WEBVTT - Ep. 194: Summon the Squall 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.320 This is Me eat podcast coming at you shirtless, severely 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:18.599 bug bitten in my case, underwear listening podcast. You Can't 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:22.680 Predict Anything presented by on X Hunt creators are the 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:26.479 most comprehensive digital mapping system for hunters. Download the Hunt 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:29.600 app from the iTunes or Google play store, nor where 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:35.800 you stand with on X. Okay, we'll get the introductions 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:37.240 in a minute, but I want to I guess I 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:39.440 want to ask you guys one thing first, because this 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:43.960 is the thing I always try to explain to people, Um, 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:49.600 what are the things as outfitters, as guides and you 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:57.279 guide mountain hunts? What things prevent people from realizing their dreams? 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:01.720 I'm talking about clients of the things that prevent clients 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:06.640 from realizing their dreams when they go on a guided 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:15.360 mountain hunt. Is it ger or like r Is it 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:21.120 that their boots don't fit right? You know? I I 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:23.760 think a lot of it there. We've taken a lot 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:27.520 of people really don't know how to hunt. Uh. I'll 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:30.480 be I'll say, well, let's go over here, and I 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:34.120 can hear them. They're they're talking loud there, They're they're 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:37.479 heavy with their feet on the ground. They don't sometimes 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:42.800 realize or sense the fact that that mere thudding through 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:48.200 the timber is something that animals pick up on very quickly. 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:51.880 And uh, in fact, I've I've done some experiment and 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:53.640 when I've trying been trying to make a stick or 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:59.920 a snake, I've taken sticks, and uh, with my walking, 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:02.320 I'll change up my rhythm of my walk so that 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:06.240 I'm not known as a man walk through the timber. 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:09.720 And I think it's it's been advantageous. But those are 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:13.720 things that I've observed from people that they don't know 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:16.360 how to hunt an animal, how to sneak on an animal, 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:19.320 and they just take for granted that maybe the outfit 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:21.920 is gonna just magically be able to beam one over 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:23.640 on the hill and they're gonna be able to shoot it. 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:26.639 And so there is it's a it's I think it's 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:29.320 a learned you know, I've had to tell hunters, you 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:31.600 guys have got a step more quiet, watch what you're 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:36.000 stepping on. Um, because if they if they're merely there 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:38.800 just to let you be their eyes, the whole experience 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:44.440 is really not a realize full hunting experience. I want 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:47.720 to get okay, go ahead, they land, and then we're 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:49.400 gonna do our intros. I just want to lead in 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:53.080 with the sizz Well. I was gonna say from my 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:56.799 my standpoint, one of the biggest challenges is a physical 0:02:56.840 --> 0:03:01.120 capacity of the hunter. UM. Obviously at the elevation that 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:04.480 we hunt at, UM, guys coming from two thousand foot 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:08.560 of elevation, if they're in poor shape, poor condition, they struggle. 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:11.880 Obviously we hunt with horses, but to get them from 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:14.280 the horse to where we need to get the shop made, 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:18.160 sometimes that window closes before they can get in position. 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:21.600 They're huffing and puffing and out of breath because the hike, 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:23.760 you know that fifty ye hards away from the horse 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:28.360 just blew their doors off, and they struggle to get 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:31.240 their guns steady enough to be able to make a 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:38.160 good shot. So physical fitness, physical fitness, very important. Is shooting. 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:41.840 Is shooting ability up high on the list most definitely, 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:46.520 and knowing where your gun shoots, UM, and knowing obviously 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:49.839 the range that we shoot, you know, not we don't 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:53.440 like anything much over four fifty, you know, but we 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:56.560 want guys to feel comfortable with those longer ranges. UM. 0:03:56.560 --> 0:03:58.800 And if they're coming from you know, the eastern side 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:03.280 of the state, sometimes those shots that they take aren't 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:07.520 necessarily they're not used to that long range shot and 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:10.960 so spending time behind the scope learning the timing of 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:13.680 the cross hairs, I'm getting that down is a key 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:16.960 part to being able to make a good shot. Uh. 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:20.760 My last comment before we do to our intros is, uh, 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:24.960 I'm speaking to well Landing and Stuart. Uh. My favorite 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:30.440 quote from the week was when Stewart was telling a 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:35.359 story about the second nicest bark he'd ever laid eyes on, 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:39.359 and the client took a shot and as he expressed it, 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:48.720 he said, and he didn't even spook it. Yes, hold on, 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:50.880 I'd like to find I'd like to find out since 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:54.599 you have to ask where shooting ability falls in in 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:57.960 the ranking, I'd like to know where a positive mental 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:01.159 attitude falls in in the the ranking, to you know, to 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:05.839 help someone's success, Like, is that high very important? Well, 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:10.800 there's no doubt it's important because I think and I've 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:15.040 hunted in a few other areas and uh, one of 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:18.039 the things is can be very discouraging to two people 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:22.200 are thinking we're spotting four hundred yards away across the 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:26.479 canyon or five. I don't know if I've got that 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:29.120 kind of ability, and so there's there is a mindset 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:32.200 that because a lot of our clients have been, like 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:36.520 Landing alluded to that they're shooting maybe a hundred yards 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:41.560 because that's what their terrain and and uh, you know, 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:46.600 the scrubbery and trees allow anything more than that, then 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:49.440 they don't see the animal. And so when they come 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:51.520 out here, they're kind of at awe at the fact 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:54.240 that they can see an animal for such a distance 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:58.200 and trying to close that gap mentally to think, you know, 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:02.480 there's a chance. And that's quite honestly, I believe that's 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:05.440 where some of the experience, you know, Landon's have been 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:07.360 dragging him up there since he was a four year 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:11.200 old boy. Um, I've been up there a little over 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:13.919 thirty years now, and it makes a difference when you 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:17.040 know the terrain, when you watch the behavior of animals 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:20.719 when they're under pressure, where they go, what they do, Um, 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:23.280 that's what that can That can help if if they 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:26.560 have confidence in the outfit ors from that perspective as well. 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:31.120 But the pausitive attitude, I mean, I've had guys that 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:33.960 when I got out there, they just thought this is 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:36.360 way too tough, it's way too physical. You know, I've 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:39.040 got the horse to deal with. You know, there's too 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:42.520 much Uh. How how long does it take for that 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:47.760 to creep in on someone? I think it depends on 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:50.000 a lot of the circumstances they come in contact with. 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:53.479 You know, if if they have a bad experience right 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:55.359 at the front of the hunt, you know, where a 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:59.320 horse spook him or has a tendency to intimidate them 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:03.080 because of us situation. I think we've seen guys it 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:06.640 impacts them to the point that they're nervous to get 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:08.920 on the horse. And there's been some guys that just 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:11.080 to throw the talent and said, hey, well we're done, 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:13.600 We're not hunting anymore, you know, we've got too much 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:16.520 to lose or whatever. Um and So I think there's 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:18.640 just a lot of things that can happen depending on 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:21.440 how strong they are when they come mentally, um, how 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:25.920 where their confidence level is and their ability physically um 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:28.960 and uh. And then you know that first day, what 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:32.360 they see, the excitement that's generated from the animals, and 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:35.080 there's a combination of things. I think they play into that. 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:41.880 Now let's go, well, um, I'm landing Peterson. I've been, 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:45.760 like my dad said, I've been with them going ever 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:48.400 since I was a four year old boy. UM. I 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:53.600 loved hunting from a just beginning, and I always I 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:56.880 would get left at home and I hated that. UM. 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:58.800 So when I had the opportunity at the age of 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:00.240 twelve to go on, you'll be able to go up 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:02.960 there when there weren't clients on your camp. So we 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:05.040 went up in the summertime, and that's when we would 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:08.040 do this, the fishing and stuff. But I wasn't allowed. 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:09.600 You know, I didn't get to go up when we 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:11.120 were doing a hunt because I was too small and 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:14.040 I didn't have the physical capacity to keep up. And 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:16.320 so I look forward to that, you know, when I 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:18.280 got to do that at the age of twelve. So 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:20.960 I've been up in the hills every year since I 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:22.960 was twelve years old, hunting up in that area. And 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:26.120 you're you're born in Coltville, whelming I was born actually 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:27.920 in Price, Utah and moved here when I was a 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:32.319 year old. So yep, and tell everyone the name of 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:35.640 your guys business, Crooked Sky Outfitters is the name of 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:38.480 our business. UM, and I I bought in with my 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:42.200 dad as an actual partner. UM bought an uncle out 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:45.000 who had been a partner with my dad. I bought 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:49.160 him out, uh six years ago and uh, and it 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:52.480 was I just was my dream to have an opportunity 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:55.199 to step into that role. My uncle was getting to 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:58.199 a point physically where he wasn't able to keep up, 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:00.720 and so then I was able to step in by 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:03.240 him out and become an equal partner with my dad 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:08.760 in the business. Adam Weatherby, Yeah, it was your second 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:11.720 time on the show. Yeah, kind of old news around here, 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:16.720 I guess right. Yeah, it was on back in the spring, 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:20.240 I think with Brenda, my wife, and uh, but I'm 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:22.600 Adam Weatherby. Uh this should be your job to tell 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:25.800 everybody what we've just been up to in the mountains. Yeah, 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:30.560 you can do it, or can do it so anyways, 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:35.400 Adam Weatherby weather be seventy four year old firearm's business, 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:37.440 get to run it. Took it over from my dad, 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:40.640 who took it over from my grandpa. That's what we do. 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:43.240 But I mean, what we've been up to, like what 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:47.240 we've been up to you so well, I gotta call well, 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:51.760 you're honest. We started talking back earlier this year, and 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:54.480 I knew that Johannese and Steve had a bunch of 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:59.760 points for mule deer in Wyoming, and I had moved 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:02.599 to Wyoming, move my business there. Let me back you 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:04.959 up for a second. Just sure people are tracking, okay, 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:11.680 meaning we had applied unsuccessfully for whelming eight years. Well 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:17.319 it's not quite okay, go ahead putting in for put 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:20.160 different points. There's some regions in wow I mean it's nonresidents. 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:24.920 Break it down. Break it down that some regions in 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:28.400 in Wyoming that are harder to draw than others. And 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:31.640 get a tag in and Stephen Janice here wanted to 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:34.480 go shoot a nice buck, and so they put in 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:38.520 for several years. And if you put in unsuccessfully you 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:41.560 can obtain a point, or else you can just buy 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:44.599 a point. Correct. I think I think a lot of 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:46.640 those years we probably bought the point. How much is 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:52.520 the point for the mule deer thirty for an animot 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:56.120 for you put in over three bucks over a period 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:59.679 of eight years, that's correct, And then you bought the tag, 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:02.960 puts in the perspective which probably cast another few in boxed. Actually, 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:05.679 then I want to say the tags were around a 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:11.200 few six. Yeah, that's about what a non resident ELK 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:16.400 tag is. But what about a half non Uh it 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:20.920 was four hundred fifty. I can't remember now what the 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:25.040 non resin on the deer is. So there we were, 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:29.040 so there you were. So you guys Janice and Steve 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:32.960 here had then put together this hunt that really started 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:36.000 a couple of years back talking to a family member 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:41.160 of these guys about doing this kind of dream southwestern 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:45.280 Wyoming high country mule deer hunt. Yeah you guys that 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:51.160 Uh well you know what law Stewart introduced himself. Oh yeah, yeah, 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:54.960 real quick, okay, and I'm Stewart Peterson. I have been 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:59.400 in this outfitting business with initially with my uncle. Uh 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:04.600 started back in the mid to late eighties, so right 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:07.839 at about the thirty year mark, I've been marching around 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:11.440 up there. I was raised in Cokeville as well. Um 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:15.080 raised on a ranch, a cattle ranch here, and then 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:20.200 I went to school for a bit and decided that 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:22.679 wasn't really quite what I was interested in. But I 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:24.920 I wanted to come home and ranch, and Dad and 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:27.240 mom said no, we we think you need to get 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:30.040 an idea what you want to do better than ranching. 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:34.800 So I discouraged becoming a cattle rancher. They discouraged me 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:37.880 from kind of because things worked tough, you know, we 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:41.280 it was always toun. I grew up with was six, 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:45.280 There were six siblings in the family, and we lived 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:47.680 on a little house south of town, south of Cokeville, 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:52.320 about seven miles and we uh kind of nicknamed that 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:55.440 place the little House on the Prairie. And that's where 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:59.360 we grew up with very little were there were six 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:04.640 kids in a two bedroom home. Um, so very tight 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:07.520 quarters has grown up and we just didn't seem like 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:09.160 there was that much money. And I think that's what 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:11.319 boiled down to for mom and dad and just said, hey, 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:13.560 you've got to have a better life than that. It 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:16.200 was a struggle. It was a wrestle, and so we 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:19.360 that's what we grew up with. And and uh, I 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:22.280 took a lot of shop classes in high school, would 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:24.680 working that type of stuff, and and so I was 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:28.240 pretty intrigued with that. And so I've been doing uh 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:33.840 custom home rustic furniture cabinetry for a number of years now, 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:38.079 and that's what's been my main livelihood. The outfitting has 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:41.120 been my love. That's been what I've wanted to do. 