1 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: On this edition of Orlando Magic Pod Squad, Dote Marcitelli, 2 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 1: Jake Chapman catch up with the Orlando Magic Executive Vice 3 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: President of Basketball Operation, Pete dallas Sandro. 4 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 2: He's been in the NBA for now twenty years. He's 5 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 2: got an incredible story, and we get into that, certainly 6 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 2: something that you're going to enjoin on this edition of 7 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 2: Magic Pod Squad, which has brought you by the Florida 8 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 2: Department of Transportation, reminds you that bands don't let bands 9 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 2: drive drunk. If you've been drinking, don't get behind the wheel. 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Pete gets into this recent trade. 13 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: Deadline stuff, well, what was the decision for the Orlando 14 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: Magic to stand pat And then we get into his 15 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: basketball journey growing up in New York, what made him 16 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: want to get into basketball, his career path, ultimately graduating 17 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: from Saint John's and then Chris Mullet, the former Saint 18 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: Johnny bringing him into the NBA with the Golden State 19 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: Warriors and tells an unbelievable story that he had not 20 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: shared before about how that we believed. 21 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 2: Teeth the six oh seventeen that was an eight seed 22 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 2: that beat the Dallas Mavericks. Oh, that team almost never happened, 23 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 2: and it came down to the final minute of the 24 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 2: trade deadline that year. And it is a remarkable story. 25 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 2: He's got some good ones. He's a great storyteller and 26 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 2: you're gonna enjoy this edition of Magic Pod Squad with 27 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 2: Pete Delasandra. So, these fawns of long Enough the Orlando Magic. 28 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 3: This is col Anthony, Missus, Jenni Suggs, this is Paulo 29 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 3: man Carroll, the Orlando Magic, and you're listening to the 30 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 3: Pod Squad. 31 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to another edition of Orlando Magic Pod Squad. 32 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 2: Dot de Marco, Telly, Jake Chapman here with you, and 33 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 2: it is my pleasure to introduce Orlando Magic Executive Vice 34 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:43,839 Speaker 2: President of Basketball Operations Pete Deleasandro kind enough to join us. Pete, 35 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 2: I'm excited about this because I've known you for a while. 36 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 2: You've been in Orlando for what I think this is 37 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 2: your seventh season now here right to Orlando Magic. But 38 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 2: I don't know that I've had a chance to get 39 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 2: too much into your background. You know what got you 40 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 2: into this whole thing and kind of what what made 41 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 2: you want to get into the NBA excited to kind 42 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 2: of learn a little bit about you and and talk 43 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 2: about this season and what lies ahead for the Orlando Magic. 44 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 2: But first off, it's all star break. 45 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: Man. 46 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 2: Are you getting a chance to relax a little bit 47 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 2: or no? 48 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 4: Yeah? 49 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely. I'm actually back here in Colorado right now, 50 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 3: where my son was born and my daughter and my 51 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 3: whole family lived for a little while when I was 52 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 3: working for the Nuggets. And they're getting up on the 53 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 3: ski stops. I listened, they're better than me. Now, man, 54 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 3: They're like on the black diamonds. And I'm like diet back. Yes, 55 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 3: So now we're enjoying it. We're enjoying it. 56 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 2: Well, glad you get a chance to do that. I'm 57 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 2: a I'm a big deal call at the clubhouse. I'm 58 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 2: a big lodge guy. Everybody else going yeah, like right now, 59 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 2: exactly perfect. Hey, So let's go back to Obviously, you 60 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 2: grew up in New York, right you're you're a New 61 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 2: York guy. I end up going to Saint John's. But 62 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 2: did you play basketball? Was your were you a basketball 63 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 2: player growing up? Did you have dreams of being in 64 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 2: the NBA, and uh, it would kind of take us 65 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 2: through your your basketball journey a little bit before you 66 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: got to the league. 67 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, zoom makes me look a lot bigger, 68 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 3: but he's six with my five nine, non athletic. For people, 69 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 3: it was like, how did you get in basketball? It's 70 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 3: a it's a great question. I loved it right as 71 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 3: a as a young My first game back with my 72 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 3: dad is a teacher on Long Island and uh, I 73 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 3: think I was five years old and it was the 74 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 3: Long Island Nets and I think it was doctor Jay's 75 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 3: first year. I think it was his rookie year there. 76 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 3: I remember they had like they had like a sponsor 77 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 3: with doctor Pepper or something, the soft drink, and I 78 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 3: remember I called him doctor Pepper. But I was like 79 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 3: blown away, like I was, you know, five years olds, 80 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 3: and there was a like the Long Island Arena I 81 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 3: think it was called. Were on these hard benches watching 82 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 3: these games. It might have been like a thousand people there. 83 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 3: I'm watching one of the greatest players ever played. That's 84 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 3: my first experience, right, and that's like turned me onto 85 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 3: the game. Listen, Like I had great people along the way. 86 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 3: I had a guy his couch in eighth grade name 87 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 3: Guy Della Cave who played for Luke Carseca. And I 88 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 3: always kept close foot with mister Delicate of his past 89 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 3: and he's like had such a meaningful impact in my life. 90 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 3: Like you talk about people that impact your life, and 91 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 3: you know, and you guys know, people come to you 92 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 3: all the time, and it's so hard to like take 93 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 3: everyone's call and to help everyone kind of get in 94 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 3: the industry and what we do. But I always think 95 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 3: back to to mister Delicate because he did that right, 96 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 3: and so I always try to, like when I when 97 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 3: I think I don't have time, I try to make 98 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 3: time because of people like him. He put me in 99 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 3: touch with Luke Carnoseca my freshman year in college. Anything 100 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 3: I played tenth grade basketball right eleventh grade. I wanted 101 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 3: to I wanted to take money. I was on the 102 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 3: bench and I was so I just worked like three. 