season. It's just it's the 224 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 3: randomness of baseball. There's really no other way to solve 225 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 3: it unless they want to expand to like a five 226 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 3: game set off the top, which I don't think I 227 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 3: would hate. 228 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 2: But I don't know. 229 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 3: That's just kind of my take on the team as 230 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 3: a whole from an outsider perspective. 231 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. I mean, I think you kind of 232 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 2: just saw. I mean, I honestly think that Wildcard series 233 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 2: was kind of a reflection of the good things of 234 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 2: the Red Sox this year, but also the bad at 235 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 2: the same time. Crochet dominated in Game one, but then 236 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 2: Brian BeO couldn't make it out of the third inning 237 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 2: in Game two. And you know, Connorley early, We'll talk 238 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 2: about him in a second. He flashed them good things 239 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 2: in Game three, but the defense crept up behind him. 240 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 2: You know, the Red Sox defense, great outfield defense this 241 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 2: year infield, very up and down. 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I'm 266 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 2: very interested because free agency historically under the John Henry regime, 267 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 2: they haven't usually invested big when it comes to long 268 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 2: term contracts. I'll go a little a little back in 269 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 2: the past John Lackey, they invested in him and David Price. 270 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 2: Besides that, not really a whole lot. But you got 271 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 2: some guys like Dylan Cees out there. But the trade market, 272 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 2: it seems like that's where maybe that would be the 273 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 2: best route for them to go. Boy blank, where do 274 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 2: you think the Red Sox need to go here to 275 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 2: try and get a number two? 276 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you highlighted both the angles. Like I 277 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 3: think the thing we saw at the deadline, that's gonna 278 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 3: be hard for them to swing, like a Joe Ryan 279 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 3: trade if that is like the pipe dream, which I'm 280 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 3: sure there's a bunch of teams in baseball that would 281 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 3: love Joe Ryan and the rotation. It's just we saw 282 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 3: there was a clear difference in what teams that had 283 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 3: controllable starting pitching we're asking versus those that wanted to 284 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,719 Speaker 3: acquire it. We're willing to give, and none of no 285 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 3: instance did any of those controllable starting pitchers get moved, 286 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 3: which to me implies there's a cavern from evaluation perspective 287 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 3: between these organizations. How quickly that's reconciled. I really have 288 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 3: no idea. This could be something that lasts for another 289 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 3: year or two. We just don't see a lot of 290 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 3: good controllable starting pitching move until there's like one GM 291 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 3: that I ds it and goes, no, there's there's a 292 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 3: value differential here. You know, we can go over the 293 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 3: model that we're using to value this, et cetera. So 294 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 3: that's where I struggle a bit. It's like, if if 295 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 3: you want Joe Ryan, you're probably gonna have to give 296 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 3: a Payton Toll, you know, if you want a San Dielo, 297 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 3: Contra or Cabrera, one of those types, he's probably gonna 298 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 3: have to be on the table to some extent, unless 299 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 3: you could try to swing it with other pieces. But 300 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 3: I would imagine the Marlins are looking at Toll and going, yeah, 301 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 3: that's the guy we want. So that's the problem I 302 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 3: think to some extent is like I think that may 303 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,439 Speaker 3: force teams to go into this free agent starting pitching 304 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 3: market and take a Dylan c Set thirty million a 305 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 3: year or whatever you want to pay him high twenties. 306 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 3: I'm not entirely sure what he's projected to get, but 307 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 3: let's say it's between like twenty eight and thirty two 308 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 3: terms of aav you know that is maybe the safer 309 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 3: route to go if you're more comfortable spending than you 310 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 3: are trading from prospect depth. It's a great question. It's 311 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 3: one that I imagine that the Red Sox have to 312 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 3: think go over this offseason in terms of how they 313 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 3: want to approach filling the number two starting patrol, which 314 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 3: I do agree as a whole. The obvious options again 315 00:13:58,679 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 3: or Joe Ryan if you want to give up the 316 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 3: problem specs. If not, I think Cease is probably worth 317 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 3: the money. And he lines up relatively with what the 318 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 3: Red Sox like from like cut fastball standpoint. His shapes 319 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 3: