1 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to Talking Politics with me, your host se Cup. 2 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 2: Before we get. 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: To it, I've got a great interview with CNN's Dana 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: Bash it off the cup if you want to check 5 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: it out. 6 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 2: And a new talk and coffee that we just posted. 7 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 2: It's hilarious, you guys. 8 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: We taste test ridiculous flavored creamers like ridiculous. You don't 9 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: want to miss it. It's really good. Okay, but let's 10 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: get on to the good stuff. Well, I don't actually 11 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: know how good the stuff was for Trump and Republicans 12 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: this week. Trump had a job to do this week, 13 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: at his first State of the Union of his second term, 14 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: he had one job to do. Can you guess what 15 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: it was? You're smart, you're plugged in. I'm you probably 16 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: can guess. His one job was to reassure voters, including 17 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:58,639 Speaker 1: Republican voters, that he feels their pain. You know why, 18 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: because there's this thing happening in November that Trump doesn't 19 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: seem to know or care about. 20 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 2: It's an election. 21 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: It's an election, and Americans are hurting, they're concerned, they're 22 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: anxious for their futures. And a lot of that is 23 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 1: because the dumb stuff that Trump is done in the 24 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 1: first year of his second term, on the economy, immigration, 25 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: a whole host of issues. Americans are angry. They don't 26 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: believe the country is moving in the right direction. How 27 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 1: do I know this? They're telling us. They are literally 28 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 1: telling us. Look at virtually any poll I mean any, 29 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 1: including Trump favored polls, Fox polls, Rasmussen polls. You will 30 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: see it as clear as day. Trump's job approval is 31 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: at an all time low. Most Americans think Trump is 32 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: moving the country in the wrong direction. A plurality believes 33 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: Trump is doing a worse job than Joe Biden. Most 34 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: Americans think he's focused on issues that aren't very important 35 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: to them, and the majority say they're very concerned about 36 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: the cost of healthcare, food, consumer goods, and housing. Less 37 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: than a third of Americans believe the economy will be 38 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: better in a year. Okay, all of those should be 39 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: alarm bells for Trump and Republicans. 40 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 2: But here he was on Tuesday night, addressing the nation. 41 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:31,239 Speaker 3: Our nation is back, bigger, better, richer, and stronger than 42 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 3: ever before. Less than five months from now, our country 43 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 3: will celebrate an epic milestone in American history, the two 44 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 3: hundred and fiftieth anniversary of our glorious American Independence. This 45 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 3: July fourth, we will mark two and a half centuries. 46 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 4: Of liberty and triumph, progress and freedom in the most 47 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 4: incredible and exceptional nation ever to exist on the face 48 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 4: of the earth. And you've seen nothing yet. We're going 49 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 4: to do better and better and better. 50 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 5: This is the Golden Age of America. 51 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 4: When I last spoke in this chamber twelve months ago, 52 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 4: I had just inherited a nation in crisis, with a 53 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 4: stagnant economy, inflation at record levels, a wide open border, 54 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 4: horrendous recruitment for military and police, rampant crime at home, 55 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 4: and wars and chaos all over the world. But tonight, 56 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 4: after just one year, I can say with dignity and 57 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 4: pride that we have achieved a trans information like no 58 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 4: one has ever seen before, and a turnaround for the Ages. 59 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 4: It is, indeed a turnaround for the Ages. And we 60 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 4: will never go back to where we were just a 61 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 4: very short time ago. 62 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 6: We're not going back. 63 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: We're not going back. What Trump doesn't get is people 64 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: want to go back. Actually they're desperate to go back. 65 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: They think things were better under Biden. And I don't 66 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: think things were great under Biden. Neither did most voters. 67 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: That's why they voted them out. But things are so 68 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: bad under Trump, Americans. 69 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 2: Do want to go back. 70 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: His energy did not match the moment, to say the least, 71 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 1: And he thinks, I guess just by saying it, just 72 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: by saying how great we're doing, will believe him. But 73 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 1: said at a thousand times politics one on one is 74 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,359 Speaker 1: you never tell voters they're wrong about how they feel. 75 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 2: He didn't do well on immigration. 76 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: I think instead of acknowledging the mistakes his administration is 77 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: made or the way people are feeling about the issue, 78 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 1: he doubled down. He played to the cheapest of seats 79 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: with gory tales of violence by illegal drug lords, murderers, rapists, 80 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: look criminals who no one has an issue with, removing. 81 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 2: None of us like drug lords and rapists and murderers. 82 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: It's the seventy five year old grandmother that they dragged 83 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: out of her house, or the five year old kid 84 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,679 Speaker 1: that they zip tied, or the two Americans that they killed. 85 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:00,359 Speaker 2: That's who we have an issue you with. 86 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: And on tariffs, the other thing that a lot of 87 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 1: people care about, he told voters the sky was green. Essentially, 88 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: he said everything was working well before the Supreme Court 89 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: shot him down. 90 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 2: No, no, they weren't. No, they weren't. 91 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:20,239 Speaker 1: He insisted factories, jobs, investment, trillions and trillions of dollars 92 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: will continue pouring into America because of the tariffs. None 93 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 1: of that is true. It's just total wish casting. Tariffs 94 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: have cost you US households as much as twenty six 95 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: hundred dollars a year, and poles show a majority of 96 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: Americans oppose them. But here he was touting their imaginary success. Now, look, 97 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: if he doesn't want to listen to voters, if he 98 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 1: doesn't care how they're feeling, that is his progative. But 99 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: Republican lawmakers who are up in November are probably wishing 100 00:06:56,279 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: he'd change his dune, like stop calling afford a bill 101 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: a hoax. They probably want him to talk more about 102 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: how he's going to make goods and the cost of 103 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: living more affordable instead of calling affordability a hoax. But 104 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: he just can't do it. He cannot, and voters are 105 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: not here for his delusional victory lapse. They want real change. 