103 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 3: I was always working, something I always wanted to do, 104 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 3: and I did that instead. But like watch as many 105 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 3: NBA games as I could and as many COPS teams like, 106 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 3: and there I was in like Luke Carnseca's office. I'll 107 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 3: never forget I was just like he was like an 108 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 3: Idoley had just come through the Final four with like 109 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 3: you know that Chris moll and t and that was 110 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 3: like the early Big East. And I just can't believe 111 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 3: he said to me, cause back then, like now, you 112 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 3: look at these managers staffs. They're real staffs, like for 113 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,679 Speaker 3: these college teams, but they had like one or two managers. 114 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 3: And he looked at me and said, you had to 115 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 3: work one of the ease And he shows me like 116 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 3: a video recorder and I'm like, hey, he goes, you 117 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 3: got to cut film and dude, I had no idea 118 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 3: what that even meant. And I'm like, yeah, you do, 119 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 3: and he is like, because I got a guy who's 120 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 3: a senior who's doing it now, and you could come 121 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 3: in and learn under him, and you could be Look, 122 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 3: it's got to be quiet because you're gonna be friends 123 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 3: with the players, but you're gonna be coaches meetings, you're 124 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 3: gonna be breaking down film with this crew. And I'm 125 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 3: like it, it's like my first stop is I went 126 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 3: to a local video store and was like, how do 127 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 3: I bring literally because there was no vide internet, Right, 128 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 3: that's awesome? 129 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 2: Why do I do this? How do I do this? 130 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 3: And uh, yeah, so we're like, it's really collectial cables, 131 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 3: really really you know, like putting them together, and ultimately 132 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,679 Speaker 3: I got an editing board was like this piece of plastic. 133 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 3: At the time, it was a meeting. And so where 134 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 3: we are now when I see our video rooms and 135 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 3: these staffs, I'm like, oh my god. But like my 136 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 3: education came from you know, going to class, but really 137 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 3: spending mornings with Luke Carseco, which to me, I I 138 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 3: just can't just feel so blessed. 139 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 2: That, right, think about that, getting that opportunity, and then 140 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 2: you you would cross paths with Chris Mallen in your 141 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 2: NBA career, which is absolutely fantastic. But where was your 142 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 2: takeaway from Luke? 143 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 3: You know, coach had He was like a really hard 144 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 3: like a lot like a lot of coaching you, very 145 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 3: hard on his guys, right, and I was one of 146 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 3: his guys because we had a very small staff, right, 147 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 3: and he had extra high expectations. But I'll tell you what, man, 148 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 3: the man had your back no matter what I had. 149 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 3: Like I led the entire school in parking tickets Saint John. 150 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 3: There's a commuter school that's impressive. 151 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 2: That's so that's something to do with Jacabbage comment, that's. 152 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 5: Pete, pete, you were doing statistical analysis back then. You 153 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 5: had you had the parking tickets on an Excel spreadsheet. 154 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 5: That's good stuff here, it's a good So I get 155 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 5: called it my card booted. I had no money, like literally, 156 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 5: I think my parents got I love my parent They 157 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 5: give us like what they had right with like twenty 158 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 5: bucks a week for me and my sister. So we 159 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 5: did right and it was everything. But like I didn't 160 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 5: have money pay the tickets. And I was the reason 161 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 5: I have all tickets because coaches always saying be here 162 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 5: at seven thirty. Dude, I got to, you know, running 163 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 5: around for coach breathing and uh. 164 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 3: And so I go into the guy who ran was 165 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 3: a former like New York City police sergeant or something. 166 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 3: He ran the security. He was like a retired guy. 167 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 3: He was a tough Irish guy from New York. And 168 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 3: he called me in I'm trying not to use the words. 169 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 3: He cussed me out, like I never cuss that. Who 170 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 3: do you think you are just because you think you 171 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 3: work for guy? I said, you know I'm doing it 172 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 3: for I work for coach. I'm trying to I don't care. 173 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 3: I mean, he up and down like I I'm oh, 174 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 3: I'm in tears, Like I'm like, how do I not cry? 175 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 3: This guy like tear me up. He's like, you're not 176 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,119 Speaker 3: going to get your grades. I'm not releasing the boot 177 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 3: that's it. Leave until you come back here with the money. 178 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 3: I'm like the money creaming money was like a chicken 179 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 3: should had no chance. I'm not thinking. I'm just down 180 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 3: in the dumps. I go went to coaches office and 181 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 3: break it down. Film it couched, like what's wrong with 182 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 3: do you someone to see right now? I didn't want 183 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 3: to tell him right because yeah, sure Paris. And secondly, 184 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 3: I'm afraid he's gonna curss me out too, So I'm 185 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 3: like by they tell him and he goes, all right, 186 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 3: what are your class? I come back later on the 187 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 3: boots off. He gives me a special parking stick or 188 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 3: lets me park anywhere on the whole campus anytime. Nice 189 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 3: and and he tells me like he kind of gives 190 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 3: me this pep talk about appreciating my work and and 191 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 3: you know, like how would your would your work ethic 192 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 3: will bring you in and like you know, it was 193 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 3: always that it was literally turning it into a lesson 194 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 3: for you. And I don't think I've told that story ever, 195 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 3: but I but, uh, that's who Coach is, right, Like 196 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 3: he was one of those guys he like was always 197 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 3: I was a hard driver, but he was molding. He 198 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 3: was molding young men. And even if you were just 199 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 3: like a loading mastager which we kind of wore, like 200 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 3: you run around getting coffee and breaking out film, but 201 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 3: he treated you every bit as much like you were 202 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 3: like one of his players. And to this day I 203 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 3: see him. He's just a wonderful human being. 204 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 2: That's great. CJ. 205 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:15,439 Speaker 3: Couple ninety nine, ninety nine nine in generary is nine. 206 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 6: Wow, that's good stuff. 