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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.

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Speaker 2: The trial judge is putting Brian Coburger's feet to the fire, saying,

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Speaker 2: so what is your alibi? What is your fake alibi?

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Speaker 2: Who said that?

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Speaker 3: What is your alibi? Now? Notes of alibi is due.

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Speaker 2: The state is asking could you be a little more

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Speaker 2: specific than he's just wandering around town?

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Speaker 3: And the defense is now alluding.

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Speaker 2: To the fact they have witnesses that place Brian Coburger

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Speaker 2: somewhere completely different than the crime scene on King Road

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Speaker 2: where four beautiful young University Idaho students are slaughtered in

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Speaker 2: their own beds. Where where is he at three am?

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to hear this witnesses? What witnesses? As

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Speaker 2: I've told Minia Juri, nothing good happens after midnight. So

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Speaker 2: where is Coburger going to tell us he was at

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Speaker 2: three am at the time of the murders? And what

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Speaker 2: witnesses are going to bail him out a four murder

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Speaker 2: one charges? So you want to tell me that's not

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Speaker 2: where he was at three am waiting to make his

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Speaker 2: interest into this home under the cloak of darkness, Because.

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Speaker 3: I say that's exactly where he was.

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Speaker 2: I mean, see Grace, this is crime Stories thank you

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Speaker 2: for being with us here at Crime Stories and on

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Speaker 2: series XM one eleven. First of all, what is a

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Speaker 2: judge looking for? Will they even respond? Or will somehow

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Speaker 2: Coburger's defense team wiggle out of yet another other judicial command?

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Speaker 3: Listen to Nicole parton Crime Online.

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Speaker 4: Judge John Judge set in April seventeenth deadline for Colberger's

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Speaker 4: legal team to provide documents related to an alibi. Last year,

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Speaker 4: at least two possible alibis were set out by Colberger's attorney,

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Speaker 4: the first saying it was Colberger's habit to go for

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Speaker 4: long drives alone late at night. Defense attorney and Taylor

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Speaker 4: later gave the court brief information saying, quote, evidence cooperating

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Speaker 4: mister Colberger being at a location other than the King

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Speaker 4: Road address will be disclosed pursuant to discovery and evidentiary

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Speaker 4: rules as well as statutory requirements unquote, the location has

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Speaker 4: not been revealed.

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Speaker 2: Joining me now an all star panel makes sense of

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Speaker 2: what we know right now?

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Speaker 3: First to Marine.

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Speaker 2: Callahan with dailymail dot Com, an author of Ask Not

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Speaker 2: the Kennedys and the Women They Destroyed? Oh you're going

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Speaker 2: to need a volume two for that, Marine Callahan. But

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Speaker 2: that said, back to Coburger, what alibi?

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Speaker 3: Alibi?

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Speaker 2: My rear and I can't wait to hear this, okay,

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Speaker 2: And the judge is basically ordering them because under the law,

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Speaker 2: and I'm gonna get with Tara Malik about that high

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Speaker 2: profile lawyer in that jurisdiction about you can't the defense

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Speaker 2: can't say, oh yeah, I've got an alibi. No, no, no,

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Speaker 2: notice of alibi has to be more specific so the

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Speaker 2: state will be prepared to respond.

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Speaker 3: And I mean, and of course I'm going to go

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Speaker 3: to delatory in a moment.

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Speaker 2: What kind of alibi is that creepyda driving around and

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Speaker 2: round and round in circles at three am. They got

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Speaker 2: to come up with something better than that. But to you,

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Speaker 2: Maureen Callahan, tell me what's happening. Coburger is now being

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Speaker 2: forced to hand over fork over and alibi.

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Speaker 3: That's got to hurt.

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Speaker 5: Go ahead, yeah, I mean, it's streams credulity that this guy,

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Speaker 5: who is on trial for one of the most savage

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Speaker 5: murders of this young century seemingly so random so brutal,

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Speaker 5: is taking about two years to come up with an

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Speaker 5: alibi witness in what is you know, the trial of

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Speaker 5: his life.

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Speaker 3: It also strains credulity.