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:43.200 And and you know, of course in a while, I 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:46.480 mean the draw has always made it a difficult challenge 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:49.200 for us. We can book hunters, and we would book 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:51.600 year after year the same hunters if they could get 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:55.280 tags year after year. And so what it's uh, it's 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:58.640 you know, really been a difficult path to try to 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:02.680 hang on and make sure that we're able to feed 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:05.479 a string of horses through the winter. And and uh 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:07.720 we do do the summer pack trips and that helps 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:10.960 uh to cover some of those costs. But the reality 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:13.640 of it is is that the the outfitting business is 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:17.560 something that I've enjoyed doing, um ever since I got 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:20.240 into it. But it was something that I inspired, had 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:23.200 aspired to do because my dad was a guide and 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:26.560 I couldn't wait till when I was Back in our day, 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:29.720 we had to be fourteen to go hunt, and I 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:32.600 begged Dad to go up before that. He said, no, 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:36.640 you can't tell your fourteen. So when I was fourteen, 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:42.120 it was it was like having Christmas hit the week 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:44.280 that we could go and it was mostly elk cunning 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:47.880 at that time because the school led us out for 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:50.520 a couple of days on the weekend so we could 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:53.240 go up and and you know, four days we could 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:55.960 be up in camp and I just ate that up 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:58.680 you know, and of course I've always loved horses, and 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:03.160 he had just really seem to meet my need to 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:06.360 be up in the mountains on a good horse at 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:09.920 the risk of getting ahead of ourselves. Uh, And Adamburn 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:12.480 will come back to the whole what we're doing. But 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:17.480 if you were discouraged by your parents from being a rancher, 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:23.080 how did it feel when your son, who's sitting here, 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:30.200 Landing got into ranching. Well, I I I've I've had 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:33.320 the you know, the frank conversation about you know, it's 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:35.560 it's a good life, but it's a tough life. You know, 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:38.200 the markets are up there. You know, you never know 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:41.840 sometimes what your crops will do to you, Um, how 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:43.680 the calves are gonna come in a way out so 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:45.800 that you've got you know, what the price will be 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:48.600 for those calves. So it's it's one of those it's 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:52.520 it's you know, just about as good as maybe going 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:57.400 to Las Vegas and and uh playing a chip because 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:00.400 so he could be doing just as good he Mike 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:03.320 could just I mean, but but Landing is going about 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:06.560 it in a way that uh, you know, perhaps being 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:09.320 a little smaller unit he can do. My dad was 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:11.680 in the corporation with with two other brothers, and so 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:15.240 they grew you know, and they built quite a cowherd 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:19.600 and uh, and that was just how they did things, 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:22.680 but there was never much that came back to it. 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:25.800 Now they've been since been able to move some of 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:28.040 the land that they had acquired and had paid off 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:32.840 and and it's made their lives comfortable. For Heaven's sakes, sir, my, 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:36.040 my folks are eighty two, so it came late in 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:38.520 life for them to really enjoy some of the benefits 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:40.720 that could have been earlier. And I think that's really 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:43.600 why they steered me away. And I wouldn't say that 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:45.560 they I think they're proud of what Landing is doing, 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:49.640 as I am, um, but I think they've probably you know, 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:52.920 crossed their fingers at markets will stay good and that 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:56.920 the uh you know, hay prices won't be you know, 0:16:57.040 --> 0:17:00.440 so costly. So all of that comes into play. But 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:03.600 it's I'm I've been excited for him to be able 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:06.639 to have mostly that his home back home. We have, 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:10.439 you know, they're cute little family there on a regular 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:13.920 basis in our home and we just enjoy we enjoy 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:18.600 the family scene. So for us, maybe as much as anything. 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:20.920 I've been glad that that was one way to getting 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:24.040 back home because there's not a lot of opportunities. But 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:27.840 his entrepreneurial spirit has uh has compelled him to be 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:30.600 able to to move in the direction of trying to 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:34.080 build a cowherd. And h seems to be finding some 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:36.159 success at some of the things he's been, you know, 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:39.320 consistently researching, and so he's done. He's done a lot 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:42.680 of homework, and uh, I think it's paying off. And 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:47.080 we're excited his his mother and I are very excited 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:49.800 to have him be in the neighborhood again. Okay, adn't 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:52.440 get back to it now. So there we were, me 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:57.160 and An. He waited eight years patiently, and we finally drew. 0:17:57.440 --> 0:18:06.199 Finally drew uh unit region in southwestern Wyoming known for 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:13.359 having mature, really nice bucks. So I moved weather be 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:17.120 our gun business from California and Wyoming, and I've been 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:19.800 here a little over twelve months, which means that I 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:24.440 can gain residency in Wyoming. So then I'm different than 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:28.040 you guys. So at that point I'm special. Just go 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:30.880 where everyone whenever you want, so I could go in 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:34.080 for like forty bucks or whatever it is and just 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:36.359 say I want to go hunt with Janice and Steve 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:39.560 and then just go do it that day. And so 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:42.520 that was put kind of how this thing how I 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:45.119 hopped on board here was really jumping in with you 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:48.080 guys is something that's really been a dream of yours. Uh, 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:52.320 and I'm passionate about, you know, the high country, mule deer, 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:56.160 back country horses, everything you guys were doing. And so 0:18:56.720 --> 0:19:01.160 at the slightest little conversation, I jumped in to team 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:03.760 up with you guys and then Crooked Sky to head 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:07.280 in for a week long pack trip to some pretty 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:11.040 high elevation area with the high concentration of alchy mule 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:14.240 dere but with the whole specific purpose of rifle hunting 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:16.000 mule there. And that's what we did. It was a 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:20.720 great job. Yeah, that was good. And I learned from 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:25.320 Steve talked about talking about the story about how he 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:31.040 met up with Crooked Sky, about the relative of these guys. 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:35.399 Perry what's his last name? He wrote a letter to 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:39.960 make you guys blush. I wish I had it. I 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:41.840 wonder if I could full it up real quick. We 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:44.360 had a lot of letters, but it caught our attention. Yeah, 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:50.320 I did. Perry emailed me today see how that was? Yeah, 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:52.840 he just uh we must have been talking about it 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:55.879 on the podcast Talk Our Aspiration to draw a region 0:19:55.920 --> 0:19:58.720 g tags yeah yeah, and then he and then he 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:01.639 emailed and said, if you do just so happens that 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:04.600 my family has been running an outfit in business up 0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:08.159 there for how many years? Well, my uncle had started 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:11.919 back in the real early sixties, so I you know, 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:16.440 from about sixty on that TU was outfitting You guys 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:20.359 are coming up on sixty years with yeah, yeah, I 0:20:20.680 --> 0:20:22.800 haven't been on this planet. Well I happened just about 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:26.360 on this planet that long. So uh, but that's kind 0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:28.639 of when he started. But he was it used to 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:31.480 be S. R. Dayton Sharon read Dayton was his name 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:36.040 with outfitters. When when when he brought me in, uh 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:39.720 we obviously I was looking for a you know, opportunity 0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:41.280 to put a spin my spin on it, and we 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:42.720 I said to me, maybe we can think up a 0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:46.480 name when we became partners and it went to Magic 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:49.880 Mountain Outfitters. And then when Lanta came in, he says, dead, 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:51.479 I think would be good if we could, you know, 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:54.640 move in the direction of something where he's being involved, 0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:58.080 and that's when Crooked Skuy Outfitters evolved. And what was 0:20:58.119 --> 0:21:05.680 wrong with Magic Mountain sounds a little Spacey's in California 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:08.400 in many in many ways, when you ride a horse 0:21:08.480 --> 0:21:10.600 up there in the mountains, it's like a theme park, 0:21:10.720 --> 0:21:13.959 right because it could get pretty wild, but you know, 0:21:14.040 --> 0:21:18.119 it's there's there's something magic about the hills and and 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:22.320 uh and continues to be. But perhaps with Landing's uh 0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:25.040 you know, entrance into it, that kind of gave and 0:21:25.160 --> 0:21:28.720 up gave way for an opportunity to maybe elevate to 0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:32.040 something that was a little more updated to what people 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:36.000 might see and envision in a So where did Crooked 0:21:36.000 --> 0:21:39.160 Sky how did how did that come about? A good question? Well, 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:42.840 there's there's kind of a combination of things there. Um. 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:46.400 One is is the train that we hunt is very jagged. 0:21:46.800 --> 0:21:49.760 As you stand in the bottom, there's big elevation, you know, 0:21:49.840 --> 0:21:52.920 climbs that you look up, you know, to the horizon 0:21:52.960 --> 0:21:55.960 and you see the jaggedness of the mountains. But the 0:21:56.000 --> 0:21:58.879 other part of it that we felt like would be 0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:03.720 beneficial it's because of my dad's experience, you know, former 0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:07.680 in his life, um where he was able to play 0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:10.920 some roles in some different movies, one of those being 0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:14.800 Against the Crooked Sky UM. And so that was part 0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:17.320 of the where the name came from as well. That 0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:20.000 we thought maybe it would give us the ability for 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:24.080 people to make that connection UM and want to come 0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:26.760 and hunt with with a guy that you know that 0:22:26.920 --> 0:22:31.119 maybe they had grown up watching UM as a young man. UM. 0:22:31.520 --> 0:22:33.280 And and so that was kind of there was a 0:22:33.320 --> 0:22:37.679 couple of different reasons that we decided to go that direction. Stewart, 0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:40.359 you didn't include that in your he doesn't like talking 0:22:40.400 --> 0:22:47.160 about we had the pride out of him. We uh, 0:22:47.240 --> 0:22:50.040 you know when when we were talking about the name change, 0:22:51.080 --> 0:22:55.919 we we listed we had probably oh names of just 0:22:56.240 --> 0:23:00.240 you know, off the brainstorm and uh time that we 0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:02.280 did that we wrote down and we just let it 0:23:02.320 --> 0:23:06.280 sit and stew for a bit. And then we actually 0:23:06.440 --> 0:23:10.000 had family kind of uh say, weigh in on it. 0:23:10.760 --> 0:23:15.000 Atlanta's got to five other siblings and and we kind 0:23:15.000 --> 0:23:18.760 of talked about let them give some input. And when 0:23:18.800 --> 0:23:20.560 it boiled down to its we just thought, well, maybe 0:23:20.600 --> 0:23:25.040 this is it's the time is is okay? I'm I'm 0:23:25.080 --> 0:23:28.520 far enough past the the window went my age to 0:23:28.520 --> 0:23:35.000 to have maybe lost some of the um recognition, but 0:23:35.119 --> 0:23:37.200 yet I was, and I guess I was kind I've 0:23:37.240 --> 0:23:42.320 always been a little bit apprehensive about using the film 0:23:42.520 --> 0:23:47.959 uh status as a way to promote my success. Um. 0:23:48.000 --> 0:23:50.600 I wanted to try to do it in a way 0:23:50.640 --> 0:23:52.960 that I felt like I wasn't cheating anyway, because people, 0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:55.959 I wanted people to do it when they when they 0:23:56.359 --> 0:23:58.879 met me personally, that they would feel good about and 0:23:58.960 --> 0:24:02.600 not feel like, well, you know, this is kind of 0:24:02.600 --> 0:24:04.760 a make believe character. You know that he was in 0:24:04.800 --> 0:24:07.560 these other films, and is that how he is today 0:24:07.680 --> 0:24:10.800 or so? I guess I've always been a little apprehensive 0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:13.720 about it because I saw how people would treat me 0:24:13.800 --> 0:24:16.879 differently because if they knew who I was, and I 0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:21.240 I always had a little bit of a guard up, 0:24:22.080 --> 0:24:26.240 you know, with protecting myself that way, saying do they 0:24:26.280 --> 0:24:30.959 like me because of that or because of who I am? 0:24:31.359 --> 0:24:33.280 That was? That was probably one of the reasons that 0:24:33.320 --> 0:24:35.760 I've drugged my feet and drugged my feet about ever 0:24:35.960 --> 0:24:39.600 using the film status. Well, I think also, you're you're 0:24:40.320 --> 0:24:44.200 you're kind of you're like an inherently modest person and 0:24:44.240 --> 0:24:47.840 you're not boisterous, so it probably makes it feel it's 0:24:47.840 --> 0:24:50.359 probably awkward. There's a lot of people would never let 0:24:50.400 --> 0:24:53.680 you forget that. Well, let's you know, I'll never forget 0:24:54.800 --> 0:24:58.360 the day somebody asked for my autograph and I thought, 0:24:58.359 --> 0:25:01.280 you gotta be kidding. I mean, I'm thirteen, and I thought, 0:25:01.320 --> 0:25:03.760 what's what's a What's a piece of paper and a 0:25:03.880 --> 0:25:06.560 name written scratched on there with my name on it? 0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:10.000 What what's it really worth? It didn't have any value 0:25:10.080 --> 0:25:14.960 or I couldn't see any uh you know. I in fact, 0:25:15.040 --> 0:25:16.960 I don't know that I've to this day, I've ever 0:25:17.000 --> 0:25:19.439 asked for even the people that I worked with, I 0:25:19.480 --> 0:25:22.439 had him sign a book, but to to to go 0:25:22.520 --> 0:25:25.400 up and ask for any of them for their autograph, 0:25:25.680 --> 0:25:27.639 I just never did it. I just wasn't something that 0:25:28.240 --> 0:25:29.760 And I'm sure you guys have had to do a 0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:32.159 few of those, but for me, I was just it 0:25:32.200 --> 0:25:34.280 was an awkward I just felt awkward as could be. 0:25:35.600 --> 0:25:40.760 Um so in in uh you know, in that history 0:25:40.760 --> 0:25:44.119 early history as a young boy, um who wanted to 0:25:44.119 --> 0:25:48.320 be so normal in so many ways, and yet I 0:25:48.960 --> 0:25:51.639 was I wanted to excel in sports, and that's what 0:25:51.680 --> 0:25:55.280 I focused on in high school and and uh you know, 0:25:55.800 --> 0:25:59.280 but I but I've met the same resistance. It was 0:25:59.320 --> 0:26:03.040 almost like I was a wrestler in high school. And uh, 0:26:03.280 --> 0:26:07.399 I remember a tournament once we were at one of 0:26:07.400 --> 0:26:10.840 the other teams that was there a guy that was 0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:12.720 in my weight to send a little one of his 0:26:12.800 --> 0:26:15.680 younger buddies in the lighter weights come over to let 0:26:15.680 --> 0:26:18.639 me know that I would be counting the lights pretty 0:26:18.720 --> 0:26:22.680 quick if I was going to wrestle him. And uh, 0:26:23.080 --> 0:26:25.400 I thought to myself, you gotta be kidding me. I mean, 0:26:25.720 --> 0:26:27.440 this guy didn't even know who I was, but yet 0:26:27.680 --> 0:26:31.320 because I was a movie star, you know, he was 0:26:31.320 --> 0:26:35.520 gonna whoop me and it was gonna be some feather. Uh. 0:26:35.960 --> 0:26:38.320 And it was the same way in football I have. 0:26:38.640 --> 0:26:41.040 You know, you had to tell us the resolution of 0:26:41.080 --> 0:26:44.280 that match. Well, we met in the championship and I 0:26:44.320 --> 0:26:48.639 went and made him count lights. So it was you know, 0:26:48.920 --> 0:26:52.040 it was for me that it kind of fueled the fire. 0:26:52.359 --> 0:26:56.240 I was competitive by nature, and when I got told 0:26:56.280 --> 0:26:58.639 that that was gonna happen, I thought, well, you, you 0:26:58.800 --> 0:27:03.000 dirty bugger, I'm gonna show you something different. So, you know, 0:27:03.080 --> 0:27:05.560 it was and it was a relief because it was 0:27:05.680 --> 0:27:08.439 it was a tournament here in town. Uh. And so 0:27:08.560 --> 0:27:12.600 I thought, I can't. I can't let this happen in 0:27:12.680 --> 0:27:17.080 my hometown. So you know, those are those are things 0:27:17.119 --> 0:27:20.720 that that all evolved with the film business. I guess 0:27:20.720 --> 0:27:24.119 at this point I was ready to say okay for 0:27:24.160 --> 0:27:26.199 the sake of helping my son in this business, for 0:27:26.320 --> 0:27:28.280 if he's gonna be able to carry it on, we've 0:27:28.280 --> 0:27:30.919 got to build it and and the name is going 0:27:30.960 --> 0:27:33.359 to have to do it. But I also want to 0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:37.160 make sure and recognize that when we're involved in this thing, 0:27:37.600 --> 0:27:41.440 we have a responsibility to what happens in the outdoors 0:27:41.520 --> 0:27:44.520 up there. I have a tremendous amount of respect for it. 0:27:44.480 --> 0:27:48.280 It's a it's a very very spiritual place for me 0:27:48.359 --> 0:27:52.720 to be, uh, pondering who I am? How do I 0:27:52.760 --> 0:27:57.000 treat people? Am I am? I truly becoming a better person. 