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Speaker 1: You know where I stand. I'm I'm firmly entrenched on

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Speaker 1: There's a little bit of a little big league situation

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Speaker 1: But they don't really play defense. Maybe they'll be better

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Speaker 1: My eye is drawn to that October first game on

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Speaker 2: Clemson had the one and nineteenth most explosive passing off.

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Speaker 2: The improvement for Clemson to be really, really good overall

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Speaker 1: Man, does that Just does that then imply that you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think there's too too many questions

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Speaker 1: last season, they won the ACC Atlantic. Correct, Sam Hartman

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Speaker 1: is back. It is clearly a team with a really

431
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Speaker 1: good offense. They run that slow mesh play which I'm

432
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Speaker 1: never gonna live down.

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Speaker 2: I just I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm never going to be able to watch that and

435
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Speaker 1: feel like it's going according to the plan and something

436
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Speaker 1: isn't just a broken play. But that aside, what is

437
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Speaker 1: I guess the output from a twenty twenty one season

438
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Speaker 1: that took Wake to new heights, Like, do we feel

439
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Speaker 1: they're going to be able to build on that?

440
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Speaker 2: Uh? I don't know. That team was really really good

441
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,120
Speaker 2: and situationally given the upheaval, especially on acc defenses last year,

442
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 2: that was a great year for wake Forest to you know,

443
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,199
Speaker 2: Jaquari Roverson's gone whatever, but its star receiver there and

444
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 2: they're still good at receiver. Donovan Green coming back is

445
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Speaker 2: a big deal at Perry Here is a big deal.

446
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Speaker 2: I just when you count on winning games forty five

447
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 2: to forty two, it's just year to year winning a

448
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,479
Speaker 2: division in that manner. Now they hire a new defensive

449
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,919
Speaker 2: coordinator in Brad Lambert, who was great at Marshall stopped

450
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 2: over at Purdue last year, and so there's just something

451
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Speaker 2: about defense that to me is like, you just need

452
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 2: the guys. That's the starting point. You can play with effort.

453
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Speaker 2: You can have a really sound scheme, you can be

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Speaker 2: tricky and full quarterbacks, but if you don't have a

455
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Speaker 2: defensive tackle pushing dudes back every play, if you don't

456
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Speaker 2: have linebackers going sideline a sideline, you're just gonna get

457
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Speaker 2: beat to corners. You're just gonna get beat to sidelines.

458
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Speaker 2: And so that's the problem to me with wake Forest

459
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Speaker 2: that I think they maximize what they are, they maximize

460
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Speaker 2: what they do. The strategy is extremely sound. I don't

461
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Speaker 2: know if you've ever looked in front of a mirror

462
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Speaker 2: and said, look, I'm not clooney, I'm not gossling, but

463
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 2: like I am maximizing in this moment. My hair looks great,

464
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 2: my scruff on my face looks great. I love what

465
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Speaker 2: I'm wearing. I'm as good as I can be, right,

466
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Speaker 2: And I think that's the Dave closs and experience with

467
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Speaker 2: wake Forest is they can get better on defense, definitely,

468
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 2: but with the number of games they're winning right now,

469
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Speaker 2: with Sam Hartman as an accurate quarterback running that system,

470
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Speaker 2: you know, the ideal candidate to run that kind of system,

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Speaker 2: I think wake Forest is really good. I think they're

472
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Speaker 2: only gonna go as far as that front takes them,

473
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Speaker 2: especially those linebackers, and that means seven to eight wins

474
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Speaker 2: to me, which given the loads of the Jim grob

475
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Speaker 2: Era good bye Me, I was gonna good by me. Yeah,

476
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Speaker 2: I was gonna set the over under at seven and

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Speaker 2: a half. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what Vegas has it at, but in

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Speaker 1: looking at this schedule, it's not a brutal schedule. Frankly,

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Speaker 1: I mean they've got both NC State and Florida State

481
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Speaker 1: and the road. But it's not like they're back to back.

482
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Speaker 1: There's a road, it's a Mediam middle. It's at Louisville. Yeah,

483
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 1: that could be a tricky spot. But otherwise, I mean,

484
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Speaker 1: as we discussed on the previous episode, they're home against

485
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Speaker 1: North Carolina, they're home against Syracuse, they're on the road

486
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Speaker 1: at Duke Like those are those should be winnable games,

487
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Speaker 1: Yeah for this team. So if they can get through

488
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Speaker 1: that middle portion relatively unscathed, I think they hit that over.

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Speaker 2: But I'm not.

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Speaker 1: Part of me feels like and tell me if I'm

491
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Speaker 1: if I'm wrong in voicing this, but if I am

492
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Speaker 1: speaking from the heart, from the chest and not trying

493
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Speaker 1: to dress it up for the sake of this podcast. Okay,

494
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Speaker 1: wake Forest felt like a fluke last year.

495
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Speaker 2: I don't think so. And I know I know all

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Speaker 2: the reasons I shouldn't say that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, And maybe I am biased from however, many

498
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Speaker 1: years of Wake Forest football before last season where they

499
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Speaker 1: really weren't good and we're building soul under Dave Clawson

500
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Speaker 1: and you know he's done a good job.

501
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Speaker 2: But because that was such a half.

502
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Speaker 1: Team last year, there was definitely a fluke quality that

503
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Speaker 1: prevented me from really taking.

504
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Speaker 2: That seriously, I hear you. But the thing is it,

505
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 2: look there, their turnover thing is a little bit worrisome.

