WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 010122 What are Some Positive Outcomes for Black America From 2021? (Part A) 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:03.080 Welcome to another episode of Civic Cipher. I'm your host, 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:05.039 Ramses Jock, and I go by. 0:00:04.840 --> 0:00:09.200 The name Qward most of the time. Sometime my mom 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:11.559 calls me Q dirty. I'll talk to you guys about 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:12.400 that later. 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:17.919 This Indeed, today is a good day. Indeed, today is 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:21.760 a good day because we have made it through another year. 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:22.360 Amen. 0:00:23.680 --> 0:00:27.440 And you know, there's a couple of times every year 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:33.519 where we try to focus on good things. You know, 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:35.879 admittedly the show is very heavy. There's a lot of 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:39.360 content that we have to work through, but you know, 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:42.519 when it's our birthday, we try to look back and 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:46.440 positive outcomes, things that you know, we've accomplished, and when 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:49.519 we cross over into a new year, it just seems 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:53.840 timely for us. And so since this is our year 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:56.760 end slash New Year episode. 0:00:56.800 --> 0:00:59.920 I'm crazy that I love it another year. 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:03.680 Yes and d But we have a lot for you 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:05.520 to stick around for us, So be sure to stay 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:09.040 tuned because we will be talking about again some positive outcomes. 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:11.640 We're going to look back at the various trials that 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:14.760 have taken place over the years that we have found 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:20.560 at least some favorable outcomes and a lot of things 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:24.080 that we believe maybe we've played a small part in 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:27.920 and first in the second part of the show, we're 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:30.360 going to kind of get a little bit more conceptual 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:36.000 with things, you know, maybe not events specifically, but again 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:39.200 more conceptual things, conversations we've been able to have as 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:43.360 a show, as a country, and you know, just kind 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:46.160 of getting a little bit further along in our understanding 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:48.160 of each other as brothers and sisters, things that we 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:52.120 deem positive around here, and you know, because we don't 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:54.840 get to do that as often, it just feels I 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:56.840 don't know, I'm really excited to have this show and 0:01:56.880 --> 0:01:59.360 I've been looking forward to it for some time because again, 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:02.000 you know, it's a very very heavy show to have 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:05.640 feels necessary though absolutely cathartic if you will. There you go. 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:09.760 But first things first, talk to me like we always 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:10.760 do it this time, like we. 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:12.440 Always do at this time. 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:16.600 How about some ebony excellence for you? I need it, okay, 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:20.080 So make sure I get this right. This comes from 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:26.280 NBC News. Shaddbris eBay. I hope I'm saying that right. 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:29.519 He's a twenty five year old Nigerian medical student who 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:34.320 will soon enter the Kiev Medical University in Ukraine next month. 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:39.000 He describes himself as a self taught medical illustrator. He 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:41.160 said that he spent at least a year learning to 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:45.680 draw anatomy, focusing on black skin every step of the way. Quote. 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:50.280 I wasn't expecting to go viral. eBay and aspiring pediatric 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:56.120 neurosurgeon said of an image that went viral in an interview, quote, 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:58.040 I was just sticking up for what I believe in, 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:01.840 advocating for equality and help through medical illustrations. I made 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:05.399 a deliberate action to constantly advocate that there'll be inclusion 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:09.920 of black people in medical literature. If you like me, 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:15.280 have seen the illustration making its realms on Twitter and 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:22.400 Instagram and Facebook of a pregnant woman who is black 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:25.960 and a fetus that she's carrying who's also black skin, 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:32.960 then you are familiar with his work. Have we reposted 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:35.840 that that is on our Instagram, So you can check 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:39.240 out Civic Cipher at Civic Cipher on Instagram and see 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:43.640 the image in question. But we wanted to shout him 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:45.640 out because we do believe that is an example of 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:48.840 Ebony excellence. Of course, working for inclusion. You know those 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:51.880 medical journals where the skin tone is always pink, and 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:55.920 you know, it doesn't really represent human beings, right because 0:03:56.280 --> 0:04:00.720 human beings, yeah, that's one type of person, but the 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:03.560 actual the original human beings obviously were brown skin folks. 