1 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody. Welcome to Battleground, the podcast where we bring 2 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: you stories of people who face challenges head on and 3 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:16,639 Speaker 1: emerged victorious. I am your host, Sean Parnell. I'm a 4 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: combat veteran, I am a best selling author. And in 5 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 1: today's episode, we have a very very special guest. His 6 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: name is Jake Beckett. Jake is a pretty amazing guy. 7 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: He's a former Division one college football player for the 8 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: Arkansas Razorbacks. He's drafted by the New England Patriots. He 9 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: played for the team. He won a Super Bowl with 10 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl with him. He has a Super Bowl 11 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: ring to prove it. After he left the Patriots retired 12 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: from the NFL, Jake decided to enlist in the military 13 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: and started completely over as a private. He then went 14 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: to Officer Candidate school, and then he went to ranger school, 15 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: and then he became a platoon leader and one hundred 16 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: and first Airborne where he led an infantry rifle platoon 17 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: in combat in Iraq. He served his country. He put 18 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: his life on the line for his fellow soldiers in 19 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: this amazing country that we live in. We talked about everything. 20 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: We talked about hard work and perseverance and making a 21 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: Division one college football team and then defying all the 22 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 1: odds being drafted to the New England Patriots. What that 23 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,559 Speaker 1: call was like, how his family reacted. We talked about 24 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: the Patriot way and what made the New England Patriots 25 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: an exceptional, exceptional team, and then the humility that it 26 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: took to leave the NFL at the top of his 27 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: game on the best team in the NFL to be 28 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: a nothing burger private in the military making like eighteen 29 00:01:55,720 --> 00:02:00,559 Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year. So join us as we dive 30 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: into Jake's journey from his time on the football field 31 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: to his service in the military. This conversation's amazing. So 32 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: without further ado, I hope you enjoy my conversation with 33 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: Jake Beckett. Jake Beckett, Welcome to Battleground Man. It's great 34 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: to have you. 35 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 2: Great to be on. Thanks for having me. Big fan 36 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 2: of the podcast, you know, looking looking forward to get 37 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 2: into this. 38 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: Well, thanks man, that means a lot. I mad just 39 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: started this podcast a few months ago. I understand you've 40 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: got one as well. When we were just talking prior 41 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: to going live that if you're not in this space, 42 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: you should be because it's growing like Gangbusters. That's for sure, 43 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: it really is. It's such a fun format. You know, 44 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 1: you know from being a candidate. You know, when you're 45 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: doing media hits and you're on TV, you only get 46 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: maybe ten or fifteen seconds to really make your point, 47 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: and there's a back and forth. If you're on a panel, 48 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: there's kind of a debate going on. It's unpredictable. I 49 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: mean this format, the longer form, you know, being able 50 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: to take a deeper dive into interesting topics and have 51 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: on you know, interesting guests, and it's just a it's 52 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: a great way to curate your own content, get your 53 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: thoughts out there, and build your own, you know, semi 54 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: quasi sovereign platform, if you will, and to get away 55 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 1: from the corporate media. 56 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 2: I think it's a great format. 57 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: Man, I totally agree. And having run for office twice now, 58 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: once for Congress in Western Pennsylvania and then for Senate, 59 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: you realize pretty quickly, even with conservative media on your side, 60 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: as we're both Republicans, the narrative can get away from 61 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: you pretty fast. And what I realized is like, man, 62 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: if I had, if if I had something like this 63 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:46,279 Speaker 1: during my congressional during my Senate run, I didn't necessarily 64 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: need to filter what I was saying through whatever lens 65 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: the media wanted to paint me, and I could just 66 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: go directly to the people just like this as often 67 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: as I wanted, with an already built platform. That's the future, Jake, 68 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: you know, and any candidate frankly thinking about running for 69 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: any off as should be should be doing something like this, 70 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: just building up their brand uh in their area so 71 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: they can go directly to the people. 72 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 2: You know, absolutely. I mean I had a conversation along 73 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,119 Speaker 2: these lines with Anna Polina Luna before she was elected, 74 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 2: with Matt Gates before he started his own podcast. And 75 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 2: you see a lot of members of Congress, Tip Cruz 76 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 2: who they they've created their own their own podcast, their 77 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 2: own format where they control the content, they control the message, 78 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 2: And it's not like they're trying to censor anything, but 79 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: it's just a way to get all of our ideas 80 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 2: out there in a way that we can control, and 81 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 2: then we're not having to filter or not having what 82 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 2: we're said filtered through a lens that is not our own, 83 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 2: or through a prism or a worldview that we don't 84 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 2: necessarily share. So I think that's really important. And you know, 85 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 2: as we were saying before you know, we went live. 86 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 2: Like I think with the with the whole Tucker Carlson 87 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 2: debacle over at Fox News, like, I think what's going 88 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 2: to happen is that's only going to accelerate a growing trend, 89 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 2: which is, you know, conservative you know, consumers of conservative 90 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 2: content are going to be migrating to these digital platforms, 91 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 2: streaming platforms, podcasts. You know, very few people that I 92 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 2: know who are around our age and even older are 93 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 2: really watching these legacy cable channels. I mean, there's still 94 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 2: a lot of people who watch the news, but I 95 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 2: think it's going to decline over time. It's gonna be 96 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 2: more people who are looking for an alternative and it's 97 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 2: just an exciting space to be in. It is, man. 98 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: So I want to talk about you for a little bit. 99 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 1: I mean, just so viewers and listeners understand. Jake. You 100 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: are a Division I football player at Arkansas razorback twenty 101 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: twelve Cotton Bolt MVP right, also drafted by the Patriots, 102 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: played for the Patriots, have a Super Bowl ring with 103 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: the Patriots, and then ran for Senate in Arkansas on 104 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty two cycle, which is an entirely different journey. 105 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: If you've not done it. It's just something that you 106 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 1: have to do to fully understand. But you do so, Jake, 107 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: how give me a sense of what your childhood was like? 108 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: And wait, wait, I forgot the most important part of 109 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,679 Speaker 1: your bio. For God's sake, you were in the army. 110 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: So after you were a professional football player, you left 111 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: the NFL, and then you enlisted and became, you know, 112 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 1: an enlisted soldier and then went to officer candidate school 113 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 1: and then an officer, a young officer for the one 114 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 1: hundred and first Airborne. So obviously you went to Airborne school, 115 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: ranger school, went to Iraq. You got to give me 116 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: a sense of what your childhood's like to have that 117 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: kind of a bio at what you were born in 118 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: eighty nine. So what, man, you're like thirty four years old. 119 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: How I'm older than you. So I'm like eight years 120 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 1: older than you. I'm forty one. How have you done 121 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: so much in your life? Man, you're only thirty four. 122 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 2: Well, it's I appreciate that. It's been a great journey 123 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 2: thus far. And you know, hopefully we're still in the 124 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 2: in the early chapters. But yeah, I was raised in 125 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 2: a sports family, in a football family, A lot of 126 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 2: people outside the state don't know, but I'm a third 127 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 2: generation Arkansas razorback football player. My grandpa played for the 128 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: Hogs back in the nineteen fifties. That was before they 129 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 2: had face masks. He had he had the smile to 130 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 2: prove it. I mean, he did have it. He left 131 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 2: by the time he was in his sixties or seventies, 132 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 2: and then his son to both of his sons, one 133 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 2: of whom is my dad, and my uncle Chris, Jay 134 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 2: and Chris, they both played for the University of Arkansas. 135 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 2: I'm back in the late seventies and early eighties, and 136 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 2: then you know, I guess I joined the family business. 137 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 2: You know, I really dedicated myself to athletics at a 138 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 2: young age. I was very blessed to be raised in 139 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 2: a home that valued hard work. And you know, my 140 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 2: dad came to me when I was around twelve or 141 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 2: thirteen years old, and you know, he was like, hey, 142 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 2: you know, son, play time is over. It's time to 143 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 2: go to work. And you know, since I'm a generous father, 144 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 2: I'm going to give you a choice. You know, you 145 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 2: can you can get into the economy, you can work 146 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 2: a job. You know, you can bag groceries. Or you 147 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 2: can you can dedicate yourself to a skill like joining 148 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 2: the band or playing an instrument or doing something like that, 149 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 2: you know, or you can you know, dedicate yourself to sports. 150 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 2: You know, you like sports, and I was into sports, 151 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 2: and you know that was really not a hard decision 152 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 2: for me. But I really was able to treat sports 153 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 2: like I was a professional, you know, around the age 154 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 2: of twelve or thirteen. I mean I was, you know, 155 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 2: twelve fourteen, sixteen hour days, you know, of course, with 156 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 2: school in there, but you know, really I was totally 157 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 2: focused on achieving the goal of following in my my 158 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 2: grandpa and dad's footsteps and getting a Division one scholarship 159 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 2: and playing for the Hogs. Got the helmet behind me 160 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,319 Speaker 2: over my shoulder there, and you know, I was just 161 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 2: I was really blessed to have that opportunity to play, 162 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 2: you know, in the SEC. You know, we're very proud 163 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 2: of our of our college football down here in the 164 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 2: South Sean. You know, pro sports are a bigger thing 165 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 2: up in up in the North and Northeast. I know Pennsylvania, 166 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 2: you know, with with penn State and y'all, y'all care 167 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 2: about college sports as well. I'm just saying in general, 168 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,719 Speaker 2: you know, we really care about our football down here 169 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 2: in the SEC, and it was a lot of fun 170 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 2: to play, you know, with some good teams and a 171 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 2: great conference, and to then have the opportunity to play professionally. 172 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: So, Jake, you said you were twelve or thirteen, when 173 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: you really said you were able to focus on what 174 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: twelve thirteen hour days, fourteen hour days, dedicating yourself to 175 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: being a football player, I mean, and doing well in school. 176 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: Where did you get the presence of mine to do 177 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: that as a twelve year old, because I feel like 178 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: I didn't have that level of focus at all, not 179 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: even not even clothes. 180 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it came straight from my dad and 181 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 2: my grandfather, his father. I mean they really you know, 182 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,839 Speaker 2: I had some physical gifts, but I was never by 183 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 2: any means the most talented guy around being know what 184 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,199 Speaker 2: I did have with some native ability and some intelligence 185 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 2: and a work ethic, and really I tried to leverage 186 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 2: those to the best of my ability. And just a 187 00:09:57,720 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 2: typical day when I was like in high school, I 188 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 2: mean I would get up at five point thirty, I 189 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 2: would go to the gym at our school. We would 190 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 2: do you know, there was a special group of guys 191 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 2: who were kind of doing some extra work to train. 192 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 2: We would do that in the morning before school, you know, 193 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 2: go to school. I would utilize study hall time, lunchtime 194 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 2: to get all my homework and you know, studying for 195 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 2: test the next day out of the way. You know. 196 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 2: Would then go to you know, either a football practice, 197 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 2: basketball practice, or off season you know, in the in 198 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 2: the weight room after school was over. And then when 199 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 2: I got done with that, you know, whether it was 200 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 2: you know, football or basketball practice, I would didn't go home. 201 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 2: We had a shed in our backyard that we converted 202 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 2: into kind of a mini weight room. We called it 203 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 2: the dungeon, and I would get another weight workout in 204 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 2: and you know, would finish up around seven seven thirty, 205 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 2: had dinner, and then go to sleep around nine nine 206 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 2: thirty and get up and do it again the next day. 207 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 2: Like that was That was the level of dedication, you 208 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 2: know that that I had to have to achieve my goals. 209 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 2: And you know, really I just I try to carry 210 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 2: that mentality with me. And I did that in college 211 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 2: and the pros and and in the military and on 212 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 2: the political campaign as well. 213 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: Jake, I that's amazing. I mean I've always thought that, 214 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: you know, I was an athlete, I mean, has never 215 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: played Division IE sports or anything, but I wrestled, played baseball, 216 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: played ice hockey all throughout high school. But again, that 217 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: level of dedication is unbelievable. I mean, and you're you're 218 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: no slouch man. I was reading your stat line for 219 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: the draft, like, you're six five, two seventy five around 220 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 1: a four seven forty. You're a freaking beast man. That's ridiculous. 221 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: That's ridiculous. So obviously all that hard work paid off. 222 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, something my grandpa told me when I 223 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 2: was a kid always stuck with me. You know. He 224 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 2: always said, if you're only doing what everyone else is 225 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 2: doing around you, you're only improving at the same rate 226 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 2: that they are. So really, you know, relatively, you're not 227 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 2: improving at all. You're you're just you're you're kind of 228 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 2: going along with the flow. You're you're not really separating yourself. So, 229 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 2: you know, whatever domain that you apply that to, I 230 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 2: think it's really it's it's it might sound simple, but 231 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 2: it really rings true that, you know, if you want 232 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 2: to separate yourself, if you want to strive for true 233 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 2: excellence and whatever field that you're in, you get a 234 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 2: you're gonna be willing to do what no one else 235 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 2: around you is willing to do. And that's not always easy. 236 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 2: You know, people talk about it, but you know the 237 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,319 Speaker 2: the proof is in the results, and you know that's 238 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 2: That's something that I've tried to carry with me, that 239 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 2: those lessons, you know, in whatever endeavor I was pursuing. 240 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 1: So you've dedicated yourself to playing football. You say, you're 241 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: a junior senior, you're applying for colleges and you're waiting 242 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: to see if you've been accepted or maybe you're going 243 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: to some like recruiting meetings, and I'm sure you've went 244 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: to Did you go to any other recruiting meetings other 245 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,599 Speaker 1: than just, uh for for the Razorbacks. 