506
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Speaker 2: I think they may have led the nation in turnovers generated. Yeah, yeah,

507
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 2: so that's going to come back to earth. But the

508
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 2: thing is, when, to me, when you have a good

509
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Speaker 2: quarterback and when your offense is at the point where

510
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 2: you're just absolute nails situationally, right when you're passing downs,

511
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 2: you're nailing it, third downs, you're nailing it, red zone

512
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 2: you're nailing it. High leverage situations, you're nailing it. Yes,

513
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 2: you're gonna lose that game like they did to North Carolina.

514
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Speaker 2: I think it was fifty eight to fifty five with

515
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 2: a bajillion personal fouls. They're gonna be those weird moments.

516
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Speaker 2: But I don't know. If you have the capability to

517
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Speaker 2: score that many points and we're going to be optimistic

518
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 2: that the defense can only get better with a better coordinator,

519
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 2: then maybe the defense is average below average, but I

520
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 2: don't think the offense has fallen off. And so when

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Speaker 2: you're that well coached and you play that hard, I

522
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Speaker 2: just I think they're looking like, look, who's in the

523
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Speaker 2: acc this year, in terms of new coaches, in terms

524
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Speaker 2: of other terrible defenses, I don't know. I'd much rather

525
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Speaker 2: be in that situation where your players are playing on

526
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 2: offense so confidently and that such a profound understanding of

527
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 2: that system that yeah, Wake is gonna get run over

528
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 2: by some teams. But like they have what Army, Florida

529
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 2: State and Clemson in a row. That's real weird, that's

530
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Speaker 2: but they dropped seventy on Army last year. They allowed

531
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Speaker 2: probably seven hundred yards on the ground. But I don't

532
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Speaker 2: know there's enough there to win more often than not.

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Speaker 2: So I'm just in on a well coached team with

534
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Speaker 2: a good quarterback. When you look at the Atlantic, Dan, Yeah,

535
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Speaker 2: how does.

536
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Speaker 1: It like break out for you? So we talked about

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Speaker 1: NC State and Clempson.

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Speaker 2: Those are one two. Wake Forest.

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Speaker 1: I threw in here next just because it seemed like

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Speaker 1: it made sense. But we've also got Liuiville that will

541
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Speaker 1: talk about Florida State, Syracuse, Boston College. Do we put

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Speaker 1: Wake in that three spot? Uh?

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Speaker 2: So you're saying Wake over Louisville, Florida State, Syracuse, NBC. Yeah, Ah,

544
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 2: that's a great question. I think I might have Florida

545
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Speaker 2: State ahead of Wake. Okay, but I could still see

546
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Speaker 2: Wake beating Florida State. But I'm just it's more over

547
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 2: time that Florida State is closer to having that combination

548
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 2: of quarterback and defense, even losing Jermaine Johnson, and we

549
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 2: can go there next where I think, with what Florida

550
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 2: State has added on offense and where they are they

551
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 2: seem to be ascending to on defense, I think over

552
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: time there's more to like about the Knowles. Okay, well,

553
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 2: let's go beats Florida State. Yeah, let's do it. Let's

554
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 2: talk about Florida.

555
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: Florida State got off to a really bumpy start last year,

556
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: and look, it was not at all certain that Mike

557
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: Norvell was going to make it through the season, let

558
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: alone through to twenty twenty two. But to his credit,

559
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: he pulled it together. The team did play better down

560
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: the stretch. Now, a lot of the concerns that I

561
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: think we're going to discuss here about Florida State have

562
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: been there for a while. These aren't problems per se,

563
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: but it does seem as if there is a renewed

564
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: sense of optimism that some of those kinks have been

565
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: worked out. I know you're a much bigger Jordan Travis

566
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Speaker 1: fan than I am. Where are we at with Florida

567
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: State if you're gonna put them in that three hole?

568
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 2: Jordan Travis needs to stay healthy. Mike Norvell has been

569
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 2: the architect of this offense and called plays. Kenny Dillingham,

570
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 2: the OC from last year goes to Oregon Alex Atkins

571
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 2: internal candidate offensive line coach promoted there. It's basically is

572
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 2: the architecture of this offense adjusted to the point where

573
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 2: they're not just taking shots and needing big running plays.

574
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Speaker 2: You know, they're more talented at running back and receiver

575
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Speaker 2: I think this year than they were last year. They're

576
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Speaker 2: deeper at running back, and they add Micah Pittman Johnny

577
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 2: Wilson if you can handle his drops, a big receiver

578
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 2: and you know transfer from ASU, Michael Pittman from Oregon. Yeah,

579
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Speaker 2: the offensive line is still the story. The offensive line

580
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 2: needs to get better every week. Jordan Travis needs to

581
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 2: stay healthier, and there needs to be more successful intermediate

582
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 2: action on offense for this team to succeed. Because defensively,

583
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Speaker 2: I know you're a big Jared Verse guy, right the

584
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 2: Albany transfer love them? Yeah, Uh, it's a big shoes

585
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 2: to fill for Jermaine Johnson, ACC Defensive Player of the Year.

586
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 2: But I think the defense is fine. This team was

587
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 2: led by their defense last year. I think it's only

588
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 2: getting better. It's only getting deeper. They're fast. I'm not

589
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 2: terribly worried about the defense. They probably need to get

590
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 2: better against the pass in a conference with good quarterbacks,

591
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 2: but I think there's enough there. No, it's a it's

592
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 2: a pretty challenging I was gonna say, counterpoint, it is

593
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 2: a challenging schedule. Counterpoint, We've got a neutral site game

594
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 2: against LSU week one. They do have a Week zero

595
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: game against Dukane, but Week one LSU, they're on the

596
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 2: road at Louisville, at NC State, at Miami, at Syracuse.