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:08.680 And so he's doing his best to make that space 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:11.480 a little bit more equitable and fair. And so once 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:17.120 again shout out to chidebray Eb the Nigerian medical student. 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:25.440 Now onto some outcomes that we believe to be positive 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:28.880 this year. First things first, trials. 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:32.160 Talk to me, Okay, so do I need the pause 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:34.040 because you know we talk about trials, I end up. 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:37.200 Is a trigger response. 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:43.080 Yeah, but no, you know, there's we'll call it the 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:43.839 three out of four. 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:50.159 You know, obviously there's the written house trial that we 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:56.560 really felt didn't really reflect the spirit of brotherhood and this, 0:04:56.760 --> 0:04:59.920 you know what I mean, it just felt like, if 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:03.280 felt like an injustice to black folks. 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:06.240 And how he's been handled in the aftermath. Just pour 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:07.800 salt and that. 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:11.279 Won't absolutely but it's not about him today, talk to me. 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:14.599 It's about some of the things that we can look 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:19.400 back on and say maybe that is progress. So most 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:26.080 recently Kim Potter that admittedly we've talked about it on 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:29.680 the show, that is a very very very unfortunate thing. 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:34.400 I wouldn't say that we or anybody is happy that 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:38.920 Kim Potter is going to prison for shooting Daunte Wright 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:43.320 when she expected to grab her taser. But I do 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:47.159 believe that the people who would say that they're happy 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:53.640 with the outcome would more directly associate their happy feelings 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:58.159 with their being consequences where usually there are none. 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:02.480 And if anybody that's listened to our show, Ramses specifically 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:05.400 showed a lot of grace to officer, is. 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:07.320 It Potter, I believe it's Pottery. 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:11.960 Yeah, a lot of grace, and even giving her that 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:16.040 she made a mistake, I was not as graceful. I'll 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:19.880 admit that. And I don't not because I don't think 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:23.560 people are capable of mistakes or old mistakes. It's just 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:25.800 with twenty six years on the job and being the 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:30.680 person responsible for training the other officers, I'm sorry, you're 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:31.880 not allowed to make that mistake. 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:32.360 Not you. 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:37.480 Well, And to echo what Ramses just said, I think 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:41.159 the because it hasn't been celebratory. I haven't seen anybody 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:43.960 high fiving about the result. Yeah, that's what it's more like, 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:48.280 finally some accountability. Not finally she's going to jail her 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:52.039 specifically that it's more like, Okay, there's some consequence for 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:54.760 what she did. Sure not makes she roten hell. Excuse 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:58.120 my language, but yeah, you killed someone, there should be 0:06:58.160 --> 0:06:58.880 some consequences. 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:01.599 You made a really great point, I believe when we 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:04.120 did that episode where you said, if I get in 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:09.560 my car and I drive and I cause an accident, 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:14.400 even if it was an accident, there are consequences for that. 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:18.200 But if you're a police officer, typically you get to 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:22.200 hide behind qualified immunity or the blue wall of silence, 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:24.640 or any number of things that police have kind of 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:29.800 insulated themselves from consequences, right, And yes, absolutely I have it, 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:31.200 said it on the show, and I'll say it again. 