207 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 2: Pee. 208 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 6: What is your advice to two young people? Obviously the 209 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 6: business has changed quite a bit since those days. But 210 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 6: when the young people come to you and they say, 211 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 6: you know, whether or not they want to get into 212 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 6: basketball operations or just the business of basketball in general, 213 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 6: what are a few kind of general pieces of advices 214 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 6: that you give them? 215 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 3: You know, I always try to say, you know, try 216 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 3: to make yourself useful, Like, don't just like everyone wants 217 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 3: a job, everyone wants to get in, figure out a 218 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 3: way to make yourself useful. Like when I was I 219 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 3: was trying to break in. You know, I coach corner 220 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 3: Seca I reached out to. I had gone to law 221 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 3: school and everything, and I was working in politics and 222 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 3: I was but I really wanted to be basketball with 223 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 3: my love, you know. And coach said there really wasn't anything, 224 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 3: but he put me in touch with an agent. And 225 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 3: so at the time, this is like the early part 226 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 3: of the internet, right, and so I was like, what 227 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 3: can I do for this guy? Like what can I 228 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 3: bring to him? No one really followed the cap, like 229 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 3: even the agents back then. They would if the league 230 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 3: said you could do it or couldn't. And you know, 231 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 3: there was one guy in the Union, Ron Klubny is 232 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 3: still with them, who was a wonderful guy who was 233 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 3: so knowledgeable and he was the date a lot of 234 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 3: them to call him and chok with him. But I 235 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 3: realized there was, like, you know, a need there for 236 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 3: more information for agencies, and so I just started sending 237 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 3: him memos on, hey, I know you have a negotiation 238 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 3: for Bill Wennington coming up. Here's some comps that I 239 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 3: found on the web. And by the way, comps, you know, 240 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 3: and now we have all these we he would be 241 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 3: like flying the Dallas Morning News article. It was a 242 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 3: little that the guy made this and I cobbled it 243 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 3: all together and kind of yeah yeah, later it off 244 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 3: and I think, like, I think there's something to do 245 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 3: with that today. I don't know what it is, but like, 246 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 3: as a young person, you need to say I would, 247 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 3: And I did that enough that the guy finally when 248 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 3: I told him I would answer his phones, he had 249 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 3: his secretary left, and you know, I'd already was practicing 250 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 3: law and thing, and he said, well, I have a 251 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 3: job answering the phones. I'm like, I'm in and fire me. 252 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 3: If I don't answer those phones a while, you could 253 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 3: fire me tomorrow and no questions asked. I will be 254 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 3: the best phone answer ever. And I tell God, that's 255 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 3: how I got in. And I think you just have 256 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 3: to be willing and be willing to work. 257 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 2: How incredible was that it? And how important was it 258 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 2: for your career path because again you're getting your law degree. 259 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 2: You'd eventually get to the NBA, but it was about 260 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 2: six or seven years working for an agency to learn 261 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 2: that side of things, Pete, how much did that help 262 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 2: you in your career? 263 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 3: Amazing? You know, I think it so many people like 264 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 3: me become like kind of the guy like the names 265 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 3: on the board aren't real people, right, And to me, 266 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 3: like I lived with our players, their family members calling 267 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,199 Speaker 3: checking in like their personal issue. People talk about mental 268 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 3: health issues now, right, they were always existed players. Like 269 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:49,439 Speaker 3: there's a lot of pressure. They're young men with a 270 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 3: lot of pressure. And I was a young man when 271 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 3: I got in there, so there was a lot of connection. Like, 272 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 3: there's a lot of connection and I would try to, 273 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 3: you know, be there for our guys. And I to 274 00:11:57,760 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 3: this day, I have a long relationships with a lot 275 00:11:59,960 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 3: of our guys that we had back in at that time. 276 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,599 Speaker 3: And I just think like it gave me that perspective, 277 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 3: like the human perspective. So it's not just salary camp, 278 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 3: you know, dealing with our analytics team and strategy and 279 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 3: talking to the coaches. It's these got the like these 280 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 3: are human beings, like they have right, has feelings like 281 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 3: all of us, the coaches do. The pressure the coaches 282 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 3: are under, you know, to have to walk them off 283 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 3: the court after a loss and have the spotlight on 284 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 3: you and try to talk about that loss. Right, and 285 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 3: we just something that we're even like we're under the spotlight, 286 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 3: but it's not that instantaneous. You have turned the process 287 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 3: those things, and I think like the agency part of 288 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 3: it really helped me naturally just understand like this is 289 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 3: a human business, a real human business, and I think 290 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 3: it's really helped me that way. 291 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 2: They have to go back to that. 292 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 6: I was thinking about that, the idea of everybody becoming 293 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 6: a value right like I would imagine twenty years in. 294 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 2: It's it can be easy to. 295 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 6: Dip into that, and so do you have to kind 296 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 6: of pull yourself out every once in a while and 297 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 6: remind yourself of that. 298 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean I think our organization and you guys know, 299 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 3: like I think Jeff and Alex and they've done this 300 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 3: great job of creating this like Toudges were family because 301 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 3: we all work, we all but just like really I'm 302 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 3: nurturing place right like so for us, it's a little 303 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 3: to answer your question, it's a little bit easier because 304 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 3: you know, I'm sitting down there having my breakfast or 305 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 3: my lunch, and our players are there, our coaches are there, 306 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 3: We're all kind of so, hey, did you see the 307 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 3: football game? That's stray And it's just like natural like 308 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 3: personal kind of growth as a group that we've had. 309 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 3: So it makes it a lot easier in this organization. 310 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 3: I've been to a number of organizations, you guys know, 311 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 3: and there's nothing like this in terms of like that 312 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 3: feeling of connection that we all seem to have with 313 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 3: each other, including us, right Like we all sit down, 314 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 3: then I'll run into each other and I'll say, hey, 315 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 3: what do you think about this? And we could talk 316 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 3: like confidentially about things. And we've done that, and I 317 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 3: think it's like that with our players, and it's like 318 00:13:57,920 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 3: that with our coaches, and it's just such a great 319 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:03,079 Speaker 3: like the whole atmosphere has been great, and even me 320 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 3: greater with the Ava Health Staining Center in the way 321 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 3: it's kind of like created that. So it's a great question. 