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Speaker 1: in a minute, but I want to I guess I

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Speaker 1: want to ask you guys one thing first, because this

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Speaker 1: is the thing I always try to explain to people, Um,

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Speaker 1: what are the things as outfitters, as guides and you

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Speaker 1: guide mountain hunts? What things prevent people from realizing their dreams?

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about clients of the things that prevent clients

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Speaker 1: that their boots don't fit right? You know? I I

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Speaker 1: of people really don't know how to hunt. Uh. I'll

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Speaker 1: be I'll say, well, let's go over here, and I

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Speaker 1: can hear them. They're they're talking loud there, They're they're

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Speaker 1: realize or sense the fact that that mere thudding through

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Speaker 1: And uh, in fact, I've I've done some experiment and

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Speaker 1: when I've trying been trying to make a stick or

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Speaker 1: And I think it's it's been advantageous. But those are

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Speaker 1: things that I've observed from people that they don't know

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Speaker 1: And so there is it's a it's I think it's

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Speaker 1: a learned you know, I've had to tell hunters, you

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Speaker 1: guys have got a step more quiet, watch what you're

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Speaker 1: just to let you be their eyes, the whole experience

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Speaker 1: gonna do our intros. I just want to lead in

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Speaker 1: with the sizz Well. I was gonna say from my

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Speaker 1: my standpoint, one of the biggest challenges is a physical

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Speaker 1: Obviously we hunt with horses, but to get them from

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Speaker 1: Is shooting ability up high on the list most definitely,

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Speaker 1: and knowing where your gun shoots, UM, and knowing obviously

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Speaker 1: the range that we shoot, you know, not we don't

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Speaker 1: And if they're coming from you know, the eastern side

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Speaker 1: But the pausitive attitude, I mean, I've had guys that

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Speaker 1: Now let's go, well, um, I'm landing Peterson. I've been,

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Speaker 1: like my dad said, I've been with them going ever

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Speaker 1: your guys business, Crooked Sky Outfitters is the name of

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Speaker 1: in the business. Adam Weatherby, Yeah, it was your second

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Speaker 1: I guess right. Yeah, it was on back in the spring,

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Speaker 1: I think with Brenda, my wife, and uh, but I'm

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Speaker 1: Adam Weatherby. Uh this should be your job to tell

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Speaker 1: everybody what we've just been up to in the mountains. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Adam Weatherby weather be seventy four year old firearm's business,

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Speaker 1: who took it over from my grandpa. That's what we do.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, what we've been up to, like what

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Speaker 1: you're honest. We started talking back earlier this year, and

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Speaker 1: I knew that Johannese and Steve had a bunch of

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Speaker 1: meaning we had applied unsuccessfully for whelming eight years. Well

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Speaker 1: real quick, okay, and I'm Stewart Peterson. I have been

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Speaker 1: I wanted to come home and ranch, and Dad and

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Speaker 1: asked for even the people that I worked with, I

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00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 1: had him sign a book, but to to to go

430
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 1: up and ask for any of them for their autograph,

431
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 1: I just never did it. I just wasn't something that

432
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 1: And I'm sure you guys have had to do a

433
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 1: few of those, but for me, I was just it

434
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: was an awkward I just felt awkward as could be.

435
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: Um so in in uh you know, in that history

436
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 1: early history as a young boy, um who wanted to

437
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 1: be so normal in so many ways, and yet I

438
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 1: was I wanted to excel in sports, and that's what

439
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: I focused on in high school and and uh you know,

440
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: but I but I've met the same resistance. It was

441
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: almost like I was a wrestler in high school. And uh,

442
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 1: I remember a tournament once we were at one of

443
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: the other teams that was there a guy that was

444
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: in my weight to send a little one of his

445
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 1: younger buddies in the lighter weights come over to let

446
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 1: me know that I would be counting the lights pretty

447
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 1: quick if I was going to wrestle him. And uh,

448
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 1: I thought to myself, you gotta be kidding me. I mean,

449
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 1: this guy didn't even know who I was, but yet

450
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: because I was a movie star, you know, he was

451
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: gonna whoop me and it was gonna be some feather. Uh.

452
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: And it was the same way in football I have.

453
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: You know, you had to tell us the resolution of

454
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: that match. Well, we met in the championship and I

455
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 1: went and made him count lights. So it was you know,

456
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: it was for me that it kind of fueled the fire.

457
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: I was competitive by nature, and when I got told

458
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 1: that that was gonna happen, I thought, well, you, you

459
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: dirty bugger, I'm gonna show you something different. So, you know,

460
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: it was and it was a relief because it was

461
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 1: it was a tournament here in town. Uh. And so

462
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: I thought, I can't. I can't let this happen in

463
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: my hometown. So you know, those are those are things

464
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: that that all evolved with the film business. I guess

465
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 1: at this point I was ready to say okay for

466
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,199
Speaker 1: the sake of helping my son in this business, for

467
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: if he's gonna be able to carry it on, we've

468
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 1: got to build it and and the name is going

469
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: to have to do it. But I also want to

470
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: make sure and recognize that when we're involved in this thing,

471
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: we have a responsibility to what happens in the outdoors

472
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: up there. I have a tremendous amount of respect for it.

473
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: It's a it's a very very spiritual place for me

474
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: to be, uh, pondering who I am? How do I

475
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: treat people? Am I am? I truly becoming a better person.

476
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: And consequently our goal is is we hope that when

477
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 1: we rubbed shoulders with good people up there, they improve

478
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: us and we improved them. Yeah, you don't have any

479
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: reason to be bashful about Uh. I don't think that

480
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: that's you know that you got tangled up and doing

481
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: movies when you were a kid. Um, because in the mountains, uh,

482
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 1: and out running your business, you work incredibly hard and

483
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 1: are very focused and extremely knowledgeable and very professional. And

484
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 1: it's not I wouldn't even get I wouldn't even worry

485
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: about having people be like, oh I didn't get you

486
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: know what I thought I was gonna get. And it's

487
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: just some Hollywood I mean, come on, that's that's all.

488
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: It's just not But but it's an interesting it's an

489
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: interesting talking point. It is. I mean, it happened to

490
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: you when you were very young, and you deliberately walked

491
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: away from it. Um, it just wasn't in my genetic

492
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: makeup to want to be knowledge because of the film business. Now,

493
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: if I debated knowledge, you know, in all of my

494
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: accolades and in sports, that would have been fine. And

495
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: it did happen, and it was much more pleasurable. But

496
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: for some reason, I just was caught up in that. Uh.

497
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: The thought is, I I don't want the film business

498
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: to define me as being impressive in somebody's eyes. I

499
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: wanted to do it on my own because I think

500
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,239
Speaker 1: that's what happens with a lot of these guys in

501
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: the film business, is that all of the attention that

502
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: they get makes them think that they have done it,

503
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: you know, they've arrived, and in many cases they their

504
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: lives become destroyed because they cannot they cannot accept living.

505
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: You know what, I don't know. It's hard for me

506
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: to explain it, but what I see is I see

507
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: it too often where these people who rise to the

508
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: status of of star symbol and almost to a worshipful

509
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: symbol in many people's eyes, and then they can't measure up,

510
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: they find themselves not measure up to And I think

511
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: we see a lot of that happening. And for some reason,

512
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: my my instincts were that I never wanted that to

513
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: be the reason why I felt good about me. Yeah,

514
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: it just it just wasn't wasn't the case. Um oh,

515
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: you know what Seth introduced yourself, Seth Morris, you've been

516
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: on a thousand times, a couple a couple of times.

517
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: Seth is kind of replacing Janni, because yes, that's gonna

518
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: be doing uh kind of like doing Yanni's job coming

519
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: up here in South Dakota. That's right. Yeah, Yanni's going

520
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: on a big Colorado adventure. Not the first. It'll be

521
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: the second um Meteor episode that I haven't produced since

522
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: I started producing him. One was I was out for

523
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: a knee surgery. But this is the first time we're

524
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: gonna do it deliberately. That's a good trip to Uh.

525
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: Do you you seth do you you you be honest?

526
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: Do you be honest? Uh? Do you est more like

527
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: a like a mentor or someone you need to knock down?

528
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: No mentor, for sure, You're not like I'm gonna know,

529
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to replace bust your other need. You're

530
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: not thinking that I'm still trying to learn from Okay, good, Yeah,

531
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to knock him down. Okay. Um, at

532
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: some point that people does have to walk away from

533
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: the teacher. There is a thing that someone explained to

534
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: me that happens in a mentorship situation is uh, I

535
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: can't remember who. There's some philosopher someone who discussed this

536
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: that in a mentor relationship, there's a part of the

537
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: the mentee, part of the mentees development. Um. I think

538
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: it's a necessary part of the development is to develop

539
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: an animosity towards the mentor. M But I think that

540
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: that has to happen for that person to to move on.

541
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: So Steth give me a heads up. Well, that just

542
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: makes me think. Now I'll be thinking all night we're

543
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: sharing this uh room over here. I'll be thinking, when

544
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: is my mentor Stephen Roella, what am I gonna gain?

545
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: That animal? Just got that big old buck. They explain

546
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: for folks. What explained for folks like how you're guiding

547
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: business works because of the thousand ways people guide. Right,

548
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: you could Lisa ranch and and you know, you could

549
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: own a ranch or Lisa ranch and clients come out

550
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: and they hunt the ranch. You could you know, whatever

551
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: you like, you got like guys that run bear baits.

552
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: And so a client comes and they hire a guide

553
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: and the guide sets them out to watch a bear bait.

554
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: Just kind of talk like real general terms people who

555
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: aren't familiar with Western hunting or guided hunting, sort of

556
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: like what is the what is the package you provide

557
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: or what is the experience you provide. We're referred to

558
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: as what is a full service guide guided hunt, where

559
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: in which we from the time they arrived with us,

560
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: we and get them into camp. We are providing the

561
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: services of their meals and their horses, their attack, everything

562
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: but their personal gear and their license, and we take

563
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: care of that every day during that hunt. And uh

564
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: which means that the hunter we try to make sure

565
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: that their horses uh fit them, their saddles fit them,

566
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: and uh, the saddles are you know in place. We're

567
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: we're aware of those kind of things because we we

568
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: we we've been around the block a little bit now

569
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: we know that if saddles aren't tightened up, that's when

570
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: any experience writers can can get hurt because they're not

571
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: aware of when the saddle starts to slip what they

572
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: need to be doing. And you're comfortable putting a totally

573
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: inexperienced rider on a horse on the ones that we have, uh,

574
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: we don't. We've got some that we know they're just

575
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: not ready for for guys that don't know have don't

576
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: have much horsemanship skill. We just we have to we

577
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: have to know the horses, um, pretty intimately to the

578
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: extent of knowing where they are and where they are,

579
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: where they fit in the pecking order of our horses,

580
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: because that makes a difference. We we need to know

581
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: a little bit about the person well a lot about

582
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: the personality, because quite honestly, people and horses can have

583
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: personalities of clash, and we see that on a regular basis.

584
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: Sets horse uh would uh physically assault the horse in

585
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: front of it my horse was it was it was

586
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: an ass buyer for sure. Well, and some of that

587
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: because she's a mayor and uh and and sometimes the

588
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: mayors have those little nippick issues that they like to

589
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: get after another horse because they are a mayor. And

590
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: and that doesn't say anything about womanhood. I'm just saying that.

591
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: That's if you talk to anybody that knows, uh, horses,

592
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 1: A lot of your people like to use guildings because

593
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: guildings are way more even kill castrated mail. Yeah, and uh,

594
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: your mayor's, especially if they're cycling, they can be kind

595
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: of contentkerous and they have a hard time dealing with

596
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: other horses under those conditions. And some are just have

597
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: that kind of a continued personality like that, and we

598
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: don't know why, but they And that's one of the

599
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: things you have to understand, you know, as you get

600
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: to know horse flesh a little bit, is it, they

601
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: have a personality just as distinct as people do. They think, oh,

602
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: a horse, four legs, they run beautifully, they you know,

603
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: they're athletic and this and that. But there's a lot

604
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,919
Speaker 1: of personality that you have to be aware of when

605
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: you're watching a horse in your string and how they

606
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: perform around different people. We ask people, what's your experience? Now?

607
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: If they're honest. Uh, those that are honest, we can say, well,

608
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: we've got one that's gonna fit the bill. But if

609
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: we have if they tell us, well, I've ridden quite

610
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: a few times, and then we put them on a

611
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: horse that has a little more fire under their tail,

612
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 1: then they then they get they get kind of intimidated

613
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: or thinking, I'm not as good as I thought I was.

614
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: Did you know, did you realize that one of our

615
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: camera guys, Mike, Uh, I feel like he hadn't hadn't

616
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: he had never first time he did? He tell you

617
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: that was the up front about that, about that. And

618
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: then I've ridden a handful of Uh, maybe I get like,

619
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: maybe I get on a horse. I probably don't get

620
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: on a horse every year even right, but I've had

621
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: occasion to ride here and there. Um, I would say, though,

622
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: and you know better than me, I would say that

623
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: the topography uh, and and the trails and lack of

624
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: trails where you guys ride would have to be that

625
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 1: like if you're gonna put like riding on a you know,

626
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: like a one to ten and severity, you're like up

627
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: there there, you'd agree, right, I mean, you're you're in

628
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: the nine. I felt like we were ten every day. Well,

629
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: Seth has a horse allergy. So Seth has a horse allergy,

630
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: and his horse fell, so he was like from he

631
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 1: was out from and I have no experience and no experience. Well,

632
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 1: I think one of the things that we run into

633
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,399
Speaker 1: is each time we get with new clients, you try

634
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: to associate and get a feel for what number one,

635
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: what their confidence level is, number two, what their experience

636
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: level is. And then also the physical makeup of the

637
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: individual is another component that we look at, what you mean,

638
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: as far as their size, UM, and we try to

639
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: you know, kind of pair them up with a horror.

640
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 1: We feel like we'll work with them, like my dad mentioned,

641
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: personality wise, but also in their ability and their stature

642
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: to be able to carry a person um because a

643
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: lot of times the horses are more than capable of

644
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: carrying them, you know, and following the horse in front,

645
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 1: which is typically your guide. UM. And so we try

646
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: not to put people in a situation where they feel

647
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: like their life is in danger um because of their inexperience. UM.

648
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: But uh, you know, obviously there's there is that confidence level.

649
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,439
Speaker 1: We do have certain horses that, based on the way

650
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: they move and the way they travel, they just have

651
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: the capacity to help settle or um, I don't know,

652
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: bring a little bit of peace to the people that

653
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: are riding them. I like it that Janice took you

654
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: guys aside and said, the get hurt all over the

655
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: slowest I got, the slowest in the world. She's a

656
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: nonreact her. She she really does. She doesn't get excited

657
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: about much unless she's in the lead. When I used

658
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: to ride her, I wrote her for a couple of

659
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: years and uh, she she was really spooky when she

660
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: was the lead. Because your lead horse is your alarm.

661
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: Watched and you told me that taken off and I

662
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: and I thought about it watching Blues ears because Blue

663
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to be out front. Today you said,

664
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: the lead horse will do its ears different than the

665
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: horses behind. They turn them and angle them forward. That

666
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: was weird to see that she she does that and that,

667
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: and and they are you know, and every horse behind

668
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: the lead horse is somewhat in a cat more casual,

669
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: relaxed feel because they know that if there's something that's

670
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 1: gonna bugger the front horse they're a little safer. It's

671
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: kind of like that old adage about if you're being

672
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: chased by a bear with your buddy, it's who's the fastest,

673
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: you know it's gonna happen. And they kind of get

674
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: relaxed in that second position knowing that the first one

675
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: is is the one that's going to take the hip

676
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: if something ever happens. Yeah, Seth was saying his horse

677
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: doesn't like to be first or last. No, High Heels

678
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:15,240
Speaker 1: was when when when she would be in the back,

679
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: she would constantly like her head would constantly be off

680
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: to the side behind looking behind it. And that's and

681
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: that's typical of of the hind horse as well. They

682
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: are somewhat the watchdog on the back and so they're

683
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: they're a little more antsy about what's gonna come up

684
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: and bite them on the butt. Yeah, she didn't like

685
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: that at all. And uh, they that's just but the

686
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: horses in the middle they're kind of cool, you know.

687
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: They think, well, the front, the back, they've got us covered.

688
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: Old Hi Heels love the middle. Yeah, she's the middle horse. Interesting, Blondie,

689
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: the horse I was riding, she didn't like to be

690
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,919
Speaker 1: out front too much. She liked to be the second horse. Yeah, yeah,

691
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: there's uh and some of that by nature and some

692
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: of us by habits. You know, you ride a horse

693
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: enough in the front, they get used to liking to

694
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: be in the front. Um. But then there's those and

695
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: and people are the same way. You know. I I

696
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: make a lot of being raised on a ranch, I

697
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: make a lot of comparisons between cattle and people. And

698
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: my wife doesn't always appreciate that. But that's something I

699
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: observed and I thought, yeah, that's just like so and sober,

700
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: that's just like that person. And that's just because you

701
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: you see, they're not just something that stands out in

702
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 1: the field and is dumb. They they have a personality,

703
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: they have a mind, um, and so you you do

704
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: recognize that. And those are those are really those those

705
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 1: are important issues in the field to try to help

706
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: you understand how to be safe. We when we're shopping

707
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 1: for horses to replace uh, some of our older stock,

708
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: we're pretty uh cognizant of what we see in their eye. First,

709
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: because there's something in the eye of a horse when

710
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: you look at him, and without them really looking at you,

711
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: but just watching their behavior, you get a sense or

712
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: feel are they one that trust people trust you or

713
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: they always watching you. Uh. The ones that are always

714
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: watching you sometimes are the ones that can really uh

715
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: get messed up in a in a string. Uh. Growing up,

716
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: my dad always said, you know, horse talking about the

717
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 1: difference between horses and mules. And you know, maybe people

718
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: in the mule businesses have a way different experience, but

719
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: Dad said, you know, a horse will let you actually

720
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: hurt him into a position of being hurt um, whereas

721
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: a mule. And we had a few meals through the

722
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: years and they just wouldn't they flat out if they

723
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: thought they were gonna get hurt, were in a predicament

724
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: that they weren't gonna let you do it. And that's

725
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: why they'd say stubborn as a mule, they'd lock up.

726
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: You couldn't get them to do what you thought, and

727
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: you'd get get on a horse and you can make

728
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: them do that. And uh. And so we see that

729
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: a lot, uh with our animals. There's a trust factor.

730
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: So we look at we look at their you know,

731
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: not only their physical stature and their their athleticism. But

732
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: Landing alluded the fact that not every horse that your

733
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 1: ride that's really good on flat land is going to

734
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: be good up in in the hills. It's it's a

735
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: different style of balance and between rider and slope. Um.

736
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: I had the conversation with Adam a little bit about

737
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: you know sometimes why some horses feel like they slip

738
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: a little bit. Well, some of that's due to the rider,

739
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: because of the way the rider balances himself, you know,

740
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: is he working against the horse on a side hill

741
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: for instance. We've talked about that early on. I I

742
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 1: tell my hunters all the time, don't lean into the mountain.

743
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 1: I mean, you're just taking a folks on point and

744
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: it's it's like you're almost as getting and leaning. They

745
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: get they get nervous because they're on a side hill. Yeah.

