WEBVTT - Thalía: Piel Morena 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:06.520 Dalia has got it all. 0:00:07.000 --> 0:00:10.480 Decades of hits and eras that have touched multiple generations, 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:16.000 fashion lines, iconic music videos, and a meme worthy telenovela. 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:18.760 Scenes, and her story touches on so much of what 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:23.000 we've talked about this season. You've got child stardom, media industry, 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:28.400 power brokers, salacious rumors, behind the scenes, drama, and unstoppable talent. 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:32.440 Her story is telenovela worthy. 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:38.640 There's fights, scandalous romance, a ransom, and a fairy tale wedding. 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:43.200 It's also a perfect study in playing the fame game, 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:46.280 building an audience and staying connected with it no matter what. 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:53.080 But D'alia's story would be nothing if not for Dalia herself. Confident, impulsive, 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:57.600 unapologetically herself, and forever in touch with her inner child. 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:01.640 Her story might share much in common with other icons 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:05.880 from this season, but Talia herself, well, there is no 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:11.160 one else like her, and that was clear from day one. 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:15.400 I'm your host Liliana Oosquez. 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:19.400 And I'm Joseph Carrio and This is Becoming an Icon. 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:22.400 A weekly podcast where we give you the rundown on 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:26.800 how today's most famous LATINV stars have shaped pop culture. 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:28.880 And given the world some extra level. 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:31.680 Sit back and get comfortable. 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:33.399 Because we are going in. 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:39.880 The only way we know how, with whenas, unassas and 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:43.440 a lot of opinions, as we relive their greatest achievements 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:46.720 on our journey to find out what makes them so iconic. 0:01:56.960 --> 0:02:00.000 Our story begins into that de Mexico, where on August 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:04.520 twenty sixth, nineteen seventy two, Ernesto sod Payas and Yolanda 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:07.639 Miranda Mankee welcome their fourth daughter into the world. 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:12.880 Little Ariadna Talia Sodi Miranda will show herself to be 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:17.480 hard working, mindful, keeps her pencils in a row, virgo 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:20.639 big straight, a student, vibes at her best. She's down 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:24.240 to earth, but perfectionism and high expectations can lead to 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:26.280 disappointment with the people around her. 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:30.200 If you already know what goes down with Timrice, you 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:31.320 might be nod in your head. 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:31.480 Here. 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:34.320 She's going to take care of herself, but she might 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:37.040 miss the big picture. Luckily, the moon in Areas will 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:40.600 keep her in check with a self starting, adventurous energy aka. 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:43.560 She won't be stuck in her head, but trust her instincts. 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:48.000 Unlike many of our icons from this season and some 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:52.240 from last. Dalia was born into a pretty well off family. 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:58.079 Daddy was getting that coin. Ernesto was a scientist, medical pathologist, 0:02:58.400 --> 0:02:59.960 criminologist and right. 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:02.400 I guess having four jobs was maybe a good thing 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:06.320 back in the seventies. In any case, Thalia's mother, Yolanda, 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:10.280 was a dedicated homemaker for eleven years. Yolanda was busy 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:13.080 with three daughters, and then along came Talia. 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:16.720 Dalia was an accident. 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:19.560 Yolanda says by the time her youngest daughter was born, 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:23.160 she and Ernesto felt like they could have been her grandparents. 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:25.800 Now that's some brutal honesty. 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:28.840 Aware from what we can tell, this didn't make for 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:32.000 an unhappy childhood though. Falia grew up in Santa Maria 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:36.320 La Ribera, a colorful and famous neighborhood in Mexico City. 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:39.440 And she had that kind of childhood people only dream 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:42.720 about now. She roamed free and explored the streets on 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:43.200 her bike. 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:46.880 Falia has fond memories of eating vanilla raisin balletas and 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:51.000 having picnics at the Kiosko Morisco, a big, colorful pavilion 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:55.760 that looks like it was time warped out of medieval Spain, but. 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:58.320 Before our girl could even walk. She was on TV. 