246 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. I wasn't one of these top one hundred, you know, 247 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 2: national recruits. You know, I was a kind of mid 248 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 2: level recruit. I had some other good Division one offers 249 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 2: and you know that process is pretty interesting. But it 250 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 2: wasn't like I had you know, Alabama, Notre Dame, USC, 251 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 2: you know, knocking down my door of Penn State. You know, 252 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 2: I I knew that when Arkansas, you know, whenever Arkansas 253 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 2: offered me I was going to accept on the spot. 254 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 2: You know, I had the head coach at the time. 255 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 2: He called me to formally offer me a scholarship, and 256 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 2: I mean before he could even get the words out 257 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 2: of his mouth, I accept it. And he, you know, 258 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 2: he started laughing. I still it was Houston Nut. Coach, 259 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 2: Houston Nut. We still keep in touch. He's a good man. 260 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 2: And he was like, you know, Jake, you know I've 261 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 2: been into your shoes. You know, take twenty four hours 262 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 2: and think about this. I don't want you to to 263 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 2: make a decision emotionally. And I looked at my watch 264 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 2: and said, hey, coach, just three thirty five. You know, 265 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 2: I'm going to call you at three thirty five tomorrow 266 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 2: afternoon and tell you the same thing. And that's exactly 267 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 2: what I did. I mean, I wanted to be a 268 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 2: razorback as you could imagine growing up in my household. 269 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 2: That was the one thing that I wanted to do. 270 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 2: And so yeah, when I got the Arkansas offer, it 271 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 2: was a no brainer. 272 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: Were you worried that maybe you wouldn't get one? I 273 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: mean I got to believe that you were. I mean, 274 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 1: if that's all you did from the time you were 275 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: twelve or thirteen on. You worried it. Maybe you weren't 276 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: again that call, MA, I mean maybe not. You worked 277 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: your ass off, I mean you probably you probably figured 278 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: it was just a matter of time. I don't know, 279 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: But what what's that like when you're waiting for that 280 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: for that phone call. 281 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I put a lot of pressure on myself. And yeah, 282 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 2: I mean when you when you strive for anything, I 283 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 2: mean there's always that risk that it's not going to 284 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 2: work out. But you know, I really I failure. What 285 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 2: really wasn't an option for me. I just I always 286 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 2: had a good feeling that, you know, if I handle 287 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 2: my business, if I if I did the proper things, 288 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 2: you know, if I if I stayed healthy and stayed hungry, 289 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 2: that it was going to work out. And and it did. 290 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 2: And it was kind of the kind of the similar, 291 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 2: uh similar feeling on draft night, you know, waiting for 292 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 2: a phone call from an NFL team. You know that's 293 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 2: a that's a feeling on like any other you know, 294 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 2: the NFL Draft just happened over the the past weekend, 295 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 2: and you know it's just it's always fun, you know, 296 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 2: looking back to to see those guys with their families 297 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 2: as they're waiting because it's it's so stressful. You know, 298 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 2: there's just it's it time draws out like a blade. 299 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 2: You can just see the you can feel the tension 300 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 2: among the players. But really, you know, when you get 301 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 2: that call, whenever it is, there really is no feeling 302 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 2: like that, because I mean, not only do you know 303 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 2: you're in for a pretty good paycheck, but you know 304 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 2: you know that you know like everything, you know, all 305 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 2: your hard work, you know, from the time you were 306 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 2: a kid to that moment, it's it's meant something. You know, 307 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 2: there's been a bit of a payoff, and you know 308 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 2: it just it feels good to have a team want 309 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 2: you like that, that they you know, they care enough 310 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 2: about you to to to to write your name on 311 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 2: that draft card and put their name next to your name, 312 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 2: and it's just a it's a great feeling, and it's 313 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 2: just it's fun for me every year to see those 314 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 2: guys achieve their lifelong dream. 315 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: Man, I want to ask you about the drafts, so 316 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: put a pin in that. I've got some questions about 317 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: what that's like, But I don't want to skip over 318 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: four years of your life as a razorback today. I 319 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: want to talk about something that's been on the minds 320 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: of many Americans lately, energy independence. With rising energy prices 321 00:15:55,600 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: and geopolitical tensions, it's more important than ever for our 322 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: country to be self sufficient when it comes to our 323 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: energy needs, and that's where Deep Well Services comes in. 324 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: They're a company that's not only dedicated to delivering top 325 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: not services to the oil and gas industry, but they're 326 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: also committed to the goal of American energy independence. With 327 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: their cutting edge technology an expert team of professionals, they're 328 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: helping to unlock new sources of domestic energy and reduce 329 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: our dependence on foreign oil. But that's not all. Deep 330 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: Well Services is also a great American company that's hiring 331 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: like crazy right now, and they're not just looking for 332 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: anyone if they're seeking out talented and hardworking individuals who 333 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: want to join their team and make a difference, and 334 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: with competitive salaries and benefits, it's a great opportunity to 335 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: not only work for a patriotic company, but also build 336 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: a rewarding career in the energy sector. So if you're 337 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: looking for a job with purpose and meaning, or if 338 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: you're simply passionate about American energy independence, then you should 339 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:10,640 Speaker 1: definitely check out deep Well Services. Visit their website at 340 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: Deepwellservices dot com to learn more about their company and 341 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 1: career opportunities. You got to tell me what it was like. 342 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 1: So you get you get the letter, you know, you're 343 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: going there, You're you're, you're so you're a freshman. What 344 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 1: is going through your mind when you're walking on to 345 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: a Division one football team? You know, really a really 346 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: great SEC team. Right, you're a freshman now going in, 347 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: going going on to that team. What are you thinking about? 348 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think every freshman. I always tell 349 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 2: people the biggest of it that they ask me, Hey, 350 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 2: what's the biggest jump is it from high school to 351 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 2: college or college to pro? The biggest jump, by far 352 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 2: is high school to college, because you know, when you're 353 00:17:58,119 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 2: what you know in high school, if you're a if 354 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 2: you're a D one recruit, you're not only the best 355 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 2: player on your team, you're probably the best player you've 356 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 2: ever seen, you know, in any game and in any 357 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 2: you know season, throughout your high school career. Most likely 358 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 2: when you go to college, everyone on your team is 359 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 2: that guy and and and you know it's it's it's 360 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 2: it's a super ultra competitive environment. I remember my first year, 361 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 2: I was on the defensive scout team and my my 362 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 2: freshman year Arkansas in the in the same backfield on 363 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 2: our on our football team, we had Darren McFadden, Doak 364 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 2: Walker Winter, we had Felix Jones, another first round draft pick, 365 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 2: and Peyton and Peyton Hillis who was later on the 366 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 2: cover of Madden, you know, a great running back in 367 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 2: the NFL. Those were our three running backs on the 368 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 2: same college football team. And you know, I remember like, 369 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 2: you know, like rushing the edge and you know just 370 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 2: kind of, you know, just you know, thinking that I 371 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 2: was a big, tough guy and Darren McFadden came in 372 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 2: there and you know, on just a simple pass block, 373 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 2: he hit me so hard I went flying like a 374 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 2: frisbee through the air, and you know, that was just 375 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 2: everyone's kind of got there, welcome to the SEC moment. 376 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 2: And that really was it for me when I was 377 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 2: when I was flying through the air, I kind of 378 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 2: thought to myself, man, like these guys are pretty good, 379 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 2: and you know, but really it was it was a 380 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 2: good experience for me because you know, I had to 381 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 2: rededicate myself. I had to recalibrate my goals and double 382 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 2: my efforts to to, you know, achieve the goals that 383 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 2: I had, which were to become a starter and become 384 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 2: a good college player because the guys were so good 385 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 2: and you know, we can get into it if you want, 386 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 2: but like we, I came into Arkansas kind of at 387 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 2: an interesting time. The coach who recruited me, Houston Nut, 388 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 2: he got fired after my freshman season, and I think 389 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 2: that ultimately worked my benefit because the new staff came 390 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 2: in cleaned house. He really wanted to change the culture 391 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 2: of the program, and that really worked out for me 392 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 2: because you know, I was I was a hard nosed guy. 393 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 2: The harder, the tougher. The environment really played to my 394 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 2: strengths and I was able to kind of work my 395 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 2: way into the roster, into the rotation and play a 396 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 2: lot my first couple of years when I probably didn't 397 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 2: deserve it. But we weren't very good, and you know, 398 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 2: it was fun to be a part of a process, 399 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 2: part of a team that started off, you know, really bad. 400 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 2: I mean, we were horrible my first couple of years, 401 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 2: but we grew together. We developed, We bought into the 402 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 2: system that coached Patrino instilled in us, and by my 403 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 2: last two years man, we went twenty one and five 404 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 2: my last two years. We finished number five in the 405 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 2: country my senior year and it was just it was 406 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 2: awesome to be a part of that. 407 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: I mean, what's it like running out of that tunnel 408 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: your senior year ranked number five in the Cotton Bowl 409 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: probably what one hundred thousand fans in the stands. What's 410 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: it like running out of that tunnel? As someone who's 411 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: trained their whole life for that moment. 412 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 2: It's incredible. And it's hard to describe to people who 413 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 2: aren't from a state like Arkansas what it's like to 414 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 2: play for the Razorbacks. I mean, Arkansas is a small state, 415 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 2: just about three million people. We don't have any pro 416 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 2: sports in the state. So the University of Arkansas the Razorbacks. 417 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 2: They're our team. And you know that, really the morale 418 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 2: of the state really rises and falls with the success 419 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 2: of the Razorback sports program. There was this old sports 420 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 2: writer named Orville Henry who I think said it best. 421 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 2: You know, he said that, you know, the people of 422 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 2: Arkansas realize that it's not just wins and losses, it's 423 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 2: the honor of the state that is at stake. And 424 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 2: you know that really that that that might seem like 425 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 2: a joke, but it's one hundred percent true. You know, 426 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 2: if you're from Arkansas, or if you're from kind of 427 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 2: an SEC school. You know, penn State might be like 428 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 2: that for Pennsylvania, but it's really special here. And so yeah, 429 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 2: to be a part of a good Arkansas Razorback football 430 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 2: team is just it's incredible. You know, you don't want 431 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:39,679 Speaker 2: to you don't want to live in the past or 432 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 2: you know, be the chairman and CEO if it can't 433 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 2: let it go club, but you know, you do. You know, 434 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 2: I have pride and looking back at those teams and 435 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 2: you know, I was a team captain twice, and you know, 436 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 2: we just we had a great group of guys and 437 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 2: just to see our development and our our bonding and 438 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 2: just how we pushed ourselves, you know, did the hard things. 439 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 2: You know, we we had we had these you know 440 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 2: during the off seasons. I started this this tradition where 441 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 2: we'd have we'd go out there on Saturdays into the 442 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 2: weight room. We called it Saturday gun Club, and you 443 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 2: know we would go in there and just you know, 444 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 2: just have the music blaring. You know, some guys just 445 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 2: really getting aftered in there, just like totally Suisponte. I mean, no, 446 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 2: no coaches, there, no one supervising. It was just something 447 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 2: we did. We actually got in trouble because some of 448 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 2: our more redneck teammates they actually brought guns to the 449 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 2: Saturday gun club workout one time. You know that that's 450 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 2: you know, it's you know, that's part of being an 451 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 2: Arkansas which is you know, kind of great, but yeah, 452 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 2: you know it's that that was the mentality we had 453 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 2: that we weren't going to be stopped. You know, we 454 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 2: weren't gonna be outworked. You know, we weren't going to 455 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 2: be out played, we weren't going to be out hustled. 456 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 2: And it's just great to see the rewards of that. 457 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 1: So that's leadership man, clearly team captain the last you 458 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: said two years. Two years. Obviously, building that team was 459 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: something that was in im mensely important to you. It's 460 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: something that obviously you're proud of as well. And I 461 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 1: think you know you're going in that weight room and 462 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: building a sense of collective identity. You know that camaraderie 463 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: had to pay off dividends on the field. You know, 464 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: what were what were some of the things that you 465 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: were focused on in terms in terms of principles that 466 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: you want to do instill in the players on that team, 467 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: especially freshman sophomore is coming up. 468 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 2: You know, it's a it's a great question, and you 469 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 2: know we we certainly found out in our first couple 470 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 2: of seasons. And and I got to give coach Patrino 471 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 2: a lot of credit for for doing this. I mean, 472 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 2: he he was intentionally trying to run some of the 473 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 2: bad apples out of our program. You know, he knew 474 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 2: that with some people it was going to be additioned 475 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 2: by subtraction. And you know, a lot of people don't 476 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 2: want to believe that, they think that everyone can kind 477 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 2: of come around. But you know when when the you know, 478 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 2: in New England, we kind of had a saying with 479 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 2: the Patriots. You know, the trains left the station. It's 480 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 2: going one hundred miles an hour. Either get on or 481 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 2: you get run over. And I just I think that's 482 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 2: that's the kind of mentality you have to have in 483 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 2: any successful organization, because you're really only as strong as 484 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 2: your weakest link. And if you let people who aren't 485 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 2: fully bought in, if if you let them, if you 486 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 2: allow them to drag everyone down, you know, then you're 487 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 2: not gonna be as sharp, You're not gonna be as 488 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,919 Speaker 2: elite as you possibly could. So you know, we weren't. 489 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 2: We weren't afraid afraid to to to crack a few eggs, 490 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 2: you know, to to to achieve our goals and to 491 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 2: you know, make sure everyone who was on the team 492 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 2: was was pulling in the same direction. And so I 493 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 2: really it wasn't just me. I mean, we had some 494 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 2: some other great leaders and some great coaches, but you know, 495 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 2: really everyone bought into that mentality. And you know, I 496 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 2: still talk about it with my former teammates. I mean, 497 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 2: that's that's really you know, that's the kind of culture 498 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 2: that you want to replicate, you know, whether you're in 499 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 2: a football team or you know, in a infantry platoon, 500 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 2: or you know, on a campaign, or you know in 501 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 2: in office or running a business. Uh, you know, wherever 502 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 2: you are, you know, like culture matters and leadership matters, 503 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 2: and you know, I you know, I was, I was. 504 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 2: I like to watch this clip from time to time 505 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 2: of Michael Jordan. Uh. It was during that uh the 506 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 2: Last Dance series on Netflix, and you know there's this 507 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 2: episode where he talks about leadership and he talks about uh, 508 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 2: well his former teammates and him, we're both talking about 509 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 2: you know, hey, like you know, Jordan, he wasn't a 510 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 2: nice guy, and you know he he wasn't everyone's buddy. 