1 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Serious XM Triumph Channel 2 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 1: one thirty two. I don't think that we're ever going 3 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 1: to get true justice on the service. We had heard 4 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: a report on TV about a body being found. It 5 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: was badly burned on the railroad tracks, but never did 6 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: we ever connected to two. We are two blocks from 7 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: where she was. If that had just knocked on the door, 8 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: walked the streets, we I don't We don't know if 9 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: we could have saved her life, but she wouldn't have 10 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: sat there for two days in a trash can. A 11 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: crime that's trikes terror into the hearts of parents across 12 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: our country. Uh wonderful, bright young couple carjacked after a 13 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: Saturday night date night and murdered in the most horrific 14 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: way you can imagine. Christopher Newsome tied up, shot in 15 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: the back of the head, dragged to a railway track, 16 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: and set on fire after a rape his girlfriend, twenty 17 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: one year old University of Tennessee student Shannon. Her fate 18 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: even more horrific. Her death comes after hours of torture 19 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: in which she was raped and tortured with a broken chair, 20 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: leg beaten bleach poured down her throat, and over her 21 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: bleeding body in an attempt to cover up evidence of rape. 22 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: All this occurred while she is alive. She's tied up 23 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: with curtains in a plastic bag put over her face. 24 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: According to the autopsy, she was suffocated to death. Nancy Grace, 25 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 1: Crime Stories, thank you for being with us. Straight out 26 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: to Pamela, her Crime Stories investigative reporter. In the last hours, 27 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: someone has appeared in court. I want the truth of 28 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: what happened that night, and I want all murderers brought 29 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: to justice in this case. Pam please start at the beginning. 30 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: What happened. I'm looking at photos of Shannon Christian right 31 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: now and her boyfriend, Christopher Newsome. They're so happy, they're 32 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: so young, they're so in love. Start at the beginning, Pamela. 33 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: What happened while out on a date. Chris Newsome and 34 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: Shannon Christian were carjacked from an apartment complex by Lamaricus 35 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: Davidson and Latalvis Cobbins, their two brothers, and they had 36 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: their buddy, Eric Boyd with them. The car jacking apparently 37 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: turned immediately into a kidnapping because another vehicle came up 38 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: on them in the parking lot. Their headlights shone into 39 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: the car, and these guys freaked out. They didn't know 40 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: what to do, so they decided to throw the young 41 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 1: couple back into the car and they drove to a 42 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: house nearby that the two brothers were renting. It was 43 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: on Chipman Street in Knoxville. And this is where the 44 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: real nightmare begins. Take a listen now to what the 45 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: victims parents understand happened the night their children were murdered. 46 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: The phone run that night and he spoke to spoke 47 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: to her on the phone. She called to check in 48 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: to let us know that she was coming home rather 49 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: than um standing cares that night. And I sat up 50 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: and she never came home. We had not seen him 51 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: since Saturday night, which that's that's not unusual. He was 52 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: twenty three years old and he kind of came and went, 53 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: you know, with not a whole lot of restrictions at 54 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 1: that age. And the way we discovered he was missing 55 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:23,359 Speaker 1: was challenge. Mother Dina called and said it Shannon didn't 56 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: show up for work. I got a phone call and 57 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: it said man that that there's something going on up 58 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: here at this house by the trash place. And then 59 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: I got another call that said that he that they 60 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: thought that they had found her because or somebody, because 61 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: they were bringing in there was an ambulance that he 62 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: just got in there. Detective Snoderly says, it's Chris, and 63 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: we asked, how do you know? And should I recognized 64 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 1: him by his eyes? Everything fell apart at that moment. 65 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: This is what we know. Um. Chris was a talented carpenter, 66 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 1: a former baseball player and college senior. Shannon had gone 67 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: to a friend's home after a date night at a 68 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: movie and a local restaurant. They were held up at 69 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: gunpoint in carjacked, forced to drive to an old home 70 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: in one of Knotsville's toughest neighborhoods, where they were approached 71 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: by their captors, some of them X cons, and then 72 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: lived through a nightmare no parent wants to imagine could 73 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: ever happen to their child, Pamela. Investigators say Newsome, he's 74 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 1: the young man. At one point was taken to the 75 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: railroad tracks near the house. He was made to walk 76 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: their barefoot. They'd beaten him up quite a bit before 77 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: this happened, but they made him walk barefoot. He was 78 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: then raped, bound, gagged, shot three times. One of those 79 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 1: shots in the head execution style. He was then wrapped 80 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: with some sort of comforter, doused with gasoline, and then 81 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: set on fire. Now, while this was happening, the young girl, 82 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: Shannon Christian was tied up. She was raped in every 83 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,919 Speaker 1: way imaginable. Evidence shows at some point she was savagely 84 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: beaten in her vaginal area. This young girl had also 85 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 1: suffered blows to the head at one point dragged into 86 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: the living room of the house, and, in what investigators 87 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: say was an attempt to destroy d NA bleach, was 88 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: sprayed down her throat. We're also told she was later 89 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,119 Speaker 1: hog tied, and while she was still alive, her body 90 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: was encased in black garbage bags, and then her head 91 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: was wrapped with a plastic grocery bag. She was then 92 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: stuffed into a garbage can, left to die slowly in 93 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:07,359 Speaker 1: pain suffocating. These two did not die quickly, y'all. It 94 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: was a very, very savage way for both of these 95 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: young people to go. I want you to listen to 96 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: Shannon's dad describing the kidnapped. Do you know how quick 97 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: to Shannon and Chris at that chart car jack and 98 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: went down boom, You come down your stairs and you 99 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: go get in the car. And you are cranking your 100 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: car and your boyfriend gets inside the door. They're gonna 101 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: get him a little sugar boom, there's a gun in 102 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: the back of your head, and some big sucker gets 103 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: in your forerunner and puts a gun on you, just 104 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: like it's done. Pamela for a Crime Stories investigative reporter. 105 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: One of the alleged murderers has just been in court. 106 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: How has he brought in, Pamela. Five people were convicted 107 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: in the murders of these two young people. Let's start 108 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: with what investigators called the ringleader, Americus Davidson. He was 109 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: found guilty on all counts and sentenced to death. We 110 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: do have the death penalty still here in the state 111 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: of Tennessee, and he was indeed sentenced to death. His brother, 112 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: la Talbis Cobbins was guilt, found guilty of murder and 113 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: facilitation of murder. He was sentenced to life in prison 114 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: without the possibility of parole. Another man who was involved 115 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: in all of this, George Thomas, guilty on all counts, 116 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: sentenced to life without parole originally, but later he was 117 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: granted a retrial and he was convicted on almost all 118 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 1: of the same charges, but this time sentenced to life 119 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: with the possibility of parole after fifty one years. But 120 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: nessa Coleman, she's the only female involved in this case. 121 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: She was found guilty of facilitation of Christians murder, kidnapping 122 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: and rape, sentenced to fifty three years in prison originally, 123 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 1: but was later retried and convicted on lesser charges and 124 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: sentenced to three years. That brings us to Eric Boyd. Now, 125 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: at first he was only convicted of hiding Davidson after 126 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: the slaying. Right, he was hiding the ringleader Lamericus Davidson 127 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: uh and didn't bring him to authorities who were looking 128 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: for him. So at this point he was sentenced to 129 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: eighteen years in prison. But now eleven years later, prosecutors 130 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,079 Speaker 1: believe they have enough to charge him with murder. Well, 131 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: this is what I don't understand. To Ashley Wilcott joining me, 132 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: founder of child crime watch dot com, juvenile judge and lawyer, Ashley, 133 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: it seems to me that one of the other killers 134 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: these two young people murder after horrific torture. We're both 135 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: the man and the woman the young girl were raped 136 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: and then tortured and murdered. It seems to me that 137 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: one of the others would have given state's evidence against 138 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: the last one. No, right, I would think so too. 139 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: I don't know why not, And it does beg the 140 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: question for me. Did the state not give any kind 141 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: of deal, any kind of something to try to get 142 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: them to do that? I'm surprised as well, you know, 143 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 1: to Karen Stork, renowned psychologists joining us out of New York. Karen, 144 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: the pack mentality when people get together, and here you've 145 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: got a bunch of ex cons number one. But when 146 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: people get together, they do things they would not normally 147 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: do on their own. And I believe that's how these 148 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: two young people, Shannon Christian just twenty one and boyfriend 149 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: Christopher Christopher Newsome were murdered. That's that's correct, Nancy. Pack 150 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: mentality is the right way to describe it. You find 151 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: that people will be more likely to commit a crime, 152 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: go along with what the rest of the pack is doing, 153 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: and become highly influenced by the behavior of those around them. 154 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: So and especially if one of the people that's in 155 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:14,199 Speaker 1: charge of this group where has a health personality, um 156 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: seems to be approving it, and you know, okaying the 157 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: fact that they can do this, well, another thing that 158 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: is really disturbing. To top it all off, is there 159 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:32,959 Speaker 1: is a female involved in this horrific double murder. A female, 160 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: Vanessa Coleman is involved as well to Pamela for a 161 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: Crime Stories investigative reporter. How why is a woman involved 162 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: with a bunch of ex cons who car jack, sodomize, rape, 163 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: torture this young couple who all they did was go 164 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: out to a movie that night. How does she get 165 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 1: into evolved involved in this? She was at the house 166 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: and investigators believe she's the one that raped young Channon 167 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: Christian with objects and also beat her pretty savagely in 168 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: her vaginal area. So this was a brutal thing this 169 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: woman did to another woman, but again was later retried, 170 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: convicted on lesser charges, and sentenced to thirty five years 171 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: in prison. Four males, one female first arrested and in 172 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: the last hours another purpose brought into court on rape, theft, kidnapping, robbery, 173 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: capital murder, and carjack. And you know, fifty years isn't enough. 