106 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: They want to feel good about their future. They want 107 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: to know that their government isn't going to come after them. 108 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: They want to know that they'll be able to afford 109 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: a home, a car, groceries gas. They want to know 110 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: their kids are safe at school, their grandparents are safe 111 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: in their homes, their rights and civil liberties are protected. 112 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:39,239 Speaker 1: And he's off building ballrooms and monuments, trying to steal 113 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: Greenland and arrest journalists and indict democratic politicians. It's insanity, 114 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: and in an election year, it's political malpractice. All the 115 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: momentum he had coming into office, it's gone. 116 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 2: It is gone. And here's the thing. He knows it. 117 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 2: He absolutely Lee knows it. 118 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: Yes, he is delusional, but he knows he's lost the country. 119 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 2: He knows it. Here's how I know that he knows it. 120 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: Washington Post reports that activists are working with the White 121 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: House on an executive order to declare a national emergency 122 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: over elections. 123 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 2: Now, the emergency is that Republicans are going to get crushed. 124 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: But they're claiming, quote, foreign interference is what they're worried about. 125 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: They have a seventeen page draft executive order citing Chinese 126 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: interference in the twenty twenty election as a basis to 127 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: declare a national emergency that would give Trump extraordinary power 128 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: over voting, from banning mail in ballots to voting machines, 129 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: attempting to nationalize elections. 130 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 2: This is all in the works. 131 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: Oh, there's no national emergency, and it's scary, And we've 132 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: talked on this program before. Democrats are taking this seriously 133 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: as they should. Secretaries of state all over the country 134 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 1: are taking this seriously, and they are preparing for federal interference, 135 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: American federal interference in our elections. That's how bad it is. 136 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: But there's no national emergency. There's no national emergency. There 137 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: was no fraud. 138 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 2: The election in twenty twenty wasn't rigged. None of this 139 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 2: is real. 140 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: But I think the storyline here that gets missed a 141 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: little bit when we talk about how scary all this 142 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: stuff is and it is, is how out of ideas 143 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: they are. Republicans literally are talking about having to rig 144 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: it to win it. They don't have policy ideas, they 145 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: don't even have political solutions. They are out of ideas, guys. 146 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: By floating this stuff, they are admitting to the American 147 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: public they have no ideas. They cannot solve their problems, 148 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: and they can't win on their own merits. They don't 149 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: have the votes. They have lost the coalition that voted 150 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: them in last time. So we've got to rig it. 151 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: We've got to declare a national emergency. The emergency being 152 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,439 Speaker 1: we're going to lose big time in the midterms. 153 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 2: Now, that's not how it's supposed to go. That's not 154 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 2: how the Constitution's supposed to work. 155 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: And I think you're going to see a big uprising 156 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: if we actually start to see some of these things 157 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: being put into place. I mean, this is when you 158 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: start to see maybe people go on strike, This is 159 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: when you start to see a lot of protests, people 160 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: on the steps of the Capitol, outside the White House, 161 00:10:56,200 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: at their state houses, at their local legislatures. 162 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 2: Are not because it's the whole ballgame, guys. 163 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: If we don't have free and fair elections, we are 164 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: in a country, we are in a democracy. It's the 165 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: whole ballgame. If they come for the elections, that's it, folks. 166 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: So I don't think people are going to just let them. Okay, 167 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: I think you're going to see a big uprising over 168 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: this if we start, if this becomes more than just 169 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: talk and floating. But it really is astonishing. They're showing 170 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,719 Speaker 1: all their cards as if we don't know how to 171 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: read them all their cards, We don't know how to 172 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: win we can't win. They don't care about you, they 173 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: don't care about this country. They don't care about democracy. 174 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: They just care about winning. They'll rig it if they 175 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: have to. But they know they're going to get crushed. 176 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,559 Speaker 1: They're going to get crushed in the midterms. 177 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 2: They know it. Okay, when we. 178 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: Come back, I'm talking to the Bulwarks, Tim Miller, I've 179 00:11:58,520 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: about all this stuff. 180 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 7: Don't go anyway, welcome back to talking politics. 181 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: Joining me now as my friend and fellow patriot, Tim 182 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: Miller from the Bulwark. 183 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 2: He's doing great stuff over there, go check it out. 184 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 2: Welcome Tim. 185 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 6: Hey girl, I am a patriot. I still love America. 186 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 6: I mean, we've got some problems, we got some big problems. Yeah, 187 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 6: and the president sucks sass, But yeah, I still you know, 188 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 6: I still get some patriotic feelings inside me too. 189 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 2: Me too. 190 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 1: And you know some people say that protesting or questioning 191 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: your government is the ultimate sign of patriotism. 192 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 2: I think that's true. 193 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, if we didn't care, if we didn't love our. 194 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 2: Country, we wouldn't. 195 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 6: These are to turn us into China, where we're not 196 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 6: allowed to do that, you know, so I agree. Recapturing 197 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 6: the patriotism Wes Moore is big on that. 198 00:12:57,840 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 2: I hear a lot of this from Democrats. 199 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: We had Jacob Frye on CNN before the State of 200 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: the Union. I hear Alyssa slot Can talk about this. 201 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: I hear Ram and Manuel talk about this like recapturing 202 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: the flag on the left, which I think, you know, 203 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: Democrats really seeded a lot to Republicans for many years. 