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Speaker 1: Which I'm curious to get your thought on the queues.

598
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: We've also got games in here against Clemson at home,

599
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: got a game in here against Florida at home to

600
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: close out the season. There are not any creampuffs.

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Speaker 2: On this schedule.

602
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Speaker 1: Maybe outside George Tecker, this is not an easy schedule

603
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: by any stretch.

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Speaker 2: There's also like the intangible of Florida State starting zero

605
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 2: to four last year and then losing to a largely

606
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 2: unmotivated Florida team. I know it it's a rivalry game,

607
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 2: but still you're talking about an interim situation where Florida

608
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 2: really struggled to summon up excitement and electricity for the

609
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 2: back half of their schedule, and yet they beat Florida State.

610
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Speaker 2: So that's the question to me, is is their consistent motivation?

611
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 2: Is their consistent focus? And that's you know, top down,

612
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 2: So Florida State schedule. I mean, look, they you mentioned

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Speaker 2: all the teams that they're playing, Florida State with Wake

614
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 2: at NC State and Clemson in a row. Forget you know, Louisville,

615
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 2: forget LSU. But just the variety of playing those three

616
00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 2: teams and preparing for the different is in in game

617
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 2: planning against those teams and executing against those teams. It's

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Speaker 2: a wild, wild slate. So I have Florida State as

619
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Speaker 2: in that eight ish rains as well seven eightish range.

620
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 2: Still a super young offensive line, and so you know,

621
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Speaker 2: for a lot of these teams, you're only going as

622
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 2: far as blank will take you. And for Wake Forest,

623
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 2: it's like the linebackers essentially, and for Florida State it's

624
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 2: the offensive line. If Jordan Travis is upright, if the

625
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 2: holes are there for whatever, Trey Benson and you know,

626
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 2: Mikeah Pittman becomes a part of their offense. They're winning

627
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 2: a bunch of games. I just I hope that they

628
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 2: are a more ground based team that is smart about

629
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Speaker 2: what the uh the route trees look like, and then

630
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Speaker 2: they're they're gonna be really successful. They are, I like

631
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 2: Jordan Travis enough that I think they're gonna be good.

632
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 2: But still there's still some the you know, the offensive

633
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 2: line things still worries me. That has been the problem,

634
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 2: hasn't it. Yeah, But they're good. Okay, they're pretty good.

635
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: They're pretty good.

636
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: You're getting better, which I think you're a Florida state Faniel.

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00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 2: Take where you want to go next?

638
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: I want to talk about Syracuse. You mentioned Syracuse. I

639
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: mentioned Syracuse, and this team has me completely interested in.

640
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 2: I wouldn't go that far. Don't let yourself go down

641
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 2: that road. Don't let myself go down that road. All right?

642
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: Tell me why, because this seems like a team that

643
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: kind of got itself figured out, at least as a

644
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: rushing offense down the stretch whole season. We know what

645
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: it's like to play in the carrier dome, need j M,

646
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 1: a wireless dome, whatever they're calling it now. I think

647
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: we like Dino Babers as a coach, maybe a lot

648
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: more a couple of years ago than we do now,

649
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: but still a good coach who knows what he's doing.

650
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: And this is a program that was only one win

651
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: away from Bowl eligibility a year ago. So is a

652
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: leap coming at all for Sarah cues now that maybe

653
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:01,919
Speaker 1: they got.

654
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: Themselves figured out. I mean a leap would be a bowl.

655
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 2: So Louisville Week one at home is must with is

656
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 2: absolutely must win. Catch Louisville with you know, new offensive

657
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 2: strategies or whatever. Week one because they have the following

658
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 2: teams consecutively in a row. Oh, I didn't see this.

659
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 2: NC State at Clemson, Notre Dame at pitt Florida State

660
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 2: at Wake. And that's before they travel to Boston College,

661
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 2: which may be a pretty good team by the end

662
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 2: of the season. And Pro's on here too.

663
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: Virginia's on the schedule as well.

664
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 2: Yes, so they have Virginia, you know, cross conference, cross division,

665
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 2: but Louisville Yukon's whatever. But Louisville Yukon, Purdue and Virginia

666
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: and then they have Wagner get in price two dollars.

667
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 2: I just if they're winning more than four games, like,

668
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 2: I don't like the home games that they have, So

669
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 2: they're gonna have to be at NC State at home

670
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 2: or Florida State at home. They're gonna have to beat

671
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 2: somebody like that, noted Aime at home. And I just

672
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 2: I don't trust their passing game at all. I don't

673
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 2: trust their offensive line all that much, although they were

674
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,959
Speaker 2: pretty good opening up holes, but protecting Garrett Strader, who's

675
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 2: not all that accurate. I just think their ceiling is

676
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 2: pretty pronounced at six or seven, you know, probably six

677
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 2: games if literally everything breaks correctly. Their defense is interesting.

678
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 2: We'll see what they look like up front. That's where

679
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 2: the questions are. The back half of this defense looks

680
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 2: to be the stronger suit of things, but I don't know, man,

681
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 2: if you're counting on a hopeful pass rush and running

682
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 2: the hell out of the ball with Sean Tucker, which

683
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 2: they will and should do, but it's just not enough

684
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 2: against this schedule. It just isn't. So I like them.