174 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: This is a death penalty case. We also know four 175 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 1: of them had multiple prior felony convictions. Now what what 176 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: I don't understand is how one of them walked away 177 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:53,199 Speaker 1: with just time behind bars. Everybody, all of them should 178 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: stew in the same pot together with the death penalty. 179 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: Prosecutors say they didn't have enough evidence against Boyd at all, 180 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: and what they did have was circumstantial, so they decided 181 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: to go after him for what they believed could actually 182 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: bring a conviction. So what's changed, To be honest, we 183 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: really don't know. Prosecutors aren't saying much at all, but 184 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: we do know technology has gotten better in the last 185 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: eleven years, so perhaps DNA evidence. He's being charged with 186 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: thirty six counts. They include first degree murder, felony murder, 187 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: especially aggravated robbery, especially aggravated kidnapping, and aggravated rape. And 188 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: in the state of Tennessee, he could get the death penalty. 189 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: Prosecutors are not saying yet if they're going to go 190 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: for it, but they could take a listen now to 191 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 1: the victim's parents, anybody that knew Chris was his friend, 192 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: and and he had a smile that everybody just loved. 193 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: She was a typical girl. I mean, she wasn't perfect, 194 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:56,839 Speaker 1: nobody's perfect, but she was never gave us any trouble, 195 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: always did well in school. She was beautiful. But what 196 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: made or even more beautiful was the fact that she 197 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: was not stuck on herself. Two weeks before this happened. 198 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: Chris had that motorcycle at the time, and he loved it. 199 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: He wrote it all the time, and we were always 200 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,319 Speaker 1: afraid for him when he rode the motorcycle. We didn't 201 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 1: want anything to happen, and he knew that we were 202 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: scared about him writing it. And he called me one 203 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: afternoon and said, Mom, I've sold my bike and I 204 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: said you have, Chris. I said why did you do that? 205 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: And he said, because I want a life. And that 206 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: just haunts me now that he said that. In two 207 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: weeks later, here he is dead. It just haunts me. 208 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: They raped him, they tortured him, they beat him, then 209 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: they killed him. It's not a normal murder. Christian and 210 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: shannonon leaving together that January evening when they were carjacked, kidnapped, sodomized, 211 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: raped and murdered. The purps pouring bleach across Shannon's body 212 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: to hide evidence of rape. Police recover an envelope from 213 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: the vehicle that yielded a fingerprint, a fingerprint that led 214 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: them to one of the killers. Just two blocks away 215 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: from Christian's car one body. Newsom's body discovered near a 216 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: set of railroad tracks. He had been bound, blindfolded, gagged, stripped, 217 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: naked from the waist down and shot in the back 218 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: of the head. And only now are we learning the 219 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: final perpetrator being brought to justice two and Bremner, high 220 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: profile Seattle lawyer, joining me, what took so long? And well, 221 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: of course we did have retrials in this case. But 222 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: when we look at Eric Boyd, he he was convicted 223 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: of accessory after the fact or rendering criminal system, which 224 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: is not as serious, of course as aggravated first degree murder. 225 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: And it looks like they were looking for evidence for 226 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: quite some time to basically take that time of his 227 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: participation back from just before the murders in any way, 228 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: because as you know, you're in for a time, you're 229 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: in for a dollar, and that would make him complicit 230 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: as a principal for murder one under felony murder, which 231 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: was one of the indictments, or as being a direct participant. 232 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: Prosecutors certainly are will be working very very hard to 233 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: make sure they get this one right. There were two 234 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: of those convicted in the murders in this case, their 235 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: trials or their convictions were overturned. It didn't have anything 236 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: to do with the prosecution the judges. The judge in 237 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: those cases actually was involved in some sort of pill 238 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: scandal and so their convictions were overturned. In the middle 239 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: of all of that, they were retried. The good news 240 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: is they were convicted, but they don't want to get 241 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: anything wrong. In this case with Eric Boyd, he was convicted, 242 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: sentenced to eighteen years, but not or murder, and not 243 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: for aggravated rape, but harboring the ringleader in this case. 244 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: So this is a big, deep thing. Else had to 245 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: come up. They had to be working on this for 246 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: a long time. They got four of them. One of 247 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: them got the death penalty. But in this instance he 248 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 1: was going to be paroled in two thousand and twenty two, 249 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: and time was of the essence really to get him 250 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 1: back in. So I'm very anxious to see what they have. Well, 251 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I think they've got. His own 252 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: words apparently are going to be used against him. To 253 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: Vincent Hill, a private investigator, When will anybody learn, actually 254 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: I hope they don't that they're jail house phone calls 255 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 1: are taped. Vincent. I mean, think back on top mom 256 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 1: Casey Anthony and all the hate she spewed on not 257 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: only tape recorder, but video recorded visits with her parents. 