204 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: I think even Bill Maher was saying, like, if you 205 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: ask a young person today what American values are, it's 206 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: oppression and that you know, Democrats the left really needs 207 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: to rediscover what's great about America and start talking about it. 208 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 6: Do you agree, Well, the answer among the right wing 209 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 6: kids isn't much better. We shouldn't let that off the hook. 210 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 6: It would be it would be like blood and soil nationalism. 211 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 6: It's actually so none of have a good answer to 212 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 6: that question. Yet you know that's okay, our children, Okay, 213 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 6: we'll change no. 214 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: But do you I like this idea of Democrats reclaiming 215 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: the flag. The country shouldn't belong to one party. Patriotism 216 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: and you know the patriot porn on Fox and on 217 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: the right that we did for so long it got cartoonish. 218 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 2: I mean, I was writing. I wrote a pilot. 219 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: Of a sitcom that took place in a Fox News 220 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: kind of newsroom, and at the time it was so cartoonish, 221 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: the patriot porn that I had a taxidermied bald eagle 222 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: in one of the hosts dressing rooms. 223 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, like yeah, sure that, yeah, that cartoons. 224 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 6: It becomes cartoonish, becomes unreal. Sorry to make it serious, 225 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 6: to get all of a sudden, but they're going after 226 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 6: the First Amendment, They're going after the Fourth Amendment. They're 227 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 6: even fucking going after the Second Amendment with Alex Freddy, 228 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 6: so like they don't it's all fake. It's all aesthetics, 229 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 6: all it's aesthetics. 230 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I want to talk about Stay of the Union. 231 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: What were your thoughts. 232 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 6: I think the Stay of the Union is a massive 233 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 6: waste of time, and I felt that way even before 234 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 6: Donald Trump was there. I think it was basically meaningless. 235 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 6: It has mattered like twice basically in our lifetime with 236 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 6: the access of evil stuff around a rock. And then 237 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 6: it kind of mattered when Joe Biden tricked people into 238 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 6: thinking he was vigorous honestly, like had he had the 239 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 6: debate performance at the State of the Union, we might 240 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 6: have been able to move on from that a little quicker. 241 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 6: So that kind of like the speech didn't matter. Just 242 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 6: like the fact that, like he demonstrated that he was 243 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 6: an awake person, it mattered a little bit, but that 244 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 6: was it. These don't matter. The whole thing is he's gross. 245 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 6: It's just constant lying. You can't even keep you know, 246 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 6: you can't even keep up with all of it, you know, 247 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 6: like there's just random little things you don't even talk about. 248 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 6: Like for example, he was talking about the tariffs and 249 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 6: how you know, Spreme Court overruled it, and he's like, 250 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 6: I've been talking to other countries and they like the 251 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 6: deal we have, so we're going to keep it. And 252 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 6: it's like that's not that's not how it works. So 253 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 6: you can't do that, you know what I mean. But 254 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 6: like that isn't even in the top twenty paragraphs of 255 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 6: the coverage of things for the speech because it's just 256 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 6: it's just full of bs and so I don't you know, 257 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 6: that's basically what I came down and I would love 258 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 6: I don't know if this is smart politics, but if 259 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 6: the Democrats that make the House, I kind of want 260 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 6: them to not invite him next year in the hopes 261 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 6: of just killing it. Yeah, I keep killing it for good. 262 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 6: It does people can go back to writing a letter. 263 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter, and it doesn't matter for all kinds 264 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: of reasons. Right the acces we have more access to 265 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: the president, you know, than we did at a time 266 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: when this address was sometimes you know, the only way 267 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: you could find out what the president was thinking, what 268 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: was coming up. 269 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't think it matters. 270 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: But I do think it was representative of a larger 271 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: problem for Republicans, which is that they don't have an answer. Yeah, 272 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: for American voters anxiety on the economy, on immigration, about 273 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: the future. They don't have an answer. They don't have 274 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: a policy answer. They don't I mean, they don't have anything. 275 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 6: He didn't even try to, you know, put policies forward. 276 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 6: And the whole thing was also incoherent in addition to 277 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 6: being lies. It's like this first twenty minutes is we're 278 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 6: in the Golden Age, and then we had a forty 279 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 6: minute period of like death porn, Yeah, about all the 280 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 6: things that are horrible and how people are just like 281 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 6: these grizzly descriptions of drug and blood spreading out of 282 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 6: people's bodies, and then like five minutes more at the 283 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 6: end about how we're actually in the golden nature. So 284 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 6: it's like it doesn't It was no message, you know, 285 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,199 Speaker 6: it's like on any given issue on housing, he's like, 286 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 6: you know, we're gonna lower housing prices for new home buyers, 287 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 6: we're gonna keep them high for people that got houses. 288 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 6: Like that was literally the message, Like wait, how what? 289 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 6: And that's like the one example he gave is there's 290 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 6: this person, I forget that person, imaginary person saying like 291 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 6: they tried to buy a new house. They put in 292 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 6: twenty offers, all twenty of them. They were outbid by 293 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 6: a corporate hedge fund, and I was like, that didn't happen. 294 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 6: Like even if you like this policy of like limiting 295 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 6: corporation's abilities to buy houses and putting some living I'm 296 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 6: fine with that, but like you know this, you know 297 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 6: you don't have any that's not even how that works. Yeah, 298 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 6: it didn't even know. You can't even tell us one 299 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 6: instance of a true thing that happened that you're trying 300 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 6: to fix. You may have a face. So no, they 301 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 6: don't have an answer. Did he meant did he actually 302 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 6: even propose any policies, but the vote cheating and voting 303 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 6: like the Save Act is like the only substantive thing 304 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 6: I think that I can think of that he talked 305 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 6: about that he wanted Congress to do yes. 306 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: And that's what I was just saying before the break, 307 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 1: which is this talk of declaring a national emergency around 308 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: the midterm elections. They're using Chinese interference as a justification. 