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Speaker 1: Welcome to what I'm calling the branching out episode of

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Speaker 1: the Dave Pash Podcast. I'm your host, Dave Pash, longtime

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Speaker 1: ESPN play by play announcer and voice of the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: You can also follow us on Twitter at pash pot.

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Speaker 1: You know, one of the things we wanted to accomplish

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Speaker 1: with this podcast was to make it unique by having

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Speaker 1: on guests from the world of sports and entertainment to

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Speaker 1: talk more than just the Arizona Cardinals and the NFL,

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Speaker 1: but of course making that part of a conversation. So

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Speaker 1: when the NFL schedule was released and the podcast was

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Speaker 1: in the works, there was a particular guest that I

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Speaker 1: wanted to get on to talk about the cardinals Week

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Speaker 1: one opponent, the Tennessee Titans. Actor James Rode now known

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Speaker 1: as James Rode Rodriguez. He stars in the ABC drama

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Speaker 1: A Million Little Things, which debuted in two eighteen and

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Speaker 1: is entering year four in prime time. But Rodda is

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Speaker 1: best known for playing fake psychic Sean Spencer in the

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Speaker 1: TV show Psych, which ran for eight seasons from two

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Speaker 1: thousand and six to two fourteen and still lives on

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Speaker 1: in movie form Psych three This Is Gus is due

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Speaker 1: out this winner. Rode is one of the nation's biggest

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Speaker 1: Tennessee Titan fans. In fact, if you follow him on

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Speaker 1: Twitter or the Titans for that matter, you will see

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Speaker 1: them retweeting each other constantly. Rode talks about how he

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Speaker 1: became a Titans fan, his thoughts on how far this

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Speaker 1: team can go this season, and where he was during

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Speaker 1: the Music City Miracle January eight, two thousand. Rode also

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Speaker 1: talks about his hit show Psych, his favorite episode, his

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Speaker 1: love for Val Kilmer, and wrestler slash actor John Cena.

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Speaker 1: Sports as a way of bringing people together, especially in

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Speaker 1: a family. If the game's on, it's a great reason

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Speaker 1: to gather together as a family and root for your

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Speaker 1: favorite team. A good TV show has the same effect.

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Speaker 1: It certainly did for my family. No matter how busy

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Speaker 1: I was my wife three kids were from two thousand

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Speaker 1: and six to twenty fourteen, we always found a way

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Speaker 1: to watch the TV show Psych together and then watch

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Speaker 1: the reruns over and over again. So if you're looking

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Speaker 1: for a good laugh with obscure references to nineteen eighties

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Speaker 1: music and movies, some cool mysteries, some semi spooks on

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Speaker 1: everything from the Exorcist to werewolves, vampires, and even one

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Speaker 1: flow of The Cuckoo's Nest and The Bachelorette. Do yourself

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Speaker 1: a favor and check out Psych. Now. Here's James Rode

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Speaker 1: Rodriguez on the Dave Pash Podcast. James, before we started

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Speaker 1: the interview, I talked about a million little things PSYCH

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Speaker 1: and I definitely want to go back and touch on

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Speaker 1: those things. But when I saw the schedule and that

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals were playing the Titans Week one, I knew

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Speaker 1: ILL wanted to have you on because you're such a

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Speaker 1: huge Titans fan. I always see you tweeting about the

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Speaker 1: Titans during the season. I always see the Titans retweeting you.

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Speaker 1: I know you're from San Antonio, so I'm guessing you

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Speaker 1: were an Oilers fan at some point. Tell me how

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Speaker 1: your fascination with the Titans started. Yeah, man, you're pretty

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Speaker 1: intuitive there. Yeah. I grew up in San Antone. You

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Speaker 1: get to choose between the Cowboys and the Oilers. My

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Speaker 1: entire family were diehard, like obnoxiously die hard. Cowboys fans,

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Speaker 1: so I thought it as an opportunity to piss everybody

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Speaker 1: those early years because the Oilers were horrible and the