258 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: Jail house phone calls are recorded, Vincent. Yeah, absolutely, And 259 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: the good thing about criminals is they're not too smart, 260 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: even though they believe they are so. Yeah, as long 261 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: as people talk, then people will find themselves in the 262 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: exact same situation this guy has found himself in. We 263 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: have long known the state needed more evidence to finish 264 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 1: this case. What is the evidence? Police and prosecutors are 265 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 1: being tight lipped, but we have reason to believe that 266 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: it is recorded jail house conversations. Eric Boy's own words, 267 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: maybe evidence used against him and the Christian knew some 268 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: torture slings. And you know what that means. That means 269 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: to Pamela for a Crime Stories investigative reporter, that somebody 270 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:40,719 Speaker 1: has to sit there and listen and listen and listen, 271 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: combing through jail house audio to find exactly what their 272 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: lists what they're looking for, Pamper. We've also seen the 273 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 1: witness list and what's interesting is this several people from 274 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: the Blunt County Sheriff's office are on it. Boyd was 275 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: housed in the Blunt County Jail while he was awaiting 276 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: his first trial, and he stayed there up until his conviction, 277 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: so that suggests he may have been talking a lot 278 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 1: while Holly was behind bars. There are two BCSO corrections 279 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: officers and a former BCSO jail investigator on that list, 280 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: and as you well know, phone conversations are recorded between 281 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: the incarcerated and anyone on the outside. Only now are 282 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: we learning the final perpetrator being brought to justice. Boyd 283 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: has appeared before a judge. He was assigned an attorney 284 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 1: to defend him. A tentative trial date has been set 285 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: for September the tenth, and a status hearing is set 286 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: for June the six. In fact, the parents of both 287 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: of these young people were ecstatic when they heard that 288 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: the prosecutors were going to go after Eric Boyd for 289 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: actual murder charges, because the parents believed all along that 290 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: he had a bigger role in their children's murder. In fact, 291 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: the Knoxville News Sentinel talked to the parents. Take a 292 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 1: listen out to the victim's parents speaking out, it's about time. 293 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:12,719 Speaker 1: We've been trying to get something done for well, ever 294 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: since the trials were over. From everything that we've heard 295 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: through seven trials and everything that we um no from 296 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: bits and pieces of evidence testimony. UH, it's never been 297 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 1: a doubt in our mind that Eric Boyd was at 298 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 1: the car jacking. UH. He was one of the ones 299 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: that got in the forerunner with UH. That Foreshannon and 300 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: Chris into the forerunner with them. UM. We knew he 301 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: was guilty, and there was a time when we were 302 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 1: in the very beginning we tried to get the federal 303 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: prosecutors to go for more than what they did when 304 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 1: they tried him for accessory after the fact, but they 305 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: didn't have for the state court. They didn't feel like 306 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: they had enough. And obviously things have changed, and thirty 307 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: six counts I think shows that the disc Attorney's office 308 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: is pretty much convinced that he is guilty. So i'm i'm, 309 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: i'm personally, we're we're glad that he's finally here, but 310 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: we wanted to be here and we were kind of 311 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 1: Boyd's process. We went through your mind when you first 312 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: saw them. His presence has changed him out. You look 313 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: a lot different now than he did before. He he 314 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 1: looked a lot tougher before, and now he looks like 315 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 1: he's been relaxed, good shape, like he's you know, BOI 316 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: been arrested and he just looks a lot different. Did 317 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: you feel any emotions? We do some. I mean, this 318 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 1: is the first time in years that you've probably seen 319 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: him in person, right, it is, But I really didn't 320 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 1: feel anything. I just looked at him, but I just 321 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: really didn't have any emotions. If I had any emotions 322 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: that I could say, they they would not be anything 323 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: that's really mentioned the bullet. It was just kind of 324 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: like dumb glad to see him now in a court 325 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: room facing a murder chart, because yes, that that is 326 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 1: I'm very glad about that. That's where he should have 327 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: been to begin with. It's been a long time, but 328 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: it's finally come. What's justice for you? What would you 329 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: like to see happened to him? Well, I would like 330 