actually look a bit like Kyson Witherspoon's in terms of 320 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 3: what they drafted in this mostitution draft from him, So 321 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 3: I mean Cees is just kind of like a superpowered 322 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 3: version of that. And he didn't really pitch that well 323 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 3: this year, which is weird because like the entire season, 324 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 3: I was waiting for him to revert back to being 325 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 3: a good pitcher, and he just didn't. So I think 326 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 3: he's an easy bounceback candidate for this coming season. They 327 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 3: have some sharp minds there in the Red Sox Brats 328 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 3: from a pitching standpoint that I really think could turn 329 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 3: him back into like a low three z Ra pitcher 330 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 3: and that you know, would be fantastic behind a god 331 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 3: like Garat Crochet. 332 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I keep putting my eyes on Cease 333 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 2: and I keep wondering about him because over the last 334 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 2: couple of offseasons, the Red Sox have shown interest in 335 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 2: him that they've popped up in the rumor mill. I 336 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 2: just wonder are they gonna spend the big bucks. I'm 337 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 2: not quite sure. Another trade candidate out there, and you 338 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 2: know this guy all too well being in the NL 339 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 2: Central and that's Hunter Green. And uh, before I actually 340 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 2: dive into Hunter Green, are you surprised at all that 341 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 2: his name has come up this offseason or we're season yet, 342 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 2: but going into the off season. 343 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 3: It's a good point. I mean, I do think a 344 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 3: lot of these smaller market teams, like the usual way 345 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 3: this goes is like you have a good piece and 346 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 3: then when that piece gets within three or two years 347 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 3: of free agency. You know, if you don't think you 348 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 3: have greater than a twenty five percent chance to retain him, 349 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 3: of which the Reds probably have lower than that, then 350 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 3: I get what they're trying to do. You're trying to 351 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 3: maximize the potential return and keep yourself competitive. This is 352 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 3: just the natural turn of baseball overall. So I am 353 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 3: surprised to some extent because I guess I don't even 354 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 3: know Green's contract status off the top of my head. 355 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 3: When is he afraid he's got He's under like a 356 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 3: pretty team friendly deals as an option at the end 357 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 3: of it he has, I can pull that up. 358 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 2: Really, I'm curious. It's definitely more regardless. 359 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he's probably got like two three years of control, 360 00:15:58,040 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 3: but I can't say. 361 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 2: Runs through two twenty twenty eight and has a club 362 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 2: option for twenty twenty nine. 363 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So I mean you're gonna have to give 364 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 3: up an absolute hall And this goes back to my 365 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 3: point around Joe Ryan, who was two years of controls 366 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 3: Like I don't, I haven't seen a trade yet where 367 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 3: a team has met the price that teams are asking 368 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 3: for a guy like this, and perhaps it's just them 369 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 3: starting the conversations around this stuff such that you can 370 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 3: revisit it, which it seemed like the Red Sox were 371 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 3: worrying conversation on a guy like Joe Ryan. Seems like 372 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 3: the Cubs were in conversation on or with Cabrera and others, 373 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 3: you know, Mackenzie Gore, etc. Like all these things happen. 374 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 3: It's just we're not gonna get the reporting until the 375 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 3: deal's done and understand the pieces that are flowing in 376 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 3: and out. So I'm not surprised, am I Partially? Yeah, 377 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 3: I guess kind of maybe, but like I just, I 378 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 3: don't think it's gonna get done this offseason if it 379 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 3: gets done, partially because I just I'm convinced that right 380 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 3: now you have a giant cavern between the team selling 381 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 3: the starting pitching and the team trying to acquire it, 382 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 3: and the price is not meeting what the asking price is. 383 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's very interesting with the Reds, and you know, 384 00:16:58,200 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 2: you saw a bit of the Reds of this year 385 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 2: covering the Cubs, and it's crazy because they have a 386 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 2: hitter friendly park, but their offense this year was so 387 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 2: up and down. Part of me wonders if the Red 388 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 2: Sox and the Reds actually line up pretty well for 389 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 2: a trade where maybe someone like Jaron Durant or William 390 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 2: or Bray could be on the table. Maybe he could 391 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:18,719 Speaker 2: work some kind of a deal there where the Red 392 