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Speaker 5: You know, in a post nine to eleven world, we

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Speaker 5: live in a twenty four to seven surveillance state. Whether

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Speaker 5: it off his car was spotted on surveillance cams. Blood

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Speaker 5: with a ninety nine point nine nine nine eight percent

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Speaker 5: chance of belonging to a biological male not in his

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Speaker 5: bloodline was found at the crime scene. He was stalking

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Speaker 5: at least one of these victims on Instagram well before

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Speaker 5: the murders.

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Speaker 3: He was spotted driving around the house well.

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Speaker 5: Before the murders. He had broken into a female friend's

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Speaker 5: house before the murders as a pretext to install digital

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Speaker 5: the murders. Around the holidays, even his own family, including

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Speaker 5: notably his sister, began to suspect that he had done

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Speaker 5: it and went and searched his car, which they were

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Speaker 5: surprised a little to find had been thoroughly scrubbed with bleach.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know, the mountain of evidence is substantial.

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Speaker 3: So it's an insult to a.

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Speaker 5: Jury that will hear this case to say it has

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Speaker 5: taken so very long to unearth this most crucial witness.

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Speaker 2: You know what, I'm stealing everything you just said, all

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Speaker 2: of it, because it's all right, and especially like the

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Speaker 2: turn of phrase you used is strains credibility. B s.

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Speaker 2: Let's break it down. They're lying, that's what it is,

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Speaker 2: an outright line. But I like the way that you

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Speaker 2: said that it strains credibility.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about everything she just said because

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Speaker 2: right now the judge and the Brian Coberger murder trials

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Speaker 2: has demanded that the defense hand over their alibi.

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Speaker 3: Now to you.

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Speaker 2: Tara Malik, high profile lawyer joining us out of that jurisdiction.

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Speaker 2: You can find her at Smith Malik dot com. I

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Speaker 2: still think your name should be first. But that said

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Speaker 2: Tara Malik, as we all know, under the Constitution, the

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Speaker 2: Fifth Amendment gives you the right to remain silent. You

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Speaker 2: don't have to give an alibi, you don't have to

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Speaker 2: you don't have to speak, you don't have to do

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Speaker 2: any of that. And the jury will be instructed that

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Speaker 2: they cannot hold any of that, particularly the defendant's right

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Speaker 3: They have to agree to that.

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Speaker 2: Typically they do derry Wood, Dyer or jury selection, which

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Speaker 2: coincidently means to speak the truth. So, Tara Mallick, since

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Speaker 2: the defense does not have to say anything than how

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Speaker 2: is it? And put it in that shell, how is it?

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Speaker 2: The judge can say, hand over your alibi? Now, how

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Speaker 2: does that happen? They seem to be in direct contradiction.

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Speaker 6: Well, Coberger, you're exactly right. Did not have to say anything,

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Speaker 6: and he certainly didn't have to present an alibi. He

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Speaker 7: And what is just incredible in this situation is that

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Speaker 7: it's not a typical alibi where you would say something

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Speaker 6: What they said instead was I'd like to take drives

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Speaker 6: at night where you know, what does that do? What

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Speaker 6: it does is corroborate part of the state's case here,

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Speaker 6: an unknown location. So now instead of having to prove

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Speaker 6: that Goberger was not in fact home, all they have

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Speaker 6: to prove is, well, he's already admitted folks that he

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Speaker 2: Okay, so let me understand this, Chris mcdona, Chris mcdona.

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Speaker 2: I found Chris mcdona on the interview room on YouTube.

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Speaker 2: He's got his own channel. And I can't remember what

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Speaker 2: It was like one o'clock in the morning. I'm still

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Speaker 2: awake researching coburger. I hadn't been to the crime scene yet.

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Speaker 2: Just before I had gone and I found McDonough and

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Speaker 2: I think with Honey, his wife, but he was in

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Speaker 2: a car driving about literally two miles an hour, and

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Speaker 2: it was perfect because they were pointing out here is just,

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Speaker 2: for instance, the Exxon station. Here's that, and if you

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Speaker 2: and it was if I was driving through the neighborhood myself.

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Speaker 3: And as a.

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Speaker 2: Matter of fact, that quick Check or whatever that gas

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Speaker 2: doubt that Chris mcdonna knew it at the time. That

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Speaker 2: and I think it was a female clerk took.