309 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: They're floating these plans to really take control over the elections, 310 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: and the tell of it is that they're out of 311 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:40,719 Speaker 1: ideas and they need to rig it to win it. 312 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 2: This is what they are saying out loud. 313 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: They are admitting, we're done, guys, we cannot win this 314 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 1: unless we rig it. 315 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 2: Do they realize that that's what they're saying? 316 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 6: It's hard. I mean, the whole thing is just nonsensical. 317 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 6: I don't think they're thinking about it that deeply. I think, honestly, 318 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 6: I think they're just like looking for excuses to try 319 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 6: to like cheat and pretext on. It's like, why didn't 320 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 6: the Chinese cheat in twenty twenty four, right because or 321 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 6: maybe they did they or did they like Trump in 322 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 6: twenty twenty four. I just the whole thing is preposterous, 323 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 6: Like it doesn't make any sense. They control everything, Okay, 324 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 6: So like if someone like you're running the FBI, I mean, 325 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 6: is he doing anything or is he just partying? We 326 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 6: don't know. But like, you know, if it's true the 327 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 6: twenty twenty election was stolen, shouldn't you have arrested somebody 328 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 6: right now or dighted someone or you know what I mean, 329 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 6: Like it's just totally it's it's they're trying to go 330 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 6: with some chum to give them a rationalization to do 331 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 6: it they want, similar to the Samoa, the Minnesota Samali thing. 332 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 6: Basically it's with us. It's like that playbook over again. 333 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 1: But do you think part parts of his base get 334 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 1: that that this is all just smoke and mirrors because 335 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: they're out of ideas. 336 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, it depends on what you mean by the bass. 337 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 6: I think it's kind of like, you know, there's this 338 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 6: last ones in the boat, first ones out element to it, 339 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 6: Like I think that the you know, if you watch it, 340 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 6: all the comedy bros that went along with him, now 341 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 6: Andrew Schultz and Tim Dillon and Theovon and these guys 342 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 6: like to varying degrees like they're off the train, you know, 343 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 6: like they're because they they're not they're not doing your 344 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 6: spoof you know, the the spoof pilots. You know, they're 345 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:25,959 Speaker 6: not part of that. They don't have the bald eagle yea, 346 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 6: you know behind them, right, Like, there are a few 347 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 6: things that they were annoyed with that the Democrats were doing. 348 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 6: There are a few things that they liked that Trump 349 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 6: was saying. They got on board for the purposes of 350 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 6: the election. Maybe there's also some misogyny there with you know, 351 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 6: and then you know, next thing, you know, they they 352 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 6: see it clearly, like when you hear them talk about cash, 353 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 6: you hear them talk about Epstein, and you hear them 354 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 6: talking about the election, like that demo gets it. I 355 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 6: think that another group that he gained, you know, was 356 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 6: like young men, like young men who weren't paying that 357 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 6: close of attention. Yeah, particularly Hispanic and black men. These 358 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 6: people they're off, they're gone, They're they're like, wait a minute, 359 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 6: I thought you're to make things cheaper on. What you're 360 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 6: doing is if you're a Hispanic king, what you're doing, 361 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 6: it's like you're hassling my aunt or like my buddy 362 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 6: at school, right, you know what I mean, It's like 363 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 6: the immigration and the economy thing isn't land. So are 364 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 6: the people that watch Laura Ingram show. Do they understand 365 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 6: that they're being fooled? Probably not, you know, like they 366 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 6: they I think, are you know, there's a category of 367 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 6: people of his base that are still on board for 368 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 6: all of this. I go the Chinese did it okay, 369 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 6: But I think that there's like a key parts of 370 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 6: the coalition that are looking at him like you're crazy 371 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 6: and that's why his numbers were. 372 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 1: Is how bad are the Epstein files for Trump and 373 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 1: Republicans right now? Is it is it still? Is it 374 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 1: just a lot of noise or is there a real 375 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 1: like political like guillotine hanging over them that will drop 376 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: at some point. 377 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 6: I'm like really torn about this and at the bulwark, 378 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 6: like you know, Sarah Longwell, it's like I think it's 379 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 6: very bad. And I take her seriously because she is 380 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 6: not at all like a hair on five, you know 381 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 6: what I mean, like going along the walls are closing 382 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 6: in on Trump like this is not her She's level. 383 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 6: Added does focus groups listens to people? So I take that. 384 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 6: At the end of the day, I'm just kind of like, 385 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 6: are people really voting on Epstein? I don't know, you know, 386 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 6: I think that I think that there's a vulnerability in 387 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 6: that he looks ridiculous, like he's getting mocked. And you know, 388 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 6: if you want to be a strong man, you never 389 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 6: want to get mocked. You know, you never want to 390 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 6: be an item of derision. So I think that hurts 391 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 6: him a little bit. The details matter on all this 392 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 6: a little bit. I get the details don't matter in 393 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,679 Speaker 6: the sense that he's doing a cover up, regardless of 394 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 6: whether like he was raping young girls or just friends 395 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 6: with Jeffrey Epstein and covering up on behalf of his 396 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 6: buddies or whatever, you know, no matter what the actual 397 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 6: reason is, Like, it's a cover up and it's bad, 398 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 6: and it's a real scandal, and it's gonna last through 399 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 6: his whole presidency because when the Democrats think back the House, 400 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 6: there's gonna be hearings on all of this all throughout 401 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,439 Speaker 6: twenty twenty seven at least, right, So in that sense, 402 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 6: it hurts him because like you're you're having to deal 403 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 6: with all that, you know. I think that the economy 404 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 6: and even the immigration excesses and so of the other 405 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 6: stuff is probably more of a like acute political vulnerability 406 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 6: for the mid terms. 