511 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 2: And you know, Jordan, he even got emotional kind of 512 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 2: talking about it. He was like, you know, that's you know, 513 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 2: leadership has a price, and and you know, creating a 514 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 2: championship culture, you know, creating a winning culture, creating a 515 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 2: winning country. You know, if we want to extrapolate it, 516 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 2: you know to America, that has a price. You know, 517 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 2: You're you're not gonna be able to be everyone, to 518 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 2: coddle everyone. You're not gonna have the luxury of you know, 519 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 2: just saying that, you know, whatever you want to do 520 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 2: is okay. You know, just yeah, you do you over here. 521 00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 2: I'm gonna do me over here. But it's all gonna 522 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 2: work out. That's just that's not how it works. And 523 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 2: in any successful organization, you know, I think that culture 524 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 2: is present. 525 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: It's I totally agree, and I you know, I don't 526 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 1: know if you've had this experience, but I know for me, 527 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 1: you know, being on championship teams is something that has 528 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: been extraordinarily rare in my life. And every championship team 529 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: that I've been on and that and that goes for 530 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: like even even business organizations are like in an infantry platune, 531 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, any team that's elite, there's something there. 532 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: There's a feeling that exists in the hearts and minds 533 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 1: of the people that are on the team that just 534 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: sets you apart. And it's difficult to put put your 535 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: finger on it at the time, but I look back 536 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: on those moments and one of the things that I 537 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: feel like I was real blessed after being in the 538 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: infantry and being a platoon leader in combat was that 539 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,439 Speaker 1: it gave me a sense of of of really what 540 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: made up a truly great team and the ability to 541 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: identify it. And it sounds like, you know, you're talking 542 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: about thinking back on being the team captain your junior 543 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 1: and your senior year as a razorback. I mean, it 544 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: sounds like you had a similar a similar experience there. 545 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: And I mean, obviously, you know, you go from a 546 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,679 Speaker 1: you know, to put it simply, like a team that 547 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: perhaps wasn't so good, to a team that had five 548 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 1: losses in two years, right, is what you said? Five 549 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: loss I mean, that's amazing. I mean in a four 550 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: year time period, you were able to turn it around 551 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: that much. Is It's truly extraordinary, man. 552 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know I agree with everything you said, 553 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 2: and really the results speak for themselves, and you really 554 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 2: can't you can't do it with that that kind of culture. 555 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, just to skip ahead to the 556 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 2: New England experience, you know, we called the Patriot way 557 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 2: and you know we I noticed this. It still shocks 558 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 2: me to think about it. But you know, we had 559 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 2: other NFL veteran players who would come in to the 560 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 2: program through trades or free agency. I mean, like big 561 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 2: name players. I'm not like, I'm not denigrating these guys, 562 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 2: but like Robert Gallery, he played ten years in the league, 563 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 2: Reggie Wayne, he'll probably up be in a Hall of 564 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 2: Fame for the Colts, you know, Kellen Winslow. These guys 565 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 2: came into the Patriots program and after like a week 566 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 2: of training camp, they went to Bill, they went to 567 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 2: Coach Belichick and said, hey, Coach, I'm going to retire. 568 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 2: You know this is I don't need this. You know, 569 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 2: y'all are getting after it too hard. I'm not used 570 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 2: to the way that you know, practice is run, used 571 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 2: to the way this is you know, things are being 572 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,199 Speaker 2: done here, So I'm just gonna go ahead and retire. Well, like, 573 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 2: that's the level of intensity that that you know, the 574 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 2: Patriots organization, that's the level they were at and that 575 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 2: was set by Belichick, that was set by Brady and 576 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 2: really it was a great preparation for me to go 577 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 2: from you know what I experienced at the University of Arkansas, 578 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 2: you know, to to a team that was that was 579 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 2: built similarly in terms of culture, being the Patriots. 580 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: So let's talk about that for a second. Jake, So 581 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: you're so you're a senior. Is there some sense that 582 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: you're going to get drafted or like the coaches saying too, 583 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: when you're a senior, O like, hey, kid, like you 584 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: really got a shot here if you is that? Do 585 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: those conversations happen? 586 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, as I mentioned earlier, I've always had goals. 587 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 2: I've always been a goal setter. You know, I've had 588 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 2: a goal sheet since the day I was, you know, 589 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 2: twelve years old. 590 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, man, that's crazy. I've got five kids 591 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,479 Speaker 1: on my own. I've got two girls that are both twelve, 592 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: and they are motivated. Don't get me wrong, but I 593 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,719 Speaker 1: don't think they have a goal sheet saying that they 594 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: want to be a professional athlete yet, and I don't 595 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: what a short change them. I could be totally wrong 596 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: because I got two highly motivated twelve year old girls, 597 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: but still. 598 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, and it's not just you know, 599 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 2: my dad, he always had it broken in into categories athletic, academic, 600 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 2: and then personal, spiritual in different time frames three months, 601 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 2: six months, a year, and three years, So it's not 602 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 2: just athletic. But me, yeah, like it's it's I first 603 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 2: got the idea that I had the chance to play 604 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 2: professionally my junior year of college. You know, I kind 605 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 2: of had to recalibrate my goals, like I you know, 606 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 2: my goal was alway just to kind of play at 607 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 2: Arkansas and be a good player. And you know, I 608 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 2: made All Conference my junior year, and I started getting 609 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 2: some attention from you know, the university brought in like 610 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 2: some sports agents to talk to us, to talk to 611 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 2: the guys who might have an opportunity to play professionally. 612 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 2: And I was like, wow, like you think I had 613 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 2: a chance to play the pros? And they're like yeah, man, 614 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 2: like you know, you're six five and you can run 615 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 2: and you've got production and so you know that that 616 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 2: was kind of it kind of clicked for me. Okay, 617 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 2: like you know, I can, I can, I can play 618 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 2: at the next level. And yeah, I mean I knew 619 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 2: that The draft process is pretty interesting. You know, you 620 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 2: go to the I played in the Senior Bowl, which 621 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 2: is an all star game for college grads. Then I 622 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 2: went to the NFL Combine in Indianapolis, which I'm sure 623 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 2: a lot of guys who followed football know what that is, 624 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 2: where you work out and do all the drills, and 625 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 2: then from you know, the intervening time between that and draft, 626 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 2: NFL teams can can work you out individually. So I 627 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 2: only a few teams sent scouts to Arkansas to work 628 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 2: me out, and when was Thetriots, and I knew they 629 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 2: really liked me. And you know, my agent that the 630 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 2: way the draft was structured, obviously there's the first round. 631 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 2: I knew I wasn't gonna be a first round pick. 632 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 2: Then there's the second night, which is rounds two and three, 633 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 2: and he was like, hey, you know, probably not gonna 634 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 2: be a round two, but you know, towards the end 635 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 2: of the third he was like, lookout for the Patriots. 636 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,479 Speaker 2: And I'll never forget I was. I was sitting there. 637 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 2: I was at home with my parents and my grandparents, 638 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 2: my brothers, and you know, we were just kind of 639 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 2: hanging out, keeping it loose. You know, we didn't want to, 640 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 2: you know, think about it too much, but we had 641 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 2: that We had the draft kind of on in the 642 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 2: background that I noticed out of the corner of my 643 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 2: eye with pick eighty nine in the third round, it 644 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 2: was a New Orleans Saints and then right after that, 645 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 2: pick ninety was the New England Patriots. And when it 646 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 2: said the Patriots are now on the clock, my phone 647 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 2: rang and it was an unknown phone number and I 648 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 2: was like, man, I bet that's them, And yeah, that 649 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 2: was it was. It was coach Belichick and and mister Kraft, 650 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 2: the owner of the team, and it was just it 651 00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 2: was just an amazing feeling. 652 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,959 Speaker 1: Oh man, I was gonna ask you what what are 653 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: you doing? You know, waiting on the call, Like are 654 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: you like Brett Farrees, like laying there on a bed 655 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: and a pair of Jean shorts with George Yeah, Like 656 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: what what are you doing? You're just how could I mean, 657 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: like you're not I was like, what is Jake out 658 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 1: at a cracker barrow or something with his family. His 659 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: phone rings, like, so it's it's you get the call. 660 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: What is What does Robert Krafter Bill Belichick say to you? 661 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 2: Well, we for my family, you know, we we try 662 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 2: to keep it as low key as possible. You know, 663 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 2: we didn't want it to be this big production and 664 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 2: you know, didn't have didn't have any cameras around. You know, 665 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 2: I wanted it to be, you know, just the way 666 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 2: I liked it, which was with my family, and you know, 667 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 2: if it if it happened that night, it did. If not, 668 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 2: we get it the next day. But yeah, I mean 669 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 2: it was it was It was fun. 670 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: You know. 671 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 2: When the phone rang, of course everyone started freaking out, 672 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 2: and you know I answered the phone, and this is 673 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 2: one of those moments you'll you'll never forget me. I 674 00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,080 Speaker 2: answered the phone and it was Coach Belichick's assistant and 675 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 2: he just said, you know, hey, Jake, hold for Coach Belichick. 676 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 2: So yeah, I'll hold for Coach Belichick. And you know, 677 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 2: Bill gets on the line and and just his classic 678 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 2: you know Monotoni is like, hey, Jake, you know we're 679 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 2: gonna pick you right here, pick ninety uh, you know, 680 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 2: really excited to get you on the team. Hold for 681 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 2: mister Kraft, I'm like, okay, like that that was it. 682 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 2: And so he he passed the phone to mister Kraft, 683 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 2: Robert Kraft, the owner, and you know, mister Kraft is 684 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 2: this just felt like grandfather of the figure. And he said, hey, Jake, 685 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 2: you know, we we hear you're really smart. And it's like, uh, 686 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 2: if you say so, yeah, you know you're a you're 687 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 2: a business major, you know, graduated in three years, and like, yeah, yeah, 688 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 2: that's right. He goes, well, yeah, we really like you 689 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 2: and we can't wait to get you up here. And 690 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 2: that really was it. You know, they we they handled 691 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 2: the logistics. I flew up there the next day and 692 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 2: it was just it was a it was a fun night. 693 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 2: You know, we really really celebrated that night and it 694 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 2: was just it was a whirlwind. I mean, you just 695 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 2: you know your life's about to change. And you know, 696 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 2: for me, I lived my entire life in the South. 697 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 2: Most of my family is from Arkansas and Texas. And 698 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 2: you know, I'd been to the northeast briefly to New 699 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 2: York and d C. But I'd never been to Massachusetts, 700 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 2: had never really been up in in New England. So 701 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 2: it was it was it was a new experience, a 702 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 2: culture shock, but man, it was a it was a 703 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 2: blessing to to be up there and and be a 704 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 2: part of the Patriot way. 705 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 1: So what they did? What did they do? They flew 706 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 1: you up the next day? Did they first class? 707 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 2: Yeah? They I think they flew me first class. I mean, 708 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 2: there's not a lot of not a lot of big 709 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 2: jets coming in out of Little Rock. But you know, 710 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 2: we we we got up there, and you know, it 711 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 2: really was just kind of an initial visit to meet 712 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 2: the coaches and I met some of the other guys 713 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 2: who were drafted around me. We had an amazing draft 714 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 2: class that year. We had the Patriots traded up, which 715 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 2: is rare, they've traded up into the first round and 716 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 2: picked two first round picks, Chandler Jones and Dante high Tower, 717 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 2: two guys who were who had freaking incredible careers and 718 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 2: who have made a lot of money. And we had 719 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 2: in my class Tavon Wilson who had a great career, 720 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 2: Nate Ebner who just finished up like a ten year career. 721 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 2: I mean, we had a lot of guys who did 722 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 2: really well. It was a great draft class. And so 723 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 2: you know, we got to know everyone, and you know, 724 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 2: really it was about two weeks after that where I 725 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,319 Speaker 2: moved up to Boston permanently. And you know that's when 726 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 2: you get into rookie mini camp and you really, you know, 727 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 2: you either jump on the train or you get run over. 728 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,320 Speaker 1: Man, I have so many questions. So so so you're 729 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 1: up in New England and Gillette, right, and so you 730 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 1: get the call from Belichick, right, and he's like a 731 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: little Monotte like, by the way, as someone who is 732 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: run for office, I know you appreciate this, but how 733 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 1: Belichick deals with the press I absolutely love to this day. 734 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,439 Speaker 1: His press conferences are amazing, his best conference amazing. Yeah, 735 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: he's the best. So you're on you're on the same team. 736 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:07,800 Speaker 1: Then you get drafted in twenty twelve, you're on the 737 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 1: same team with with Tom Brady. It was Rob Gronkowski 738 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: on the team in twenty two yeah, and on the 739 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,320 Speaker 1: team Hernandez as well. Yeah right right, that's that whole team. 740 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: Did you learn anything from those guys? 741 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, it really was. 742 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: Uh, maybe not Hernandez, but but yeah maybe Brady. 