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 2: Zata Bat Red Sox seat a pitcher, maybe you could 393 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 2: do something there. But I will ask you this, if 394 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 2: the Red Sox were to make a trade for say 395 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 2: a Joe Ryan or a Hunter Green, maybe Sandy L. 396 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 2: Conch or whoever it may be, they got two guys here. 397 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 2: And Peyton Totally and Connelly Early both showed some good 398 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,479 Speaker 2: things this past year. Peyton Totley had an incredible debut 399 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 2: against the Pirates and then he kind of fell off 400 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 2: a little bit. Big fastball from the left side, you 401 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 2: could argue the best fastball in all of baseball this 402 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 2: past year. With the amount of swing and miss he 403 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 2: was getting the stuff on it. It was just lights out. 404 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,199 Speaker 2: He's got to work on the secondaries a little bit 405 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 2: though this coming offseason. And then Connolly Early really flashing 406 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 2: a lot of swing and miss this past year. I 407 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 2: mean the stuff plus was off the sharts, setting a 408 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 2: record in his Red Sox debut, tying the record for 409 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 2: strikeouts for a rookie in their debut. I mean Connor leroo, 410 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 2: I mean just saw him in the wildcard round, right. 411 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 2: If it wasn't for the defense, Connell Early probably would 412 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 2: have been able to go toe to toe with Cam Schlitzler. 413 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 2: But if I were to ask you this, you know, 414 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 2: based off of what those two guys flashed, if you're 415 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 2: to kind of your heads to the fire a little bit, 416 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 2: if you had to give up one of those guys, 417 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 2: who would you rather hang on to if you were 418 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 2: to make a trade for a number two, The twenty 419 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 2: twenty five baseball season is down to what matters most, 420 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 2: lifting the trophy. 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I think there's some intangible element of 446 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 3: him expanding his mix so rapidly in a matter of 447 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 3: like three months in the minors. You know, they kicked 448 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 3: in a cutter which he threw a bunch in the majors, 449 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:00,959 Speaker 3: they added a curveball, they flipped to a kick change up, 450 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 3: like there's so much that went on to the point 451 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 3: where you saw this a little bit like Jonah Toong 452 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 3: from the Mets, where he comes up in different kinds 453 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 3: of pictures, very much so, but still like both pretty 454 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 3: electric fastballs, and I like the fact that this gave 455 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 3: him exposure. It's just we're seeing this more and more, 456 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 3: or some of these guys just don't come up at 457 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 3: finish as finished products. So just that I don't think 458 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 3: it's fair to like say Early and totally are on 459 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 3: the same level from a teering perspective as prospects. Like 460 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 3: Early is a guy that I was looking at in 461 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 3: the minors and I liked him, but something happened when 462 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 3: he got to the majors, or he had like these 463 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 3: crazy command bump like everything was in zone more, he 464 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 3: was dotting everything more, he wasn't missing. I generally would 465 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 3: say that's not gonna sustain based on what he'd shown 466 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 3: us prior, unless something just happened to occur in the 467 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 3: majors that I wasn't able to id. So I just 468 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 3: think like like Early is a good picture and it's 469 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 3: fun to have him in rotation. But the upside on 470 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 3: I guy like totally is insane. You know what I mean? 471 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 3: Like that is, you know, he could be Garrett Crochet 472 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 3: or Garrett Crochet light in two years, and that is 473 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 3: why other teams want him. That is why the Twins 474 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 3: probably want him for Joe Ryan. Perhaps there's some limitations 475 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 3: on what Hope be able to do from like a 476 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 3: secondary standpoint, because his hand comes like really square to 477 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 3: the ball when he releases it, which is why he 478 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 3: has such a good fastball. So he's never gonna be 479 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 3: able to throw like Garrett Crochet style sweepers and cutters 480 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 3: at this crazy velo that have really nice arms glove 481 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 3: side bite and stuff. It's just the natural unraveling of 482 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 3: his arm and how he gets to his release point. 483 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 3: It's just he's a little bit of a limitation there. 