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: to see him guilty. I'd like to see him convicted 331 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 1: on all thirty four accounts. That's that's thirty six and 332 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: that's that's what he should be found on. That would 333 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: be justice for us. Just the thoughts of another trial 334 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: having to relive this again. Is this gonna be hard 335 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: for you? No? No, no, Because I'm this is the 336 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,479 Speaker 1: one that you matter the most to me. After seven trials, 337 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: you kind of get used to the environment and that's 338 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: not going to be any major pain for us. You know. Um, 339 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 1: sometimes pain and hurt never goes away. I want you 340 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: to listen to Shannon's dad. I'd be sent in that 341 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: chair and she would come I bet a thousand times, 342 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 1: and slide right over the arm of that chair, m 343 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 1: and setting my lap. She was a tall, long legg 344 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,640 Speaker 1: at her feet still dragging the ground, but she would 345 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: set in my lap, put her arm around me and 346 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: look at me a certain way, daddy, and I would 347 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 1: get this feeling that would come over me, like this 348 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: is gonna cost me. If I sit down in that 349 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: chair and shut my eyes, I can feel her do it, 350 00:24:54,960 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: and it sure feels good. And when I opened them, 351 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: I got arrage in me. You wouldn't believe I hate 352 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: in me. That ain't normal. We still yet have to 353 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: deal with it on our own, and that is something 354 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: like where we faced day to day. We can't bring 355 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: her back. These two just one minding their own business, 356 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: going out to dinner in a movie carjacked, brutally tortured 357 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 1: and murdered. It's taken years, but remember justice never sleeps. 358 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 1: A mother of three is arrested after feeding her baby daughter, 359 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: according to police, mac and cheese made with marijuana. What 360 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: Alan do? What happened? It was dinner time in this 361 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: Arizona home where this uh mom had cooked up a 362 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: special dish for her husband, Elena Marie Lampert. She's twenty 363 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: five years old in Tempe. She made some mac and 364 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 1: cheese and her husband decided to share it with little 365 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 1: the little twenty one month old daughter. There was a 366 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: problem with that, though, and they noticed it quickly when 367 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: the child started acting strangely. Turned out that ms Limpert 368 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: had used t HC butter. That's a chemical that comes 369 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: out of marijuana in the mac and cheese, and so 370 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: their young daughter was high. I mean, hold on with me, 371 00:26:56,040 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: renowned guest Dr Maroney, Medical examiner, Dr Maroney, I I'm 372 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:09,719 Speaker 1: overwhelmed that a twenty one month old child, this Arizona 373 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: mom behind bars after her child just twenty one months old, 374 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: has mac and cheese. I mean, Dr Maroney, My children 375 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: would eat mac and cheese for every meal, that eat 376 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: it in their sleep if I would let them. They're 377 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: like addicts. All kids love mac and cheese. But I 378 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 1: don't make it with th HC. Dr Maroney, what is 379 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,719 Speaker 1: mac and cheese? For those of you just joining us 380 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: with us, Dr William Maroney. Dr Maroney, what is th HC? 381 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: HC is tetra hydrocannabinol. It's a chemical that's produced inside 382 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 1: the cannabis plant. That's why it's called the cannabinol. There's 383 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: a fifty or sixty different chemicals that are produced, but 384 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:03,360 Speaker 1: it's considered to be the act div psychotropic. It has 385 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: brain UH stimulating activities, and in twenty one month old 386 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: children it can cause high blood pressure, sleeping, cachacardia delusions, 387 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: and this child right after eating it should have gone 388 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: to the emergency room for monitoring and maybe a pediatric 389 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: I see you. This is the problem when we introduce 390 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: cannabis ambiguously into the society and cannabis products. When you're 391 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: saying cannabis marijuana, yes, any time you take a part 392 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: of a marijuana plants and you break it down into 393 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: the chemicals that HC. Cannabis can refer to the flowers, 394 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: that can refer to the leaves, It can or to extracts, 395 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: but in all those the active drug is captura hydrocannabinol. 396 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: And there's no place that's like giving opium to one 397 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: month old, that's like giving vodka to one month The 398 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: untoward consequences are outrageous. And you have the duality of 399 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: ambiguous cannabis policy that you can sell tetra hydrocannabinol in 400 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: butter and once you get into the home, there's no 401 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: control out on what happens to it. That's the problem 402 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: with I mean, didn't you see this coming when marijuana 403 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: was legalized in two thousand and eight, when they said, okay, 404 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: we can do this, will make it medical. But then 405 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 1: none of the containers that medical uh cannabis, medical marijuana 406 00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: was sold in, none of more child proof. So I'm 407 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: just sick because when you're saying with me is now 408 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: medical examiner Dr William Moroney, author of a brand new book, 409 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: American Narcan that you can see on Amazon, Dr Maroney. 410 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: When I think of a twenty one month old child 411 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: having delusions, I mean, this is not a very good comparison. 