322 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 3: But I think like it's a lot easier these days 323 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 3: than it was because when you are separated, and I've 324 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 3: been in places, you have to make sure you remember that. 325 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 3: So you need is agree, you have to insert yourself 326 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 3: into that. There's a lot of times I'm not around 327 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 3: the team. I'm either out scouting or I'm up in 328 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 3: my office. Yep. You know, with Stephen Mervis, the warder 329 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 3: can get put together all the things that we're going 330 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 3: to do, right, Like that's not like what we do. 331 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 3: So it's it is something you need to remember. Well. 332 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 2: You know, people always ask, well, you know, it's you know, 333 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 2: if you're you know, if it's a tough stretch and 334 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 2: you've lost nine in a row and you know, we 335 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 2: go on the telecast and they say, well, how are 336 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 2: you staying positive? I and listen, it's it's we leve 337 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 2: what we do. So it's easy to stay positive. But 338 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 2: it's what you said. It's the behind the scene. You 339 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 2: get to know them as people and they you root 340 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 2: for them. You root for them and you want them 341 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 2: to wait. And it's easy to point out, Okay, yeah 342 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 2: it's not going our way right now, but it's not 343 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 2: for lack of effort. These guys are trying like crazy. 344 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 2: We get to see it every day. I think back. 345 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 2: So there you go. You're starting at at at Saint John's, 346 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 2: you're with Luke Cornaseca, you go to a sports agency, 347 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 2: but somewhere you know you you missed I think Chris 348 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 2: Mullen when you were there at Saint John's. But you 349 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 2: get a relationship with him at some point and he 350 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 2: brings you into the NBA and the Golden State Warriors. 351 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 2: How does that happen? And now now you're in the league, Pete. 352 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 2: Now you're working for the Warriors and you're working for 353 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 2: Chris Mullen. That's pretty depressive. 354 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it was amazing. So hu credit go is 355 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 3: to my wife and Molly is my wife. Is is 356 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 3: just I mean something to brag about her. She's so 357 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 3: smart and she had just finished georchown law and she 358 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 3: was working, you know as a lobbyist for American Boutige 359 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 3: for Age Research and you know, fighting a good fight 360 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 3: and doing all these great things. And I come to her. 361 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 3: I'm the d C. I'm at a DC agency where 362 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 3: Chris Bullen is one of our clients. And I come 363 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 3: to and say it might be not petition tunity for us, 364 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 3: and she's like great, you know, like what are you thinking, 365 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 3: Like you're gonna leave agency. I'm like, yeah, there's little 366 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 3: cat coming to San Francisco and your business is not 367 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 3: here like louding in DC where we were. 368 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. Sure. 369 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 3: We had a lot of whole long hard talks and 370 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 3: you know, ultimately, as a family, we made the decision. 371 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 3: It was the right decision. You know, we always said 372 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 3: we do whatever it was that our passion was. And 373 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 3: then wherever it took us. That's where it took us, 374 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 3: and so we agreed this was the right move and 375 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 3: we didn't have kids at the time. Chris was amazing, 376 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 3: you know, because Chris was he is still to this 377 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 3: day one of these people who's like, empowers you, like 378 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 3: you got it, Like I'm not just that. Like I'm 379 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 3: getting text messages from Mark Cuban my first week on 380 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 3: the job because we're trading Eric Dampier. I'm like, this 381 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 3: is like you said thought. They're like, I'm sitting there 382 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 3: going like I just went from who knows you know, 383 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 3: that tenth grade basketball player and the short periods talking 384 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 3: Now I'm like like, but it's like, there's pretty wild 385 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 3: and Chris fantastic. He said I need I need someone 386 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 3: with your skill set. I don't even know if I 387 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 3: had a tile At first, he was like, just come 388 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 3: in and like the work will be there, and that's 389 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 3: how we did it. And then I became director of 390 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 3: Bops and assistant GM and we kind of took it 391 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:10,959 Speaker 3: from there. But he is like, what, you know, one 392 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 3: of the greatest people I've ever been around my life. 393 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 3: He's family and I can't thank him enough. I couldn't 394 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 3: my career would not have gone where it's gone without him. 395 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 6: He was at a trend going from the agent side 396 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 6: to the BoFs side. Do we know about you, We 397 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 6: know about Lawn, we know about Bob Myers obviously, But 398 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,919 Speaker 6: did that happen a lot in the eighties and nineties 399 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 6: before you guys, or was that something that started around 400 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 6: that time, Jake, I. 401 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 3: Think it was more frowned upon, you know, I think 402 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 3: there was a little bit of apprehension having an agent 403 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 3: come to the team side. I'll say this, it was 404 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 3: when you when I went to the team side. But 405 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 3: the first team that were is with Chris. We had 406 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 3: like three people, like the whole front office. It was 407 00:17:55,720 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 3: like Rodhagan's unbelievable, like executive who it was there's most 408 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 3: recent job was at the land Chris and me like 409 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 3: that was in the office and we had a team 410 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 3: of scouts that were traveling around. I mean, I was like, 411 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 3: where's the salary book. There's no salarybook. There was no 412 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 3: you know, now to explain every team has we have 413 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 3: these books of everything. We need to know everything for 414 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 3: every team in the league at all times, so in 415 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 3: a minute trade deadline we can know like well, what 416 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 3: is that draft pick that they want to trade us, 417 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 3: What are the encumbrances on things like and none of that. 418 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 3: We didn't even know what draft picks we had. I don't. 419 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 3: I walked in, I'm calling the league going and you know, 420 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 3: Michelle Leftwich was Anturney for the league and she now 421 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 3: works for the Hawks. She was amazing and like she 422 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 3: was so I said, an influential porter. I would call 423 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 3: her all the time and Andy. 424 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 2: You had to so you had to call and ask 425 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 2: her what your picks were, think about that, think about. 