484 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 3: So it's gonna be focusing on that kick change in 485 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:40,199 Speaker 3: the mix strategy of like sinker throw six pitches, just 486 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 3: mess up timing, et cetera. So I really like him, though, 487 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 3: I just think he has like the best way to 488 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 3: bet on a pitching prospect is just the id the 489 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 3: best fastball and put it in a good order where 490 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 3: they can figure out the rest of the mix and 491 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 3: you have that perfectly lined up with Totally to the 492 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 3: point where he is I think the best pitching prospect 493 00:21:58,600 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 3: in baseball. 494 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough because I really like it early. I mean, man, 495 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 2: he was crazy good like when he came up the 496 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 2: But with Totally though, and it's not even I hate 497 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 2: doing this because it sounds like I'm knocking its early 498 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 2: and it's not. But I agree. I think Totally has 499 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 2: more of that ceiling and he has I guess, I 500 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 2: don't even know what you would even say how call 501 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 2: this like the it factor a little bit. He's got 502 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 2: that big build where I could see that durability being 503 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 2: very good with him. He just has more of that, 504 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 2: just that linebacker kind of a frame. Is He's just different, 505 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 2: right And even though yes he did get hit around 506 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 2: a little bit once, the hitters, so okay, he doesn't 507 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 2: really have any any off speed breaking stuff to really 508 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 2: go off of, at least as of right now, so 509 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 2: they took advantage of that. But he has that canvas 510 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 2: already to get in the lab this offseason and just 511 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 2: kind of take off. But with Early, I could say, 512 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 2: right now, like you said, you know, he was really 513 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 2: you know, dotting the zone here. He has a good 514 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 2: floor in my opinion. So that's where I kind of 515 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 2: think back to the Crochet trade last offseason, where you 516 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 2: go back to the deadline where Crochet was still with 517 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 2: the White Sox. They were asking for guys like Roman 518 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 2: Anthony Marcella Meyer. So I wonder, let's say for Joe Ryan, 519 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 2: you know, let's just say that where you could have 520 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 2: a potential trade on the table. The Red Sox say, eh, 521 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 2: we're not giving up totally, but we can work a 522 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 2: package around early. We can maybe do Franklin, Arius Yostinson, 523 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 2: Garcia the password. You know, could you see a scenario 524 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 2: like that where the Red Sox just say, no, we're 525 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 2: not giving up totally, but we'll give you early. 526 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 4: Though. 527 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 3: I think that's exactly what is presently happening. Yeah, I 528 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 3: think that they're going to other teams and Alfred guys 529 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 3: that are not totally and that's why things haven't gotten done. 530 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 3: You know, like it's not gonna swing the trade early. 531 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 3: He's not the level that totally is. He's not evailed 532 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,199 Speaker 3: the same, his mix is ready pretty maxed out. His 533 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 3: command's good like I think he's some kind of major 534 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 3: league pitcher, but like the upside, there is not of totally, 535 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 3: which is why Yeah, I think I think you literally 536 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,479 Speaker 3: illustratedrobably what those conversations are like, Like you're you're literally 537 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 3: probably talking as if you're Bresila to the to the 538 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 3: Marlins or to the Twins or any of these other 539 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 3: teams for the control starting pitching Nationals for Gore. I'm 540 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 3: not entirely sure if that's a conversation they're having, but 541 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 3: I imagine it's one that would naturally come up if 542 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 3: you're looking for control starting pitching. And I think they're going, yeah, 543 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 3: we'll give you Arrius, and we'll give you the password, 544 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 3: and we'll give you Early. And they're the individuals now 545 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 3: to Bony from the Red Sox and Washington, if they 546 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,239 Speaker 3: resume those conversations whatever, like they're all those teams are 547 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 3: saying no, like this is this is exactly what I 548 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 3: was highlighting in terms of the gap in values, where 549 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 3: it just it doesn't make sense for the team to 550 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 3: give up these pieces if they're not getting one of 551 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,400 Speaker 3: those sure fire front line types. And we've saw some 552 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 3: peripheral rentals go for interesting pieces like Bieber getting traded 553 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 3: for Cal Steven, the Merrial Kelly trade, what the Dbacks 554 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 3: got back from the Rangers. Some of those trades I 555 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 3: thought were aggressive. Now it's going to work out for 556 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 3: the Blue Jays, whether they may win the World Series 557 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 3: or not. I think that you know, you would take 558 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 3: Bieber in the postseas. He's been like a pretty essential 559 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 