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:33.679 I do believe that what she did was a mistake, 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:36.080 and my heart is broken for her. My heart is 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:38.680 also broken for the mother of Dante Wright and his 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:40.880 child has to grow up without a father, and you know, 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:43.840 on and on and on. It's just a heartbreaking scenario 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:49.680 all the way around. But I do recognize that in 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:55.680 my estimation, this woman made a mistake. And another positive 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:58.520 outcome for me is I believe that it helps me 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:04.239 with the argument that more training doesn't work. Better trained 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:07.120 officers doesn't work, which is something that a lot of 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:09.760 folks have been saying. Now we have a real world 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:12.960 example because not only was she trained, she was the 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:15.840 training she's the trainer r. And then what's the first 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:19.360 thing she does make a mistake? Right, So let's really 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:22.560 rethink this so that mistakes don't happen, not try to 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:24.240 put a band aid on it or say well, we 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:27.040 need better trained officers as though that's going to fix. 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:31.000 It, and specifically the type of mistake that kills someone. Yeah, 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:33.520 and I think that's what Ramses really is calling for. 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:36.559 We shouldn't have these officers in a position where their 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:39.120 mistake means you're gone forever. 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:41.360 Yes, and they have to bury you in the ground 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:45.920 and remember you. That just feels very unfair, right, But again, 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:53.520 consequences there obviously the Derek Shavin verdict for the man 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:57.240 who knelt on the neck of George Floyd that set 0:08:57.280 --> 0:08:59.920 off all the protests in twenty twenty him being sent 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:02.640 tens I believe it was like twenty two and a 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:05.880 half years sentenced or something like that. And then there 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:10.200 was a guilty plea for the civil case as well. 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:20.040 So that's another trial where we really didn't expect those outcomes. Yeah, 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:23.240 and we openly expected the opposite, right. We kind of 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:27.480 got conditioned to think that way though, right, right, And 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:35.040 to know that I don't want to say justice was served, 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:37.400 because it's not up to me to decide what justice 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:50.040 looks like, but accountability was considered enacted. Those things felt like, Okay, 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:54.920 that is fair, you know that, you know, because otherwise 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:59.040 if you don't even hold the officer accountable, it feels 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:02.240 very unfair. And allow me to remind you, you know, 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:04.720 this show has done a lot of growing in the 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:06.959 past year, and we've only been around for a year 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:10.800 and four months, and you know, you know, being on 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:16.880 in twenty five cities now around the country is that 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:19.920 that's like unprecedented growth for anything that I've ever seen. Right, 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:25.680 But I will say this, in addition to the support 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:28.760 that this type of program, this program specifically has received 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:33.760 in this type of programming, to know that folks are 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:38.560 looking at the phrase black lives matter now and there's 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:41.920 some people that will never see it any different from 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:44.080 an attack on who they are because they need it 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:47.160 to be that, because everything is attack on who they are, 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:50.600 an attack on who they are. But there are people 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:55.400 who have opened up to the idea that Black Lives 0:10:55.440 --> 0:11:01.120 Matter is not necessarily about quote unquot black on black crime, 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:05.360 because that's a convenient excuse for you know, the right 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:08.480 or the uneducated to throw in the face of Black 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:11.400 Lives Matter. Black Lives Matter was born out of a 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:17.800 lack of consequences when a non black person of authority, 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:21.120 typically a police officer, takes the life of a black 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:26.160 person needlessly and there are no consequences. Black Lives Matter 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:30.560 was literally born out of that. It was born off 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:36.240 of a string of police shootings culminating in George Zimmerman 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:45.800 taking the life of what's the boy's name, Trayvon Martin. 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:50.200 I was almost said Martin, but Trayvon Martin, and then 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:51.560 the hashtag took off. 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:55.080 Every time I think about that, it breaks my heart. Rams. Yeah, 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:59.240 of course, like George Zimmerman stalking and murdering Trayvon Martin 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:03.440 and there being no consequence for it. Once again, I'm 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:06.120 not you know not, I'm not saying he deserves the 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:07.640 electric chair or even. 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:12.040 A life for a life is yeah, just can can 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:13.960 we all sit in together. 