426 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 3: How much things and everything. Oh, it was crazy. Another 427 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 3: executive from another team called me and said, we're so 428 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 3: glad this trade deadline. We call you and you guys 429 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 3: know you guys know what you have. And it was 430 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 3: like that, And I give credit to Christy Chris, Like 431 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 3: Chris walked in the office like where is everything. I'm like, well, 432 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 3: let's go to work, let's figure it out. And we 433 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 3: put it together. And you know, we had to put 434 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 3: it together that we believe team, which was yess you did. Oh, 435 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 3: I got it was really fun. We hadn't been in 436 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 3: the playoffs in like eleven years and it was one 437 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 3: of the most It gets to the Star team. It's amazing. 438 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 3: It was such a fun season. But it started with 439 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 3: walking to the office with literally nothing and going all right, 440 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 3: let me call the league and see, oh we got here. 441 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 3: And I was an agent, so I hadn't come like 442 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 3: if I were with another team, I would have walked 443 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 3: in with my old salary book that I was my 444 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 3: own lot. You know, I was. I was everything players 445 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 3: at that time, so it wasn't like I didn't have 446 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 3: it with me. So yeah, the league was really that's it. 447 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 2: That's remarkable. You know, two things stand out to me 448 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 2: about that, And then I wanted to get a couple 449 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 2: of things on Golden State before we move on to 450 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 2: Sacramento and Denver and everything. But as far as that, 451 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 2: oh that we believe team right, So that's O six 452 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 2: oh seven. You're the eight seed. He beat the number 453 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 2: one seed Dallas Mavericks. And if I'm not mistaken, did 454 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 2: you win forty eight games the next year missed the playoffs? Yeh, 455 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 2: that's that's unbelieved. I could believe that that would never 456 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 2: happen ever again. 457 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 3: Chris Mall and I were just talking about this literally 458 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 3: like last week. He reminded me of that. I first goes, dude, 459 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 3: Remember we won forty eighth the next year and didn't 460 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 3: make the playoffs, and then pretty much shoal n the door. 461 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 3: I'm like, really, what believe it is crazy? But no, 462 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 3: it was a forty eight win team and it was 463 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 3: a it was amazing. We were a better team the 464 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 3: next year and and never made. 465 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,479 Speaker 2: That had to be that had to be an unbelievable run. 466 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 2: I mean, the whole the whole world was captivated because 467 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 2: that that that Met Dallas team was incredible. But that 468 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:30,959 Speaker 2: was when the league pass started becoming a little more 469 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 2: readily available and people were staying up to watch West 470 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 2: Coast games. I know I was certainly and everybody was 471 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 2: just enighbored with that Warriors team and then to put 472 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 2: it to them in the playoffs like that must must 473 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 2: have been unbelieved. 474 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 3: Well, and the Bay Area like just blew up. I 475 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 3: mean absolutely blow I mean it was. It was amazing, 476 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 3: like and you knew it was coming because the basketball 477 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 3: community there much like Orlando. Orlando's got a basket comunia, 478 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 3: and it's just I don't know if we were how loud, 479 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 3: people couldn't believe that loud. That area was aw right 480 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 3: and and I like went on everyone. It was Yeah, 481 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I'm gonna be on the team 482 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 3: playing for these I went to every secret. It was 483 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 3: a fun one. But yeah, the funny part about that 484 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 3: is like we just had trade deadline and not to 485 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 3: segue into this a little bit, you talked about trade 486 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 3: deadline and like like this year we didn't get anything done. 487 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 3: But just to give a little like context, every team, 488 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 3: every team, you do, you do a thousand trades during 489 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 3: trade deadline. Just sometimes you get one done and sometimes 490 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 3: you get non done. Something you get like a few 491 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 3: years ago, you get four, three or four done, Like 492 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 3: you just never know what you're gonna get. But I 493 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 3: think like that we believe team almost like almost like 494 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 3: epitomizes like what the trade deadline looks like because we 495 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 3: hadn't been the playoffs in like ten years. Chris was 496 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 3: one year on the job, and we get to the 497 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 3: trade that Chris had been working to deal with normalists 498 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 3: to try to get Baron Davis, like we took in 499 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 3: a recent All Star guy wanted out. We got word 500 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 3: that he wanted to be he would He was a 501 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 3: California kid, right, so he was made. He was for 502 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,159 Speaker 3: LA and wanted to be with us. We're like, we 503 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 3: can get Baron Davis. So like this is lural in 504 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 3: our second season, we're like ten years without anyone really 505 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 3: like we had a young team. We had like Jay Rich, 506 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 3: we had a really good young player, but they weren't 507 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 3: ready yet. But there was a problem. So as we're 508 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 3: working the deal, there's a problem. He's a match contract. 509 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 3: And by the way, at that time, I think a 510 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 3: match was like thirteen million, which is almost an average 511 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 3: player salary. 512 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 2: I think about that, right. 