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Speaker 1: balanced out as I got into my twenties and and

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Speaker 1: it was really fun to watch the Cowboys suck for

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Speaker 1: But then, you know, amidst all of that, I really

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Speaker 1: the Steve McNair and Eddie George oilers, which which are

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Speaker 1: the Eddie and Steve teams that I think define the

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Speaker 1: all these years later have to bleed blue and tighten

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Speaker 1: up every year. Well, they're obviously one of the best

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Speaker 1: Cleveland's going to be much better. But there are people

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Speaker 1: I'm cautiously optimistic. I don't think for a playoff team,

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Speaker 1: I don't think our defense could have been much for

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Speaker 1: little more pressure on the quarterback excites me. We got

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Speaker 1: added Julio. Now I think everybody should probably keep their

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Speaker 1: But the good news is he's not having to come

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Speaker 1: long way of saying, yes, the team looks pretty good

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Speaker 1: on paper. Cannon Hill continues to sort of defy expectations

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Speaker 1: like a Homer, we can play with anybody in the FC,

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Speaker 1: no question. Any given Sunday, I'd like us to be

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Speaker 1: the end. At the end of the day, your description

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Speaker 1: about AJ Green, who's now with the Cardinals after all

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Speaker 1: and what you're working on. Definitely had a nice streak

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Speaker 1: does make it tricky. Although this year I have a

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Speaker 1: So you're a couple of years older than Cliff Kingsbury,

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Speaker 1: His name was Gerard Douglas and we were all just like, yeah, dude,

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Speaker 1: because Cliff was on this podcast and I asked him

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Speaker 1: that's not because of the air Raid. But now you're

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Speaker 1: I asked him, hey, if you were playing today, you know,

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Speaker 1: he was at Texas Tech. Yeah, and he was a leader,

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Speaker 1: and you know, he had intangibles, which is obviously a

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Speaker 1: look at the ones that actually stay, have staying power

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Speaker 1: love with the life. What's Corbin Like, I assume you

429
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Speaker 1: had seen Major League prior to working with him. What

430
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Speaker 1: was it like to work with him on psych I'd

431
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: only seen Major League about four hundred times. Welcome to

432
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Speaker 1: the club man, Yeah, so I was. I was quoting

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Speaker 1: it left and right, and you realize he probably gets

434
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Speaker 1: that a lot too, but it was still it was

435
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 1: a great ice breaking kind of point for us. And

436
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: we could bond over to immediately because you know, he's

437
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 1: he thinks very fondly of Major League as well. He

438
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 1: had a good experience. He and Barringer were really good

439
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 1: buddies back then, and so, uh, you know Corbett is

440
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 1: he's a really interesting cat man. Like, yeah, I remember

441
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: like he was sort of like at the top of

442
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Speaker 1: the mountain in the eighties, Like he was people's sexiest

443
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 1: man alive at one point, um when he was on

444
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Speaker 1: La Law. And you know, like I said, it's a

445
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: really fickle industry. Success can be really fleeting here today,

446
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 1: gone tomorrow. But what you have in Corvin Burnson is

447
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 1: a guy who just stuck with it man, Like you know,

448
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: he's the Donnis Haslem of Hollywood, right he just he

449
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 1: kept his he kept his nose down, and he just

450
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: keeps working and working and working. And sometimes it's good stuff.

451
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's just work. But he always knew that work

452
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 1: but gets work, and that's that's how you stay in

453
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Speaker 1: the game. So he's a great presence to have on

454
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Speaker 1: any film set because of the perspective he can provide

455
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: and the reminder that, hey, like all of this could

456
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Speaker 1: be gone in a in a flash, so a make

457
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Speaker 1: sure you appreciate it. But also, you know, don't be

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Speaker 1: an asshole. And he's also you know, he's kind of

459
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Speaker 1: a it's kind of a hippie and and it's a

460
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Speaker 1: really spiritual dude. He's a really interesting guy to sit

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Speaker 1: down and have dinner with because he can go all

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Speaker 1: sorts of places and talk about all kinds of stuff.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, man, he was a good TV dad for sure. Yeah. Well,

464
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Speaker 1: you guys had still have great chemistry in the movies,

465
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,719
Speaker 1: but on the show, just awesome chemistry. You mentioned earlier

466
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Speaker 1: Val Kilmer, your love for Val Kilmer. I just watched

467
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Speaker 1: the other night, uh, the documentary Vale, which is really good.