746
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: We walked one night after dark. We walk next to

747
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: a cliff that would have been absolute death. It would

748
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: be like if you went off the cliff, you die,

749
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: You and the horse would die. And and uh and

750
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 1: I sat there more like what does the horses sort

751
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: of awareness of the fact that it would die if

752
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: it fell off that cliff? And you could definitely feel

753
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: your body wind lean like lean the horse into a

754
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: safe a motorcycle. Yeah, And I remember what you were

755
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: saying is like let the horse balance itself. Don't the

756
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: same thing happened when when because Bandy, my horse slipped

757
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: on some shale one day and slipped on some ice

758
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: going up a hill. And I've ridden uh a decent

759
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: amountain had horses when I was young, and yet I

760
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,280
Speaker 1: found myself timid going up the ice. It was pretty

761
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: steep and it was pretty icy, and she was slipping.

762
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: She felt me being timid, and I was kind of

763
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: pulling her back, like whoa, okay, let's go one step

764
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,240
Speaker 1: at a time, he said. One of the horse's best friends,

765
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: or momentum in that case. So I was holding her

766
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: back from her natural instinct. She's like, dude, I'm gonna

767
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 1: power or this Adam, it's no big deal. It's just

768
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: a little icy slope. Let me go. I didn't. She slipped.

769
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: My fault, and from the rest of the trip, when

770
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: he gave me that momentum motivational speech, like we'd get

771
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: to something that I'm like, that's pretty shaley, uh, pretty icy,

772
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: pretty snow, and just go, you know, and just start

773
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: kicking and we can just truck up this thing. And

774
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,919
Speaker 1: she had no problem with it. And that's a big

775
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: thing I think too, is that whole trust factor at

776
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: night without our head lamps on, it's that same thing

777
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: right when we're on the side of the cliffs. It's like,

778
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: this horse can do it. Let it do it, and

779
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: don't hold it back. Explain to people a little bit

780
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: like what happens on a trip where in terms of

781
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: sort of to get out to your camp, like the

782
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 1: length of ride and then and then what you arrive at. Well,

783
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 1: basically from Cokeville, what we do is we drive two

784
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: hours by truck. Um. From that point, we trail head

785
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,720
Speaker 1: out and and we ride from the trailhead another seven

786
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: miles on horseback through a variety of up and downs

787
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:06,959
Speaker 1: and and and some some steeper country um. And so

788
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 1: you know, it's definitely one of those things when we're hunting,

789
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: you're staying on the mountain tail dark, and you're typically

790
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: leaving in the dark from camp, and so you spend

791
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: a lot of time and can't spend a lot of

792
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: time on the horse in the dark, and and so

793
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: people can get intimidated by that, wondering if their horse

794
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 1: can actually even see, if they're going to be able

795
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: to follow the trail, And so the tendency for a

796
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: lot of people is to put their head light on,

797
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: which it actually impedes the ability the horse to see. Um,

798
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: that's a that's a I know that, that's true. That

799
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: was a difficult thing for me too. That was that

800
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: would do it at times, but at times I had

801
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: to turn my light. Well, it was a it's a

802
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: trust issue, and that's what I guess. We were in

803
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: that trail so many times and times and some of

804
00:46:55,800 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 1: those darker timber patches. It really is. It's it is

805
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: no different then when you're in a roller coaster and

806
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: it goes through the dark tunnel and you can't see

807
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: your hand. They might not have a tree branch at

808
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: I level. On the trail. There could be tree branches

809
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: at I level. Like Walt Disney doesn't like hold a

810
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: spruce bow like out, Yeah, as you're going through the tunnel,

811
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: slap you in the face of the thing. If I

812
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: had multiple people in front of me and they weren't

813
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 1: going out, I'm like, cool man, I'll turn my light off.

814
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: But when I'm out. When I happened to be in

815
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: front for a little bit, I couldn't let my I

816
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: I theoretically I understood I was like the horse stay

817
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: on the trail, but I couldn't bring myself to do

818
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: it well. So I needed to know if I was

819
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: gonna get smacked in the face when I rolled out

820
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: the other night, Saturday night, when I left the trail

821
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: or left camp about ten thirty at night, UM, I

822
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: would periodically turn my light on to look back and

823
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: check the pack horse. So I was leading out to

824
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 1: make sure the packs were square. Every time I turned

825
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: my light on to look back, they would stop because

826
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: they couldn't see anymore. Um. And so at that point,

827
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: like I just knew that I needed to shut my

828
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: light off and and just periodically check. Which there's nothing

829
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 1: wrong with that, but it shows the fact that it

830
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: does impede their ability to continue to see. Yeah, your Stewart,

831
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: you kind of I don't even want to call it

832
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: passive aggressive. I was out front one at one moment,

833
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: I want to in front for a minute, and I

834
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 1: had my lamp on, and uh, you said to me,

835
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: isn't it amazing how they can find their way in

836
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 1: the dark too? Me turn your head later. Uh you

837
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: guys camp, so you're camp something that you have a

838
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: camp in the National Force? Yep, it's all public um,

839
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: and so you know really the thing that sets spart

840
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: is to be able to get back in that back

841
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: country and and and get away from the public because

842
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that don't want to go

843
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: to the effort of getting back there, um, and so

844
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: we rely on the horses to do that because it's

845
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: just a matter of trying, I mean another transporting gear,

846
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 1: but transporting games. Yeah, you knock something down seven miles.

847
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,399
Speaker 1: Who wants to pack an elkout and have to make

848
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: four trips It's not gonna be and just going down. Yeah,

849
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: it's not just a downhill. You got up and down

850
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: and you're climbing in elevation of probably two thousand feet

851
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: at any given point. So and then you so it's

852
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: on National forest, but you guys have um, you have

853
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: an arrangement with the National Forest. We have a special

854
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: use permit that that we have you know, the rights

855
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: to for a period of time and then we can

856
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: renew that. For instance, we just renewed ours this year,

857
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: which will be good for another eight years um. And

858
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: then they periodically you know, go over things. They want

859
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 1: to make sure you're abiding by the rules that are

860
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: set out by the Forest Service to uh be able

861
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: to run a camp uh and do it right. We're

862
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,720
Speaker 1: governed kind of by two bodies that where we're hunting

863
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: on the Forest Service ground and we have some we

864
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:04,320
Speaker 1: hunt on on some other uh government grounds. But uh

865
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: speaking of the Forest Service, UM, we we fill a

866
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: report out to them every year at the year's end

867
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: saying what we had for clients, how many days they

868
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: were on the forest and uh and we pay a

869
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 1: fee and and uh so that's where the fee comes

870
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: to place and how much you're using it. We we

871
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: we pay a flat rate fee for the camp so

872
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 1: and then and then we pay a percentage of the

873
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: gross income at the end of the year. Uh. And

874
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: then we're governed also certain as far as the outfitter

875
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: license which I hold uh for Cricket Sky Outfitters. Um,

876
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: they kind of govern us as well, making sure that

877
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: we're abiding by the laws, the game and fish laws

878
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: and as well as the Forest Service. Uh, you know,

879
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: responsibilities that we have there. And what you have. The

880
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 1: infrastructure you have is pretty lights. You have a small

881
00:50:55,960 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: corral which is large as composed of brush and log YEP.

882
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: I gathered that one time it was the site to behold. Yeah,

883
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: one time, the you know, the snows get pretty deep

884
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 1: up there and and break down your fences. That we

885
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 1: had a bucking pull crail fence all the way around,

886
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:17,879
Speaker 1: but the snows of since dilapidated that and sometimes we've

887
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: never had the time to go up because it takes

888
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: a lot of energy to try to drag dead lodge

889
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: pull pine from off the mountain there, you know, two

890
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: ft or two hundred yards or three hundred yards up

891
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: that drag it down. And uh, it's been probably twenty

892
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: years since we did the crail initially like that, so

893
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: it's lasts a long time, but it's as as you

894
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: can see. You know, the weathers has warrant. The horses

895
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: crib on it, and you see poles break after that.

896
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 1: But you know, that's that's one of the things. And

897
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: we've appreciated at least the Forest Service Department that we

898
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 1: work without a camera. They've been good people who work

899
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: with and and have been been very helpful. And um,

900
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: we've been great that we've had that fortunate first of

901
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 1: all that Uncle Sharon was able to get that camp

902
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: back in the early sixties. Uh, even when he didn't

903
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 1: use it that much back then, and it wasn' until

904
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: I came in that we started to really use that

905
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 1: upper camp because we have a we have a lower

906
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: base camp and that was accessible by and still as

907
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: accessible by vehicle. Um so, but I've always been in

908
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: the upper camp and so I've always enjoyed the aspect

909
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: of what we have there. It's a lot more work

910
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 1: because we have to pack all our feed in by

911
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: by horses. We have to you know, make sure that

912
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: we've uh got that feed in because it's a long

913
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 1: ways to go back and get feed. If you don't

914
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 1: have quite enough m yeah, you don't. You don't graze

915
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: your horses out, you don't pass your horse, don't pass

916
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: it on the forest land. We don't have to bring

917
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 1: in your food. We bring the food in and uh

918
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: and so it's it's it's just it's a pretty labor

919
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: intensive you know. We often say it's a labor of love. Well,

920
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: we do, and it truly is because we all know

921
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: that when when you really love something that you do

922
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 1: as hard as it is and physically demands it is,

923
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: it's not something you despise because it's work. Yeah, it's

924
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: something that you just say, I love what Every job

925
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 1: has its uh, I call it grunt work jobs You know,

926
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: stuff that you just don't like to do, uh, but

927
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,280
Speaker 1: we like doing just about everything, even though it's physical,

928
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 1: it's it's demanding them. Yeah, and you have a you

929
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 1: have a crowd, you have a cash you guys built

930
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 1: out a beetle kill pine where you can put some

931
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: stuff over year, and then you have a tarp structure

932
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: for your tag yep. Then you have a couple of

933
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: tent platforms we did. We set up wall tents on

934
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: those tent platforms and put woodstoves there. We used to

935
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 1: have the wood floors with with a large pull pine

936
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: frames that we can just pull our tents over, and

937
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: then we'd put the tents away and then then you know,

938
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 1: the frames would stay up, but those frames would uh

939
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: would often be caved in the next spring when we'd

940
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 1: write in and we'd have to rebuild. And so it's

941
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 1: been probably what ten or so years ago, close to

942
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: ten years eight to ten years ago that we uh

943
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: I decided to see if I couldn't get approval from

944
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: the Forest Service to redo the floors, you know, like

945
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 1: they were only uh, make them structured a little a

946
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: little more sound. And then because I noticed today that

947
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: you guys had uh they're put on sonitudes. Well we

948
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 1: you know, we were packed in uh cement and report

949
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: uh the concrete columns. Um, we couldn't put any rebar

950
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: because that was an agreement that you know, we wouldn't

951
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: do put it rebar. And I was looking at those.

952
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 1: I was looking at those I was called pilings, what

953
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 1: do you call them? The other columns, the cement columns.

954
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 1: So that made it possible for us to to you know,

955
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 1: build the floor a little more stable because they do

956
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 1: have a footing. You know, we we enlarged the footing

957
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: with the son below the sontitude. Um, I'm sorry, I'm dense.

958
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: What is the word you're saying? Sauna tube is a

959
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:08,760
Speaker 1: cardboard form? Sauna sa I'm picturing like a room with woods,

960
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: a lot of Yeah, it's probably like calling a tissue

961
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: of kleenex, right, it's it's so, it's a it's a

962
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: kind of a cardboard type were familiar with has never

963
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: heard that term sato tube, and and so that's what

964
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 1: we were. They were willing to let us, uh to

965
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 1: do that, you know, improve the look and the camp site.

966
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 1: But then I asked him if we could if we

967
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: put a metal frame in there. So I got some

968
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: and they proved that, and we got you could have

969
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: the whole thing down in an hour, right yep. And

970
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 1: and so we we've got the metal can do it

971
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 1: frames that allows us to be able to pull those

972
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: tints on there. And it just makes a comfortable camp

973
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: site and a bigger stainless sink, stainless stink and woodstoves.

974
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: The stainless stink came in on a horse, right, five

975
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:01,720
Speaker 1: big mule, five ft stay was sink. It's it's actually

976
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: eight foot long, three bays three three sink bays in it,

977
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 1: and then a drying rack on the end. And you're saying,

978
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 1: the mule that carried it in couldn't lift his head

979
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:13,879
Speaker 1: up all the way because he had that thing on him.

980
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,479
Speaker 1: It had it had that on the on the we'd

981
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 1: raise it up on the we're packing in some cots,

982
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 1: and we put those in some hard paniards and we

983
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: were able to elevate it off the top of her head. There.

984
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: She couldn't raise it up all the way. She had

985
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:31,399
Speaker 1: to walk with her head about shoulder level all the way.

986
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 1: I remember walking the tent the first time and saw that.

987
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 1: I was like, now, how did that get here? She

988
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: she was a good old meal. That it's an old

989
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: We called her Molly. She was just the fact Landing

990
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: was four years old when I put her, put him

991
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: on her, and she just took care of She tried

992
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: to brush him off on under pine boughs. Everyone's she

993
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,919
Speaker 1: was a big She was used a mule last year

994
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:59,399
Speaker 1: that was ginormous. In her name was Molly. That's fine,

995
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: probably her she was, she's dead. She's she was about

996
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,879
Speaker 1: thirty when she died, so it would be a different mule.

997
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: Then she'd been around the block. We packed her out

998
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: of a you know. We fact, if we had real

999
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 1: steep terrain to pack an elk out or a mule deer,

1000
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: we usually took her. Is it true that people tell

1001
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: me this all the time. Is it true that a

1002
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: horse or a mule will deliberately go under a sweeper

1003
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: to try to dislodge the rider or is it just

1004
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: that it knows it can fit and it doesn't think

1005
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: about whether or not there's a rider who's gonna get dislodged.

1006
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: I think there's a little both. Uh. I watched Landing

1007
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: with Molly, and she deliberately would walk close to trees.

1008
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: The trail wasn't under the tree. She would deliberately walk

1009
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: under it, and he just kind of laid back and

1010
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 1: then he popped up like one of those little blow

1011
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: up things that he had come right back up in

1012
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,919
Speaker 1: the saddle there like you know, that was no big deal.

1013
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 1: He just ride around some more. But I watched her

1014
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 1: and it was very deliberate. Um, And I've seen it

1015
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: with other horses. I've I've ridden horses that too, seemed

1016
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: to be a little more deliberate in their approach to

1017
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 1: Rather than going around the tree, even when the trail

1018
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: was taking you around, they shortcut it. And uh so

1019
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 1: they're they're a little smart in which you think. I've

1020
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: seen some funny things. I saw a hunter. Uh we'd

1021
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: seen some milk and we were galloping up the hill

1022
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: because I'd kicked my horse and into a gallop and

1023
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 1: we were It wasn't steep hill, but it was enough.

1024
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: We had some momentum going. And he was the last

1025
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: guy and he wasn't hadn't had no control that horse,

1026
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 1: and she took him under a great big dug fur

1027
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 1: that had There was a pine bough that would have

1028
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: been probably about all three inches across hanging out from

1029
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 1: the tree at least twelve to fourteen feet, and it

1030
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: was low enough at saddle horn heights when she went

1031
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: underneath that, and that started in the flecks of that

1032
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: finally could only go so far. It just cat have

1033
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: pulled him off the back door. It was it was

1034
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: a cartoon to behold because it just it blew him

1035
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: right off the back of the horse. All the other

1036
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 1: guys were laughing at him. He wasn't too too excited

1037
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 1: about that, but they will, I mean they in that case.

1038
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 1: I don't think the horse was thinking how to get

1039
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 1: the rider off. I'm I'm just trying to catch up

1040
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: with the rest of the group, and he didn't. He

1041
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: wasn't right directly behind, and that guy didn't control the horse,

1042
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: so he ended up in a fine bow you know,

1043
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: catapult reason. But once we set out to start hunting,

1044
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 1: I feel like you probably did do this. I felt

1045
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 1: like you kind of wanted to work close first, and

1046
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 1: then as the days go on, you kind of gradually

1047
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: start doing bigger forays out and uh well, and where

1048
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 1: our camp is situated, I think we have some of

1049
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: the prime hunting just within a very short ride. I

1050
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: mean you're talking right above camp. You're here in our bugle.

1051
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 1: You're seeing deer within the ten minute ride of being

1052
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 1: outside of camp and we've even spotted deer from Camp Um.

1053
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,959
Speaker 1: And so that's one of the great things of where

1054
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 1: we're located is that you have that nucleus, if you

1055
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: like Um, where you can just branch out and then

1056
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 1: we know there's other country out there that we can

1057
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: go out and and if we needed to, like we

1058
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 1: did this trip to try and see if we couldn't

1059
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 1: find I mean, we saw plenty of bucks. We just

1060
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 1: needed to see what else was out there and if

1061
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: we could find you know, that one big buck that

1062
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: was hanging out that was just maybe on the perimeter.

1063
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 1: But that's the definitely the benefit of where we're at.

1064
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 1: That first day out one Adam and I rode off

1065
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: with Stewart, I mean we must I think we saw

1066
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 1: fourteen bucks or something like that. Fourteen bucks I think

1067
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: was at the day thirty forty elk and two bears.

1068
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 1: It was understood. I was undisturbed, like it was undisturbed.

1069
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 1: It was the opening day, yeah, And we didn't go

1070
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: far and it was just dear, dear, dear, dear, dear, dear, dear,

1071
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: and in the middle of it getting distracted by out

1072
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: bugling and all the other cool things out there, and

1073
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 1: Jason after a bear. Oh man, Yeah, we saw a

1074
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 1: bear and decided to go run it down on the

1075
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 1: side of a you know, pretty rocky hill and go

1076
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 1: after it. But yeah, I mean that was all well.

1077
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 1: We went a pretty good distance even that first day though,

1078
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 1: didn't We mean we went this fonsy that made dear

1079
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 1: though it was well. And the other thing, um that

1080
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 1: we we we feel like, I mean, they sense your

1081
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: presence and uh, we don't like to just you know,

1082
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: keep it so tight that perhaps it makes it that

1083
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 1: much more difficult, but it also gives the hunter another

1084
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 1: perspective because you can see, uh, maybe from where you

1085
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 1: went the day before country back looking back on some

1086
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 1: of the country, you were a little better angle in

1087
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: which you experienced because of the fact that we had

1088
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 1: been there a couple different times looking off in that

1089
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 1: same spot, but because of our perspective, we could not

1090
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 1: see everything it was below us. You know what's funny

1091
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:06,919
Speaker 1: about that spot is the first time we went there. Um,

1092
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 1: you were talking about how bucks like to lay on

1093
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:12,439
Speaker 1: this cliff face. It's not a cliff face, but very

1094
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 1: crazy full of avalanche shoots and fingers and fingers of

1095
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 1: timber and rocky, and you're like, they like to lay here. Um,

1096
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 1: And you started creeping along peering over the edge, and

1097
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 1: Adam said to me, I I do gather they'd like

1098
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 1: to lay here based off Stuart's like very intense focused

1099
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 1: down the hill. You know, you're expecting to find one

1100
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 1: that's where you shot your Yeah, but that's all I

1101
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 1: was gonna talk about. We twice crept along, twice crept

1102
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 1: along that glass and down those avalanche shoots and seeing

1103
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 1: deer laying here and there on it, and possibly twice

1104
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: because he was a little bit farther down, possibly maybe

1105
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: twice walked past the buck that I got. But then

1106
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 1: it wasn't til it wasn't ntil. We then went around

1107
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 1: peer back onto that hillside, and then it wasn't even

1108
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 1: like we said. I I sat down with landing to

1109
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 1: start glass in the hillside between snow squalls, and I

1110
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 1: didn't even have my tripods set up, and He's like,

1111
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: you know, there's a buck like and I was like, man,

1112
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 1: one of our camera guys lost the sunglasses about fifty

1113
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 1: yards in that buck, you know. Uh. But looking back

1114
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 1: on it was interesting because there he was. And that's

1115
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 1: and that's what's kind of fun about it. It's difficult

1116
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 1: country from the uh perspective of not being able to

1117
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 1: see it in a in a clear, concise, imaginary way

1118
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 1: of saying, this is how I would imagine it would

1119
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 1: have played out. And then you get on, you know,

1120
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 1: you go around on the other side, looking back, and

1121
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 1: you can see where timber, the lay of the land,

1122
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 1: and how the timber and the shadows fall on it.