685
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 2: I like Robert and I coming over from Virginia, proven

686
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator. I just don't think they have a quarterback

687
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,479
Speaker 2: in line, and so you cap yourselves at a certain

688
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 2: number there, and you add in the realities of that schedule.

689
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 2: They can push that sled. They can push that sled February, March,

690
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 2: April May all they want, But I don't know that

691
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 2: it makes their passing attack any scarier. This is a

692
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 2: very very difficult schedule throughtober. Wow. Wow, So I have

693
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 2: four or five wins in there, and that's even like

694
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 2: catching Louisville sleeping early, catching Virginia. I think I go under. Yeah,

695
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 2: it's just another year of Dino Baber's overhauling his coaching staff.

696
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: This is brutal NC State at Clemson, Notre Dame at

697
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: pitt Florida State at Wake six consecutive weeks.

698
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: Good lord, Okay, yeah, that's tough man Louisville. Let's talk

699
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 2: about Wouisville. Mm hmm.

700
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: What does the future holes for Scott centerfield? Is he

701
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 1: taking this program in a good direction? Do we feel

702
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: like there's been progress enough that Louisville fans are going

703
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: to be satisfied with the results so far and what

704
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: it appears the season will look like in twenty twenty two?

705
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: Are the red flags? Where are we at here because

706
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,720
Speaker 1: I know Elie Cunningham, Like, we know what he's all about.

707
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: You know that he's a playmaker. I think we're familiar

708
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: with his skill sett and we like what he can

709
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: do for this team.

710
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 2: But he needs some help. Yeah, he can't zerbiak this

711
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,919
Speaker 2: production for Louisville. He ran for like eleven hundred yards

712
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:35,280
Speaker 2: last year in addition to throwing and having a terrific season. Frankly,

713
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 2: but they add Tyon Evans in the backfield, who was

714
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 2: pretty successful at Tennessee, and that's a big deal. I

715
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 2: mentioned losing Tyler Harrell to Alabama, which was also a

716
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 2: big deal in terms of a loss. I mean, the

717
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 2: team is only going to go as far as their

718
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,919
Speaker 2: defense takes them. They went to the portal pretty hard

719
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 2: for linebackers and DB's but they didn't really do anything

720
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 2: well on defense, and they lost a co coordinator in

721
00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 2: the process last year. And so it's basically, can the

722
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 2: defense ascend to hold up its end of the bargain

723
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 2: whatever that actually means, because the offense should be pretty good,

724
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 2: the line should be all right. Malik cunning Him at

725
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 2: his best, is probably one of the best five best

726
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 2: quarterbacks in the country. I know that sounds dramatic, but

727
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 2: at his absolute best, he doesn't turn the ball over,

728
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 2: He spreads the ball around, and he is a walking

729
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 2: explosive play, which is not something you can say for

730
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 2: basically anyone else you know outside of your your Bryce

731
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: Young's and your CJ. Strouds that Malik Cunningham has that

732
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 2: kind of ceiling. He doesn't have the help. Those dudes

733
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 2: have it. Receiver. He has guys, but a lot needs

734
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 2: to happen at running back to take off the weight.

735
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 2: Maybe it's Tyon Evans, who knows, but it's another ACC team.

736
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 2: That's just like we can't win forty five forty two

737
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 2: every week, we can't lose forty two to forty every week.

738
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 2: That the margin for error because of the defense is

739
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 2: just it's it's too difficult to project this Louisville team

740
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 2: as good given that that variable. Interesting. Interesting.

741
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: I so wanted to work too, same, you know, I

742
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: so want You mentioned Malie Cunningham rushed for eleven hundred

743
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: yards last year, also rushed for twenty touchdowns. He threw

744
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: nineteen more touchdowns, accounted for thirty nine touchdowns on this

745
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: team last year. They wouldn't have been anywhere without him.

746
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: You know, he is the offense. He needs some help,

747
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 1: so whether it's Tyn Evans or somebody else, hopefully they

748
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: can find it for him this year.

749
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 2: What do you think about Lance Taylor coming over from

750
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 2: Notre Dame? What was he the running backs coach? Is

751
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:31,919
Speaker 2: that what he was at Notre Dame? He's their new

752
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 2: coordinator on offense or co coordinator I mean, look, depending

753
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 2: on Saderfield's role. Yeah, yeah, I mean Notre Dame's offense

754
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 2: the last couple of years has been a bit of

755
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 2: an interesting discussion point, especially since they've had some turnover

756
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 2: at offensive coordinator and then Tommy Reese steps in, and

757
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 2: I think everybody thinks really highly of Tommy Reese. So

758
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 2: you know what, what I think has worked really well

759
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 2: for that offense is even though they've changed out some

760
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 2: of the names, there have been some steadying forces in there,

761
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: Like the offensive line has been consistently pretty good, and

762
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 2: the recruiting the talent that's come through has also been

763
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 2: pretty good. So there's stuff to work with.

764
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: I like Lance Taylor. I think he's been fine in

765
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: his capacity at Notre Dame. Certainly Notre Dame's done okay

766
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: on the running back front. But to come in now

767
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: to a situation where you've got a quarterback and questionable

768
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: help around him, I don't know how he's going to do.

769
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: I have no idea how to answer that question.

770
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's sort of a jobs of victory

771
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 2: team when you look at their games against Wake and

772
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 2: Virginia last year. Did plenty to win those games, lost

773
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 2: them each by one, three points or whatever, and so

774
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 2: it's situational success that they're locked in and everything. He's

775
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 2: on the same page.