3: part of that team. I would argue from how did 560 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 3: they get to the World Series standpoint, so like, yeah, 561 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 3: you're gonna give up a twenty twenty four. I think 562 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 3: kel Stephen was like a second rounder, but he projects 563 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 3: really strong. He's a major league pitcher of some kind. 564 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 3: And I think that, unfortunately, some of those trades maybe 565 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 3: hurt the case where if it's like, okay, a rental 566 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 3: Merrill Kelly got three arms that are all pretty decent 567 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 3: and probably some kind of major leaguers for the d 568 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 3: Backs and a couple months of off, TJ. Bieber got 569 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 3: top thirty twenty starting pitching prospect in baseball. So it's 570 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 3: like the three guys you're sending for a Ryan, A 571 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 3: Gore or a Cabrera or just not not meeting the 572 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 3: value of even what the market is said. Other controllable 573 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 3: starting pitchers are worth so yeah, I think you literally 574 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 3: just I think you literally spoke as if you were 575 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 3: quite resolute in that moment. 576 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 2: I'm trying my best. That's how I try to think. 577 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 2: I try to think it. Yeah, Yeah, I've gone away 578 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 2: from what I think so much. It's like, I think 579 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 2: the best way to do it is to try and 580 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,199 Speaker 2: think how they think. Right, I gotta ask you one 581 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 2: more question, because he did bring up his name a 582 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 2: couple of times Kyson Witherspoon online on a video I 583 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,439 Speaker 2: did not too long ago on prospects that could break 584 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 2: out in twenty twenty six, I went a little aggressive 585 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 2: with the Red Sox pick I actually went with Kayson Witherspoon, 586 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 2: and who knows if that's gonna happen. But I'm looking 587 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 2: at how the Red Sox have been, you know, pushing 588 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,439 Speaker 2: their college pictures here as of lay right, I mean, 589 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 2: you're seeing it across major league Baseball? Are you seeing 590 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 2: these guys get to the major league so much quicker 591 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 2: these days? But could you see someone like Kyson Witherspoon 592 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 2: getting to the major league level this coming year? 593 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 3: Excuse me? 594 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 2: Do you have the Red what do you think they 595 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 2: would hold off. 596 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 3: It's a good question. So I thought the Red Sox 597 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 3: draft was like kind of fascinating. I covered it from 598 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 3: WIBE Network, and excuse me, one of the main things 599 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 3: that jumped out was in talking to people in the industry. 600 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 3: I got pretty bad reports on Phillips, I got pretty 601 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,399 Speaker 3: bad reports on Einsen, and then Kyson Witherspoon was like 602 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 3: the first round arm and some people thought would bust, 603 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 3: and then the Red Sox took all three of them. 604 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,360 Speaker 2: I was like kind of laughing as. 605 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 3: They were taking the picks they were making because I 606 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 3: was like, man, I had, like, again my source, he 607 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 3: isn't everybody in baseball. It's probably like a smaller group 608 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 3: than I would like it to be, but it's growing, 609 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 3: you know. I just thought it was funny that I had, like, like, 610 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 3: Einstein's a guy who's fastball is just not gonna work 611 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 3: in Major League Baseball, which maybe lines up with the 612 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 3: Red Sox strategy. Maybe he's just gonna throw fifty five 613 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 3: percent slider and be like Matt Whistler two point zero. 614 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 3: I think what the Red Sox did was idd guys 615 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 3: who have good hand feel for spin at velocity, like 616 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 3: creating good slider ships, creating good breaking ball shapes and 617 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 3: didn't really care too much about the for scene to 618 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 3: the point where I think a lot of these guys 619 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,959 Speaker 3: can probably move really quick. They could probably develop them 620 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 3: a little bit. I don't think they're the best movers overall, 621 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 3: from like a biomechanic standpoint, like Witherspoon's a little undersized, 622 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:44,719 Speaker 3: his arms a little bit flat in terms of how 623 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 3: it comes out through his delivery and such such that 624 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 3: he's gonna be limited. And again in the like lateral 625 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 3: movement he could create on shapes. Yeah, delivery as well 626 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 3: makes it. Yeah, it's weird. It's weird delivery. But that 627 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 3: being said, if all three of those guys turn into 628 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 3: some kind of major league relievers, maybe perhaps leverage with 629 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 3: Phillips just throwing seventy percent of a really good slider 630 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 