0:27:57.480 --> 0:28:01.720 And consequently our goal is is we hope that when 0:28:01.720 --> 0:28:04.679 we rubbed shoulders with good people up there, they improve 0:28:04.840 --> 0:28:07.800 us and we improved them. Yeah, you don't have any 0:28:07.800 --> 0:28:11.080 reason to be bashful about Uh. I don't think that 0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:14.800 that's you know that you got tangled up and doing 0:28:15.280 --> 0:28:20.920 movies when you were a kid. Um, because in the mountains, uh, 0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:26.159 and out running your business, you work incredibly hard and 0:28:26.200 --> 0:28:31.919 are very focused and extremely knowledgeable and very professional. And 0:28:31.960 --> 0:28:34.680 it's not I wouldn't even get I wouldn't even worry 0:28:34.680 --> 0:28:38.160 about having people be like, oh I didn't get you 0:28:38.200 --> 0:28:40.280 know what I thought I was gonna get. And it's 0:28:40.320 --> 0:28:43.440 just some Hollywood I mean, come on, that's that's all. 0:28:44.280 --> 0:28:47.160 It's just not But but it's an interesting it's an 0:28:47.200 --> 0:28:49.680 interesting talking point. It is. I mean, it happened to 0:28:49.720 --> 0:28:51.760 you when you were very young, and you deliberately walked 0:28:51.760 --> 0:28:57.520 away from it. Um, it just wasn't in my genetic 0:28:57.640 --> 0:29:02.920 makeup to want to be knowledge because of the film business. Now, 0:29:03.000 --> 0:29:05.840 if I debated knowledge, you know, in all of my 0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:08.640 accolades and in sports, that would have been fine. And 0:29:08.680 --> 0:29:12.640 it did happen, and it was much more pleasurable. But 0:29:12.680 --> 0:29:15.280 for some reason, I just was caught up in that. Uh. 0:29:15.440 --> 0:29:18.520 The thought is, I I don't want the film business 0:29:18.760 --> 0:29:22.000 to define me as being impressive in somebody's eyes. I 0:29:22.040 --> 0:29:24.400 wanted to do it on my own because I think 0:29:24.400 --> 0:29:26.239 that's what happens with a lot of these guys in 0:29:26.280 --> 0:29:29.720 the film business, is that all of the attention that 0:29:29.760 --> 0:29:32.880 they get makes them think that they have done it, 0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:37.360 you know, they've arrived, and in many cases they their 0:29:37.360 --> 0:29:44.160 lives become destroyed because they cannot they cannot accept living. 0:29:44.920 --> 0:29:47.080 You know what, I don't know. It's hard for me 0:29:47.120 --> 0:29:49.160 to explain it, but what I see is I see 0:29:49.160 --> 0:29:52.560 it too often where these people who rise to the 0:29:52.600 --> 0:29:57.880 status of of star symbol and almost to a worshipful 0:29:57.920 --> 0:30:02.040 symbol in many people's eyes, and then they can't measure up, 0:30:02.320 --> 0:30:05.480 they find themselves not measure up to And I think 0:30:05.480 --> 0:30:09.440 we see a lot of that happening. And for some reason, 0:30:09.480 --> 0:30:12.920 my my instincts were that I never wanted that to 0:30:13.000 --> 0:30:16.840 be the reason why I felt good about me. Yeah, 0:30:16.960 --> 0:30:21.800 it just it just wasn't wasn't the case. Um oh, 0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:25.280 you know what Seth introduced yourself, Seth Morris, you've been 0:30:25.320 --> 0:30:28.600 on a thousand times, a couple a couple of times. 0:30:29.960 --> 0:30:32.600 Seth is kind of replacing Janni, because yes, that's gonna 0:30:32.680 --> 0:30:35.040 be doing uh kind of like doing Yanni's job coming 0:30:35.080 --> 0:30:38.600 up here in South Dakota. That's right. Yeah, Yanni's going 0:30:38.640 --> 0:30:44.040 on a big Colorado adventure. Not the first. It'll be 0:30:44.080 --> 0:30:48.520 the second um Meteor episode that I haven't produced since 0:30:48.560 --> 0:30:51.680 I started producing him. One was I was out for 0:30:51.720 --> 0:30:54.960 a knee surgery. But this is the first time we're 0:30:54.960 --> 0:30:58.040 gonna do it deliberately. That's a good trip to Uh. 0:30:58.080 --> 0:31:00.360 Do you you seth do you you you be honest? 0:31:02.360 --> 0:31:05.200 Do you be honest? Uh? Do you est more like 0:31:05.280 --> 0:31:07.520 a like a mentor or someone you need to knock down? 0:31:11.440 --> 0:31:15.200 No mentor, for sure, You're not like I'm gonna know, 0:31:15.360 --> 0:31:17.840 I'm not trying to replace bust your other need. You're 0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:20.760 not thinking that I'm still trying to learn from Okay, good, Yeah, 0:31:20.920 --> 0:31:24.600 I'm not ready to knock him down. Okay. Um, at 0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:26.880 some point that people does have to walk away from 0:31:26.880 --> 0:31:28.960 the teacher. There is a thing that someone explained to 0:31:29.000 --> 0:31:32.760 me that happens in a mentorship situation is uh, I 0:31:32.760 --> 0:31:35.760 can't remember who. There's some philosopher someone who discussed this 0:31:35.960 --> 0:31:40.800 that in a mentor relationship, there's a part of the 0:31:40.800 --> 0:31:47.120 the mentee, part of the mentees development. Um. I think 0:31:47.120 --> 0:31:51.200 it's a necessary part of the development is to develop 0:31:51.240 --> 0:31:56.520 an animosity towards the mentor. M But I think that 0:31:56.520 --> 0:32:01.320 that has to happen for that person to to move on. 0:32:01.880 --> 0:32:06.560 So Steth give me a heads up. Well, that just 0:32:06.600 --> 0:32:09.040 makes me think. Now I'll be thinking all night we're 0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:12.640 sharing this uh room over here. I'll be thinking, when 0:32:12.960 --> 0:32:15.480 is my mentor Stephen Roella, what am I gonna gain? 0:32:15.520 --> 0:32:23.000 That animal? Just got that big old buck. They explain 0:32:23.080 --> 0:32:27.120 for folks. What explained for folks like how you're guiding 0:32:27.120 --> 0:32:29.680 business works because of the thousand ways people guide. Right, 0:32:29.680 --> 0:32:33.760 you could Lisa ranch and and you know, you could 0:32:33.760 --> 0:32:35.880 own a ranch or Lisa ranch and clients come out 0:32:35.880 --> 0:32:39.560 and they hunt the ranch. You could you know, whatever 0:32:39.600 --> 0:32:41.560 you like, you got like guys that run bear baits. 0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:44.160 And so a client comes and they hire a guide 0:32:44.200 --> 0:32:46.040 and the guide sets them out to watch a bear bait. 0:32:46.360 --> 0:32:48.520 Just kind of talk like real general terms people who 0:32:48.520 --> 0:32:53.240 aren't familiar with Western hunting or guided hunting, sort of 0:32:53.280 --> 0:32:56.720 like what is the what is the package you provide 0:32:56.920 --> 0:32:59.440 or what is the experience you provide. We're referred to 0:32:59.480 --> 0:33:04.360 as what is a full service guide guided hunt, where 0:33:04.480 --> 0:33:08.440 in which we from the time they arrived with us, 0:33:09.200 --> 0:33:12.800 we and get them into camp. We are providing the 0:33:12.880 --> 0:33:19.160 services of their meals and their horses, their attack, everything 0:33:19.160 --> 0:33:22.360 but their personal gear and their license, and we take 0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:26.120 care of that every day during that hunt. And uh 0:33:26.800 --> 0:33:30.080 which means that the hunter we try to make sure 0:33:30.120 --> 0:33:35.040 that their horses uh fit them, their saddles fit them, 0:33:35.960 --> 0:33:40.160 and uh, the saddles are you know in place. We're 0:33:40.200 --> 0:33:42.560 we're aware of those kind of things because we we 0:33:42.920 --> 0:33:46.000 we we've been around the block a little bit now 0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:49.520 we know that if saddles aren't tightened up, that's when 0:33:49.840 --> 0:33:53.760 any experience writers can can get hurt because they're not 0:33:53.880 --> 0:33:57.240 aware of when the saddle starts to slip what they 0:33:57.240 --> 0:33:59.920 need to be doing. And you're comfortable putting a totally 0:34:00.000 --> 0:34:04.360 inexperienced rider on a horse on the ones that we have, uh, 0:34:05.000 --> 0:34:07.760 we don't. We've got some that we know they're just 0:34:07.840 --> 0:34:11.520 not ready for for guys that don't know have don't 0:34:11.560 --> 0:34:15.279 have much horsemanship skill. We just we have to we 0:34:15.360 --> 0:34:19.200 have to know the horses, um, pretty intimately to the 0:34:19.280 --> 0:34:22.440 extent of knowing where they are and where they are, 0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:25.040 where they fit in the pecking order of our horses, 0:34:26.000 --> 0:34:28.600 because that makes a difference. We we need to know 0:34:28.600 --> 0:34:30.719 a little bit about the person well a lot about 0:34:30.760 --> 0:34:35.880 the personality, because quite honestly, people and horses can have 0:34:35.960 --> 0:34:39.920 personalities of clash, and we see that on a regular basis. 0:34:40.560 --> 0:34:48.640 Sets horse uh would uh physically assault the horse in 0:34:48.680 --> 0:34:51.040 front of it my horse was it was it was 0:34:51.080 --> 0:34:53.960 an ass buyer for sure. Well, and some of that 0:34:54.160 --> 0:34:57.600 because she's a mayor and uh and and sometimes the 0:34:57.640 --> 0:35:02.840 mayors have those little nippick issues that they like to 0:35:02.880 --> 0:35:05.040 get after another horse because they are a mayor. And 0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:09.719 and that doesn't say anything about womanhood. I'm just saying that. 0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:13.120 That's if you talk to anybody that knows, uh, horses, 0:35:13.560 --> 0:35:16.760 A lot of your people like to use guildings because 0:35:17.040 --> 0:35:23.040 guildings are way more even kill castrated mail. Yeah, and uh, 0:35:23.160 --> 0:35:28.279 your mayor's, especially if they're cycling, they can be kind 0:35:28.320 --> 0:35:31.600 of contentkerous and they have a hard time dealing with 0:35:31.640 --> 0:35:34.600 other horses under those conditions. And some are just have 0:35:34.760 --> 0:35:38.400 that kind of a continued personality like that, and we 0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:40.680 don't know why, but they And that's one of the 0:35:40.680 --> 0:35:42.759 things you have to understand, you know, as you get 0:35:42.800 --> 0:35:46.239 to know horse flesh a little bit, is it, they 0:35:46.280 --> 0:35:50.440 have a personality just as distinct as people do. They think, oh, 0:35:50.480 --> 0:35:53.880 a horse, four legs, they run beautifully, they you know, 0:35:53.920 --> 0:35:56.560 they're athletic and this and that. But there's a lot 0:35:56.600 --> 0:35:59.919 of personality that you have to be aware of when 0:36:00.000 --> 0:36:03.000 you're watching a horse in your string and how they 0:36:03.040 --> 0:36:08.480 perform around different people. We ask people, what's your experience? Now? 0:36:08.520 --> 0:36:12.560 If they're honest. Uh, those that are honest, we can say, well, 0:36:12.600 --> 0:36:15.600 we've got one that's gonna fit the bill. But if 0:36:15.640 --> 0:36:17.480 we have if they tell us, well, I've ridden quite 0:36:17.520 --> 0:36:18.960 a few times, and then we put them on a 0:36:18.960 --> 0:36:21.920 horse that has a little more fire under their tail, 0:36:22.600 --> 0:36:25.839 then they then they get they get kind of intimidated 0:36:25.960 --> 0:36:28.000 or thinking, I'm not as good as I thought I was. 0:36:28.120 --> 0:36:29.759 Did you know, did you realize that one of our 0:36:29.760 --> 0:36:33.400 camera guys, Mike, Uh, I feel like he hadn't hadn't 0:36:33.440 --> 0:36:35.880 he had never first time he did? He tell you 0:36:35.920 --> 0:36:38.600 that was the up front about that, about that. And 0:36:38.600 --> 0:36:43.440 then I've ridden a handful of Uh, maybe I get like, 0:36:43.520 --> 0:36:46.200 maybe I get on a horse. I probably don't get 0:36:46.239 --> 0:36:49.600 on a horse every year even right, but I've had 0:36:49.680 --> 0:36:55.799 occasion to ride here and there. Um, I would say, though, 0:36:55.800 --> 0:36:57.719 and you know better than me, I would say that 0:36:57.760 --> 0:37:05.799 the topography uh, and and the trails and lack of 0:37:05.920 --> 0:37:09.560 trails where you guys ride would have to be that 0:37:09.680 --> 0:37:13.359 like if you're gonna put like riding on a you know, 0:37:14.080 --> 0:37:16.920 like a one to ten and severity, you're like up 0:37:16.960 --> 0:37:19.920 there there, you'd agree, right, I mean, you're you're in 0:37:20.040 --> 0:37:25.080 the nine. I felt like we were ten every day. Well, 0:37:26.200 --> 0:37:30.440 Seth has a horse allergy. So Seth has a horse allergy, 0:37:30.520 --> 0:37:32.360 and his horse fell, so he was like from he 0:37:32.440 --> 0:37:36.879 was out from and I have no experience and no experience. Well, 0:37:36.880 --> 0:37:38.840 I think one of the things that we run into 0:37:39.200 --> 0:37:42.399 is each time we get with new clients, you try 0:37:42.440 --> 0:37:45.080 to associate and get a feel for what number one, 0:37:45.120 --> 0:37:48.120 what their confidence level is, number two, what their experience 0:37:48.200 --> 0:37:51.640 level is. And then also the physical makeup of the 0:37:51.680 --> 0:37:54.440 individual is another component that we look at, what you mean, 0:37:54.719 --> 0:37:57.880 as far as their size, UM, and we try to 0:37:58.360 --> 0:38:00.000 you know, kind of pair them up with a horror. 0:38:00.480 --> 0:38:02.720 We feel like we'll work with them, like my dad mentioned, 0:38:02.719 --> 0:38:05.960 personality wise, but also in their ability and their stature 0:38:06.000 --> 0:38:08.640 to be able to carry a person um because a 0:38:08.680 --> 0:38:10.920 lot of times the horses are more than capable of 0:38:10.960 --> 0:38:14.359 carrying them, you know, and following the horse in front, 0:38:14.400 --> 0:38:18.839 which is typically your guide. UM. And so we try 0:38:18.880 --> 0:38:20.960 not to put people in a situation where they feel 0:38:20.960 --> 0:38:26.640 like their life is in danger um because of their inexperience. UM. 0:38:26.719 --> 0:38:30.160 But uh, you know, obviously there's there is that confidence level. 0:38:30.280 --> 0:38:32.439 We do have certain horses that, based on the way 0:38:32.480 --> 0:38:34.719 they move and the way they travel, they just have 0:38:34.840 --> 0:38:40.920 the capacity to help settle or um, I don't know, 0:38:41.000 --> 0:38:42.799 bring a little bit of peace to the people that 0:38:42.840 --> 0:38:45.400 are riding them. I like it that Janice took you 0:38:45.440 --> 0:38:53.320 guys aside and said, the get hurt all over the 0:38:53.360 --> 0:38:59.239 slowest I got, the slowest in the world. She's a 0:38:59.360 --> 0:39:03.600 nonreact her. She she really does. She doesn't get excited 0:39:03.640 --> 0:39:06.080 about much unless she's in the lead. When I used 0:39:06.120 --> 0:39:07.920 to ride her, I wrote her for a couple of 0:39:07.960 --> 0:39:13.200 years and uh, she she was really spooky when she 0:39:13.320 --> 0:39:16.640 was the lead. Because your lead horse is your alarm. 0:39:17.040 --> 0:39:19.360 Watched and you told me that taken off and I 0:39:19.560 --> 0:39:22.520 and I thought about it watching Blues ears because Blue 0:39:22.520 --> 0:39:24.319 had an opportunity to be out front. Today you said, 0:39:24.320 --> 0:39:27.799 the lead horse will do its ears different than the 0:39:27.840 --> 0:39:32.160 horses behind. They turn them and angle them forward. That 0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:34.640 was weird to see that she she does that and that, 0:39:34.880 --> 0:39:37.400 and and they are you know, and every horse behind 0:39:37.920 --> 0:39:41.160 the lead horse is somewhat in a cat more casual, 0:39:41.239 --> 0:39:45.600 relaxed feel because they know that if there's something that's 0:39:45.600 --> 0:39:48.839 gonna bugger the front horse they're a little safer. It's 0:39:48.880 --> 0:39:50.719 kind of like that old adage about if you're being 0:39:50.800 --> 0:39:53.040 chased by a bear with your buddy, it's who's the fastest, 0:39:53.719 --> 0:39:56.480 you know it's gonna happen. And they kind of get 0:39:56.520 --> 0:40:00.160 relaxed in that second position knowing that the first one 0:40:00.280 --> 0:40:02.759 is is the one that's going to take the hip 0:40:02.880 --> 0:40:05.600 if something ever happens. Yeah, Seth was saying his horse 0:40:06.120 --> 0:40:10.560 doesn't like to be first or last. No, High Heels 0:40:10.800 --> 0:40:15.240 was when when when she would be in the back, 0:40:15.680 --> 0:40:18.200 she would constantly like her head would constantly be off 0:40:18.239 --> 0:40:22.560 to the side behind looking behind it. And that's and 0:40:22.640 --> 0:40:25.480 that's typical of of the hind horse as well. They 0:40:25.480 --> 0:40:28.160 are somewhat the watchdog on the back and so they're 0:40:28.440 --> 0:40:31.400 they're a little more antsy about what's gonna come up 0:40:31.440 --> 0:40:33.319 and bite them on the butt. Yeah, she didn't like 0:40:33.360 --> 0:40:37.319 that at all. And uh, they that's just but the 0:40:37.360 --> 0:40:39.840 horses in the middle they're kind of cool, you know. 0:40:40.040 --> 0:40:43.480 They think, well, the front, the back, they've got us covered. 0:40:45.000 --> 0:40:51.560 Old Hi Heels love the middle. Yeah, she's the middle horse. Interesting, Blondie, 0:40:51.719 --> 0:40:53.680 the horse I was riding, she didn't like to be 0:40:53.719 --> 0:40:57.919 out front too much. She liked to be the second horse. Yeah, yeah, 0:40:57.960 --> 0:41:01.680 there's uh and some of that by nature and some 0:41:01.760 --> 0:41:04.319 of us by habits. You know, you ride a horse 0:41:04.440 --> 0:41:06.239 enough in the front, they get used to liking to 0:41:06.280 --> 0:41:09.960 be in the front. Um. But then there's those and 0:41:09.960 --> 0:41:12.480 and people are the same way. You know. I I 0:41:12.560 --> 0:41:14.160 make a lot of being raised on a ranch, I 0:41:14.200 --> 0:41:17.120 make a lot of comparisons between cattle and people. And 0:41:17.160 --> 0:41:21.640 my wife doesn't always appreciate that. But that's something I 0:41:21.640 --> 0:41:24.480 observed and I thought, yeah, that's just like so and sober, 0:41:24.719 --> 0:41:27.840 that's just like that person. And that's just because you 0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:32.560 you see, they're not just something that stands out in 0:41:32.600 --> 0:41:35.839 the field and is dumb. They they have a personality, 0:41:35.840 --> 0:41:38.600 they have a mind, um, and so you you do 0:41:38.680 --> 0:41:41.960 recognize that. And those are those are really those those 0:41:41.960 --> 0:41:44.879 are important issues in the field to try to help 0:41:44.920 --> 0:41:47.560 you understand how to be safe. We when we're shopping 0:41:47.600 --> 0:41:50.800 for horses to replace uh, some of our older stock, 0:41:51.520 --> 0:41:55.080 we're pretty uh cognizant of what we see in their eye. First, 0:41:56.280 --> 0:41:58.319 because there's something in the eye of a horse when 0:41:58.360 --> 0:42:02.000 you look at him, and without them really looking at you, 0:42:02.040 --> 0:42:04.799 but just watching their behavior, you get a sense or 0:42:04.880 --> 0:42:08.200 feel are they one that trust people trust you or 0:42:08.239 --> 0:42:11.400 they always watching you. Uh. The ones that are always 0:42:11.400 --> 0:42:15.960 watching you sometimes are the ones that can really uh 0:42:16.239 --> 0:42:19.680 get messed up in a in a string. Uh. Growing up, 0:42:19.719 --> 0:42:22.600 my dad always said, you know, horse talking about the 0:42:22.600 --> 0:42:26.399 difference between horses and mules. And you know, maybe people 0:42:26.440 --> 0:42:29.759 in the mule businesses have a way different experience, but 0:42:30.080 --> 0:42:32.840 Dad said, you know, a horse will let you actually 0:42:32.920 --> 0:42:38.600 hurt him into a position of being hurt um, whereas 0:42:38.600 --> 0:42:41.279 a mule. And we had a few meals through the 0:42:41.360 --> 0:42:44.120 years and they just wouldn't they flat out if they 0:42:44.120 --> 0:42:46.160 thought they were gonna get hurt, were in a predicament 0:42:46.160 --> 0:42:47.960 that they weren't gonna let you do it. And that's 0:42:47.960 --> 0:42:50.759 why they'd say stubborn as a mule, they'd lock up. 0:42:50.920 --> 0:42:54.160 You couldn't get them to do what you thought, and 0:42:54.239 --> 0:42:56.000 you'd get get on a horse and you can make 0:42:56.040 --> 0:42:59.400 them do that. And uh. And so we see that 0:42:59.480 --> 0:43:03.560 a lot, uh with our animals. There's a trust factor. 0:43:03.719 --> 0:43:06.160 So we look at we look at their you know, 0:43:06.200 --> 0:43:10.000 not only their physical stature and their their athleticism. But 0:43:10.200 --> 0:43:13.080 Landing alluded the fact that not every horse that your 0:43:13.160 --> 0:43:15.320 ride that's really good on flat land is going to 0:43:15.400 --> 0:43:18.120 be good up in in the hills. It's it's a 0:43:18.160 --> 0:43:24.719 different style of balance and between rider and slope. Um. 0:43:24.880 --> 0:43:27.520 I had the conversation with Adam a little bit about 0:43:27.719 --> 0:43:30.239 you know sometimes why some horses feel like they slip 0:43:30.280 --> 0:43:33.080 a little bit. Well, some of that's due to the rider, 0:43:33.880 --> 0:43:37.960 because of the way the rider balances himself, you know, 0:43:38.160 --> 0:43:42.000 is he working against the horse on a side hill 0:43:42.040 --> 0:43:44.680 for instance. We've talked about that early on. I I 0:43:45.160 --> 0:43:48.240 tell my hunters all the time, don't lean into the mountain. 0:43:49.200 --> 0:43:50.840 I mean, you're just taking a folks on point and 0:43:51.040 --> 0:43:54.799 it's it's like you're almost as getting and leaning. They 0:43:54.840 --> 0:43:57.680 get they get nervous because they're on a side hill. Yeah. 0:43:57.760 --> 0:44:00.680 We walked one night after dark. We walk next to 0:44:00.719 --> 0:44:04.759 a cliff that would have been absolute death. It would 0:44:04.760 --> 0:44:07.480 be like if you went off the cliff, you die, 0:44:07.840 --> 0:44:11.279 You and the horse would die. And and uh and 0:44:11.320 --> 0:44:13.279 I sat there more like what does the horses sort 0:44:13.280 --> 0:44:16.319 of awareness of the fact that it would die if 0:44:16.360 --> 0:44:19.200 it fell off that cliff? And you could definitely feel 0:44:19.239 --> 0:44:24.200 your body wind lean like lean the horse into a 0:44:24.239 --> 0:44:26.759 safe a motorcycle. Yeah, And I remember what you were 0:44:26.760 --> 0:44:30.920 saying is like let the horse balance itself. Don't the 0:44:30.960 --> 0:44:34.560 same thing happened when when because Bandy, my horse slipped 0:44:34.600 --> 0:44:36.640 on some shale one day and slipped on some ice 0:44:36.680 --> 0:44:39.960 going up a hill. And I've ridden uh a decent 0:44:40.000 --> 0:44:43.080 amountain had horses when I was young, and yet I 0:44:43.120 --> 0:44:45.280 found myself timid going up the ice. It was pretty 0:44:45.280 --> 0:44:47.200 steep and it was pretty icy, and she was slipping. 0:44:47.760 --> 0:44:50.080 She felt me being timid, and I was kind of 0:44:50.080 --> 0:44:52.759 pulling her back, like whoa, okay, let's go one step 0:44:52.760 --> 0:44:55.240 at a time, he said. One of the horse's best friends, 0:44:55.280 --> 0:44:57.400 or momentum in that case. So I was holding her 0:44:57.400 --> 0:44:59.799 back from her natural instinct. She's like, dude, I'm gonna 0:44:59.800 --> 0:45:01.320 power or this Adam, it's no big deal. It's just 0:45:01.360 --> 0:45:05.440 a little icy slope. Let me go. I didn't. She slipped. 