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Speaker 2: Decades of hits and eras that have touched multiple generations,

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Speaker 2: fashion lines, iconic music videos, and a meme worthy telenovela.

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Speaker 3: Scenes, and her story touches on so much of what

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Speaker 3: we've talked about this season. You've got child stardom, media industry,

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Speaker 3: power brokers, salacious rumors, behind the scenes, drama, and unstoppable talent.

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Speaker 1: Her story is telenovela worthy.

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Speaker 2: There's fights, scandalous romance, a ransom, and a fairy tale wedding.

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Speaker 3: It's also a perfect study in playing the fame game,

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Speaker 3: building an audience and staying connected with it no matter what.

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Speaker 2: But D'alia's story would be nothing if not for Dalia herself. Confident, impulsive,

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Speaker 2: unapologetically herself, and forever in touch with her inner child.

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Speaker 3: Her story might share much in common with other icons

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Speaker 3: from this season, but Talia herself, well, there is no

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Speaker 3: one else like her, and that was clear from day one.

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Speaker 3: I'm your host Liliana Oosquez.

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Speaker 1: And I'm Joseph Carrio and This is Becoming an Icon.

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Speaker 3: A weekly podcast where we give you the rundown on

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Speaker 3: how today's most famous LATINV stars have shaped pop culture.

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Speaker 1: And given the world some extra level.

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Speaker 4: Sit back and get comfortable.

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Speaker 1: Because we are going in.

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Speaker 3: The only way we know how, with whenas, unassas and

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Speaker 3: a lot of opinions, as we relive their greatest achievements

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Speaker 3: on our journey to find out what makes them so iconic.

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Speaker 3: Our story begins into that de Mexico, where on August

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Speaker 3: twenty sixth, nineteen seventy two, Ernesto sod Payas and Yolanda

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Speaker 3: Miranda Mankee welcome their fourth daughter into the world.

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Speaker 2: Little Ariadna Talia Sodi Miranda will show herself to be

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Speaker 2: hard working, mindful, keeps her pencils in a row, virgo

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Speaker 2: to earth, but perfectionism and high expectations can lead to

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Speaker 3: If you already know what goes down with Timrice, you

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Speaker 3: might be nod in your head.

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Speaker 1: Here.

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Speaker 2: She's going to take care of herself, but she might

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Speaker 2: miss the big picture. Luckily, the moon in Areas will

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Speaker 2: keep her in check with a self starting, adventurous energy aka.

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Speaker 2: She won't be stuck in her head, but trust her instincts.

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Speaker 3: Unlike many of our icons from this season and some

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Speaker 3: from last. Dalia was born into a pretty well off family.

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Speaker 2: Daddy was getting that coin. Ernesto was a scientist, medical pathologist,

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Speaker 3: I guess having four jobs was maybe a good thing

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Speaker 3: back in the seventies. In any case, Thalia's mother, Yolanda,

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Speaker 3: was a dedicated homemaker for eleven years. Yolanda was busy

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Speaker 1: Dalia was an accident.

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Speaker 2: Yolanda says by the time her youngest daughter was born,

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Speaker 4: Now that's some brutal honesty.

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Speaker 3: Aware from what we can tell, this didn't make for

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Speaker 3: an unhappy childhood though. Falia grew up in Santa Maria

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Speaker 2: And she had that kind of childhood people only dream

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Speaker 3: Falia has fond memories of eating vanilla raisin balletas and

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Speaker 2: Before our girl could even walk. She was on TV.

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Speaker 2: She was just a year old when she appeared in

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Speaker 3: Once Talia was able to get around, she became a

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Speaker 2: It now, and then the backwards baseball cap pink bubblegum.

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Speaker 4: Look, but our girl contained multitudes.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I knew it. Thank God, this is the

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Speaker 3: When the future Raina that Bop was just six years old,

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Speaker 2: Yolanda and her four daughters visited him constantly, but each

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Speaker 4: One day, Yolanda said to Talia, give your dad a

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Speaker 3: So she did, and as they were leaving the room,

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Speaker 2: Yolanda took Dalia to a psychologist, believing something had broken

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Speaker 3: The doctor told her it was a trauma response, but

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Speaker 2: And so Yolanda had spent a full year wondering if

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Speaker 2: Yolanda and Dhalia were sitting at dinner, and Dahlia turned

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Speaker 3: That's a gun to your head moment as a parent,

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 4: Will she not speak for another year?