776
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: All we have to go on is what Lance Taylor's

777
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: done previously. And I think he did a good job

778
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 1: in his capacity at Notre Dame. Wasn't he at Stanford

779
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: with Christian McCaffrey and Bryce Love as well? So like

780
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: he sure he's got exposure as it relates to some

781
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: really prominent college backs. Whether Tyan Evans can live up

782
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: to that billing remains to be seen. But yeah, this

783
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: is definitely a different circumstance for him.

784
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: The schedule starts, and I mentioned it with with Syracuse

785
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 2: just now, they that the Louisville games must win. So

786
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 2: the schedule starts pretty real. It's at Syracuse at UCF

787
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 2: Florida State to just start the year out like they

788
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 2: are just thrown into the mix. It ends even realer

789
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 2: tie at Clemson, n C State, at Kentucky by the way,

790
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 2: Kentucky dropped fifty on them last year. And so it's

791
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 2: not a media middle as much as it is like,

792
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 2: you know, spicy sandwich bread for Louisville schedule wise, so

793
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 2: they have their work cutout for him. If they can

794
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 2: find something on defense, and maybe it's turnover luck. Maybe

795
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 2: that's what's needed, or that just the universe is blessing

796
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 2: them with a bunch of forty five to forty two

797
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 2: wins instead of forty five to forty two losses. That's

798
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 2: what it'll take for them to get to something like

799
00:42:59,040 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 2: eight wins this year.

800
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: Interesting, all right, well let's close it out. Then we've

801
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: got I guess one more team here to discuss on

802
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: the ACC Atlantic side. Yes, and i'd be Boston College

803
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: and the Jerky Boys dan uh six and six a

804
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: year ago, two and six in conference. But there was

805
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: a Dennis Grozelle sighting for a good chunk of the

806
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: season almost be Clemson was driving b Clemson, almost be Clemson.

807
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 1: Dennis grozel experience philder Kovic is back.

808
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 2: Now, right, Yes, uh, the the Boston College experience will

809
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 2: be uh a well coached one. But with you know,

810
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 2: Jay Flowers is back for his fourteenth year, and I

811
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 2: saw something that like we're gonna try to get him,

812
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 2: you know, the all time Boston College you know receiving record.

813
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 2: Uh so a legit weapon in Zay Flowers that should

814
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 2: scare everybody in the conference. They ran the ball right

815
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 2: with pat garwo all things considered, with h Phil dri

816
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 2: Khovic being out last year, defense just needs to get better.

817
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 2: Defense just needs to get much much better. If Piled

818
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 2: Jerkovic is pretty good, he's good whatever, the defense needs

819
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 2: to be average. And that's it's just another team. I

820
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 2: feel like a broken record here. We're like offense is promising,

821
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 2: defense is still looking a little bit rough. So that's

822
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 2: my issue with Boston College. They're I mean, it's it's

823
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 2: a guy thing, it's a body thing. It's a depth

824
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 2: thing that maybe they'll show out one week and then

825
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: just get run over and trampled the next week. They

826
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 2: were certainly super beat up last year. But that's what

827
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 2: depth is for, that's what recruiting is for, that's what

828
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 2: development is for in Boston College most certainly did not

829
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 2: have that last year. So if they're better upfront, if

830
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 2: they're healthier upfront, they will stop more people, they will

831
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 2: stop more rushing attacks. But those are big ifs. Those

832
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 2: are absolutely big ifs. And you know, I was looking

833
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 2: at the numbers last year with Boston College and their

834
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 2: their past defense actually looked respectable. Ish. They missed like

835
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 2: all of the good quarterbacks in the ACC. Like it

836
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 2: is all relative. You actually have to look at some

837
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 2: of their perform rans is they miss most of the

838
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 2: good quarterbacks within the conference. So yeah, if they're healthier

839
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 2: and they're able to somehow grab one or two of

840
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 2: their meady middle at Florida State, Louisville, Clemson and then

841
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 2: a bye week before they travel to Wake Forests in

842
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 2: Winston Salem, they'll be all right. They can get to

843
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 2: a bowl game six seven wins, it's not unrealistic, but

844
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 2: they're going to need a little bit of Lady luck

845
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 2: on their side, just from a health perspective, from a

846
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 2: turnover perspective, ye, something across, something along those lines. So

847
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,720
Speaker 2: I just, yeah, I think they're another team with that ceiling.

848
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 2: But if they're feeling especially refreshed. You mentioned to me

849
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 2: the other night you got randomly ten straight hours of sleep. Yeah,

850
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 2: if they have that especially refreshing night of sleep on

851
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:46,280
Speaker 2: a Friday night ahead of somebody, good, definitely good enough

852
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 2: to beat basically anybody in the conference with the stars aligning.

853
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 2: But if you need that, that's also kind of problematic.

854
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 2: Interesting Boston College.

855
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: All right, So just to recap, then you are going

856
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 1: to be n C State, yes, as your top dog

857
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: in the Fatlantic, followed by Clemson, followed by Florida State,

858
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 1: follow by do we say Wake.

859
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 2: Forest before Louisville. Yeah, I have Wake before Louisville. I

860
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 2: think Wake before Louisville.

861
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: And then I'm assuming Boston College over Syracuse.

862
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 2: Man, I don't even know. They might have the best

863
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 2: running back in the conference. I don't know what that

864
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 2: counts for. I just worry about that Syracuse in Sean Tucker, Yeah,

865
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 2: I think I have Syracuse bringing up the rear.

866
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, well, look right in soliverblegmail dot com.