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:00.880 She was just a year old when she appeared in 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:03.680 a soda commercial. Some girls are just born to be 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:04.240 on screen. 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:05.160 Fun fact. 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:07.760 She also grew up in one of the neighborhood's most 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:11.720 famous buildings, the House of Dogs, a building guarded by 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:13.200 twenty seven dog statues. 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:16.000 God, my neighborhood growing up had a house like that, 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:18.320 But the dots are real now. 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:22.600 Once Talia was able to get around, she became a 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:26.080 bit of a tomboy. She played baseball and made mischief 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:27.839 with a slink shot it's giving. 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:31.359 It now, and then the backwards baseball cap pink bubblegum. 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:34.480 Look, but our girl contained multitudes. 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:37.919 At just four, she took ballet and piano at the 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:39.960 National Conservatory of Music. 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:42.520 Wait wait, wait, wait, wait wait, this sounds too good 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:43.680 to be true. 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:47.640 Are you about to hit me with a devastating tragedy 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:49.560 that up ended little Talia's sense of normalcy? 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:53.640 Oh yeah, I knew it. Thank God, this is the 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:56.920 last one, Joseph. Sorry, Demi Lovado, I gotta give my 0:04:56.960 --> 0:05:00.320 heart a break. Oh wait, should we do Demian season three? 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:01.920 Wait? 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:06.599 Do we need to get approval for that? Anyway? Back 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:07.200 to Taaliam. 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:10.559 When the future Raina that Bop was just six years old, 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:14.159 her father fell ill. He would stay at the hospital 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:15.159 days at a time. 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:19.640 Yolanda and her four daughters visited him constantly, but each 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:22.280 hospital stay he got sicker and sicker. 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:25.360 One day, Yolanda said to Talia, give your dad a 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:26.599 kiss so he gets better. 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:29.560 So she did, and as they were leaving the room, 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:32.720 Bealia suddenly heard beeping from the machines that were hooked 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:35.719 up to her father. Medical staff rushed past them and 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:39.120 into the room. Ernesto was gone. 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:42.360 And poor Talia was immediately convinced that her kiss had 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:50.839 sealed her father's fate. After that, Delia didn't speak for days, weeks, months. 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:55.320 Balia still went to her lessons at the National Conservatory, 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:59.200 still played baseball, still explored the streets, but she didn't 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:00.760 utter a single word. 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:04.599 Yolanda took Dalia to a psychologist, believing something had broken 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:05.279 in her daughter. 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:08.360 The doctor told her it was a trauma response, but 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:12.440 that otherwise Dalia was fine. Unsatisfied, Yolanda did what a 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:15.960 lot of mothers would probably do, myself included, and took 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:19.520 her to see several other psychologists for additional opinions, but. 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:21.560 They each told her the same thing. 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:24.440 And so Yolanda had spent a full year wondering if 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:28.279 she'd ever hear her daughter's voice again. And so one day, 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:31.159 Yolanda and Dhalia were sitting at dinner, and Dahlia turned 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:35.000 to her mother and asked, Mom, where's Dad. 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:39.360 I've got to imagine that time literally stopped for Yolanda. 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:41.839 That's a gun to your head moment as a parent, 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:45.160 like if I say the wrong thing, what will that 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:46.200 do to my child? 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:46.320 Like? 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:48.039 Will she not speak for another year? 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:52.599 Real Yolanda was shook, but she took her breath and said, well, 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:56.760 your dad's in heaven with God, so he's not coming back. 0:06:57.360 --> 0:06:58.360 You won't see him again. 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:03.800 D simply said, oh, okay. She kept on eating and 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:06.920 that was it. She went about her life and started 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:07.640 talking again. 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:11.080 Look, I get it. Vocalist is totally valid. 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:15.640 Tama respond better known as selective mudism, incidences of which 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:19.680 are super rare. After her year of grief, Falia grew 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:22.080 up healthy, happy, and inspired. 