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Speaker 3: It upon herself voluntarily.

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Speaker 2: To go through days and days painstakingly a video surveillance

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Speaker 2: and catches a white Elantra speeding by that little gas

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Speaker 3: Bam. That was a huge piece of evidence.

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Speaker 2: And I had actually seen it on a drive along

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Speaker 2: a virtual drive along with Chris mcdonna, and the moment

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Speaker 2: I got out there, I couldn't wait to meet up

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Speaker 2: with Chris to find out everything he knew. Now I

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Speaker 2: want to ask you, Chris mcdona, you go on a

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Speaker 2: drive about which means you had nowhere else to be

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Speaker 3: In the morning. That was some drive, wasn't it?

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Speaker 2: From his place that coincidentally led him to the crime

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Speaker 2: that's quite the bad luck for him, right, the coincidence.

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Speaker 2: And then we were hearing Marine Callahan with deallymail dot

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Speaker 2: as I'm sure you've done. Took me over an hour

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Speaker 3: In school getting his PhD.

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Speaker 2: An hour, but if he I'd taken the normal route,

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Speaker 2: that he happens to place himself with his own alibi.

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Speaker 3: Much like Scott Peterson.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was at the marina where her body washed up,

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Speaker 2: that I was there the day she went missing. He's

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Speaker 3: Chris mcdonne. Does anybody get that?

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Speaker 8: I mean you're one thousand percent right again, Nancy, I mean,

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Speaker 8: think about it, right. You know, some other dude did

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Speaker 8: the crime, but I happened to be in the neighborhood.

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Speaker 8: I had my phone turned off the whole time. But

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Speaker 8: wait to hear And you, more than anybody have been

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Speaker 8: in that courtroom, you know, a hundred times with these

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Speaker 8: we're going to have at that moment. And it's interesting

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Speaker 8: that you just said, you know, he's going to, you know,

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Speaker 8: start producing all of these witnesses that are going to

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Speaker 8: buy this alibi out there, you know, some other dude.

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Speaker 8: So I when you drive up that road, your whole

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Speaker 8: sense of oh my gosh, this guy knows this neighborhood.

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Speaker 8: It just comes so clear to anybody that that took

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Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 3: Let's refresh your recollection of this.

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Speaker 2: Marine Callahan joining us dalemail dot com and author of

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Speaker 2: Ask Not the Kid and the Women They Destroyed Again.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna need a volume two.

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Speaker 2: But that said, Mariine Callahan didn't payings and other information

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Speaker 2: place him Brian Coberger in close proximity to the murder,

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Speaker 2: saying about eleven times before the night the co Eds

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Speaker 3: And were murdered.

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Speaker 5: Shows he turned the cell phone off at twelve forty

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Speaker 3: This is insane.

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Speaker 2: since the incident. Back to I'm gonna address delay, delay, delay, delay,

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Speaker 3: Everything changes. The house has already been torn down.

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Speaker 2: Now, there's no way to take the jury over there,

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Speaker 2: cases require more time to prepare. That's enough time. That's

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Speaker 3: He's in his car. Wow, I think I'll save my battery.

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Speaker 2: He cuts the phone off like this ac aightal compulsive.

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Speaker 2: No way three twenty nine, three twenty nine a m.

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Speaker 2: After he cuts his phone off, we're talking about about

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Speaker 2: you got you on surveillance video. You're not getting out

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Speaker 3: And let me tell you something.

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Speaker 2: I got in the car and I drove that route

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Speaker 3: There are not street lights.

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Speaker 2: When a big rig would come toward me, I practically

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Speaker 3: It's a two lane.

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Speaker 2: And that's the route he chose to take at four

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Speaker 3: Let that sink into.

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Speaker 2: The jury that this guy's out driving around alone at

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Speaker 2: four Beautiful University Idaho students are murdered.

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Speaker 3: Okay, he's in.