468
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 1: You talk about how things can change in a heartbeat,

469
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Speaker 1: not just for VAL's career, but for his life and

470
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 1: what he's dealing with now, basically having to speak after

471
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Speaker 1: a tracheotomy, you can't really understand him. And I assume

472
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: you've already seen the documentary of All the eighty because

473
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Speaker 1: you had Val kilmeron I mean, jud John Cen is

474
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: not an eighties guy, but you, Judd Nelson, You have

475
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: all these eighties movie stars on Psych as special guest.

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Speaker 1: Who is the coolest? And then tell me, if if

477
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Speaker 1: it wasn't Val, what was it like meeting Val Kilmer

478
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 1: when he was on Psych? Well start with Val, because yes,

479
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: the documentary I would I would recommend it to anybody,

480
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: whether you're a Val Kilmer fan or not, just because

481
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: just the sheer volume of archival footage that he managed

482
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: to hold onto over the last thirty some odd years

483
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: is so fascinating because you realize, like there are no

484
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: iPhones back then, like this young handsome dude was walking

485
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: around with like an old school of VHS camcorder, like

486
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: getting like with tapes, like getting all this incredible stuff

487
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: and then holding onto it for all these years. So

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00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: it's a real treat. For that reason alone, it is heartbreaking,

489
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Speaker 1: But I do think it's it's sort of shed some

490
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Speaker 1: light on a very complicated artist that we've heard a

491
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: whole lot of stuff about, some good, some bad, and

492
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: you just sort of see a portrait of an artist

493
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Speaker 1: who's never quite been at peace. And I thought it

494
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: was really well done. And I was really happy to

495
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 1: see the love and reverence that his children have for him,

496
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,959
Speaker 1: because it's like, no matter what or if he can

497
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: ever sort of be at peace with his career or

498
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: what happened to his brother, it's like he's got he's

499
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: got those two children that he is his whole world,

500
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: and it was really nice to see them love him

501
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: back so hard. So that was sort of the aspirational

502
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: element of it. Meeting Valve was a dream come true.

503
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: You know they say never meets your heroes. I'd heard

504
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: all the stories. It was the We shot two things

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Speaker 1: in the entire run of Psych in Los Angeles. Every

506
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: thing else we shot was in Vancouver, but twice we

507
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: shot in LA. The first time was a little piece

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Speaker 1: with one of my best friends, Jimmy Simpson, who played

509
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Speaker 1: Mary lightly on a video that he had left for

510
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: us in the third Yang episode. We shot that in

511
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Speaker 1: LA and then val was the last thing we shot

512
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: after this series was wrapped, his little piece we did

513
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, and he could not have been more

514
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: of a prince like, Yes, he was aware that we

515
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: adored him. Yes, he was aware that we referenced him

516
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: more than any other human being over the run of Psych.

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Speaker 1: But I doubt he had ever seen an episode and

518
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: he did not have to come and do that, but

519
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: he did, and he was a sweetheart, and he made

520
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: himself available and we all just kind of talked and

521
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: hung out with him for you know, half a day.

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00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: I have nothing but positive things to say about Val.