1123
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 1: You say, now, I can see why we didn't see

1124
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 1: as many or see that buck there because he was

1125
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: able to hide in such a fashion that we couldn't

1126
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 1: see him from above. He could only be seen from

1127
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 1: the angle down below or on another I don't want

1128
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 1: to give away too many of you guys trade secrets,

1129
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: but in the daytime and the warm part of the

1130
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 1: day or in the midday, you guys like to be

1131
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 1: up looking down a face knowing that it's so steep

1132
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 1: that the deer gonna bed Basically they're bedding up against trees.

1133
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 1: They dig out little beds, and they're on the top side,

1134
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 1: on the top side, and you're not gonna see him

1135
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 1: from across. But then in the mornings or evenings you

1136
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 1: can go around and peer back onto the hillside when

1137
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 1: they might be on their feet. But in the daytime

1138
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 1: you'd like to be a bedding time, you'd like to

1139
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 1: be peering straight down. And what that men in this

1140
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 1: terrain was often several miles and several thousand feet of elevation.

1141
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 1: You don't running over there. It's not like let's go

1142
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 1: to the bottom now, like you know yesterday or whenever

1143
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 1: that was day before. I guess went with your honest book.

1144
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 1: I mean, it was three miles around to get to

1145
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 1: where we could see, you know, from that other angle.

1146
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 1: So with the terrain, it means a lot of moving.

1147
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 1: But it's either that or nap mid day, which I

1148
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 1: know you do like Steve, I like it under certain conditions, um,

1149
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 1: when you can't be productive during that noon now and

1150
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 1: when it's very nice and warm. I took one like

1151
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 1: this this week. I took one ten minute. Now that's

1152
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 1: all I got, one ten minute. You're honest, how many

1153
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 1: do you have? At least three good ones? Like one

1154
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 1: period of time? Oh good enough for me? It is

1155
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 1: like ninety minutes plus the very first day we were out,

1156
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:50,959
Speaker 1: we're probably pushing two and a half just laid low,

1157
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 1: got hot, you know, and it kind of you know,

1158
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 1: the action died down, and but we did end up

1159
01:05:57,600 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 1: seeing a lot of bedded bucks this weeked Man finding

1160
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 1: bedded bucks. That's especially exciting it is. We one time

1161
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 1: had a did a did an episode of our show

1162
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 1: where I crept, crawled up on and shot a bedded

1163
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 1: antelope and got a handful of emails people all riled

1164
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 1: up about that it's non sports been like, I'm like,

1165
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 1: you go creep up on a bedded down antilope, Come

1166
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 1: tell me it's not sports been like, it's not easy

1167
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 1: to creep up on him. Well, yeah, and there's that

1168
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 1: argument too of like yeah, like it's somehow better to

1169
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 1: shoot one it's staring at you. Well, and that's and

1170
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 1: that's exactly and that's why, you know, like, uh, the

1171
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 1: day that Adam shot his buck, we had decided to

1172
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 1: let and I call it to get off and do

1173
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 1: an Indian hunt because I respect their their method of

1174
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 1: how they had to hunt in the early day. They

1175
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 1: had to they had to sneak up on things they

1176
01:06:56,600 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 1: didn't have. The didn't have the high powered rifles or

1177
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 1: or the good binoculars to to really help their cause,

1178
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 1: and so everything was very stealth driven. And I like

1179
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 1: that style of hunt where you go into a patch

1180
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 1: of timber that you know is a place where they

1181
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 1: bed down on a regular basis, and you're you're matched

1182
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 1: with their sense, their keen sense of smell and hearing

1183
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 1: um and whatever the other sense that they have that

1184
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 1: seems to if they sense danger, they're out of there.

1185
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 1: And will you try will you try to pull off?

1186
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 1: I just I just call it a still hunt. Will

1187
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 1: you try to pull that off with a client into Yeah, yeah,

1188
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:41,479
Speaker 1: I've done that. In fact, I'll put them in front

1189
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 1: of me and I'll just say, then you'll say, hey,

1190
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:46,919
Speaker 1: back up, because you missed the deer. I'll just say

1191
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 1: I'll say, we're gonna walk just a couple of steps quietly,

1192
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 1: and we're gonna glass, and we're gonna glass, and then

1193
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 1: we'll make a few more. So it takes you a

1194
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 1: long time to get through a patch of timber, but

1195
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 1: you know, I've not through the ears and depending on

1196
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 1: the terrain. Um. I've always been amazed at how an

1197
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:10,439
Speaker 1: animal will see you coming and and are blowing out

1198
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: the timber when you're thinking, God, I didn't even see them. Well,

1199
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 1: that's because their eyeballs are usually down, you know, maybe

1200
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 1: knee heights because they're bedded down, and that's where a

1201
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:24,640
Speaker 1: lot of your your brush sometimes and at least in

1202
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 1: our terrain is less, so they see your leg movement

1203
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:32,680
Speaker 1: and you can't see them. Yeah, So it's it's you know,

1204
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 1: it's absolutely critical if you're gonna go in there, your

1205
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 1: heads up in the fur needles and stuff, and they're

1206
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 1: looking and they're seeing low so they see that movement

1207
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 1: and that's something that is a set off to them,

1208
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 1: even though there may be no scent, it's something different

1209
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:49,640
Speaker 1: and it alarms them. And so you I I like

1210
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 1: the challenge because when you go through like that, Uh,

1211
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 1: if you're gonna just march prayed through a patch of

1212
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:58,799
Speaker 1: timber and think you're gonna get a buck, the buck's

1213
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 1: really got to be tired and sleep be. It occurred

1214
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 1: to me just while we're having this conversation that of

1215
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:09,840
Speaker 1: the three deer we got, um we got to be

1216
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 1: using three very different methods. We got one sort of

1217
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 1: like the one I got was like very like very

1218
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:21,920
Speaker 1: textbook spot and stock like spotted from way off. While

1219
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 1: we're like sitting there and intentionally glass in a distant hillside,

1220
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 1: crept up on it and you know, sniped it from

1221
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 1: ways off, and then Adam got one still hunting, creeping

1222
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 1: through the timber, and then ye only got one of

1223
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 1: the classic almost like deer drive, not almost classic classic.

1224
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 1: Well I don't always say almost because like more deer

1225
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 1: drives don't happen on anybody can say classic unless you

1226
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 1: were the one driving with Stewart. Do you want me

1227
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 1: to unpack mine? And then we silly story. We just

1228
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 1: you know, you and I Steve were he came around

1229
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:03,760
Speaker 1: on this hill where we knew there was a bunch

1230
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 1: of timber and you were going down. What were you told?

1231
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 1: Maybe three yards below me? Can of stop from the

1232
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 1: I'm then I'm gonna let you just go. Have you

1233
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:16,760
Speaker 1: heard the term still hunt me? No? I have, I have,

1234
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:20,559
Speaker 1: but I guess you know through the years, I'm not

1235
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 1: I'm not taking offense. I'm not taking offense that that

1236
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:27,120
Speaker 1: saying it like an Indian hunt. But I mean in

1237
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 1: the East he called a still hunt, and it means

1238
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 1: like going. I remember my dad writing a letter to

1239
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 1: the editor because the guy wrote an article. He had

1240
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 1: the letter. The letter to the editor was published and

1241
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 1: he kept in his office where a guy wrote an

1242
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:42,560
Speaker 1: article describing his still hunting strategy, and my dad calculated

1243
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:43,880
Speaker 1: it by the end of the day he would be

1244
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 1: fifty yards from his truck because his description that he

1245
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:52,560
Speaker 1: takes a step and waits five minutes or whatever. My

1246
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:55,520
Speaker 1: dad got to thinking, well, he wouldn't make it anywhere.

1247
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:00,519
Speaker 1: But so you have heard the term I have heard,

1248
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 1: murse I was misleading because you're not being still like

1249
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 1: you think, like, how is sitting in a tree stand

1250
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:10,439
Speaker 1: not still hunting? You're still, no one's going anywhere. But

1251
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 1: it means to still hunt means to not be still well,

1252
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:16,760
Speaker 1: and then be still and then not be still. Yeah,

1253
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:19,760
Speaker 1: I think the way I've always twisted it to make

1254
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:23,080
Speaker 1: make it make that term makes sense to make head. Yeah,

1255
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 1: that's a good way of putting it is that you

1256
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:29,679
Speaker 1: move in such a way that if something looks at you,

1257
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 1: it would perceive you as being still. That's what you

1258
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:36,760
Speaker 1: had to do to make that makes sense. That's fine, Okay,

1259
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:39,680
Speaker 1: go ahead, Adam. Sorry, that's why I wanted to get

1260
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 1: I wanted to get into I wanted to get into

1261
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 1: the Norman clature a little bit. So yeah, so we

1262
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:48,880
Speaker 1: we headed into this patch of timber knowing a few

1263
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 1: different things. Number One, if we were to spook a buck,

1264
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 1: you gotta be ready, like really quick. Sometimes what that

1265
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:59,519
Speaker 1: means is you've gotta be ready with your rifle really quick.

1266
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 1: So whether it's slung on your shoulder holding in your hand.

1267
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:04,760
Speaker 1: Number Two, you may not have a lot of time

1268
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:07,760
Speaker 1: to judge its size, and that makes it a little

1269
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 1: bit more challenging as well. But it also brings about

1270
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:12,640
Speaker 1: a different sort of adrenaline. You know, when you just

1271
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:14,479
Speaker 1: boom it it's right there, and what am I gonna

1272
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 1: do in that moment? Yeah, you feel all of a sudden,

1273
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 1: you feel very present. Yes. And and it also even

1274
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 1: right when you hop in the brush the timber at

1275
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 1: that moment, even though you have no clue if there's

1276
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 1: a deer in there or where the deer is, you

1277
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 1: feel like you're stocking something. And you have that they're like, okay,

1278
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 1: lets me real quiet. You know, you just even to

1279
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:36,640
Speaker 1: yourself and I'm gonna go because there's probably one right here,

1280
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:38,599
Speaker 1: and there's probably what So it it's kind of exciting,

1281
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you can't nap while steel, honey. Yeah.

1282
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:46,559
Speaker 1: And then also Stewart was pretty precise. He's like, you

1283
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:49,640
Speaker 1: go that far, you go that far, we'll meet you

1284
01:12:49,680 --> 01:13:00,600
Speaker 1: over here. Is this getting into zones? No, No, it

1285
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 1: was I was gonna be at the top, Steve, you

1286
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:05,479
Speaker 1: were going to be at the bottom, nearer, nearer to

1287
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 1: where there was kind of an open bench. And so

1288
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 1: so I went in towards the top and there's all

1289
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:13,920
Speaker 1: sorts of sign in there, both elk and deer, um

1290
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 1: and bear. Actually it's the same area that we've seen

1291
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 1: the black bear two days before, snow fresh and it

1292
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:24,160
Speaker 1: had snowed that morning. Is when it snowed. I believe

1293
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:26,880
Speaker 1: this is day three of our hunt. So we've gone

1294
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:30,560
Speaker 1: day one, day two. We'd seen a lot of bucks

1295
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:33,679
Speaker 1: every day. Uh, they'd all been small, nothing, I don't believe,

1296
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:35,479
Speaker 1: whider in their ears on those first couple of days.

1297
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:39,320
Speaker 1: And so we kind of I punched in there, and yeah,

1298
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 1: saw the bear heading the same direction that I was heading.

1299
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 1: With what would have been in the last five to

1300
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 1: six hours a bear had been through there in that

1301
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 1: same direction, came through a whole lot of elk signed,

1302
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:51,959
Speaker 1: a whole lot of deer sign a lot of beds, Uh,

1303
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:54,680
Speaker 1: beds were everywhere in there. I mean the smell was there.

1304
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 1: So all your senses, I mean it's fine, you know,

1305
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 1: I mean all your senses, you're seeing tracks, you're doing

1306
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:02,760
Speaker 1: all these things, and uh, it's so, you know, it

1307
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 1: was awesome. So we get to the middle of probably

1308
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 1: this section and i'd put, you know, on ax where

1309
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:10,280
Speaker 1: Stewart was going to be at the end, you know,

1310
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 1: a little put a little way point where we're gonna

1311
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 1: meet up, and so really kind of sidehiling, and all

1312
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 1: of a sudden, stepped in this open area in the

1313
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 1: middle of this timber where there's probably fifty yards of clearing,

1314
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 1: and there was a buck standing there and probably stood

1315
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 1: there for a second or two and then trot it

1316
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 1: off a period of three to four total seconds. Not

1317
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 1: enough to get my glass up, not it wasn't that

1318
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:34,760
Speaker 1: far though, at the same time, not enough to get

1319
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:36,760
Speaker 1: my rifle scope up. You know. It was just like

1320
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 1: there's a deer that you know, you're just kind of

1321
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:41,680
Speaker 1: taking off guarden. He didn't stand there for a long

1322
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:44,599
Speaker 1: time like sometimes they might do, and I was surprised,

1323
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:46,080
Speaker 1: to be honest, that we were able to sneak up

1324
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 1: on him like we did. He was on the other

1325
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:51,600
Speaker 1: edge of this kind of little open measure him he

1326
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 1: had probably stood up. Yes, yeah, definitely there, because when

1327
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 1: we walked over there a couple of minutes later is

1328
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 1: a bed right there. So I decided. I decided, I'm like,

1329
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:06,439
Speaker 1: usually if you bump a deer in that case, the

1330
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 1: deer's gone and okay, let's keep going through. And then

1331
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, now, we probably just went through and

1332
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:13,120
Speaker 1: bumped the whole stinking, you know side of the hill

1333
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 1: and everything's gonna be gone. Yeah, you don't generally decided

1334
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 1: to go and check out where it went, but I did. Well.

1335
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 1: I I just said, I wonder if I knew in

1336
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:26,120
Speaker 1: that case, in the midst of timber, there's no way

1337
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 1: on earth you'd ever in a million years gonna be

1338
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 1: able to catch up buck right, I mean one in

1339
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:32,719
Speaker 1: a million. But I said, if there's an open clearing,

1340
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 1: we could kind of I could kind of truck through

1341
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 1: this timber and maybe see it going up clearing it stops.

1342
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:40,640
Speaker 1: Broad said for a second, looks back at you, right,

1343
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:43,360
Speaker 1: that sort of thing, And so pull up the map.

1344
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:46,639
Speaker 1: It kind of looked along there and saw quarter mile,

1345
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:51,200
Speaker 1: half mile something like that further down this hill, you know,

1346
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:53,639
Speaker 1: sidehiling it so further in the direction I was already

1347
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 1: gonna be going, but slightly down a little towards the

1348
01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:59,519
Speaker 1: border of my zone and your zone. Steve close to

1349
01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 1: that but not across it. You just just I found you. Wait, wait,

1350
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:15,719
Speaker 1: I'm working at the lower end. I found you well

1351
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:19,559
Speaker 1: below me. I got on a hunt. I was hunting.

1352
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 1: It was fair chase, and I was chasing. You went

1353
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:29,599
Speaker 1: into like a third zone hadn't been discussed zone. That's correct,

1354
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:34,640
Speaker 1: that's correct. I cannot confirmed order that. So basically I

1355
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 1: go down through here and I kind of went up

1356
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 1: pirate first thing, and I looked down because I thought

1357
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:41,840
Speaker 1: the angled direction that the buck did leave was more

1358
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 1: down in the in the same direction that I had

1359
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 1: been going. And so anyways, I get to where this

1360
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:50,160
Speaker 1: clearing is and I get to look out in the

1361
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 1: clearing and there's no buck. But as I look towards

1362
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 1: the left down the hill, I see the rack through

1363
01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:02,639
Speaker 1: the trees. With my bare it was yards away. It's

1364
01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:04,920
Speaker 1: hard to range because it was through the trees, and

1365
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:07,800
Speaker 1: if I moved my head three inches or six inch

1366
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:09,680
Speaker 1: to the right left up or down, like I'd lose

1367
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 1: the deer. It was one of you know, when you

1368
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 1: just zone in. And it was like eyeball to eyeball.

1369
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:18,519
Speaker 1: With the window me looking straight at this deer straight on,

1370
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:20,559
Speaker 1: I could see it was wider in its ears, and

1371
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 1: it was wider and aning we see. I couldn't see

1372
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:25,439
Speaker 1: due to all the trees and branches. It couldn't see

1373
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 1: the forest, couldn't see more, you know about thickness, et cetera.

1374
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:34,320
Speaker 1: So I stopped and stared at this buck and got

1375
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 1: my buyos, and the buck didn't move, didn't blink, didn't

1376
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:39,880
Speaker 1: twitch and hear, and just stared right at me. It's

1377
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 1: crazy when you talk about Stewart, how the deer can

1378
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 1: see you, because I I felt pretty lucky that I

1379
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:48,599
Speaker 1: saw this deer through this window and it obviously saw

1380
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:51,639
Speaker 1: me right away. And so I'm looking through this thing

1381
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:53,639
Speaker 1: and I put up the buyos and I'm just wanting

1382
01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:55,479
Speaker 1: him to turn his head so I can get a

1383
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:58,719
Speaker 1: clear look from the side. Wouldn't turn his head, wouldn't

1384
01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 1: move things straight on one and then uh, I ended

1385
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:04,720
Speaker 1: up picking up my rifle. And and the thing is

1386
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 1: it was at that type of heights where I couldn't

1387
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:11,600
Speaker 1: I certainly couldn't go prone, I couldn't sit down, and

1388
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 1: I have that tripod, you know, and they can go

1389
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:15,640
Speaker 1: up and down or whatever, and uh that can use

1390
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:19,439
Speaker 1: his sticks. Uh. If I was standing like at a

1391
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 1: regular standing heights number one over a hundred yards, I

1392
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:24,599
Speaker 1: don't like to do free standing, specially with the visibility there.

1393
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 1: It was a crouching position. It was like the most

1394
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 1: awkward position, uh, that you can have, is this crouching position.

1395
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 1: Is the angle I could see the deer at I

1396
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:35,560
Speaker 1: knew if I left this window, the deer was gone.