407 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 2: Let's talk about Texas. 408 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: I was on CNN last night, and I guess I 409 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: said the thing you're not allowed to say, which is 410 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: that a Democrat is not winning the Senate in Texas. 411 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 2: Do you see it differently? 412 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 6: I see it a little differently. 413 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 4: Uh. 414 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 6: I would I put my life savings on the on 415 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 6: the Democrat winning in Texas. No, is there a world 416 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 6: in which the Democrats go in Texas? I think so 417 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 6: it's incumbent on Ken Paxton winning. Yeah, right, So if 418 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 6: Ken Paxton wins the Republican primary, I think that's a 419 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 6: key indicator. I'm I'm not one hundred percent of this 420 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 6: point of view, but I pretty strongly think that, like, 421 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 6: it probably needs to be tall Rico on the Democratic 422 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,439 Speaker 6: side to have a chance. I find it hard to 423 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 6: believe that that Jasmine wins. I think that there's like 424 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,199 Speaker 6: one big caveat to that when I when you know 425 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 6: when I say, I don't agree with you on hundred 426 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 6: percent that they have no chance to win, which is 427 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 6: we don't we don't know what things look like in October. Yeah, 428 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 6: I mean, what if there really is like a big 429 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 6: economic crash, what if he does the maximalist version of 430 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 6: this Iran war and like like people die by the 431 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 6: way Americans die, Like, so you know, I think that 432 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 6: like you could get to a place where Trump is 433 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 6: so toxic by November. Yeah that Texas and they put 434 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,640 Speaker 6: up the clown most clownish candidate possible that somebody could win. 435 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 6: But it's it's a big stretch, and I've been pretty unimpressed, 436 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 6: in particular with Krockett. But even like Talary Goes, I 437 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 6: think got drugged down by it a little bit. And 438 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 6: it's like I look at some of the other stretched states. 439 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 6: You know, Texas is sexy, so people talk about it 440 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 6: and the candidates are high profile because Tlary Goes done, 441 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 6: Rogan and Crocket's been everywhere. We look like Mary Peltola 442 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 6: in Alaska. Yeah, you know, she's keeping her head down. 443 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 6: The campaign is fish, family and freedom. That's her logo. 444 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,239 Speaker 6: She's like, I'm just going to talk about Alaska. I mean, 445 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 6: I have a I have a clear mess for Alaskan voters, 446 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 6: which is not the like I'm a woe clib that 447 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 6: hates Trump. But the message is like I care about you. 448 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 6: These guys don't like they care about their corruption and 449 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 6: their ballroom and et cetera. And I want to protect 450 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 6: that could I like that I think is interesting. Yeah, 451 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,479 Speaker 6: And I think that the Democrats could win in some 452 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 6: of these stretched states if they have good candidates running 453 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 6: on clear messages about what they're offering to Trump voters. 454 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 6: Because to win in a red state, a state that 455 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 6: Trump won by ten percent, you got to win Trump voters. 456 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 6: There's not just as much imaginary not voting Democrats out there. 457 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 6: You have to win some people vote for Trump. Yeah, 458 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 6: so if you have a clear message for them, if 459 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 6: Trump's economy is bad, I don't think it's crazy the 460 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 6: Democrats could win some of those states Lake Maine. The 461 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 6: main thing is, so here's where I'm trying to update 462 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 6: myself as a political analyst. I'm trying to grow in 463 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 6: my forties. Is that possible? I seek we grow now. 464 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 6: But look, I believe that like if the Democrats ran 465 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 6: like the idea, the old type of candidate that I like, 466 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 6: in a lot of these states, it would probably be 467 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 6: good for them. Like running like kind of a moderate left, 468 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:13,919 Speaker 6: heterodox Democrat, you know, that is I think is going 469 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 6: to be probably just like I just look at what 470 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 6: Josh Bua just just just running circles around people in Pennsylvania, right, 471 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 6: A lot of people don't like him for various reasons 472 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 6: on the left, but like, like he's just he's crushing 473 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 6: the opposition, right. And so to me, look at that 474 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,199 Speaker 6: and like that seems like a winning model. Maybe just 475 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 6: maybe you just do that everywhere. That's one idea, okay, 476 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 6: But then other thing is that, like, you know, boring, 477 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 6: middle of the road Democrats have also had some big fails. 478 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 6: If you look at me, and Sarah Gideon was just 479 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 6: an unoffensive Democrat. She wasn't really a moderate. She was 480 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 6: just like a normal Democrat, middle of the Democratic Party, 481 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 6: whatever the Democrats' position was. With her position, she lost 482 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 6: to Susan Collins. That didn't work right. And so to me, 483 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 6: the Platner thing, well, he's not exactly my cup of tea, 484 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 6: and I wish that the stakes weren't so high, you know, 485 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,880 Speaker 6: our entire democracy. It's just like political science experiment. Because 486 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,159 Speaker 6: I look at him, I'm kind of like, you know, 487 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 6: that's not the that's not what I would draw up 488 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 6: right from my best chance to win in Maine. But 489 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 6: can he win back some people that Trump won? We're 490 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 6: working class people that you know, the were Obama Trump voters. 491 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 6: I bet he can. Yeah, can he do that while 492 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 6: having some of the college educated voters who look at 493 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 6: him and they think he's a little rough And I 494 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 6: don't like some of those posts, and you know, I 495 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,919 Speaker 6: don't know about the tattoo, but like, I'll hold my 496 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 6: nose and vote for him anyway because I can he 497 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 6: put together a different type of coalition that's successful. The 498 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 6: polls kind of say yes right now. They haven't run 499 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:40,360 Speaker 6: ads against him long race, so I I I'm intrigued 500 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 6: by the platinum model. I guess he was trying it 501 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 6: in Florida right now, you know what I mean? Like 502 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 6: I kind of wish that, Like there was another guy 503 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 6: that race that dropped out. He ran a beer company. 