743 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 2: I learned what not to do from Hernandez. But yeah, 744 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 2: I mean being around Tom Brady, I like to tell 745 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 2: this story. You know, the first the first full team 746 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 2: meeting that we had to start the twenty twelve season 747 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,760 Speaker 2: was in May, I believe that year, after the draft 748 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 2: in April, and that's when all the Vets came in 749 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 2: from mini camp, and you know, it was you know, 750 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,840 Speaker 2: Bill was kind of giving his recap of the previous 751 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 2: year that the team had just lost the Super Bowl 752 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:56,840 Speaker 2: to the Giants the year before. I remember, yeah, in 753 00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 2: twenty eleven. And so is that one was that. 754 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 1: The one with plack Schoo Burris caught with the one 755 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 1: handed pat Was that? 756 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 2: No, well, now that was that was David Tyree. That 757 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 2: was the year that was seven. That was right right 758 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,840 Speaker 2: right right right season the twenty eleven Super Bowl. That 759 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,840 Speaker 2: was the one in Indianapolis. That was just a close 760 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 2: game and the Giants won. Mary O Manningham had that 761 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,439 Speaker 2: long catchdown. Oh I remember, I remember, I remember. Yeah, 762 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 2: it was just another light. I mean, the Giants just 763 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,800 Speaker 2: kind of had the Patriots number man. Tom Coughlin was 764 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,319 Speaker 2: a hell of a good coach. But anyway, so so 765 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 2: Bill was kind of giving his recap of the season, 766 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 2: and I'll never forget so Tom Walks in and you know, 767 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 2: he he takes his seat in the in the team 768 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 2: meeting room. It's, you know, just like an auditorium, as 769 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,479 Speaker 2: you can imagine, and you know, he sits there front 770 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,319 Speaker 2: row center, and I'll never forget. You know, Bill's kind 771 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 2: of giving his expectations for the season. And I'm sure 772 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 2: it's the same speech that Tom had heard fifteen times 773 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 2: before that and would hear ten more times after that. 774 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 2: But you know, there Brady was, and he was sitting 775 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 2: in his seat, and he had his he had his 776 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 2: notebook out, and he was sitting up in a year 777 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,400 Speaker 2: and he was just he was furiously scribbling notes, just 778 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 2: paying attention to everything Bill was saying. You know, it's 779 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 2: very engaged. You could just tell with his body language. 780 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 2: And I mean, I'm like that had an effect on 781 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 2: the team. I mean every once, Hey, if Tom Brady, 782 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 2: the greatest quarterback of all time, is sitting up taking notes, 783 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 2: paying attention, engaged, if he's doing that in this like nothing. 784 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 1: Meeting, then you know, what what does that mean for me? 785 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 2: For a no name rookie, for all these other guys 786 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 2: who were just trying to make the roster. And so 787 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,360 Speaker 2: really that was part of the genius of the Patriot 788 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 2: way is you know, obviously Belichick set the tone. He 789 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 2: was the boss, but the most important guy. And I 790 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,360 Speaker 2: say this, I mean in college football, the most important 791 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 2: guy in the room is the head football coach. In 792 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 2: the professional game, the most important guy in the room 793 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 2: is the starting quarterback. And Tom Brady and Belichick were 794 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 2: on the same page about everything. And as hard as 795 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,880 Speaker 2: Bill pushed the team, if Tom wasn't fully on board, 796 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:00,719 Speaker 2: it never would have worked. You know, there would have 797 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,799 Speaker 2: been a locker room rebellion, which is what you saw. Unfortunately, 798 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 2: with a lot of other you know, football teams, particularly 799 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,440 Speaker 2: like former Patriots assistant coaches, like coordinators like Johnsman Daniels, 800 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 2: Romeo Crenell, Charlie Weiss, you know, and many others, Bill O'Brien, 801 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,839 Speaker 2: you know, Matt, Patricia and Detroit, like they all tried 802 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 2: to be Bill. But if you don't have the buy 803 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 2: in of the QB one and you don't win immediately, 804 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 2: you know, like the head coach, like he's not nearly 805 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,680 Speaker 2: the highest paid guy in the room, so the players 806 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 2: aren't really gonna listen to him, Like you're gonna lose 807 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,280 Speaker 2: the locker room. So so that was a huge competitive 808 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,319 Speaker 2: advantage that the Patriots had was you had this very 809 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,799 Speaker 2: hard charging, tough football coach, but you had the quarterback 810 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,239 Speaker 2: who was totally on board with everything. And you know 811 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,799 Speaker 2: that was just that was a tonesetter from day one. 812 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,279 Speaker 2: I mean, obviously Gronk kept things light. I mean, I'll 813 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,719 Speaker 2: tell you a quick story about Gronk. So all the 814 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,879 Speaker 2: all the Patriots as players, we all have these key 815 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,480 Speaker 2: fobs that get gave us twenty four to seven access 816 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,640 Speaker 2: to the Patriots facility, and you know, during the off season, 817 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,799 Speaker 2: you know Gronk. I mean I tell people, ask me 818 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,880 Speaker 2: what Gronk's like. He's exactly how you imagine him to be. 819 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,920 Speaker 2: I mean, he like, he loves to do two things, 820 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,719 Speaker 2: playball and party, and he's really good at both of them. 821 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,360 Speaker 2: And he would he would go out in Boston or 822 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:23,160 Speaker 2: Providence and he would have his boys like drop him 823 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,799 Speaker 2: off at the at the Patriots facility like two or 824 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,359 Speaker 2: three in the morning, and he would fob in and 825 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,920 Speaker 2: he would go and like fall asleep on the Patriots 826 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:37,719 Speaker 2: training table beds. And when the when the trainers would 827 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 2: come in the next morning at like five point thirty, 828 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,560 Speaker 2: they'd see Gronk laying there and they wouldn't wake him up. 829 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,799 Speaker 2: They would just roll up his sleeve and give him 830 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:48,239 Speaker 2: an IV and just like resurrect him. And you know, 831 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,760 Speaker 2: a couple hours later, the guys on the practice field 832 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 2: just dominating. And that that's when I realized, Sean, that like, 833 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,839 Speaker 2: you know, my ceiling might be pretty high, but it's 834 00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,600 Speaker 2: not it's not as high as some of these guys. 835 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,919 Speaker 2: I mean, and you know I was. I was trying 836 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 2: to do everything right, you know, you know, workout twice 837 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,480 Speaker 2: a day, take care of my body. And then you 838 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,600 Speaker 2: see someone like Gronk, who's, you know, just an absolute 839 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,160 Speaker 2: freak of nature. I mean, great guy, worked hard, so 840 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 2: like you know, I couldn't. I could not have done 841 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:19,400 Speaker 2: what he was doing in terms of extracurricular activities and 842 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,440 Speaker 2: then performed in the way that he did. I mean, 843 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:22,440 Speaker 2: he was just unbelievable. 844 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:27,399 Speaker 1: That is a that's an amazing, amazing story. I mean 845 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,799 Speaker 1: I had. I mean, obviously you've been in the infantry too. 846 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,480 Speaker 1: I mean we've had guys poping ivs and themselves after 847 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,480 Speaker 1: a hard night of drinking or partying or whatever. But 848 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:39,200 Speaker 1: obviously they're not playing NFL football. On probably arguably the 849 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,640 Speaker 1: best team in the NFL, especially at the time. I mean, 850 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,280 Speaker 1: I'll tell you, as a Steelers fan and a rabid 851 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:50,160 Speaker 1: football fan myself, I mean I could not stand the Patriots, 852 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:55,680 Speaker 1: especially twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, fourteen fifteen. You talk about 853 00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,960 Speaker 1: the Giants having the Patriots number, Well, the Patriots had 854 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:02,200 Speaker 1: the Steelers number all really all the time, man, all 855 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,960 Speaker 1: the time. And and the Steelers back then, I mean 856 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,400 Speaker 1: had Ben Roethlisberger as r QB and one had a 857 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,120 Speaker 1: hell of a team, and it just I just thought 858 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,960 Speaker 1: Tom Brady was the Darth Vader of football. Is basically 859 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,799 Speaker 1: what I always used to say. What's what's funny is 860 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,919 Speaker 1: my wife is like a huge, huge Patriots fan, huge 861 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:23,239 Speaker 1: Patriots fan. And and I'll tell you what though, man, 862 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,280 Speaker 1: obviously I was a fan, didn't really know anything about 863 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,160 Speaker 1: Tom Brady personally, and I'm sure as I didn't know 864 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,279 Speaker 1: him the way that you do now. But when he 865 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,279 Speaker 1: moved to Tampa Bay and you took Tampa Bay from 866 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,920 Speaker 1: basically like a losing football team to a Super Bowl 867 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,640 Speaker 1: champion in one year, it made me a believer in 868 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,359 Speaker 1: Tom Brady, man, because there's he's obviously has something in 869 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,120 Speaker 1: his heart and his mind and the way that he 870 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,239 Speaker 1: performs in the field, the way he dedicates himself to 871 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 1: the craft. He's got something that's contagious to other people 872 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:59,399 Speaker 1: on the team. And what you described it right there 873 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,600 Speaker 1: in that first meat comes in. He's laser focused and 874 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,480 Speaker 1: he's taken notes after hearing his speech. He's probably heard 875 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,400 Speaker 1: a hundred times. I mean, that's amazing to me, that's fascinating. 876 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,400 Speaker 2: He just he raised the level of performance of everyone 877 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,279 Speaker 2: around him. And that's that's just the mark of a 878 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,040 Speaker 2: great leader, because you know, like any anyone can perform 879 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,239 Speaker 2: at a high level. But when you're when that's contagious, 880 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,279 Speaker 2: as you said, when you're when you're the when you're 881 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,439 Speaker 2: the rising tide that lifts all boats, you know, you're 882 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,839 Speaker 2: you're something special. And I noticed the first hand. I mean, 883 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,479 Speaker 2: guys would just you know, it's you know, and Tom 884 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:30,840 Speaker 2: was good about it. You know, he would make a 885 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,400 Speaker 2: point to have a personal relationship with every guy on 886 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,319 Speaker 2: the team. You know, NFL team is kind of cool. 887 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,319 Speaker 2: I mean there's there's small teams. I mean you only 888 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,120 Speaker 2: have like forty five guys dress out every Sunday. An 889 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,640 Speaker 2: NFL sideline is pretty lonely. I mean, there's like no button, 890 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,560 Speaker 2: no one there, and so you really get to know 891 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,960 Speaker 2: everyone on the team really well. And you know Brady, 892 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:51,919 Speaker 2: like you know, with the rookies, he was he would 893 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,279 Speaker 2: always do a good job of like you know, I 894 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,880 Speaker 2: remember like one of my first weeks up there, I 895 00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,360 Speaker 2: was having breakfast. I was in there early by myself 896 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,279 Speaker 2: and and he got there early too, and you know, 897 00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,160 Speaker 2: he made a point to just sit down next to 898 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,160 Speaker 2: me and just start talking. And you know, we had 899 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,400 Speaker 2: a conversation. We were talking about golf or something. And 900 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,920 Speaker 2: I think he did that on purpose, I noticed, because 901 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,120 Speaker 2: he wanted to get everyone kind of over the ooze 902 00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,800 Speaker 2: and ohs of oh my gosh, that's Tom Brady. Because 903 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,640 Speaker 2: like once you once you get over that, you know, 904 00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,120 Speaker 2: you realize that, you know, he's just a man like 905 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,120 Speaker 2: anyone else. And you know, obviously he's he's the greatest 906 00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,600 Speaker 2: quarterback of all time in my opinion, but at the 907 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,719 Speaker 2: end of the day, he's still a man, and you know, 908 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,040 Speaker 2: he's he he bleeds just like we bleed, and he's 909 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,040 Speaker 2: got emotions in a family, and you know, it's just 910 00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,440 Speaker 2: I think that was important to make him to kind 911 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,360 Speaker 2: of humanize himself for the rest of the players, so 912 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,120 Speaker 2: we could have a good working relationship. And you know, 913 00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:44,040 Speaker 2: I played some offense my lighter my last year in 914 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,400 Speaker 2: New England, and you know, I just I got to 915 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:50,400 Speaker 2: experience firsthand, like what made him so great as a quarterback. 916 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,840 Speaker 2: I mean, like when you're running routes and you know, 917 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,400 Speaker 2: say you're a tight end and you know you're you 918 00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,720 Speaker 2: see cover two where you know you've got split safeties 919 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,240 Speaker 2: and you're running the seame like you know the ball's 920 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,520 Speaker 2: coming to you, like you know that you're the right 921 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,759 Speaker 2: ridid And like if if you know, say like nothing 922 00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,680 Speaker 2: against some other quarterbacks, but like if if say like 923 00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,000 Speaker 2: Jimmy Garoppolo or one of the other backups was in 924 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,399 Speaker 2: the in the huddle, you know like hey, like maybe 925 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,200 Speaker 2: he'll see you, like maybe the court that the pass 926 00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,840 Speaker 2: will be on on on the mark. But with Brady, 927 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,080 Speaker 2: you know, when you're running that route and you know 928 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,520 Speaker 2: you're open, like you better get your head around because 929 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:23,920 Speaker 2: the ball is going to hit you right in the 930 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:28,640 Speaker 2: shoulder pads like right wind. You clear that second level, 931 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,080 Speaker 2: like like the ball is just I mean, like that 932 00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,480 Speaker 2: that was Brady's true, That was his distinguishing factor. I 933 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,960 Speaker 2: mean he was. He was the smartest QB in the league, 934 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,360 Speaker 2: and he was the most accurate, really, him and Aaron Rodgers, 935 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,200 Speaker 2: and you know, that was just it was amazing to 936 00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,359 Speaker 2: see that from both ends, from the defensive end and 937 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,359 Speaker 2: then you know, playing offense or you have to see 938 00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,200 Speaker 2: it from the other side of the chess board. So yeah, 939 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,120 Speaker 2: just being around that that level of excellence with the 940 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,200 Speaker 2: coaching staff and the players, you know, defensive guys like 941 00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,480 Speaker 2: Vince will Fork and Gerrod Mayo and Rob Ninkovich. I mean, 942 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,160 Speaker 2: it was a really special group. So, Jake, so what 943 00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:04,720 Speaker 2: do you think. 944 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:06,880 Speaker 1: You know, I'm asking you to speculate about Brady a 945 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,919 Speaker 1: little bit, but you know he he people make fun 946 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,839 Speaker 1: of his draft class picture. You know, no one thought 947 00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:15,520 Speaker 1: that that guy was going to be the best quarterback 948 00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,400 Speaker 1: in the history of the NFL. Was he born that 949 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,479 Speaker 1: way or did he work his ass off to get there? 950 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,799 Speaker 2: He worked his ass off, you know, Tom, I tell 951 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,799 Speaker 2: these stories a lot too. You know, he was he 952 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,040 Speaker 2: was way ahead of the curve in terms of nutrition. 953 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,839 Speaker 2: You know, he he had a you know, he had 954 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,400 Speaker 2: his own nutritionist. You know, we were we were fed 955 00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,719 Speaker 2: really well from the training table in New England. But 956 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,000 Speaker 2: like Tom had his own he had his own method, 957 00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,640 Speaker 2: which he has since published, the tv TV twelfth Method 958 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,759 Speaker 2: for Nutrition and Training. I mean, obviously he wasn't the 959 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,920 Speaker 2: fastest guy, he wasn't the most athletic guy, but you know, 960 00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:54,080 Speaker 2: as a quarterback, he was. He was extremely intelligent, you know, 961 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,440 Speaker 2: he he he was. He was worked perfectly in our 962 00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:01,280 Speaker 2: offense with our office, the coordinator Josh by Daniels. There's 963 00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,120 Speaker 2: no one better pre snapped than Tom Brady. He knew 964 00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,040 Speaker 2: what the coverage was, he knew the matchup you wanted. Yeah, 965 00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,799 Speaker 2: it helps to have guys like Gronk, but you know, 966 00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,440 Speaker 2: like like like Brady just he was He was a 967 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,560 Speaker 2: magician at using pre stat motion and pre snap reads 968 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,759 Speaker 2: to know exactly what the coverage was going to be 969 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,759 Speaker 2: and get us into the right play. And you know, 970 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,480 Speaker 2: it's kind of a it's kind of a lesser known 971 00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,279 Speaker 2: attribute of his, but you know, a big part of 972 00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,399 Speaker 2: playing in the NFL for a long time, no matter 973 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,000 Speaker 2: what position you are, is staying healthy. And you know 974 00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,840 Speaker 2: Brady was. I mean, it's a skill for a quarterback 975 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,400 Speaker 2: to like avoid big hits, you know, big Ben Roethlisberger. 