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:16.640 And to be a celebrity and sign autographs and all 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:21.640 that while after that that that's like at least be sorry, Yeah, 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:24.520 mister Zimmerman, like go home and feel bad about what 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:28.200 you did. Not go on tour and autograph people's skittles rappers, 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:32.560 you know, to really shove it in his family's face 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:33.800 what you did? 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:34.440 You know what I mean? 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:38.120 Like, it's that's when it starts to feel beyond just unfair. 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:47.679 Man. So again, positive outcomes. You know, there's been a 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:49.720 lot of people who haven't really been a big fan 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:51.560 of No one was a fan of twenty twenty. But 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:53.400 there are people who looked at twenty twenty one like 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:56.520 it was an awful year or two. And you know, 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:59.760 I can't deny them their experience. But there were some 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:05.360 positive outcomes. And police accountability, we saw a couple of examples, 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:08.080 high profile examples of that. And that's not nothing. 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:15.400 And obviously, and as the resident pessimist, you go, I'm 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:17.480 just far less helpful. I think our audience knows this. 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:20.920 I know, you know, I'm just far less hopeful. I 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:25.400 can't even deny that there has been some progress made on. 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:31.640 That front, some accountability, and that again, it's not everything, 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:34.120 but it's not nothing. I do recognize our people listening 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:36.400 to our show that want more people that don't even 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:39.000 look like us, who want more electric chair you know, 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:42.440 and I get it, you know. But our job is 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:44.160 to tell the story the way that we need to 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:46.720 tell it, figure out how to best approach it as 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:50.200 a people, as brothers and sisters across racial lines and 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:54.880 sex lines and sexual orientation lines and so forth. We're 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:59.040 all in this together, and it every so often we 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:02.880 like to celebrate. I do want to say these names. 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:05.640 I haven't said them before on the show, but Travis McMichael, 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:09.760 Gregory McMichael, and William Bryan. Those are the folks who 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:15.600 hunted a Mode Aubrey and executed him in the street. 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:23.200 And they were also held accountable when initially they weren't. 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:25.520 I believe it took some months for them to even 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:27.040 have charges brought up against them. 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:32.040 Someone was actively working to actually keep them from from 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:34.280 having to deal with it right in a position of power, 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:39.000 right right exactly, a politician or a judge you know 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:39.520 better than me. 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:44.040 Yeah. But the point is is that again, that's not nothing. 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:47.520 That's something. Again, these aren't things to be happy about, 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:51.120 because these are all sad stories. But to know that 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:56.320 we're just not the gum on the bottom of people's 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:59.360 on the bottom of America's shoe. We'll say it that 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:03.160 way anymore. And that hey, listen, you can't just do 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:07.600 this and it'd be cool. You know. That is again, 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:13.000 it's not nothing, it is something. Moving on to other things. 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:22.760 June teenth, m M. June teen. So, you know, there 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:30.480 were a lot of folks that really wanted legislation passed 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:32.800 to protect black people, you know, in the same way 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:36.240 that there was legislation passed to protect our Asian brothers 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:38.600 and sisters. There are a lot of folks that wanted 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:43.640 a lot of promises to be kept, and those things 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:47.960 didn't happen yet. But I love that you put that 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:54.160 yet on there. Yeah yet. But June tenth was made 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:56.520 into a national holiday. And so there were some folks 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:59.280 who took exception to this, right because they're like, wait 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:01.760 a minute, you promise just this, and you gave us Juneteenth. 