867
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,280
Speaker 1: Let us know what we missed, let us know what we.

868
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 2: Should look for.

869
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: Any observations of her ballerhood might have about the ACC Fatlantic.

870
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,760
Speaker 2: I think it's a fascinating division because of the continuity involved,

871
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 2: because of Dave Clauson, because of Dave Darrin, all of

872
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 2: everybody named Dave. Because of Scott Sadderfield, although he did

873
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 2: sort of overhaul things by the way, hired a new

874
00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 2: strength coach. Need to do that. But yeah, like Mike Norvel,

875
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 2: going into another year of experience, but changes. I yeah,

876
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,760
Speaker 2: I'm just into the familiarity, I guess of the Atlantic

877
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 2: at this point.

878
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: All right, shall we do the remaining American teams that

879
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: we Let's hit me last episode. So you did some

880
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: of the top dogs in the American I've got a

881
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: couple other ones here. Let me start with UCF. I

882
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: think you mentioned them in relation to one of the

883
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: other teams here. I forget who had UCF Week two.

884
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: But UCF nine and four last year finished third in

885
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: the conference. I you know, it wasn't apparent to me,

886
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: I think in the heat of the moment. But in

887
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: going back and reading more about what Gus mel Zon did,

888
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: he did a hell of a coaching job in year

889
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: one at UCF. Maybe they beat Florida in a bowl game,

890
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: for whatever that's worth. Maybe Florida was getting ready to

891
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: go to Cancun at that point. But this was a

892
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: team that was banged up all year. They lost Dylan

893
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: Gabriel relatively early and had to not only turn it

894
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: over to Mikey Kean, who was an unproven quarterback, but

895
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: also had to adapt that system so that I could

896
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: fit him. Mikey Keen did a pretty good job filling

897
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: in to the extent where he figures to be the

898
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: starter coming into this season, and the offense brings.

899
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 2: Back an awful lot.

900
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: There's just a lot of experience to fall back on

901
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: the team as a whole, brings back fourteen starters from

902
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: a year ago. The secondary should be really solid. The

903
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: schedule is not bad, Dan, No, it is not bad

904
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: at all. I could make a pretty good case for

905
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,720
Speaker 1: ten and two here for you seeing. I'm really bullish

906
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: on UCF this coming season.

907
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 2: Okay, really bullish on that. Walk me through what that

908
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 2: that sort of double digit win season looks like, just

909
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 2: because the continuity and not losing a quarterback and not

910
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 2: having you Gus had was going through his own stuff

911
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 2: last year, right with family health emergencies and you know,

912
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 2: was missing some stuff. So uh yeah, just the calm

913
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 2: of year two and figuring out the place. I don't think.

914
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 2: I don't hate that.

915
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: I mean, here's the thing about the schedule, right, A

916
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: lot of it comes down to schedule. The way this

917
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 1: thing sets up for UCF. Basically, everything from Halloween weekend

918
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: or beyond Halloween weekend seems very very winnable. And then

919
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 1: there are games kind of woven in amongst some of

920
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 1: these better matchups earlier in the season that are also

921
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,280
Speaker 1: what well, like they're going to beat South Carolina State

922
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: in Florida Atlantic right and probably Temple. There are games

923
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: artifacts Cincinnati. There are games against Georgia Tech, SMU, and

924
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: Louisville on this schedule. Can they win two of those?

925
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 2: I think so.

926
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: I think they're good enough to win two of those games.

927
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: If they could win two of those games and run

928
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: the table elsewhere, we're looking at a ten and two UCF. Yeah,

929
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: I just think it's possible. It's very possible. They've also

930
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: got most of these games at home. That's the other thing.

931
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:08,879
Speaker 1: Cincinnati home, SMU home, Louisville home, Georgia Tech home. All

932
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 1: their hard games are at home, which is always a

933
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: pretty good formula, especially when you've got a veteran team.

934
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hadn't seen the home road splits, and now

935
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 2: that I look at it, I'm a little bit worried

936
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 2: about a potential letdown situation at Memphis a week after

937
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 2: since I couldn't.

938
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: See that, but could could definitely see that. But it

939
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: just was so much coming back and I believe a

940
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: team that played really hard last season. I'm very optimistic

941
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: of this team. Even if it's not ten and two,

942
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 1: nine and three yea, there, they could absolutely get back

943
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:39,919
Speaker 1: to nine and three.

944
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, if they get better up front on defense, because

945
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 2: they were really good against the pass. Right, they had

946
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,760
Speaker 2: really solid pass rush. Like the defense came together nicely.

947
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 2: So if that carries over and Mikey Kean's that dude

948
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 2: once again, absolutely yeah.

949
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: I'm not totally sold to Mikey Keane. Oh okay, and

950
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: that totally. He did a good job in a relief

951
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: effort when he had to come. He did a good

952
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: job in that capacity. Not totally sold on, but he

953
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: did improve throughout the course of the year, and hopefully

954
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 1: the benefit of an offseason can give him a little

955
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 1: bit more pop this year. I mentioned Smusmus also on

956
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: that schedule. Smu is interesting. So they were eight and

957
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 1: four year ago. Sunny Dike's leaves to go to TCU.

958
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,919
Speaker 1: Rhett Lashley comes over. Rhett Lashley used to coach under

959
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: Sunny Dykes. So if you're wondering, what's it going to

960
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: look like, new coach, new whatever, it's basically going to

961
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 1: look the same on offense as what we saw last season,

962
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: which was a really successful offense, which saw Tanner Mordecai

963
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: for a good chunk of the season be one of

964
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:43,399
Speaker 1: the top quarterbacks in college football through thirty nine touchdowns.