412 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: But I remember when I gave my beloved pet cat Nip. 413 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: Coco was so afraid he ran under the bed and hid. 414 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: He had these wild eyes. He was afraid of everything. 415 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: And this is a cat that was an attack cat. 416 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: He would attack grown guys. Okay, he was out of 417 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: his mind. I felt so bad because it was my fault. Here, 418 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: this is a baby, a twenty one month old baby 419 00:30:52,760 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: girl who is suffering delusions from pot and possible tachocardia. 420 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: What is tachycardia? The early effects of th HC in 421 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: naive patients adults and children and babies would be an 422 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: elevation and heart rate fast bamam or elevation and blood 423 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: pressure that's not good. And then long term exposure the 424 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: same time later it slows the heart down and makes 425 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: it more difficult and puts them asleep. Cannabis toxicity in 426 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: the e er. When people come in with cannabis toxic events, 427 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: if it's slowed them down, it makes their muscles flaccid 428 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: and it's difficult for them to breathe. And this would 429 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: happen in a baby. Maybe even intubation that's where they 430 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: put you up to a ventilator because he can't breathe 431 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 1: anymore because of the effects of the fun intubation you mean, 432 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: wait a minute, incubations when they stick u tube down 433 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: your throat. Term effects of that naive exposure to cannabis 434 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: and a baby, it's gonna stop breathing. But that's not 435 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 1: the end of it, joining me Dr Brian Russell, in 436 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: addition to Dr William Moroney, author of American Narcan, Dr 437 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: Brian Russell, host of the hit show Fatal Vows On investigation, discovery, 438 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: psychologist and lawyer Dr Brian Russell, That's so not the 439 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: end of it, because as a little twenty one month 440 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: old baby girl is having delusions from pot marijuana. Her 441 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: mom Feder and her mac and cheese. Mommy sees the 442 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: little girl freaking out and having delusions, and instead of 443 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: rushing go to the hospital, the mother starts laughing. Elaina 444 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: Marie Limpert, I mean, last night Lucy Santa Claus and 445 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: his wisdom brought her a balance beam and a bunch 446 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: of gymnastics stuff which is still sitting in the middle 447 00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: of the den floor for her to play with. She 448 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: fell on it last night. I mean, it wasn't serious, 449 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: but I couldn't run over there fast enough and then 450 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: try to pretend to help her walk her back to 451 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: the sofa like she's really hurt. But I was afraid 452 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 1: maybe she's skinned her knee. All right, and my son 453 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 1: had soccer yesterday, Dot Russell. He came. When I got 454 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: him home, I looked at his leg. It was covered 455 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 1: with like burns from the grass. We immediately cleaned it 456 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: and put back teine all over it. Dr Brian Russell. 457 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: They started laughing, the mother and the father started laughing 458 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: at the little girl. Yeah. I mean, as if it 459 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: weren't irresponsible and and negligent enough to let a situation 460 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 1: happen in that household allegedly where the kid got access 461 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 1: to uh marijuana. Here we now have the parents finding 462 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: out about it and allegedly not even uh not even 463 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: being concerned, not taking the kid to the emergency room, 464 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 1: as Dr Maroney said, would have been the responsible thing 465 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: to do, but but actually thinking it was funny to 466 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,399 Speaker 1: see the effects of marijuana intoxication on this little little kid. 467 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 1: And this is the problem that I always point out 468 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 1: to the marijuana legalization crowd. You know, I don't care 469 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 1: if an adult wants to uh, you know, uh fry 470 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: their mind on whatever in their privacy of their own home. Uh. 471 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 1: It would be fine with me if there were no 472 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,319 Speaker 1: way for that behavior to end up affecting the rest 473 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 1: of us. But that's always the problem. And if you 474 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 1: ask one of these legalization activists, Well, in exchange for 475 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: the freedom to use this that you say you wanted 476 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: the freedom to do, are you willing to agree that 477 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 1: if you ever use it in such a way that 478 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: it gets around a child, or you ever use it 479 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: when you're supposed to be parenting a child, or you 480 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: ever end up on the road intoxicated on it, you've 481 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: got a mandatory minimum five years behind bars. They say no, 482 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: they want the freedom without the responsibility, and that we 483 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: can't hear. Okay, Dr Brian Russell, I know you. You 484 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 1: think you've seen it all. That's what I always think too. 485 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 1: After all the cases I prosecuted, all the bad guys 486 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 1: they put in jail, all the cases I cover, I think, well, 487 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,760 Speaker 1: I've seen it all. Well, here's a shock you haven't. 488 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 1: Not only did they start laughing at the twenty one 489 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 1: month old baby girl tripping thanks to mommy feeding her 490 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: potner mac and cheese. Dr Brian Russell, I hope you 491 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:44,959 Speaker 1: are sitting down. They then take her outside and throw 492 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 1: her in a pool to quote shock her out of 493 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: the high A twenty one month old baby then put 494 00:35:55,280 --> 00:36:00,320 Speaker 1: in the backyard pool the cold water. They say, too, nowker, 495 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: Dr Russell, help me out well, I mean, these people 496 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 1: need to be tarred and feathered, the mother and the father. 