1397
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:38,320
Speaker 1: And so I'm sitting there and I get my steak.

1398
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:41,000
Speaker 1: It must have looked like the most uncoordinated setup because

1399
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:43,880
Speaker 1: I'm like this, My feet kind of kept falling, and

1400
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 1: so I get the rest and I have the crosshairs

1401
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 1: on the deer, but I can only see kind of

1402
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 1: from the chest up half the chest up. It's looking

1403
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:54,400
Speaker 1: straight on. And so at that point I knew the thing.

1404
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:56,960
Speaker 1: I was hoping the thing would turn and then i'd

1405
01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 1: have maybe a second or two for it to step across,

1406
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:02,960
Speaker 1: maybe a wide enough clearing, maybe it's body length, and

1407
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 1: for me to judge its antlers and pull the trigger.

1408
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:09,200
Speaker 1: And so I was sitting there and I was thinking,

1409
01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:10,760
Speaker 1: but you know, how it is once you have your

1410
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:14,960
Speaker 1: cross hairs on the animal, once the animals looking at you,

1411
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 1: I can see it's wider in its ears. I even

1412
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:20,160
Speaker 1: turned to my cameraman behind me, who was with me,

1413
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 1: and said, I'm gonna kind of wait and see, and

1414
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:24,559
Speaker 1: I was like talking to him and just wrestling it

1415
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:26,960
Speaker 1: through my mind. As soon as he turns his shoulder,

1416
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:29,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna engage it. Well, sure enough, I finally get

1417
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 1: in position and it it had been minutes of just

1418
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 1: a direct stare off right there, and the deer turns

1419
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:42,320
Speaker 1: presents its shoulder and I just pulled the trigger. I

1420
01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 1: just it was that instinct of like, there's the shoulder,

1421
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:49,599
Speaker 1: there's the cross hairs through the trees, and uh down

1422
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:53,479
Speaker 1: it went in that one shot, and uh so I

1423
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 1: run around even kind of just leave my packs at

1424
01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:57,320
Speaker 1: my spotting scille down everything kind of on the ground

1425
01:19:57,360 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 1: steep hill, and I just because of the brush, I

1426
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 1: wanted to kind of get over to the side to

1427
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:05,160
Speaker 1: just see what's going on, what had happened. But I

1428
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:07,720
Speaker 1: could see that the thing just went straight down and

1429
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:10,720
Speaker 1: and sure enough it it didn't move but five or

1430
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 1: ten feet um from where we found it, and walked

1431
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:17,720
Speaker 1: up on the buck and UH started taking some you know,

1432
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:21,000
Speaker 1: some pictures and whatnot before we'd got it out and celebrating,

1433
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 1: and honestly, you know, i'd I'd been looking probably for

1434
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 1: a larger buck, but in that moment, it was the

1435
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 1: end of day three and we hadn't seen any shooter

1436
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:30,720
Speaker 1: bucks yet, and I just said, oh, let's get something

1437
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 1: on the ground. And I was, you know, I didn't

1438
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 1: wait eight years. It's a general tag for me. I'm like,

1439
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:37,840
Speaker 1: I'll just come back next year if I want to.

1440
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 1: This guy's gotta wait until, like my kids are grown

1441
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 1: and married and probably had children before. So then I

1442
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:46,600
Speaker 1: recovered the buck, and then all of a sudden, I

1443
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 1: see Steve walking clearly into my zone down Stewart and

1444
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:56,040
Speaker 1: they both heard the shot and UH and came up

1445
01:20:56,280 --> 01:20:58,720
Speaker 1: and it was I would say, probably pretty close to

1446
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:01,320
Speaker 1: your zone, Steve. It was, but it had traveled like

1447
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:04,720
Speaker 1: I'd spotted it well in my zone. And so I

1448
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:08,600
Speaker 1: don't know where that is in a book of hunting tactics,

1449
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:11,559
Speaker 1: but no, I think if you're on a hot trail,

1450
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:15,600
Speaker 1: you get to just I think, okay, how often do

1451
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:18,400
Speaker 1: you bump a deer while st still hunting, look at

1452
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:20,760
Speaker 1: something on a map, go and find it and shoot it.

1453
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:22,200
Speaker 1: But I would have shot that bug had I come

1454
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 1: across it. Yeah. Yeah, is afternoon to day three, which

1455
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:33,240
Speaker 1: incidentally just a point that I hadn't thought about. All

1456
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 1: of the bucks we shot this week, we're in the evening,

1457
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 1: early even hours. That's a good point. Well, you're right, Uh,

1458
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:44,760
Speaker 1: the one, the one I got. It's interesting story. But

1459
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 1: the highlight of my trip, Um, besides me to you guys,

1460
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:53,360
Speaker 1: I'm watching you work with the horses and and and

1461
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:56,840
Speaker 1: all that, which is really educational. Uh, the highlight of

1462
01:21:56,840 --> 01:22:00,200
Speaker 1: my trip was something I glimpsed. It's it's words really

1463
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 1: do it justice. But Uh, when we're all hunting, there's

1464
01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:05,600
Speaker 1: there's a there's a lot of deer around, and we

1465
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:11,839
Speaker 1: have a long time and we're all admirers of big mulders,

1466
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:15,800
Speaker 1: so we're trying to find you know, mature box big

1467
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 1: racks on them. Uh, and then kind of wrestling with

1468
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:21,639
Speaker 1: this equation of how much time do you have left? Right?

1469
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:23,840
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm definitely gonna get a buck, so

1470
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:26,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wait and wait, but I gotta wait too long.

1471
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:28,720
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's like I'm willing to go home with

1472
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:30,760
Speaker 1: no buck. I'm gonna keep waiting. And you know, you're

1473
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 1: wrestling all this out in your head, and meanwhile you're

1474
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:35,559
Speaker 1: looking at you're already seeing deer. And so every time

1475
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:39,120
Speaker 1: you see a mule deer's rump through the timber or

1476
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 1: wherever it is, um, no matter what I mean, you

1477
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:44,960
Speaker 1: gotta sit down and assess that thing and see what

1478
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:46,080
Speaker 1: it is like. Is it a buck? Is it a

1479
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 1: big buck? And there was a time I was I

1480
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:51,880
Speaker 1: think I was was. Yeah, I was with Steward. I

1481
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:53,200
Speaker 1: can't remember who else is there, but I was with

1482
01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:56,240
Speaker 1: you and we I think you had spotted a deer

1483
01:22:56,240 --> 01:23:00,879
Speaker 1: in September. And then I started looking in there and

1484
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:03,240
Speaker 1: and we started to put together there's three of them

1485
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:07,280
Speaker 1: in there, and we see two of them. We see

1486
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:10,720
Speaker 1: there are just two little ones, and there's a third one.

1487
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:14,760
Speaker 1: We're waiting for the third one to reveal itself. And

1488
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:18,400
Speaker 1: one of these other boxes, he'd stepped into a spot

1489
01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:21,080
Speaker 1: where he's just got the bright sunlight on his rump

1490
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:25,280
Speaker 1: and they really shine. And the buck that I was

1491
01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:27,760
Speaker 1: waiting to see, I couldn't see him at all. Now

1492
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:30,920
Speaker 1: he's completely behind a tree. But all of a sudden,

1493
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 1: I see the most perfect shadow of his rack on

1494
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:41,479
Speaker 1: the sunlit buck, to the point where I was like, oh,

1495
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:44,840
Speaker 1: it's a three by three because it's shadow was like

1496
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:49,680
Speaker 1: someone doing like finger puppets on the bedroom wall, blasted

1497
01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:52,879
Speaker 1: against this deer and it lasted like this fleeting glimpse.

1498
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:55,800
Speaker 1: But it was the most bizarre thing I've seen a while.

1499
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:58,760
Speaker 1: It's like a perfect like I didn't even need to

1500
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:02,200
Speaker 1: stick around to let him come out of where he

1501
01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:07,200
Speaker 1: was hiding because of how perfectly shadowed his uh deal was.

1502
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:10,000
Speaker 1: But the day I got the buck I got, we

1503
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:12,920
Speaker 1: kind of scoured around a fair bit and it was

1504
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:15,439
Speaker 1: real snowy, and the kind of strange thing that's really

1505
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:19,320
Speaker 1: fortuitous series of events happened where we saw a dough,

1506
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 1: where we saw a deer, and by the time we

1507
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 1: get set up a spotting scope this, the snow picked

1508
01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:27,840
Speaker 1: up so bad you couldn't see. So you went and

1509
01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:29,679
Speaker 1: hit out in some trees. You got out of the wind,

1510
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:32,800
Speaker 1: made a little fire and it got clear. And the

1511
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:35,280
Speaker 1: minute it got clear, right, well, let's go run down

1512
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:37,160
Speaker 1: and look at the hillside we were trying to go

1513
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:40,439
Speaker 1: look at and I'm still set up my spotting scope

1514
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:43,719
Speaker 1: and Landing's like, there's deer that looks like a buck.

1515
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:46,120
Speaker 1: I set up my spine and scope like, wow, that's

1516
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:48,840
Speaker 1: a that's a nice I mean nice buck. Was all

1517
01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:50,800
Speaker 1: the whole trip like that's a nice buck. And I

1518
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:53,960
Speaker 1: remember you had said, quote what a stud and so

1519
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:59,760
Speaker 1: the buck not me and it was that was it

1520
01:24:59,880 --> 01:25:02,360
Speaker 1: like nine yards away or something that's quite quite a

1521
01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:06,840
Speaker 1: ways way? And all of a sudden, our our camera

1522
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:10,599
Speaker 1: guy Lauren remarks like, man, is there a squall headed

1523
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:12,479
Speaker 1: our way? And I look up the mountain and just

1524
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:15,439
Speaker 1: like this wall of white is coming and this wall

1525
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:21,759
Speaker 1: of white and it was fog, intense wind and a

1526
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:26,840
Speaker 1: lot of snow just engulfs Us and Land and I

1527
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:29,040
Speaker 1: kind of look at each I were like, you know,

1528
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:33,519
Speaker 1: we could walk over there like this buck would never know.

1529
01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:40,320
Speaker 1: And we literally just ran threw a white out, arrived

1530
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:42,759
Speaker 1: at where we were, like below the buck. The white

1531
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:46,599
Speaker 1: out is so strong that we're able to pick which

1532
01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:48,800
Speaker 1: sort of tree would be best to hang out at

1533
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:51,640
Speaker 1: hunker down that eventus you could kind of see the

1534
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:54,960
Speaker 1: base of the hill, then you can make out some timber.

1535
01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:58,760
Speaker 1: Then it cleared and just there's the buck. Two and

1536
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:03,320
Speaker 1: fifty yards away. Nothing works out like that. It was perfect,

1537
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:05,240
Speaker 1: I mean the wind. We kept watching the wind to

1538
01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:07,880
Speaker 1: make sure that the our wind was right, and the

1539
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:12,160
Speaker 1: whole situation was just a perfect uh, perfect stock And

1540
01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:13,960
Speaker 1: it couldn't been any better because we caught him right

1541
01:26:13,960 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 1: in that window between the snowstorms, and then we were

1542
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:19,760
Speaker 1: able to use the snowstorm as our cover to then

1543
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:21,680
Speaker 1: get within a range where he didn't even know we

1544
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:23,800
Speaker 1: were there because we had a bare hillside with opa

1545
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:25,559
Speaker 1: pockets that we needed to be able to get through

1546
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:27,960
Speaker 1: to get down to him. But then the snow also

1547
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:31,000
Speaker 1: helped muffle the noise, you know, the wind and everything,

1548
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:33,200
Speaker 1: and then it got like beautifully calm. And the other

1549
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:35,600
Speaker 1: thing that we both observed later that never happens. We

1550
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:38,920
Speaker 1: had a landmark which was the shiny white the shiny tree,

1551
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:42,240
Speaker 1: nag uh. And a lot of times you kind of

1552
01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:46,040
Speaker 1: move aways and your landmarks ceased to make sense. But

1553
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 1: we got up and as it started to clear, we

1554
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:52,800
Speaker 1: were in agreement, like that's the tree, yea, And then

1555
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:56,720
Speaker 1: lo and behold, like the bark was under the tree.

1556
01:26:57,439 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 1: It was nothing, I mean not nothing ever works out

1557
01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:00,919
Speaker 1: that way. But that was one of the more amazing.

1558
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:03,479
Speaker 1: That's how good crooked sky is. They can call into

1559
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:11,439
Speaker 1: salls some of the squall. We had that kind of

1560
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:15,439
Speaker 1: power sometimes. But so how and how far was that?

1561
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:17,360
Speaker 1: How far did you get then when you stopped? Was

1562
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:20,759
Speaker 1: it to something? We stopped and hunkered down and waited

1563
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:24,160
Speaker 1: for the water to clear. And when the bucks stepped

1564
01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 1: I mean he still I say he stepped out, But yeah,

1565
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:29,640
Speaker 1: he stepped out. We we couldn't see him in all

1566
01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:34,080
Speaker 1: sinar he was two six yards. Nothing ever works out

1567
01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:38,400
Speaker 1: quite like that unless Stewart says, I've got a plan.

1568
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:41,800
Speaker 1: Let's drive this piece of timber up here at on

1569
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:44,280
Speaker 1: the side of the Shale Mountain and you just go

1570
01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:45,960
Speaker 1: and sit down at the end of the Shelle Mountain

1571
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:47,599
Speaker 1: and wait for a buck to come to you. Your

1572
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:49,720
Speaker 1: word for it doesn't give away your spot. That's your

1573
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:52,559
Speaker 1: own personal term for it. Or do people know it

1574
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:56,160
Speaker 1: as I think you said, huh, you know, I don't

1575
01:27:56,160 --> 01:27:59,439
Speaker 1: know that we we uh, we gave it a name,

1576
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:02,599
Speaker 1: but I don't think there's any name on a map

1577
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:04,200
Speaker 1: like that. But we gave gave it a name of

1578
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:08,679
Speaker 1: dangling gardens because you're virtually hanging when you're coming around

1579
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:12,320
Speaker 1: patch of timber. You're grabbing for any kind of pine

1580
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:16,160
Speaker 1: bow to keep you upright, because it's just it's really

1581
01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:20,520
Speaker 1: steep on the on the side, slant with rock and

1582
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:24,000
Speaker 1: and uh it's a workout. They'll have you in a lather,

1583
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:28,679
Speaker 1: just in a in about a half a mile, you know, hike.

1584
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:33,519
Speaker 1: I tripped eleven times and slid downhill on that drive.

1585
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:37,280
Speaker 1: For you, you had a little counter pressing the button

1586
01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:40,680
Speaker 1: every day. My my film guy just kept laughing and

1587
01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:43,120
Speaker 1: then other way back he kept doing it. That was

1588
01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:45,800
Speaker 1: and that's the thing, man, So much respect for you,

1589
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:48,200
Speaker 1: steward of of the I mean the physical nature. We

1590
01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:51,720
Speaker 1: talked at about horseback, but I mean that that day,

1591
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:53,599
Speaker 1: uh that you shot your Bucky on us, I mean

1592
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:55,360
Speaker 1: it was you know, there's I think I looked it

1593
01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:58,559
Speaker 1: was eighteen miles and maybe ten of that was on horseback,

1594
01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:02,400
Speaker 1: and eight we didn't stop for fourteen hours. We were

1595
01:29:02,439 --> 01:29:05,240
Speaker 1: just just going, yeah, I know, it was a beautiful

1596
01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:08,160
Speaker 1: day to walk around the mountains. And he was just

1597
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:14,800
Speaker 1: yeah that good horse rides. Oh No, I want to

1598
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:16,080
Speaker 1: tell the story of the things that I think it

1599
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:19,559
Speaker 1: kind of demonstrates. One year hunting was someone who spent

1600
01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:24,920
Speaker 1: thirty years hunting the area. Yeah, just like talking about

1601
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:27,559
Speaker 1: how that played out with the buck he got. Well.

1602
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:29,120
Speaker 1: Prior to that was the first day I got to

1603
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:30,720
Speaker 1: hunt with Steward prid Of that had been hunting with

1604
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:33,200
Speaker 1: Land and we've been hunting sort of the other side

1605
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:37,240
Speaker 1: of this drainage and looking over at this mountain which

1606
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:42,920
Speaker 1: dangling gardens dangle on, and he kept saying, you know,

1607
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:46,559
Speaker 1: there's bucks in that patch of timber, and like when

1608
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:49,640
Speaker 1: you're seeing them. Well, no, well he's seen him there

1609
01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:52,559
Speaker 1: in the past. And Adam went by it one day

1610
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:55,360
Speaker 1: and he's like, man, it's just like a big rocky hillside.

1611
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:57,960
Speaker 1: There's probably not any bucks over there. And then the

1612
01:29:58,040 --> 01:30:00,519
Speaker 1: next day or no, that same afternoon, I hunted it

1613
01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:03,760
Speaker 1: backwards and I looked over there some and I'm like, yeah,

1614
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:06,240
Speaker 1: it just doesn't look like a real bucky spot because

1615
01:30:06,280 --> 01:30:12,640
Speaker 1: it's just like rocks to right. Yeah, yeah, Um, it

1616
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:14,599
Speaker 1: wasn't Wasn't there a story of the past where we've

1617
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:16,720
Speaker 1: done the same thing and a lot of bucks came

1618
01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:20,200
Speaker 1: out there. Yeah. We had a hunter from Pennsylvanian and

1619
01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:23,080
Speaker 1: he'd been all over he'd been to Africa and so

1620
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:24,880
Speaker 1: he you know, when he was he was a good hunter.

1621
01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:27,040
Speaker 1: But he was in there his older years, and so

1622
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:30,479
Speaker 1: that was a way for there. It couldn't have been

1623
01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:33,240
Speaker 1: that old. Well he was, he was in his uh

1624
01:30:33,439 --> 01:30:37,480
Speaker 1: he would have been in his late late sixties, early seventies,

1625
01:30:38,160 --> 01:30:40,920
Speaker 1: and uh he was a bigger fellow and and but

1626
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:44,920
Speaker 1: pretty physical and robust even at his age. But we

1627
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:47,720
Speaker 1: rode him. We got him, uh, dropped off at the

1628
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:51,320
Speaker 1: point that would have been close to where on horseback

1629
01:30:52,200 --> 01:30:55,400
Speaker 1: he wasn't gonna get off. So we we we we walk.

1630
01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:00,280
Speaker 1: That was a drop off, not the not the high through,

1631
01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:03,960
Speaker 1: but we we went through that same batch of timber.

1632
01:31:04,040 --> 01:31:06,280
Speaker 1: We'd had it. It was a tough we were having it.

1633
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:09,400
Speaker 1: It was a dry, uh kind of an almost Indian

1634
01:31:09,439 --> 01:31:13,040
Speaker 1: summary type hunt week, and so everything was just really

1635
01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:16,080
Speaker 1: tough and held up in the timber tighten. We thought,

1636
01:31:16,120 --> 01:31:18,360
Speaker 1: this is one of our only options is to see

1637
01:31:18,360 --> 01:31:20,600
Speaker 1: if we can walk through this, uh, this strip of

1638
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:24,679
Speaker 1: timber which has kind of a natural funnel effect. They

1639
01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:26,960
Speaker 1: don't like to go down on that. They they'd rather

1640
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:30,720
Speaker 1: traverse around because they've got to cover and feed. And

1641
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:33,080
Speaker 1: we haven't dissed. We don't have time to get into

1642
01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:36,080
Speaker 1: we haven't discussed the slide like this is the most

1643
01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:41,120
Speaker 1: slide rock intensive location I've ever been. It's it's it's

1644
01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:43,360
Speaker 1: a lot of rock and and a lot of we

1645
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:45,719
Speaker 1: call it slide rock up that you know from our tourman.