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:26.160 Dlia's first rush of inspiration came from watching the nineteen 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:30.400 seventy six Olympics, where Nadiya Kominici became the first gymnast 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:32.400 to earn a perfect ten. 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:35.040 But she also had a role model closer to home, 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:39.880 her older sister, Laudasabata, a working theater and film actress. 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:43.160 Delia stayed on her best virgal behavior so that her 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:45.240 mom would let her come see her big sister on 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:49.000 stage and on screen, and watching her big sister shine 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:51.760 showed her that her own dreams could be made real. 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:56.080 Finally, in nineteen eighty two, Balia Yolanda took a mother 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:57.080 daughter girls. 0:07:56.840 --> 0:07:58.239 Trip to New York City. 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:02.280 Their first stop Baby, they. 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:05.160 Took in show after show during a Broadway season that 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:09.160 included Cats and a musical adaptation of Alice in Wonderland. Balia, 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:12.600 at ten years old, was dazzled by the shows. 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:16.200 Then came a trip to Saint Patrick's Cathedral, and like 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:19.960 everyone who visited Saint Patrick's Cathedral, like me, Dalia took 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:22.880 one look at the place and thought, I'm getting married here. 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:26.120 And we will check back in on that wish later, 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:29.360 but for now, Dalia was heading back to Mexico City 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:32.480 with a head full of dreams and a belly full 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:48.760 of fire Ballia's story connects a few dots across the 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:52.120 icons we've covered this season. One of the biggest dots 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:53.200 being te La Visa. 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:56.080 Are we about to pull a curtain and reveal the 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:59.439 mastermind behind the entire Latin pop industry. 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:02.200 It's it's not that serious. 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:06.720 Although actually Televisa definitely has the makings. 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:08.200 Of Mexican succession in a way. 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:13.600 It was and remains Mexico's single largest mass media company, 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:16.680 and ownership of tele Visa has been passed between three 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:19.920 generations of one family, the Escatagas. 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:26.240 Damn, where do I watch that telenovela? Honestly, tele Visa. 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:29.600 If you owned a television set in Mexico in the eighties, 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:33.920 you were watching Televisa, and the actors on that telenovela 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:37.080 would have been trained by Televisa's own drama school, El 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:41.200 Centro de Educispeka. 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:42.800 So let me get this straight. 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:45.520 It's like, instead of going to theater school and then 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:48.080 swepping out to Hollywood t audition for a network show, 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:51.439 the network itself ran a drama school. 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:55.880 Home Grown Baby, and in the eighties Bella Visa's drama 0:09:55.920 --> 0:10:00.160 school founded a children's division and began airing Jugemo Sacanta, 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:04.040 a yearly singing and dancing competition show for kids. 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:04.640 Mmm. 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:07.480 So this is where Dalio's story starts to sound a 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:09.560 little bit like Christina's in. 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:10.440 More ways than one. 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:13.200 So in nineteen eighty three, an eleven year old Talia 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:15.719 makes her second appearance on national TV. 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:18.160 A decade after showing up in a soda commercial as 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:18.920 a baby. 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:22.200 This time she's singing and dancing in a purple satin jumper. 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:26.480 The song Mina moderna de rock modern rocker Girl is 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:28.560 about being a little different from other girls. 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:31.000 Oh does she sing about going quiet for a full year? 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:34.920 No, she is not the original Billie Eilish. That doesn't happen. 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:40.360 Baala's debut performance earns her second place, meaning she just 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:43.920 missed out on the grand Prize, a professional recording session 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:47.920 with major record label Moussart Records, and three appearances on 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:50.400 ci Mfreno Mingo shows. 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:53.480 Do you remember the show? It's the Mexican Dick Van 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:55.720 Dyke Show, Mexican Dick Clark. 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:56.800 That's what I said. 0:10:57.080 --> 0:10:57.840 Are you being cute? 0:10:58.040 --> 0:10:59.120 Aren't I? Always? 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:02.840 Yes? You are, in fact always so cute. 