513 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 3: And so we're all stressed out because we're being told 514 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 3: like by our I mean is whatever, like hey, to 515 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 3: take Baron Davis's contract, you're going to have to move 516 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 3: off money in the future because it's multiple years on 517 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 3: this and we can't be a taxing We'm we haven't 518 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 3: been the playoffs in ten years, right, fair enough, So 519 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 3: like you can imagine at the front office where like 520 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 3: we are comped with the whole league, we're how do 521 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,239 Speaker 3: we add water or not or a good player by 522 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 3: the way, so it's not like we're sending out a 523 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 3: back yeah yeah, sure, sure, really good player. I mean 524 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 3: a couple of teams interested and Mulley's working the phone, 525 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 3: and I'm trying to with colds and rods work on 526 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 3: the phones, and at the end of the day, it 527 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 3: seems like there's only one real team there, potentially Denver, 528 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 3: but wen I get the Baron Davis deel down without 529 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 3: moving Naha as a separate deal. So we get to 530 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 3: the deadline at the calling the entire league and we're like, 531 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 3: ten minutes before the deadline, it's silent. There is nothing 532 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 3: right now. This is the point where every team at 533 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 3: every deadline has the boards lined up. You're waiting for 534 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 3: like the dominoes to fall right, and so like maybe 535 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 3: something will happen, and Denver doesn't work out what the 536 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 3: deal they want they so we're all kind of like 537 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 3: sitting back, just waiting inside. I'll never forget. Like our 538 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 3: head coach can walk it in and this was his 539 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 3: first year coaching the NBA. I think it was his 540 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,239 Speaker 3: first or second first year. He walks in and we 541 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 3: had this office suite and we're all sitting on the 542 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,919 Speaker 3: couch literally like twila. Arkon's like, there's nothing else we 543 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 3: can do. It's silent, and he's like nothing. I'm like, 544 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 3: got nothing, coach, and he walks out. So we're like 545 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 3: and we're just like bombed. So the ball's in Denver's hands. 546 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 3: I get a call from the New Orleans GM. He 547 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 3: called me, and I'm like, we'll wait. I gotta be 548 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 3: We'll wait. You don't try to tell them exactly what 549 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 3: you're waiting on, because you're all everyone's like hiding the ball. 550 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 3: We're getting close up now. I'm like, honestly like we're 551 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 3: waiting on on on another team. And he's like, what 552 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 3: team said? It's Denver and he's like five minutes to 553 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 3: go now before deadline. I go, dude, I don't think 554 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 3: i'll call you if it's gonna happen. He's like, no, no, 555 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 3: just plete on holes. So really obviously whatever he had 556 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 3: going on in there, and Baron's like sitting wait yeah 557 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 3: wait yeah, So I put it. I put him on 558 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 3: hold in this sweet I'm like, I want to stay 559 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 3: on hold. He's like why, I'm okay, cool. So I'm 560 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 3: gonna say it is like maybe less than two minutes 561 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 3: to go before deadline. Now we would sink our watches 562 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 3: up with the league office. Back then He's like, yeah, 563 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 3: what deadline said, because right now everything's on the phone right. 564 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,199 Speaker 3: But then it was I'm like, you got like like 565 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 3: one forty five to go, and Mole's plumberings and I 566 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 3: think it was Kiky was some from Denver. They're gonna 567 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 3: do the deal. He's like, you're gonna do the deal. Yeah, 568 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 3: But now the way trades work is to get a 569 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 3: deal done, you have to call the league office with 570 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 3: all parties on the phone, and the deal has to beat. 571 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 3: One person announces the deal to the league and it 572 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 3: has to be blessed by the league that this deal 573 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 3: would work. He would in fact for so they're crunching 574 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 3: their numbers as they do it. Yeah, you gotta get 575 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 3: it all in before this. 576 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 2: Oh god, you get a minute of forty five to 577 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 2: do allver. 578 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 3: Some id less than it might even been. Like it was. 579 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,199 Speaker 4: So I'm like rod get on the other phone. I 580 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 4: got pick out New Orleans on this phone. She keep him. 581 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 4: Then on the ball, call Michelle. I'm gonna call Andy, 582 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 4: and then and we're running like it's insane, like literally, 583 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 4: because it's at this big office suite the three officers 584 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 4: with like a main office, and we're like the doors 585 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 4: are open with and then all of a sudden, into 586 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 4: the sweet walks out of coach. 587 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 3: Look on his feet. Does he hadn't see her where 588 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 3: He's like, I'm screaming, you got him? I got We're 589 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 3: going back a corner. 590 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 2: What's happening? 591 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 3: I'm good? And literally I get mine got in second. 592 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 3: So you got the naharo in on one phone. I 593 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,120 Speaker 3: have the neurologym on the other phone. And I get 594 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 3: in with another person in the league office and she 595 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 3: tells me you made it with about tension. It's just 596 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 3: fair like literally, that's how close it was. Or the 597 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 3: we believe team doesn't even happen like that's how it is. 598 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 3: The thing happened remarkable, what any credible that's the and 599 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 3: that and that's not that that happens every year something 600 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 3: like that, right, or I mean that's not every every team. 601 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 3: There's always a team that has some Yeah, something happens 602 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 3: last minute shape always and. 603 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 5: They should just tell you, guys, it's on Friday and 604 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,199 Speaker 5: then and then now they should make it Friday, just 605 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 5: give you an extra twenty four hours without do you 606 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 5: even know it, because. 607 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 6: That just sounds I don't know, that just sounds stressful 608 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 6: maybe even but as you know. 609 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 2: That guys make deals, right that wins make deals. 610 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 3: Oh, it was an amazing, Like it was really an 611 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 3: amazing So I just I don't know, it was like 612 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 3: that was of all in my trade deadlines, that's the 613 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,919 Speaker 3: one where I might have lost like years of my life. 614 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,479 Speaker 2: Like literally, yes, doing the right is all right, that's awesome. 615 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 2: You would go from Golden State, you have all that 616 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 2: success where right with the we Believe team and and 617 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 2: all that, and and you're able to become right realize 618 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 2: what I imagine would be the dream at that point 619 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 2: to become a general manager of your own running the 620 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 2: Sacramento Case. I mean, how surreal was that? And you 621 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 2: had some personalities on that team, there's no question about it. 622 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 2: But boy, uh, what's your takeaway from your time running 623 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 2: the Sacramento Case? 624 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 3: Listen, So like unbelievable opportunity and I and I just 625 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 3: every step of the way, I just I'm so appreciative 626 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 3: for everything and for everything I had, and and even 627 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 3: like with Denver to to work with Josh Kronky and Messiah, 628 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 3: like I've I've had such great people, I really have. 629 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 3: I feel like this path is just kind of unfolded 630 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 3: in front of me, and I feel so lucky. And 631 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 3: I go to town like Sacramento but by the way, 632 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 3: like you talk about another set great set of path 633 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 3: like the sacrament of fans are unreal and and just 634 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 3: stay like I just love love going back there and 635 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 3: just and and being around that that were just great people. 