1646
01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:47,760
Speaker 1: Nothing wants to walk on that stuff. They don't, they

1647
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:50,800
Speaker 1: don't like to, and so that's part of the you know,

1648
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:53,599
Speaker 1: that timber was kind of nestled in such a way

1649
01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:56,960
Speaker 1: that as it came around in a tree line fashion

1650
01:31:58,479 --> 01:32:01,479
Speaker 1: on that on that mountain that in the past we

1651
01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:04,479
Speaker 1: had driven that and we had driven out. When we

1652
01:32:04,520 --> 01:32:06,840
Speaker 1: got over, we heard a shot get around. He just

1653
01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:09,080
Speaker 1: killed a buck. And the guy says, I had to

1654
01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:11,320
Speaker 1: do something. He says that there were thirteen bucks went

1655
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:14,080
Speaker 1: in front of me and I had to take so,

1656
01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:17,000
Speaker 1: you know, he just you know, he just it blew

1657
01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:20,080
Speaker 1: him away that that would even because I think and

1658
01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:22,439
Speaker 1: I thought the same thing early on is when you

1659
01:32:22,520 --> 01:32:26,000
Speaker 1: glass that, you're thinking, there's no way it's too rocky too.

1660
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:28,200
Speaker 1: But they like it does have brush in there that

1661
01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:31,240
Speaker 1: they like to nibble on. But there's there's the places

1662
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:35,000
Speaker 1: that they've through the years of you know, pawt out

1663
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:37,240
Speaker 1: to make a bed on the uphill side of it. Yeah,

1664
01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:40,240
Speaker 1: they like excavate their beds, and they do. That buck

1665
01:32:40,280 --> 01:32:42,160
Speaker 1: I got was in a place I feel a lot

1666
01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:47,640
Speaker 1: of I feel most hunters would would not scrutinize the

1667
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:49,720
Speaker 1: hill where I found the buck because they're gonna be

1668
01:32:49,720 --> 01:32:52,120
Speaker 1: looking at the meadowy stuff, right, You're gonna see all

1669
01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:57,040
Speaker 1: those beautiful grassy meadows, not realizing that those older box

1670
01:32:57,160 --> 01:33:02,080
Speaker 1: are in the not there in like like hidie holes,

1671
01:33:02,120 --> 01:33:04,960
Speaker 1: like weird spots. You know. When we walked through those

1672
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:07,320
Speaker 1: trees doing the drive and I saw a bed and

1673
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:10,519
Speaker 1: I was like, how did this bed even hardly get made?

1674
01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:12,439
Speaker 1: I mean it's like, how do you even level it out?

1675
01:33:12,479 --> 01:33:15,720
Speaker 1: I mean it's but they felt safe up there. I

1676
01:33:15,720 --> 01:33:17,400
Speaker 1: mean we didn't think they were there. Probably nobody thought

1677
01:33:17,400 --> 01:33:19,160
Speaker 1: they were there. I didn't think there's anything living on

1678
01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:23,559
Speaker 1: the side of that dangling gardens. That's that's their bed

1679
01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:26,360
Speaker 1: down the site. You all that they can, especially when

1680
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:28,280
Speaker 1: it's cold, they can go around it. It gets that

1681
01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:31,599
Speaker 1: it's on a south facing slope and they can get

1682
01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:35,320
Speaker 1: that sun. And yet they've got escape routes you know,

1683
01:33:35,400 --> 01:33:39,080
Speaker 1: out the wazoo. Uh, they can go down if they're spooked.

1684
01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:42,120
Speaker 1: But you were pretty confident when we were there ahead

1685
01:33:42,160 --> 01:33:44,400
Speaker 1: of time with the honest you know, we even said,

1686
01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:47,200
Speaker 1: well wouldn't they go down or whatever? They'll go usually

1687
01:33:47,240 --> 01:33:51,599
Speaker 1: go right around to go around. Yeah. Yeah, when we

1688
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:53,599
Speaker 1: were looking at it from across the way, you kept saying,

1689
01:33:53,680 --> 01:33:56,240
Speaker 1: see how that bandit timbers rafts right around that point,

1690
01:33:56,280 --> 01:33:58,639
Speaker 1: you know, and it narrows down. It just necks down

1691
01:33:59,240 --> 01:34:01,840
Speaker 1: to where if they want to stay near any kind

1692
01:34:01,840 --> 01:34:07,720
Speaker 1: of timber they have to take this one path. Um.

1693
01:34:07,760 --> 01:34:10,240
Speaker 1: So yeah, anyways, I hate to skip through all that

1694
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:12,440
Speaker 1: all this day because we had this just this wonderful

1695
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:16,920
Speaker 1: day of hunting that culminated in this in shooting this box,

1696
01:34:16,960 --> 01:34:20,440
Speaker 1: because we had seen prior to that, I think eight

1697
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:24,479
Speaker 1: other bogs. We had three inches of fresh snow that morning,

1698
01:34:24,520 --> 01:34:26,200
Speaker 1: like the biggest snow we had gotten. It was the

1699
01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:28,640
Speaker 1: morning after you killed yours. That squall had come in

1700
01:34:28,720 --> 01:34:31,040
Speaker 1: that allowed you to kill yours, laid down about two

1701
01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:33,679
Speaker 1: or three inches depending on where you were in the mountains.

1702
01:34:34,240 --> 01:34:36,080
Speaker 1: And it was just like that. You couldn't pick a

1703
01:34:36,120 --> 01:34:38,479
Speaker 1: better morning. And that's something I'd like to remark on.

1704
01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:41,479
Speaker 1: Did you notice how the weather seemed to really like

1705
01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:44,000
Speaker 1: it was either like very nice or you'd have this

1706
01:34:44,160 --> 01:34:47,880
Speaker 1: like crazy squaw move in and holy shit, and then

1707
01:34:48,360 --> 01:34:50,160
Speaker 1: that would last for not too long and then all

1708
01:34:50,160 --> 01:34:55,120
Speaker 1: sudden just be beautiful again. There wasn't a lot of

1709
01:34:55,160 --> 01:34:57,640
Speaker 1: in between. There's a lot of putting clothes on and

1710
01:34:57,680 --> 01:35:05,479
Speaker 1: taking them off. Laters are very important for um. But yeah,

1711
01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:08,640
Speaker 1: we hiked around a good bit. Like Adam said, we

1712
01:35:08,680 --> 01:35:11,400
Speaker 1: did basically one whole hunt and then decided to continue

1713
01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:14,559
Speaker 1: up the mountain, got back on our horses, and that's

1714
01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:17,439
Speaker 1: when we like, I felt like we graduated to level

1715
01:35:17,479 --> 01:35:21,360
Speaker 1: ten horse riding was that afternoon because we just went

1716
01:35:21,439 --> 01:35:24,160
Speaker 1: off the trail and straight up, straight up. It was

1717
01:35:24,200 --> 01:35:27,240
Speaker 1: the Man from Snowy River, but uphill down. If you

1718
01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:32,920
Speaker 1: watch that movie backwards, it was man, it was it

1719
01:35:33,040 --> 01:35:36,400
Speaker 1: was cool. Um, where do we get to? We got

1720
01:35:36,439 --> 01:35:39,080
Speaker 1: to like, uh, we got to a pass. We got

1721
01:35:39,160 --> 01:35:41,840
Speaker 1: up to a rim that that had could look down

1722
01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:44,280
Speaker 1: into a bowl, great big bowl. It was actually the

1723
01:35:44,280 --> 01:35:46,200
Speaker 1: only time we stopped all day. Did lunch there for

1724
01:35:46,200 --> 01:35:48,639
Speaker 1: about a half hour, and other gnat from dark to dark.

1725
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:53,320
Speaker 1: We didn't stop moving, right, I mean, other standing glass. Yeah,

1726
01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:55,280
Speaker 1: other than the time when we got up to the

1727
01:35:55,320 --> 01:35:58,800
Speaker 1: top of this unnamed peak and Stewart said I've got

1728
01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:05,120
Speaker 1: a plan and involve you, Adam and Stewart walking the

1729
01:36:05,240 --> 01:36:07,200
Speaker 1: dangling gardens. And I was gonna get to walk down

1730
01:36:07,200 --> 01:36:08,960
Speaker 1: the ridge and go sit and wait for bucks to

1731
01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:14,040
Speaker 1: come around the corner. And uh, yeah, it worked out perfectly.

1732
01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:16,640
Speaker 1: I got Also, I got nestled in and I had

1733
01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:19,240
Speaker 1: a nice little shooting perch when I had my tripods

1734
01:36:19,240 --> 01:36:22,080
Speaker 1: set up where I could shoot zero to two or

1735
01:36:22,160 --> 01:36:24,800
Speaker 1: fifty yards if they came close and if they got

1736
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:27,040
Speaker 1: by me. And it's kind of spilled out in this

1737
01:36:27,120 --> 01:36:29,000
Speaker 1: big open basin that was to my left. I had

1738
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:32,000
Speaker 1: my pack already set up so I could switch positions

1739
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:33,840
Speaker 1: and get on my pack and make a longer shot.

1740
01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:39,080
Speaker 1: You had your mees on plas. Yes, that's culinary term. Yes, four,

1741
01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:46,280
Speaker 1: all your stuff in order. Yeah, you're prep um. I

1742
01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:50,000
Speaker 1: used to do a lot of MEAs in plas. Uh

1743
01:36:50,040 --> 01:36:55,240
Speaker 1: do you know what she was trying to remember? The term? Now,

1744
01:36:55,760 --> 01:36:59,360
Speaker 1: when you cut like a real fine dice, like a

1745
01:36:59,439 --> 01:37:02,200
Speaker 1: quarter inch, what's that called? You gotta have like quarter

1746
01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:06,160
Speaker 1: ins dice carrots and your musing plus come on, you know,

1747
01:37:06,200 --> 01:37:08,120
Speaker 1: I know that when you get your carrots and your onions,

1748
01:37:08,160 --> 01:37:12,200
Speaker 1: your mushroom diced up. It's a mere plais Yeah, no mushroom,

1749
01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:20,360
Speaker 1: so just selary but not to diverge. Um. I was

1750
01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:23,320
Speaker 1: ready and it took a while. You called on the

1751
01:37:23,400 --> 01:37:25,200
Speaker 1: radio and he said are you ready? I said, yeah,

1752
01:37:25,320 --> 01:37:28,439
Speaker 1: said we're starting in. And a lot of times on

1753
01:37:28,479 --> 01:37:30,040
Speaker 1: the drive, I feel like, if it's gonna happen, it

1754
01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:32,200
Speaker 1: happens pretty quick, because you bump something as soon as

1755
01:37:32,240 --> 01:37:34,600
Speaker 1: you get into the patch that you're gonna push, and

1756
01:37:34,640 --> 01:37:36,760
Speaker 1: the deer or the elk or whatever goes through its

1757
01:37:36,840 --> 01:37:40,360
Speaker 1: own and it happens. Well, like fifteen minutes went by,

1758
01:37:40,560 --> 01:37:43,760
Speaker 1: and I'm chatting with Tyler, the camera guy, and I'm like, yeah,

1759
01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:46,120
Speaker 1: I'm half expecting these guys just to pop out at

1760
01:37:46,120 --> 01:37:49,720
Speaker 1: any moment, you know, we'll be getting on out of here. Well,

1761
01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:52,439
Speaker 1: I'm telling myself, stay ready, stay ready, And sure enough,

1762
01:37:52,720 --> 01:37:55,400
Speaker 1: like right on the point of the ridge, here comes

1763
01:37:55,400 --> 01:38:00,639
Speaker 1: two bodies, you know, two bucks coming together. Yep, and uh,

1764
01:38:00,680 --> 01:38:04,599
Speaker 1: they were probably I don't know, a hundred yards hundred

1765
01:38:04,600 --> 01:38:07,519
Speaker 1: fifty yards below me, kind of wrapping around and at

1766
01:38:07,560 --> 01:38:09,880
Speaker 1: some point, for whatever reason, when they were maybe twitter

1767
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:12,000
Speaker 1: yards away, they decided to come straight up the hill.

1768
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:14,519
Speaker 1: But I knew they wouldn't go over the top because

1769
01:38:14,520 --> 01:38:17,400
Speaker 1: it's all that shale rock and you know, just there's

1770
01:38:17,400 --> 01:38:19,880
Speaker 1: no nothing to travel on and so they want to

1771
01:38:19,960 --> 01:38:22,880
Speaker 1: kind of hit that stuff. They turned. It almost made

1772
01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:25,240
Speaker 1: it tough because they were coming almost at me. I

1773
01:38:25,280 --> 01:38:26,920
Speaker 1: didn't really have a shot. I would have shot him

1774
01:38:26,920 --> 01:38:29,040
Speaker 1: earlier had he give me, give me a broadside shot

1775
01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:31,360
Speaker 1: when he came and kept just coming at me side

1776
01:38:31,400 --> 01:38:35,840
Speaker 1: to wait until they finally just like the angle decreased

1777
01:38:35,880 --> 01:38:39,080
Speaker 1: and he became broadside and that was probably there was

1778
01:38:39,120 --> 01:38:44,080
Speaker 1: somewhere between fifty and seventy yards. It's pretty close. Piled

1779
01:38:44,120 --> 01:38:48,400
Speaker 1: him up, Yeah, yeah, shot I had. I was shooting

1780
01:38:48,439 --> 01:38:51,720
Speaker 1: for like chest, like front of the front shoulder because

1781
01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:55,559
Speaker 1: he was quartering two pretty severely, and uh he was moving.

1782
01:38:55,600 --> 01:38:57,599
Speaker 1: He just had a little gap that he went through,

1783
01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:00,880
Speaker 1: and uh I touched off, caught him in like the

1784
01:39:00,920 --> 01:39:06,280
Speaker 1: lower neck, lost my neck, grosstst half of one shoulder.

1785
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:10,680
Speaker 1: But a piled up you didn't go anywhere. There was

1786
01:39:10,760 --> 01:39:14,400
Speaker 1: three three bullets fired and three bucks down. I remember

1787
01:39:14,439 --> 01:39:20,479
Speaker 1: hearing that shot from across the canyon because yeah, and uh,

1788
01:39:20,760 --> 01:39:23,680
Speaker 1: I just listened for the radio chatter after that, and

1789
01:39:23,960 --> 01:39:26,559
Speaker 1: Stewart came on the radio asking if Yanni had shot

1790
01:39:26,560 --> 01:39:28,800
Speaker 1: and Joanni said, I had to shoot him almost in

1791
01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:36,320
Speaker 1: self defense. Yeah, he was gonna go for me. It

1792
01:39:36,439 --> 01:39:40,240
Speaker 1: was good. I'm gonna do. I'm gonna do my concluders,

1793
01:39:40,479 --> 01:39:46,639
Speaker 1: My concluders A two part concluder. Okay, um, part my part.

1794
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:51,040
Speaker 1: One of my concluder is we had there was a

1795
01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:53,919
Speaker 1: big winter kill, two big winter kills in western Wyoming.

1796
01:39:55,320 --> 01:39:57,720
Speaker 1: And don't don't they estimate that about fifty of the

1797
01:39:57,760 --> 01:40:01,160
Speaker 1: mule deer got killed. Well, our phone mortality was over

1798
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:05,680
Speaker 1: and uh, I don't know what the total, but you know,

1799
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:10,920
Speaker 1: you look you lose over your your phone crop that severe.

1800
01:40:11,439 --> 01:40:13,840
Speaker 1: And we had talked about doing this hunt a couple

1801
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:20,400
Speaker 1: of years ago in Landing. Uh generously in character with himself,

1802
01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:22,479
Speaker 1: UH said, you know, you guys might want to wait

1803
01:40:23,040 --> 01:40:25,720
Speaker 1: a little bit to see kind of how things are

1804
01:40:25,720 --> 01:40:29,520
Speaker 1: gonna shake out with the meal to your population. Um.

1805
01:40:29,560 --> 01:40:32,160
Speaker 1: And there's still some chatter, you know, in in in

1806
01:40:33,120 --> 01:40:35,200
Speaker 1: Um people who like to hunt this area to some

1807
01:40:35,320 --> 01:40:39,320
Speaker 1: still some chatter about is it worth it or not?

1808
01:40:39,479 --> 01:40:43,360
Speaker 1: And how are the mule that you're doing? Uh? My

1809
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:51,840
Speaker 1: sense after looking around, is that barring another weather catastrophe Um,

1810
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:54,840
Speaker 1: this place is gonna be special in a couple of

1811
01:40:54,880 --> 01:40:57,599
Speaker 1: years because there are a lot of up and coming

1812
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:00,439
Speaker 1: I don't know if it always seems like that, but

1813
01:41:00,479 --> 01:41:02,080
Speaker 1: there seems to be like a lot of up and

1814
01:41:02,120 --> 01:41:06,439
Speaker 1: coming bucks, like a lot of like classic four by

1815
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:10,240
Speaker 1: four mule deer Bucks on the mountain right now that

1816
01:41:10,280 --> 01:41:13,080
Speaker 1: are younger your three and four year old bucks. Yeah.

1817
01:41:13,120 --> 01:41:17,200
Speaker 1: And if, like unless something some kind of other catastrophe

1818
01:41:17,240 --> 01:41:18,960
Speaker 1: would happen, I'd have to think that things are gonna

1819
01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:22,600
Speaker 1: be like things are gonna be kind of back to

1820
01:41:22,640 --> 01:41:26,000
Speaker 1: the good old days. The genetics, the genetics are all there,

1821
01:41:26,640 --> 01:41:29,280
Speaker 1: and and the ones that survived that those tough winners

1822
01:41:29,360 --> 01:41:31,760
Speaker 1: are only going to pass on those good genetics and

1823
01:41:31,800 --> 01:41:35,439
Speaker 1: continue to build our herd. Um And. So I you know,

1824
01:41:35,560 --> 01:41:38,679
Speaker 1: I think what we saw this week, you know, I

1825
01:41:38,760 --> 01:41:42,559
Speaker 1: we probably saw forty or fifty different bucks, um and,

1826
01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:44,760
Speaker 1: and a good chunk of those, I think, being four

1827
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:48,440
Speaker 1: point that are up and coming gonna be the majority.

1828
01:41:48,680 --> 01:41:51,799
Speaker 1: This is really surprising, the majority. It almost you always

1829
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:54,440
Speaker 1: have to worry about the where are all the forkys?

1830
01:41:55,280 --> 01:41:56,600
Speaker 1: So I don't know where you guys are gonna be

1831
01:41:56,600 --> 01:41:59,720
Speaker 1: at five years, but in one or two years. That's

1832
01:41:59,720 --> 01:42:01,599
Speaker 1: what they know. And that points out the fact when

1833
01:42:01,600 --> 01:42:04,320
Speaker 1: you don't see that many forkies, that you realize that, yeah,

1834
01:42:04,320 --> 01:42:07,040
Speaker 1: that the fun mortality was up. That was two years ago.