497 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 1: And why isn't the dad behind mars? Why is just 498 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 1: the mom arrested? But let me start with the pool. 499 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: Dr Russell, that's a great question. Why they're not both 500 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 1: arrested and and the pool that the idea that they're uh, 501 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 1: their concern allegedly for this kid was so little that 502 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,359 Speaker 1: they thought that, well, maybe we'll splash some cold water 503 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 1: from the pool on the child and and that will 504 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:40,240 Speaker 1: be the extent of our our treatment for this intoxication 505 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,439 Speaker 1: that we've allowed to happen in the house. Is enough 506 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 1: for me, as somebody who's been an expert in child 507 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: custody cases, to say, I wouldn't be comfortable with that 508 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 1: child ever going back to that household with these two, 509 00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 1: I agree with you, Dr Brian Russell. UH. Dr William Moroney, 510 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,840 Speaker 1: renowned medical examiner, author of a new book American Narkan. 511 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 1: Dr Maroney. Apparently the Department Child Safety in Arizona feels 512 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 1: the same way because they have removed her other children 513 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 1: and she's in court whining and carrying on. Take a 514 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,719 Speaker 1: listen to the mom here. She is in court and 515 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 1: she breaks down and starts crying. She's a temper Arizona 516 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 1: mom who allegedly makes marijuana mac and cheese Atlanta Marie 517 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,399 Speaker 1: Limpert and feeds it to her twenty one month old 518 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 1: little girl. Listen, state your name and data birth Elanta 519 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:42,279 Speaker 1: Murray Lampert. Okay, you're here on a superior court in 520 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,840 Speaker 1: new case a legend one count of child abuse, Class 521 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 1: four felony. I've appointed a lawyer to represent you. Your 522 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 1: next hearing will be a status conference on April nine, 523 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,400 Speaker 1: eight thirty. I am going to release you to pre 524 00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: trial services with drug testing and monitoring and on an 525 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:05,839 Speaker 1: ankle monitor. And you will have a number of conditions 526 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 1: including you will have to have times you're leaving of 527 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:16,239 Speaker 1: the house will be restricted by the hours set or 528 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 1: approved by your pre trial officers. You will have no 529 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 1: contact with any children mine or children mine any of 530 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:29,320 Speaker 1: your children. You will not have any contact with any miners, 531 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 1: including the alleged victim. Okay, and um, no contact with 532 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:42,840 Speaker 1: the if you have any code defendant on this case, Adant. Sorry, 533 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,239 Speaker 1: I don't know if you're the alleged father has been 534 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 1: charged or not. If he has not, then you can 535 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 1: have contact, but you will not have any contact with 536 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:57,239 Speaker 1: any miners. He has not been charged during all Right, 537 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 1: another thing to Dr William but Moreau me the father 538 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 1: allegedly didn't know about the THHC until after the little 539 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,560 Speaker 1: girl ate it. But I don't care because while the 540 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,720 Speaker 1: little girl is a he knows it's in the house 541 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:19,400 Speaker 1: number one. Because this woman, the mother, his wife, she is, 542 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 1: let me just say, a marijuana enthusiast. She is listed 543 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 1: as a CEO at Marijuana Demographic and has images with 544 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 1: marijuana paraphernalia on all of her social media. In the 545 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:41,280 Speaker 1: home there are two marijuana grow tents, twenty plants, mushrooms, bongs, pipes, 546 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,160 Speaker 1: hash oil, and the fridge there are three large tubs 547 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,840 Speaker 1: of th HC butter. So she breaks down and chriest 548 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 1: at the court appearance. But long story short, what about 549 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,799 Speaker 1: the dad Because when the little girl, the twenty one 550 00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 1: month old Todd starts tripping, he starts laughing. But your 551 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,719 Speaker 1: in the cold water in the backyard. Why why isn't 552 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,280 Speaker 1: he behind bars? Here's what I would say. He didn't 553 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 1: prepare the butter, he didn't prepare the meal, and he 554 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:19,319 Speaker 1: only had access to that knowledge after. Here's the hard 555 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:24,440 Speaker 1: part about this They recognized that there was something wrong 556 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 1: because they went to the pool, but they didn't have 557 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:36,880 Speaker 1: enough concern to bring it to somebody's attention medically. So 558 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:41,080 Speaker 1: you can't say that they didn't know because they recognized 559 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,960 Speaker 1: they needed something, but they chose a pool instead of 560 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,840 Speaker 1: a best practice medical examina uh and e er and 561 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,560 Speaker 1: urgent care to bring it or to call you know, 562 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,520 Speaker 1: how do you what if there were seizures? What happens 563 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 1: if they gave this to a child? Child and a 564 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,800 Speaker 1: child had caesars? What if there was they stopped breathing? 565 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:09,239 Speaker 1: You call? You would call all the time if you 566 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:14,480 Speaker 1: couldn't take the child. So, um, there's not a lot 567 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 1: of parental support here. This goes way beyond parenting classes. 568 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:24,040 Speaker 1: There's ethical and moral debates about how they care for 569 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,200 Speaker 1: their children. Guys, we were talking about a temper Arizona 570 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:32,440 Speaker 1: mother who has marijuana throughout the home, three large tubs 571 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:37,720 Speaker 1: of marijuana butter that she used to make mac and cheese. 