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Speaker 2: His car driving around. Who is going to be his

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Speaker 9: The prosecutors in Coburger's defense have not been able to

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Speaker 9: reach an agreement on a trial start date. Light Accounting

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Speaker 9: prosecutor Bill Thompson requested the trial begin on March third,

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Speaker 9: The judge will decide the exact date, but with it

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Speaker 9: streamed by the court. Whether Brian Coberger's murder trial begins

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Speaker 9: in March or June. And Taylor has mentioned the defense

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Speaker 9: expects to have four hundred witnesses, as well as a

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Speaker 2: Witnesses witnesses, aren't they alibi witnesses.

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Speaker 3: Let's just pass through this to you, Chris mcdonaugh.

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Speaker 2: You have driven the route, Dislike me, who along that

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Speaker 8: Who That's a great question. I mean, it's it just

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Speaker 8: one alibi witness?

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Speaker 3: Well, let's get this straight.

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Speaker 2: I'm asking the questions, you're giving the answers Q and A.

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Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no no, not a gas station?

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Speaker 2: Who could have Who could be the alibi witness they're

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Speaker 8: Remember, you get those kind of witnesses, and witness testimonies

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Speaker 8: so many factors that change instantaneously. I suspect they're going

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Speaker 8: this guy's sitting in jailing, he's getting love letters. Those

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I sta'll see how they're going to have an

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Speaker 2: Tara mount Mallet, you're the high profile lawyer in the

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Speaker 2: We know that they made a door dashed delivery. They

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Speaker 3: So go with me, Tara.

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Speaker 2: If there is no witness, no alibi witness, then the

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Speaker 3: To stay to take the stand.

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Speaker 2: He Brian Coberger would have to take the stand to

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, he absolutely will be torn apart. I mean that

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Speaker 6: How is he going to explain the ninth sheef in

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Speaker 6: is a just heinous crime. And if he wasn't around,

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Speaker 6: why is it that we are just hearing about these witnesses.

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Speaker 6: If it were anybody else who'd been charged with four

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Speaker 3: As suspect Tara Allik, you are exactly correct. Why not

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Speaker 2: At so and so, I was sleeping over at my

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Speaker 2: So's house till four that morning. I was drinking at

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Speaker 3: Why not?

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Speaker 2: You're right it has taken since the time of the

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Speaker 2: as you don't say anything, that means you have the ability.

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Speaker 3: To say any thing at trial.

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Speaker 2: But once you commit to an alibi, as they had

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Speaker 2: he likes to take long drives at night. Okay, you're

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Speaker 6: That, absolutely, you are, you're absolutely. He didn't have to

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Speaker 7: He absolutely, He did not have to indicate that he

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Speaker 6: He could have just put the state to its burden

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Speaker 6: and say, you know, prove it beyond a reasonable doubt

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Speaker 6: and gone from there. But instead they took this affirmative

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Speaker 6: which is not an alibi to begin with, Let's just

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Speaker 6: be clear on that point. But he's taken this stand

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Speaker 6: And it's also strange because you know, it wasn't like

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Speaker 6: he's not entering a not guilty plea. He is not

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Speaker 2: move the case along, get it to go to trial

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Speaker 2: until three years since the martyrs.

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Speaker 3: That's bs technical legal term.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to what the families, for instance, of

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Speaker 2: Kelle Gonsolvus have to say.

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Speaker 10: The families of Kale Gonzabz and Xaner Crenodle issued a

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Speaker 10: public statement sharing their frustration and not having a trial

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Speaker 10: start date yet. Leyta County Prosecutor Bill Thompson says he

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Speaker 10: could be ready to present his case in March of

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Speaker 10: twenty twenty five, while Coberger's lead attorney, Anne Taylor says

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Speaker 10: she will not be ready until June twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 10: Taylor also says she plans to call four hundred witnesses

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Speaker 10: in a trial expected the last six weeks. In their

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Speaker 10: open letter, the Gonzavez and Crenodle family statement begins with

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Speaker 10: why are victims family so misunderstood? The letter concludes with

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Speaker 10: we want to start healing.

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Speaker 3: We do.

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Speaker 10: We want to find justice and try to move on

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Speaker 10: from this horrible tragedy. So please please start making some decisions.

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Speaker 2: Amen, Amen, brother, start making some decisions.

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Speaker 3: Judge, Judge, judge, do something.