976 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:38,880 Speaker 2: He was different. I mean he was like two eighty 977 00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:40,920 Speaker 2: guys just kind of bounced off as him. Yeah he's 978 00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,200 Speaker 2: getting crushed, but he was still getting rocked and he 979 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,399 Speaker 2: had some injuries. You know, Brady was just I mean 980 00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,080 Speaker 2: like he would go and I mean, I'm telling you 981 00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,680 Speaker 2: there were entire games where Brady would not get touched. 982 00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,799 Speaker 2: And I mean that's you know, you multiply that at 983 00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:55,719 Speaker 2: over a twenty year career, and that's how you play 984 00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,759 Speaker 2: that that long at a high level. You just you're 985 00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,719 Speaker 2: not really You're not just getting rock like a lot 986 00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:01,640 Speaker 2: of these qbs are. 987 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,920 Speaker 1: So the reason why I asked that question, Jake, is 988 00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,279 Speaker 1: because it sounds like you just work your ass off 989 00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,359 Speaker 1: to get to where you are. You know, fought tooth 990 00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:11,960 Speaker 1: and nail to get to where you are. It sounds 991 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,080 Speaker 1: like you know you're a junior as a razorback. Wait, 992 00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:16,760 Speaker 1: you think I got what it takes to play pro? 993 00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,080 Speaker 1: And the answer is yeah, man, I think you can 994 00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,719 Speaker 1: do it so clearly, Like I mean maybe, I mean 995 00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,319 Speaker 1: maybe you always dreamt of playing pro. Maybe it was maybe, 996 00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,320 Speaker 1: but maybe you didn't think it was a reality until 997 00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:31,919 Speaker 1: that point. And clearly, I mean Tom Brady, I mean, 998 00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:33,600 Speaker 1: I don't think anyone ever thought he was going to 999 00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,520 Speaker 1: be the best quarterback that ever played. But I agree 1000 00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,680 Speaker 1: with you. I think he's the best quarterback to ever 1001 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:41,840 Speaker 1: play the game. And it is what I tell my 1002 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,359 Speaker 1: son now. It's like, yes, I know that, you know, 1003 00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,759 Speaker 1: working your butt off playing a sport like sometimes it's 1004 00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,279 Speaker 1: just about who works the hardest. Because like you, Jake, 1005 00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,440 Speaker 1: I've never been the biggest, strongest, fastest, most intelligent, but 1006 00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,920 Speaker 1: in you know, and I never had what to take 1007 00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,400 Speaker 1: to play Division one anything or pro anything. But you know, 1008 00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,160 Speaker 1: hard work and dedication, you know, applies to all areas 1009 00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,319 Speaker 1: of life as well, whether you're you know, trying to 1010 00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,160 Speaker 1: excel in business or get a book published or run 1011 00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,000 Speaker 1: for office or whatever. And so what I was always 1012 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,839 Speaker 1: trying to tell my kids is like, look, man, there 1013 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,040 Speaker 1: are always going to be somebody better, There's always going 1014 00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,759 Speaker 1: to be somebody faster, There's always going to be somebody stronger. 1015 00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,360 Speaker 1: But what sets you apart is what you do with it, 1016 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,440 Speaker 1: what your work ethic is, what your what's your attitude like? 1017 00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:29,520 Speaker 1: And it sounds like both you and Brady do NFL 1018 00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,680 Speaker 1: players on the Patriots had a similar attitude. 1019 00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very well said, and it's a lesson for everyone. 1020 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,520 Speaker 2: You know, whether you're a parent of small kids, or 1021 00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,400 Speaker 2: you're a leader in an organization, or even as a 1022 00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:46,360 Speaker 2: follower someone who aspires to lead a group of people 1023 00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,560 Speaker 2: or or a company or whatever it is, you know, 1024 00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,680 Speaker 2: you've got to have the mentality that you know it's 1025 00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:54,320 Speaker 2: it's not always going to work out the way you 1026 00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:55,680 Speaker 2: think it is. You know you're going to be faced 1027 00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,600 Speaker 2: with adversity, and that's not always a bad thing. I mean, 1028 00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,759 Speaker 2: Brady was he was the the seventh quarterback drafted in 1029 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,000 Speaker 2: his draft class and in the year two thousand and 1030 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:06,520 Speaker 2: you know, he he kind of had to have a 1031 00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,040 Speaker 2: lucky break to get his to get his shot with 1032 00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,920 Speaker 2: the Patriots with Drew Bledsoe getting injured. But you know, 1033 00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,359 Speaker 2: all of his preparation and all of his hard work, 1034 00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:18,400 Speaker 2: you know, kind of got him that that opportunity, and 1035 00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,480 Speaker 2: he sees the moment and made the most of it. 1036 00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,680 Speaker 2: And you know, that's that's kind of what That's what 1037 00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,160 Speaker 2: I tell young people, and and that's the advice that 1038 00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,719 Speaker 2: I try to give to to to young leaders everywhere, 1039 00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,080 Speaker 2: is is that you know, you've you've got to separate yourself. 1040 00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:32,840 Speaker 2: You've got to be willing to do things that no 1041 00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,840 Speaker 2: one else is willing to do. And then when you 1042 00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,000 Speaker 2: have that opportunity, you can't let it slip. You have 1043 00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:39,920 Speaker 2: to you have to be ready to seize the moment 1044 00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:42,880 Speaker 2: because you don't know, you know, when you're gonna have 1045 00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,200 Speaker 2: other chances, and that you know, you don't know when 1046 00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,760 Speaker 2: you're gonna have injuries, Like every one of the NFL 1047 00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,560 Speaker 2: has injuries. I mean, you're not gonna know when when 1048 00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,239 Speaker 2: you're in the military, when things are gonna go wrong 1049 00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,799 Speaker 2: and there's gonna be a leadership shuffle or you know, 1050 00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:56,239 Speaker 2: whatever it is. You don't know whether you're gonna get 1051 00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,719 Speaker 2: the deployment or not. But your your your job, and 1052 00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,080 Speaker 2: that was kind of Bill's mantra. Belichick's mantra was to 1053 00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,239 Speaker 2: always do your job and you know not not you know, 1054 00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,480 Speaker 2: ignore the noise, focus on what you can control, and 1055 00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,400 Speaker 2: when you're called upon to act and to do your job, 1056 00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:11,680 Speaker 2: you're ready to do it. 1057 00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:16,560 Speaker 1: Man. So you're on the Patriots, you end up getting 1058 00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:20,080 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl ring with them, Jake, and you transition 1059 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:21,680 Speaker 1: off the team, do you have an injury or something 1060 00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:22,040 Speaker 1: like that. 1061 00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:26,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I had had a really unfortunate streak of injuries, 1062 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,120 Speaker 2: had a knee surgery, a shoulder surgery, and a core surgery, 1063 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,879 Speaker 2: like basically all at once. And that yeah, that after 1064 00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,080 Speaker 2: four years, that that pretty much knocked me out of 1065 00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:36,480 Speaker 2: the league. 1066 00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:42,520 Speaker 1: So you transition and now you're an ex NFL player. 1067 00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,319 Speaker 1: How old are you at this point? I was twenty six, 1068 00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:50,920 Speaker 1: So you're you're twenty six years old, and then you 1069 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,840 Speaker 1: make the decision to enlist in the army. Where the 1070 00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,480 Speaker 1: hell did that come from? 1071 00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:57,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the question my parents were asking. 1072 00:51:58,280 --> 00:51:59,040 Speaker 1: It's crazy. 1073 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,560 Speaker 2: So I, I mean, there's a little more to the story. 1074 00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,600 Speaker 2: I I got hurt, and I was I was out 1075 00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,160 Speaker 2: of the league, and I was kind of at a crossroads, 1076 00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,719 Speaker 2: like I knew that, you know, just to back up 1077 00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:11,440 Speaker 2: a little bit, there was a guy who was a 1078 00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:15,120 Speaker 2: very influential part of the Patriots organization. He was a 1079 00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,840 Speaker 2: former Navy CEO, a Sealed Team six guy who was 1080 00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:20,680 Speaker 2: a childhood friend of one of the coaches, and he 1081 00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,359 Speaker 2: was always hanging around the team and I always found 1082 00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,920 Speaker 2: myself talking to him and his name is Dom and 1083 00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,960 Speaker 2: you know, he he you know, just just hearing his 1084 00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,000 Speaker 2: story and what he had done and what he was doing. 1085 00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,480 Speaker 2: He was still active at the time, you know, with 1086 00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,799 Speaker 2: the East Coast Seal teams, and you know, I was 1087 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,600 Speaker 2: I kind of came to the decision that you know, 1088 00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,319 Speaker 2: when I wanted to play football for as long as 1089 00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,400 Speaker 2: I could, but I made the decision that you know, 1090 00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,959 Speaker 2: whenever that day was over, where I was no longer 1091 00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:48,960 Speaker 2: in the NFL, you know, I wanted to serve in 1092 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,080 Speaker 2: the military. No one in my family had ever joined 1093 00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,399 Speaker 2: the military. I mean, I had some distant relatives who 1094 00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,880 Speaker 2: had who had been in, but that was just that 1095 00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,440 Speaker 2: was a calling that I really couldn't explain where it 1096 00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,040 Speaker 2: came from other than it was just something guy I 1097 00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,839 Speaker 2: put on my heart, you know, through dom and through 1098 00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,720 Speaker 2: some others. And I've always been someone who loved history 1099 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,040 Speaker 2: and has always looked up to to soldiers and statesmen 1100 00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,040 Speaker 2: and people who have had that in their background. But 1101 00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,919 Speaker 2: you know, so I got hurt my fourth year, and 1102 00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:16,560 Speaker 2: I was kind of like, well, you know, I can 1103 00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:18,399 Speaker 2: try to hang around the league for a couple more 1104 00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,040 Speaker 2: years and see if I can make another roster, or 1105 00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,920 Speaker 2: I can just you know, take all these surgeries and 1106 00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,520 Speaker 2: you know, take some time to get healthy and then 1107 00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,960 Speaker 2: go to the army. And so I actually went to 1108 00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:31,520 Speaker 2: law school for a year I went to I went 1109 00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:35,080 Speaker 2: to Georgetown Law in Washington, d C. And my original 1110 00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,080 Speaker 2: game plan was to was to get my law degree, 1111 00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:39,759 Speaker 2: you know, get my JD, past the bar, and then 1112 00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:41,839 Speaker 2: go in. I still wanted to do infantry, but I 1113 00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:43,799 Speaker 2: figured I would still be young enough, and you know, 1114 00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,960 Speaker 2: my dad's a lawyer. Like I've always you know, I 1115 00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,680 Speaker 2: always wanted to to just have a legal education. Never 1116 00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,480 Speaker 2: wanted to practice law, but I figured why not. And 1117 00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:52,840 Speaker 2: when I was when I was in DC, when I 1118 00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,120 Speaker 2: was in law school, I got to know some great 1119 00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,200 Speaker 2: people in town and people who had been in the military, 1120 00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,560 Speaker 2: people who were still in the military, and I kind 1121 00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,319 Speaker 2: of told them plan, and every single one of them, 1122 00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:02,960 Speaker 2: to a man, was like, hey, look, you know, you're 1123 00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,400 Speaker 2: still a relatively young You're healthy. Now. You know, if 1124 00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,239 Speaker 2: you want to go you know, you know, be in 1125 00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,359 Speaker 2: the infantry and go through ranger school and do all that, like, 1126 00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,480 Speaker 2: you should do it right now. You know, while you're 1127 00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,280 Speaker 2: still young, you can always go back to law school. 1128 00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,080 Speaker 2: And I really thought about that and prayed about that 1129 00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:18,680 Speaker 2: for a long time. And after my first year of 1130 00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,320 Speaker 2: law school or first year and a half, you know, 1131 00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,879 Speaker 2: that's when I decided to drop out and join the army. 1132 00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,959 Speaker 1: Man. That's so you enlisted and go to tow OCS. 1133 00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I went through basic training. I was on 1134 00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:36,359 Speaker 2: an OCS contract, so I did basic, you know, as 1135 00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,720 Speaker 2: an enlisted soldier, and then went through Officer Canada School, 1136 00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,320 Speaker 2: which is a pretty good deal. It's it's a twelve 1137 00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:46,200 Speaker 2: week program and once you successfully complete that, you commission. 1138 00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,439 Speaker 2: I branched into the infantry and then did yeah, the 1139 00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:54,320 Speaker 2: the Infantry Basic Officer Leadership course and then Arranger School 1140 00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,480 Speaker 2: and then went to the one hundred and first. 1141 00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:02,040 Speaker 1: Jake, I wish I could just describe in words adequately 1142 00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,879 Speaker 1: for people that are listening or watching how you go 1143 00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,240 Speaker 1: from the top of the top on the New England 1144 00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:11,239 Speaker 1: Patriots to go and to be an OCS like toy, 1145 00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:16,120 Speaker 1: you've got it, Like that's an unbelievable thing. I mean, 1146 00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,680 Speaker 1: like you go from being a professional athlete and the 1147 00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,680 Speaker 1: best football team in the world to being the lowest 1148 00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,480 Speaker 1: of the low and OCS. OCS sucks. I remember watching 1149 00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:28,759 Speaker 1: those OCS officer candidates run around with the little ascots. 1150 00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,280 Speaker 2: On like yes, god, you have nothing. 1151 00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:34,160 Speaker 1: You go from the top down to nothing essentially and 1152 00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:38,239 Speaker 1: got talk about humility, man, because there's no way you 1153 00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:39,880 Speaker 1: can do that without a sense of humility. 1154 00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:44,640 Speaker 2: Humility is a great word. I remember that feeling, you know, 1155 00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,239 Speaker 2: going from my you know, I lived in Boston when 1156 00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:48,799 Speaker 2: I was with the Patriots, and you know, had a 1157 00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,000 Speaker 2: really nice apartment in Boston, and when I was in 1158 00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,239 Speaker 2: d C, had had a nice apartment in d C. 1159 00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:56,759 Speaker 2: And then I go from that to being in a 1160 00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:04,200 Speaker 2: big open bay with bump beds and like sixty basic trainees, uh, 1161 00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,480 Speaker 2: and then going from there to slightly better accommodations at 1162 00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,799 Speaker 2: O C S and I just remember, like, yeah, I mean, 1163 00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,439 Speaker 2: you know, here, here we are. You know, you wanted 1164 00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,440 Speaker 2: to serve. You know, this is this is part of 1165 00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:18,760 Speaker 2: the deal, you know, humbling yourself and you know, going 1166 00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,319 Speaker 2: to to to to wear the uniform and and you know, 1167 00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,840 Speaker 2: just be, uh, be whatever your rank and your accomplishments 1168 00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,759 Speaker 2: describe you to be, which is what the military really is. 1169 00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,279 Speaker 2: And you know, I think a lot of my you know, 1170 00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,560 Speaker 2: fellow basic trainees and guys in o CS and and 1171 00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,040 Speaker 2: on and on. You know, some of the cadread instructors, 1172 00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,319 Speaker 2: you know, they figured out who I was, and you know, 1173 00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,920 Speaker 2: they they respected what I was doing. And you know, 1174 00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,840 Speaker 2: I just I didn't I didn't want to big dog anyone. 1175 00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,120 Speaker 2: I mean, not that you can when you're in that position, 1176 00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:49,879 Speaker 2: but I just, you know, I wanted to go through 1177 00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:53,080 Speaker 2: the process. I wanted to do it just like anyone else. 1178 00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:55,920 Speaker 2: And it was a it was a great experience. I 1179 00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,040 Speaker 2: mean it was It wasn't fun by any stretch of 1180 00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:00,920 Speaker 2: the imagination, but you know, it was a it was 1181 00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,160 Speaker 2: a good I think football it was a great preparation 1182 00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,600 Speaker 2: for a military life. I mean there's there's a lot 1183 00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:10,040 Speaker 2: of symbiosis there. You know, at the University of Tennessee 1184 00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:13,920 Speaker 2: and Knoxville there, big Stadium is named after General Neeland, 1185 00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,920 Speaker 2: who is a former uh you know, Army general, you know, 1186 00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:21,000 Speaker 2: who then became a longtime coach of the Tennessee football program. 