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:06.840 But sire and the Mingle, if you guys remember, is 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:10.400 the same show where Los Digres performed after the runaway 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:15.160 success of Contrabandocidalia would go on to make a number 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:16.560 of appearances on that show. 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:19.440 Bye Dick Van Dyke and Talia would have to wait, 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:20.240 I Hate You. 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:25.280 Disappointed, but not discouraged, Thalia kept working on her craft 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:27.640 and kept an eye out for opportunities. 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:31.560 Sometimes opportunities come knocking, and sometimes you got to bang 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:32.560 down that door yourself. 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:36.360 That's actually more my style, which brings us to nineteen 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:39.559 eighty five. Talia and her mother would take another trip 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:42.920 to the theater, this time in Mexico City, where Talia's 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:46.400 favorite children's pop group Bi maric Is performing in an 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:48.160 adaptation of Greece. 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:51.319 Dimniccio was like a boy band and girl band group 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:55.400 were coed like Spice Girls crossed with in Sync, Nediott 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:59.880 degrees crossed with throughout w when d meets New Genes'. 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:03.960 They were basically Mexico's response to a Spanish group, Batichies, 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:06.640 that had captured the hearts and ears of Mexican tweens 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:10.160 a couple of years earlier. And I should add they 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:13.400 were another product of the Televisa machine. Yo, can I 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:16.520 get some stock in Televisa. I'm not doing a good 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:17.880 job invested like and. 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:20.560 They did musical theater, and like any kid watching Greece 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:23.559 for the first time, Daliah wanted to be Sandy. 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:27.680 And just as Sandy makes her transformation. 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:32.200 From shy girl too thick and me, Talia's mother leans 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:33.040 over to her. 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:35.560 And sets so help me, God, you are going to 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:38.400 wear that kantast other jacket or my name isn't Yolanda 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:40.240 Miranda Manche. 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:45.400 Remember listeners, not all of Joseph's quotes are direct quotes. Anyway, 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:48.800 Felia laughs it off, but agrees to go backstage with 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:51.120 her mom to meet the producer. 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:53.880 Of the show You knock that door down, Yolanda. 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:57.200 The producer just so happens to recognize Talia from her 0:12:57.240 --> 0:13:01.480 time on Hugemo Sakantar and offers a role in the course. 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:05.040 She's in the back line, barely visible. Oh God, I 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:07.560 hope I get it. And then one day, just a 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:09.199 month later, she. 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:12.320 Does the female lead ends her run as Sandy, and 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:14.960 Dalia puts on the leather jacket. 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:18.160 Her mama was right, Okay, now this, Yulanda, I can 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:19.560 get behind, not seldomar. 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:23.199 And it turns out when you bang down that first door, 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:26.760 door after door will open for you, because months after 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:29.520 her run, ends in Grease, Dalia gets a dream offer 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:31.920 to join them Verche itself. 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:36.400 Dahalia's about to join the big leagues, but not everyone 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:37.880 is going to be happy about it. 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:49.760 The year is nineteen eighty six and thin Verce is 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:50.800 riding a high. 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:55.160 Dahlia is the undisputed it chrome. Her looks, her stage presence, 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:58.600 and her moves single handedly saved the band. Without her, 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:02.640 you're going to go from les dardom to major cringe. 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:06.760 I also want to talk about the looks from Theme Betica, 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:10.800 because if I had a mood board to represent this 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:13.760 time in my life, they're showing up a lot on 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:14.800 that vision board. 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:17.120 I think that these looks can be used. Now. 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:18.920 I feel like my hair looks like that right now. 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:23.280 Okay, I'm rocking my natural wave pattern and I look 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:27.440 like I am a defunct, rejected It's not true. 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:30.840 Former member of Theme Betche. It's so good. 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:33.960 The often By the way, why did teens in the 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:36.560 eighties and nineties need to look like they were forty seven? 