636 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 3: At least I've been to some of the best basketball communities. 637 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 3: I really have. And and so I have to say, 638 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 3: but to me, Sacramento, it's all about like these little stories, right, 639 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 3: Like I have a Shack story from Sacramento. I don't 640 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 3: know if you gotta remember Shi was I'm an ority owner. 641 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. 642 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 3: You got a piece of it. Like I'm like this 643 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 3: would say, like like I know, Shack, come on, man, 644 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 3: but that Sacramento has worked it alone, right right, right? 645 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 3: But I did. It was really in all serious seriousness, 646 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 3: like have the opportunity to meet him and spend some 647 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 3: time with him. And then he wasn't like I'm I 648 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 3: musiately involved, but when I needed him, he was there. 649 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,719 Speaker 3: And I remember one And I only bring this up 650 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 3: because it's just I never told this story publicly, but 651 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 3: I think it's time to tell it because it was 652 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 3: just this amazing moment where I was on the road 653 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 3: with the team. I wanted to talk to some players. 654 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 3: Shack was in town. I said, Chack, can you come 655 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 3: join me? They could be really helpful. And so we 656 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 3: get to this restaurant. They put us kind of like 657 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 3: in the really quiet corner because you know, like everyone 658 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 3: everyone would notice me, you know, I mean, it's shocked 659 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 3: they he walks in the building, but he did the 660 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 3: right thing. They put us in like this really quiet 661 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 3: one where maybe we're not going to be seen. It's 662 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 3: a little early for one and players not there yet. 663 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 3: Shack and I just sort of like catching up on 664 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 3: like messaging and what we want to talk about. And 665 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 3: this woman kind of must have seen him through like 666 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 3: the corner or whatever, and she kind of really apprehensively 667 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 3: sort of approaches him and she just says, you know, 668 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 3: like hey, Chack, I'm sorry to bother you. Very polite, 669 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 3: I'm sorry to bother you. Is there any way I 670 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 3: can ask you to just sign something for my son? 671 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 3: She had the young son, So shaqby in Shack and 672 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 3: you guys alp him never just like let me just 673 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 3: sign Shack and say goodbye, like, oh, what's your son's name? 674 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 3: And could go and tell them, And he writes this 675 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 3: nice little person and doesn't give it to her, and 676 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 3: you see her start to like well up with tears 677 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 3: a little bit. And now it's a quite just really 678 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 3: the three of us. The restaurant's kind of around the 679 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 3: corner and like this Quie a little moment and she 680 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 3: was thanking so much kind of like walks out, like 681 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 3: so she's getting towards the main area of the restaurant. 682 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 3: He goes man and he called her back, and I'm like, 683 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 3: no one's called her back, and this likes th shack, 684 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 3: It's so impressive. He's like, is anything okay, I just 685 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 3: just to ask that question? 686 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right right. 687 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,479 Speaker 3: He like hesitates, and she finally like opens up and 688 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 3: she talks about how she's just diagnosed with this terminal 689 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 3: illness illness and she's given a certain amount of time 690 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 3: to live, and I mean really heartbreaking, right, And she 691 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 3: has his son and she's trying to collect mementos for 692 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 3: him and give him something, and this is like just 693 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,959 Speaker 3: such a special moment, right, I'm like tongue tied, Like 694 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 3: I'm like I gotta walk my throat. I'm just like, yeah, 695 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 3: I got like what And then I'm thinking, like how 696 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 3: does shak respond Like something like she's opened up to him. 697 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 3: This guy like as calmly as elegantly with this warmth, 698 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 3: stands up. He hulks over her in ghost shirking his 699 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 3: hug literally like I've never seen a person hug or 700 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 3: stranger like this before, and like it's like kind of 701 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 3: rocking her and just says, I'm not gonna do this 702 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 3: justice because I'm gonna try to. It's it was something 703 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 3: like and he you know, shacks when he gets a 704 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 3: low voice, and no, no person could ever tell you 705 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 3: how long you're going to live. That's between every person 706 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 3: in God. And uh, this woman just like was weeping 707 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 3: in his arms. And then she just smiled and thanked 708 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 3: him and thanked him and thanked him and and left. 709 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 3: And I said that I don't even know what I said, 710 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 3: like I've I've literally I was holding back tears in 711 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 3: this moment, and uh, you know, like it's fine, Like 712 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 3: I think it's John Wooden. I think it's John Wooden 713 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 3: CuO where he said something like your character, your character 714 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 3: is defined by what you do when no one's looking. Dude, 715 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 3: I was slyly on the wall. Shea didn't even know 716 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 3: who was there. Like I got to see that man's character. 717 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 3: I've never seen anything like it, and it was like 718 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 3: it stood with me to this day. Like it's those 719 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 3: moments where I'm like, how like you don't realize it, 720 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 3: Like we always look at these guys and say with 721 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 3: them the pedestal and whatever, and they have a huge responsibility, 722 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 3: right because no one's coming to me or to any 723 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 3: average on the street and saying, let me tell you, 724 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 3: like my life, like what I'm facing like right, because 725 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 3: we're just like but that that happens to shat, right, 726 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 3: And I don't know the week he deal with, I 727 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 3: just felt like it's a it's just as we as 728 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 3: we retired as Jersey. I'm like kind of so happy 729 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 3: for it and to be here. I am a member 730 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 3: of the Mat and I'm so sad I wasn't there 731 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 3: for that for that moment. But you know, this story 732 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 3: pops in my head and it's always there. 