504 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 6: He was kind of a center left moderates. He was 505 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 6: an entrepreneur. He seemed safe. I was like, maybe that's 506 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:58,959 Speaker 6: good for Maine because we need to win this one. 507 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 6: It's very important, and try I try something new and 508 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,400 Speaker 6: offbeat in Florida. See if that works, because the Democrats 509 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 6: are fucking play right. Okay. So that's my main issue 510 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 6: with platters, Like I just wish it wasn't main It's 511 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 6: like the stakes are so high and main. It's like 512 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 6: we're doing a high wire act here. But like, I 513 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 6: don't that might be what the Democrats just need that 514 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 6: I'm just opening in the fact that Democrats might need to 515 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 6: do something that isn't exactly my cup of tea is that? 516 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: Does that cup of tea include Gavin Newsom? Is he 517 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 1: the Democratic front runner at this point? 518 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 6: I guess, But I think it's a long time and 519 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 6: you're not the Democratic front runner until you are. This 520 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 6: is my James Carvel thing, and I steal you gotta 521 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 6: be the front runner of the Black Church. 522 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 2: Yeah right, I think that's JB. Pritsker May. 523 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 6: Who knows? And is that Gavin? I don't know. Not 524 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 6: really doesn't seem like it to me. My hottest take, 525 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 6: here's my hottest take. I just was critical of Crockett 526 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 6: and her campaign. If somehow she wins the primary and 527 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 6: if somehow she wins the general, she's the front runner 528 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 6: in twenty twenty. Well, because she's a Black Texas senator, 529 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 6: she can win the Black Church anyway. That's a very 530 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 6: far out. That's my hot tex Gavin. Look, here's the 531 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 6: problem with Gavin, and this goes to my platter thing. 532 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 6: I just want the Democrats to try something different. Gavin 533 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 6: is Garvin Kawa don't like each other. The only difference 534 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 6: between Gavin and Kamala is that Gavin's a white guy. 535 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 6: And so your theory of the case for Gavin is that, 536 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 6: like the only reason Kamala loss is the country is 537 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 6: racist and sexist. 538 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 2: I don't believe that. But if you believed that. 539 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 6: If you believe that Gavin is a logical person to 540 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 6: go sure. I don't believe it, and I believe racist 541 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 6: and sexist. I just don't think that was the deciding 542 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 6: reason why Kamba. 543 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: It ignores all the exit polling that told us exactly 544 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: why Conlent will find it lost. 545 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 2: Because they were ignoring the issues that mattered to people. 546 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 6: So yeah, so that's my that's my thing with Gavin. 547 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 6: He's grown on me a little bit. You gotta give 548 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 6: him credit for what he did with redistricting, you know, 549 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 6: And I think that like the whole like the Republicans 550 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 6: being so triggered by him and being like, you're racist, 551 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 6: you know, like all this stuff. 552 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 2: You're just looking for anything they can. 553 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 6: They're trying their failing. So yeah, I know, but he's 554 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 6: what I want. This is when I said all the times, Democrats, 555 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 6: it's frustrating that I think that the left, which is 556 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 6: not you, and these people per se. But the left 557 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 6: gets this right. The parties are unpopular, the establishments of 558 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 6: the parties are unpopular. Look at the last two success 559 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 6: and really the only two successful presidential politicians in the 560 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 6: modern media age. You know, by the time the internet existed. 561 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 6: It was Obama who ran twice, who won twice, and 562 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 6: Trump who twice. Both of them ran against their party's 563 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 6: establishment and said that they were wrong stuff and took header. 564 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 6: And Obama had some lefty views on the war that 565 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 6: really gave him credibility. But then he cut to the 566 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 6: center a little bit in the way that I didn't 567 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 6: really love on gays, but like also just red states 568 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 6: and blue states, education reform right, like he did different 569 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 6: He wasn't a generic Democrat. Trump obviously, we don't have 570 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 6: to do this. He cuts right on cops and immigration 571 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 6: and racism and then cuts to the center on social 572 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 6: security and wars. Again, yep, Democrats need to do that. 573 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 6: Because the Democrats put up just another person that's the 574 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 6: next person in the machine. I just think that they're 575 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 6: that's insane, that's like that's you know, doing the same 576 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 6: thing over and over again expecting a different result is insane, 577 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 6: and they need people who have a differentiated brand. And 578 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 6: so like that's my issue with Gavin more than anything 579 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 6: about him in particular. 580 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 2: I get that, and I think you're totally right. 581 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: I think what I'm looking for in a Democrat because 582 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: I this is the sad thing. I can't conceive of 583 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: a Republican that I could support in twenty twenty eight. 584 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 2: I can't conceive of one. 585 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: I mean maybe if Adam Kinsinger ran as a Republican, sure, yeah, absolutely, 586 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 1: of course. 587 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 6: Only way I can see of one is that Trump's like, 588 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 6: like really we end up in a great depression and 589 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 6: like the Trump's approval rating is twelve percent. I'm imagining 590 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 6: like a zombie apocalypse tide situation where that a Republican 591 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 6: can run being like that guy sucked. That was like 592 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 6: that It's impossible. 593 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 2: I would love that. 594 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, but that's not possible, not probable. 595 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: Maybe I cannot conceive of in my mind a kind 596 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: of Republican that I could vote for running as a Republican. 597 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: So I'm obviously I'm looking at Democrats and what I 598 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: need to hear is a Democrat who's acknowledging the mistakes 599 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 1: that Democrats have made, acknowledges losing a lot of their 600 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: own base, advocating for common sense, a little bit more centrism. 601 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 2: I love the Natsek moms, right. 