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Speaker 2: Real Yolanda was shook, but she took her breath and said, well,

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Speaker 3: D simply said, oh, okay. She kept on eating and

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Speaker 1: Look, I get it. Vocalist is totally valid.

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Speaker 3: Tama respond better known as selective mudism, incidences of which

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Speaker 2: Dlia's first rush of inspiration came from watching the nineteen

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Speaker 2: Delia stayed on her best virgal behavior so that her

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Speaker 3: Finally, in nineteen eighty two, Balia Yolanda took a mother

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Speaker 4: Trip to New York City.

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Speaker 3: Took in show after show during a Broadway season that

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Speaker 2: Then came a trip to Saint Patrick's Cathedral, and like

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Speaker 3: And we will check back in on that wish later,

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Speaker 3: but for now, Dalia was heading back to Mexico City

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Speaker 3: of fire Ballia's story connects a few dots across the

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Speaker 2: Are we about to pull a curtain and reveal the

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Speaker 3: Although actually Televisa definitely has the makings.

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Speaker 3: It was and remains Mexico's single largest mass media company,

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Speaker 3: and ownership of tele Visa has been passed between three

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Speaker 5: Damn, where do I watch that telenovela? Honestly, tele Visa.

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Speaker 5: If you owned a television set in Mexico in the eighties,

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Speaker 1: So let me get this straight.

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Speaker 2: It's like, instead of going to theater school and then

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Speaker 1: Mmm.

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Speaker 2: So this is where Dalio's story starts to sound a

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Speaker 4: More ways than one.

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Speaker 3: So in nineteen eighty three, an eleven year old Talia

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Speaker 2: A decade after showing up in a soda commercial as

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Speaker 3: This time she's singing and dancing in a purple satin jumper.

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Speaker 3: The song Mina moderna de rock modern rocker Girl is

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Speaker 1: Oh does she sing about going quiet for a full year?

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Speaker 3: No, she is not the original Billie Eilish. That doesn't happen.

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Speaker 3: Baala's debut performance earns her second place, meaning she just

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Speaker 4: Do you remember the show? It's the Mexican Dick Van

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Speaker 1: That's what I said.

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Speaker 4: Are you being cute?

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Speaker 1: Aren't I? Always?

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Speaker 3: But sire and the Mingle, if you guys remember, is

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Speaker 1: Bye Dick Van Dyke and Talia would have to wait,

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Speaker 1: I Hate You.

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Speaker 3: Disappointed, but not discouraged, Thalia kept working on her craft

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Speaker 2: Sometimes opportunities come knocking, and sometimes you got to bang

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Speaker 3: That's actually more my style, which brings us to nineteen

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Speaker 3: They were basically Mexico's response to a Spanish group, Batichies,

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Speaker 2: They did musical theater, and like any kid watching Greece

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Speaker 3: The year is nineteen eighty six and thin Verce is

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Speaker 4: I feel like my hair looks like that right now.

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Speaker 2: Why do we want to Carl Lagerfeld, He was very

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Speaker 3: Here for it, and so were many of them Bettica's

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Speaker 3: And the crowd is ampt deem. Paulina and Team Talia

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Speaker 3: A week after the infamous show at Do Luca, the

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Speaker 4: I mean it's like she made this shit up, right.

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Speaker 3: They denied having ever fought or having held any grudges,

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Speaker 3: I mean, it would literally fill up your entire FYP

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Speaker 4: Put some respect on the name.

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Speaker 3: For those of you that don't know, King Signea was

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Speaker 2: Night after Night, Talia was there on screen in the

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Speaker 3: But the two realized that womanhood is more complicated than

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Speaker 2: All of this would have been enough to cement Dalia's

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Speaker 3: And so in nineteen eighty eight, after kin Signena goes

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Speaker 3: At that point, Thalia has more than proven her star power.

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Speaker 3: She has been the it girl in Mexico. She was

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Speaker 4: Anyway?

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Speaker 3: She was the it girl in Mexico's leading team band

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Speaker 2: And yet Dalia stands her ground and says that she

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Speaker 3: Emilio matches Balia's bet and sends her to Ali Wood

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Speaker 3: to further study singing, theater and of course English. Dalia

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Speaker 1: That's next time on becoming an Icon.

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Speaker 3: On the next Becoming an Icon, Balia makes her solo

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Speaker 3: debut with the Sanderdine moment of her own.

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Speaker 6: Yaoa esperta la more canis mea.

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