0:45:05.520 --> 0:45:08.000 My fault, and from the rest of the trip, when 0:45:08.000 --> 0:45:11.239 he gave me that momentum motivational speech, like we'd get 0:45:11.280 --> 0:45:14.640 to something that I'm like, that's pretty shaley, uh, pretty icy, 0:45:14.680 --> 0:45:17.040 pretty snow, and just go, you know, and just start 0:45:17.080 --> 0:45:18.680 kicking and we can just truck up this thing. And 0:45:18.719 --> 0:45:20.919 she had no problem with it. And that's a big 0:45:20.960 --> 0:45:23.239 thing I think too, is that whole trust factor at 0:45:23.320 --> 0:45:25.239 night without our head lamps on, it's that same thing 0:45:25.360 --> 0:45:27.000 right when we're on the side of the cliffs. It's like, 0:45:27.280 --> 0:45:29.360 this horse can do it. Let it do it, and 0:45:29.360 --> 0:45:32.560 don't hold it back. Explain to people a little bit 0:45:32.600 --> 0:45:38.920 like what happens on a trip where in terms of 0:45:39.080 --> 0:45:41.920 sort of to get out to your camp, like the 0:45:42.040 --> 0:45:47.800 length of ride and then and then what you arrive at. Well, 0:45:48.280 --> 0:45:51.359 basically from Cokeville, what we do is we drive two 0:45:51.360 --> 0:45:54.480 hours by truck. Um. From that point, we trail head 0:45:54.480 --> 0:45:58.720 out and and we ride from the trailhead another seven 0:45:58.760 --> 0:46:02.520 miles on horseback through a variety of up and downs 0:46:02.560 --> 0:46:06.959 and and and some some steeper country um. And so 0:46:07.440 --> 0:46:10.360 you know, it's definitely one of those things when we're hunting, 0:46:11.000 --> 0:46:14.200 you're staying on the mountain tail dark, and you're typically 0:46:14.320 --> 0:46:17.000 leaving in the dark from camp, and so you spend 0:46:17.000 --> 0:46:18.880 a lot of time and can't spend a lot of 0:46:18.920 --> 0:46:21.680 time on the horse in the dark, and and so 0:46:21.800 --> 0:46:24.120 people can get intimidated by that, wondering if their horse 0:46:24.160 --> 0:46:26.359 can actually even see, if they're going to be able 0:46:26.360 --> 0:46:29.000 to follow the trail, And so the tendency for a 0:46:29.000 --> 0:46:30.680 lot of people is to put their head light on, 0:46:30.680 --> 0:46:34.960 which it actually impedes the ability the horse to see. Um, 0:46:35.040 --> 0:46:40.480 that's a that's a I know that, that's true. That 0:46:40.520 --> 0:46:43.560 was a difficult thing for me too. That was that 0:46:43.640 --> 0:46:45.719 would do it at times, but at times I had 0:46:45.719 --> 0:46:47.640 to turn my light. Well, it was a it's a 0:46:47.680 --> 0:46:53.279 trust issue, and that's what I guess. We were in 0:46:53.360 --> 0:46:55.759 that trail so many times and times and some of 0:46:55.800 --> 0:47:00.359 those darker timber patches. It really is. It's it is 0:47:00.440 --> 0:47:03.440 no different then when you're in a roller coaster and 0:47:03.480 --> 0:47:05.719 it goes through the dark tunnel and you can't see 0:47:05.760 --> 0:47:07.759 your hand. They might not have a tree branch at 0:47:07.760 --> 0:47:11.920 I level. On the trail. There could be tree branches 0:47:11.960 --> 0:47:16.200 at I level. Like Walt Disney doesn't like hold a 0:47:16.320 --> 0:47:20.160 spruce bow like out, Yeah, as you're going through the tunnel, 0:47:20.280 --> 0:47:22.160 slap you in the face of the thing. If I 0:47:22.200 --> 0:47:25.680 had multiple people in front of me and they weren't 0:47:25.680 --> 0:47:28.319 going out, I'm like, cool man, I'll turn my light off. 0:47:28.960 --> 0:47:31.080 But when I'm out. When I happened to be in 0:47:31.160 --> 0:47:33.239 front for a little bit, I couldn't let my I 0:47:33.400 --> 0:47:36.080 I theoretically I understood I was like the horse stay 0:47:36.080 --> 0:47:38.279 on the trail, but I couldn't bring myself to do 0:47:38.320 --> 0:47:40.080 it well. So I needed to know if I was 0:47:40.080 --> 0:47:42.080 gonna get smacked in the face when I rolled out 0:47:42.120 --> 0:47:44.560 the other night, Saturday night, when I left the trail 0:47:44.840 --> 0:47:48.239 or left camp about ten thirty at night, UM, I 0:47:48.239 --> 0:47:50.719 would periodically turn my light on to look back and 0:47:50.840 --> 0:47:52.600 check the pack horse. So I was leading out to 0:47:52.600 --> 0:47:55.400 make sure the packs were square. Every time I turned 0:47:55.400 --> 0:47:58.520 my light on to look back, they would stop because 0:47:58.560 --> 0:48:02.000 they couldn't see anymore. Um. And so at that point, 0:48:02.160 --> 0:48:04.319 like I just knew that I needed to shut my 0:48:04.400 --> 0:48:07.319 light off and and just periodically check. Which there's nothing 0:48:07.320 --> 0:48:09.360 wrong with that, but it shows the fact that it 0:48:09.360 --> 0:48:13.440 does impede their ability to continue to see. Yeah, your Stewart, 0:48:13.480 --> 0:48:14.759 you kind of I don't even want to call it 0:48:14.800 --> 0:48:18.520 passive aggressive. I was out front one at one moment, 0:48:18.560 --> 0:48:20.640 I want to in front for a minute, and I 0:48:20.680 --> 0:48:23.879 had my lamp on, and uh, you said to me, 0:48:24.400 --> 0:48:27.400 isn't it amazing how they can find their way in 0:48:27.400 --> 0:48:37.319 the dark too? Me turn your head later. Uh you 0:48:37.360 --> 0:48:39.000 guys camp, so you're camp something that you have a 0:48:39.000 --> 0:48:41.960 camp in the National Force? Yep, it's all public um, 0:48:42.239 --> 0:48:45.080 and so you know really the thing that sets spart 0:48:45.200 --> 0:48:46.719 is to be able to get back in that back 0:48:46.719 --> 0:48:49.960 country and and and get away from the public because 0:48:50.000 --> 0:48:51.680 there's a lot of people that don't want to go 0:48:51.760 --> 0:48:54.480 to the effort of getting back there, um, and so 0:48:54.640 --> 0:48:56.520 we rely on the horses to do that because it's 0:48:56.520 --> 0:48:58.920 just a matter of trying, I mean another transporting gear, 0:48:58.960 --> 0:49:02.360 but transporting games. Yeah, you knock something down seven miles. 0:49:02.440 --> 0:49:04.399 Who wants to pack an elkout and have to make 0:49:04.440 --> 0:49:07.480 four trips It's not gonna be and just going down. Yeah, 0:49:07.520 --> 0:49:09.880 it's not just a downhill. You got up and down 0:49:10.400 --> 0:49:14.440 and you're climbing in elevation of probably two thousand feet 0:49:14.520 --> 0:49:19.120 at any given point. So and then you so it's 0:49:19.120 --> 0:49:23.759 on National forest, but you guys have um, you have 0:49:23.760 --> 0:49:26.640 an arrangement with the National Forest. We have a special 0:49:26.719 --> 0:49:31.160 use permit that that we have you know, the rights 0:49:31.200 --> 0:49:33.960 to for a period of time and then we can 0:49:34.000 --> 0:49:37.480 renew that. For instance, we just renewed ours this year, 0:49:38.280 --> 0:49:41.759 which will be good for another eight years um. And 0:49:41.800 --> 0:49:45.000 then they periodically you know, go over things. They want 0:49:45.000 --> 0:49:47.799 to make sure you're abiding by the rules that are 0:49:47.840 --> 0:49:50.960 set out by the Forest Service to uh be able 0:49:50.960 --> 0:49:54.000 to run a camp uh and do it right. We're 0:49:54.040 --> 0:49:56.720 governed kind of by two bodies that where we're hunting 0:49:56.719 --> 0:49:59.279 on the Forest Service ground and we have some we 0:49:59.400 --> 0:50:04.320 hunt on on some other uh government grounds. But uh 0:50:04.520 --> 0:50:07.640 speaking of the Forest Service, UM, we we fill a 0:50:07.680 --> 0:50:11.239 report out to them every year at the year's end 0:50:11.320 --> 0:50:15.000 saying what we had for clients, how many days they 0:50:15.040 --> 0:50:18.400 were on the forest and uh and we pay a 0:50:18.440 --> 0:50:21.359 fee and and uh so that's where the fee comes 0:50:21.360 --> 0:50:23.080 to place and how much you're using it. We we 0:50:23.080 --> 0:50:25.279 we pay a flat rate fee for the camp so 0:50:25.480 --> 0:50:27.799 and then and then we pay a percentage of the 0:50:27.840 --> 0:50:31.120 gross income at the end of the year. Uh. And 0:50:31.160 --> 0:50:34.520 then we're governed also certain as far as the outfitter 0:50:34.600 --> 0:50:41.600 license which I hold uh for Cricket Sky Outfitters. Um, 0:50:41.680 --> 0:50:43.799 they kind of govern us as well, making sure that 0:50:43.840 --> 0:50:46.600 we're abiding by the laws, the game and fish laws 0:50:46.640 --> 0:50:50.279 and as well as the Forest Service. Uh, you know, 0:50:50.320 --> 0:50:53.120 responsibilities that we have there. And what you have. The 0:50:53.160 --> 0:50:55.880 infrastructure you have is pretty lights. You have a small 0:50:55.960 --> 0:51:00.759 corral which is large as composed of brush and log YEP. 0:51:00.880 --> 0:51:03.480 I gathered that one time it was the site to behold. Yeah, 0:51:03.600 --> 0:51:06.120 one time, the you know, the snows get pretty deep 0:51:06.200 --> 0:51:09.360 up there and and break down your fences. That we 0:51:09.440 --> 0:51:13.400 had a bucking pull crail fence all the way around, 0:51:13.440 --> 0:51:17.879 but the snows of since dilapidated that and sometimes we've 0:51:17.960 --> 0:51:19.600 never had the time to go up because it takes 0:51:19.600 --> 0:51:22.560 a lot of energy to try to drag dead lodge 0:51:22.560 --> 0:51:24.960 pull pine from off the mountain there, you know, two 0:51:25.320 --> 0:51:27.520 ft or two hundred yards or three hundred yards up 0:51:27.960 --> 0:51:31.000 that drag it down. And uh, it's been probably twenty 0:51:31.080 --> 0:51:35.000 years since we did the crail initially like that, so 0:51:35.040 --> 0:51:37.560 it's lasts a long time, but it's as as you 0:51:37.600 --> 0:51:41.520 can see. You know, the weathers has warrant. The horses 0:51:41.640 --> 0:51:44.560 crib on it, and you see poles break after that. 0:51:44.640 --> 0:51:47.320 But you know, that's that's one of the things. And 0:51:47.640 --> 0:51:51.480 we've appreciated at least the Forest Service Department that we 0:51:51.520 --> 0:51:54.399 work without a camera. They've been good people who work 0:51:54.480 --> 0:51:59.200 with and and have been been very helpful. And um, 0:51:59.320 --> 0:52:03.040 we've been great that we've had that fortunate first of 0:52:03.040 --> 0:52:05.880 all that Uncle Sharon was able to get that camp 0:52:05.880 --> 0:52:09.799 back in the early sixties. Uh, even when he didn't 0:52:09.840 --> 0:52:12.399 use it that much back then, and it wasn' until 0:52:12.440 --> 0:52:14.040 I came in that we started to really use that 0:52:14.239 --> 0:52:16.279 upper camp because we have a we have a lower 0:52:16.440 --> 0:52:20.640 base camp and that was accessible by and still as 0:52:20.680 --> 0:52:26.160 accessible by vehicle. Um so, but I've always been in 0:52:26.200 --> 0:52:29.480 the upper camp and so I've always enjoyed the aspect 0:52:29.480 --> 0:52:31.719 of what we have there. It's a lot more work 0:52:31.760 --> 0:52:33.799 because we have to pack all our feed in by 0:52:34.000 --> 0:52:37.120 by horses. We have to you know, make sure that 0:52:37.160 --> 0:52:40.200 we've uh got that feed in because it's a long 0:52:40.280 --> 0:52:42.799 ways to go back and get feed. If you don't 0:52:42.800 --> 0:52:45.840 have quite enough m yeah, you don't. You don't graze 0:52:45.880 --> 0:52:48.120 your horses out, you don't pass your horse, don't pass 0:52:48.120 --> 0:52:50.279 it on the forest land. We don't have to bring 0:52:50.280 --> 0:52:52.799 in your food. We bring the food in and uh 0:52:53.560 --> 0:52:56.600 and so it's it's it's just it's a pretty labor 0:52:56.640 --> 0:52:59.960 intensive you know. We often say it's a labor of love. Well, 0:53:00.080 --> 0:53:02.680 we do, and it truly is because we all know 0:53:02.800 --> 0:53:04.759 that when when you really love something that you do 0:53:05.280 --> 0:53:07.320 as hard as it is and physically demands it is, 0:53:07.400 --> 0:53:11.200 it's not something you despise because it's work. Yeah, it's 0:53:11.239 --> 0:53:15.080 something that you just say, I love what Every job 0:53:15.160 --> 0:53:18.400 has its uh, I call it grunt work jobs You know, 0:53:18.480 --> 0:53:22.239 stuff that you just don't like to do, uh, but 0:53:22.360 --> 0:53:25.280 we like doing just about everything, even though it's physical, 0:53:25.360 --> 0:53:29.360 it's it's demanding them. Yeah, and you have a you 0:53:29.360 --> 0:53:31.359 have a crowd, you have a cash you guys built 0:53:31.360 --> 0:53:33.360 out a beetle kill pine where you can put some 0:53:33.400 --> 0:53:35.480 stuff over year, and then you have a tarp structure 0:53:35.480 --> 0:53:38.000 for your tag yep. Then you have a couple of 0:53:38.000 --> 0:53:40.600 tent platforms we did. We set up wall tents on 0:53:40.640 --> 0:53:43.120 those tent platforms and put woodstoves there. We used to 0:53:43.160 --> 0:53:47.759 have the wood floors with with a large pull pine 0:53:47.800 --> 0:53:50.719 frames that we can just pull our tents over, and 0:53:50.719 --> 0:53:53.480 then we'd put the tents away and then then you know, 0:53:53.560 --> 0:53:56.359 the frames would stay up, but those frames would uh 0:53:56.560 --> 0:53:59.719 would often be caved in the next spring when we'd 0:53:59.719 --> 0:54:02.799 write in and we'd have to rebuild. And so it's 0:54:02.800 --> 0:54:06.279 been probably what ten or so years ago, close to 0:54:06.360 --> 0:54:08.680 ten years eight to ten years ago that we uh 0:54:09.320 --> 0:54:11.759 I decided to see if I couldn't get approval from 0:54:11.800 --> 0:54:15.520 the Forest Service to redo the floors, you know, like 0:54:15.640 --> 0:54:18.840 they were only uh, make them structured a little a 0:54:18.880 --> 0:54:22.279 little more sound. And then because I noticed today that 0:54:22.480 --> 0:54:27.600 you guys had uh they're put on sonitudes. Well we 0:54:27.719 --> 0:54:31.400 you know, we were packed in uh cement and report 0:54:32.160 --> 0:54:36.640 uh the concrete columns. Um, we couldn't put any rebar 0:54:36.800 --> 0:54:39.120 because that was an agreement that you know, we wouldn't 0:54:39.120 --> 0:54:41.920 do put it rebar. And I was looking at those. 0:54:41.920 --> 0:54:43.880 I was looking at those I was called pilings, what 0:54:43.920 --> 0:54:47.360 do you call them? The other columns, the cement columns. 0:54:48.840 --> 0:54:52.239 So that made it possible for us to to you know, 0:54:52.480 --> 0:54:54.239 build the floor a little more stable because they do 0:54:54.280 --> 0:54:56.800 have a footing. You know, we we enlarged the footing 0:54:56.840 --> 0:55:01.520 with the son below the sontitude. Um, I'm sorry, I'm dense. 0:55:01.719 --> 0:55:03.560 What is the word you're saying? Sauna tube is a 0:55:03.680 --> 0:55:08.760 cardboard form? Sauna sa I'm picturing like a room with woods, 0:55:08.920 --> 0:55:12.080 a lot of Yeah, it's probably like calling a tissue 0:55:12.120 --> 0:55:16.200 of kleenex, right, it's it's so, it's a it's a 0:55:17.160 --> 0:55:20.759 kind of a cardboard type were familiar with has never 0:55:20.800 --> 0:55:24.000 heard that term sato tube, and and so that's what 0:55:24.040 --> 0:55:26.319 we were. They were willing to let us, uh to 0:55:26.480 --> 0:55:30.799 do that, you know, improve the look and the camp site. 0:55:31.120 --> 0:55:33.279 But then I asked him if we could if we 0:55:33.360 --> 0:55:35.680 put a metal frame in there. So I got some 0:55:35.920 --> 0:55:39.080 and they proved that, and we got you could have 0:55:39.120 --> 0:55:41.719 the whole thing down in an hour, right yep. And 0:55:41.719 --> 0:55:43.920 and so we we've got the metal can do it 0:55:44.040 --> 0:55:46.839 frames that allows us to be able to pull those 0:55:46.880 --> 0:55:49.759 tints on there. And it just makes a comfortable camp 0:55:49.840 --> 0:55:54.960 site and a bigger stainless sink, stainless stink and woodstoves. 0:55:55.160 --> 0:55:57.160 The stainless stink came in on a horse, right, five 0:55:57.680 --> 0:56:01.720 big mule, five ft stay was sink. It's it's actually 0:56:01.719 --> 0:56:06.680 eight foot long, three bays three three sink bays in it, 0:56:07.000 --> 0:56:10.239 and then a drying rack on the end. And you're saying, 0:56:10.239 --> 0:56:11.920 the mule that carried it in couldn't lift his head 0:56:11.960 --> 0:56:13.879 up all the way because he had that thing on him. 0:56:14.000 --> 0:56:16.479 It had it had that on the on the we'd 0:56:16.520 --> 0:56:19.320 raise it up on the we're packing in some cots, 0:56:19.320 --> 0:56:21.759 and we put those in some hard paniards and we 0:56:21.760 --> 0:56:24.960 were able to elevate it off the top of her head. There. 0:56:25.480 --> 0:56:27.080 She couldn't raise it up all the way. She had 0:56:27.120 --> 0:56:31.399 to walk with her head about shoulder level all the way. 0:56:32.719 --> 0:56:34.920 I remember walking the tent the first time and saw that. 0:56:34.960 --> 0:56:37.840 I was like, now, how did that get here? She 0:56:38.120 --> 0:56:41.960 she was a good old meal. That it's an old 0:56:42.200 --> 0:56:44.640 We called her Molly. She was just the fact Landing 0:56:45.000 --> 0:56:47.040 was four years old when I put her, put him 0:56:47.080 --> 0:56:49.279 on her, and she just took care of She tried 0:56:49.280 --> 0:56:53.040 to brush him off on under pine boughs. Everyone's she 0:56:53.160 --> 0:56:55.919 was a big She was used a mule last year 0:56:56.080 --> 0:56:59.399 that was ginormous. In her name was Molly. That's fine, 0:56:59.680 --> 0:57:03.640 probably her she was, she's dead. She's she was about 0:57:03.680 --> 0:57:05.879 thirty when she died, so it would be a different mule. 0:57:05.920 --> 0:57:10.000 Then she'd been around the block. We packed her out 0:57:10.040 --> 0:57:12.719 of a you know. We fact, if we had real 0:57:12.760 --> 0:57:16.280 steep terrain to pack an elk out or a mule deer, 0:57:16.480 --> 0:57:20.320 we usually took her. Is it true that people tell 0:57:20.360 --> 0:57:22.880 me this all the time. Is it true that a 0:57:22.960 --> 0:57:28.600 horse or a mule will deliberately go under a sweeper 0:57:29.040 --> 0:57:31.480 to try to dislodge the rider or is it just 0:57:31.520 --> 0:57:33.720 that it knows it can fit and it doesn't think 0:57:33.760 --> 0:57:36.240 about whether or not there's a rider who's gonna get dislodged. 0:57:36.280 --> 0:57:40.000 I think there's a little both. Uh. I watched Landing 0:57:40.240 --> 0:57:43.600 with Molly, and she deliberately would walk close to trees. 0:57:43.640 --> 0:57:48.080 The trail wasn't under the tree. She would deliberately walk 0:57:48.200 --> 0:57:49.920 under it, and he just kind of laid back and 0:57:49.920 --> 0:57:52.880 then he popped up like one of those little blow 0:57:52.960 --> 0:57:55.680 up things that he had come right back up in 0:57:55.680 --> 0:57:57.919 the saddle there like you know, that was no big deal. 0:57:58.720 --> 0:58:00.920 He just ride around some more. But I watched her 0:58:00.960 --> 0:58:04.040 and it was very deliberate. Um, And I've seen it 0:58:04.080 --> 0:58:07.400 with other horses. I've I've ridden horses that too, seemed 0:58:07.440 --> 0:58:09.400 to be a little more deliberate in their approach to 0:58:09.640 --> 0:58:11.680 Rather than going around the tree, even when the trail 0:58:11.800 --> 0:58:17.360 was taking you around, they shortcut it. And uh so 0:58:17.400 --> 0:58:19.240 they're they're a little smart in which you think. I've 0:58:19.280 --> 0:58:22.720 seen some funny things. I saw a hunter. Uh we'd 0:58:22.960 --> 0:58:24.880 seen some milk and we were galloping up the hill 0:58:24.880 --> 0:58:27.560 because I'd kicked my horse and into a gallop and 0:58:27.600 --> 0:58:29.480 we were It wasn't steep hill, but it was enough. 0:58:29.600 --> 0:58:32.560 We had some momentum going. And he was the last 0:58:32.600 --> 0:58:35.680 guy and he wasn't hadn't had no control that horse, 0:58:36.320 --> 0:58:38.440 and she took him under a great big dug fur 0:58:38.800 --> 0:58:41.440 that had There was a pine bough that would have 0:58:41.480 --> 0:58:47.280 been probably about all three inches across hanging out from 0:58:47.280 --> 0:58:50.920 the tree at least twelve to fourteen feet, and it 0:58:51.000 --> 0:58:53.680 was low enough at saddle horn heights when she went 0:58:53.760 --> 0:58:57.560 underneath that, and that started in the flecks of that 0:58:57.640 --> 0:59:00.240 finally could only go so far. It just cat have 0:59:00.240 --> 0:59:02.560 pulled him off the back door. It was it was 0:59:02.600 --> 0:59:06.280 a cartoon to behold because it just it blew him 0:59:06.360 --> 0:59:08.480 right off the back of the horse. All the other 0:59:08.480 --> 0:59:10.960 guys were laughing at him. He wasn't too too excited 0:59:11.000 --> 0:59:15.080 about that, but they will, I mean they in that case. 0:59:15.120 --> 0:59:16.920 I don't think the horse was thinking how to get 0:59:16.960 --> 0:59:19.520 the rider off. I'm I'm just trying to catch up 0:59:19.520 --> 0:59:21.760 with the rest of the group, and he didn't. He 0:59:21.800 --> 0:59:24.760 wasn't right directly behind, and that guy didn't control the horse, 0:59:25.480 --> 0:59:29.040 so he ended up in a fine bow you know, 0:59:29.640 --> 0:59:34.560 catapult reason. But once we set out to start hunting, 0:59:36.120 --> 0:59:38.360 I feel like you probably did do this. I felt 0:59:38.400 --> 0:59:42.600 like you kind of wanted to work close first, and 0:59:42.640 --> 0:59:45.080 then as the days go on, you kind of gradually 0:59:45.680 --> 0:59:49.400 start doing bigger forays out and uh well, and where 0:59:49.400 --> 0:59:51.560 our camp is situated, I think we have some of 0:59:51.560 --> 0:59:54.760 the prime hunting just within a very short ride. I 0:59:54.760 --> 0:59:58.360 mean you're talking right above camp. You're here in our bugle. 0:59:58.440 --> 1:00:01.760 You're seeing deer within the ten minute ride of being 1:00:01.760 --> 1:00:05.680 outside of camp and we've even spotted deer from Camp Um. 1:00:05.760 --> 1:00:07.959 And so that's one of the great things of where 1:00:07.960 --> 1:00:11.320 we're located is that you have that nucleus, if you 1:00:11.400 --> 1:00:14.320 like Um, where you can just branch out and then 1:00:14.320 --> 1:00:17.120 we know there's other country out there that we can 1:00:17.160 --> 1:00:19.360 go out and and if we needed to, like we 1:00:19.400 --> 1:00:21.840 did this trip to try and see if we couldn't 1:00:21.880 --> 1:00:24.120 find I mean, we saw plenty of bucks. We just 1:00:24.200 --> 1:00:25.760 needed to see what else was out there and if 1:00:25.760 --> 1:00:28.400 we could find you know, that one big buck that 1:00:28.480 --> 1:00:30.360 was hanging out that was just maybe on the perimeter. 1:00:30.520 --> 1:00:34.200 But that's the definitely the benefit of where we're at. 1:00:34.680 --> 1:00:40.040 That first day out one Adam and I rode off 1:00:40.120 --> 1:00:44.320 with Stewart, I mean we must I think we saw 1:00:44.440 --> 1:00:47.280 fourteen bucks or something like that. Fourteen bucks I think 1:00:47.440 --> 1:00:50.280 was at the day thirty forty elk and two bears. 1:00:50.840 --> 1:00:53.640 It was understood. I was undisturbed, like it was undisturbed. 