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Speaker 2: There should not be a three year delay of course,

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Speaker 2: the judge does not want to jeopardize a death penalty

461
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Speaker 2: case and get a reversal lot appeal if there is

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Speaker 2: a conviction.

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Speaker 3: But three years no, h E double l N way

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Speaker 3: too long.

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Speaker 2: And let me tell you, doctor John Dilatory. I had

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Speaker 2: a case, an incident occurred when I was in law school.

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Speaker 3: The case was tried, there were clear errors.

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Speaker 2: Two defense were tried together, and both of their statements

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Speaker 2: came in where they blamed each other.

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Speaker 3: You can't do that. It's called interlocking statements.

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Speaker 2: You have the right to cross examine a by the

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Speaker 2: way that that is Chris McDonough, that it's not doctor

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Speaker 2: John Dilatory. You have the right to cross examine any

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Speaker 2: witness brought on against you. And so when your code

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Speaker 2: defendant blames you, you can't call the code defendant to

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Speaker 2: the stand if they take the Fifth Amendment right to

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Speaker 2: remain silent. So I had this case, doctor Delatory, that

478
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Speaker 2: was try when I was in law school and went

479
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Speaker 2: all the way up to one level before the US

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Speaker 2: Supremes came back down for a retrial. Fourteen years later,

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Speaker 2: I got the case to retry. You know what was

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Speaker 2: left eltory. I went in the evidence room there was

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Speaker 2: one X ray. I didn't know what it went to,

484
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Speaker 2: but I could clearly see a bullet in it and

485
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Speaker 2: a baseball cap that said, kiss my bass.

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Speaker 3: What was I supposed to do with that?

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Speaker 2: It took me painstaking work, literally around the clock to

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Speaker 2: put that case back together again. I'm happy to report

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Speaker 2: both code defendants will try separately, and we're convicted, and

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Speaker 2: I'm still behind bars today. Doctor delatory, delay, delayed, delayed, defense,

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Speaker 2: best friend. But what is it doing psychologically to the victims' families.

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Speaker 3: It's destroying them. It's ongoing torture.

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Speaker 11: It's absolutely ongoing torture as to what's going on with

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Speaker 11: these families.

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Speaker 8: Like they said, they just want justice.

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Speaker 11: They want the machinations of the judicial system to work.

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Speaker 11: But here's the problem is that it's not working in

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Speaker 11: their favor. If this is supposed to be about justice, right,

499
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Speaker 11: we're not seeing justice for the family members. If this

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Speaker 11: is supposed to be about fairness and equity, sure, Brian

501
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Speaker 11: Coberger deserves fairness and equity, but so do the family members.

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Speaker 11: He violated the rights of these individuals. They should still

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Speaker 11: be alive and they're not, and they have they should

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Speaker 11: have the right for their own speedy trial in order

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Speaker 11: for them to move forward with the healing process.

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Speaker 2: You know what, not only are the victims' families being

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Speaker 2: destroyed psychologically, the way that the victims were destroyed physically

508
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Speaker 2: is adding so much pain to these family members. Let's

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Speaker 2: just do a quick reality check. As you're looking at

510
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Speaker 2: the bright, vibrant, happy faces of these four young people,

511
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Speaker 2: don't really read about them in the headlines anymore.

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Speaker 3: We often hear.

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Speaker 2: About the girls, the girl victims, because many people like myself,

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Speaker 2: believe that one of them was the main target of coburger.

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Speaker 2: I don't want Ethan to get lost in the sauce,

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Speaker 2: but every day their case becomes more and more distant.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Greece.

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Speaker 2: To doctor Michelle Dupree, my longtime colleague and now friend,

519
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Speaker 2: renowned medical examiner, forensic pathologist, a former detective with Lexingdon

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Speaker 2: County Sheriffs, an author of Money, Mischief and Murder, the

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Speaker 2: Murdo Saga that also will require volume two, but more

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Speaker 2: important for my purposes, she is literally she literally wrote

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Speaker 2: the book. She's the author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide.

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Speaker 2: Could you explain just so we don't ever forget.

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Speaker 3: What happened?

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Speaker 2: To these four young people with their lives in front

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Speaker 2: of them.

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Speaker 12: Nancy, from what I've read and seeing, this was a

529
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Speaker 12: most horrific crime.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the.