3: with like huge extension, weird look alrighty Like, maybe it 631 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 3: works out for them and the draft looks good. But 632 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 3: they went with a lot of pitching this draft, you know, 633 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 3: and it's a weird one where I got these bad reports, 634 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 3: but I trust their process from the minds they have 635 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 3: there that it was I was like spending time trying 636 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 3: to reconcile those two sides of like, Okay, if everyone 637 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 3: told me these guys weren't good and then the Red 638 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 3: Sox drafted them, what did the Red Sox see there 639 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 3: or what are the Red Sox value from a model 640 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 3: basis that made them confident these were the picks you know, 641 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 3: at the given spots. Perhaps it was literally just like 642 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 3: a price at spots standpoint or slot standpoint. Monetary side 643 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 3: in baseball with the draft is very different than like 644 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 3: the NBA just drafting the best dudes one through ten. 645 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 2: You know, everybody on Nessen, we do have to wrap 646 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 2: it up right there we are at a time. But 647 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 2: if you want to see the rest of the interview, 648 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 2: coming over to YouTube Monster Territory and see what else 649 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 2: we gotta say. But we'll talk to you next time. 650 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 3: It's very different in baseball. So so yeah, I would 651 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 3: say Weatherspoon wouldn't really be my pick to break out. 652 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 3: I think a guy like Brandon Ark is kind of 653 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 3: interesting in the systems. Yeah, exactly, And again, that's a 654 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 3: pretty finicky thing to fix in one year. A lot 655 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 3: of the times the guys just don't fix it, and 656 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 3: that's why they end up his relievers. But Clark's stuff's 657 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 3: really good. It's a really fun sinker. He's got a 658 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 3: nasty sweeper, just a little raw. So that is the 659 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 3: hope there in terms of like, oh, he's in zone more. 660 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 3: Perhaps it's a different shafe, he's throwing more or whatever. 661 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 3: But if they could corral him in zone, I have 662 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 3: a little more confidence in him being like the guy 663 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 3: that pops then say a Kyson Witherspoon. But I admit 664 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 3: I am fascinating to see how all three of these 665 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 3: guys look to retrospectively figure out whether a lot of 666 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 3: the sourcing I got on all three of them being 667 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 3: not great picks, was correct, or if it was incorrect 668 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 3: and the Red Sox were correct. 669 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 2: You know, a part of me actually wonders this, and 670 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 2: maybe this is a bit of a hot take, but 671 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 2: I wonder, and I'll ask I'll ask you this too, 672 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 2: since you were so involved with the draft. I think 673 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 2: back to the trade that the Red Sox made last 674 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 2: offseason for Crochet. They had just drafted Braidon Montgomery and 675 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 2: then they included him in the deal. Could you maybe 676 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 2: see a scenario where they do the same thing with Witherspoon. 677 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 3: I could I think we saw it was interesting that 678 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 3: we saw in each of the last two off seasons. 679 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 3: Am I correct a first round top like fifteen pick? Well, yeah, 680 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 3: you guys are exactly That's what I'm thinking of, trying 681 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 3: to reconcile this dates of my brain there. But I 682 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 3: do think that is like a growing thing, partially because 683 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 3: I think a lot of teams are starting to converge 684 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 3: in terms of the numbers they have where the interesting 685 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 3: thing happens when out of draft if that guy doesn't 686 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 3: have a large sample in minor league ball, you know, 687 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 3: like Cam Smith crushed in a ball, but like this 688 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 3: a ball pitching was worse than what he was seeing 689 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,239 Speaker 3: and the acc and stuff and probably saying my brain, 690 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 3: Montgomery was coming off injury, you know. So I wonder 691 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 3: whether those draft guys are appealing because to get a 692 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 3: trade done, you need to have a differential value, like 693 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 3: a team needs to go we like this guy more 694 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 3: than you are valuing him internally such that we will 695 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 3: take him, and we think we got a good deal. 696 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 3: Both sides think they got a good deal. That's happened, 697 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 3: you know, there has to be a differential. Those differentials 698 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 3: and more common I think in the smaller windows of 699 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 3: data you have. So if a team loved Kyson Witherspoon 700 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 3: and thought they were going to get him at twenty 701 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 3: four overall, or let's say the Twins, Like let's use 702 