1:00:53.640 --> 1:00:56.360 It was the opening day, yeah, And we didn't go 1:00:56.400 --> 1:00:59.320 far and it was just dear, dear, dear, dear, dear, dear, dear, 1:01:00.280 --> 1:01:02.040 and in the middle of it getting distracted by out 1:01:02.080 --> 1:01:04.040 bugling and all the other cool things out there, and 1:01:04.120 --> 1:01:06.440 Jason after a bear. Oh man, Yeah, we saw a 1:01:06.480 --> 1:01:09.000 bear and decided to go run it down on the 1:01:09.040 --> 1:01:12.440 side of a you know, pretty rocky hill and go 1:01:12.520 --> 1:01:15.120 after it. But yeah, I mean that was all well. 1:01:15.280 --> 1:01:17.360 We went a pretty good distance even that first day though, 1:01:17.600 --> 1:01:20.360 didn't We mean we went this fonsy that made dear 1:01:20.440 --> 1:01:24.480 though it was well. And the other thing, um that 1:01:24.520 --> 1:01:27.880 we we we feel like, I mean, they sense your 1:01:27.920 --> 1:01:32.040 presence and uh, we don't like to just you know, 1:01:32.160 --> 1:01:35.480 keep it so tight that perhaps it makes it that 1:01:35.600 --> 1:01:39.000 much more difficult, but it also gives the hunter another 1:01:39.040 --> 1:01:43.600 perspective because you can see, uh, maybe from where you 1:01:43.600 --> 1:01:47.680 went the day before country back looking back on some 1:01:47.720 --> 1:01:50.040 of the country, you were a little better angle in 1:01:50.080 --> 1:01:52.880 which you experienced because of the fact that we had 1:01:52.880 --> 1:01:55.320 been there a couple different times looking off in that 1:01:55.440 --> 1:01:58.600 same spot, but because of our perspective, we could not 1:01:58.720 --> 1:02:01.600 see everything it was below us. You know what's funny 1:02:01.600 --> 1:02:06.919 about that spot is the first time we went there. Um, 1:02:07.040 --> 1:02:09.120 you were talking about how bucks like to lay on 1:02:09.160 --> 1:02:12.439 this cliff face. It's not a cliff face, but very 1:02:12.480 --> 1:02:15.560 crazy full of avalanche shoots and fingers and fingers of 1:02:15.640 --> 1:02:20.760 timber and rocky, and you're like, they like to lay here. Um, 1:02:20.840 --> 1:02:25.240 And you started creeping along peering over the edge, and 1:02:25.480 --> 1:02:28.400 Adam said to me, I I do gather they'd like 1:02:28.480 --> 1:02:35.040 to lay here based off Stuart's like very intense focused 1:02:35.040 --> 1:02:39.040 down the hill. You know, you're expecting to find one 1:02:40.240 --> 1:02:42.200 that's where you shot your Yeah, but that's all I 1:02:42.240 --> 1:02:47.960 was gonna talk about. We twice crept along, twice crept 1:02:48.000 --> 1:02:51.880 along that glass and down those avalanche shoots and seeing 1:02:52.200 --> 1:02:58.880 deer laying here and there on it, and possibly twice 1:02:59.160 --> 1:03:03.080 because he was a little bit farther down, possibly maybe 1:03:03.080 --> 1:03:07.600 twice walked past the buck that I got. But then 1:03:07.640 --> 1:03:09.840 it wasn't til it wasn't ntil. We then went around 1:03:10.080 --> 1:03:13.600 peer back onto that hillside, and then it wasn't even 1:03:13.640 --> 1:03:15.440 like we said. I I sat down with landing to 1:03:15.480 --> 1:03:19.360 start glass in the hillside between snow squalls, and I 1:03:19.400 --> 1:03:22.120 didn't even have my tripods set up, and He's like, 1:03:23.000 --> 1:03:24.840 you know, there's a buck like and I was like, man, 1:03:25.600 --> 1:03:28.080 one of our camera guys lost the sunglasses about fifty 1:03:28.160 --> 1:03:32.040 yards in that buck, you know. Uh. But looking back 1:03:32.080 --> 1:03:34.080 on it was interesting because there he was. And that's 1:03:34.120 --> 1:03:36.840 and that's what's kind of fun about it. It's difficult 1:03:37.040 --> 1:03:40.800 country from the uh perspective of not being able to 1:03:40.840 --> 1:03:47.040 see it in a in a clear, concise, imaginary way 1:03:47.080 --> 1:03:49.320 of saying, this is how I would imagine it would 1:03:49.320 --> 1:03:52.080 have played out. And then you get on, you know, 1:03:52.160 --> 1:03:54.680 you go around on the other side, looking back, and 1:03:54.720 --> 1:03:57.120 you can see where timber, the lay of the land, 1:03:57.200 --> 1:03:59.400 and how the timber and the shadows fall on it. 1:03:59.560 --> 1:04:02.240 You say, now, I can see why we didn't see 1:04:02.360 --> 1:04:06.120 as many or see that buck there because he was 1:04:06.200 --> 1:04:09.200 able to hide in such a fashion that we couldn't 1:04:09.200 --> 1:04:12.760 see him from above. He could only be seen from 1:04:12.960 --> 1:04:15.400 the angle down below or on another I don't want 1:04:15.400 --> 1:04:18.160 to give away too many of you guys trade secrets, 1:04:18.240 --> 1:04:23.000 but in the daytime and the warm part of the 1:04:23.040 --> 1:04:25.760 day or in the midday, you guys like to be 1:04:26.000 --> 1:04:31.600 up looking down a face knowing that it's so steep 1:04:31.680 --> 1:04:35.000 that the deer gonna bed Basically they're bedding up against trees. 1:04:35.840 --> 1:04:38.280 They dig out little beds, and they're on the top side, 1:04:38.320 --> 1:04:40.880 on the top side, and you're not gonna see him 1:04:40.880 --> 1:04:44.320 from across. But then in the mornings or evenings you 1:04:44.320 --> 1:04:47.040 can go around and peer back onto the hillside when 1:04:47.080 --> 1:04:49.440 they might be on their feet. But in the daytime 1:04:49.480 --> 1:04:51.960 you'd like to be a bedding time, you'd like to 1:04:51.960 --> 1:04:54.880 be peering straight down. And what that men in this 1:04:55.040 --> 1:04:59.040 terrain was often several miles and several thousand feet of elevation. 1:04:59.120 --> 1:05:01.240 You don't running over there. It's not like let's go 1:05:01.280 --> 1:05:05.280 to the bottom now, like you know yesterday or whenever 1:05:05.320 --> 1:05:08.200 that was day before. I guess went with your honest book. 1:05:08.240 --> 1:05:10.240 I mean, it was three miles around to get to 1:05:10.280 --> 1:05:12.840 where we could see, you know, from that other angle. 1:05:12.960 --> 1:05:15.120 So with the terrain, it means a lot of moving. 1:05:15.840 --> 1:05:17.840 But it's either that or nap mid day, which I 1:05:17.840 --> 1:05:22.040 know you do like Steve, I like it under certain conditions, um, 1:05:22.120 --> 1:05:24.760 when you can't be productive during that noon now and 1:05:24.760 --> 1:05:29.280 when it's very nice and warm. I took one like 1:05:29.320 --> 1:05:31.520 this this week. I took one ten minute. Now that's 1:05:31.520 --> 1:05:34.080 all I got, one ten minute. You're honest, how many 1:05:34.160 --> 1:05:38.400 do you have? At least three good ones? Like one 1:05:38.440 --> 1:05:41.560 period of time? Oh good enough for me? It is 1:05:41.600 --> 1:05:44.760 like ninety minutes plus the very first day we were out, 1:05:44.840 --> 1:05:50.959 we're probably pushing two and a half just laid low, 1:05:52.560 --> 1:05:54.840 got hot, you know, and it kind of you know, 1:05:55.000 --> 1:05:57.600 the action died down, and but we did end up 1:05:57.600 --> 1:06:00.680 seeing a lot of bedded bucks this weeked Man finding 1:06:00.760 --> 1:06:04.560 bedded bucks. That's especially exciting it is. We one time 1:06:05.320 --> 1:06:07.400 had a did a did an episode of our show 1:06:07.480 --> 1:06:11.360 where I crept, crawled up on and shot a bedded 1:06:11.400 --> 1:06:15.160 antelope and got a handful of emails people all riled 1:06:15.240 --> 1:06:18.080 up about that it's non sports been like, I'm like, 1:06:18.440 --> 1:06:22.240 you go creep up on a bedded down antilope, Come 1:06:22.280 --> 1:06:25.120 tell me it's not sports been like, it's not easy 1:06:25.160 --> 1:06:27.160 to creep up on him. Well, yeah, and there's that 1:06:27.280 --> 1:06:31.200 argument too of like yeah, like it's somehow better to 1:06:31.640 --> 1:06:35.200 shoot one it's staring at you. Well, and that's and 1:06:35.280 --> 1:06:38.600 that's exactly and that's why, you know, like, uh, the 1:06:38.680 --> 1:06:42.160 day that Adam shot his buck, we had decided to 1:06:42.240 --> 1:06:44.520 let and I call it to get off and do 1:06:44.560 --> 1:06:49.000 an Indian hunt because I respect their their method of 1:06:49.400 --> 1:06:52.280 how they had to hunt in the early day. They 1:06:52.280 --> 1:06:56.560 had to they had to sneak up on things they 1:06:56.600 --> 1:07:00.280 didn't have. The didn't have the high powered rifles or 1:07:00.400 --> 1:07:03.880 or the good binoculars to to really help their cause, 1:07:03.920 --> 1:07:08.880 and so everything was very stealth driven. And I like 1:07:09.080 --> 1:07:11.680 that style of hunt where you go into a patch 1:07:11.680 --> 1:07:15.080 of timber that you know is a place where they 1:07:15.120 --> 1:07:19.720 bed down on a regular basis, and you're you're matched 1:07:20.400 --> 1:07:23.720 with their sense, their keen sense of smell and hearing 1:07:24.600 --> 1:07:27.400 um and whatever the other sense that they have that 1:07:27.520 --> 1:07:30.600 seems to if they sense danger, they're out of there. 1:07:30.760 --> 1:07:32.480 And will you try will you try to pull off? 1:07:32.640 --> 1:07:35.040 I just I just call it a still hunt. Will 1:07:35.080 --> 1:07:39.160 you try to pull that off with a client into Yeah, yeah, 1:07:39.200 --> 1:07:41.479 I've done that. In fact, I'll put them in front 1:07:41.520 --> 1:07:44.480 of me and I'll just say, then you'll say, hey, 1:07:44.520 --> 1:07:46.919 back up, because you missed the deer. I'll just say 1:07:47.760 --> 1:07:50.920 I'll say, we're gonna walk just a couple of steps quietly, 1:07:51.040 --> 1:07:55.320 and we're gonna glass, and we're gonna glass, and then 1:07:55.320 --> 1:07:56.720 we'll make a few more. So it takes you a 1:07:56.720 --> 1:07:58.920 long time to get through a patch of timber, but 1:07:59.360 --> 1:08:01.840 you know, I've not through the ears and depending on 1:08:01.880 --> 1:08:06.160 the terrain. Um. I've always been amazed at how an 1:08:06.160 --> 1:08:10.439 animal will see you coming and and are blowing out 1:08:10.480 --> 1:08:14.600 the timber when you're thinking, God, I didn't even see them. Well, 1:08:15.320 --> 1:08:19.280 that's because their eyeballs are usually down, you know, maybe 1:08:19.360 --> 1:08:22.519 knee heights because they're bedded down, and that's where a 1:08:22.520 --> 1:08:24.640 lot of your your brush sometimes and at least in 1:08:24.680 --> 1:08:28.400 our terrain is less, so they see your leg movement 1:08:29.120 --> 1:08:32.680 and you can't see them. Yeah, So it's it's you know, 1:08:32.840 --> 1:08:35.240 it's absolutely critical if you're gonna go in there, your 1:08:35.280 --> 1:08:37.160 heads up in the fur needles and stuff, and they're 1:08:37.200 --> 1:08:39.920 looking and they're seeing low so they see that movement 1:08:39.960 --> 1:08:41.960 and that's something that is a set off to them, 1:08:41.960 --> 1:08:45.439 even though there may be no scent, it's something different 1:08:46.280 --> 1:08:49.640 and it alarms them. And so you I I like 1:08:49.800 --> 1:08:52.880 the challenge because when you go through like that, Uh, 1:08:53.000 --> 1:08:55.240 if you're gonna just march prayed through a patch of 1:08:55.280 --> 1:08:58.799 timber and think you're gonna get a buck, the buck's 1:08:58.800 --> 1:09:02.280 really got to be tired and sleep be. It occurred 1:09:02.320 --> 1:09:05.200 to me just while we're having this conversation that of 1:09:05.280 --> 1:09:09.840 the three deer we got, um we got to be 1:09:09.880 --> 1:09:13.760 using three very different methods. We got one sort of 1:09:13.800 --> 1:09:16.760 like the one I got was like very like very 1:09:16.880 --> 1:09:21.920 textbook spot and stock like spotted from way off. While 1:09:21.960 --> 1:09:25.200 we're like sitting there and intentionally glass in a distant hillside, 1:09:26.080 --> 1:09:29.360 crept up on it and you know, sniped it from 1:09:29.640 --> 1:09:35.040 ways off, and then Adam got one still hunting, creeping 1:09:35.080 --> 1:09:37.080 through the timber, and then ye only got one of 1:09:37.120 --> 1:09:42.120 the classic almost like deer drive, not almost classic classic. 1:09:42.880 --> 1:09:45.000 Well I don't always say almost because like more deer 1:09:45.040 --> 1:09:49.840 drives don't happen on anybody can say classic unless you 1:09:49.880 --> 1:09:54.000 were the one driving with Stewart. Do you want me 1:09:54.040 --> 1:09:58.280 to unpack mine? And then we silly story. We just 1:09:58.680 --> 1:10:02.439 you know, you and I Steve were he came around 1:10:02.479 --> 1:10:03.760 on this hill where we knew there was a bunch 1:10:03.800 --> 1:10:06.880 of timber and you were going down. What were you told? 1:10:06.880 --> 1:10:10.880 Maybe three yards below me? Can of stop from the 1:10:11.040 --> 1:10:13.360 I'm then I'm gonna let you just go. Have you 1:10:13.400 --> 1:10:16.760 heard the term still hunt me? No? I have, I have, 1:10:17.560 --> 1:10:20.559 but I guess you know through the years, I'm not 1:10:20.720 --> 1:10:23.000 I'm not taking offense. I'm not taking offense that that 1:10:23.760 --> 1:10:27.120 saying it like an Indian hunt. But I mean in 1:10:27.160 --> 1:10:29.519 the East he called a still hunt, and it means 1:10:29.520 --> 1:10:31.240 like going. I remember my dad writing a letter to 1:10:31.240 --> 1:10:33.800 the editor because the guy wrote an article. He had 1:10:33.840 --> 1:10:35.840 the letter. The letter to the editor was published and 1:10:35.840 --> 1:10:38.360 he kept in his office where a guy wrote an 1:10:38.439 --> 1:10:42.560 article describing his still hunting strategy, and my dad calculated 1:10:42.600 --> 1:10:43.880 it by the end of the day he would be 1:10:43.880 --> 1:10:50.200 fifty yards from his truck because his description that he 1:10:50.240 --> 1:10:52.560 takes a step and waits five minutes or whatever. My 1:10:52.640 --> 1:10:55.520 dad got to thinking, well, he wouldn't make it anywhere. 1:10:58.320 --> 1:11:00.519 But so you have heard the term I have heard, 1:11:01.080 --> 1:11:04.320 murse I was misleading because you're not being still like 1:11:04.479 --> 1:11:06.320 you think, like, how is sitting in a tree stand 1:11:06.720 --> 1:11:10.439 not still hunting? You're still, no one's going anywhere. But 1:11:10.520 --> 1:11:14.080 it means to still hunt means to not be still well, 1:11:14.280 --> 1:11:16.760 and then be still and then not be still. Yeah, 1:11:16.960 --> 1:11:19.760 I think the way I've always twisted it to make 1:11:20.000 --> 1:11:23.080 make it make that term makes sense to make head. Yeah, 1:11:23.080 --> 1:11:26.040 that's a good way of putting it is that you 1:11:26.160 --> 1:11:29.679 move in such a way that if something looks at you, 1:11:30.120 --> 1:11:33.320 it would perceive you as being still. That's what you 1:11:33.360 --> 1:11:36.760 had to do to make that makes sense. That's fine, Okay, 1:11:36.800 --> 1:11:39.680 go ahead, Adam. Sorry, that's why I wanted to get 1:11:39.720 --> 1:11:41.519 I wanted to get into I wanted to get into 1:11:41.520 --> 1:11:46.559 the Norman clature a little bit. So yeah, so we 1:11:46.560 --> 1:11:48.880 we headed into this patch of timber knowing a few 1:11:48.880 --> 1:11:52.080 different things. Number One, if we were to spook a buck, 1:11:52.520 --> 1:11:56.080 you gotta be ready, like really quick. Sometimes what that 1:11:56.120 --> 1:11:59.519 means is you've gotta be ready with your rifle really quick. 1:11:59.640 --> 1:12:02.040 So whether it's slung on your shoulder holding in your hand. 1:12:02.160 --> 1:12:04.760 Number Two, you may not have a lot of time 1:12:04.800 --> 1:12:07.760 to judge its size, and that makes it a little 1:12:07.800 --> 1:12:10.880 bit more challenging as well. But it also brings about 1:12:10.880 --> 1:12:12.640 a different sort of adrenaline. You know, when you just 1:12:12.680 --> 1:12:14.479 boom it it's right there, and what am I gonna 1:12:14.520 --> 1:12:17.040 do in that moment? Yeah, you feel all of a sudden, 1:12:17.040 --> 1:12:20.479 you feel very present. Yes. And and it also even 1:12:20.560 --> 1:12:22.840 right when you hop in the brush the timber at 1:12:22.880 --> 1:12:26.280 that moment, even though you have no clue if there's 1:12:26.280 --> 1:12:28.360 a deer in there or where the deer is, you 1:12:28.439 --> 1:12:32.479 feel like you're stocking something. And you have that they're like, okay, 1:12:32.600 --> 1:12:34.200 lets me real quiet. You know, you just even to 1:12:34.240 --> 1:12:36.640 yourself and I'm gonna go because there's probably one right here, 1:12:36.640 --> 1:12:38.599 and there's probably what So it it's kind of exciting, 1:12:38.640 --> 1:12:42.000 you know, I mean, you can't nap while steel, honey. Yeah. 1:12:42.040 --> 1:12:46.559 And then also Stewart was pretty precise. He's like, you 1:12:46.680 --> 1:12:49.640 go that far, you go that far, we'll meet you 1:12:49.680 --> 1:13:00.600 over here. Is this getting into zones? No, No, it 1:13:00.720 --> 1:13:02.840 was I was gonna be at the top, Steve, you 1:13:02.880 --> 1:13:05.479 were going to be at the bottom, nearer, nearer to 1:13:05.520 --> 1:13:09.160 where there was kind of an open bench. And so 1:13:09.160 --> 1:13:11.040 so I went in towards the top and there's all 1:13:11.040 --> 1:13:13.920 sorts of sign in there, both elk and deer, um 1:13:14.000 --> 1:13:16.479 and bear. Actually it's the same area that we've seen 1:13:16.600 --> 1:13:21.439 the black bear two days before, snow fresh and it 1:13:21.520 --> 1:13:24.160 had snowed that morning. Is when it snowed. I believe 1:13:24.840 --> 1:13:26.880 this is day three of our hunt. So we've gone 1:13:26.920 --> 1:13:30.560 day one, day two. We'd seen a lot of bucks 1:13:30.600 --> 1:13:33.679 every day. Uh, they'd all been small, nothing, I don't believe, 1:13:33.680 --> 1:13:35.479 whider in their ears on those first couple of days. 1:13:36.040 --> 1:13:39.320 And so we kind of I punched in there, and yeah, 1:13:39.360 --> 1:13:42.240 saw the bear heading the same direction that I was heading. 1:13:42.520 --> 1:13:44.080 With what would have been in the last five to 1:13:44.160 --> 1:13:45.960 six hours a bear had been through there in that 1:13:46.040 --> 1:13:49.040 same direction, came through a whole lot of elk signed, 1:13:49.040 --> 1:13:51.959 a whole lot of deer sign a lot of beds, Uh, 1:13:52.120 --> 1:13:54.680 beds were everywhere in there. I mean the smell was there. 1:13:54.720 --> 1:13:56.360 So all your senses, I mean it's fine, you know, 1:13:56.439 --> 1:13:59.000 I mean all your senses, you're seeing tracks, you're doing 1:13:59.040 --> 1:14:02.760 all these things, and uh, it's so, you know, it 1:14:02.840 --> 1:14:06.280 was awesome. So we get to the middle of probably 1:14:06.280 --> 1:14:09.000 this section and i'd put, you know, on ax where 1:14:09.000 --> 1:14:10.280 Stewart was going to be at the end, you know, 1:14:10.280 --> 1:14:11.960 a little put a little way point where we're gonna 1:14:12.040 --> 1:14:15.080 meet up, and so really kind of sidehiling, and all 1:14:15.080 --> 1:14:17.320 of a sudden, stepped in this open area in the 1:14:17.360 --> 1:14:20.160 middle of this timber where there's probably fifty yards of clearing, 1:14:20.800 --> 1:14:25.040 and there was a buck standing there and probably stood 1:14:25.040 --> 1:14:27.400 there for a second or two and then trot it 1:14:27.439 --> 1:14:30.439 off a period of three to four total seconds. Not 1:14:30.560 --> 1:14:32.360 enough to get my glass up, not it wasn't that 1:14:32.400 --> 1:14:34.760 far though, at the same time, not enough to get 1:14:34.760 --> 1:14:36.760 my rifle scope up. You know. It was just like 1:14:36.800 --> 1:14:39.280 there's a deer that you know, you're just kind of 1:14:39.720 --> 1:14:41.680 taking off guarden. He didn't stand there for a long 1:14:41.720 --> 1:14:44.599 time like sometimes they might do, and I was surprised, 1:14:44.640 --> 1:14:46.080 to be honest, that we were able to sneak up 1:14:46.080 --> 1:14:47.960 on him like we did. He was on the other 1:14:48.240 --> 1:14:51.600 edge of this kind of little open measure him he 1:14:51.600 --> 1:14:56.040 had probably stood up. Yes, yeah, definitely there, because when 1:14:56.080 --> 1:14:58.200 we walked over there a couple of minutes later is 1:14:58.200 --> 1:15:03.000 a bed right there. So I decided. I decided, I'm like, 1:15:03.280 --> 1:15:06.439 usually if you bump a deer in that case, the 1:15:06.520 --> 1:15:09.479 deer's gone and okay, let's keep going through. And then 1:15:09.479 --> 1:15:10.960 I'm like, oh, now, we probably just went through and 1:15:10.960 --> 1:15:13.120 bumped the whole stinking, you know side of the hill 1:15:13.439 --> 1:15:16.519 and everything's gonna be gone. Yeah, you don't generally decided 1:15:16.560 --> 1:15:21.080 to go and check out where it went, but I did. Well. 1:15:21.160 --> 1:15:23.479 I I just said, I wonder if I knew in 1:15:23.520 --> 1:15:26.120 that case, in the midst of timber, there's no way 1:15:26.160 --> 1:15:28.120 on earth you'd ever in a million years gonna be 1:15:28.160 --> 1:15:29.880 able to catch up buck right, I mean one in 1:15:29.880 --> 1:15:32.719 a million. But I said, if there's an open clearing, 1:15:33.200 --> 1:15:35.240 we could kind of I could kind of truck through 1:15:35.240 --> 1:15:38.880 this timber and maybe see it going up clearing it stops. 1:15:38.880 --> 1:15:40.640 Broad said for a second, looks back at you, right, 1:15:40.680 --> 1:15:43.360 that sort of thing, And so pull up the map. 1:15:43.400 --> 1:15:46.639 It kind of looked along there and saw quarter mile, 1:15:46.680 --> 1:15:51.200 half mile something like that further down this hill, you know, 1:15:51.240 --> 1:15:53.639 sidehiling it so further in the direction I was already 1:15:53.640 --> 1:15:57.000 gonna be going, but slightly down a little towards the 1:15:57.040 --> 1:15:59.519 border of my zone and your zone. Steve close to 1:15:59.560 --> 1:16:09.400 that but not across it. You just just I found you. Wait, wait, 1:16:09.439 --> 1:16:15.719 I'm working at the lower end. I found you well 1:16:15.800 --> 1:16:19.559 below me. I got on a hunt. I was hunting. 1:16:20.080 --> 1:16:23.960 It was fair chase, and I was chasing. You went 1:16:24.000 --> 1:16:29.599 into like a third zone hadn't been discussed zone. That's correct, 1:16:30.040 --> 1:16:34.640 that's correct. I cannot confirmed order that. So basically I 1:16:34.680 --> 1:16:37.280 go down through here and I kind of went up 1:16:37.280 --> 1:16:39.360 pirate first thing, and I looked down because I thought 1:16:39.400 --> 1:16:41.840 the angled direction that the buck did leave was more 1:16:41.920 --> 1:16:44.120 down in the in the same direction that I had 1:16:44.160 --> 1:16:47.800 been going. And so anyways, I get to where this 1:16:47.840 --> 1:16:50.160 clearing is and I get to look out in the 1:16:50.200 --> 1:16:53.120 clearing and there's no buck. But as I look towards 1:16:53.120 --> 1:16:57.280 the left down the hill, I see the rack through 1:16:57.360 --> 1:17:02.639 the trees. With my bare it was yards away. It's 1:17:02.680 --> 1:17:04.920 hard to range because it was through the trees, and 1:17:04.960 --> 1:17:07.800 if I moved my head three inches or six inch 1:17:07.880 --> 1:17:09.680 to the right left up or down, like I'd lose 1:17:09.760 --> 1:17:11.000 the deer. It was one of you know, when you 1:17:11.080 --> 1:17:15.040 just zone in. And it was like eyeball to eyeball. 1:17:15.560 --> 1:17:18.519 With the window me looking straight at this deer straight on, 1:17:18.560 --> 1:17:20.559 I could see it was wider in its ears, and 1:17:20.600 --> 1:17:22.960 it was wider and aning we see. I couldn't see 1:17:23.040 --> 1:17:25.439 due to all the trees and branches. It couldn't see 1:17:25.439 --> 1:17:28.080 the forest, couldn't see more, you know about thickness, et cetera. 1:17:29.360 --> 1:17:34.320 So I stopped and stared at this buck and got 1:17:34.320 --> 1:17:37.080 my buyos, and the buck didn't move, didn't blink, didn't 1:17:37.040 --> 1:17:39.880 twitch and hear, and just stared right at me. It's 1:17:39.920 --> 1:17:42.400 crazy when you talk about Stewart, how the deer can 1:17:42.439 --> 1:17:45.320 see you, because I I felt pretty lucky that I 1:17:45.360 --> 1:17:48.599 saw this deer through this window and it obviously saw 1:17:48.640 --> 1:17:51.639 me right away. And so I'm looking through this thing 1:17:51.840 --> 1:17:53.639 and I put up the buyos and I'm just wanting 1:17:53.680 --> 1:17:55.479 him to turn his head so I can get a 1:17:55.520 --> 1:17:58.719 clear look from the side. Wouldn't turn his head, wouldn't 1:17:58.760 --> 1:18:02.320 move things straight on one and then uh, I ended 1:18:02.360 --> 1:18:04.720 up picking up my rifle. And and the thing is 1:18:04.800 --> 1:18:08.040 it was at that type of heights where I couldn't 1:18:08.280 --> 1:18:11.600 I certainly couldn't go prone, I couldn't sit down, and 1:18:11.600 --> 1:18:13.240 I have that tripod, you know, and they can go 1:18:13.320 --> 1:18:15.640 up and down or whatever, and uh that can use 1:18:15.680 --> 1:18:19.439 his sticks. Uh. If I was standing like at a 1:18:19.479 --> 1:18:22.439 regular standing heights number one over a hundred yards, I 1:18:22.439 --> 1:18:24.599 don't like to do free standing, specially with the visibility there. 1:18:25.040 --> 1:18:27.080 It was a crouching position. It was like the most 1:18:27.120 --> 1:18:31.519 awkward position, uh, that you can have, is this crouching position. 1:18:31.560 --> 1:18:33.080 Is the angle I could see the deer at I 1:18:33.160 --> 1:18:35.560 knew if I left this window, the deer was gone. 1:18:36.520 --> 1:18:38.320 And so I'm sitting there and I get my steak. 1:18:38.400 --> 1:18:41.000 It must have looked like the most uncoordinated setup because 1:18:41.040 --> 1:18:43.880 I'm like this, My feet kind of kept falling, and 1:18:43.920 --> 1:18:45.880 so I get the rest and I have the crosshairs 1:18:45.880 --> 1:18:47.120 on the deer, but I can only see kind of 1:18:47.160 --> 1:18:49.840 from the chest up half the chest up. It's looking 1:18:49.880 --> 1:18:54.400 straight on. And so at that point I knew the thing. 