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:06.120 What we need is police reform, we need you know, 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:08.800 we need our ideas to be heard. We need some 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:14.360 tangible help, right, and you gave us Juneteenth. But I'm 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:22.840 here to say June teenth is not nothing. Right, So 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:25.600 my note here says that it was recognized as a 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:30.600 federal holiday as of June seventeenth, twenty twenty one. Right, 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:33.800 so that's this year or twenty twenty one at least. 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:38.240 And a little bit of history. It originated in Galveston, 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:41.960 Texas and has been celebrated annually on June nineteenth in 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:44.480 various parts of the United States since eighteen sixty five. 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:48.760 And you know, if you don't know, Juneteenth is when 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:52.520 the slaves in Texas found out that they were actually free, 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:56.760 which was some time after the actual emancipation of the slaves, 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:57.120 and so. 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:02.080 They were already free. Yeah, when they found out they 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:05.520 were free. And I'll let you guys process that two 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:09.879 hundred and some odd years no sorry, one hundred and 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:14.200 some odd years for to be recognized as a national holiday. 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:19.600 But that's not nothing, because forevermore, everyone has to take 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:22.320 a moment regardless. You know, we've had a lot of 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:27.480 conversations about CRT, but everyone's going to have to stop. 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:30.159 Why is the post office closed today? Why? You know 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:32.080 what I mean, and learn a little bit of history 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:34.160 about that. And even if you don't do a deep 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:39.880 dive like you should, there will be some conversation about, well, 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:41.960 this is the day that the slaves are freed and 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:47.280 for those inquiring minds where CRT hasn't been adopted as 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:52.920 necessary to educate and empower our youth, at least those 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:56.480 questions might be posed by folks who might see it 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:58.439 as more than just another day off of school. And 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:01.800 so June tenth as a national holiday, that's not nothing. 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:08.000 I'm happy for that, you know, and hopefully we all 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:13.000 are happy for them. Something else I want to talk 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:15.320 about now, this is a little bit closer to home, 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:23.119 I'll admit, but I say this all the time, you know, 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:25.160 on this show. I admit this all the time. I'll 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:31.080 stay on this show. We have been very critical of 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:38.320 policing as it is done now in this country. That 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:41.160 is not an attack on the people. That is an 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:44.320 attack on the system. And I don't even really consider 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:46.280 it an attack. That might not even be the right word. 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:51.639 I think of it as a critique, right because I 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:54.520 recognize that I can't use words like attack because I'm black. 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:56.360 And then you know, you know, it gets taken out 0:18:56.359 --> 0:19:02.119 of context. But you know, either way, the thrust is 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:08.639 the same. But that's the only way we charge it 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:12.080 to do better. These are where you're failing us. This 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:14.240 is where you need to work on doing better. You 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:16.920 need your civil servants, You need to serve the community. 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:20.240 We are the community, and this is what we feel, 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:23.320 this is how These are the outcomes that we really 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:25.240 have to deal with. This is what's left in the 0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:31.040 wake of your involvement with our lives. Right, And I 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:33.560 don't there's no one that can say that's an unfair 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:36.480 thing to say, because it's not. Anybody of any walk 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:38.440 of life would be able to say the same thing 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:43.199 about police or anyone with any authority over their body, 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:49.160 their physical being. Right now, knowing that on this show 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:52.800 we've been very critical of the way policing is done, 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:58.600 I recognize that they're that that the police could be 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:02.320 very upset, you know, I recognize that on you know, 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:05.840 in the communities around the country now, you know, they 0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:08.040 get in their cars and they drive around and they 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:11.640 might be listening to their local station, you know, community radio, 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:17.040 hip hop station, whatever it is, and come across our program. 