1835
01:42:07,080 --> 01:42:09,799
Speaker 1: Whenn't it well too well, I think too back almost

1836
01:42:09,800 --> 01:42:13,519
Speaker 1: back to back, we've had the almost comparable. It's true

1837
01:42:13,520 --> 01:42:15,040
Speaker 1: we did not see a lot of films. There are

1838
01:42:15,120 --> 01:42:17,479
Speaker 1: a lot of like books that are like like Doug

1839
01:42:17,560 --> 01:42:19,200
Speaker 1: during says, there are a lot of nice buck next

1840
01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:25,040
Speaker 1: year's Um. That's my one observation. The second we don't

1841
01:42:25,080 --> 01:42:28,840
Speaker 1: do many um a lot of us with you, none

1842
01:42:28,840 --> 01:42:31,200
Speaker 1: at all. We don't do many hunts to go out

1843
01:42:31,280 --> 01:42:39,080
Speaker 1: with outfitters. Uh. But man, it's real eye opening. Um.

1844
01:42:39,120 --> 01:42:44,519
Speaker 1: I realized that it's almost like a kind of it's

1845
01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:47,320
Speaker 1: almost like a like a like a kind of vanity

1846
01:42:47,479 --> 01:42:51,720
Speaker 1: or something, or like a kind of pride that uh

1847
01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:56,920
Speaker 1: would prevent one partially to prevent one from wanting to

1848
01:42:56,960 --> 01:42:58,920
Speaker 1: go and like have someone else be really in the

1849
01:42:59,000 --> 01:43:02,120
Speaker 1: driver's seat, you know. Um, you get to relacate, like, oh,

1850
01:43:02,160 --> 01:43:03,680
Speaker 1: I know how to do you know, I know what

1851
01:43:03,720 --> 01:43:06,000
Speaker 1: I'm doing. I'll do it, by God, I can do

1852
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:09,160
Speaker 1: it myself. Uh. And I kind of over the years

1853
01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:12,719
Speaker 1: developed that sentiment a little bit. And and there's another

1854
01:43:12,920 --> 01:43:15,040
Speaker 1: friend of ours, Jay Scott, who I've spent something he's

1855
01:43:15,040 --> 01:43:18,320
Speaker 1: a guide and spend some time around him. Um, and

1856
01:43:18,360 --> 01:43:20,800
Speaker 1: you learn a lot. It was fun, Like it was

1857
01:43:20,920 --> 01:43:23,920
Speaker 1: really fun to be out with you guys and see, Um,

1858
01:43:24,120 --> 01:43:28,559
Speaker 1: you have phenomenal game eyes. I want to know if

1859
01:43:28,600 --> 01:43:33,360
Speaker 1: you have a good game. I in looking for those

1860
01:43:33,439 --> 01:43:36,080
Speaker 1: animals in that spot. I'd love to see if you

1861
01:43:36,160 --> 01:43:38,040
Speaker 1: got a good game I somewhere else. I don't know,

1862
01:43:39,240 --> 01:43:41,080
Speaker 1: like if you were in Michigan, would you be spotting

1863
01:43:41,120 --> 01:43:44,040
Speaker 1: deer through thick brush all the time? Would you'd be like,

1864
01:43:44,120 --> 01:43:48,200
Speaker 1: there's a dear ankle twenty yards away? Or um, you know,

1865
01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:50,640
Speaker 1: you guys have phenomenal game eyes. And then just the

1866
01:43:50,680 --> 01:43:54,680
Speaker 1: stuff about the horses, and I appreciate and hanging out

1867
01:43:54,680 --> 01:43:56,400
Speaker 1: with you guys. That's why I would just so hardly

1868
01:43:56,400 --> 01:43:58,080
Speaker 1: recommend people that want to go do a hunt like

1869
01:43:58,080 --> 01:44:02,720
Speaker 1: this to hook up with you guys. Is um you

1870
01:44:02,720 --> 01:44:07,760
Speaker 1: you teach like you guys teach without lecturing. I don't

1871
01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:09,800
Speaker 1: know quite know how to put it, but in a

1872
01:44:09,880 --> 01:44:15,120
Speaker 1: very like gracious, friendly way of just wanting not wanting

1873
01:44:15,160 --> 01:44:17,080
Speaker 1: to like get people to do what you want to do,

1874
01:44:17,560 --> 01:44:22,479
Speaker 1: but just wanting to get people to um have an experience. Yeah,

1875
01:44:22,560 --> 01:44:24,639
Speaker 1: like you have an experience and come away a better person.

1876
01:44:24,840 --> 01:44:28,280
Speaker 1: Like you really shared a lot of information. You shared

1877
01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:30,680
Speaker 1: a lot of information in a very cool way, like

1878
01:44:30,720 --> 01:44:39,679
Speaker 1: a really digestible, friendly way. Um without ever yeah, without

1879
01:44:39,680 --> 01:44:43,720
Speaker 1: ever seeming like you guys are look down on your clients,

1880
01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:48,679
Speaker 1: are annoyed by your guests, right, or that you're there,

1881
01:44:48,760 --> 01:44:51,479
Speaker 1: like you'd got it done so fast if they weren't

1882
01:44:51,520 --> 01:44:54,880
Speaker 1: there kind of attitude. It was really fun. But I

1883
01:44:54,920 --> 01:44:59,800
Speaker 1: had a really really great six days of hanging out

1884
01:44:59,800 --> 01:45:02,240
Speaker 1: with you. Well it's like I told you guys that

1885
01:45:02,320 --> 01:45:04,320
Speaker 1: before we left. You know, it's fun to hunt with

1886
01:45:04,360 --> 01:45:08,880
Speaker 1: guys that are willing and game hunters to do what

1887
01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:13,880
Speaker 1: it takes to hunt in a fair chase style. Uh,

1888
01:45:13,880 --> 01:45:16,160
Speaker 1: and know that there's always a chance that you might

1889
01:45:16,200 --> 01:45:20,680
Speaker 1: not find that uh dream buck that you imagined that

1890
01:45:20,760 --> 01:45:24,439
Speaker 1: you were going to see behind every tree. I think

1891
01:45:24,479 --> 01:45:27,240
Speaker 1: you honest, And I've talked earlier about the you know,

1892
01:45:27,280 --> 01:45:30,280
Speaker 1: the tough winner, and that there was always that possibility.

1893
01:45:30,360 --> 01:45:33,480
Speaker 1: We hadn't really seen what what we were gonna experience,

1894
01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:36,519
Speaker 1: but what it became apparent and I have to be honest,

1895
01:45:36,560 --> 01:45:39,640
Speaker 1: I was nervous knowing that you guys had you know,

1896
01:45:40,280 --> 01:45:44,240
Speaker 1: eight eight points. That's a lot of points, UH had

1897
01:45:44,240 --> 01:45:47,080
Speaker 1: taken and cash in on those to come and hunt

1898
01:45:47,120 --> 01:45:50,879
Speaker 1: with us this year. Uh, maybe it'd be a disaster

1899
01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:53,519
Speaker 1: that we wouldn't see any dear that it was. It

1900
01:45:53,560 --> 01:45:58,960
Speaker 1: was gonna be that tough, But you guys made it

1901
01:45:59,160 --> 01:46:02,479
Speaker 1: worthwhile to with because you guys had good game eyes,

1902
01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:07,320
Speaker 1: which improves our ability of saying, Okay, we know the train.

1903
01:46:07,439 --> 01:46:09,599
Speaker 1: You guys you know may have seen that buck. Now

1904
01:46:10,320 --> 01:46:11,840
Speaker 1: we know how a little bit how to get to that.

1905
01:46:12,479 --> 01:46:16,439
Speaker 1: Those are things that to me, the experience of the

1906
01:46:16,520 --> 01:46:20,000
Speaker 1: hunter that comes and hunts with us is is overall,

1907
01:46:20,439 --> 01:46:23,439
Speaker 1: whether it's in camp, whether it's on horseback, because the

1908
01:46:23,479 --> 01:46:26,040
Speaker 1: more you can enjoy the horseback ride, the more you'll

1909
01:46:26,080 --> 01:46:29,519
Speaker 1: enjoy the overall hunt, because uh, it's no fun if

1910
01:46:29,560 --> 01:46:33,080
Speaker 1: if if you're just if you got you know, puckered up,

1911
01:46:33,120 --> 01:46:40,280
Speaker 1: but in the saddle thinking thinking when this ride gonna

1912
01:46:40,280 --> 01:46:43,240
Speaker 1: be over? You know, I I to me it it

1913
01:46:43,400 --> 01:46:46,439
Speaker 1: just I could empathize because I knew I grew up

1914
01:46:46,520 --> 01:46:48,680
Speaker 1: on a horse and the first time I went with

1915
01:46:48,800 --> 01:46:51,280
Speaker 1: Dad hunting as a fourteen year old boy and we

1916
01:46:51,280 --> 01:46:56,440
Speaker 1: were traversing across a sidehill that was slick and snowy,

1917
01:46:56,520 --> 01:46:58,719
Speaker 1: and my horse slipped. It just frightened me to death.

1918
01:46:59,720 --> 01:47:02,120
Speaker 1: And that Wow, I don't know if i've it's not

1919
01:47:02,280 --> 01:47:05,240
Speaker 1: very comfortable scenario. Yeah, it's been a lot time wondered

1920
01:47:05,320 --> 01:47:07,320
Speaker 1: what's like to have one of those things roll over

1921
01:47:07,400 --> 01:47:11,240
Speaker 1: on you. But you had you rolled over on you.

1922
01:47:11,240 --> 01:47:13,439
Speaker 1: You were all right in the creek. Gotta get out

1923
01:47:13,479 --> 01:47:16,360
Speaker 1: of the way. Yeah, seth, what you got You got

1924
01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:21,600
Speaker 1: a good concluder, even bad conclue. I don't care. Um,

1925
01:47:21,640 --> 01:47:24,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm quite a horseman yet. No,

1926
01:47:24,800 --> 01:47:27,880
Speaker 1: you're allergic to horses stuff the whole time, says the

1927
01:47:27,920 --> 01:47:31,360
Speaker 1: eyes are water and his nose is running. Um, it's

1928
01:47:31,360 --> 01:47:34,960
Speaker 1: like being out on a boat with honest. After this week,

1929
01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:38,120
Speaker 1: I respect horses in a way that I've never I've

1930
01:47:38,200 --> 01:47:41,240
Speaker 1: never done before. Um, I've always kind of like just

1931
01:47:41,320 --> 01:47:44,640
Speaker 1: rode him off because I'm, you know, always miserable when

1932
01:47:44,640 --> 01:47:46,600
Speaker 1: I'm around them. Grow Let's thing. You grew up on

1933
01:47:46,640 --> 01:47:48,839
Speaker 1: a farm, though, but you guys raise hogs and whatnot.

1934
01:47:49,200 --> 01:47:51,280
Speaker 1: We had horses too when I was younger. Just I

1935
01:47:51,360 --> 01:47:53,320
Speaker 1: never like, I don't know, I just never pay attention

1936
01:47:53,360 --> 01:47:56,000
Speaker 1: to never drawn to him. Yeah, I never drawn to him. Um,

1937
01:47:56,040 --> 01:47:58,680
Speaker 1: But watching Landing and Stewart do what they do with

1938
01:47:58,760 --> 01:48:02,519
Speaker 1: horses and and just like the overall experience this week,

1939
01:48:03,360 --> 01:48:05,720
Speaker 1: um makes everybody want to be a cowboy on that.

1940
01:48:06,400 --> 01:48:08,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I was like riding out being like, where

1941
01:48:09,000 --> 01:48:13,600
Speaker 1: would I keep a horse? Yeah? Seems like you know what,

1942
01:48:13,880 --> 01:48:17,240
Speaker 1: maybe I'll keep one out in Maths place. Honest, I

1943
01:48:17,240 --> 01:48:19,000
Speaker 1: asked you the same thing on the way out today

1944
01:48:19,240 --> 01:48:24,519
Speaker 1: we were riding MI. So you think you'd ever get horses? Right? Yeah, first,

1945
01:48:24,520 --> 01:48:29,040
Speaker 1: I I'm just gonna start with some chaps and a hat.

1946
01:48:29,160 --> 01:48:31,400
Speaker 1: I mentioned getting a horse and keeping the mats, and yeah,

1947
01:48:31,400 --> 01:48:33,240
Speaker 1: it's like, oh yeah, just let it go feral. And

1948
01:48:33,320 --> 01:48:36,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, probably probably that I'd get kicked in the

1949
01:48:36,160 --> 01:48:38,080
Speaker 1: head by it and sell it. But if you just

1950
01:48:38,120 --> 01:48:40,040
Speaker 1: weared the cat, the hat and the shaps, you'll be

1951
01:48:40,040 --> 01:48:42,640
Speaker 1: considered a drug store cowboy until you've been through and

1952
01:48:42,720 --> 01:48:45,960
Speaker 1: had that hat banged up a few times and stepped

1953
01:48:45,960 --> 01:48:48,920
Speaker 1: on him. Well, that's partly not true. His land And

1954
01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:51,840
Speaker 1: was the saying that he does even he wears his

1955
01:48:51,880 --> 01:48:55,639
Speaker 1: baseball cap out riding horses and doesn't put his cowboy

1956
01:48:55,640 --> 01:48:59,840
Speaker 1: head on until he goes to buy a horse there's

1957
01:49:00,280 --> 01:49:03,599
Speaker 1: or a cow, yeah, or a cow. Those hats don't

1958
01:49:03,680 --> 01:49:08,360
Speaker 1: come cheap. These chaps that Stewart's got it on pretty

1959
01:49:08,400 --> 01:49:12,559
Speaker 1: nice here, Stewarts. And they're muddy too, they're still muddy.

1960
01:49:13,320 --> 01:49:15,960
Speaker 1: That's horse power mud. But it could be a little

1961
01:49:15,960 --> 01:49:18,920
Speaker 1: blood on there too. But uh, you know, all of

1962
01:49:19,320 --> 01:49:21,760
Speaker 1: the stuff that we experience, you know, you're you're realizing

1963
01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:25,320
Speaker 1: through the years for us. Uh, I was raised on

1964
01:49:25,360 --> 01:49:28,280
Speaker 1: a ranch like cowboys, a lot out on the range,

1965
01:49:28,640 --> 01:49:31,160
Speaker 1: but most of my cowboy was done without a hat

1966
01:49:31,439 --> 01:49:35,000
Speaker 1: and with tennis shoes because I had an image of

1967
01:49:35,000 --> 01:49:37,120
Speaker 1: a cowboy, you know, because of what I had seen.

1968
01:49:37,400 --> 01:49:39,400
Speaker 1: Some of the cowboy images I had weren't the kind

1969
01:49:39,439 --> 01:49:41,720
Speaker 1: of heroes that I you know, there are a lot

1970
01:49:41,720 --> 01:49:45,360
Speaker 1: of great cowboys that I could probably call heroes, but

1971
01:49:45,479 --> 01:49:48,679
Speaker 1: back in my day, of people that I observed weren't

1972
01:49:49,280 --> 01:49:54,840
Speaker 1: weren't cowboy heroes. Uh. And the dress didn't impress me. Oh,

1973
01:49:54,880 --> 01:49:58,920
Speaker 1: I got you associated with reality rather than the mythics exactly.

1974
01:49:58,960 --> 01:50:01,680
Speaker 1: And so you know, it wasn't until I got out

1975
01:50:01,680 --> 01:50:04,960
Speaker 1: of high school that I, you know, really engaged and

1976
01:50:05,120 --> 01:50:07,519
Speaker 1: wearing the Wrangler pants all the time. Found out they

1977
01:50:07,520 --> 01:50:10,880
Speaker 1: were comfortable, they wear good and uh cowboy boots were

1978
01:50:10,880 --> 01:50:14,479
Speaker 1: comfortable and and uh, but I like a hat in

1979
01:50:14,520 --> 01:50:17,840
Speaker 1: the mountains because it is a it that brim sticks

1980
01:50:17,840 --> 01:50:20,920
Speaker 1: out and it becomes my uh you know, my test

1981
01:50:21,400 --> 01:50:24,840
Speaker 1: against pine bows. If I feel pine bows starting to

1982
01:50:24,880 --> 01:50:27,200
Speaker 1: hit my hat, I know to duck my head. Instead

1983
01:50:27,200 --> 01:50:28,680
Speaker 1: of a hat band, you leave your head lamp on

1984
01:50:28,720 --> 01:50:32,639
Speaker 1: there all day long. That true. I forget to put

1985
01:50:32,640 --> 01:50:34,920
Speaker 1: it in my pack because you know we're leaving in

1986
01:50:34,920 --> 01:50:36,599
Speaker 1: the dark and we'll go headed home in the dark.

1987
01:50:36,680 --> 01:50:41,400
Speaker 1: So and in a rainstorm where those hats sure keep

1988
01:50:41,479 --> 01:50:43,360
Speaker 1: that rain from running down here that in the pine

1989
01:50:43,360 --> 01:50:45,120
Speaker 1: needles they don't get down. The back of your neck

1990
01:50:45,200 --> 01:50:48,320
Speaker 1: is easily snow too. I have some epic photos of

1991
01:50:48,360 --> 01:50:53,400
Speaker 1: Stewart in a snowstorm, just snow drying neck, snow laying

1992
01:50:53,439 --> 01:50:55,120
Speaker 1: on top of his hat. I can't wait to get

1993
01:50:55,160 --> 01:51:02,400
Speaker 1: home those photos of anywody got Oh man, we had

1994
01:51:02,520 --> 01:51:05,360
Speaker 1: Tyler and I got to ride a bucking blondie who

1995
01:51:05,360 --> 01:51:11,280
Speaker 1: are attached at the hip figuratively, and uh, we got

1996
01:51:11,360 --> 01:51:14,639
Speaker 1: our horsemanship marit badge. I felt at least an honorary

1997
01:51:14,680 --> 01:51:17,800
Speaker 1: horsemanship Marrit Badge. The day that you guys left us

1998
01:51:18,640 --> 01:51:21,679
Speaker 1: hunting in that zone to go and where you guys

1999
01:51:21,720 --> 01:51:25,880
Speaker 1: found your buck, remember that. And so we got well

2000
01:51:25,880 --> 01:51:27,800
Speaker 1: we knew on radios at some point in the day,

2001
01:51:27,920 --> 01:51:29,439
Speaker 1: but then we got there and there's a little note

2002
01:51:29,479 --> 01:51:34,320
Speaker 1: in my gun scabbard and said that's where it was. Yeah, yeah,

2003
01:51:34,320 --> 01:51:36,960
Speaker 1: because that's where I was gonna probably go to first.

2004
01:51:37,360 --> 01:51:39,400
Speaker 1: But you had an us. There's a lot less horses

2005
01:51:39,400 --> 01:51:43,880
Speaker 1: than where. Yes, yeah, but I said, we've gone up

2006
01:51:43,920 --> 01:51:47,760
Speaker 1: the mountain and you boys get back after dark on

2007
01:51:47,800 --> 01:51:50,320
Speaker 1: your own, and uh, let us know what you're up

2008
01:51:50,360 --> 01:51:55,800
Speaker 1: to landing, And uh it was so we knew we

2009
01:51:55,800 --> 01:51:59,240
Speaker 1: had h ride by ourselves. So we left a little

2010
01:51:59,240 --> 01:52:02,080
Speaker 1: bit earlier than I probably would have if Landing was there.