1:18:54.680 --> 1:18:56.960 I was hoping the thing would turn and then i'd 1:18:56.960 --> 1:18:59.439 have maybe a second or two for it to step across, 1:19:00.280 --> 1:19:02.960 maybe a wide enough clearing, maybe it's body length, and 1:19:03.000 --> 1:19:05.240 for me to judge its antlers and pull the trigger. 1:19:06.640 --> 1:19:09.200 And so I was sitting there and I was thinking, 1:19:09.240 --> 1:19:10.760 but you know, how it is once you have your 1:19:10.760 --> 1:19:14.960 cross hairs on the animal, once the animals looking at you, 1:19:15.080 --> 1:19:17.439 I can see it's wider in its ears. I even 1:19:17.439 --> 1:19:20.160 turned to my cameraman behind me, who was with me, 1:19:20.200 --> 1:19:22.360 and said, I'm gonna kind of wait and see, and 1:19:22.400 --> 1:19:24.559 I was like talking to him and just wrestling it 1:19:24.600 --> 1:19:26.960 through my mind. As soon as he turns his shoulder, 1:19:27.000 --> 1:19:29.360 I'm gonna engage it. Well, sure enough, I finally get 1:19:29.360 --> 1:19:33.519 in position and it it had been minutes of just 1:19:33.560 --> 1:19:38.120 a direct stare off right there, and the deer turns 1:19:38.880 --> 1:19:42.320 presents its shoulder and I just pulled the trigger. I 1:19:42.479 --> 1:19:45.200 just it was that instinct of like, there's the shoulder, 1:19:45.360 --> 1:19:49.599 there's the cross hairs through the trees, and uh down 1:19:49.600 --> 1:19:53.479 it went in that one shot, and uh so I 1:19:53.560 --> 1:19:55.400 run around even kind of just leave my packs at 1:19:55.400 --> 1:19:57.320 my spotting scille down everything kind of on the ground 1:19:57.360 --> 1:19:59.800 steep hill, and I just because of the brush, I 1:20:00.000 --> 1:20:02.000 wanted to kind of get over to the side to 1:20:02.120 --> 1:20:05.160 just see what's going on, what had happened. But I 1:20:05.160 --> 1:20:07.720 could see that the thing just went straight down and 1:20:07.720 --> 1:20:10.720 and sure enough it it didn't move but five or 1:20:10.720 --> 1:20:13.880 ten feet um from where we found it, and walked 1:20:13.960 --> 1:20:17.720 up on the buck and UH started taking some you know, 1:20:17.800 --> 1:20:21.000 some pictures and whatnot before we'd got it out and celebrating, 1:20:21.120 --> 1:20:25.040 and honestly, you know, i'd I'd been looking probably for 1:20:25.240 --> 1:20:26.960 a larger buck, but in that moment, it was the 1:20:27.000 --> 1:20:29.040 end of day three and we hadn't seen any shooter 1:20:29.040 --> 1:20:30.720 bucks yet, and I just said, oh, let's get something 1:20:30.720 --> 1:20:32.920 on the ground. And I was, you know, I didn't 1:20:32.960 --> 1:20:35.840 wait eight years. It's a general tag for me. I'm like, 1:20:35.920 --> 1:20:37.840 I'll just come back next year if I want to. 1:20:38.040 --> 1:20:40.519 This guy's gotta wait until, like my kids are grown 1:20:40.520 --> 1:20:44.120 and married and probably had children before. So then I 1:20:44.200 --> 1:20:46.600 recovered the buck, and then all of a sudden, I 1:20:46.680 --> 1:20:53.360 see Steve walking clearly into my zone down Stewart and 1:20:53.439 --> 1:20:56.040 they both heard the shot and UH and came up 1:20:56.280 --> 1:20:58.720 and it was I would say, probably pretty close to 1:20:58.760 --> 1:21:01.320 your zone, Steve. It was, but it had traveled like 1:21:01.360 --> 1:21:04.720 I'd spotted it well in my zone. And so I 1:21:04.760 --> 1:21:08.600 don't know where that is in a book of hunting tactics, 1:21:08.680 --> 1:21:11.559 but no, I think if you're on a hot trail, 1:21:11.720 --> 1:21:15.600 you get to just I think, okay, how often do 1:21:15.640 --> 1:21:18.400 you bump a deer while st still hunting, look at 1:21:18.439 --> 1:21:20.760 something on a map, go and find it and shoot it. 1:21:20.800 --> 1:21:22.200 But I would have shot that bug had I come 1:21:22.240 --> 1:21:30.400 across it. Yeah. Yeah, is afternoon to day three, which 1:21:30.439 --> 1:21:33.240 incidentally just a point that I hadn't thought about. All 1:21:33.280 --> 1:21:36.200 of the bucks we shot this week, we're in the evening, 1:21:36.280 --> 1:21:41.120 early even hours. That's a good point. Well, you're right, Uh, 1:21:41.280 --> 1:21:44.760 the one, the one I got. It's interesting story. But 1:21:44.840 --> 1:21:50.120 the highlight of my trip, Um, besides me to you guys, 1:21:50.120 --> 1:21:53.360 I'm watching you work with the horses and and and 1:21:53.479 --> 1:21:56.840 all that, which is really educational. Uh, the highlight of 1:21:56.840 --> 1:22:00.200 my trip was something I glimpsed. It's it's words really 1:22:00.240 --> 1:22:04.120 do it justice. But Uh, when we're all hunting, there's 1:22:04.120 --> 1:22:05.600 there's a there's a lot of deer around, and we 1:22:05.600 --> 1:22:11.839 have a long time and we're all admirers of big mulders, 1:22:11.880 --> 1:22:15.800 so we're trying to find you know, mature box big 1:22:15.880 --> 1:22:19.200 racks on them. Uh, and then kind of wrestling with 1:22:19.240 --> 1:22:21.639 this equation of how much time do you have left? Right? 1:22:22.040 --> 1:22:23.840 And I'm like, I'm definitely gonna get a buck, so 1:22:23.840 --> 1:22:26.920 I'm gonna wait and wait, but I gotta wait too long. 1:22:27.000 --> 1:22:28.720 And yeah, it's like I'm willing to go home with 1:22:28.800 --> 1:22:30.760 no buck. I'm gonna keep waiting. And you know, you're 1:22:30.760 --> 1:22:32.880 wrestling all this out in your head, and meanwhile you're 1:22:32.920 --> 1:22:35.559 looking at you're already seeing deer. And so every time 1:22:35.600 --> 1:22:39.120 you see a mule deer's rump through the timber or 1:22:39.120 --> 1:22:43.240 wherever it is, um, no matter what I mean, you 1:22:43.240 --> 1:22:44.960 gotta sit down and assess that thing and see what 1:22:45.000 --> 1:22:46.080 it is like. Is it a buck? Is it a 1:22:46.120 --> 1:22:50.000 big buck? And there was a time I was I 1:22:50.040 --> 1:22:51.880 think I was was. Yeah, I was with Steward. I 1:22:51.880 --> 1:22:53.200 can't remember who else is there, but I was with 1:22:53.240 --> 1:22:56.240 you and we I think you had spotted a deer 1:22:56.240 --> 1:23:00.879 in September. And then I started looking in there and 1:23:00.880 --> 1:23:03.240 and we started to put together there's three of them 1:23:03.280 --> 1:23:07.280 in there, and we see two of them. We see 1:23:07.320 --> 1:23:10.720 there are just two little ones, and there's a third one. 1:23:10.720 --> 1:23:14.760 We're waiting for the third one to reveal itself. And 1:23:15.080 --> 1:23:18.400 one of these other boxes, he'd stepped into a spot 1:23:18.439 --> 1:23:21.080 where he's just got the bright sunlight on his rump 1:23:21.680 --> 1:23:25.280 and they really shine. And the buck that I was 1:23:25.320 --> 1:23:27.760 waiting to see, I couldn't see him at all. Now 1:23:28.040 --> 1:23:30.920 he's completely behind a tree. But all of a sudden, 1:23:30.920 --> 1:23:37.240 I see the most perfect shadow of his rack on 1:23:37.680 --> 1:23:41.479 the sunlit buck, to the point where I was like, oh, 1:23:41.560 --> 1:23:44.840 it's a three by three because it's shadow was like 1:23:44.880 --> 1:23:49.680 someone doing like finger puppets on the bedroom wall, blasted 1:23:49.720 --> 1:23:52.879 against this deer and it lasted like this fleeting glimpse. 1:23:52.920 --> 1:23:55.800 But it was the most bizarre thing I've seen a while. 1:23:55.800 --> 1:23:58.760 It's like a perfect like I didn't even need to 1:23:58.800 --> 1:24:02.200 stick around to let him come out of where he 1:24:02.240 --> 1:24:07.200 was hiding because of how perfectly shadowed his uh deal was. 1:24:07.840 --> 1:24:10.000 But the day I got the buck I got, we 1:24:10.080 --> 1:24:12.920 kind of scoured around a fair bit and it was 1:24:12.960 --> 1:24:15.439 real snowy, and the kind of strange thing that's really 1:24:15.439 --> 1:24:19.320 fortuitous series of events happened where we saw a dough, 1:24:19.880 --> 1:24:22.120 where we saw a deer, and by the time we 1:24:22.120 --> 1:24:25.120 get set up a spotting scope this, the snow picked 1:24:25.160 --> 1:24:27.840 up so bad you couldn't see. So you went and 1:24:27.960 --> 1:24:29.679 hit out in some trees. You got out of the wind, 1:24:29.880 --> 1:24:32.800 made a little fire and it got clear. And the 1:24:32.800 --> 1:24:35.280 minute it got clear, right, well, let's go run down 1:24:35.280 --> 1:24:37.160 and look at the hillside we were trying to go 1:24:37.200 --> 1:24:40.439 look at and I'm still set up my spotting scope 1:24:41.080 --> 1:24:43.719 and Landing's like, there's deer that looks like a buck. 1:24:44.160 --> 1:24:46.120 I set up my spine and scope like, wow, that's 1:24:46.120 --> 1:24:48.840 a that's a nice I mean nice buck. Was all 1:24:48.840 --> 1:24:50.800 the whole trip like that's a nice buck. And I 1:24:50.800 --> 1:24:53.960 remember you had said, quote what a stud and so 1:24:55.160 --> 1:24:59.760 the buck not me and it was that was it 1:24:59.880 --> 1:25:02.360 like nine yards away or something that's quite quite a 1:25:02.360 --> 1:25:06.840 ways way? And all of a sudden, our our camera 1:25:06.880 --> 1:25:10.599 guy Lauren remarks like, man, is there a squall headed 1:25:10.600 --> 1:25:12.479 our way? And I look up the mountain and just 1:25:12.560 --> 1:25:15.439 like this wall of white is coming and this wall 1:25:15.479 --> 1:25:21.759 of white and it was fog, intense wind and a 1:25:21.800 --> 1:25:26.840 lot of snow just engulfs Us and Land and I 1:25:26.920 --> 1:25:29.040 kind of look at each I were like, you know, 1:25:29.680 --> 1:25:33.519 we could walk over there like this buck would never know. 1:25:33.640 --> 1:25:40.320 And we literally just ran threw a white out, arrived 1:25:40.320 --> 1:25:42.759 at where we were, like below the buck. The white 1:25:42.760 --> 1:25:46.599 out is so strong that we're able to pick which 1:25:46.600 --> 1:25:48.800 sort of tree would be best to hang out at 1:25:49.439 --> 1:25:51.640 hunker down that eventus you could kind of see the 1:25:51.680 --> 1:25:54.960 base of the hill, then you can make out some timber. 1:25:56.120 --> 1:25:58.760 Then it cleared and just there's the buck. Two and 1:25:58.920 --> 1:26:03.320 fifty yards away. Nothing works out like that. It was perfect, 1:26:03.360 --> 1:26:05.240 I mean the wind. We kept watching the wind to 1:26:05.240 --> 1:26:07.880 make sure that the our wind was right, and the 1:26:07.880 --> 1:26:12.160 whole situation was just a perfect uh, perfect stock And 1:26:12.160 --> 1:26:13.960 it couldn't been any better because we caught him right 1:26:13.960 --> 1:26:17.280 in that window between the snowstorms, and then we were 1:26:17.280 --> 1:26:19.760 able to use the snowstorm as our cover to then 1:26:19.800 --> 1:26:21.680 get within a range where he didn't even know we 1:26:21.680 --> 1:26:23.800 were there because we had a bare hillside with opa 1:26:23.880 --> 1:26:25.559 pockets that we needed to be able to get through 1:26:25.600 --> 1:26:27.960 to get down to him. But then the snow also 1:26:28.000 --> 1:26:31.000 helped muffle the noise, you know, the wind and everything, 1:26:31.040 --> 1:26:33.200 and then it got like beautifully calm. And the other 1:26:33.200 --> 1:26:35.600 thing that we both observed later that never happens. We 1:26:35.640 --> 1:26:38.920 had a landmark which was the shiny white the shiny tree, 1:26:39.040 --> 1:26:42.240 nag uh. And a lot of times you kind of 1:26:42.240 --> 1:26:46.040 move aways and your landmarks ceased to make sense. But 1:26:46.280 --> 1:26:49.080 we got up and as it started to clear, we 1:26:49.080 --> 1:26:52.800 were in agreement, like that's the tree, yea, And then 1:26:52.880 --> 1:26:56.720 lo and behold, like the bark was under the tree. 1:26:57.439 --> 1:26:59.360 It was nothing, I mean not nothing ever works out 1:26:59.400 --> 1:27:00.919 that way. But that was one of the more amazing. 1:27:00.960 --> 1:27:03.479 That's how good crooked sky is. They can call into 1:27:03.520 --> 1:27:11.439 salls some of the squall. We had that kind of 1:27:11.520 --> 1:27:15.439 power sometimes. But so how and how far was that? 1:27:15.720 --> 1:27:17.360 How far did you get then when you stopped? Was 1:27:17.400 --> 1:27:20.759 it to something? We stopped and hunkered down and waited 1:27:20.760 --> 1:27:24.160 for the water to clear. And when the bucks stepped 1:27:24.240 --> 1:27:28.120 I mean he still I say he stepped out, But yeah, 1:27:28.120 --> 1:27:29.640 he stepped out. We we couldn't see him in all 1:27:29.640 --> 1:27:34.080 sinar he was two six yards. Nothing ever works out 1:27:34.160 --> 1:27:38.400 quite like that unless Stewart says, I've got a plan. 1:27:38.960 --> 1:27:41.800 Let's drive this piece of timber up here at on 1:27:41.840 --> 1:27:44.280 the side of the Shale Mountain and you just go 1:27:44.360 --> 1:27:45.960 and sit down at the end of the Shelle Mountain 1:27:45.960 --> 1:27:47.599 and wait for a buck to come to you. Your 1:27:47.600 --> 1:27:49.720 word for it doesn't give away your spot. That's your 1:27:49.720 --> 1:27:52.559 own personal term for it. Or do people know it 1:27:52.600 --> 1:27:56.160 as I think you said, huh, you know, I don't 1:27:56.160 --> 1:27:59.439 know that we we uh, we gave it a name, 1:28:00.200 --> 1:28:02.599 but I don't think there's any name on a map 1:28:02.680 --> 1:28:04.200 like that. But we gave gave it a name of 1:28:04.280 --> 1:28:08.679 dangling gardens because you're virtually hanging when you're coming around 1:28:09.640 --> 1:28:12.320 patch of timber. You're grabbing for any kind of pine 1:28:12.360 --> 1:28:16.160 bow to keep you upright, because it's just it's really 1:28:16.240 --> 1:28:20.520 steep on the on the side, slant with rock and 1:28:20.520 --> 1:28:24.000 and uh it's a workout. They'll have you in a lather, 1:28:24.720 --> 1:28:28.679 just in a in about a half a mile, you know, hike. 1:28:28.880 --> 1:28:33.519 I tripped eleven times and slid downhill on that drive. 1:28:34.160 --> 1:28:37.280 For you, you had a little counter pressing the button 1:28:37.320 --> 1:28:40.680 every day. My my film guy just kept laughing and 1:28:40.680 --> 1:28:43.120 then other way back he kept doing it. That was 1:28:43.439 --> 1:28:45.800 and that's the thing, man, So much respect for you, 1:28:45.920 --> 1:28:48.200 steward of of the I mean the physical nature. We 1:28:48.240 --> 1:28:51.720 talked at about horseback, but I mean that that day, 1:28:51.840 --> 1:28:53.599 uh that you shot your Bucky on us, I mean 1:28:53.600 --> 1:28:55.360 it was you know, there's I think I looked it 1:28:55.400 --> 1:28:58.559 was eighteen miles and maybe ten of that was on horseback, 1:28:58.560 --> 1:29:02.400 and eight we didn't stop for fourteen hours. We were 1:29:02.439 --> 1:29:05.240 just just going, yeah, I know, it was a beautiful 1:29:05.320 --> 1:29:08.160 day to walk around the mountains. And he was just 1:29:08.800 --> 1:29:14.800 yeah that good horse rides. Oh No, I want to 1:29:14.800 --> 1:29:16.080 tell the story of the things that I think it 1:29:16.160 --> 1:29:19.559 kind of demonstrates. One year hunting was someone who spent 1:29:19.680 --> 1:29:24.920 thirty years hunting the area. Yeah, just like talking about 1:29:24.920 --> 1:29:27.559 how that played out with the buck he got. Well. 1:29:27.600 --> 1:29:29.120 Prior to that was the first day I got to 1:29:29.200 --> 1:29:30.720 hunt with Steward prid Of that had been hunting with 1:29:30.800 --> 1:29:33.200 Land and we've been hunting sort of the other side 1:29:33.200 --> 1:29:37.240 of this drainage and looking over at this mountain which 1:29:37.400 --> 1:29:42.920 dangling gardens dangle on, and he kept saying, you know, 1:29:43.000 --> 1:29:46.559 there's bucks in that patch of timber, and like when 1:29:46.560 --> 1:29:49.640 you're seeing them. Well, no, well he's seen him there 1:29:49.640 --> 1:29:52.559 in the past. And Adam went by it one day 1:29:52.560 --> 1:29:55.360 and he's like, man, it's just like a big rocky hillside. 1:29:55.360 --> 1:29:57.960 There's probably not any bucks over there. And then the 1:29:58.040 --> 1:30:00.519 next day or no, that same afternoon, I hunted it 1:30:00.560 --> 1:30:03.760 backwards and I looked over there some and I'm like, yeah, 1:30:03.760 --> 1:30:06.240 it just doesn't look like a real bucky spot because 1:30:06.280 --> 1:30:12.640 it's just like rocks to right. Yeah, yeah, Um, it 1:30:12.760 --> 1:30:14.599 wasn't Wasn't there a story of the past where we've 1:30:14.600 --> 1:30:16.720 done the same thing and a lot of bucks came 1:30:16.720 --> 1:30:20.200 out there. Yeah. We had a hunter from Pennsylvanian and 1:30:20.360 --> 1:30:23.080 he'd been all over he'd been to Africa and so 1:30:23.120 --> 1:30:24.880 he you know, when he was he was a good hunter. 1:30:25.120 --> 1:30:27.040 But he was in there his older years, and so 1:30:27.600 --> 1:30:30.479 that was a way for there. It couldn't have been 1:30:30.479 --> 1:30:33.240 that old. Well he was, he was in his uh 1:30:33.439 --> 1:30:37.480 he would have been in his late late sixties, early seventies, 1:30:38.160 --> 1:30:40.920 and uh he was a bigger fellow and and but 1:30:41.120 --> 1:30:44.920 pretty physical and robust even at his age. But we 1:30:45.000 --> 1:30:47.720 rode him. We got him, uh, dropped off at the 1:30:47.760 --> 1:30:51.320 point that would have been close to where on horseback 1:30:52.200 --> 1:30:55.400 he wasn't gonna get off. So we we we we walk. 1:30:57.840 --> 1:31:00.280 That was a drop off, not the not the high through, 1:31:00.360 --> 1:31:03.960 but we we went through that same batch of timber. 1:31:04.040 --> 1:31:06.280 We'd had it. It was a tough we were having it. 1:31:06.400 --> 1:31:09.400 It was a dry, uh kind of an almost Indian 1:31:09.439 --> 1:31:13.040 summary type hunt week, and so everything was just really 1:31:13.080 --> 1:31:16.080 tough and held up in the timber tighten. We thought, 1:31:16.120 --> 1:31:18.360 this is one of our only options is to see 1:31:18.360 --> 1:31:20.600 if we can walk through this, uh, this strip of 1:31:20.640 --> 1:31:24.679 timber which has kind of a natural funnel effect. They 1:31:24.720 --> 1:31:26.960 don't like to go down on that. They they'd rather 1:31:27.000 --> 1:31:30.720 traverse around because they've got to cover and feed. And 1:31:30.720 --> 1:31:33.080 we haven't dissed. We don't have time to get into 1:31:33.120 --> 1:31:36.080 we haven't discussed the slide like this is the most 1:31:36.120 --> 1:31:41.120 slide rock intensive location I've ever been. It's it's it's 1:31:41.160 --> 1:31:43.360 a lot of rock and and a lot of we 1:31:43.400 --> 1:31:45.719 call it slide rock up that you know from our tourman. 1:31:45.880 --> 1:31:47.760 Nothing wants to walk on that stuff. They don't, they 1:31:47.760 --> 1:31:50.800 don't like to, and so that's part of the you know, 1:31:51.000 --> 1:31:53.599 that timber was kind of nestled in such a way 1:31:53.640 --> 1:31:56.960 that as it came around in a tree line fashion 1:31:58.479 --> 1:32:01.479 on that on that mountain that in the past we 1:32:01.520 --> 1:32:04.479 had driven that and we had driven out. When we 1:32:04.520 --> 1:32:06.840 got over, we heard a shot get around. He just 1:32:06.920 --> 1:32:09.080 killed a buck. And the guy says, I had to 1:32:09.120 --> 1:32:11.320 do something. He says that there were thirteen bucks went 1:32:11.320 --> 1:32:14.080 in front of me and I had to take so, 1:32:14.400 --> 1:32:17.000 you know, he just you know, he just it blew 1:32:17.080 --> 1:32:20.080 him away that that would even because I think and 1:32:20.360 --> 1:32:22.439 I thought the same thing early on is when you 1:32:22.520 --> 1:32:26.000 glass that, you're thinking, there's no way it's too rocky too. 1:32:26.320 --> 1:32:28.200 But they like it does have brush in there that 1:32:28.280 --> 1:32:31.240 they like to nibble on. But there's there's the places 1:32:31.280 --> 1:32:35.000 that they've through the years of you know, pawt out 1:32:35.080 --> 1:32:37.240 to make a bed on the uphill side of it. Yeah, 1:32:37.280 --> 1:32:40.240 they like excavate their beds, and they do. That buck 1:32:40.280 --> 1:32:42.160 I got was in a place I feel a lot 1:32:42.240 --> 1:32:47.640 of I feel most hunters would would not scrutinize the 1:32:47.720 --> 1:32:49.720 hill where I found the buck because they're gonna be 1:32:49.720 --> 1:32:52.120 looking at the meadowy stuff, right, You're gonna see all 1:32:52.160 --> 1:32:57.040 those beautiful grassy meadows, not realizing that those older box 1:32:57.160 --> 1:33:02.080 are in the not there in like like hidie holes, 1:33:02.120 --> 1:33:04.960 like weird spots. You know. When we walked through those 1:33:04.960 --> 1:33:07.320 trees doing the drive and I saw a bed and 1:33:07.360 --> 1:33:10.519 I was like, how did this bed even hardly get made? 1:33:10.640 --> 1:33:12.439 I mean it's like, how do you even level it out? 1:33:12.479 --> 1:33:15.720 I mean it's but they felt safe up there. I 1:33:15.720 --> 1:33:17.400 mean we didn't think they were there. Probably nobody thought 1:33:17.400 --> 1:33:19.160 they were there. I didn't think there's anything living on 1:33:19.200 --> 1:33:23.559 the side of that dangling gardens. That's that's their bed 1:33:23.640 --> 1:33:26.360 down the site. You all that they can, especially when 1:33:26.360 --> 1:33:28.280 it's cold, they can go around it. It gets that 1:33:29.479 --> 1:33:31.599 it's on a south facing slope and they can get 1:33:31.640 --> 1:33:35.320 that sun. And yet they've got escape routes you know, 1:33:35.400 --> 1:33:39.080 out the wazoo. Uh, they can go down if they're spooked. 1:33:39.280 --> 1:33:42.120 But you were pretty confident when we were there ahead 1:33:42.160 --> 1:33:44.400 of time with the honest you know, we even said, 1:33:44.400 --> 1:33:47.200 well wouldn't they go down or whatever? They'll go usually 1:33:47.240 --> 1:33:51.599 go right around to go around. Yeah. Yeah, when we 1:33:51.600 --> 1:33:53.599 were looking at it from across the way, you kept saying, 1:33:53.680 --> 1:33:56.240 see how that bandit timbers rafts right around that point, 1:33:56.280 --> 1:33:58.639 you know, and it narrows down. It just necks down 1:33:59.240 --> 1:34:01.840 to where if they want to stay near any kind 1:34:01.840 --> 1:34:07.720 of timber they have to take this one path. Um. 1:34:07.760 --> 1:34:10.240 So yeah, anyways, I hate to skip through all that 1:34:10.320 --> 1:34:12.440 all this day because we had this just this wonderful 1:34:12.520 --> 1:34:16.920 day of hunting that culminated in this in shooting this box, 1:34:16.960 --> 1:34:20.440 because we had seen prior to that, I think eight 1:34:20.560 --> 1:34:24.479 other bogs. We had three inches of fresh snow that morning, 1:34:24.520 --> 1:34:26.200 like the biggest snow we had gotten. It was the 1:34:26.240 --> 1:34:28.640 morning after you killed yours. That squall had come in 1:34:28.720 --> 1:34:31.040 that allowed you to kill yours, laid down about two 1:34:31.120 --> 1:34:33.679 or three inches depending on where you were in the mountains. 1:34:34.240 --> 1:34:36.080 And it was just like that. You couldn't pick a 1:34:36.120 --> 1:34:38.479 better morning. And that's something I'd like to remark on. 1:34:38.560 --> 1:34:41.479 Did you notice how the weather seemed to really like 1:34:41.560 --> 1:34:44.000 it was either like very nice or you'd have this 1:34:44.160 --> 1:34:47.880 like crazy squaw move in and holy shit, and then 1:34:48.360 --> 1:34:50.160 that would last for not too long and then all 1:34:50.160 --> 1:34:55.120 sudden just be beautiful again. There wasn't a lot of 1:34:55.160 --> 1:34:57.640 in between. There's a lot of putting clothes on and 1:34:57.680 --> 1:35:05.479 taking them off. Laters are very important for um. But yeah, 1:35:05.520 --> 1:35:08.640 we hiked around a good bit. Like Adam said, we 1:35:08.680 --> 1:35:11.400 did basically one whole hunt and then decided to continue 1:35:11.520 --> 1:35:14.559 up the mountain, got back on our horses, and that's 1:35:14.600 --> 1:35:17.439 when we like, I felt like we graduated to level 1:35:17.479 --> 1:35:21.360 ten horse riding was that afternoon because we just went 1:35:21.439 --> 1:35:24.160 off the trail and straight up, straight up. It was 1:35:24.200 --> 1:35:27.240 the Man from Snowy River, but uphill down. If you 1:35:27.280 --> 1:35:32.920 watch that movie backwards, it was man, it was it 1:35:33.040 --> 1:35:36.400 was cool. Um, where do we get to? We got 1:35:36.439 --> 1:35:39.080 to like, uh, we got to a pass. We got 1:35:39.160 --> 1:35:41.840 up to a rim that that had could look down 1:35:41.880 --> 1:35:44.280 into a bowl, great big bowl. It was actually the 1:35:44.280 --> 1:35:46.200 only time we stopped all day. Did lunch there for 1:35:46.200 --> 1:35:48.639 about a half hour, and other gnat from dark to dark. 1:35:48.800 --> 1:35:53.320 We didn't stop moving, right, I mean, other standing glass. Yeah, 1:35:53.520 --> 1:35:55.280 other than the time when we got up to the 1:35:55.320 --> 1:35:58.800 top of this unnamed peak and Stewart said I've got 1:35:58.800 --> 1:36:05.120 a plan and involve you, Adam and Stewart walking the 1:36:05.240 --> 1:36:07.200 dangling gardens. And I was gonna get to walk down 1:36:07.200 --> 1:36:08.960 the ridge and go sit and wait for bucks to 1:36:08.960 --> 1:36:14.040 come around the corner. And uh, yeah, it worked out perfectly. 