1187 00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:24,000 Speaker 2: And you know, Douglas MacArthur obviously was a lifelong supporter 1188 00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,880 Speaker 2: of the of the West Point football program. And you know, 1189 00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:28,880 Speaker 2: there's just a lot of there's a lot of crossover 1190 00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:32,600 Speaker 2: there between football and the military. And you know, I 1191 00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:36,000 Speaker 2: was I was well prepared for for the rigors of 1192 00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,560 Speaker 2: a military life, except maybe ranger school. I mean, as 1193 00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:40,120 Speaker 2: you know, like no one can really prepare. 1194 00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:40,200 Speaker 1: You for that. 1195 00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,200 Speaker 2: But but you know I was. I went in What 1196 00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:45,760 Speaker 2: what I will say is, I went in with the 1197 00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,440 Speaker 2: right mentality that you know, I'm I'm I'm humbling myself. 1198 00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:55,000 Speaker 2: I'm i'm I'm becoming, I'm I'm engaging, I'm accepting this 1199 00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:58,800 Speaker 2: process whatever it is. And and I you know, I 1200 00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:00,960 Speaker 2: look back, I have no regrets. 1201 00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,959 Speaker 1: People people often ask me, like young young soldiers prior 1202 00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:06,880 Speaker 1: to going to Ranger school, like what's the secret, And 1203 00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, just don't quit. It's really it's just that simple. 1204 00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:11,760 Speaker 1: I mean, there are gonna be a million times where 1205 00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:14,560 Speaker 1: your mind is like screw this, Like you don't actually 1206 00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,160 Speaker 1: have to go back to your unit with a ranger tab. 1207 00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,280 Speaker 1: I'm sure they'll just give you a platune anyway. Your 1208 00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:23,520 Speaker 1: mind plays crazy tricks on you in that way. But yeah, 1209 00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,880 Speaker 1: just to hear the mindset that you went into ranger 1210 00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:31,040 Speaker 1: school with is really uh man, that's spot on. Just 1211 00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,439 Speaker 1: accept the process for what it is, know that it's 1212 00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:37,280 Speaker 1: gonna suck. Just commit yourself to not quitting. 1213 00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,680 Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, And yeah, I did a after I got 1214 00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:42,760 Speaker 2: done with the Ranger School, I wrote up this like 1215 00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:44,800 Speaker 2: Ranger School guide that I that I gave to a 1216 00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,080 Speaker 2: few people, and I did a podcast on what Ranger 1217 00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,640 Speaker 2: School is like, and I just it's exactly what you said. 1218 00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:52,440 Speaker 2: I mean, Ranger school sucks. You just you just got 1219 00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,800 Speaker 2: to accept that simple fact that hey, this is, you know, 1220 00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,440 Speaker 2: for forever, however long you're here. You know, it's just 1221 00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,520 Speaker 2: gonna suck. It's not You're not gonna die, It's not 1222 00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,080 Speaker 2: gonna be you know, it's it's it's gonna end one day. 1223 00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,640 Speaker 2: But if you have the right mentality that you know, hey, 1224 00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:08,760 Speaker 2: like when I you know, when I cross over this 1225 00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:11,960 Speaker 2: threshold here and and you know, start standing on the rocks, 1226 00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,120 Speaker 2: you know, at fourth r TV, you know, wherever, it 1227 00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:20,760 Speaker 2: is like I'm not leaving this place unless I'm dead 1228 00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:24,440 Speaker 2: or have a tab exactly. And that's really you know, 1229 00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:26,960 Speaker 2: like if if you go into with that mentality, you're 1230 00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:28,720 Speaker 2: you're probably gonna do all right. And you know, I've 1231 00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:32,760 Speaker 2: got a buddy in Texas. You know, he recycled. He 1232 00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,600 Speaker 2: recycled every phase. I mean he spent like six months 1233 00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,600 Speaker 2: in school. I mean, you know with with with best Ranger. 1234 00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,560 Speaker 2: I mean he was there for like God, but like 1235 00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,560 Speaker 2: he just but but you know, we were laughing, and 1236 00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,080 Speaker 2: you know, you you understand it, like when you have 1237 00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:48,520 Speaker 2: the mentality like hey, man, like you know, I'm not leaving, 1238 00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:51,000 Speaker 2: you know, I'm just I'm not leaving without a tab. 1239 00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:52,960 Speaker 1: You know. 1240 00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,040 Speaker 2: It's it's not fun to be there for six months, 1241 00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,240 Speaker 2: but like you're You're just you're not gonna leave until 1242 00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:57,840 Speaker 2: you graduate. 1243 00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:01,120 Speaker 1: It's so true. I mean, and for again, just so 1244 01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:04,360 Speaker 1: people understand. Like the Best Ranger competition, I can't quite 1245 01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,600 Speaker 1: remember what was that happened in April or something in April. Yeah, 1246 01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:11,000 Speaker 1: so like, yeah, so I was class initially, I was classified. 1247 01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:12,840 Speaker 1: I started Ranger school in February. I think it was 1248 01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,360 Speaker 1: class four oh five. I graduated class five oh five. 1249 01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:19,520 Speaker 1: I can't quite remember one of those two, but yeah, 1250 01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:23,920 Speaker 1: I had I recycled my first phase. I recycled into Darby, 1251 01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,560 Speaker 1: so I didn't I wasn't a day one recycle, so 1252 01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:28,280 Speaker 1: I got to do the patrols over. But I knew 1253 01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:30,280 Speaker 1: that if I failed that next go around, I'd be 1254 01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,040 Speaker 1: stuck in limbo while Best Ranger was going on for 1255 01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:35,800 Speaker 1: like three weeks where you're just doing nothing but painting 1256 01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,840 Speaker 1: rocks black and gold and like raking leaves in the wood, 1257 01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:42,000 Speaker 1: doing every shit detail that there is around Fort Benning, 1258 01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:45,160 Speaker 1: moving sand, bags from here to there. Yeah, and so 1259 01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,520 Speaker 1: I went into Ranger School. I was six one, two 1260 01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:50,840 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five pounds, running six minute miles. I 1261 01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:52,800 Speaker 1: left that school one hundred and sixty pounds. 1262 01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:53,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1263 01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:54,480 Speaker 1: I mean it's brutal. 1264 01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,520 Speaker 2: It's brutal. Yeah. I went in like two forty two 1265 01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:01,840 Speaker 2: and came out right at two hundred. My mom cried 1266 01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:05,920 Speaker 2: when she saw me at Victory Pond. I tried to 1267 01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:07,080 Speaker 2: warn her. I was like, hey, you know, I don't 1268 01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:08,040 Speaker 2: look very good right now. 1269 01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:11,000 Speaker 1: He don't, You don't. 1270 01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:14,080 Speaker 2: I mean it's crazy, yeah, crazy, but you know, but 1271 01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:16,600 Speaker 2: you know that was I mean, I'll put that experience 1272 01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:18,240 Speaker 2: up with anything else. I mean, just that sense of 1273 01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:21,040 Speaker 2: accomplishment and just knowing that you know, like like you know, 1274 01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:22,800 Speaker 2: getting your tab doesn't make you some kind of a 1275 01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,560 Speaker 2: super soldier, but you know, at least your your soldiers 1276 01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,160 Speaker 2: and your platoon. Know, hey, like this guy at the 1277 01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,880 Speaker 2: very at the bare minimum, like he did something that 1278 01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,840 Speaker 2: was really challenging. You know, he he had what it 1279 01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:37,040 Speaker 2: took to get through that process. You know, he's got 1280 01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:39,960 Speaker 2: some leadership ability, he's got some skills, he's got some toughness, 1281 01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:42,400 Speaker 2: and that's you know, that's really, you know, that's what 1282 01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:44,120 Speaker 2: that meant. I was. I was very proud to do that. 1283 01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:45,080 Speaker 2: I'm sure you were too. 1284 01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:48,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I yeah, and you're right. It doesn't make 1285 01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:49,600 Speaker 1: you a super soldier, but it just gives you a 1286 01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:52,480 Speaker 1: sense like, hey, I did it. You know, I committed 1287 01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,600 Speaker 1: myself to this. It sucked real bad, but I did it. 1288 01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:57,480 Speaker 1: And then yeah, I ended up going to my unit. 1289 01:01:57,480 --> 01:01:58,840 Speaker 1: I was up at the tenth Mountain Division. But you 1290 01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:00,440 Speaker 1: go to one hundred and first Airborn and you take 1291 01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:02,640 Speaker 1: an infantry platoon Like, I don't want to keep you 1292 01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:04,560 Speaker 1: for too long, Jake, because I only said it would 1293 01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:07,200 Speaker 1: be like about an hour. But what the hell? You 1294 01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:11,720 Speaker 1: go from NFL athlete to bottom of the bottom as 1295 01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:14,720 Speaker 1: a basic trainee and then o CS and then you're 1296 01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:18,040 Speaker 1: just ranger, you're a ranger candidate, and then you go 1297 01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:21,760 Speaker 1: to being a platoon leader. Again, what leadership lessons did 1298 01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:24,160 Speaker 1: you learn as a Division one college athlete and then 1299 01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:28,560 Speaker 1: professional athlete on the Patriots? Then Patriot way? Did that 1300 01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:32,080 Speaker 1: make its way into your infant infratrure patun in any way? 1301 01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:35,120 Speaker 2: Yeah? For sure. I mean I'll tell you a funny story, 1302 01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:37,360 Speaker 2: you know, when I when I got to my unit 1303 01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:40,160 Speaker 2: and I got to my platoon. You know, I wanted 1304 01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:42,320 Speaker 2: to I wanted to be as low key as possible, 1305 01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:44,400 Speaker 2: you know, just just like my mentality. I didn't want 1306 01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:47,440 Speaker 2: to be like the former NFL guy and like, you know, 1307 01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,440 Speaker 2: I wanted to be you know, just hey, like I 1308 01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:51,480 Speaker 2: wanted to be Lieutenant Beckett. I wanted to be a 1309 01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:53,760 Speaker 2: good pl you know. I wanted to do my job 1310 01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:57,600 Speaker 2: and train train the men. And you know, we were 1311 01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:00,280 Speaker 2: we just got back from a deployment, you know, I 1312 01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:03,200 Speaker 2: deployed to Iraq and then came back and it was 1313 01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:07,600 Speaker 2: really funny. So we had just gotten back and if 1314 01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:11,040 Speaker 2: you like ESPN, Tim Tebow did this thing with ESPN 1315 01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:14,280 Speaker 2: every year where it was like a Salute to Service 1316 01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:17,480 Speaker 2: thing every Veterans Day. And what they would do for 1317 01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:19,760 Speaker 2: the Salute to Service special is they would go to 1318 01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:23,400 Speaker 2: a military installation, you know, like an Army base or 1319 01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:24,800 Speaker 2: a Marine Corps base, or I think they went to 1320 01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,080 Speaker 2: like an aircraft carrier one time, and he would just 1321 01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:30,160 Speaker 2: like you know, Tim would kind of go through some 1322 01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,040 Speaker 2: of the training and like talk to some of the 1323 01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:34,280 Speaker 2: soldiers and if you talked to the to the base 1324 01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:38,080 Speaker 2: commander or whatever, and you know, I didn't even know this, 1325 01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,680 Speaker 2: but like when I was in Iraq, they the ESPN 1326 01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:43,120 Speaker 2: people had selected the one hundred and first Airborne for 1327 01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:46,440 Speaker 2: nineteen and you know, Tim and I were teammates with 1328 01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:51,320 Speaker 2: the Patriots, and Tim starts talking to the producers at 1329 01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:54,320 Speaker 2: ESPN said hey, like, I've got a former teammate who's 1330 01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,240 Speaker 2: with one hundred and first, Like, let's you know, let's 1331 01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:58,960 Speaker 2: let's uh, let's let's get him and make him a 1332 01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,520 Speaker 2: part of the part of the prom And so, you know, 1333 01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:04,320 Speaker 2: I get a call one morning, you know, for my 1334 01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:06,680 Speaker 2: battalion commander and for all your listeners, you know, like 1335 01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:08,520 Speaker 2: you never want to get a call from your battalion command. 1336 01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:12,280 Speaker 2: And he called me on my cell phone and said, hey, 1337 01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:15,520 Speaker 2: Lieutenant Beckett, like, you know, reports my office immediately. So 1338 01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:18,080 Speaker 2: of course, like you know, I'm thinking, you know, something 1339 01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:20,560 Speaker 2: horrible has gone on. And he's like, hey, you know, 1340 01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:24,240 Speaker 2: the the the CG that the two star general, the 1341 01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:26,520 Speaker 2: commander of the one hundred and first Airborne Division is. 1342 01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:30,120 Speaker 2: You know, you're you're requested to go meet with him today? 1343 01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:33,360 Speaker 2: Said like what? And so I scramble up to the 1344 01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:37,480 Speaker 2: base headquarters and I'm met by the public affairs officer 1345 01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:41,520 Speaker 2: for division and he's like, hey, tomorrow morning, zero eight hundred, 1346 01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:45,960 Speaker 2: you've got an interview with Tim Tebow. And so, long 1347 01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,840 Speaker 2: story short, we do this interview and they wanted it 1348 01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:52,440 Speaker 2: wasn't just to sit down with Tim. They wanted to 1349 01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:57,280 Speaker 2: film me doing PTE with my unit. So so so yeah, 1350 01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:59,400 Speaker 2: like you see where this is going. Like I'm trying 1351 01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:02,720 Speaker 2: to be like the no nonsense like like like you know, 1352 01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:06,880 Speaker 2: forget about the football career. People were here to work. 1353 01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:10,120 Speaker 2: And like my first week doing pt with the unit, 1354 01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:14,400 Speaker 2: I've got an ESBN camera crew following me, you know, 1355 01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:19,320 Speaker 2: doing like you know, sprint intervals with my platoon, you know, 1356 01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:21,960 Speaker 2: right there at Fort Campbell. So you know, my whole 1357 01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:24,320 Speaker 2: uh you know, mission to be like under the radar 1358 01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:26,560 Speaker 2: was kind of went up in flames. But you know 1359 01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:29,640 Speaker 2: I did, like I had some good uh some good 1360 01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:33,760 Speaker 2: lessons from from the Patriots, and you know, I kind 1361 01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,360 Speaker 2: of taught my platoon the Patriot way. You know, the 1362 01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:40,280 Speaker 2: four rules of the team. You know, Belichick had to 1363 01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:42,479 Speaker 2: sign on the door. You know, when you come here, 1364 01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:46,080 Speaker 2: do your job, work hard, be attentive, put the team first. 1365 01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:48,240 Speaker 2: And you know those are the four lessons I gave 1366 01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:50,240 Speaker 2: in my platoon. I mean, those are good lessons for anyone. 1367 01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:54,000 Speaker 2: I mean, do your job, work hard, be attentive, put 1368 01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,960 Speaker 2: the team first, Put the platoon first. And you know, 1369 01:05:57,160 --> 01:06:00,480 Speaker 2: like that was my direction to my squad leaders. That's 1370 01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:04,280 Speaker 2: how they trained their fire teams. You know. It's again 1371 01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:06,280 Speaker 2: like you kind of I learned some lessons from the 1372 01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:08,960 Speaker 2: University of Arkansas. Like you know, sometimes you gotta you know, 1373 01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:11,560 Speaker 2: scramble some eggs, you to get people, you know, bad 1374 01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:13,920 Speaker 2: apples out of your organization to make sure everything's going 1375 01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:16,920 Speaker 2: in the right direction. But you know, again it was 1376 01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:20,880 Speaker 2: the football life was a good preparation for you know, 1377 01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:23,160 Speaker 2: leading a rifle platoon. And you know, I had a 1378 01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:24,760 Speaker 2: really I had a really great experience. 1379 01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:29,920 Speaker 1: Man, that's unbelievable, Jake. I mean, I mean I had 1380 01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:33,800 Speaker 1: a lot of fellow platoon leaders who were with me 1381 01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:36,400 Speaker 1: who ended up commanding in the hundred and first Airborne 1382 01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:39,160 Speaker 1: probably around the time that you were there. When I 1383 01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:42,920 Speaker 1: was a captain, I think I was an executive officer. 1384 01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:45,040 Speaker 1: I was a senior cap something like that. We had 1385 01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:48,480 Speaker 1: Villanueva who came into my unit, and I remember we 1386 01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:50,720 Speaker 1: remember thinking, like some of the senior captains in my 1387 01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:52,520 Speaker 1: in my battalion were like, how the hell is this 1388 01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:54,680 Speaker 1: guy gonna fit in a hum V? You must have 1389 01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,240 Speaker 1: thought the same, damn think about you. You're not getting 1390 01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:59,040 Speaker 1: shot up? How do you getting how do you fit in? 1391 01:06:59,040 --> 01:06:59,320 Speaker 2: And up? 1392 01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:00,400 Speaker 1: Armored? Yeah? 1393 01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:03,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, for real, I mean it's uh the military they 1394 01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:04,920 Speaker 2: don't have me in mind, and they know. 1395 01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:07,280 Speaker 1: I mean, plus, you got all the gear on. Man, 1396 01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:09,440 Speaker 1: you got your ib A on, You've got I mean, 1397 01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:11,360 Speaker 1: how do you how do you even make that work? 1398 01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:13,680 Speaker 1: You're in the light infantry, so I mean but you're 1399 01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:14,680 Speaker 1: mounted all the time. 1400 01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:17,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was miserable. I mean that the uh sixties obviously, 1401 01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:20,520 Speaker 2: those seats are tiny, and you know you've got yeah, 1402 01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:22,800 Speaker 2: I mean the the humbies, the gun trucks were awful. 