965
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: He does lose guys out wide, but SMU hit the

966
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 1: portal really hard and they built depth, so I think

967
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 1: they'll be okay. The offense is probably gonna be a

968
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: little bit quicker at Lashley likes to run a little

969
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 1: bit more of a quicker system than I think what

970
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: we saw last year, But otherwise it should be very

971
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: similar and equally as effective.

972
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 2: They should be fine on the offensive side of the ball.

973
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:10,240
Speaker 1: On defense, yeah, on defense, they were really solid up front,

974
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: not very solid in the back.

975
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 2: They're very buch. I looked this up. I look this up.

976
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 2: This was an incredible split. Continue.

977
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, just not good on the back side of that defense.

978
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,879
Speaker 1: They've hired a new defensive coordinator Scott Simons who comes

979
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: down from Liberty and they're looking to run. You're gonna

980
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: be stunned to hear this. A more attacking, aggressive four

981
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: to two five system.

982
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 2: Great cool, love it, which will hopefully.

983
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: Benefit them, but they do need to fix that back

984
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: half of the defense that was the problem last year.

985
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 2: Last year they had the number one rushing success right

986
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 2: defense according to Bill Connolly's sp Plus, and the number

987
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 2: ninety five passing success right defense. And you won't believe this,

988
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 2: but they were not great rushing the pass.

989
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: No, no, no, So we'll see.

990
00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:58,399
Speaker 2: I like SMU.

991
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: I think SMU will be fine, and I do think

992
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: were at Lashley is a good move. It made it

993
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: to a logical move right. It makes sense. He's familiar ready,

994
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: and so you probably won't have the normal amount of

995
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 1: churn when you bring a new coach in. I think

996
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: he'll be able to hit the ground running. And that's

997
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: a good thing for usmucause they have a good team.

998
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 2: I have no idea how you're that bad against the past.

999
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 2: It's so good. Is this like the fifteen hundred pound

1000
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:27,439
Speaker 2: goalie theory? You just put somebody there's no flexibility, there's

1001
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 2: no speed, but just a matter of sheer size. There's

1002
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 2: nowhere to go. I don't think they have a bunch

1003
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 2: of fifteen hundred pound dudes along this defensive line.

1004
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:40,280
Speaker 1: Man okay tall so mumuch seven and six last year,

1005
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: and I like the effort. The final record isn't all

1006
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: that appealing. It's a five hundred team, but it easily

1007
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 1: could have come off the tracks last year because there

1008
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: were so many close games and they played hard. They

1009
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 1: really did play hard. You know how I stand on

1010
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: plucky team. I love to play hard, and Tulsa definitely

1011
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: fit that bill. I like the secondary this year. I

1012
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: think there are some nice pieces on offense. I'm curious

1013
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,479
Speaker 1: about the line about wide receivers like that they're gonna

1014
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: have to work.

1015
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 2: That out, but I don't.

1016
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie here and act like I have

1017
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: a hot take on Tulsa. I just felt it was

1018
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: very encouraging last year that things could have gone south

1019
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: and didn't, and that's usually a mark of a team

1020
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: that's got good chemistry, that's got a coach that can

1021
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 1: motivate them, and seeing what they've got coming back, I

1022
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 1: think it'll be probably another season around where we saw

1023
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 1: them last year.

1024
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 2: Lost to UC Davis to start the year last year,

1025
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 2: Dan hask They did, Yeah, they did. They needed to

1026
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 2: win what their final three to get ball eligible last year,

1027
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 2: and now they lose their defensive coordinator to I believe TCU, right, correct.

1028
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 2: So it's just that they're one of those teams that

1029
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 2: we talked about this a little bit, that they are

1030
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,879
Speaker 2: so frustrating. I'm sure to their fan base that they're

1031
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 2: hanging with the best and losing dumb ones. And so

1032
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 2: maybe that's just a Golden Hurricane experience. But I don't know.

1033
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 2: I'm hoping for the best for them because they've played

1034
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 2: in so many fun, weird games. They randomly own UCF

1035
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 2: and so I hope it works out for the Golden

1036
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 2: Hurricane and they give their fans, you know, less of

1037
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 2: a coronary this fall. But I don't know if that's

1038
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,320
Speaker 2: antithetical to the Tulsa Football.

1039
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: Final two teams in the American here, Tulane went too

1040
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:33,720
Speaker 1: and ten, Temple went three and nine. Last season, Temple

1041
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: hired a new coach, Stan Drayton. Look, this isn't a

1042
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: good team, all right, No, this is just it's not

1043
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:45,240
Speaker 1: a good team. And if you look at the roster

1044
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 1: you feel better about the defense and the offense. The offense,

1045
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: by the way, led by Dewan.

1046
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 2: Mathis, you're George transfer.

1047
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, like you got to give him

1048
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,879
Speaker 1: a chance to do his thing, and I would exp

1049
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 1: beck they would be better. They were pretty hapless for

1050
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 1: most of the year last year, so it's hard to

1051
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: get worse than Temple was a year ago. Stan Drayton,

1052
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:11,919
Speaker 1: God's work cut out for him. Don't don't expect big

1053
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: things out of Temple. On the two lane side, a

1054
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: different story right there. They've got their coach back. Willie

1055
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 1: Fritz is back, who's obviously been around for a good

1056
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 1: long time. He's got a lot back, nine starters, He's

1057
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: got four returning offensive linemen. They're very deep at running back.