1:36:14.720 --> 1:36:16.640 I got Also, I got nestled in and I had 1:36:16.640 --> 1:36:19.240 a nice little shooting perch when I had my tripods 1:36:19.240 --> 1:36:22.080 set up where I could shoot zero to two or 1:36:22.160 --> 1:36:24.800 fifty yards if they came close and if they got 1:36:24.800 --> 1:36:27.040 by me. And it's kind of spilled out in this 1:36:27.120 --> 1:36:29.000 big open basin that was to my left. I had 1:36:29.040 --> 1:36:32.000 my pack already set up so I could switch positions 1:36:32.000 --> 1:36:33.840 and get on my pack and make a longer shot. 1:36:33.920 --> 1:36:39.080 You had your mees on plas. Yes, that's culinary term. Yes, four, 1:36:40.320 --> 1:36:46.280 all your stuff in order. Yeah, you're prep um. I 1:36:46.360 --> 1:36:50.000 used to do a lot of MEAs in plas. Uh 1:36:50.040 --> 1:36:55.240 do you know what she was trying to remember? The term? Now, 1:36:55.760 --> 1:36:59.360 when you cut like a real fine dice, like a 1:36:59.439 --> 1:37:02.200 quarter inch, what's that called? You gotta have like quarter 1:37:02.240 --> 1:37:06.160 ins dice carrots and your musing plus come on, you know, 1:37:06.200 --> 1:37:08.120 I know that when you get your carrots and your onions, 1:37:08.160 --> 1:37:12.200 your mushroom diced up. It's a mere plais Yeah, no mushroom, 1:37:12.240 --> 1:37:20.360 so just selary but not to diverge. Um. I was 1:37:20.400 --> 1:37:23.320 ready and it took a while. You called on the 1:37:23.400 --> 1:37:25.200 radio and he said are you ready? I said, yeah, 1:37:25.320 --> 1:37:28.439 said we're starting in. And a lot of times on 1:37:28.479 --> 1:37:30.040 the drive, I feel like, if it's gonna happen, it 1:37:30.080 --> 1:37:32.200 happens pretty quick, because you bump something as soon as 1:37:32.240 --> 1:37:34.600 you get into the patch that you're gonna push, and 1:37:34.640 --> 1:37:36.760 the deer or the elk or whatever goes through its 1:37:36.840 --> 1:37:40.360 own and it happens. Well, like fifteen minutes went by, 1:37:40.560 --> 1:37:43.760 and I'm chatting with Tyler, the camera guy, and I'm like, yeah, 1:37:43.760 --> 1:37:46.120 I'm half expecting these guys just to pop out at 1:37:46.120 --> 1:37:49.720 any moment, you know, we'll be getting on out of here. Well, 1:37:49.760 --> 1:37:52.439 I'm telling myself, stay ready, stay ready, And sure enough, 1:37:52.720 --> 1:37:55.400 like right on the point of the ridge, here comes 1:37:55.400 --> 1:38:00.639 two bodies, you know, two bucks coming together. Yep, and uh, 1:38:00.680 --> 1:38:04.599 they were probably I don't know, a hundred yards hundred 1:38:04.600 --> 1:38:07.519 fifty yards below me, kind of wrapping around and at 1:38:07.560 --> 1:38:09.880 some point, for whatever reason, when they were maybe twitter 1:38:10.000 --> 1:38:12.000 yards away, they decided to come straight up the hill. 1:38:12.960 --> 1:38:14.519 But I knew they wouldn't go over the top because 1:38:14.520 --> 1:38:17.400 it's all that shale rock and you know, just there's 1:38:17.400 --> 1:38:19.880 no nothing to travel on and so they want to 1:38:19.960 --> 1:38:22.880 kind of hit that stuff. They turned. It almost made 1:38:22.880 --> 1:38:25.240 it tough because they were coming almost at me. I 1:38:25.280 --> 1:38:26.920 didn't really have a shot. I would have shot him 1:38:26.920 --> 1:38:29.040 earlier had he give me, give me a broadside shot 1:38:29.040 --> 1:38:31.360 when he came and kept just coming at me side 1:38:31.400 --> 1:38:35.840 to wait until they finally just like the angle decreased 1:38:35.880 --> 1:38:39.080 and he became broadside and that was probably there was 1:38:39.120 --> 1:38:44.080 somewhere between fifty and seventy yards. It's pretty close. Piled 1:38:44.120 --> 1:38:48.400 him up, Yeah, yeah, shot I had. I was shooting 1:38:48.439 --> 1:38:51.720 for like chest, like front of the front shoulder because 1:38:51.720 --> 1:38:55.559 he was quartering two pretty severely, and uh he was moving. 1:38:55.600 --> 1:38:57.599 He just had a little gap that he went through, 1:38:58.560 --> 1:39:00.880 and uh I touched off, caught him in like the 1:39:00.920 --> 1:39:06.280 lower neck, lost my neck, grosstst half of one shoulder. 1:39:07.760 --> 1:39:10.680 But a piled up you didn't go anywhere. There was 1:39:10.760 --> 1:39:14.400 three three bullets fired and three bucks down. I remember 1:39:14.439 --> 1:39:20.479 hearing that shot from across the canyon because yeah, and uh, 1:39:20.760 --> 1:39:23.680 I just listened for the radio chatter after that, and 1:39:23.960 --> 1:39:26.559 Stewart came on the radio asking if Yanni had shot 1:39:26.560 --> 1:39:28.800 and Joanni said, I had to shoot him almost in 1:39:28.880 --> 1:39:36.320 self defense. Yeah, he was gonna go for me. It 1:39:36.439 --> 1:39:40.240 was good. I'm gonna do. I'm gonna do my concluders, 1:39:40.479 --> 1:39:46.639 My concluders A two part concluder. Okay, um, part my part. 1:39:46.680 --> 1:39:51.040 One of my concluder is we had there was a 1:39:51.040 --> 1:39:53.919 big winter kill, two big winter kills in western Wyoming. 1:39:55.320 --> 1:39:57.720 And don't don't they estimate that about fifty of the 1:39:57.760 --> 1:40:01.160 mule deer got killed. Well, our phone mortality was over 1:40:03.000 --> 1:40:05.680 and uh, I don't know what the total, but you know, 1:40:05.760 --> 1:40:10.920 you look you lose over your your phone crop that severe. 1:40:11.439 --> 1:40:13.840 And we had talked about doing this hunt a couple 1:40:13.840 --> 1:40:20.400 of years ago in Landing. Uh generously in character with himself, 1:40:20.800 --> 1:40:22.479 UH said, you know, you guys might want to wait 1:40:23.040 --> 1:40:25.720 a little bit to see kind of how things are 1:40:25.720 --> 1:40:29.520 gonna shake out with the meal to your population. Um. 1:40:29.560 --> 1:40:32.160 And there's still some chatter, you know, in in in 1:40:33.120 --> 1:40:35.200 Um people who like to hunt this area to some 1:40:35.320 --> 1:40:39.320 still some chatter about is it worth it or not? 1:40:39.479 --> 1:40:43.360 And how are the mule that you're doing? Uh? My 1:40:43.520 --> 1:40:51.840 sense after looking around, is that barring another weather catastrophe Um, 1:40:52.000 --> 1:40:54.840 this place is gonna be special in a couple of 1:40:54.880 --> 1:40:57.599 years because there are a lot of up and coming 1:40:58.800 --> 1:41:00.439 I don't know if it always seems like that, but 1:41:00.479 --> 1:41:02.080 there seems to be like a lot of up and 1:41:02.120 --> 1:41:06.439 coming bucks, like a lot of like classic four by 1:41:06.560 --> 1:41:10.240 four mule deer Bucks on the mountain right now that 1:41:10.280 --> 1:41:13.080 are younger your three and four year old bucks. Yeah. 1:41:13.120 --> 1:41:17.200 And if, like unless something some kind of other catastrophe 1:41:17.240 --> 1:41:18.960 would happen, I'd have to think that things are gonna 1:41:18.960 --> 1:41:22.600 be like things are gonna be kind of back to 1:41:22.640 --> 1:41:26.000 the good old days. The genetics, the genetics are all there, 1:41:26.640 --> 1:41:29.280 and and the ones that survived that those tough winners 1:41:29.360 --> 1:41:31.760 are only going to pass on those good genetics and 1:41:31.800 --> 1:41:35.439 continue to build our herd. Um And. So I you know, 1:41:35.560 --> 1:41:38.679 I think what we saw this week, you know, I 1:41:38.760 --> 1:41:42.559 we probably saw forty or fifty different bucks, um and, 1:41:42.560 --> 1:41:44.760 and a good chunk of those, I think, being four 1:41:44.800 --> 1:41:48.440 point that are up and coming gonna be the majority. 1:41:48.680 --> 1:41:51.799 This is really surprising, the majority. It almost you always 1:41:51.840 --> 1:41:54.440 have to worry about the where are all the forkys? 1:41:55.280 --> 1:41:56.600 So I don't know where you guys are gonna be 1:41:56.600 --> 1:41:59.720 at five years, but in one or two years. That's 1:41:59.720 --> 1:42:01.599 what they know. And that points out the fact when 1:42:01.600 --> 1:42:04.320 you don't see that many forkies, that you realize that, yeah, 1:42:04.320 --> 1:42:07.040 that the fun mortality was up. That was two years ago. 1:42:07.080 --> 1:42:09.799 Whenn't it well too well, I think too back almost 1:42:09.800 --> 1:42:13.519 back to back, we've had the almost comparable. It's true 1:42:13.520 --> 1:42:15.040 we did not see a lot of films. There are 1:42:15.120 --> 1:42:17.479 a lot of like books that are like like Doug 1:42:17.560 --> 1:42:19.200 during says, there are a lot of nice buck next 1:42:19.280 --> 1:42:25.040 year's Um. That's my one observation. The second we don't 1:42:25.080 --> 1:42:28.840 do many um a lot of us with you, none 1:42:28.840 --> 1:42:31.200 at all. We don't do many hunts to go out 1:42:31.280 --> 1:42:39.080 with outfitters. Uh. But man, it's real eye opening. Um. 1:42:39.120 --> 1:42:44.519 I realized that it's almost like a kind of it's 1:42:44.560 --> 1:42:47.320 almost like a like a like a kind of vanity 1:42:47.479 --> 1:42:51.720 or something, or like a kind of pride that uh 1:42:51.880 --> 1:42:56.920 would prevent one partially to prevent one from wanting to 1:42:56.960 --> 1:42:58.920 go and like have someone else be really in the 1:42:59.000 --> 1:43:02.120 driver's seat, you know. Um, you get to relacate, like, oh, 1:43:02.160 --> 1:43:03.680 I know how to do you know, I know what 1:43:03.720 --> 1:43:06.000 I'm doing. I'll do it, by God, I can do 1:43:06.000 --> 1:43:09.160 it myself. Uh. And I kind of over the years 1:43:10.000 --> 1:43:12.719 developed that sentiment a little bit. And and there's another 1:43:12.920 --> 1:43:15.040 friend of ours, Jay Scott, who I've spent something he's 1:43:15.040 --> 1:43:18.320 a guide and spend some time around him. Um, and 1:43:18.360 --> 1:43:20.800 you learn a lot. It was fun, Like it was 1:43:20.920 --> 1:43:23.920 really fun to be out with you guys and see, Um, 1:43:24.120 --> 1:43:28.559 you have phenomenal game eyes. I want to know if 1:43:28.600 --> 1:43:33.360 you have a good game. I in looking for those 1:43:33.439 --> 1:43:36.080 animals in that spot. I'd love to see if you 1:43:36.160 --> 1:43:38.040 got a good game I somewhere else. I don't know, 1:43:39.240 --> 1:43:41.080 like if you were in Michigan, would you be spotting 1:43:41.120 --> 1:43:44.040 deer through thick brush all the time? Would you'd be like, 1:43:44.120 --> 1:43:48.200 there's a dear ankle twenty yards away? Or um, you know, 1:43:48.320 --> 1:43:50.640 you guys have phenomenal game eyes. And then just the 1:43:50.680 --> 1:43:54.680 stuff about the horses, and I appreciate and hanging out 1:43:54.680 --> 1:43:56.400 with you guys. That's why I would just so hardly 1:43:56.400 --> 1:43:58.080 recommend people that want to go do a hunt like 1:43:58.080 --> 1:44:02.720 this to hook up with you guys. Is um you 1:44:02.720 --> 1:44:07.760 you teach like you guys teach without lecturing. I don't 1:44:07.760 --> 1:44:09.800 know quite know how to put it, but in a 1:44:09.880 --> 1:44:15.120 very like gracious, friendly way of just wanting not wanting 1:44:15.160 --> 1:44:17.080 to like get people to do what you want to do, 1:44:17.560 --> 1:44:22.479 but just wanting to get people to um have an experience. Yeah, 1:44:22.560 --> 1:44:24.639 like you have an experience and come away a better person. 1:44:24.840 --> 1:44:28.280 Like you really shared a lot of information. You shared 1:44:28.320 --> 1:44:30.680 a lot of information in a very cool way, like 1:44:30.720 --> 1:44:39.679 a really digestible, friendly way. Um without ever yeah, without 1:44:39.680 --> 1:44:43.720 ever seeming like you guys are look down on your clients, 1:44:43.840 --> 1:44:48.679 are annoyed by your guests, right, or that you're there, 1:44:48.760 --> 1:44:51.479 like you'd got it done so fast if they weren't 1:44:51.520 --> 1:44:54.880 there kind of attitude. It was really fun. But I 1:44:54.920 --> 1:44:59.800 had a really really great six days of hanging out 1:44:59.800 --> 1:45:02.240 with you. Well it's like I told you guys that 1:45:02.320 --> 1:45:04.320 before we left. You know, it's fun to hunt with 1:45:04.360 --> 1:45:08.880 guys that are willing and game hunters to do what 1:45:09.040 --> 1:45:13.880 it takes to hunt in a fair chase style. Uh, 1:45:13.880 --> 1:45:16.160 and know that there's always a chance that you might 1:45:16.200 --> 1:45:20.680 not find that uh dream buck that you imagined that 1:45:20.760 --> 1:45:24.439 you were going to see behind every tree. I think 1:45:24.479 --> 1:45:27.240 you honest, And I've talked earlier about the you know, 1:45:27.280 --> 1:45:30.280 the tough winner, and that there was always that possibility. 1:45:30.360 --> 1:45:33.480 We hadn't really seen what what we were gonna experience, 1:45:34.000 --> 1:45:36.519 but what it became apparent and I have to be honest, 1:45:36.560 --> 1:45:39.640 I was nervous knowing that you guys had you know, 1:45:40.280 --> 1:45:44.240 eight eight points. That's a lot of points, UH had 1:45:44.240 --> 1:45:47.080 taken and cash in on those to come and hunt 1:45:47.120 --> 1:45:50.879 with us this year. Uh, maybe it'd be a disaster 1:45:50.960 --> 1:45:53.519 that we wouldn't see any dear that it was. It 1:45:53.560 --> 1:45:58.960 was gonna be that tough, But you guys made it 1:45:59.160 --> 1:46:02.479 worthwhile to with because you guys had good game eyes, 1:46:02.880 --> 1:46:07.320 which improves our ability of saying, Okay, we know the train. 1:46:07.439 --> 1:46:09.599 You guys you know may have seen that buck. Now 1:46:10.320 --> 1:46:11.840 we know how a little bit how to get to that. 1:46:12.479 --> 1:46:16.439 Those are things that to me, the experience of the 1:46:16.520 --> 1:46:20.000 hunter that comes and hunts with us is is overall, 1:46:20.439 --> 1:46:23.439 whether it's in camp, whether it's on horseback, because the 1:46:23.479 --> 1:46:26.040 more you can enjoy the horseback ride, the more you'll 1:46:26.080 --> 1:46:29.519 enjoy the overall hunt, because uh, it's no fun if 1:46:29.560 --> 1:46:33.080 if if you're just if you got you know, puckered up, 1:46:33.120 --> 1:46:40.280 but in the saddle thinking thinking when this ride gonna 1:46:40.280 --> 1:46:43.240 be over? You know, I I to me it it 1:46:43.400 --> 1:46:46.439 just I could empathize because I knew I grew up 1:46:46.520 --> 1:46:48.680 on a horse and the first time I went with 1:46:48.800 --> 1:46:51.280 Dad hunting as a fourteen year old boy and we 1:46:51.280 --> 1:46:56.440 were traversing across a sidehill that was slick and snowy, 1:46:56.520 --> 1:46:58.719 and my horse slipped. It just frightened me to death. 1:46:59.720 --> 1:47:02.120 And that Wow, I don't know if i've it's not 1:47:02.280 --> 1:47:05.240 very comfortable scenario. Yeah, it's been a lot time wondered 1:47:05.320 --> 1:47:07.320 what's like to have one of those things roll over 1:47:07.400 --> 1:47:11.240 on you. But you had you rolled over on you. 1:47:11.240 --> 1:47:13.439 You were all right in the creek. Gotta get out 1:47:13.479 --> 1:47:16.360 of the way. Yeah, seth, what you got You got 1:47:16.400 --> 1:47:21.600 a good concluder, even bad conclue. I don't care. Um, 1:47:21.640 --> 1:47:24.720 I don't know if I'm quite a horseman yet. No, 1:47:24.800 --> 1:47:27.880 you're allergic to horses stuff the whole time, says the 1:47:27.920 --> 1:47:31.360 eyes are water and his nose is running. Um, it's 1:47:31.360 --> 1:47:34.960 like being out on a boat with honest. After this week, 1:47:35.000 --> 1:47:38.120 I respect horses in a way that I've never I've 1:47:38.200 --> 1:47:41.240 never done before. Um, I've always kind of like just 1:47:41.320 --> 1:47:44.640 rode him off because I'm, you know, always miserable when 1:47:44.640 --> 1:47:46.600 I'm around them. Grow Let's thing. You grew up on 1:47:46.640 --> 1:47:48.839 a farm, though, but you guys raise hogs and whatnot. 1:47:49.200 --> 1:47:51.280 We had horses too when I was younger. Just I 1:47:51.360 --> 1:47:53.320 never like, I don't know, I just never pay attention 1:47:53.360 --> 1:47:56.000 to never drawn to him. Yeah, I never drawn to him. Um, 1:47:56.040 --> 1:47:58.680 But watching Landing and Stewart do what they do with 1:47:58.760 --> 1:48:02.519 horses and and just like the overall experience this week, 1:48:03.360 --> 1:48:05.720 um makes everybody want to be a cowboy on that. 1:48:06.400 --> 1:48:08.960 Oh yeah, I was like riding out being like, where 1:48:09.000 --> 1:48:13.600 would I keep a horse? Yeah? Seems like you know what, 1:48:13.880 --> 1:48:17.240 maybe I'll keep one out in Maths place. Honest, I 1:48:17.240 --> 1:48:19.000 asked you the same thing on the way out today 1:48:19.240 --> 1:48:24.519 we were riding MI. So you think you'd ever get horses? Right? Yeah, first, 1:48:24.520 --> 1:48:29.040 I I'm just gonna start with some chaps and a hat. 1:48:29.160 --> 1:48:31.400 I mentioned getting a horse and keeping the mats, and yeah, 1:48:31.400 --> 1:48:33.240 it's like, oh yeah, just let it go feral. And 1:48:33.320 --> 1:48:36.160 I'm like, probably probably that I'd get kicked in the 1:48:36.160 --> 1:48:38.080 head by it and sell it. But if you just 1:48:38.120 --> 1:48:40.040 weared the cat, the hat and the shaps, you'll be 1:48:40.040 --> 1:48:42.640 considered a drug store cowboy until you've been through and 1:48:42.720 --> 1:48:45.960 had that hat banged up a few times and stepped 1:48:45.960 --> 1:48:48.920 on him. Well, that's partly not true. His land And 1:48:49.000 --> 1:48:51.840 was the saying that he does even he wears his 1:48:51.880 --> 1:48:55.639 baseball cap out riding horses and doesn't put his cowboy 1:48:55.640 --> 1:48:59.840 head on until he goes to buy a horse there's 1:49:00.280 --> 1:49:03.599 or a cow, yeah, or a cow. Those hats don't 1:49:03.680 --> 1:49:08.360 come cheap. These chaps that Stewart's got it on pretty 1:49:08.400 --> 1:49:12.559 nice here, Stewarts. And they're muddy too, they're still muddy. 1:49:13.320 --> 1:49:15.960 That's horse power mud. But it could be a little 1:49:15.960 --> 1:49:18.920 blood on there too. But uh, you know, all of 1:49:19.320 --> 1:49:21.760 the stuff that we experience, you know, you're you're realizing 1:49:21.840 --> 1:49:25.320 through the years for us. Uh, I was raised on 1:49:25.360 --> 1:49:28.280 a ranch like cowboys, a lot out on the range, 1:49:28.640 --> 1:49:31.160 but most of my cowboy was done without a hat 1:49:31.439 --> 1:49:35.000 and with tennis shoes because I had an image of 1:49:35.000 --> 1:49:37.120 a cowboy, you know, because of what I had seen. 1:49:37.400 --> 1:49:39.400 Some of the cowboy images I had weren't the kind 1:49:39.439 --> 1:49:41.720 of heroes that I you know, there are a lot 1:49:41.720 --> 1:49:45.360 of great cowboys that I could probably call heroes, but 1:49:45.479 --> 1:49:48.679 back in my day, of people that I observed weren't 1:49:49.280 --> 1:49:54.840 weren't cowboy heroes. Uh. And the dress didn't impress me. Oh, 1:49:54.880 --> 1:49:58.920 I got you associated with reality rather than the mythics exactly. 1:49:58.960 --> 1:50:01.680 And so you know, it wasn't until I got out 1:50:01.680 --> 1:50:04.960 of high school that I, you know, really engaged and 1:50:05.120 --> 1:50:07.519 wearing the Wrangler pants all the time. Found out they 1:50:07.520 --> 1:50:10.880 were comfortable, they wear good and uh cowboy boots were 1:50:10.880 --> 1:50:14.479 comfortable and and uh, but I like a hat in 1:50:14.520 --> 1:50:17.840 the mountains because it is a it that brim sticks 1:50:17.840 --> 1:50:20.920 out and it becomes my uh you know, my test 1:50:21.400 --> 1:50:24.840 against pine bows. If I feel pine bows starting to 1:50:24.880 --> 1:50:27.200 hit my hat, I know to duck my head. Instead 1:50:27.200 --> 1:50:28.680 of a hat band, you leave your head lamp on 1:50:28.720 --> 1:50:32.639 there all day long. That true. I forget to put 1:50:32.640 --> 1:50:34.920 it in my pack because you know we're leaving in 1:50:34.920 --> 1:50:36.599 the dark and we'll go headed home in the dark. 1:50:36.680 --> 1:50:41.400 So and in a rainstorm where those hats sure keep 1:50:41.479 --> 1:50:43.360 that rain from running down here that in the pine 1:50:43.360 --> 1:50:45.120 needles they don't get down. The back of your neck 1:50:45.200 --> 1:50:48.320 is easily snow too. I have some epic photos of 1:50:48.360 --> 1:50:53.400 Stewart in a snowstorm, just snow drying neck, snow laying 1:50:53.439 --> 1:50:55.120 on top of his hat. I can't wait to get 1:50:55.160 --> 1:51:02.400 home those photos of anywody got Oh man, we had 1:51:02.520 --> 1:51:05.360 Tyler and I got to ride a bucking blondie who 1:51:05.360 --> 1:51:11.280 are attached at the hip figuratively, and uh, we got 1:51:11.360 --> 1:51:14.639 our horsemanship marit badge. I felt at least an honorary 1:51:14.680 --> 1:51:17.800 horsemanship Marrit Badge. The day that you guys left us 1:51:18.640 --> 1:51:21.679 hunting in that zone to go and where you guys 1:51:21.720 --> 1:51:25.880 found your buck, remember that. And so we got well 1:51:25.880 --> 1:51:27.800 we knew on radios at some point in the day, 1:51:27.920 --> 1:51:29.439 but then we got there and there's a little note 1:51:29.479 --> 1:51:34.320 in my gun scabbard and said that's where it was. Yeah, yeah, 1:51:34.320 --> 1:51:36.960 because that's where I was gonna probably go to first. 1:51:37.360 --> 1:51:39.400 But you had an us. There's a lot less horses 1:51:39.400 --> 1:51:43.880 than where. Yes, yeah, but I said, we've gone up 1:51:43.920 --> 1:51:47.760 the mountain and you boys get back after dark on 1:51:47.800 --> 1:51:50.320 your own, and uh, let us know what you're up 1:51:50.360 --> 1:51:55.800 to landing, And uh it was so we knew we 1:51:55.800 --> 1:51:59.240 had h ride by ourselves. So we left a little 1:51:59.240 --> 1:52:02.080 bit earlier than I probably would have if Landing was there. 