1403 01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:24,880 Speaker 2: But you know, it is what it is. I mean 1404 01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:28,000 Speaker 2: you uh if if, yeah, if Villanowava could do it, 1405 01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:29,560 Speaker 2: I mean I think he was like six eight is 1406 01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:32,760 Speaker 2: like six' eight. I'm only about six five, So you 1407 01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:34,880 Speaker 2: know it was it was. It was doable, but it 1408 01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:35,640 Speaker 2: wasn't very pleasant. 1409 01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:37,880 Speaker 1: You probably had private Hey, if we we end up 1410 01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:41,480 Speaker 1: getting ambush high behind the LT, he's yeah, exactly, I'll 1411 01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:44,840 Speaker 1: be the bullet catcher. You know, so, like you go 1412 01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:46,800 Speaker 1: from being a light infantry pl twen there. So how 1413 01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:48,800 Speaker 1: do you you get out? You get out out for 1414 01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:49,680 Speaker 1: four years or what? 1415 01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:53,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I got out a from my initial contract. It 1416 01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:56,240 Speaker 2: was just under four years. You know, I was at 1417 01:07:56,240 --> 01:08:01,000 Speaker 2: that you know, inflection point where you know, I had 1418 01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:03,680 Speaker 2: I I really had a good initial run. I mean 1419 01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:06,840 Speaker 2: I got the schools that I wanted, I got to deploy, 1420 01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:11,400 Speaker 2: which was pretty rare you know during my time, and 1421 01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:14,360 Speaker 2: you know, I had a good training cycle at home station. 1422 01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:17,639 Speaker 2: And you know, really what really motivated me to get 1423 01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:21,920 Speaker 2: out was you know, the events of twenty twenty. I 1424 01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:25,640 Speaker 2: mean just everything that was happening in the country. You know, 1425 01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:28,760 Speaker 2: I just I really felt called to get involved at 1426 01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:33,040 Speaker 2: the political level. And you know, nothing against anyone who 1427 01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:35,080 Speaker 2: decided to stay in. And you know, I've still got 1428 01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:37,160 Speaker 2: some very good friends who went to the Captain's Career 1429 01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:39,879 Speaker 2: course or you know, went to went to arrange a regimen, 1430 01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:41,880 Speaker 2: or you know, I've got a guy who just made 1431 01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:44,519 Speaker 2: it through selection, and I mean, like like really great 1432 01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:46,800 Speaker 2: friends of mine. But you know, I just I felt 1433 01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:49,320 Speaker 2: my calling was was within the political arena. 1434 01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:53,760 Speaker 1: I I I agree with you. I mean obviously that process. 1435 01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:56,519 Speaker 1: I mean, I got out in twenty ten, didn't run 1436 01:08:56,560 --> 01:09:00,240 Speaker 1: for office until twenty and twenty. But two thousand in 1437 01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:04,599 Speaker 1: twenty was a strange year, you know. They and I'll 1438 01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:07,920 Speaker 1: tell you this, like the Democrats absolutely, and we'll get 1439 01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:09,400 Speaker 1: into that. I mean, I don't want to drag this 1440 01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:11,120 Speaker 1: out too long for you, but I definitely want to 1441 01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:15,200 Speaker 1: talk about your Senate run because you were an incredible candidate. 1442 01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:18,040 Speaker 1: I mean, one of the things that I realized very 1443 01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:21,040 Speaker 1: early on when I was running is a politics campaigning, 1444 01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:24,639 Speaker 1: meeting the people. It's it's the best thing in the world. 1445 01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:28,040 Speaker 1: I loved that part of it, but so much of 1446 01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:32,000 Speaker 1: it is like, you know, seventh eighth grade middle school bullshit, 1447 01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:35,240 Speaker 1: like where you're getting attacked on things. It's like, wait, 1448 01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:37,200 Speaker 1: I've been a public figure for ten years, and now 1449 01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:39,360 Speaker 1: you're attacking me on this, Like what are we in 1450 01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:42,840 Speaker 1: junior high? You know. And I know that you had 1451 01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,920 Speaker 1: to have had similar experiences, but to hear you say 1452 01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:48,160 Speaker 1: that twenty twenty was sort of an inflection point for you, 1453 01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:53,960 Speaker 1: it doesn't surprise me because it was I looked. I mean, god, 1454 01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:58,120 Speaker 1: it wasn't that long ago, Jake, But that was a very, very, 1455 01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:01,799 Speaker 1: very strange year. Things I feel like have just gotten 1456 01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:03,360 Speaker 1: progressively worse since then. 1457 01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:07,120 Speaker 2: No, I truly believe, and not to be overly dramatic, 1458 01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:10,000 Speaker 2: but I think twenty twenty was a turning point year 1459 01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:12,559 Speaker 2: for our country in a lot of ways that the 1460 01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:17,639 Speaker 2: social contract was was broken irreparably. I mean even in 1461 01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:21,719 Speaker 2: red states, in places like Arkansas, you know we had 1462 01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:26,280 Speaker 2: you know, casinos and strip clubs and liquor stores were open, 1463 01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:32,439 Speaker 2: but you know, churches and schools and businesses were closed. 1464 01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:35,400 Speaker 2: And you know that like like that's the kind of 1465 01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:37,880 Speaker 2: thing you know that people people want to just kind 1466 01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:39,599 Speaker 2: of forgive and forget. You got people like Fauci out 1467 01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:41,200 Speaker 2: there who were saying, oh, you know, we just got 1468 01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:43,120 Speaker 2: to let buy guns be buy guns. Like no, we 1469 01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:47,559 Speaker 2: haven't even addressed, like we hadn't even begun to address 1470 01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:50,120 Speaker 2: what happened. And you know that's that's the subject for 1471 01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:53,880 Speaker 2: a different podcast probably, but you know that that that's 1472 01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,599 Speaker 2: what that's what really motive motivated me to get involved, 1473 01:10:56,640 --> 01:11:00,799 Speaker 2: is because clearly our political leaders are feeling they especially 1474 01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:03,240 Speaker 2: on the geop side, in my opinion, in these deep 1475 01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:06,759 Speaker 2: read areas, they were totally unequipped to meet the moment 1476 01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:11,160 Speaker 2: I mean, for for a lot of recent American history. Unfortunately, 1477 01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:15,400 Speaker 2: we have outsourced political leadership and all republic to people 1478 01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:19,080 Speaker 2: who are just not equipped for for bold and courageous leadership. 1479 01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:21,760 Speaker 2: You know, they're just kind of middle managers. And you know, 1480 01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:24,760 Speaker 2: that's fine when things are on the glidepath and you know, 1481 01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:28,320 Speaker 2: we're the last industrial power standing after the destruction of 1482 01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:31,559 Speaker 2: World War two. Yeah, I mean, anyone could run America 1483 01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:34,160 Speaker 2: and things would be fine. But those days have passed, 1484 01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:36,320 Speaker 2: and now we're at a point where we need great leadership, 1485 01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:38,760 Speaker 2: and we have people who are in power who are 1486 01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:44,360 Speaker 2: totally unequipped just constitutionally for what's necessary. And so, you know, 1487 01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:48,280 Speaker 2: it's it has been good to see, you know, people 1488 01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:51,160 Speaker 2: who kind of have that leadership gene if if if 1489 01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:54,520 Speaker 2: you will, you know, striving to get involved in politics. 1490 01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:57,800 Speaker 2: It's really hard to break into that as as you know, 1491 01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:00,880 Speaker 2: you and I know and other great candidates across the 1492 01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:03,479 Speaker 2: country who were you know, unsuccessful in the past couple 1493 01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:06,800 Speaker 2: of cycles. You know, hopefully there'll be other opportunities for 1494 01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:09,360 Speaker 2: other good people to run the future. But you know, 1495 01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:12,880 Speaker 2: these these people, these politicians, the career political class, and 1496 01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:15,800 Speaker 2: the consultants and the media and everything that's kind of 1497 01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:18,400 Speaker 2: in conservative inc As we call it. You know, they're 1498 01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:20,920 Speaker 2: not gonna let go easily. This is their life's work. 1499 01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:25,320 Speaker 2: I mean they've built up these institutions to enrich themselves, 1500 01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:28,479 Speaker 2: to give themselves self esteem, kind of a you know, 1501 01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:30,400 Speaker 2: a semblance of meaning. You know, these are you know, 1502 01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:32,320 Speaker 2: the kind of the people who I call the nerds, 1503 01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:35,240 Speaker 2: you know, the people who were getting stuffed in lockers 1504 01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:37,880 Speaker 2: in high school. You know, this is this, you know, 1505 01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:40,519 Speaker 2: this is their thing, like politics is their thing. You know, 1506 01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:42,080 Speaker 2: this is kind of a it's a revenge of the 1507 01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:45,679 Speaker 2: nerds situation, and they're not going to let the real leaders, 1508 01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:48,519 Speaker 2: you know, take away what they think is rightfully theirs. 1509 01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:50,559 Speaker 2: So it's gonna mean, it's gonna be hard. I mean 1510 01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:52,200 Speaker 2: that was you know, one of the one of the 1511 01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:54,840 Speaker 2: benefits I think of of Trump, you know, getting involved 1512 01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:57,240 Speaker 2: and obviously winning in twenty sixteen, was he kind of 1513 01:12:57,320 --> 01:13:00,000 Speaker 2: changed that dynamic at the national level. But we've got 1514 01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:02,760 Speaker 2: we've got to change that dynamic at every level of 1515 01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:07,240 Speaker 2: politics local, uh, district wide and statewide. 1516 01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:07,559 Speaker 1: You know. 1517 01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:10,920 Speaker 2: So it's it's a it's an ongoing process. It's it's 1518 01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:14,240 Speaker 2: gonna be a brutal, brutal process. It already has been. 1519 01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:19,120 Speaker 2: You know, it's it's it's it's hard sometimes to stay 1520 01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:22,800 Speaker 2: optimistic about it. But you know, we're I firmly believe 1521 01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:26,000 Speaker 2: that God put us here in this time, uh, in 1522 01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:29,920 Speaker 2: these circumstances for a reason. And you know it might 1523 01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:32,400 Speaker 2: have to get worse before it gets better. But you know, 1524 01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:34,880 Speaker 2: I'm I've made a commitment. I'm gonna stay engaged in 1525 01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:37,960 Speaker 2: this fight. I know you will too, because we need 1526 01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:40,280 Speaker 2: we need good people. You know, it's it's revival or 1527 01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:41,240 Speaker 2: bust in America. 1528 01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:44,120 Speaker 1: It is revival or bust. I think you're one hundred 1529 01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:47,080 Speaker 1: percent right. And and you know, there there are some 1530 01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:53,920 Speaker 1: leaders in Washington on our side, some few, but leadership 1531 01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:57,080 Speaker 1: in today's day and age in Washington, d C. Is 1532 01:13:57,200 --> 01:14:00,639 Speaker 1: few and far between. And what I've seen people who 1533 01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:03,280 Speaker 1: hem and hall and test the political wins prior to 1534 01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:08,640 Speaker 1: making a decision. And I lament that fact because you know, 1535 01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:10,920 Speaker 1: you have consultants who say, well, don't take this position, 1536 01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:14,439 Speaker 1: don't speak, especially like at the tail end of twenty twenty, 1537 01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:17,000 Speaker 1: going into the twenty twenty two cycle, I talked about 1538 01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:19,840 Speaker 1: you know, I went after Fauci a lot and some 1539 01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:22,040 Speaker 1: people were like, oh, I shouldn't do that. Most Americans 1540 01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:24,720 Speaker 1: like him. I'm like, no, he's a crook. He ate 1541 01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:27,000 Speaker 1: it and embedded people who locked this nation down. As 1542 01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:29,800 Speaker 1: a candidate in twenty twenty, I had people calling me 1543 01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:33,840 Speaker 1: every day, Jake, I'm losing everything. I can't go talk 1544 01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:36,439 Speaker 1: to my loved one who's dying alone. My father is 1545 01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:38,280 Speaker 1: trapped in a nursing home and there's nothing that I 1546 01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:40,640 Speaker 1: can do. My business is bankrupt and there's nothing I 1547 01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:44,200 Speaker 1: can do. Every single day I watched the people of 1548 01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:46,880 Speaker 1: my state go through that, while I had people saying, 1549 01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:49,280 Speaker 1: don't go after fa He's the one responsible. And you 1550 01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:50,600 Speaker 1: know why I am going to talk about it is 1551 01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:52,720 Speaker 1: because I trusted my ability to go out there on 1552 01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:56,080 Speaker 1: a soapbox in town square and sway public sentiment. But 1553 01:14:56,240 --> 01:15:00,680 Speaker 1: that right there, Jake, that is that I know that 1554 01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:03,479 Speaker 1: you have. That you know, but there are so many 1555 01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:07,600 Speaker 1: politicians that are afraid to take stances that require the 1556 01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:10,439 Speaker 1: ability to sway public sentiment one way or the other. 1557 01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:13,840 Speaker 1: And as a conservative, it's really difficult because you have 1558 01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:18,320 Speaker 1: the entire media industrial complex standing against you that just 1559 01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:21,320 Speaker 1: do nothing but lie as a matter of routine. In 1560 01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:24,439 Speaker 1: service of whatever political goals that they have. You have 1561 01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:28,679 Speaker 1: Hollywood who is completely stacked against you, you have almost 1562 01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:32,599 Speaker 1: the entire education system completely stacked against you. But that's 1563 01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:35,480 Speaker 1: why this moment that you're talking about, I think requires 1564 01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:39,320 Speaker 1: such a unique style of leadership, one that you, Jake, 1565 01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:42,120 Speaker 1: are well equipped to handle well. 1566 01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:46,599 Speaker 2: I appreciate that. I think you're exactly right, because it's 1567 01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:50,760 Speaker 2: one thing that unites you know, the left and the 1568 01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:53,760 Speaker 2: phony right in DC, you know what we call the uniparty. 1569 01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:57,080 Speaker 2: You know, one thing that unites them is defeating outsiders, 1570 01:15:57,240 --> 01:16:00,280 Speaker 2: you know, defeating people who are actually going to speak 1571 01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:03,280 Speaker 2: the truth, you know, as you were against Fauci when 1572 01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:06,200 Speaker 2: it wasn't popular. Of course that's popped through now. But 1573 01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:09,600 Speaker 2: you know there's in politics, there's no point bonus points 1574 01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:12,080 Speaker 2: for being early, for being right early. I mean, ask 1575 01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:15,760 Speaker 2: ask ask Pat Buchanan. You know Pat Buchanan. I mean, 1576 01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:18,920 Speaker 2: if you haven't read any of Pat Buchanan's works, you know, 1577 01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:21,240 Speaker 2: your listeners, you know, you know, go read some of 1578 01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:23,080 Speaker 2: his stuff. I mean, he ran for president in nineteen 1579 01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:27,400 Speaker 2: ninety two basically on the platform of everything that you're 1580 01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:31,200 Speaker 2: hearing today, and just because he was right twenty five 1581 01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:34,760 Speaker 2: thirty years ago. You know, it doesn't mean it doesn't 1582 01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:36,280 Speaker 2: make a hill of beans of a difference. You know, 1583 01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:39,400 Speaker 2: it's you know, being right early doesn't matter at all. Actually, 1584 01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:42,160 Speaker 2: it makes you a villain. Villain Actually, it makes both 1585 01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:45,240 Speaker 2: sides of the political aisle unite against you because you're 1586 01:16:45,479 --> 01:16:48,960 Speaker 2: you're bad for business, and you know that's what we're 1587 01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:52,280 Speaker 2: fighting against. And I kind of use this metaphor to 1588 01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:54,160 Speaker 2: talk about, you know, kind of a football metaphor again, 1589 01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:56,600 Speaker 2: Like it was kind of funny when when if you 1590 01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:59,160 Speaker 2: notice after NFL games, if you're watching, like after the 1591 01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:01,840 Speaker 2: clock has run out, you'll see both teams kind of 1592 01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:04,880 Speaker 2: going onto the field to kind of slap hands and 1593 01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:07,040 Speaker 2: like take pictures. And you know, we used to get 1594 01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:09,679 Speaker 2: like some hate mail, uh and and stuff on social 1595 01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:12,280 Speaker 2: media from my fans who would be very upset to 1596 01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:15,519 Speaker 2: like see like the Patriots players like you know, kind 1597 01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:17,679 Speaker 2: of joking around after a game with like the Jets 1598 01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:20,759 Speaker 2: players because because the fans are like, wait a minute, 1599 01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:24,200 Speaker 2: like I hate the Jets, Why are you so chummy 1600 01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:27,559 Speaker 2: chummy with them? Well that's how politic, that's how DC is. 1601 01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:30,559 Speaker 2: You know, like there's this fake fight, you know, red 1602 01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:33,000 Speaker 2: team versus Blue team, and at the end of the day, 1603 01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:34,679 Speaker 2: at the end of the game, they're they're they're taking 1604 01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:38,120 Speaker 2: pictures on the field, and you know, we as as 1605 01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:39,759 Speaker 2: the people are the fans, are like, wait a minute, 1606 01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:42,920 Speaker 2: Like there's there's a real battle going on in our communities, 1607 01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:46,360 Speaker 2: but we've got this fake opposition, this fake that, just 1608 01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:49,799 Speaker 2: this noise that's happening in the media and in Washington, 1609 01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:53,519 Speaker 2: there's just there's very just very little, you know, real 1610 01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:56,679 Speaker 2: debate taking place. That's why I thought the battle over 1611 01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:59,760 Speaker 2: the speakership was one of the very few instances in 1612 01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:02,400 Speaker 2: the past ten years or so where you get to 1613 01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:06,040 Speaker 2: see real, real politics at the cutting edge happen in 1614 01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:09,040 Speaker 2: real time on the floor. There's a reason why in 1615 01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:12,439 Speaker 2: d C these politicians they want to minimize that as 1616 01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:14,920 Speaker 2: much as possible. They don't want open debate, you know, 1617 01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:17,760 Speaker 2: they don't want people to be exposed to parliamentary procedure 1618 01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:20,439 Speaker 2: and and and to hear these things actually discussed red, 1619 01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:23,439 Speaker 2: you know, a Democrat versus Republican. So you know, I 1620 01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:25,160 Speaker 2: say all that to say this is that, you know, 1621 01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:28,000 Speaker 2: we've got to find a way as as real leaders, 1622 01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:29,559 Speaker 2: as outsiders, we've got to find a way to cut 1623 01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:32,519 Speaker 2: through that noise. You know, I think, you know, these 1624 01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:34,840 Speaker 2: types of platforms, these podcasts are going to be a 1625 01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:36,679 Speaker 2: way to do it, to reach people where they are 1626 01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:39,840 Speaker 2: without going through the filter of people who are you know, 1627 01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:42,439 Speaker 2: their their interests are aligned. 