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 3: the example of the Twins. Maybe the Twins loved him. 703 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 3: They ended up taking Riley Quick. I think it was 704 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 3: in the competitive bounce round. I don't remember if they 705 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 3: had a first round pick. I think they might have. 706 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 3: But like, let's say Marrak Custon, Yeah, maryk Houston, there 707 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 3: we go. Let's say they thought Kyson was an option 708 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 3: over Marrak Houston where they took Merk Houston. You know, 709 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 3: maybe then you could go to them and be like, hey, 710 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 3: would you take Kyson instead of totally we think Kyson, 711 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 3: you know, the Twins would think Kyson's better than Connerley early, 712 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 3: and then that could work. So I think that's why 713 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,479 Speaker 3: perhaps we've seen in each of the last two off 714 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 3: seasons a college guy, you know, barely in the new 715 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 3: organization that he's in, get shipped. It's just a matter 716 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 3: of like the differential and value we haven't seen a 717 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 3: lot of we haven't gotten a lot of data to 718 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 3: the point where we can change our evaluation on this guy. 719 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 3: So we're going off what we thought in the draft, 720 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 3: maybe some of the tidbits we've seen post draft, But yeah, 721 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 3: I wouldn't be stunned if there is another large trade 722 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 3: centralized around one of these guys that a team drafted 723 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 3: that maybe another org thinks it's really good and perhaps 724 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 3: that's in another direction. Maybe it's like with the Marlins, 725 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 3: or I don't know, just someone loved this Ethan Conrad 726 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 3: kick kid that the Cubs took from Wake Forest that 727 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 3: was injured. You know, like there's a lot of situations 728 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 3: I think where this stuff could work out, partially because 729 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 3: of what I'm saying, just have differences in value, the 730 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 3: smaller the sample gaps. 731 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 2: I mean, we'll see what happens. But I will say this, 732 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 2: it's been quite enjoyable to talk about all these arms 733 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 2: because it's been a long time since the Red Sox 734 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 2: have had all these cashures, right, I mean, let's go 735 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 2: back a few years twenty twenty one. I don't know 736 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 2: if you remember these names, Garrett Richards, Martin Perez. They 737 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 2: were carrying the Red Sox rotation in the first half, 738 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 2: so that just Garrett. 739 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 3: Spin king Man, it's crazy get breaking balls that doesn't 740 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:51,719 Speaker 3: never get to figure it out. 741 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,959 Speaker 2: But he was crazy. But now you know, it's been 742 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 2: a long time since the Red Sox have had this 743 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 2: much depth within the organization. It's gonna be a fun offseason. 744 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 2: But my friend, I want to thank you for joining 745 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 2: me here today. It was absolute pleasure to talk some 746 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 2: pitching again. Let everyone know at home where they can 747 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 2: find you. 748 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for having me, Robbi. Always find a chat, YouTube, substack, 749 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 3: and I'm on regionally here in Chicago. If you happen 750 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 3: to be in Chicago listening to Red Sock podcasts, you 751 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 3: never know there might be people out there like that. 752 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 3: So I do a lot of work for the Cubs. 753 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 3: But yeah, follow me on socials, always doing good stuff 754 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 3: in season. 755 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 2: Do the Red Sox of the Cubs play this year, 756 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 2: I'm going I'm going blank. 757 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 3: Did they play this year? They did play? 758 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 2: Play this upcoming year? I'm going blank. 759 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 3: I would assume that we go to you guys, right, 760 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 3: doesn't it happen where it's now like every team plays 761 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 3: each other, but it's it's alternating. 762 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 2: I can't remember. I got a look at the schedule, 763 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 2: But if they do, we go to you guys. 764 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 3: I think you guys came here this most recent year. 765 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, well I can't be wrong. Maybe my twenty four 766 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 2: and twenty five's have blurred together, but yeah, my brain 767 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 2: is a potato. So but if they do play, I 768 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 2: think I think they do, now that I'm thinking about it, 769 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 2: we'll have to, you know, link up. Have you come 770 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 2: on the show your thoughts about the cussuer? But already, everyone, 771 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,719 Speaker 2: if you count of the way out, everybody, hit the 772 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 2: like button for me. Subscribe for New with You with 773 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 2: Us via podcast format. Give us a five star review. 774 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 2: But everyone, we'll talk to you next time.