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:21.439 You know, we're on it some some unusual hours in 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:25.399 some places, and uh, you know, those folks tend to 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:27.359 be up. Police officers tend to be up, driving around, 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:30.800 perhaps listening to the radio, and so they're subject to 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:34.240 hearing our thoughts on the way police and is done. 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:37.159 And I don't believe that we have been unfair, and 0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:40.199 if we've been wrong, we've owned it right. But I 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:42.919 will say this one thing that I'm proud of this 0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:49.560 year is that we've had police reach out to us 0:20:49.600 --> 0:20:53.000 and offer to come up and have conversations. 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:58.440 And the husband that police, he. 0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:03.119 Was a judge, judge just on the show, but in 0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:06.320 our studio with us to do a show with us, 0:21:06.560 --> 0:21:10.119 and we talked to him about defunding the police and 0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:13.679 about you know, some of the things that his wife 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:15.800 has come under fire for. And we talked to him 0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:17.840 about his own because as a judge, you know, you're 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:22.320 responsible for your own link in the criminal justice chain. 0:21:22.640 --> 0:21:26.000 We talked about but he's an awesome human being, an 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:28.760 amazing person, and we had a great conversation about it. 0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:30.480 And that's really the point of the show is to 0:21:30.520 --> 0:21:33.560 have the conversations. This is not the Chos Right show, 0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:35.720 this is not the Ramses Right show. Correct. 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:38.200 And also, because I don't know if you've ever said 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:42.800 this out loud, the fund the police. We're not talking 0:21:42.800 --> 0:21:46.119 about the person who you see in the cop car, 0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:50.840 whose hand you shake when you say hello, officer. Sure, right, 0:21:50.840 --> 0:21:52.879 because you pointed out that he was an amazing person. 0:21:52.960 --> 0:21:54.200 He is absolute. 0:21:54.680 --> 0:21:57.560 Government has never been that. There are not good people 0:21:57.600 --> 0:22:03.440 who wear badges. They work inside of what that uniform 0:22:03.560 --> 0:22:06.960 means and what policing has meant. The history of it 0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:10.000 in this country is just flawed. Yeah, we're not speaking 0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:14.160 individually and personally to each person, and we wouldn't. We've 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:16.840 never said that out loud. That's in my recollection. No, no, never, 0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:19.600 And like, because I just heard you say it, I'm 0:22:19.640 --> 0:22:21.840 sure that there have been plenty of police officers that 0:22:22.520 --> 0:22:24.800 may have heard our show and rhetoric similar to ours, 0:22:24.800 --> 0:22:27.240 and they take it very personally, because how can you not. Yeah, 0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:31.480 we've never meant it that way, but there is something 0:22:31.960 --> 0:22:35.560 very wrong with the way the job is done by 0:22:35.680 --> 0:22:38.240 way too many of the people that we trust to 0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:39.280 serve and protect us. 0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:46.680 I will add to that. So let me round this off. 0:22:47.600 --> 0:22:49.680 The officers that have listened to the show. I mean 0:22:49.880 --> 0:22:53.120 I remember coming across comments where folks talked about you 0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:55.960 and you're once upon a time desire to become an 0:22:56.000 --> 0:22:59.400 officer and actually going and applying and that whole process. 0:22:59.520 --> 0:23:02.520 Yeah, and tried multiple times. This wasn't like a one 0:23:02.560 --> 0:23:06.080 off thing that I just did flimsley like, went through 0:23:06.119 --> 0:23:09.600 the process. You know, those of you who are officers 0:23:09.600 --> 0:23:13.000 that listen, you know what the oral board is. The 0:23:13.160 --> 0:23:16.240 oral review. This is after your test, after your physical 0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:18.840 and written exam, after you've passed background checked. This is 0:23:18.920 --> 0:23:22.560 pre academy. And I wasn't able to pass the oral 0:23:22.600 --> 0:23:27.600 board because from what I experienced, it is not a 0:23:27.600 --> 0:23:29.200 flimsy hiring process. 0:23:30.240 --> 0:23:30.440 Right. 0:23:30.480 --> 0:23:32.680 There are just people who somehow slip through the cracks 0:23:32.760 --> 0:23:35.400 or maybe have some relationships and don't really carry out 0:23:35.400 --> 0:23:37.280 that duty the way that I think it should be. 0:23:37.840 --> 0:23:39.879 But that was something I really really wanted to do 0:23:39.920 --> 0:23:40.760 once upon a time. 0:23:40.960 --> 0:23:44.120 Sure, Sure, and for those officers that have reached out, 0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:48.639 they've been very fair and they've offered to come up 0:23:48.720 --> 0:23:51.399 and say that. And for those listening, that is a 0:23:51.440 --> 0:23:54.040 necessary conversation. I know a lot of people aren't going 0:23:54.080 --> 0:23:55.919 to rock with me on that one, but at some 0:23:56.000 --> 0:23:57.640 point in the future I very much want to have 0:23:57.720 --> 0:24:01.600 those conversations and have some guests folks contribute. As more 0:24:01.880 --> 0:24:04.600 black lives are executed in the streets, maybe these officers 0:24:04.680 --> 0:24:08.080 can help us shed some light on it. So that 0:24:08.200 --> 0:24:10.520 I believe is a positive thing that we've experienced in 0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:13.159 twenty twenty one. And while we're on the subject, the 0:24:13.160 --> 0:24:16.080 thing that I did want to mention is there was 0:24:16.119 --> 0:24:20.720 a story and I'm bringing this back those officers in Ohio. 0:24:21.480 --> 0:24:24.280 They were running into that gang fight, that gang shootout, 0:24:24.560 --> 0:24:29.439 and they were very heroic, They were very brave. And 0:24:29.480 --> 0:24:31.439 what do we call them? He called them brave and 0:24:31.480 --> 0:24:34.200 we call them he called them. He credit where it's due, right, 0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:35.639 And so it. 0:24:35.720 --> 0:24:38.440