1628 01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:44,040 Speaker 1: With the status quo. You know that. 1629 01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:45,840 Speaker 2: That's what a lot of folks don't understand about a 1630 01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:48,799 Speaker 2: lot of conservative media is that you know, they they're 1631 01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:52,679 Speaker 2: you know, their their bottom line is is predicated upon 1632 01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:56,840 Speaker 2: sustaining this system, you know, sustaining the uniparties, sustaining the 1633 01:18:56,880 --> 01:19:00,000 Speaker 2: fake fight, you know, politics for the sake of politics, 1634 01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:02,559 Speaker 2: Politics for the sake of who wins the election. Like 1635 01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:05,760 Speaker 2: if we don't win on policy, then these elections don't 1636 01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:08,599 Speaker 2: really matter at all. Like it's it's it's about moving 1637 01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:11,840 Speaker 2: the needle. You know, that's why I ran because you 1638 01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:13,479 Speaker 2: know that that's it's a it's a huge problem in 1639 01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:15,160 Speaker 2: these red states, you know, where you've got a lot 1640 01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:17,519 Speaker 2: of these politicians who are just I mean, they're they're 1641 01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:21,000 Speaker 2: worse in my opinion, than Democrats because you know, they're 1642 01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:23,800 Speaker 2: they're kind of controlled opposition, and they you know, they 1643 01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:27,120 Speaker 2: they because they're in safe red states and stafe red districts. 1644 01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:28,840 Speaker 2: They're never going to lose to a Democrat, so they 1645 01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:32,400 Speaker 2: can basically just act like democrats, you know. So it's 1646 01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:34,439 Speaker 2: a it's a it's a battle that we you know, 1647 01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:35,719 Speaker 2: is really just beginning. 1648 01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:36,960 Speaker 1: You know. 1649 01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:39,920 Speaker 2: We we've got to step back and realize that, you know, 1650 01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:43,200 Speaker 2: the left, the victories they're seeing right now are the 1651 01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:46,960 Speaker 2: result of a seventy five to one hundred year process 1652 01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:50,800 Speaker 2: of conquering American institutions, and you know, we've got to 1653 01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:52,519 Speaker 2: have the mindset. You know, I know a lot of 1654 01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:54,800 Speaker 2: people they want they want Caesar to ride on the 1655 01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:57,280 Speaker 2: white Horse, you know it. You know, hey, you know 1656 01:19:57,680 --> 01:20:00,479 Speaker 2: there might be some kind of a you know, shot 1657 01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:03,240 Speaker 2: in the dark candidate who comes down of nowhere. But really, 1658 01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:05,080 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, we have to build 1659 01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:07,960 Speaker 2: our own institutions, and we have to have our own 1660 01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:12,400 Speaker 2: seventy five to one hundred year process to rebuild and 1661 01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:15,599 Speaker 2: retake you know, this country or whatever is left of it. 1662 01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:18,240 Speaker 2: I mean, as a long answer, but I mean that's 1663 01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:20,639 Speaker 2: really kind of the way I see things in terms 1664 01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:22,960 Speaker 2: of the state of play. You know, I'm not gonna 1665 01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:24,960 Speaker 2: I'm not going to sugarcoat it. I'm not going to 1666 01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:27,000 Speaker 2: tell people what they want to hear. I'm not going 1667 01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:29,240 Speaker 2: to say that, you know, red wave twenty twenty four 1668 01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:31,679 Speaker 2: is gonna save us, because guess what you mean, red 1669 01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:35,400 Speaker 2: wave twenty ten, red wave twenty fourteen, you know, the 1670 01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:40,080 Speaker 2: Trump phenomenon twenty sixteen, save America twenty twenty like, it 1671 01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:42,960 Speaker 2: didn't work. So we've got to be honest with ourselves 1672 01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:45,599 Speaker 2: and we've got to take a step back and say, hey, 1673 01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:48,320 Speaker 2: what we're doing isn't working. You know, we keep investing 1674 01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:51,920 Speaker 2: all of our time, effort, energy, and money into this 1675 01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:55,080 Speaker 2: this same process that is not giving us good outcomes, 1676 01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:57,600 Speaker 2: and so we've got to start thinking about things in 1677 01:20:57,600 --> 01:20:59,080 Speaker 2: a different way, be more innovative. 1678 01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:00,599 Speaker 1: I completely they agree. 1679 01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:00,840 Speaker 2: You know. 1680 01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:03,960 Speaker 1: One of the things that I learned both my run 1681 01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:05,960 Speaker 1: for the House and for the Senate is the number 1682 01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:11,760 Speaker 1: one quality that Republican voters our base want in a 1683 01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:14,360 Speaker 1: candidate is their ability to fight and not back down 1684 01:21:14,479 --> 01:21:19,080 Speaker 1: on what their principles are and to truly represent them 1685 01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:21,080 Speaker 1: and be willing to stand on the parapet and take 1686 01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:24,639 Speaker 1: shots if need be, not ingratiate yourself with the media 1687 01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:27,920 Speaker 1: in the hopes that maybe someday you'll be a celebrity. 1688 01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:30,400 Speaker 1: They'll walk in on the red carpet at the met gala. No, 1689 01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:33,720 Speaker 1: screw that. If you're a Republican, if you're a conservative 1690 01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:35,760 Speaker 1: or somebody who believes in this country, the heart and 1691 01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:38,600 Speaker 1: soul of this country and the constitution, you have to 1692 01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:41,280 Speaker 1: be willing to fight like hell to save it. Because 1693 01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:44,760 Speaker 1: our opposition and when the Democrats talk or the radical left, 1694 01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:47,960 Speaker 1: time mean I come from a family of Union Democrats. 1695 01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:51,040 Speaker 1: The Democrat Party today ain't the party that they were 1696 01:21:51,240 --> 01:21:54,559 Speaker 1: fifty years ago, right, They're not. And so we have 1697 01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:57,400 Speaker 1: to be willing to fight and stand on the line 1698 01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:00,799 Speaker 1: and oppose people who want to fundamentally transfer form this country. 1699 01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:04,440 Speaker 1: And when I talk about and they talk about fundamental transformation, 1700 01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:07,800 Speaker 1: they mean tearing down what was well. I think, you know, 1701 01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:10,200 Speaker 1: he America. You know, maybe we have, you know, some 1702 01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:13,120 Speaker 1: spots where we can improve, you know what country doesn't. 1703 01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:15,559 Speaker 1: But there's a pretty damn great place to be. And 1704 01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:18,200 Speaker 1: anyone who's traveled around the world and see what other 1705 01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:21,439 Speaker 1: seeing what happens in other countries knows that America is 1706 01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:24,200 Speaker 1: the light in the world. And we have to continue 1707 01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:26,640 Speaker 1: to fight to protect this for our children and our 1708 01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:27,559 Speaker 1: children's children. 1709 01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:31,200 Speaker 2: I agree. I mean, as part of the campaign here 1710 01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:33,680 Speaker 2: in Arkansas, I got to know a couple of families 1711 01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:36,439 Speaker 2: and they were that they were families who you know, 1712 01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:41,280 Speaker 2: one family came to America from the country now it's Zimbabwe, 1713 01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:44,720 Speaker 2: then it was Rhodesia. And the other family, you know, 1714 01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:47,000 Speaker 2: came to America from Cuba, and you know, both of 1715 01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:50,400 Speaker 2: those countries were taken over by you know, hard left 1716 01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:54,880 Speaker 2: Marxist revolutions. And you know it that these people are 1717 01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:56,960 Speaker 2: just I mean, they'll tell anyone who will listen to 1718 01:22:57,000 --> 01:23:00,400 Speaker 2: them that what they're seeing here in the United States 1719 01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:02,840 Speaker 2: are you know, they're seeing some of the same harbingers 1720 01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:05,519 Speaker 2: of what they saw in their homeland. You know that 1721 01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:08,639 Speaker 2: was eventually, uh taken over and conquered to the point 1722 01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:11,080 Speaker 2: where it was unrecognizable and they had to flee for 1723 01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:13,559 Speaker 2: their lives. And you know, those are the stakes, and 1724 01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:15,880 Speaker 2: we have to we have to be honest with people. 1725 01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:18,360 Speaker 2: You know, we have to, as you said, we have 1726 01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:20,600 Speaker 2: to be able to stand up and stand there on 1727 01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:23,439 Speaker 2: the ramparts and speak the truth. You're exactly right. I mean, 1728 01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:27,160 Speaker 2: if you're if you're elected representatives, if you're a state governor, 1729 01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:30,800 Speaker 2: if your favorite political candidate, if he is not actively 1730 01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:35,720 Speaker 2: hated by every media institution, if he is not actively 1731 01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:39,439 Speaker 2: hated by the establishment in in the GOP or the 1732 01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:43,479 Speaker 2: establishment in UH in Washington and the Democrats. Like if 1733 01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:46,400 Speaker 2: if you're if that person is not just public enemy 1734 01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:48,639 Speaker 2: number one, then you know there might be a problem 1735 01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:51,360 Speaker 2: there because you know, as you and I both know 1736 01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:53,760 Speaker 2: from our you know, from our campaigns. You know, like 1737 01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:56,200 Speaker 2: you know that they they these these people the enemy 1738 01:23:56,240 --> 01:23:59,680 Speaker 2: that they they know real opposition when they see it. 1739 01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:01,960 Speaker 2: You know, Vladimir Lenin, you know, when he wrote about 1740 01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:06,800 Speaker 2: the Russian Revolution, the group that he persecuted first in 1741 01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:11,400 Speaker 2: Russia were the true believer Orthodox Christians. And the reason 1742 01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:14,840 Speaker 2: why he eliminated them first was because he knew that 1743 01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:17,760 Speaker 2: they had real devotion. He knew that their faith and 1744 01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:21,640 Speaker 2: their worldview and their fearlessness meant they couldn't be bribed, 1745 01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:24,360 Speaker 2: they wouldn't back down, they couldn't be bought off, they 1746 01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:28,840 Speaker 2: wouldn't go along with the Red cultural Revolution. And so 1747 01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:32,040 Speaker 2: like he saw the warning, he saw the danger signs 1748 01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:34,439 Speaker 2: from them. And so that's I take it as a compliment. 1749 01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:36,840 Speaker 2: You every time that I'm attacked, you know, during the 1750 01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:39,479 Speaker 2: campaign and social media, whatever it is, I wear that 1751 01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:41,599 Speaker 2: as a badge of honor because you know, the left 1752 01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:44,960 Speaker 2: and the establishment right, they know their enemy when they 1753 01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:47,880 Speaker 2: see him. And you know, to the people out there, 1754 01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:49,519 Speaker 2: you've got to follow people like that. 1755 01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:54,800 Speaker 1: Man Well said, I God, this country is lucky to 1756 01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:58,320 Speaker 1: have people like you, Jake. And you got to tell me, man, 1757 01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:02,160 Speaker 1: what's next for you? You've got your podcast, right, You've 1758 01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:05,400 Speaker 1: got your podcast. You're doing that. Now, what's what's the future? 1759 01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:08,800 Speaker 2: Hold? Yeah, I'm still here in Arkansas. You know, I 1760 01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:11,720 Speaker 2: love the state of Arkansas. This is my home. You know. 1761 01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:15,160 Speaker 2: I'm still engaged in the fight. I mean, the podcast 1762 01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:16,920 Speaker 2: has been great. I'm still doing a lot of media. 1763 01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:20,439 Speaker 2: I'm in the private sector here in Arkansas, you know, 1764 01:25:20,439 --> 01:25:22,720 Speaker 2: but I do want to stay in the fight politically. 1765 01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:26,280 Speaker 2: You know, whether you know, however that manifests itself in 1766 01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:29,640 Speaker 2: the future, we'll we'll see. But that the campaign was 1767 01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:32,320 Speaker 2: a it was a great experience. We were unsuccessful, but 1768 01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:35,439 Speaker 2: as you said, there really is nothing like going around 1769 01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:39,640 Speaker 2: and meeting, meeting people where they are and hearing their concerns. 1770 01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:42,879 Speaker 2: You know, people people who show up to political events, 1771 01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:45,599 Speaker 2: I mean, they they really care and we need more 1772 01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:48,000 Speaker 2: people who are motivated to do that. And I see 1773 01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:51,000 Speaker 2: that in churches. I see that in the community, you know, 1774 01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:54,120 Speaker 2: as if there is a silver lining to you know, 1775 01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:56,360 Speaker 2: the defeats we've had as a movement, it's that people 1776 01:25:56,360 --> 01:25:58,600 Speaker 2: are more engaged, that they see things going in the 1777 01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:02,840 Speaker 2: wrong direction. And so, you know, hopefully I'll have a 1778 01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:05,160 Speaker 2: role to play, uh, you know, in the in the 1779 01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:07,599 Speaker 2: fight to come, because there are fights to come. 1780 01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:11,160 Speaker 1: I totally agree, And I hope you're not counting out 1781 01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:13,360 Speaker 1: running for political office, whether it's for a house district 1782 01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:15,799 Speaker 1: or a statewide race. I don't know what that looks like. Obviously, 1783 01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:18,000 Speaker 1: have to assess the battlefield, and I know that's a long, 1784 01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:21,439 Speaker 1: lengthy process sometimes, but I will just say this. You 1785 01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:24,240 Speaker 1: were in a multi person primary against the Senate incumbent, 1786 01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:25,519 Speaker 1: and you did pretty damn well. 1787 01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:26,000 Speaker 2: I don't know. 1788 01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:28,320 Speaker 1: I mean, what the future holds if you get somebody 1789 01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:31,719 Speaker 1: one on one, you know, it could be an entirely 1790 01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:34,760 Speaker 1: different battlefield, Jake, in this country needs you, so so 1791 01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:37,360 Speaker 1: stay in the fight, my friend. I you and I 1792 01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:40,200 Speaker 1: John Jake. I hope we can do this again. Man 1793 01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:42,840 Speaker 1: like this. This was awesome, and I'm sorry that I 1794 01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:45,479 Speaker 1: kept you longer than I intended to. But there's so 1795 01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:48,200 Speaker 1: many questions, so many questions that I want to I want, 1796 01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:50,880 Speaker 1: I want, I still have to ask you. But where 1797 01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:52,080 Speaker 1: can people find you now? 1798 01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:59,080 Speaker 2: So follow my podcast, The Jake Beckett Show. We're on YouTube, Twitter, Spotify, 1799 01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:02,880 Speaker 2: Apple Podcast. I'm really excited. Mean, just last thing, I'm 1800 01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:06,000 Speaker 2: really excited about the changes on Twitter. You know, I'm 1801 01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:09,360 Speaker 2: starting to post my podcast in full feature length on Twitter. 1802 01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:11,280 Speaker 2: I really think that this is going to be a 1803 01:27:11,320 --> 01:27:14,040 Speaker 2: platform where, you know, those of us on the right 1804 01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:16,920 Speaker 2: are going to be, you know, if not uncensored, the 1805 01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:21,439 Speaker 2: least censored. But anywhere you find podcasts The Jake Beckett Show, 1806 01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:23,760 Speaker 2: I'm on Twitter at Jake beck at ninety one. That's 1807 01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:25,679 Speaker 2: where I spend most of my time on social media. 1808 01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:28,080 Speaker 2: So the Jake Beckett Show and at Jake beck At 1809 01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:29,439 Speaker 2: ninety one is where you can follow me. 1810 01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:32,320 Speaker 1: Awesome, Jake. Hopefully you can come back on and we 1811 01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:34,760 Speaker 1: can continue to solve all the problems of the world. 1812 01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:37,240 Speaker 1: Just two knuckle draggers solve in America's problems. 1813 01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:40,040 Speaker 2: We'll do it, maybe two two eleven series Guys Saving 1814 01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:40,439 Speaker 2: the World. 1815 01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:44,960 Speaker 1: That's a podcast in and of itself, right there, brother, 1816 01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:47,280 Speaker 1: But thank you for thanks for coming on, Jake and 1817 01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:47,920 Speaker 1: We'll talk to. 1818 01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:49,400 Speaker 2: You soon, brother, anytime. Sean. 1819 01:27:49,439 --> 01:27:52,640 Speaker 1: God bless all right, everybody, that's it. Thank you for 1820 01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:56,760 Speaker 1: listening to Battleground Podcast, where we never retreat and we 1821 01:27:56,880 --> 01:28:01,320 Speaker 1: never surrender. Remember to subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts, 1822 01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:04,080 Speaker 1: and also follow us on YouTube and Rubbles. Subscribe there 1823 01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:07,120 Speaker 1: as well. There'll be bonus content there. We're building out 1824 01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:10,400 Speaker 1: those channels as we speak. Don't forget to check out 1825 01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:14,759 Speaker 1: a Battleground Apparel for top quality patriotic clothing at Official 1826 01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:18,080 Speaker 1: Seanparnell dot com. Let you show your pride in America 1827 01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:22,479 Speaker 1: and together, let's continue to fight for our country and 1828 01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:26,360 Speaker 1: never back down. God bless you all. 1829 01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:27,400 Speaker 2: Thank you for listening. 1830 01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:32,160 Speaker 1: God bless this exceptional nation that we call home. Take 1831 01:28:32,200 --> 01:29:00,280 Speaker 1: care of h