2011
01:52:02,080 --> 01:52:06,400
Speaker 1: We had maybe thirty minutes of light left, and uh,

2012
01:52:06,520 --> 01:52:11,240
Speaker 1: it was snowing a little bit. It was quiet like

2013
01:52:11,280 --> 01:52:14,720
Speaker 1: it is after a fresh snow, and just you know,

2014
01:52:15,160 --> 01:52:17,840
Speaker 1: only two horses and just we didn't talk and there

2015
01:52:17,880 --> 01:52:19,880
Speaker 1: was no headlamps and we kind of rode and it

2016
01:52:20,040 --> 01:52:23,559
Speaker 1: just darkness slowly felt. I mean that's why you call

2017
01:52:23,560 --> 01:52:27,360
Speaker 1: it Magic Mountain. I mean, just like an amazing like

2018
01:52:27,880 --> 01:52:31,760
Speaker 1: people pay ten thousand dollars to experience that. You know,

2019
01:52:32,120 --> 01:52:34,160
Speaker 1: it was probably on the way in. I think it

2020
01:52:34,160 --> 01:52:36,200
Speaker 1: took us two hours. I bet you we got back

2021
01:52:36,200 --> 01:52:38,360
Speaker 1: to camp and just over an hour because when they

2022
01:52:38,360 --> 01:52:41,360
Speaker 1: go back to camp, they're using third gear, not first. Yeah,

2023
01:52:41,400 --> 01:52:45,000
Speaker 1: they know they're headed back, man, But man, was it

2024
01:52:45,120 --> 01:52:48,559
Speaker 1: cool in the darkness. Well again, fresh snow and maybe

2025
01:52:48,600 --> 01:52:50,880
Speaker 1: a touch of moonlight coming take that same route out

2026
01:52:50,880 --> 01:52:54,639
Speaker 1: of there we were coming around. I think we still

2027
01:52:54,680 --> 01:52:59,559
Speaker 1: had the lake near us. We're on a pretty open

2028
01:52:59,600 --> 01:53:01,799
Speaker 1: hillside and we're kind of coming out of the timber

2029
01:53:01,920 --> 01:53:05,759
Speaker 1: and maybe only fift twenty yards away. There's a small

2030
01:53:05,920 --> 01:53:08,960
Speaker 1: cow elk standing on the trail facing us, and the

2031
01:53:09,040 --> 01:53:11,479
Speaker 1: horse didn't see her quite as soon as I did.

2032
01:53:11,520 --> 01:53:13,760
Speaker 1: If she took like three more steps and then stopped

2033
01:53:14,040 --> 01:53:15,720
Speaker 1: and they just kind of had a stare off, and

2034
01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:18,880
Speaker 1: finally the cow elk spooked. After that, Blondie was not

2035
01:53:19,040 --> 01:53:21,040
Speaker 1: taking the lead anymore. I had been in the lead,

2036
01:53:21,400 --> 01:53:23,400
Speaker 1: and she went up the hill and then just stood

2037
01:53:23,400 --> 01:53:25,400
Speaker 1: there and looked over her shoulder and Bud had to

2038
01:53:25,439 --> 01:53:30,240
Speaker 1: take the lead after that. Yeah, um, but yeah, it

2039
01:53:30,280 --> 01:53:34,040
Speaker 1: was it was a special evening. Special ride out. Um

2040
01:53:34,640 --> 01:53:36,760
Speaker 1: so yeah, man, I mean like you were saying, what

2041
01:53:36,880 --> 01:53:41,439
Speaker 1: a special experience. I think that's it's it's an iconic

2042
01:53:41,600 --> 01:53:48,440
Speaker 1: hunt to go into the mountains ten miles on horseback, um,

2043
01:53:48,640 --> 01:53:53,360
Speaker 1: hunt off of horseback. When you read about it, people right, novels,

2044
01:53:54,360 --> 01:53:57,439
Speaker 1: you know, many hunting magazines have stories of him and

2045
01:53:57,560 --> 01:54:00,320
Speaker 1: every fall about the adventure. We just did it, you know,

2046
01:54:00,400 --> 01:54:03,360
Speaker 1: And if you want to do one with some capable

2047
01:54:03,640 --> 01:54:08,920
Speaker 1: and trustworthy outfitters that have their program tight, these guys

2048
01:54:09,080 --> 01:54:11,280
Speaker 1: be the ones to do it with. I agree, Steve,

2049
01:54:11,320 --> 01:54:17,320
Speaker 1: can I say a couple of so I didn't, Oh no, no.

2050
01:54:21,200 --> 01:54:23,320
Speaker 1: I felt like you know when somebody invites you to

2051
01:54:23,439 --> 01:54:27,800
Speaker 1: their home and you know, the shoes come off and

2052
01:54:27,840 --> 01:54:30,320
Speaker 1: you're just you're comfortable, and maybe you're commenting on the

2053
01:54:30,360 --> 01:54:32,840
Speaker 1: taxidermy on the wall. You go into the garage and

2054
01:54:32,880 --> 01:54:35,080
Speaker 1: see what they have, and you just you feel like

2055
01:54:35,240 --> 01:54:37,120
Speaker 1: they just open up to you. That's how I felt.

2056
01:54:37,360 --> 01:54:40,880
Speaker 1: I think with Stewart and Landing, it was like, especially

2057
01:54:40,960 --> 01:54:42,760
Speaker 1: for Stewart because of all the years and even Landing

2058
01:54:42,800 --> 01:54:45,480
Speaker 1: since what going up there since you were four is

2059
01:54:45,680 --> 01:54:48,480
Speaker 1: I mean every every tree. I mean we even commented

2060
01:54:48,480 --> 01:54:50,480
Speaker 1: on the way out today on the horses. How we

2061
01:54:50,520 --> 01:54:52,800
Speaker 1: went in there and we'd looked on you know, the computer,

2062
01:54:53,000 --> 01:54:56,080
Speaker 1: different things you know, on AC and Google, you know, uh,

2063
01:54:56,280 --> 01:54:58,480
Speaker 1: you know, Earth or whatever. But we went in and

2064
01:54:58,520 --> 01:55:00,520
Speaker 1: came out felt like we knew that so much better

2065
01:55:00,560 --> 01:55:03,680
Speaker 1: after a week. Imagine thirty years or you know, twenty

2066
01:55:03,760 --> 01:55:05,240
Speaker 1: years or whatever it is to see it. And I

2067
01:55:05,240 --> 01:55:07,520
Speaker 1: felt like we got a view kind of into their

2068
01:55:07,560 --> 01:55:10,400
Speaker 1: living room, you know of them. Well tonight we got here,

2069
01:55:10,480 --> 01:55:15,160
Speaker 1: you remember the restaurant was closed. Yeah, we we got

2070
01:55:15,160 --> 01:55:20,040
Speaker 1: here after nine pm. Within and both their wives were there. Yeah,

2071
01:55:20,280 --> 01:55:22,240
Speaker 1: pancakes and bacon, all those things. But then to go

2072
01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:24,400
Speaker 1: up there too, I felt like it was such this

2073
01:55:24,560 --> 01:55:27,880
Speaker 1: they have this pride and all those rocks and the

2074
01:55:28,040 --> 01:55:30,720
Speaker 1: you know, the you know, the crooked sky and all

2075
01:55:30,720 --> 01:55:33,040
Speaker 1: those different things, and that I felt like they had

2076
01:55:33,080 --> 01:55:35,240
Speaker 1: this like they just opened it up. And and I

2077
01:55:35,280 --> 01:55:37,600
Speaker 1: think it was an honor for us to be able

2078
01:55:37,600 --> 01:55:39,760
Speaker 1: to be brought into something that was so special for them.

2079
01:55:40,400 --> 01:55:43,680
Speaker 1: For me anyhow, Okay, you guys get to do years,

2080
01:55:43,680 --> 01:55:46,840
Speaker 1: but one of you. I hate to tell what a

2081
01:55:46,880 --> 01:55:49,600
Speaker 1: man what his concluder needs to be, but you should

2082
01:55:49,600 --> 01:55:51,480
Speaker 1: tell people how to come and find you, the best

2083
01:55:51,480 --> 01:55:55,000
Speaker 1: way to come find you and like and what you offer.

2084
01:55:55,280 --> 01:55:58,480
Speaker 1: You know, what kind of hunts you guys do well? UM.

2085
01:55:59,040 --> 01:56:04,840
Speaker 1: Obviously all guests go on on the beginning that, UM,

2086
01:56:05,000 --> 01:56:07,520
Speaker 1: we have an Instagram page, we have a Facebook page,

2087
01:56:07,880 --> 01:56:10,640
Speaker 1: We've got a website up, UM that we'd invite you

2088
01:56:10,680 --> 01:56:14,400
Speaker 1: to go check out. UM or we are a little

2089
01:56:14,400 --> 01:56:17,080
Speaker 1: bit lacking in some of that stuff. UM, but we're

2090
01:56:17,120 --> 01:56:20,320
Speaker 1: trying to make it better. UM. But we would encourage that.

2091
01:56:20,440 --> 01:56:22,200
Speaker 1: We do like to talk with people on the phone

2092
01:56:22,280 --> 01:56:24,360
Speaker 1: so we can be very up front and direct and

2093
01:56:24,360 --> 01:56:26,240
Speaker 1: tell him kind of what we got. So you know,

2094
01:56:26,360 --> 01:56:30,160
Speaker 1: emails work. We don't mind correspondence through emails. We'd encourage that.

2095
01:56:30,720 --> 01:56:32,680
Speaker 1: But you know, give us a call. We're not afraid

2096
01:56:32,720 --> 01:56:35,120
Speaker 1: to spend time talking with you, talking, you know, and

2097
01:56:35,160 --> 01:56:37,120
Speaker 1: if you got a buck tag that you've been putting

2098
01:56:37,120 --> 01:56:40,160
Speaker 1: in for you know, eight years, you know we're gonna

2099
01:56:40,200 --> 01:56:41,720
Speaker 1: be honest with you if we feel like it's gonna

2100
01:56:41,720 --> 01:56:45,160
Speaker 1: be a good year. UM. But ELK, a guy could

2101
01:56:45,160 --> 01:56:48,680
Speaker 1: come on ELK on two to three points, two to

2102
01:56:48,720 --> 01:56:52,440
Speaker 1: three points and and we saw I'm gonna interrupt and

2103
01:56:52,480 --> 01:56:55,320
Speaker 1: just mentioned like if you had two or three points

2104
01:56:55,400 --> 01:57:03,600
Speaker 1: right now for Wyoming, I'd really recommend coming we saw Yeah, yeah,

2105
01:57:03,640 --> 01:57:07,320
Speaker 1: I'm I got a boatload of outpoints, but I'm I

2106
01:57:07,400 --> 01:57:14,080
Speaker 1: know it's pretty cool, really neat bulls. You know one

2107
01:57:14,080 --> 01:57:17,440
Speaker 1: bull we got on videos three fifty plus. I mean,

2108
01:57:17,440 --> 01:57:20,400
Speaker 1: there's some really good genetics there. Our age group of

2109
01:57:20,440 --> 01:57:22,440
Speaker 1: our bulls is where they needs to be. Our bowl

2110
01:57:22,480 --> 01:57:25,720
Speaker 1: of cow ratio is really high. UM. But you know

2111
01:57:25,800 --> 01:57:27,800
Speaker 1: that's the thing that you know, as an outfit or

2112
01:57:27,840 --> 01:57:30,560
Speaker 1: we hope to be able to provide an expert opinion

2113
01:57:31,160 --> 01:57:33,520
Speaker 1: for people to be able to spend their money as

2114
01:57:33,840 --> 01:57:36,920
Speaker 1: as best as possible. Um. You know, so if they

2115
01:57:36,960 --> 01:57:39,600
Speaker 1: come and hunt with us, they know that their best

2116
01:57:39,640 --> 01:57:42,200
Speaker 1: interest is going to be held within it within us

2117
01:57:42,560 --> 01:57:44,600
Speaker 1: to say, hey, you know, this year is a good year.

2118
01:57:44,640 --> 01:57:46,960
Speaker 1: We're gonna do everything we can to get you because

2119
01:57:46,960 --> 01:57:50,480
Speaker 1: we know, you know, money doesn't always come easy for people, UM,

2120
01:57:50,560 --> 01:57:53,840
Speaker 1: as it hasn't for us UM growing up. And so

2121
01:57:54,360 --> 01:57:56,160
Speaker 1: that's one of the things we want people to feel

2122
01:57:56,280 --> 01:57:59,520
Speaker 1: confident in is that you know, money is really not

2123
01:57:59,720 --> 01:58:02,720
Speaker 1: our motive. UM. And so the way we manage the

2124
01:58:02,800 --> 01:58:05,880
Speaker 1: area we try to not over over hunt. UM. We

2125
01:58:06,000 --> 01:58:09,400
Speaker 1: try to be very good stewards of the area that

2126
01:58:09,400 --> 01:58:12,480
Speaker 1: we hunt to give people a good experience, and that's

2127
01:58:12,640 --> 01:58:16,000
Speaker 1: ultimately what we try to pursue as an outfitter UM

2128
01:58:16,120 --> 01:58:18,520
Speaker 1: and I guess that's what you could say we live

2129
01:58:18,600 --> 01:58:22,920
Speaker 1: by UM. Money does not drive what we do. It's

2130
01:58:22,960 --> 01:58:26,040
Speaker 1: the love of giving people the opportunity to experience, to

2131
01:58:26,080 --> 01:58:30,520
Speaker 1: fulfill dreams that they've had. You guys were very clear

2132
01:58:30,560 --> 01:58:34,600
Speaker 1: with us about what uh, what you expect and what

2133
01:58:34,640 --> 01:58:40,160
Speaker 1: you've seen, and there was nothing but pleasant surprises. Man, Well,

2134
01:58:40,360 --> 01:58:42,880
Speaker 1: we appreciated what hunting with you guys. I think that

2135
01:58:43,000 --> 01:58:44,960
Speaker 1: was one of the things that was most impressive to

2136
01:58:45,000 --> 01:58:47,640
Speaker 1: me was you know, obviously you guys know how to glass,

2137
01:58:47,680 --> 01:58:49,720
Speaker 1: you guys know how to hunt. That was very apparent,

2138
01:58:50,200 --> 01:58:52,120
Speaker 1: But it's the way you interact and the way you

2139
01:58:52,160 --> 01:58:55,360
Speaker 1: treat people. You know. We we felt, you know, very

2140
01:58:55,440 --> 01:58:58,640
Speaker 1: much UM at ease with you guys. And so, you know,

2141
01:58:58,640 --> 01:59:01,000
Speaker 1: I had a lot of people ask, you know, what

2142
01:59:01,040 --> 01:59:02,720
Speaker 1: was it like to hunt with them? What was it like?

2143
01:59:02,800 --> 01:59:05,480
Speaker 1: What are they like as people? You know, obviously people

2144
01:59:05,480 --> 01:59:08,760
Speaker 1: portray a certain way when they're on the video, you know,

2145
01:59:08,960 --> 01:59:11,960
Speaker 1: what are they like in person? And I never felt

2146
01:59:12,000 --> 01:59:14,720
Speaker 1: from a single one of the crew any kind of

2147
01:59:14,760 --> 01:59:17,800
Speaker 1: look down upon because of your status, you know, because

2148
01:59:17,800 --> 01:59:21,760
Speaker 1: of where you are at um in your life and

2149
01:59:21,800 --> 01:59:25,520
Speaker 1: what your your social status is. Would never felt that

2150
01:59:25,600 --> 01:59:27,640
Speaker 1: from any of you guys, and so we appreciated being

2151
01:59:27,640 --> 01:59:29,520
Speaker 1: able to hunt with you. It was a great experience

2152
01:59:29,520 --> 01:59:31,560
Speaker 1: that we learned, you know, things as we watched and

2153
01:59:31,560 --> 01:59:34,000
Speaker 1: observed how you hunted and and and how you went

2154
01:59:34,080 --> 01:59:36,480
Speaker 1: about things. You know, the little butt pad, I think

2155
01:59:36,520 --> 01:59:40,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna take that and adopt that. I mean, it's

2156
01:59:40,640 --> 01:59:44,520
Speaker 1: it's one of those things that if you guys can find, um,

2157
01:59:44,640 --> 01:59:47,200
Speaker 1: if you guys can find half of a ridge rest,

2158
01:59:47,520 --> 01:59:50,240
Speaker 1: you guys can hold on. If you get half of

2159
01:59:50,320 --> 01:59:52,880
Speaker 1: ridge rest each have two butt pads. Well that's what

2160
01:59:52,960 --> 01:59:55,920
Speaker 1: we want because I mean, those fine bows they only

2161
01:59:55,920 --> 01:59:59,400
Speaker 1: work for so long. So that was one thing we watched.

2162
01:59:59,720 --> 02:00:01,240
Speaker 1: You know, we do spend a lot of time on

2163
02:00:01,280 --> 02:00:04,840
Speaker 1: our butts glass and that was something we saw from

2164
02:00:04,840 --> 02:00:06,680
Speaker 1: you guys that thought, you know, that's probably a worse

2165
02:00:06,680 --> 02:00:10,320
Speaker 1: while thing to do. Especially yes, and this time of year,

2166
02:00:10,440 --> 02:00:12,160
Speaker 1: you never know what the weather's gonna be like. And

2167
02:00:12,280 --> 02:00:17,800
Speaker 1: mine doubles as a napping pad, that's right, Stuart. Do

2168
02:00:17,800 --> 02:00:21,040
Speaker 1: you have any final observations, well, any any kind of

2169
02:00:21,080 --> 02:00:23,640
Speaker 1: thing doesn't matter. Well, for me, it was it was

2170
02:00:24,320 --> 02:00:28,200
Speaker 1: just a fun experience with you. You guys like to hunt,

2171
02:00:28,400 --> 02:00:31,240
Speaker 1: enjoy the outdoors. I I find more pleasure and I

2172
02:00:31,520 --> 02:00:35,640
Speaker 1: I find my friendship. This kindled quicker with people that

2173
02:00:35,920 --> 02:00:39,480
Speaker 1: appreciate that, like I love it and appreciate it. I

2174
02:00:39,800 --> 02:00:44,040
Speaker 1: never felt like at any point was the honey area

2175
02:00:44,480 --> 02:00:49,400
Speaker 1: um overrun by the thought of I can throw my

2176
02:00:49,480 --> 02:00:54,440
Speaker 1: trash or my sacks anything, because I and I've made

2177
02:00:54,440 --> 02:00:57,320
Speaker 1: it clear with hunters in the past that and maybe

2178
02:00:57,360 --> 02:00:59,040
Speaker 1: it was the older generation because I had to get

2179
02:00:59,040 --> 02:01:01,680
Speaker 1: after my own dad to do you that you're saying

2180
02:01:01,720 --> 02:01:03,760
Speaker 1: people would like to put their like a little sandwich bag.