572 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:44,000 Speaker 1: Her daughter twenty one months old, starts tripping, likely delusions, 573 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 1: and they put her in the cold water in the 574 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:51,640 Speaker 1: outdoor pool. Mom behind bars right now, let me just 575 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:58,880 Speaker 1: say a marijuana enthusiast Dr William Moroney, what about the 576 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:08,719 Speaker 1: incidents of deaths, um car crashes, other forms of death 577 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:13,880 Speaker 1: related to the legalization of marijuana. Where does that stand 578 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:18,840 Speaker 1: right now? I can tell you based on um state 579 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:26,640 Speaker 1: police studies that we have fift of fatal car crashes 580 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:36,480 Speaker 1: our marijuana positive contributing two the fatal crash. This is 581 00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:42,480 Speaker 1: not a small problem. And as states roll out cannabis 582 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:47,600 Speaker 1: rights and cannabis access, that's going to go up because 583 00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 1: the preceding decade has fed a false dialogue of oh, 584 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,279 Speaker 1: this is safer than beer. Oh well, this isn't that bad. 585 00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:03,160 Speaker 1: Oh this doesn't cause no any abstance. It's it's it's 586 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,680 Speaker 1: never an argument of this is safer than beers, so 587 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:12,000 Speaker 1: you can drive. They're both bad. It's it's a false choice. 588 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,959 Speaker 1: There are not a good and a bad here. There's 589 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:19,880 Speaker 1: a bad and a bad. We know that fatal crashes 590 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,840 Speaker 1: are up in Colorado, but you know what else we 591 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:33,319 Speaker 1: know toxic emergency room pediatric exposures are up in Colorado. 592 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:39,120 Speaker 1: So they did not think out the access here to 593 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:44,640 Speaker 1: give adults access to cannabis and to prevent pediatric exposures, 594 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:51,520 Speaker 1: to prevent fatal motor vehicle crashes, they're up and the 595 00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:55,840 Speaker 1: only reason they got away with the safe dialogue is 596 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,360 Speaker 1: there wasn't enough time to measure it. When we finish 597 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:04,040 Speaker 1: a full decade, people will understand the woe and will 598 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:09,400 Speaker 1: have cannabis on the wrong side of fatal motor vehicle crashes. 599 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,200 Speaker 1: You can't judge that it's safe in one or two years. 600 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,600 Speaker 1: You have to look for five or six, and we're 601 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:20,120 Speaker 1: beginning to see that roll in a fatal car crashes. 602 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:25,399 Speaker 1: Our cannabis pozzi in in toxicology, in the autopsy. That's 603 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,960 Speaker 1: it's a prostination. You know, I I don't understand it. 604 00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:34,280 Speaker 1: To Dr Brian Russell, host of Investigation Discoveries, Fatal vows, 605 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:39,920 Speaker 1: Dr Brian, I know it makes me sound crazy to 606 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:46,520 Speaker 1: rail against the legalization of marijuana, but I prosecuted in 607 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:53,080 Speaker 1: inner city Atlanta. I saw crime, marijuana related violent crime, 608 00:44:54,440 --> 00:45:00,960 Speaker 1: and it literally breaks my heart to know that our 609 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:05,040 Speaker 1: governments have allowed this to happen. People don't know. They're 610 00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,600 Speaker 1: not expected to know these statistics that Maroney is throwing out, 611 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,719 Speaker 1: and he's right, they're not expected to have seen what 612 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 1: I saw in court. They don't know. They believe, as 613 00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,040 Speaker 1: Dr Maroney said the dialogue, that. Hey, it's like having 614 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:28,279 Speaker 1: a couple of beers. Now fatal car crashes, fIF of 615 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:33,600 Speaker 1: them related to marijuana. We have really screwed up letting 616 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,520 Speaker 1: this get legalized. You're right, you don't sound crazy to 617 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,880 Speaker 1: me at all. In fact, you know, think about alcohol 618 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,640 Speaker 1: for a minute. We have legal alcohol in this country, 619 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,840 Speaker 1: and I think that's I don't have a problem with that, 620 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,640 Speaker 1: because there's a way to enjoy alcohol that is not 621 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:56,799 Speaker 1: about getting intoxicated and losing your faculties. Now, Uh, think 622 00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:01,320 Speaker 1: about the percentage of people you know, at some point 623 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:05,279 Speaker 1: in their lives try drinking alcohol. I would say in 624 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,920 Speaker 1: my life it's close to a hundred. I know just 625 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:09,839 Speaker 1: a few people who have never had it, who are 626 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,840 Speaker 1: adults who have never had a drop of alcohol in 627 00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:17,240 Speaker 1: their lives. Uh. Now, think about a country in which 628 00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:22,160 Speaker 1: that same percentage of people end up at some point 629 00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,920 Speaker 1: playing around with marijuana. I don't think I want to 630 00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,880 Speaker 1: live in that country, and I don't think you probably 631 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,759 Speaker 1: want to live in that country because a substantial percentage 632 00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,680 Speaker 1: of those people will continue to play around with it 633 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:40,880 Speaker 1: and other things of a more potent nature. And and 634 00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,280 Speaker 1: there it really is not it's not analogous to alcohol. 635 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:48,359 Speaker 1: In the sense that there's not a way, there's no uh, 636 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,200 Speaker 1: there's no purpose of these substances, no way to enjoy them. 637 00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:57,360 Speaker 1: That's not about getting intoxicated and blunting, if not completely 638 00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,640 Speaker 1: shutting down your faculties. This is what you know. This 639 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:05,960 Speaker 1: temper a Zona mom behind bars right now, crying over 640 00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,400 Speaker 1: being away from her children. Well, I don't want to 641 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,920 Speaker 1: sound harsh, but the reality is, you keep three tubs 642 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,080 Speaker 1: of pot butter and your fridge and make mac and 643 00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,319 Speaker 1: cheese out of it, what do you think is going 644 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:23,160 Speaker 1: to happen? Nancy Grace Crimes Tories signing off good Bye 645 00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:23,560 Speaker 1: script