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Speaker 12: Rage that was carried out on these young people and

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Speaker 12: the absolute devastation of their bodies. I can't even think

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Speaker 12: about it. It was just horrific. It was horrific. And

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Speaker 12: I want to say something about the witnesses that Coburger

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Speaker 12: supposedly has. We know that eyewitnesses are only accurate about

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Speaker 12: fifty percent of the time fifty percent, So this whole

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Speaker 12: thing is crazy. They need to make a decision. The

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Speaker 12: judge needs to start this trial and give this family

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Speaker 12: some closure and time to heal.

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Speaker 3: Let's just start with the murder weapon.

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Speaker 2: We know what the murder weapon is because the killer

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Speaker 2: left the knife sheath. This is a fixed blade unlike

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Speaker 2: you know, a switch blade or a pen knife. You

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Speaker 2: open up a fixed a blade knife. How do I

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Speaker 2: know it kind because Coburger ordered the identical knife, sheath

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Speaker 2: and knife on Amazon, and we have that order. He

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Speaker 2: ordered this knife. Now, the knife itself has never been found.

548
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 2: The sheath, however, was found almost under one of the victims' bodies,

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Speaker 2: with Coburger's DNA on the snap where he had snapped

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Speaker 2: and unsnapped that knife. If you look at the sheath,

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Speaker 2: it has a snap that closes down right. It is

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Speaker 2: behind the handle that sheath folds over and snaps.

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Speaker 3: That's whereas DNA was found.

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Speaker 2: That is the type knife used to murder these four victims.

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Speaker 2: And I have long said one of the most painful

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Speaker 2: and brutal deaths is a knife death.

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Speaker 12: Why that's right, Nancy. I mean, this is a sharp,

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Speaker 12: forced instrument. You know, when you even a paper cut

559
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Speaker 12: on your finger, can you imagine a knife like that

560
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 12: being thrust into your body all over and several times

561
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Speaker 12: in so many places, and then absolutely all the blood around.

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Speaker 12: It's just horrific.

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Speaker 2: Multiple stab rooms, one of the boys the most gruesome

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Speaker 2: crime scenes these LA law enforcement had ever seen. I'm

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Speaker 2: literally seeing cops leave a crime scene and vomit, especially

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Speaker 2: a rookie, vomit over what they've Sayen jump in, Chris,

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Speaker 2: thank you.

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Speaker 8: You know what I got to tell you, because to

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Speaker 8: your point there for a moment that when you get

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Speaker 8: to these types of scenes, immediately the casts off the

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Speaker 8: type of savagery that takes place, because that nice is

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Speaker 8: a very personal weapon. To the suspect and the victim

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Speaker 8: that sees this item coming at them. In this case,

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Speaker 8: it's a k bar United States Marine Corps military killing machine.

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Speaker 8: It's a tool to kill. And those officers, those detectives

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Speaker 8: that got there. I can tell I've stood in crime

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Speaker 8: scenes and looked up the ceiling. Well, the EMMY is

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Speaker 8: counting wounds on the victim, and I'm counting cast off,

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Speaker 8: you know, from that night on every stab one and

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Speaker 8: we're trying to correlate those two together. But in this case,

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Speaker 8: he starts with two and he's got two more to go.

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Speaker 8: This guy is as evil and as brutal as they

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Speaker 8: can get in those things. And not only are the

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Speaker 8: cops going to be having those memories for the rest

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Speaker 8: of their lives, but the family has not only getting

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Speaker 8: pulled through this non decision problem with this judge, but

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Speaker 8: they're also going to have to see all of this

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Speaker 8: that's coming. You know, God bless them.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of that, Chris mcdonney, you're right back to doctor

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Speaker 2: John Delatory. Doctor Delatory, I had similar reactions and still do,

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Speaker 2: having been a victim of violent crime myself. It's hard

593
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Speaker 2: for family members and loved ones of the murder victims

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Speaker 2: to reconcile a ton of steaming hot bs with legal rights,

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Speaker 2: Like they hear alibi, They're like, oh, hell no, you

596
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Speaker 2: do not have an alibi. What is this bs he's

597
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Speaker 2: trying to unload in the courtroom when we know as

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Speaker 2: lawyers that the defense has a right to put up

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Speaker 2: an alibi even if it's a big fat lie. So

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Speaker 2: this is excruciating for family members who hear the judge

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Speaker 2: wants the trial to be three years, three years after.