602 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: I love Alyssa Slocke, I love Abby Spamberger, I love 603 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: Mikey Cheryl. But I think for me, what I'm hearing 604 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: is rom Emmanuel. M Emmanuel is talking the way I 605 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: want a Democrat to talk. I'm not talking about whether 606 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: he can win. 607 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 6: I know, can we just take everything he's been saying 608 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 6: and give it to And I don't like somebody who 609 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 6: who emerged from the ether in the year twenty twenty 610 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 6: one after you know, who doesn't have all the baggage, 611 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 6: who's a little happier. I get what I want. 612 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: Your critiques are correct, was those critiques, Yeah, but I like, 613 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: I am so sick of, like you know, the death 614 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: of expertise and shitting. 615 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 2: On people who know stuff. I'm with that, and people who. 616 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: He's done every job in government that a person can do. 617 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: I think that makes him eminently qualified, and can we 618 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: bring their qualifications? 619 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 6: I'm with you, Okay, So but if if wishes. How 620 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 6: does it go? You know, if wishes were horses, there's 621 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 6: a wishes thing. We could wish the cast all we want. Okay. 622 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 6: I worked for John Huntsman, most qualified candidate ever, the 623 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 6: Republican thing. I ended up supporting Hillary most qualified candidates 624 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 6: since George H. W. Bush had a major party ticket. 625 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 6: They both lost. Yeah, I'm trying to learn from the past. 626 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 6: I wish we lived in a country that the most 627 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 6: important thing was the resume. We don't. 628 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 2: It's electability, yeah, who can. 629 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 6: Get a lot? Yeah? And even the centers was littless important. 630 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 6: I want there to be centers on some things. I 631 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 6: just want to. I want somebody to feel different. Obama 632 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 6: felt different, Trump felt different. Come on, feel different, be happy, 633 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,399 Speaker 6: be positive, say that. You know what. The Democrats these 634 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 6: aren't These aren't my positions. By the way, I'm just kidding, 635 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 6: giving you an imaginary Canada. You know what, the Democrats 636 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 6: have been a little bit too in league with the 637 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 6: military establishment. I'm a little bit I'm a little bit 638 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 6: more skeptical of them. I'm a little bit more anti war. Okay. 639 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 6: By the way, the Democrats also were a little too 640 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 6: mean to cops, and I think cops are great in 641 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,359 Speaker 6: help communities, and I want to fund a lot more cops. Actually, 642 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 6: I think we should have a new cops bill that 643 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,879 Speaker 6: gives them rules on how they behave, but also get 644 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 6: pays them more and go. And also I think America 645 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 6: can do great thing, you know what I mean. Like 646 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 6: and also we're gonna put some of the Trump people 647 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 6: in jail. I want somebody to you know what I mean. 648 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 6: And what I'm getting is a lot of like this 649 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 6: is I'm offering you the same platform that didn't work 650 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 6: for Hillary and Kumla. But I'm going to say the 651 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 6: word affordability more. That's right, That's that's gonna work in 652 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,320 Speaker 6: twenty six, probably by the way, because Trump's so unpopular. 653 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 6: But like, that's not going to get you there, it's not. 654 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:04,720 Speaker 2: I totally agree. 655 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 1: Okay, we finish always with an exit poll. It's three 656 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 1: questions of varying degrees of seriousness. Tim Miller, what is 657 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 1: your favorite movie about politics? 658 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 6: Probably Primary Colors? 659 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 2: Good one. I just watched that. 660 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 6: It's great. It's so well done. 661 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: It's really well done. The acting is great, everyone really commits. 662 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: You know what I want though, what I want Primary 663 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: Colors too, That is like inside Clinton's White House. Yeah, 664 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 1: because that's like when the ship happens, right. 665 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:39,800 Speaker 6: Or the post White House. 666 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 2: Maybe we need two and three. 667 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 6: Two and three yeah count as a political movie because 668 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 6: if we're just doing Millennial eldermennial hits. 669 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 2: What what you say? 670 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 6: Air Force one? Does that count as a politics movie? 671 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 6: Or is that not? Really? It's an action counts. 672 00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,400 Speaker 2: Of course it does, and it's fair. 673 00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 6: For one then I'm sorry. Air Force one is my 674 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 6: favorite thing. 675 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 2: I mean, it's a perfect movie. 676 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 6: Yeah. 677 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 1: Gary Oldman is like the best in that movie, and 678 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: so is Harrison Ford. 679 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,720 Speaker 2: It's fantastic. 680 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: Second question, who is someone you admire on the other 681 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 1: side of the aisle? 682 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 2: And that can mean whatever you want it to mean. 683 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 6: Oh boy, this is tough right now, Here's what I'd say. 684 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,959 Speaker 6: There's a lot of things that I don't like about him, 685 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 6: about the policies he's put forth, and so I have 686 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 6: critiques of him. But Spencer Cox is doing a good 687 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 6: jobs governor of Utah, and if I lived in Utah, 688 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 6: I don't think I would be unhappy without him. And 689 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 6: depending on who the Democrats put up, I might, you 690 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 6: know what I mean, it would depend But he's actor 691 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 6: with integrity, he's cheat. He handled the Charlie Kirk assassination 692 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 6: situation extremely well and could not have yeah, oh my god. Yeah, 693 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,720 Speaker 6: I mean he could have gone along with the random 694 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 6: and their conspiracy is coming on all sides of it totally. 695 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,360 Speaker 6: He played it straight down the middle. He's I just 696 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 6: think that the Mormons in general have andstrated themselves to 697 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 6: have something's working for the most is all I'm saying, 698 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 6: Like the Mormon Republicans, Mike Lee, we're gonna put out 699 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 6: on right. 