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:37.840 It was a thing. 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:41.880 Why do we want to Carl Lagerfeld, He was very 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:45.120 that and you know Latinos love their chanel honey. 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:48.960 Oh wait, it's just. 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:52.800 All I just can't understand why we all wanted to 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:55.240 look thirty years older when we were teens. 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:59.040 The hair, I'm not worth skipping this, okay. 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:02.760 And besides the herself, no one was happier about this 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:08.640 than her manager, I mean her mamager, Dina Lohan aka Yolanya. 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:10.920 After helping her daughter break down a door into an 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:14.480 industry neither of them knew anything about Mama your last, 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:16.920 stepped in to make sure her daughter had someone trustworthy 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:17.640 by her side. 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:21.800 Yolanda was one of the very first female managers for 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:24.840 a pop artist in Mexico. To say that the field 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:28.040 was a man's world is an understatement ow gross. But 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:31.840 amid the Machismo, Balia and Yolanda were a tight knit, 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:32.800 dynamic duo. 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:36.600 But there was one person who did not stand. 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:42.120 That was a Chica Dorada aka Mia Moore Paulina Rubio. 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:44.800 Now, for those of you that do not go deep 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:48.360 in the history with the Miricee, Paulina had been with 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:50.880 the group from the very beginning. 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:52.960 Fans knew her as. 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:56.240 A bit of a princess, a bit spoiled, a little cocky, 0:15:56.440 --> 0:15:57.640 and kind of a brat. 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:00.480 And here in Brat summer twenty twenty four, we can 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:01.360 say we are. 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:04.239 Here for it, and so were many of them Bettica's 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:08.280 original fans, so much so that the fandom was split. 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:11.640 Were you them Faulina or team Thalia. 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:16.080 This is Brittany versus Christina, but with perms, high rise 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:18.040 jeans and velvet tops. 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:22.160 Where do you think the wardrobe went archives? 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:27.880 Yeah, for sure, Elisa call me. And like Brittany and Christina, 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:31.760 things didn't start off hostel. They shared dressing rooms and 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:32.920 help each other get ready. 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:35.600 Talia had three elder sisters, so she knew how to 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:37.800 hang and they had each other's. 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:40.760 Back, but fans began to notice each girl shooting dirty 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:44.200 looks at the other during interviews. Rumors swirled that Ballina 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:47.640 threw shade on Thalia behind her back and vice versa, 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:51.880 but nothing could be confirmed until the infamous concert at 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:52.600 the Luca. 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:58.000 Tic takes the stage and Balina, taking a page from 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:03.160 Kristen Bell in Burlesque, peaks behind Dalia's back and unpugs her. 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:06.720 Microphone so she did not and when Talia notices that 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:10.439 her mic isn't working, she immediately puts two and two together, 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:15.479 marches George Baulina and snatches her microphone out of her hands. 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:18.960 Within seconds, the two girls are literally in a tug 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:21.080 of war match over the microphone. 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:23.520 The rest of the band. Okay, sorry, I had to 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:26.360 go back to my normal serious self. Okay, I'm having 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:28.800 too much fun with this because the fact that I 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:31.040 don't see a video of this playing in YouTube right 0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:33.159 now is making me so angry, Like where were the cameras. 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:36.760 Cameras up, cameras up, I wish. The rest of the 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:40.159 band freezes, unsure of what to do, and from there 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:48.400 it escalates quickly. Paulina accidentally hits Falia in the mouth accidentally. 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:51.159 I mean, all we have is her word, so we 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:55.360 are taking it. Then of course comes the permed hair pulling. 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:57.680 Oh my god, not the perms. 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:01.880 And the crowd is ampt deem. Paulina and Team Talia 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:05.400 chant the names of their faves like it's a TNA 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:08.040 wrestling match, and they pre ordered those tickets. 