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Speaker 3: I wish the.

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Speaker 2: State could file for a speedy trial three years after

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Speaker 2: the murders. And now they're hearing Coburger is going to

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Speaker 2: have an alibi and they're having to basically hold their

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Speaker 2: feet to the fire to get witnesses to the alibi.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is excruciation.

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Speaker 2: Adding the legal process is just torturing the families of

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Speaker 2: these victims.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, absolutely, This is what it means when we say

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Speaker 11: terms like time is relative.

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Speaker 8: So for most of us, right this three years.

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Speaker 11: Yes, we're all up in arms about the delay that's happening,

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Speaker 11: but three years is going to pass for us in

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Speaker 11: an instant. For these family members, each day, each hour,

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Speaker 11: each minute is excruciatingly long. Each time, each experience that

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Speaker 11: it gets brought up is just expands the time frame

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Speaker 11: with which their trauma and everything that's going on with them.

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Speaker 6: Is happening to them.

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Speaker 11: And until there's a resolution that they can accept, it's

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Speaker 11: going to be like a wound reopening time and time

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Speaker 11: and time again.

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Speaker 3: To you, Tara Malik.

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Speaker 2: The right to present an alibi, of course, is guaranteed

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Speaker 2: under the Constitution your defense and the state or the

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Speaker 2: judge can interfere with your ability to put up your defance.

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Speaker 2: But this has really got to be tortuous to the victims'

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Speaker 2: families because they don't believe there is an alibi, and

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Speaker 2: that whatever alibi the defense is presenting is a big lot.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, it is really difficult for victims' families in situations

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Speaker 6: like this to have to sit through a trial and

632
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Speaker 6: listen to an alibi, you know, be cobbled together like

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Speaker 6: it's you know, being attempted in this situation, especially under

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Speaker 6: these circumstances where there's absolutely no clarity at all about

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Speaker 6: what this alibi really looks like and whether or not

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Speaker 6: there are actually witnesses who can corroborate that Coberger was

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Speaker 6: somewhere else and couldn't have you know, committed these murders.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's right, Tara. Because they're saying he has

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Speaker 2: an alibi. Right now, we're getting two theories. He likes

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Speaker 2: to go on long drives alone at four o'clock in

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Speaker 2: the morning, and that there is an Taylor.

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Speaker 3: The defense lawyer has said there's going to be.

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Speaker 2: Evan's corroborating coburger quote being at a location other than

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Speaker 2: the king wrote address, and that location will be disclosed

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Speaker 2: pursue it to discovery and evidentiary rules. I mean, if

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Speaker 2: I had an alibi, I'd be screaming it to the top.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at a Jackie shaking her head. Yes, I'd

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Speaker 2: be screaming it on day when I wasn't there, I

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Speaker 2: was at X.

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Speaker 3: But that didn't happen, did it? Because it's a lie.

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Speaker 2: This is what's happening to Marine Callahan joining us column

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Speaker 2: is for the Dailymail dot Com.

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Speaker 3: I love your columns, by the way, Mariene Callahan.

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Speaker 2: I understand that there is a hearing set for April

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Speaker 2: where the alibi is going to be disclosed.

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Speaker 3: Do you know about that? I know nothing about what.

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Speaker 5: This alibi is going to be, nor the context for

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Speaker 5: the disclosure. Can't wait to hear it, can't wait to

659
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 5: hear it. You know, I was listening to your other

660
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 5: guests and experts. I was thinking about what this trial,

661
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Speaker 5: in so far as it's developing, with this like years

662
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 5: long gestational period, really sort of why it's striking such

663
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Speaker 5: a nerve. And I think there's something about what seems

664
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Speaker 5: to be the white glove treatment that is being afforded

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Speaker 5: to suspect.

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00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 3: When you look at images of.