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Speaker 1: It was a wonderful experience. And as far as all

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Speaker 1: of the the eighties callbacks that we did, which at

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00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: one point kind of became, you know, the crutch of

526
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: the show, like who can we get on next, I

527
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Speaker 1: would say, you know, my favorite, it's probably Alice Sheet

528
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Speaker 1: because we've become very good friends and she's a kook

529
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Speaker 1: and she's awesome, and that character, you know, became sort

530
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: of seminal for our show. But Rob Macchio is also

531
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: a hell of a guy and a lot of fun

532
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: to hang out with. And Billy Zavka, to keep it

533
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: on topic, is also a hell of a guy and

534
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: a lot of fun to hang out with the two

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Speaker 1: guys from Karate Kid and now Yeah Kaikobra Kai John

536
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Speaker 1: Cena I mentioned earlier that he was on one of

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Speaker 1: the shows, and before we get you out of here,

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Speaker 1: I just want to ask you, in your connection to wrestling,

539
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Speaker 1: how big of a wrestling fan you are. Should we

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00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: be giving wrestling more love as a sport or does

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Speaker 1: it have its own category? In James Rode Rodriguez's opinion,

542
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: you know, I was a wrestling nut as a kid,

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00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: and then it kind of was like not as cool

544
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: as beer wrestling fan um, you know, when I hit

545
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: high school, so I kind of kind of drifted away

546
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: from it, but then found it again on psych because

547
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: we shared a network with Raw and SmackDown back then

548
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: on USA, so we would do these cross promotional bits

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00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: and promos with some of the talent. And I started

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00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: watching it again as like a thirty year old man

551
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: and remembering why I used to dig it so much,

552
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: and I sort of slowly came back out of the

553
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: closet and then just sort of said, screw it, I'll

554
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: be an adult who can get down with some wwe

555
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: I don't know that they themselves would necessarily call it

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00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: a sport like it sports entertainment is the is the

557
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Speaker 1: term they came up with. But for me, it's always

558
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: been theater. It's just been it's so theatrical, it's you know,

559
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: it's scripted. You have good versus evil and everything in between. Um,

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00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: you know, for for the swath of Americans who who

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00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: don't think they would like going into a dark theater

562
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: and watching something like Hamilton, like I Got News, you're

563
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: watching it every Monday and every Friday on Raw and

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00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: SmackDown like you're a theater fan. You just don't realize

565
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: because that's what wrestling is and that's what that's what

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00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: it drops into our homes every week and on their

567
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Speaker 1: pay per views. James, it has been great man. Thanks

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00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: so much for your time. Appreciate you taking us back

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Speaker 1: talking about psych talking about a million little things, and

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00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: then of course talking NFL football, your love for the

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Speaker 1: Titans and hopefully Titans and Cardinals. Maybe they'll play Week

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00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: one and they'll play in the final game of the season.

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00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: It would be it would be incredible. I would take

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Speaker 1: that bet in a heartbeat. Let's go Tighten Up, also

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Speaker 1: seen as My Boy Go see all of his twenty

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00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: nine Movies. Another really good guy. Thanks for the time,

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00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: thanks for the interest, and let's just hope everybody stays healthy. James,

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00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: thanks again, man I did man Rode knows his stuff.

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00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: He is dialed in on the Titans and the NFL.

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00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: Interesting too that when he was pressed to name his

581
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: favorite San Antonio spur that he picked Manu Genobli. If

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00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: you're a Sons fan listening to this right now, I

583
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: know it probably makes your skin crawl. But Genoble was

584
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: a great, great player. And hearing Rode's story about sitting

585
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: in an apartment in Los Angeles with no furniture and

586
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: running around going crazy celebrating the Music City miracle not

587
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: surprising that somebody that's that passionate about his team, the

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00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans, would remember exactly where he was when that

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00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: iconic moment went down. It was great here Rode talk

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Speaker 1: about Psych and how he embraces that everybody thinks he's

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00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: Sean Spencer, and also how similar they are. Psych being

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite TV shows of all time. Is

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Speaker 1: cool to hear about his favorite episode and what it

594
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: was like to have Corbyn Burnson, of course, was Roger

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00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: Dorn in major League as his TV dad. Also his

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Speaker 1: love for Val Kilmer and how he got to finally

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Speaker 1: meet his childhood hero on the set of Psych. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for listening to this edition of the Dave Pash Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Don't Forget the Cardinals and Titans. On Sunday, We'll have

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