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:10.639 But the rest of Mexico wouldn't need no pay per 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:11.440 view to keep up. 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:12.679 With Ballina versus Dahlia. 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:16.520 The magazines and TV gossip shows were all over this. 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:19.359 A week after the infamous show at Do Luca, the 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:22.719 two girls sat down for an interview with actress Rodonica Castro. 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:24.680 I mean it's like she made this shit up, right. 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:29.560 They denied having ever fought or having held any grudges, 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:33.640 but the concertgoers knew exactly what they saw today. 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:35.720 That shit would be all over TikTok. 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:39.800 I mean, it would literally fill up your entire FYP 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:41.160 and I would be in. 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:46.040 A deep pull back in there, so deep in there. 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:50.119 I mean, by the way, life was just easier before smartphones. 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:54.359 It was, it was nicer, but the chief Mosa and 0:18:54.480 --> 0:19:00.320 me digging cameras up investigative journalists always now. It not 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:04.320 be long after that that Talia would ultimately walk away 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:07.960 from Tinice entirely. Her shift away from the band starts 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:11.119 in nineteen eighty seven, when a producer approaches her for 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:15.480 something similarly dramatico, a role in a telenovela. 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:19.600 It's a small guest role in Bobre senor Tali Mantour, 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:23.359 but Jessic with Grease, Dalia's short appearance would lead to 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:27.240 something much bigger, a co starring role in the first 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:30.720 ever teen oriented telenovela, King Seneta. 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:33.760 Put some respect on the name. 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:38.159 For those of you that don't know, King Signea was 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:45.360 a cultural phenomena youth. It's in that Degrassi euphoria skins 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:50.239 mold of teen drama. We are talking provocative, topical, and 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:52.720 ultimately so relatable. 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:57.360 It touched on teen pregnancy, substance abuse, prejudice, and discrimination. 0:19:57.840 --> 0:20:00.639 It was it was juice uh huh, and it spoke 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:04.280 to a generation that had never experienced a show that 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:08.280 was this confrontational and reflective of the world they were 0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:09.200 growing up in. 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:12.280 And the theme song was a bob and sung by 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:14.840 Timbiriche where Dalia was still a member. 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:20.360 This teen telenovela was a sensation, and today it is 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:23.760 actually considered to be one of the greatest and most 0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:27.080 influential Felen novellas ever made. 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:30.639 Night after Night, Talia was there on screen in the 0:20:30.720 --> 0:20:34.240 role of Vietris, one of a pair of besties excitedly 0:20:34.280 --> 0:20:36.040 planning their keenses. 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:38.960 But the two realized that womanhood is more complicated than 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:39.919 just a party. 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:42.479 Spoiler alert, Viatrins gets pregnant. 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:48.440 Jim Sigea would sweep the theve Novellas Awards that year, 0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:51.800 and Talia would win an award for Breakout Performance for 0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:52.879 an Actress. 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:55.600 All of this would have been enough to cement Dalia's 0:20:55.640 --> 0:20:58.440 place in the hearts and minds of millions of Mexicanos 0:20:58.480 --> 0:21:01.760 as a teen icon. But that wasn't enough for our girl. 0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:05.240 And so in nineteen eighty eight, after kin Signena goes 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:10.440 off the air, Dalia approaches Emilio Ascaraga, the president of Telavisa, 0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:12.280 and tells him. 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:18.160 Sata s getway, I want to be famous, world famous. 0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:21.359 Not a direct quote. Not a direct quote. 0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:25.440 At that point, Thalia has more than proven her star power. 0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:28.480 She has been the it girl in Mexico. She was 0:21:28.520 --> 0:21:30.600 like an it girl before it girls were on TikTok 0:21:30.680 --> 0:21:31.600 okay got it all right? 0:21:31.600 --> 0:21:31.959 Anyway? 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:34.720 She was the it girl in Mexico's leading team band 0:21:34.800 --> 0:21:37.960 and the co star of a groundbreaking TV drama, but 0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:39.720 still the spold. 0:21:40.440 --> 0:21:42.600 And yet Dalia stands her ground and says that she 0:21:42.680 --> 0:21:46.280 wants to be like Veronica Castro, the very same actress 0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:48.720 who interviewed her and Ballina Rubo, and. 0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:53.439 Emilio matches Balia's bet and sends her to Ali Wood 0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:59.080 to further study singing, theater and of course English. Dalia 0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:02.199