733 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 2: You know, well, it's a great it's a great story. 734 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 2: He did that when he came back. He's friends with 735 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 2: obviously Brian heally played for and Brian Hill's daughter went 736 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 2: through a surgical procedure and it kind of you know, 737 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 2: coming out of it, and it's been difficult and and 738 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 2: he heard that and he tells briancime your phone. You know, 739 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 2: he recorded a message Kim, this big fellow thinking about it, 740 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 2: and just there's just heartfelt message. I mean, right, so 741 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 2: along those same lines. See, that's that's a great story, Pete. 742 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 2: I'm glad you that's the side of shack that we 743 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 2: have finally got to see a lot more of here recently. 744 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 2: But that's that's phenomenal. And it was a great night 745 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 2: the other night. And I know you would love to 746 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 2: love to have been here. But now as you look 747 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 2: at this team that you're on now right here in 748 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 2: Orlando and fast forward to where we're at, and you're 749 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 2: the guy that handles all the numbers and the transactions, 750 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 2: and you're the guy that makes everything work. And you've 751 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 2: got with great relationships and friendships and networking that helps 752 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 2: these deals get done along the way as well. What 753 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 2: kind of place is this magic team in As you 754 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 2: kind of look long term and salary cap and where 755 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 2: we're at, it seems like we have great flexibility. We 756 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,959 Speaker 2: can strike if we want to when we want to. 757 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 2: I mean, it seems to be in a great spot 758 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 2: moving forward. 759 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know, credit to Jeff Wellman honestly, 760 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 3: like I feel like you learn everywhere you go, and 761 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 3: this has been, like you said, my seventh year. And 762 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 3: I feel like I've actually learned so much from this 763 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 3: from Jeff in particular and his decision making and kind 764 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 3: of how he approaches things, and and and also like 765 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 3: from the whole group that he's assembled, like David Bench 766 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,959 Speaker 3: you guys know, yes you say analytics, but he's our 767 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 3: assistant GM now and I've done, had done like so much. 768 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 3: And Stephen Murvis who I mentioned earlier, who like the contributions, 769 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 3: and Anthony Parker to bring like all of his knowledge 770 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 3: and experiences, and we have this like group that we 771 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 3: assemble and Tungi and we kind of sit around the table. 772 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,839 Speaker 3: We beat things up, and we beat things up because 773 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 3: Jeff is that like he is a guy that you 774 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 3: don't miss a thing, and I love that, love that 775 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 3: about him to a point where like we could sit 776 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 3: there and stare at each other for forty minutes without 777 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 3: seeing anything, and then all of a sudden something comes down. 778 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 3: We're like, right, right, and that's why we do it. 779 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,799 Speaker 3: So we spend hours doing this stuff and and and 780 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 3: then we all leave tasked with doing this alone right here, 781 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 3: and then we get back and so to Jeff's I 782 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 3: really credit Jeff because I think his process oriented way 783 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 3: has now set us up to this point where you know, 784 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,439 Speaker 3: everything that was done was done very deliberately and planned out, 785 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 3: you know, planning out like what drafts we project to 786 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 3: be the best drafts, Like you do that when you're 787 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 3: thinking about doing a reboot, like okay, if you're gonna read, 788 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 3: but what year do you want to be? Not a 789 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 3: good team? 790 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 2: Right? 791 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,800 Speaker 3: Those those aren't. That's just not by chance. That happens 792 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 3: because you have guys like David Bench and merv and 793 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 3: Jeff and these guys to know and DP you know, 794 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,439 Speaker 3: the draft, and they sit around and say, hey, let's 795 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,360 Speaker 3: make an educated guess what is the time for that? 796 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,919 Speaker 3: And then you're looking forward like what we have all 797 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 3: of our picks plusis right? We have flexibility these next 798 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 3: couple of years in charms of them. So sometimes the 799 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 3: best move is no move, right. It is absolutely true 800 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 3: when you're developing a team, and sometimes it's to make 801 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 3: a move. And I think the great position that ran 802 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,880 Speaker 3: is we can do either. We can do either, and 803 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 3: I know whatever the decision is, it's it's it's going 804 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,279 Speaker 3: to be the right decision and thought out and thought 805 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 3: out correctly. And that's because you know, that's what Jeff 806 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 3: demands of us, and and you know he's leading this thing. 807 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 3: And I just feel great about being with a group 808 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 3: like this. It's like you talk about a team. I know, 809 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 3: we talk about the locker room all the time, and 810 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 3: it's almost like a locker room with that, right, Like 811 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 3: we talked and got like to talk about like the 812 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 3: personal stuff too. A lot of the conversation is about 813 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:09,319 Speaker 3: the relationships and our players and how they relate to 814 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,319 Speaker 3: each other, and like if you make a move, even 815 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 3: a minor one, pull a player out, how does that 816 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 3: affect that? And if you add a player in. We 817 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 3: might have a high talent level, but how does that 818 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 3: effect that when you have what you consider high high 819 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 3: town level young players emerging. So it's a very tricky thing. 820 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,360 Speaker 3: And I just think having the optionality that Jeff is 821 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 3: kind of the deals he's made has given us, gives 822 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 3: us at least a chance to make a decision whatever 823 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 3: it is. 824 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 2: Well, that's some great stuff, Pete. We can't thank you enough. 825 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 2: A terrific job here with this front office and We're very, 826 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 2: very excited. I know Magic fans are too, for what 827 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,400 Speaker 2: lies ahead, not only this year, but for years to 828 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 2: come with this Orlando Magic organization. That'll do it. For 829 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,279 Speaker 2: this edition of Magic Pod Squad with the Executive vice 830 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 2: President of Basketball Operations Pete Dallas Sandro, we'll see you 831 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 2: next 832 00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 4: Time I look at and net at and