700 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,719 Speaker 2: I was going to say, there's a blaring omission, Okay. 701 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,360 Speaker 6: Yeah, but Flake, Romney, Yeah, it's cos a lot of 702 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 6: them acted with dignity and integrity, and that's good. I 703 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 6: do think Cox is trying to steal that congressional seat back, 704 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 6: so not all not all plants, but he's not all 705 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:23,880 Speaker 6: plots for him. 706 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:25,920 Speaker 1: That would be I was just with Jeff Flake the 707 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,239 Speaker 1: other night and I was like, man, I miss you 708 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 1: and by you like this version of a lawmaker. You 709 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 1: just miss it because it's just it's such a nice guy, 710 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: so so much dignity and integrity, and. 711 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:40,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't see that a lot. Okay. 712 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,279 Speaker 6: The final question, this is on the other side of 713 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 6: I'll give you one from each because that's like whatever. 714 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,799 Speaker 6: I'm a Norman never Trump lived. Right now, I think 715 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,320 Speaker 6: Zorn's done a great job the first six weeks. 716 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 2: Okay, you don't live in New York City, but okay. 717 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 6: We'll see that how that goes. But I think that 718 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:55,839 Speaker 6: the first six weeks has been pretty good. 719 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 2: You don't live in New York City though. 720 00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,200 Speaker 6: I don't know, but you said something on the other 721 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 6: side of the eye, someone up on the other side, 722 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 6: and so I'm giving you a live He's not one 723 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:04,359 Speaker 6: of my. 724 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 2: I'm in the city every day. 725 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 6: There are you disagree? 726 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 1: Eight feet of snow still on the sidewalks in New 727 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:12,360 Speaker 1: York City. 728 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,400 Speaker 2: No, that's the bare minimum. That's what I expect of. 729 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,279 Speaker 6: My I live in New Orleans, Okay, So like I 730 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,920 Speaker 6: don't our streets don't even like you have to live it, 731 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 6: have a jeep to live here. So we just might 732 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,280 Speaker 6: have different bars for what we want out of our mayors. 733 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 6: That's when we lived. 734 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 2: I love it, Okay. 735 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,719 Speaker 1: The final question, Tim, it's a very small question. How 736 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 1: do we save our democracy? 737 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 6: The answer is very unsatisfying, but it is just true, 738 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,279 Speaker 6: and that is we have to believe that we can 739 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 6: and go out and do it and fight for it 740 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 6: and vote and protest and and not succumb to like hopelessness. 741 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 6: And I think that is the biggest, like the big 742 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:58,240 Speaker 6: the thing that I get the most frustrated with among 743 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,840 Speaker 6: kind of my cohort whatever that is the pro democracy Coalition. 744 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 6: Is that a lot of people don't want to hear positive. Yeah, 745 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,000 Speaker 6: you know, and I like my podcast is like dooming 746 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,439 Speaker 6: gloom fucking most of the time, but like there are 747 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:17,640 Speaker 6: green shoots. What the people in Minnesota was meaningful? Yes, 748 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 6: Like I always go back to the L. Salvador thing. 749 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 6: They wanted to create a foreign goolag in L Salvador. Okay, 750 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 6: they sent people that they're planning on something more. They 751 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,200 Speaker 6: told Ucality. They wanted him to expand it between the courts, 752 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,839 Speaker 6: between the public opinion and the pushback. Nope' there's no 753 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,360 Speaker 6: one in that prison. Only El Salvadorans are in that prison, 754 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,239 Speaker 6: which is wrong. That's not our problem, you know what 755 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 6: I mean. Yeah, Like there have been these Jimmy Kimmel 756 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,880 Speaker 6: like these are all small things, but like it like 757 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,799 Speaker 6: it can he can be stopped. He might, you know, 758 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,879 Speaker 6: and we need to try to do it. That's what trying. 759 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:47,319 Speaker 6: I think. 760 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,359 Speaker 1: I think Minnesota was the biggest representation of that. 761 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,960 Speaker 2: People did not relent, right, and he had to retreat. 762 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,719 Speaker 6: Yeah, and there's still people in Minnesota and they still 763 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 6: have some agents and it's not over. It isn't over, 764 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:01,920 Speaker 6: but they retreated. 765 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:02,319 Speaker 7: For sure. 766 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 6: A battle was one, the mantle was one. Yeah, that's 767 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:05,120 Speaker 6: my answer. 768 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,880 Speaker 1: And I mean this is I think less meaningful. But 769 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,239 Speaker 1: remember Greenland, he just like dropped it. 770 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,800 Speaker 2: It's gone. He just like walked away from it because. 771 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,359 Speaker 1: He didn't have the cooperation, you know, from NATO, EU 772 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,719 Speaker 1: and all the all the things. They were like, this 773 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 1: isn't happening. He just had to like. 774 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:24,839 Speaker 2: Let it go. 775 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're seeing that kind of you know, his speech 776 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:30,239 Speaker 1: is sitting and. 777 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,319 Speaker 6: Here's what I'll close it on it. It wasn't to 778 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 6: me if you think about where all our heads were 779 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 6: at a year ago, at this time, it was so bleak. 780 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,360 Speaker 6: Everyone was folding to him, you know, and like you 781 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 6: can imagine a dystopian version of the State of the 782 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 6: Union in twenty twenty six February, where he is talking 783 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,719 Speaker 6: about seizing the voting machines. Yeah, and where he does 784 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,239 Speaker 6: have the CEOs that all showed up to his inauguration. 785 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,359 Speaker 6: Are all there talking about how they're going to stand 786 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,000 Speaker 6: in line and where he is doing unapologetic porn about 787 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 6: the murder of Renee Good and Alex pretty you know 788 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,719 Speaker 6: what I mean. You can imagine a worst I know 789 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 6: it seems like we're in the worst timeline, but that's 790 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,879 Speaker 6: not really Actually, it's pretty easy to imagine a worst 791 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 6: timeline version of him, and he has had to retreat 792 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,120 Speaker 6: and if he and if it ends up, we get 793 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,040 Speaker 6: up in this place where like our democracy is in 794 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,360 Speaker 6: really rough shape. But he is just like the toastmaster 795 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:24,000 Speaker 6: in chief. Yeah whatever, honoring people and getting rich off 796 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,480 Speaker 6: crypto like his name on shit, not putting his name 797 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,799 Speaker 6: on shit. Not great, but like that's a win. We 798 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,640 Speaker 6: can save our democracy, That's right, we can, Yeah, we can. 799 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,640 Speaker 6: That is beatable. Yeah, that is beatable. 800 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,839 Speaker 1: Love it to Miller Bulwark, thanks so much for coming on, 801 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 1: Love you and thanks for. 802 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,080 Speaker 2: Fighting the good fight. Always got Jessie. You see that 803 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,720 Speaker 2: does it for talking politics. 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