2181
02:01:03,800 --> 02:01:08,280
Speaker 1: You under put the sandwich bag or there might Back

2182
02:01:08,360 --> 02:01:10,840
Speaker 1: in the early days when my dad guide it, they

2183
02:01:10,920 --> 02:01:13,400
Speaker 1: used to put out a little cana. I don't know,

2184
02:01:13,520 --> 02:01:18,480
Speaker 1: some these a little cans of juice, and uh. I

2185
02:01:18,640 --> 02:01:21,800
Speaker 1: remember hearing some of that generation say, well, it's just

2186
02:01:21,880 --> 02:01:24,000
Speaker 1: a monument to what you know, the people have sat

2187
02:01:24,080 --> 02:01:26,280
Speaker 1: down on this mountain before. I mean, I don't want

2188
02:01:26,360 --> 02:01:29,360
Speaker 1: that kind of monument. I wanted to be pristine because

2189
02:01:29,360 --> 02:01:32,440
Speaker 1: I often find myself thinking about when I'm on top

2190
02:01:32,520 --> 02:01:36,000
Speaker 1: of a ridge looking across the expanse of the mountain range,

2191
02:01:36,480 --> 02:01:39,480
Speaker 1: you know, ahead what may have been like as a

2192
02:01:40,200 --> 02:01:44,280
Speaker 1: as an early explorer of that country, laying ice for

2193
02:01:44,360 --> 02:01:48,720
Speaker 1: the first time on that land. I think about it

2194
02:01:48,840 --> 02:01:51,800
Speaker 1: often and and it it causes me to to be

2195
02:01:51,840 --> 02:01:54,880
Speaker 1: a little bit nostalgic in my thought process. And so

2196
02:01:55,080 --> 02:01:59,320
Speaker 1: people that respect and have an enjoyment, I have a

2197
02:01:59,760 --> 02:02:02,800
Speaker 1: you know, my friendship is kindled right away in my

2198
02:02:02,960 --> 02:02:07,840
Speaker 1: interest in your own lives. And lastly, is it And

2199
02:02:07,920 --> 02:02:09,960
Speaker 1: I've said this to Landing many times, and I learned

2200
02:02:10,000 --> 02:02:12,920
Speaker 1: this a lot from my uncle, who he said, we

2201
02:02:13,040 --> 02:02:16,080
Speaker 1: want to do good in the world, and I think

2202
02:02:16,160 --> 02:02:18,760
Speaker 1: if we can, we can do good in the world

2203
02:02:18,840 --> 02:02:23,200
Speaker 1: by showing people the beauties that God created for man

2204
02:02:23,880 --> 02:02:27,840
Speaker 1: to enjoy, which we did. I think that's that to me,

2205
02:02:28,040 --> 02:02:31,000
Speaker 1: is one of the greatest fulfillments of what I get

2206
02:02:31,080 --> 02:02:33,440
Speaker 1: out of it. My wife says, why do you like

2207
02:02:33,640 --> 02:02:36,800
Speaker 1: it so much? It's so hard, You're late nights and

2208
02:02:36,880 --> 02:02:40,120
Speaker 1: early mornings, it's cold, it's stormy, And I said, it's

2209
02:02:40,200 --> 02:02:44,200
Speaker 1: hard to explain. But when I share the view of

2210
02:02:44,320 --> 02:02:48,680
Speaker 1: a beautiful scene upon a mountain under a horse or

2211
02:02:49,000 --> 02:02:50,880
Speaker 1: not under the horse. Hopefully we're on top to horse,

2212
02:02:51,280 --> 02:02:53,240
Speaker 1: but on top of a horse, a good horse. And

2213
02:02:53,480 --> 02:02:56,080
Speaker 1: and uh, you're just saying, man, well, look at that

2214
02:02:57,080 --> 02:03:00,240
Speaker 1: landscape or look at that uh you know, look at

2215
02:03:00,280 --> 02:03:04,160
Speaker 1: that big bull, beautiful big bull, or the sunset all

2216
02:03:04,280 --> 02:03:07,400
Speaker 1: that stuff. For me to enjoy that with another person

2217
02:03:07,480 --> 02:03:12,000
Speaker 1: that enjoys that. Uh, it's like we were kindred spirits

2218
02:03:12,240 --> 02:03:15,800
Speaker 1: that we we must have liked the same things, you know,

2219
02:03:16,120 --> 02:03:18,080
Speaker 1: before we ever landed on earth, so that we would

2220
02:03:18,120 --> 02:03:20,280
Speaker 1: have this opportunity to cross pass and enjoy it again.

2221
02:03:21,000 --> 02:03:23,560
Speaker 1: Because to me, this is uh, that's what it's all about,

2222
02:03:23,800 --> 02:03:29,240
Speaker 1: is enjoying what's before us. I guess early on, you know,

2223
02:03:29,760 --> 02:03:32,720
Speaker 1: as a as an outfitter and as a guide. Uh,

2224
02:03:33,000 --> 02:03:35,640
Speaker 1: it was tough for me to to not get an animal,

2225
02:03:35,960 --> 02:03:38,600
Speaker 1: you know, because my first several years I never missed.

2226
02:03:38,640 --> 02:03:41,040
Speaker 1: I I was sure I was gonna get my game

2227
02:03:41,080 --> 02:03:43,920
Speaker 1: as soon as the start of guiding that quit. I've

2228
02:03:44,320 --> 02:03:46,880
Speaker 1: probably in in thirty years, I've probably only killed maybe

2229
02:03:48,080 --> 02:03:51,960
Speaker 1: four or five animals. Never asked you about the last time,

2230
02:03:52,040 --> 02:03:54,600
Speaker 1: yell he says about decade ago or somebody. It's just

2231
02:03:54,800 --> 02:03:58,160
Speaker 1: it's just one of those things that Now, the fulfillment

2232
02:03:58,360 --> 02:04:03,000
Speaker 1: is being able to share what I know to hopefully

2233
02:04:03,040 --> 02:04:07,360
Speaker 1: be successful in getting somebody an opportunity to fulfill a dream,

2234
02:04:08,320 --> 02:04:13,000
Speaker 1: to to experience something that becomes a memory burned deep

2235
02:04:13,040 --> 02:04:16,640
Speaker 1: in their inside it says, hey, that was worth doing.

2236
02:04:17,840 --> 02:04:22,760
Speaker 1: One thing that illustrates, uh, you guys capacity for reverence. Uh,

2237
02:04:22,880 --> 02:04:25,320
Speaker 1: that I thought was quite impressive was what you went

2238
02:04:25,480 --> 02:04:28,280
Speaker 1: through to be able to go to church with your

2239
02:04:28,320 --> 02:04:32,960
Speaker 1: families on Sunday, to hunt all day and then after

2240
02:04:33,120 --> 02:04:37,680
Speaker 1: dark strike off on horseback to ride seven miles seven

2241
02:04:37,800 --> 02:04:40,600
Speaker 1: miles and then drive I don't know how many how

2242
02:04:40,720 --> 02:04:43,960
Speaker 1: long you got home at three am to go to

2243
02:04:44,080 --> 02:04:46,280
Speaker 1: church and your families then come riding back up into

2244
02:04:46,320 --> 02:04:49,360
Speaker 1: the mountains. Well, you know, we were a lot of

2245
02:04:49,400 --> 02:04:51,040
Speaker 1: people don't want to go a mile down the road.

2246
02:04:53,320 --> 02:04:56,360
Speaker 1: You know, we years ago we established the policy that

2247
02:04:56,680 --> 02:04:59,240
Speaker 1: we try to rest our horses and our guide just

2248
02:04:59,400 --> 02:05:02,680
Speaker 1: much on the side the day, just to help revive them,

2249
02:05:02,720 --> 02:05:05,280
Speaker 1: help them to stay in good spirits. And and we've

2250
02:05:05,320 --> 02:05:07,840
Speaker 1: even found that that hunters that have come with us

2251
02:05:08,200 --> 02:05:10,320
Speaker 1: may initially think I'm not sure I want to be

2252
02:05:10,360 --> 02:05:13,400
Speaker 1: able to hunt on Sunday. When they've had that break,

2253
02:05:13,760 --> 02:05:16,320
Speaker 1: say it's there that their hunt takes a Sunday in

2254
02:05:16,320 --> 02:05:20,280
Speaker 1: the middle of there, Uh, their hunt that they're thinking,

2255
02:05:20,480 --> 02:05:23,000
Speaker 1: we're grateful to heal up a few saddle sores and

2256
02:05:23,480 --> 02:05:25,880
Speaker 1: and it just revived the physically, and then they're they're

2257
02:05:25,920 --> 02:05:28,120
Speaker 1: they're ready for another day. But the reality of it

2258
02:05:28,240 --> 02:05:31,200
Speaker 1: is that we feel like that, uh, that heavy Father's

2259
02:05:31,720 --> 02:05:34,640
Speaker 1: been really good to us. Um. We've had very few

2260
02:05:34,840 --> 02:05:37,640
Speaker 1: incidents with people being injured on the mountain, and I

2261
02:05:37,680 --> 02:05:40,520
Speaker 1: think it's because we try hard to to reverence that

2262
02:05:40,720 --> 02:05:44,040
Speaker 1: day for us and and uh the back country and

2263
02:05:44,080 --> 02:05:48,280
Speaker 1: the animals and and so it's yet it's sometimes seems

2264
02:05:48,320 --> 02:05:51,400
Speaker 1: like a sacrifice, but it's always been a wonderful blessing

2265
02:05:51,480 --> 02:05:53,200
Speaker 1: to to be able to get out and and and

2266
02:05:53,360 --> 02:05:56,320
Speaker 1: refocus on some things that really are most important. That's

2267
02:05:56,360 --> 02:06:00,040
Speaker 1: the family. Uh. And even if even it's only for

2268
02:06:00,760 --> 02:06:03,520
Speaker 1: half a dozen hours and then back in to something

2269
02:06:03,520 --> 02:06:05,960
Speaker 1: that we can you know, we're ready, we're ready to

2270
02:06:06,000 --> 02:06:08,720
Speaker 1: be geared up to do it again. Uh. So it's

2271
02:06:08,880 --> 02:06:11,680
Speaker 1: it's it's a fun thing. Oh yeah, I didn't. I didn't. Yeah,

2272
02:06:11,960 --> 02:06:13,840
Speaker 1: I didn't find it any kind of annoyance. I thought

2273
02:06:13,840 --> 02:06:17,480
Speaker 1: it was I thought it was admirable. Well, we we

2274
02:06:17,560 --> 02:06:20,160
Speaker 1: appreciate that those are things to us that mean a

2275
02:06:20,200 --> 02:06:23,360
Speaker 1: lot to us. Uh and uh as I sensed us.

2276
02:06:23,400 --> 02:06:25,760
Speaker 1: We've talked with you guys on the mountain, which is

2277
02:06:25,800 --> 02:06:28,720
Speaker 1: a fun thing about how you you know your families.

2278
02:06:29,360 --> 02:06:32,320
Speaker 1: The family is where the lasting happening is really will

2279
02:06:32,400 --> 02:06:35,160
Speaker 1: come over over and above any of the other stuff

2280
02:06:35,240 --> 02:06:40,240
Speaker 1: that that we may you know, achieve in life. Yeah,

2281
02:06:40,800 --> 02:06:44,080
Speaker 1: you know it's good in in Uh. You guys pulled

2282
02:06:44,080 --> 02:06:48,200
Speaker 1: some long days and it and it is you you

2283
02:06:48,280 --> 02:06:50,840
Speaker 1: come out, you guys. But I guess sometimes you guys pulled.

2284
02:06:50,920 --> 02:06:53,160
Speaker 1: You guys pulled twenty hour days there there they'll end

2285
02:06:53,240 --> 02:06:55,160
Speaker 1: up with twenty hours and you you know, you you

2286
02:06:55,240 --> 02:06:57,200
Speaker 1: come down a little jaded, you lose a little weight,

2287
02:06:57,920 --> 02:06:59,480
Speaker 1: but it doesn't take you long and put that weight

2288
02:06:59,560 --> 02:07:01,440
Speaker 1: back and you know when you get hold. But let

2289
02:07:01,480 --> 02:07:03,840
Speaker 1: me also comment though, because they're saying all these things

2290
02:07:03,880 --> 02:07:06,320
Speaker 1: that when Stewart and I did go to recover my buck,

2291
02:07:07,200 --> 02:07:10,840
Speaker 1: he did put a rifle in his scabbard and I said, oh, Stuart,

2292
02:07:10,840 --> 02:07:12,520
Speaker 1: what are you doing? I said, you never know if

2293
02:07:12,520 --> 02:07:15,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna jump a big old buck up there, are

2294
02:07:15,720 --> 02:07:17,440
Speaker 1: we gonna go tell Steve and you're honest, and he

2295
02:07:17,520 --> 02:07:21,120
Speaker 1: just gotta gives me this smirk, so he still got

2296
02:07:21,200 --> 02:07:26,920
Speaker 1: it into he said, I got a tag. That's good. Well, guys,

2297
02:07:27,000 --> 02:07:30,320
Speaker 1: thanks so much, um for taking us out. Thanks for

2298
02:07:30,360 --> 02:07:32,080
Speaker 1: coming on the show. I know you've been you you

2299
02:07:32,160 --> 02:07:33,720
Speaker 1: put in a very long week this week, so I'm

2300
02:07:33,720 --> 02:07:35,200
Speaker 1: glad he could come join us on the show. But

2301
02:07:35,280 --> 02:07:38,040
Speaker 1: I was I was very excited to kind of share

2302
02:07:38,120 --> 02:07:41,600
Speaker 1: some of your perspectives in the details of your business

2303
02:07:41,680 --> 02:07:45,080
Speaker 1: with with our listeners. So I know quite often people, um,

2304
02:07:46,080 --> 02:07:48,440
Speaker 1: you know, who don't have a lot of experience will ask, like,

2305
02:07:48,600 --> 02:07:49,920
Speaker 1: what would be a good way to kind of dip

2306
02:07:50,000 --> 02:07:52,600
Speaker 1: my toes into this whole thing, and it's it's nice

2307
02:07:52,600 --> 02:07:56,000
Speaker 1: to have found um, not that you, but some other

2308
02:07:56,040 --> 02:07:59,240
Speaker 1: people too. Uh guides. We know that where you'd be like,

2309
02:07:59,440 --> 02:08:03,480
Speaker 1: that would be a worthwhile Uh, that'd be a worthwhile

2310
02:08:03,600 --> 02:08:05,680
Speaker 1: venture to go on to hook up with you guys

2311
02:08:05,720 --> 02:08:08,200
Speaker 1: on a trip. So I encourage people to come find you.

2312
02:08:09,200 --> 02:08:12,320
Speaker 1: We appreciate that that that means a lot coming from

2313
02:08:12,400 --> 02:08:15,120
Speaker 1: guys that know how to hunt, and it's fun, Like say,

2314
02:08:15,640 --> 02:08:17,720
Speaker 1: it's fun to hunt with guys that like to hunt

2315
02:08:17,760 --> 02:08:19,840
Speaker 1: and know how to hunt. Yeah, it really does. We

2316
02:08:20,000 --> 02:08:22,600
Speaker 1: we learned from you, like to say, the butt pad idea.

2317
02:08:24,120 --> 02:08:27,800
Speaker 1: We call man a debt factor. Coming back was it?

2318
02:08:28,040 --> 02:08:30,720
Speaker 1: What night was it was? It was Sunday night, coming

2319
02:08:30,760 --> 02:08:34,520
Speaker 1: back in. I had seen a little pad sleeping pad

2320
02:08:34,640 --> 02:08:39,720
Speaker 1: that fell off somebody's back back, probably during the archery

2321
02:08:39,880 --> 02:08:43,000
Speaker 1: d and I've ridden past the time or two, you know,

2322
02:08:43,280 --> 02:08:46,920
Speaker 1: several times. But after seeing what you guys, I thought,

2323
02:08:46,920 --> 02:08:48,760
Speaker 1: I told Land and I said, hey, pick that up, book,

2324
02:08:48,800 --> 02:08:55,320
Speaker 1: cut that up. So a last but not least if

2325
02:08:55,400 --> 02:09:03,280
Speaker 1: you had to raise our group as her horseman, not individually,

2326
02:09:03,320 --> 02:09:05,240
Speaker 1: because I want you to point out one guy that

2327
02:09:05,360 --> 02:09:08,400
Speaker 1: really sucked on a horse. Yeah. Yeah, and don't cut

2328
02:09:08,440 --> 02:09:10,480
Speaker 1: the fact to be four days to figure out how

2329
02:09:10,520 --> 02:09:16,600
Speaker 1: to tie a quick release. Not as a group. Yeah,

2330
02:09:17,280 --> 02:09:20,840
Speaker 1: you can be one to ten. Yeah. I would say

2331
02:09:20,920 --> 02:09:23,960
Speaker 1: that you started out probably in the three to four range.

2332
02:09:24,600 --> 02:09:27,200
Speaker 1: That's pretty good places. And I think by the end

2333
02:09:27,240 --> 02:09:29,400
Speaker 1: I think you were, you'd gained probably another three or

2334
02:09:29,440 --> 02:09:35,080
Speaker 1: four points that I did. I you know, obviously you

2335
02:09:35,200 --> 02:09:37,280
Speaker 1: got used to the horse that you were riding. You

2336
02:09:37,320 --> 02:09:39,720
Speaker 1: were comfortable, and I thought it would be fun if

2337
02:09:39,720 --> 02:09:43,000
Speaker 1: you switched it up, because the more horses different personality

2338
02:09:43,040 --> 02:09:46,640
Speaker 1: horses ride, the better you become. Oh, instead of being

2339
02:09:46,760 --> 02:09:50,160
Speaker 1: used to the same how the horse behaves, a true

2340
02:09:50,200 --> 02:09:54,680
Speaker 1: horseman is becomes adaptable to the type of horses riding

2341
02:09:54,720 --> 02:09:57,080
Speaker 1: at that time. But did you guys be honest when

2342
02:09:57,120 --> 02:09:58,640
Speaker 1: you guys went into your bunk at night, did you

2343
02:09:58,680 --> 02:10:03,360
Speaker 1: guys goof on seuth a little bit? I didn't get

2344
02:10:03,400 --> 02:10:06,280
Speaker 1: the se seth too much. I did. I did talk

2345
02:10:06,280 --> 02:10:10,840
Speaker 1: a little bit about Mike's ability to control his horse,

2346
02:10:11,120 --> 02:10:13,120
Speaker 1: because if he had decided they wanted to go off trail,

2347
02:10:13,160 --> 02:10:15,720
Speaker 1: it was going off trail. A lot of it had

2348
02:10:15,760 --> 02:10:18,560
Speaker 1: to do with the fact that, uh, he didn't have

2349
02:10:18,600 --> 02:10:21,080
Speaker 1: a hold of the reins other way up on the ends,

2350
02:10:21,320 --> 02:10:26,800
Speaker 1: which has no control, so he was he was on autopilot. Yeah,

2351
02:10:29,000 --> 02:10:32,800
Speaker 1: that was fun. It's great. That was an awesome, awesome trip. Alright, guys,

2352
02:10:32,840 --> 02:10:33,840
Speaker 1: thanks again, Thank you,