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Speaker 5: Him in court, he's in there without handcuffs, He's in

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00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 5: there without being surrounded by law enforcement. If he is

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Speaker 5: guilty of what the prosecution is charging him with, which

670
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 5: most reasonable people think is absolutely the case, he is

671
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 5: a very dangerous individual. He seems to be enjoying the

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00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 5: dragging out of this process. To refuse to enter vocally

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00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 5: his own not guilty plea is an fu to the

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Speaker 5: court to.

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Speaker 3: Make the judge do it.

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Speaker 5: And I think what this goes to is this overall

677
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 5: sense that right now now in America, like up is down,

678
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 5: down is up, it is criminals who are getting the

679
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 5: benefit of the doubt, the gentler treatment, while it's law

680
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 5: abiding citizens who are really being made to suffer in

681
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 5: multiple ways you see it across the board in this

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Speaker 5: country right now, and when you have the families of

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Speaker 5: the victims making a very rational public plea, please do

684
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 5: not destroy the crime scene, Please do not destroy this house.

685
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 5: It is without question any jury is going to want

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00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 5: to walk through. I mean, you guys were just going

687
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 5: sort of through the drive that you both took, just

688
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 5: sort of really comprehend how well this suspect would have

689
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 5: had to know those roads, those unmarked roads that you know,

690
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 5: who doesn't drive around in the middle of the night,

691
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 5: early in the morning and turn their.

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Speaker 3: Cell phone off undeserted highways. Please.

693
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 5: But to have that very very logical, rational request just

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00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 5: completely denied, and to have the house demolished within a month,

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00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 5: this all seems unfavorably stacked against the victims and their families.

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00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 5: And I think that it's why it's so important as

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Speaker 5: you're doing, Nancy, to keep the pressure on everyone involved

698
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 5: in this case, because the longer it is delayed, the worse.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be for the families.

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Speaker 2: I just think the summer's coming up. Marine, wasn't Judge

701
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 2: going to be out golfing on the lake. He ought

702
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 2: to have his rear end up on that bench. Try

703
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:43,280
Speaker 2: this case until it's done. Enjoy your summer vacation, judge,

704
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 2: while the families of these victims have more and more

705
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 2: sleepless knives, full of rage, full of anger, full of

706
00:42:54,360 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 2: disillusionment with you and the justice system. You know what,

707
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 2: I'm glad Lady Justice is wearing a blindfold because I

708
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 2: would hate for her to see what this judge is

709
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 2: orchestrating in this courtroom right now.

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00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 5: I just want to know, with your own experience, you know,

711
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 5: a case like this for any judge, any lawyer, it's

712
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 5: a potential starmaker.

713
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 3: So what's the thinking?

714
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 2: Who gives a flying fig about being a star? I

715
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 2: want justice? You think I ever thought I'd end up

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00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: on TV when I try a murder case.

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00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 3: I'm not you at all. I'm not talking to you

718
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 3: at all.

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Speaker 2: I hear you this judge. Yeah, okay, number one. You're right.

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Speaker 2: It could make and break the careers, make or break

721
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 2: the careers of all these prosecutors and all this defense

722
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 2: team and this judge. In case they ever want to

723
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 2: do anything beyond what more different or different than what

724
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 2: they're doing right now, you'd think they take it a

725
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 2: little more seriously, right, Marie?

726
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 3: Callahan.

727
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 2: But apparently the judge doesn't care what anybody thinks about him,

728
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 2: and that includes what the victims' families think about him.

729
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, let's not forget Nancy your vegan choices as as well.

730
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 8: In the jail. You know today today we're serving vegan

731
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 8: males for mister Coberger, where everybody else is probably you know,

732
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 8: has two pieces of bread with a piece of bologna

733
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Speaker 8: in between it. So you know, this judge needs to

734
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,439
Speaker 8: just say, you know, let's get this same moving, let's

735
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 8: move it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you.

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Speaker 2: I'm a little more concerned about a true verdict for

738
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Speaker 2: these families than I am about his bologney sandwich. But

739
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 2: that said, we wait until justice unfolds. I can't wait

740
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 2: to hear that album because I guarantee you there's going

741
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 2: to be at least one woman that's going to.

742
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 3: Rip that alibi to shreds. I think you know who

743
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Speaker 3: that is. Goodbye, friend,