1:52:02.080 --> 1:52:06.400 We had maybe thirty minutes of light left, and uh, 1:52:06.520 --> 1:52:11.240 it was snowing a little bit. It was quiet like 1:52:11.280 --> 1:52:14.720 it is after a fresh snow, and just you know, 1:52:15.160 --> 1:52:17.840 only two horses and just we didn't talk and there 1:52:17.880 --> 1:52:19.880 was no headlamps and we kind of rode and it 1:52:20.040 --> 1:52:23.559 just darkness slowly felt. I mean that's why you call 1:52:23.560 --> 1:52:27.360 it Magic Mountain. I mean, just like an amazing like 1:52:27.880 --> 1:52:31.760 people pay ten thousand dollars to experience that. You know, 1:52:32.120 --> 1:52:34.160 it was probably on the way in. I think it 1:52:34.160 --> 1:52:36.200 took us two hours. I bet you we got back 1:52:36.200 --> 1:52:38.360 to camp and just over an hour because when they 1:52:38.360 --> 1:52:41.360 go back to camp, they're using third gear, not first. Yeah, 1:52:41.400 --> 1:52:45.000 they know they're headed back, man, But man, was it 1:52:45.120 --> 1:52:48.559 cool in the darkness. Well again, fresh snow and maybe 1:52:48.600 --> 1:52:50.880 a touch of moonlight coming take that same route out 1:52:50.880 --> 1:52:54.639 of there we were coming around. I think we still 1:52:54.680 --> 1:52:59.559 had the lake near us. We're on a pretty open 1:52:59.600 --> 1:53:01.799 hillside and we're kind of coming out of the timber 1:53:01.920 --> 1:53:05.759 and maybe only fift twenty yards away. There's a small 1:53:05.920 --> 1:53:08.960 cow elk standing on the trail facing us, and the 1:53:09.040 --> 1:53:11.479 horse didn't see her quite as soon as I did. 1:53:11.520 --> 1:53:13.760 If she took like three more steps and then stopped 1:53:14.040 --> 1:53:15.720 and they just kind of had a stare off, and 1:53:15.760 --> 1:53:18.880 finally the cow elk spooked. After that, Blondie was not 1:53:19.040 --> 1:53:21.040 taking the lead anymore. I had been in the lead, 1:53:21.400 --> 1:53:23.400 and she went up the hill and then just stood 1:53:23.400 --> 1:53:25.400 there and looked over her shoulder and Bud had to 1:53:25.439 --> 1:53:30.240 take the lead after that. Yeah, um, but yeah, it 1:53:30.280 --> 1:53:34.040 was it was a special evening. Special ride out. Um 1:53:34.640 --> 1:53:36.760 so yeah, man, I mean like you were saying, what 1:53:36.880 --> 1:53:41.439 a special experience. I think that's it's it's an iconic 1:53:41.600 --> 1:53:48.440 hunt to go into the mountains ten miles on horseback, um, 1:53:48.640 --> 1:53:53.360 hunt off of horseback. When you read about it, people right, novels, 1:53:54.360 --> 1:53:57.439 you know, many hunting magazines have stories of him and 1:53:57.560 --> 1:54:00.320 every fall about the adventure. We just did it, you know, 1:54:00.400 --> 1:54:03.360 And if you want to do one with some capable 1:54:03.640 --> 1:54:08.920 and trustworthy outfitters that have their program tight, these guys 1:54:09.080 --> 1:54:11.280 be the ones to do it with. I agree, Steve, 1:54:11.320 --> 1:54:17.320 can I say a couple of so I didn't, Oh no, no. 1:54:21.200 --> 1:54:23.320 I felt like you know when somebody invites you to 1:54:23.439 --> 1:54:27.800 their home and you know, the shoes come off and 1:54:27.840 --> 1:54:30.320 you're just you're comfortable, and maybe you're commenting on the 1:54:30.360 --> 1:54:32.840 taxidermy on the wall. You go into the garage and 1:54:32.880 --> 1:54:35.080 see what they have, and you just you feel like 1:54:35.240 --> 1:54:37.120 they just open up to you. That's how I felt. 1:54:37.360 --> 1:54:40.880 I think with Stewart and Landing, it was like, especially 1:54:40.960 --> 1:54:42.760 for Stewart because of all the years and even Landing 1:54:42.800 --> 1:54:45.480 since what going up there since you were four is 1:54:45.680 --> 1:54:48.480 I mean every every tree. I mean we even commented 1:54:48.480 --> 1:54:50.480 on the way out today on the horses. How we 1:54:50.520 --> 1:54:52.800 went in there and we'd looked on you know, the computer, 1:54:53.000 --> 1:54:56.080 different things you know, on AC and Google, you know, uh, 1:54:56.280 --> 1:54:58.480 you know, Earth or whatever. But we went in and 1:54:58.520 --> 1:55:00.520 came out felt like we knew that so much better 1:55:00.560 --> 1:55:03.680 after a week. Imagine thirty years or you know, twenty 1:55:03.760 --> 1:55:05.240 years or whatever it is to see it. And I 1:55:05.240 --> 1:55:07.520 felt like we got a view kind of into their 1:55:07.560 --> 1:55:10.400 living room, you know of them. Well tonight we got here, 1:55:10.480 --> 1:55:15.160 you remember the restaurant was closed. Yeah, we we got 1:55:15.160 --> 1:55:20.040 here after nine pm. Within and both their wives were there. Yeah, 1:55:20.280 --> 1:55:22.240 pancakes and bacon, all those things. But then to go 1:55:22.320 --> 1:55:24.400 up there too, I felt like it was such this 1:55:24.560 --> 1:55:27.880 they have this pride and all those rocks and the 1:55:28.040 --> 1:55:30.720 you know, the you know, the crooked sky and all 1:55:30.720 --> 1:55:33.040 those different things, and that I felt like they had 1:55:33.080 --> 1:55:35.240 this like they just opened it up. And and I 1:55:35.280 --> 1:55:37.600 think it was an honor for us to be able 1:55:37.600 --> 1:55:39.760 to be brought into something that was so special for them. 1:55:40.400 --> 1:55:43.680 For me anyhow, Okay, you guys get to do years, 1:55:43.680 --> 1:55:46.840 but one of you. I hate to tell what a 1:55:46.880 --> 1:55:49.600 man what his concluder needs to be, but you should 1:55:49.600 --> 1:55:51.480 tell people how to come and find you, the best 1:55:51.480 --> 1:55:55.000 way to come find you and like and what you offer. 1:55:55.280 --> 1:55:58.480 You know, what kind of hunts you guys do well? UM. 1:55:59.040 --> 1:56:04.840 Obviously all guests go on on the beginning that, UM, 1:56:05.000 --> 1:56:07.520 we have an Instagram page, we have a Facebook page, 1:56:07.880 --> 1:56:10.640 We've got a website up, UM that we'd invite you 1:56:10.680 --> 1:56:14.400 to go check out. UM or we are a little 1:56:14.400 --> 1:56:17.080 bit lacking in some of that stuff. UM, but we're 1:56:17.120 --> 1:56:20.320 trying to make it better. UM. But we would encourage that. 1:56:20.440 --> 1:56:22.200 We do like to talk with people on the phone 1:56:22.280 --> 1:56:24.360 so we can be very up front and direct and 1:56:24.360 --> 1:56:26.240 tell him kind of what we got. So you know, 1:56:26.360 --> 1:56:30.160 emails work. We don't mind correspondence through emails. We'd encourage that. 1:56:30.720 --> 1:56:32.680 But you know, give us a call. We're not afraid 1:56:32.720 --> 1:56:35.120 to spend time talking with you, talking, you know, and 1:56:35.160 --> 1:56:37.120 if you got a buck tag that you've been putting 1:56:37.120 --> 1:56:40.160 in for you know, eight years, you know we're gonna 1:56:40.200 --> 1:56:41.720 be honest with you if we feel like it's gonna 1:56:41.720 --> 1:56:45.160 be a good year. UM. But ELK, a guy could 1:56:45.160 --> 1:56:48.680 come on ELK on two to three points, two to 1:56:48.720 --> 1:56:52.440 three points and and we saw I'm gonna interrupt and 1:56:52.480 --> 1:56:55.320 just mentioned like if you had two or three points 1:56:55.400 --> 1:57:03.600 right now for Wyoming, I'd really recommend coming we saw Yeah, yeah, 1:57:03.640 --> 1:57:07.320 I'm I got a boatload of outpoints, but I'm I 1:57:07.400 --> 1:57:14.080 know it's pretty cool, really neat bulls. You know one 1:57:14.080 --> 1:57:17.440 bull we got on videos three fifty plus. I mean, 1:57:17.440 --> 1:57:20.400 there's some really good genetics there. Our age group of 1:57:20.440 --> 1:57:22.440 our bulls is where they needs to be. Our bowl 1:57:22.480 --> 1:57:25.720 of cow ratio is really high. UM. But you know 1:57:25.800 --> 1:57:27.800 that's the thing that you know, as an outfit or 1:57:27.840 --> 1:57:30.560 we hope to be able to provide an expert opinion 1:57:31.160 --> 1:57:33.520 for people to be able to spend their money as 1:57:33.840 --> 1:57:36.920 as best as possible. Um. You know, so if they 1:57:36.960 --> 1:57:39.600 come and hunt with us, they know that their best 1:57:39.640 --> 1:57:42.200 interest is going to be held within it within us 1:57:42.560 --> 1:57:44.600 to say, hey, you know, this year is a good year. 1:57:44.640 --> 1:57:46.960 We're gonna do everything we can to get you because 1:57:46.960 --> 1:57:50.480 we know, you know, money doesn't always come easy for people, UM, 1:57:50.560 --> 1:57:53.840 as it hasn't for us UM growing up. And so 1:57:54.360 --> 1:57:56.160 that's one of the things we want people to feel 1:57:56.280 --> 1:57:59.520 confident in is that you know, money is really not 1:57:59.720 --> 1:58:02.720 our motive. UM. And so the way we manage the 1:58:02.800 --> 1:58:05.880 area we try to not over over hunt. UM. We 1:58:06.000 --> 1:58:09.400 try to be very good stewards of the area that 1:58:09.400 --> 1:58:12.480 we hunt to give people a good experience, and that's 1:58:12.640 --> 1:58:16.000 ultimately what we try to pursue as an outfitter UM 1:58:16.120 --> 1:58:18.520 and I guess that's what you could say we live 1:58:18.600 --> 1:58:22.920 by UM. Money does not drive what we do. It's 1:58:22.960 --> 1:58:26.040 the love of giving people the opportunity to experience, to 1:58:26.080 --> 1:58:30.520 fulfill dreams that they've had. You guys were very clear 1:58:30.560 --> 1:58:34.600 with us about what uh, what you expect and what 1:58:34.640 --> 1:58:40.160 you've seen, and there was nothing but pleasant surprises. Man, Well, 1:58:40.360 --> 1:58:42.880 we appreciated what hunting with you guys. I think that 1:58:43.000 --> 1:58:44.960 was one of the things that was most impressive to 1:58:45.000 --> 1:58:47.640 me was you know, obviously you guys know how to glass, 1:58:47.680 --> 1:58:49.720 you guys know how to hunt. That was very apparent, 1:58:50.200 --> 1:58:52.120 But it's the way you interact and the way you 1:58:52.160 --> 1:58:55.360 treat people. You know. We we felt, you know, very 1:58:55.440 --> 1:58:58.640 much UM at ease with you guys. And so, you know, 1:58:58.640 --> 1:59:01.000 I had a lot of people ask, you know, what 1:59:01.040 --> 1:59:02.720 was it like to hunt with them? What was it like? 1:59:02.800 --> 1:59:05.480 What are they like as people? You know, obviously people 1:59:05.480 --> 1:59:08.760 portray a certain way when they're on the video, you know, 1:59:08.960 --> 1:59:11.960 what are they like in person? And I never felt 1:59:12.000 --> 1:59:14.720 from a single one of the crew any kind of 1:59:14.760 --> 1:59:17.800 look down upon because of your status, you know, because 1:59:17.800 --> 1:59:21.760 of where you are at um in your life and 1:59:21.800 --> 1:59:25.520 what your your social status is. Would never felt that 1:59:25.600 --> 1:59:27.640 from any of you guys, and so we appreciated being 1:59:27.640 --> 1:59:29.520 able to hunt with you. It was a great experience 1:59:29.520 --> 1:59:31.560 that we learned, you know, things as we watched and 1:59:31.560 --> 1:59:34.000 observed how you hunted and and and how you went 1:59:34.080 --> 1:59:36.480 about things. You know, the little butt pad, I think 1:59:36.520 --> 1:59:40.160 we're gonna take that and adopt that. I mean, it's 1:59:40.640 --> 1:59:44.520 it's one of those things that if you guys can find, um, 1:59:44.640 --> 1:59:47.200 if you guys can find half of a ridge rest, 1:59:47.520 --> 1:59:50.240 you guys can hold on. If you get half of 1:59:50.320 --> 1:59:52.880 ridge rest each have two butt pads. Well that's what 1:59:52.960 --> 1:59:55.920 we want because I mean, those fine bows they only 1:59:55.920 --> 1:59:59.400 work for so long. So that was one thing we watched. 1:59:59.720 --> 2:00:01.240 You know, we do spend a lot of time on 2:00:01.280 --> 2:00:04.840 our butts glass and that was something we saw from 2:00:04.840 --> 2:00:06.680 you guys that thought, you know, that's probably a worse 2:00:06.680 --> 2:00:10.320 while thing to do. Especially yes, and this time of year, 2:00:10.440 --> 2:00:12.160 you never know what the weather's gonna be like. And 2:00:12.280 --> 2:00:17.800 mine doubles as a napping pad, that's right, Stuart. Do 2:00:17.800 --> 2:00:21.040 you have any final observations, well, any any kind of 2:00:21.080 --> 2:00:23.640 thing doesn't matter. Well, for me, it was it was 2:00:24.320 --> 2:00:28.200 just a fun experience with you. You guys like to hunt, 2:00:28.400 --> 2:00:31.240 enjoy the outdoors. I I find more pleasure and I 2:00:31.520 --> 2:00:35.640 I find my friendship. This kindled quicker with people that 2:00:35.920 --> 2:00:39.480 appreciate that, like I love it and appreciate it. I 2:00:39.800 --> 2:00:44.040 never felt like at any point was the honey area 2:00:44.480 --> 2:00:49.400 um overrun by the thought of I can throw my 2:00:49.480 --> 2:00:54.440 trash or my sacks anything, because I and I've made 2:00:54.440 --> 2:00:57.320 it clear with hunters in the past that and maybe 2:00:57.360 --> 2:00:59.040 it was the older generation because I had to get 2:00:59.040 --> 2:01:01.680 after my own dad to do you that you're saying 2:01:01.720 --> 2:01:03.760 people would like to put their like a little sandwich bag. 2:01:03.800 --> 2:01:08.280 You under put the sandwich bag or there might Back 2:01:08.360 --> 2:01:10.840 in the early days when my dad guide it, they 2:01:10.920 --> 2:01:13.400 used to put out a little cana. I don't know, 2:01:13.520 --> 2:01:18.480 some these a little cans of juice, and uh. I 2:01:18.640 --> 2:01:21.800 remember hearing some of that generation say, well, it's just 2:01:21.880 --> 2:01:24.000 a monument to what you know, the people have sat 2:01:24.080 --> 2:01:26.280 down on this mountain before. I mean, I don't want 2:01:26.360 --> 2:01:29.360 that kind of monument. I wanted to be pristine because 2:01:29.360 --> 2:01:32.440 I often find myself thinking about when I'm on top 2:01:32.520 --> 2:01:36.000 of a ridge looking across the expanse of the mountain range, 2:01:36.480 --> 2:01:39.480 you know, ahead what may have been like as a 2:01:40.200 --> 2:01:44.280 as an early explorer of that country, laying ice for 2:01:44.360 --> 2:01:48.720 the first time on that land. I think about it 2:01:48.840 --> 2:01:51.800 often and and it it causes me to to be 2:01:51.840 --> 2:01:54.880 a little bit nostalgic in my thought process. And so 2:01:55.080 --> 2:01:59.320 people that respect and have an enjoyment, I have a 2:01:59.760 --> 2:02:02.800 you know, my friendship is kindled right away in my 2:02:02.960 --> 2:02:07.840 interest in your own lives. And lastly, is it And 2:02:07.920 --> 2:02:09.960 I've said this to Landing many times, and I learned 2:02:10.000 --> 2:02:12.920 this a lot from my uncle, who he said, we 2:02:13.040 --> 2:02:16.080 want to do good in the world, and I think 2:02:16.160 --> 2:02:18.760 if we can, we can do good in the world 2:02:18.840 --> 2:02:23.200 by showing people the beauties that God created for man 2:02:23.880 --> 2:02:27.840 to enjoy, which we did. I think that's that to me, 2:02:28.040 --> 2:02:31.000 is one of the greatest fulfillments of what I get 2:02:31.080 --> 2:02:33.440 out of it. My wife says, why do you like 2:02:33.640 --> 2:02:36.800 it so much? It's so hard, You're late nights and 2:02:36.880 --> 2:02:40.120 early mornings, it's cold, it's stormy, And I said, it's 2:02:40.200 --> 2:02:44.200 hard to explain. But when I share the view of 2:02:44.320 --> 2:02:48.680 a beautiful scene upon a mountain under a horse or 2:02:49.000 --> 2:02:50.880 not under the horse. Hopefully we're on top to horse, 2:02:51.280 --> 2:02:53.240 but on top of a horse, a good horse. And 2:02:53.480 --> 2:02:56.080 and uh, you're just saying, man, well, look at that 2:02:57.080 --> 2:03:00.240 landscape or look at that uh you know, look at 2:03:00.280 --> 2:03:04.160 that big bull, beautiful big bull, or the sunset all 2:03:04.280 --> 2:03:07.400 that stuff. For me to enjoy that with another person 2:03:07.480 --> 2:03:12.000 that enjoys that. Uh, it's like we were kindred spirits 2:03:12.240 --> 2:03:15.800 that we we must have liked the same things, you know, 2:03:16.120 --> 2:03:18.080 before we ever landed on earth, so that we would 2:03:18.120 --> 2:03:20.280 have this opportunity to cross pass and enjoy it again. 2:03:21.000 --> 2:03:23.560 Because to me, this is uh, that's what it's all about, 2:03:23.800 --> 2:03:29.240 is enjoying what's before us. I guess early on, you know, 2:03:29.760 --> 2:03:32.720 as a as an outfitter and as a guide. Uh, 2:03:33.000 --> 2:03:35.640 it was tough for me to to not get an animal, 2:03:35.960 --> 2:03:38.600 you know, because my first several years I never missed. 2:03:38.640 --> 2:03:41.040 I I was sure I was gonna get my game 2:03:41.080 --> 2:03:43.920 as soon as the start of guiding that quit. I've 2:03:44.320 --> 2:03:46.880 probably in in thirty years, I've probably only killed maybe 2:03:48.080 --> 2:03:51.960 four or five animals. Never asked you about the last time, 2:03:52.040 --> 2:03:54.600 yell he says about decade ago or somebody. It's just 2:03:54.800 --> 2:03:58.160 it's just one of those things that Now, the fulfillment 2:03:58.360 --> 2:04:03.000 is being able to share what I know to hopefully 2:04:03.040 --> 2:04:07.360 be successful in getting somebody an opportunity to fulfill a dream, 2:04:08.320 --> 2:04:13.000 to to experience something that becomes a memory burned deep 2:04:13.040 --> 2:04:16.640 in their inside it says, hey, that was worth doing. 2:04:17.840 --> 2:04:22.760 One thing that illustrates, uh, you guys capacity for reverence. Uh, 2:04:22.880 --> 2:04:25.320 that I thought was quite impressive was what you went 2:04:25.480 --> 2:04:28.280 through to be able to go to church with your 2:04:28.320 --> 2:04:32.960 families on Sunday, to hunt all day and then after 2:04:33.120 --> 2:04:37.680 dark strike off on horseback to ride seven miles seven 2:04:37.800 --> 2:04:40.600 miles and then drive I don't know how many how 2:04:40.720 --> 2:04:43.960 long you got home at three am to go to 2:04:44.080 --> 2:04:46.280 church and your families then come riding back up into 2:04:46.320 --> 2:04:49.360 the mountains. Well, you know, we were a lot of 2:04:49.400 --> 2:04:51.040 people don't want to go a mile down the road. 2:04:53.320 --> 2:04:56.360 You know, we years ago we established the policy that 2:04:56.680 --> 2:04:59.240 we try to rest our horses and our guide just 2:04:59.400 --> 2:05:02.680 much on the side the day, just to help revive them, 2:05:02.720 --> 2:05:05.280 help them to stay in good spirits. And and we've 2:05:05.320 --> 2:05:07.840 even found that that hunters that have come with us 2:05:08.200 --> 2:05:10.320 may initially think I'm not sure I want to be 2:05:10.360 --> 2:05:13.400 able to hunt on Sunday. When they've had that break, 2:05:13.760 --> 2:05:16.320 say it's there that their hunt takes a Sunday in 2:05:16.320 --> 2:05:20.280 the middle of there, Uh, their hunt that they're thinking, 2:05:20.480 --> 2:05:23.000 we're grateful to heal up a few saddle sores and 2:05:23.480 --> 2:05:25.880 and it just revived the physically, and then they're they're 2:05:25.920 --> 2:05:28.120 they're ready for another day. But the reality of it 2:05:28.240 --> 2:05:31.200 is that we feel like that, uh, that heavy Father's 2:05:31.720 --> 2:05:34.640 been really good to us. Um. We've had very few 2:05:34.840 --> 2:05:37.640 incidents with people being injured on the mountain, and I 2:05:37.680 --> 2:05:40.520 think it's because we try hard to to reverence that 2:05:40.720 --> 2:05:44.040 day for us and and uh the back country and 2:05:44.080 --> 2:05:48.280 the animals and and so it's yet it's sometimes seems 2:05:48.320 --> 2:05:51.400 like a sacrifice, but it's always been a wonderful blessing 2:05:51.480 --> 2:05:53.200 to to be able to get out and and and 2:05:53.360 --> 2:05:56.320 refocus on some things that really are most important. That's 2:05:56.360 --> 2:06:00.040 the family. Uh. And even if even it's only for 2:06:00.760 --> 2:06:03.520 half a dozen hours and then back in to something 2:06:03.520 --> 2:06:05.960 that we can you know, we're ready, we're ready to 2:06:06.000 --> 2:06:08.720 be geared up to do it again. Uh. So it's 2:06:08.880 --> 2:06:11.680 it's it's a fun thing. Oh yeah, I didn't. I didn't. Yeah, 2:06:11.960 --> 2:06:13.840 I didn't find it any kind of annoyance. I thought 2:06:13.840 --> 2:06:17.480 it was I thought it was admirable. Well, we we 2:06:17.560 --> 2:06:20.160 appreciate that those are things to us that mean a 2:06:20.200 --> 2:06:23.360 lot to us. Uh and uh as I sensed us. 2:06:23.400 --> 2:06:25.760 We've talked with you guys on the mountain, which is 2:06:25.800 --> 2:06:28.720 a fun thing about how you you know your families. 2:06:29.360 --> 2:06:32.320 The family is where the lasting happening is really will 2:06:32.400 --> 2:06:35.160 come over over and above any of the other stuff 2:06:35.240 --> 2:06:40.240 that that we may you know, achieve in life. Yeah, 2:06:40.800 --> 2:06:44.080 you know it's good in in Uh. You guys pulled 2:06:44.080 --> 2:06:48.200 some long days and it and it is you you 2:06:48.280 --> 2:06:50.840 come out, you guys. But I guess sometimes you guys pulled. 2:06:50.920 --> 2:06:53.160 You guys pulled twenty hour days there there they'll end 2:06:53.240 --> 2:06:55.160 up with twenty hours and you you know, you you 2:06:55.240 --> 2:06:57.200 come down a little jaded, you lose a little weight, 2:06:57.920 --> 2:06:59.480 but it doesn't take you long and put that weight 2:06:59.560 --> 2:07:01.440 back and you know when you get hold. But let 2:07:01.480 --> 2:07:03.840 me also comment though, because they're saying all these things 2:07:03.880 --> 2:07:06.320 that when Stewart and I did go to recover my buck, 2:07:07.200 --> 2:07:10.840 he did put a rifle in his scabbard and I said, oh, Stuart, 2:07:10.840 --> 2:07:12.520 what are you doing? I said, you never know if 2:07:12.520 --> 2:07:15.640 we're gonna jump a big old buck up there, are 2:07:15.720 --> 2:07:17.440 we gonna go tell Steve and you're honest, and he 2:07:17.520 --> 2:07:21.120 just gotta gives me this smirk, so he still got 2:07:21.200 --> 2:07:26.920 it into he said, I got a tag. That's good. Well, guys, 2:07:27.000 --> 2:07:30.320 thanks so much, um for taking us out. Thanks for 2:07:30.360 --> 2:07:32.080 coming on the show. I know you've been you you 2:07:32.160 --> 2:07:33.720 put in a very long week this week, so I'm 2:07:33.720 --> 2:07:35.200 glad he could come join us on the show. But 2:07:35.280 --> 2:07:38.040 I was I was very excited to kind of share 2:07:38.120 --> 2:07:41.600 some of your perspectives in the details of your business 2:07:41.680 --> 2:07:45.080 with with our listeners. So I know quite often people, um, 2:07:46.080 --> 2:07:48.440 you know, who don't have a lot of experience will ask, like, 2:07:48.600 --> 2:07:49.920 what would be a good way to kind of dip 2:07:50.000 --> 2:07:52.600 my toes into this whole thing, and it's it's nice 2:07:52.600 --> 2:07:56.000 to have found um, not that you, but some other 2:07:56.040 --> 2:07:59.240 people too. Uh guides. We know that where you'd be like, 2:07:59.440 --> 2:08:03.480 that would be a worthwhile Uh, that'd be a worthwhile 2:08:03.600 --> 2:08:05.680 venture to go on to hook up with you guys 2:08:05.720 --> 2:08:08.200 on a trip. So I encourage people to come find you. 2:08:09.200 --> 2:08:12.320 We appreciate that that that means a lot coming from 2:08:12.400 --> 2:08:15.120 guys that know how to hunt, and it's fun, Like say, 2:08:15.640 --> 2:08:17.720 it's fun to hunt with guys that like to hunt 2:08:17.760 --> 2:08:19.840 and know how to hunt. Yeah, it really does. We 2:08:20.000 --> 2:08:22.600 we learned from you, like to say, the butt pad idea. 2:08:24.120 --> 2:08:27.800 We call man a debt factor. Coming back was it? 2:08:28.040 --> 2:08:30.720 What night was it was? It was Sunday night, coming 2:08:30.760 --> 2:08:34.520 back in. I had seen a little pad sleeping pad 2:08:34.640 --> 2:08:39.720 that fell off somebody's back back, probably during the archery 2:08:39.880 --> 2:08:43.000 d and I've ridden past the time or two, you know, 2:08:43.280 --> 2:08:46.920 several times. But after seeing what you guys, I thought, 2:08:46.920 --> 2:08:48.760 I told Land and I said, hey, pick that up, book, 2:08:48.800 --> 2:08:55.320 cut that up. So a last but not least if 2:08:55.400 --> 2:09:03.280 you had to raise our group as her horseman, not individually, 2:09:03.320 --> 2:09:05.240 because I want you to point out one guy that 2:09:05.360 --> 2:09:08.400 really sucked on a horse. Yeah. Yeah, and don't cut 2:09:08.440 --> 2:09:10.480 the fact to be four days to figure out how 2:09:10.520 --> 2:09:16.600 to tie a quick release. Not as a group. Yeah, 2:09:17.280 --> 2:09:20.840 you can be one to ten. Yeah. I would say 2:09:20.920 --> 2:09:23.960 that you started out probably in the three to four range. 2:09:24.600 --> 2:09:27.200 That's pretty good places. And I think by the end 2:09:27.240 --> 2:09:29.400 I think you were, you'd gained probably another three or 2:09:29.440 --> 2:09:35.080 four points that I did. I you know, obviously you 2:09:35.200 --> 2:09:37.280 got used to the horse that you were riding. You 2:09:37.320 --> 2:09:39.720 were comfortable, and I thought it would be fun if 2:09:39.720 --> 2:09:43.000 you switched it up, because the more horses different personality 2:09:43.040 --> 2:09:46.640 horses ride, the better you become. Oh, instead of being 2:09:46.760 --> 2:09:50.160 used to the same how the horse behaves, a true 2:09:50.200 --> 2:09:54.680 horseman is becomes adaptable to the type of horses riding 2:09:54.720 --> 2:09:57.080 at that time. But did you guys be honest when 2:09:57.120 --> 2:09:58.640 you guys went into your bunk at night, did you 2:09:58.680 --> 2:10:03.360 guys goof on seuth a little bit? I didn't get 2:10:03.400 --> 2:10:06.280 the se seth too much. I did. I did talk 2:10:06.280 --> 2:10:10.840 a little bit about Mike's ability to control his horse, 2:10:11.120 --> 2:10:13.120 because if he had decided they wanted to go off trail, 2:10:13.160 --> 2:10:15.720 it was going off trail. A lot of it had 2:10:15.760 --> 2:10:18.560 to do with the fact that, uh, he didn't have 2:10:18.600 --> 2:10:21.080 a hold of the reins other way up on the ends, 2:10:21.320 --> 2:10:26.800 which has no control, so he was he was on autopilot. Yeah, 2:10:29.000 --> 2:10:32.800 that was fun. It's great. That was an awesome, awesome trip. Alright, guys, 2:10:32.840 --> 2:10:33.840 thanks again, Thank you,