1058
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: They need to get better in the secondary, which is

1059
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: kind of the mo for a lot of these teams,

1060
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: frankly right on the e G five level. But can

1061
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: they improve on two and ten?

1062
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 2: I hope.

1063
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: So I'm optimistic that you know, we'll be pushing five

1064
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: wins somewhere in that vicinity for tu lane in this

1065
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 1: coming season.

1066
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. The defense needs to go from bad to not embarrassing,

1067
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 2: which I'm still trying to do myself. I'm still definitely

1068
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,280
Speaker 2: trying to get to that point. So you know, LEDI

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00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 2: who has I don't know, I'll you know what aout

1070
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 2: that idiot miss you know, idioms and such. Temple is

1071
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 2: interesting to me because I'm very much a big believer

1072
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 2: on places and Temple is very much a place that

1073
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 2: has been a cradle for winning. If you're a competent coach,

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00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 2: you can recruit to develop in and win games at Temple.

1075
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 2: Whether it's a Dazio, whether it's Golden, whether it's Jeff Collins,

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00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 2: whether it's who am I missing who went to Baylor

1077
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 2: that the Penn State or who Matt Ruhle, whether it's

1078
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 2: it's guys like Temple's a place where you can and

1079
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 2: should win. Now there have been conference alignment changes and such,

1080
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 2: but I don't know, Temple's a place that if Stan

1081
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 2: Drayton's that guy, if he can recruit, if he resonates

1082
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 2: with people, wouldn't surprise me if he's that guy that

1083
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 2: he can sustain some success in Philly. Yeah, not this year,

1084
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 2: Not this year though, No, no, no, no, of course not.

1085
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 2: And I don't think Jowan mathis is a big time

1086
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 2: you know, answer for them at quarterback. But it's just

1087
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 2: I'm a big believer in places that you can you

1088
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 2: can be a cradle for success.

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00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: Not this year, though, this year it's tough. And look,

1090
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: it's a tough schedule too. I'm looking at the schedule

1091
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: right now. I mean it's a murderer's row from UCF

1092
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: straight through to the end of the season. Like it's

1093
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: it's not going to get easier for these guys. I

1094
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: could see another two and ten season very easily. They

1095
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: could lose to Lafayette week two.

1096
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 2: Who knows, Oh well, I mean lots of terrific programs

1097
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 2: lose games to the Leopards of Lafayette.

1098
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: Yes, of course, that's all I got. I believe that

1099
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 1: puts a bow on both the ACC and the American

1100
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: Great Uh. ACC champion is for you, ACC champion for

1101
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: me is probably I think I go Clemson.

1102
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 2: Oh man, I'm gonna I'm gonna send you some twenty

1103
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 2: twenty one tape. Okay, I'm not ready to give up

1104
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 2: on Clemson yet. If not Clemson, is it somebody within

1105
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 2: the Atlantic or is it I get who did you

1106
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 2: have winning your I'm.

1107
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 1: Big on Miami, but I don't think I don't think

1108
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 1: if it's not clem and I'd probably go in c State.

1109
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 2: It's one of those two teams to me, Okay, I

1110
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 2: have the wolfpeck yeah pun intended wolf pack of MC State. Yeah,

1111
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 2: I'm going to m C State to win the conference

1112
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 2: this year. Fewest questions to me, And you give me

1113
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 2: that combination of learry and defense and I am anything

1114
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 2: but Larry. How about that tie?

1115
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: That's that's a pro transition. What do you think about

1116
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: the American Are you on Cincinnati? On Houston Houston? Yeah,

1117
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 1: quarterback and defense? Give me Clayton, Clayton, Tune, Tank Dell

1118
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: and what I think is going to be another good

1119
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 1: Cougar defense. So yeah, I'm going in that direction. I

1120
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: think I could get behind Houston as well. I'm really

1121
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: high on UCF. Yeah, but I'm I'm higher on Houston.

1122
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: You have to be and Cincinnati. Cincinnati should be good

1123
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: again mm hmm. I think Cincinnati would better than expected

1124
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 1: despite all their losses, so I wouldn't want to count

1125
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: them out. I think it's Houston one Cincinnati two for me.

1126
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 2: Can I tell you that? My The one thing about

1127
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 2: the ACC that I'm worried about picking NC State winning

1128
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 2: the whole dam thing is do you remember who their

1129
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator is? It's Tim Beck. Oh no, And all

1130
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 2: of a sudden, I'm going to be a believer at

1131
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 2: NC State when you know there's just going to be

1132
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 2: a random How do they lose that game? Thirty five

1133
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 2: thirteen Saturday. Yeah, and that's the But who's who? By

1134
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 2: the way of like that guys on the NC State

1135
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 2: coaching staff, like Tony Gibson's done a great job with

1136
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 2: the defense, Kurt Roper's on there coaching running backs or

1137
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 2: tight ends or something. I think Ruff and McNeil is

1138
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 2: involved in the NC State program. There's a lot of

1139
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 2: that dudes aligned with NC State this year. Joker Phillips

1140
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 2: is the wide receivers coach, Like Dave Dorn did a

1141
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 2: good job because he overhauled the staff recently. I believe

1142
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 2: of like, yeah, let's get that guy in there. Eck

1143
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 2: guys that the people know him. And so there's a

1144
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 2: lot of that up and down this coaching staff at

1145
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 2: NC State. So yeah, for better or worse, I'm still

1146
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 2: going with the Wolfpack.

1147
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1174
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:18,200
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