1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load. 2 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 2: So Michael very show is on the air. 3 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 3: Charlie always said that when he was gone, he he 4 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 3: wanted to be remembered for his. 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 2: Courage and for his fat slim. 6 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 3: Coming and one of the final conversations that he had 7 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 3: on this earth. My husband witnessed for his Lord and Savior, 8 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 3: Jesus Christ. Now and for all eternity, he will stand 9 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 3: at his Savior's side wearing the glorious crown of a murtyr. 10 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 3: He was the perfect father, He was the perfect husband. 11 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 3: Charlie always believed that God's design for marriage and the 12 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 3: family was absolutely amazing. 13 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:57,959 Speaker 2: And it is Are you murking right now? 14 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 4: Are you? Are you angry to a degree that you 15 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 4: realize this isn't healthy. I suppose it's okay to be 16 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 4: angry on a battlefield where you've got an enemy on 17 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 4: the other side, or you can pull a trigger. At 18 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 4: are you hurting? Because I have been. Charlie Kirk was 19 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 4: assassinated early Wednesday afternoon. We did the show in a 20 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 4: complete state of shock. Wednesday evening. We committed that Thursday 21 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 4: we would do five hours, and I already realized that 22 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 4: this thing was stirring emotions in me that I can't 23 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 4: say publicly. 24 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 2: And shouldn't. 25 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 4: By the way, it's not out of cowardice that I 26 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 4: don't do it. It's out of wanting to be a 27 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 4: force for good. And I fully understand that sometimes my 28 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 4: emotions are not in are not pursuant to a force 29 00:01:58,440 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 4: for good. 30 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: They are the. 31 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 4: Indulgences of a man with deep passions. Well, let me 32 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 4: start by saying this. So I had planned on doing 33 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 4: our menopause conversation on Friday, and so we had a 34 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 4: big group our whole show. Do we stick with Charlie 35 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 4: discussion on Friday and move the menopause back? We had 36 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 4: promoted it, but that's okay. Our listeners will forget that. 37 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 4: And I said, yeah, let's stick to what we're doing. 38 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 4: I need a day off. I need a weekend to consume, 39 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 4: but not contribute to this conversation. I need perspective. I 40 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 4: need to clear my head. And so the guys were 41 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 4: great and everybody was wonderful about it, as they always are. 42 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 4: But you don't Charlie Kirk was traveling the country. He 43 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 4: would get people getting in his face, calling him the 44 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 4: worst names. He ran an organization with a lot of employees. 45 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 4: That hit a lot of billionaires and millionaires who were 46 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 4: writing the checks for this organization. And I happen to 47 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 4: know a little something about the behind the scenes of 48 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 4: how that happens. Those guys that write big checks, they 49 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 4: want to tell you what to say, and they don't 50 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 4: like it when you say this or when you say that. 51 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 4: They want you to say this other thing or this 52 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 4: other thing. They don't like you to have that position. 53 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 4: And they threatened to pull back their money because they 54 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 4: are an investor after all. But you have to be 55 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 4: true to what you believe, and they don't understand. And 56 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 4: what I'm saying is Charlie was under a lot of 57 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 4: stress too. You're not in a more stress grieving his 58 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 4: loss than he was living his life. And do you 59 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 4: remember when you had young kids? Oh boy, young kids. 60 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 4: You feel guilty if you will walk out and put 61 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 4: the trash out because your kids are crying. They want 62 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 4: you back. So let's look to what Charlie said about that. 63 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 2: He was he observed the Jewish Sabbath. 64 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 4: He wasn't Jewish, obviously, but every Friday he would turn 65 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 4: off his phone and he wouldn't turn it back till 66 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 4: Sunday until Saturday evening. I have found some of the 67 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 4: greatest grounding in my life is to get off the 68 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 4: carousel of all the crazy whirlwind of clout seekers, conspiracy 69 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 4: theorists and this and this and this. It is unhealthy 70 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 4: and you can overdo it, and you've got to take 71 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 4: back your life and find some If you're lucky enough 72 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 4: to have a spouse who loves you, and children who 73 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 4: love you, and a dog who loves you, and fresh 74 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 4: air outside, that's the antidote. 75 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 2: That's the medicine. 76 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 5: Turn your phone off for one day, no contact, no 77 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 5: social media, no work. Your mental health will improve dramatically. 78 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 5: So every Friday night, I take a Jewish sabbath, turn 79 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 5: off my phone Friday night to Saturday night. The world 80 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 5: cannot reach me, and I get nothing from the world. 81 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 5: It will bless you infinitely. And I could be traveling 82 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 5: for five or six days, but if I at least 83 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 5: get one good sabbath with my family, it charges all 84 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 5: that up. 85 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 3: When he turns his phone off and it goes in 86 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 3: that drawer, he's all on for the family. There is 87 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 3: no distractions, and he finally gets to reset his brain. 88 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 3: He finally gets to breathe, and as a wife, there 89 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 3: is nothing more precious than my husband's sanity when it comes. 90 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 2: To everything that he's dealing with in his world. 91 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 3: So I have seen it change him and impact our 92 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:47,799 Speaker 3: family in one of the most beautiful ways. 93 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 5: And it's made our family much tighter knit. And it 94 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 5: says very clearly in the scriptures for six days you 95 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 5: shall work, and the seventh day you shall rest. It 96 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 5: was important enough that God put it as one of 97 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 5: the ten commandments, and God rested after creation. 98 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 2: Go back to God's natural rhythm. 99 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 5: That is a day to go be with God and 100 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 5: be out of the busyness and the hurried, nous noise 101 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 5: of this world. 102 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 4: If you won't do it because I tell you to 103 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 4: do it, and tribute to. 104 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 2: Charlie, clear your head. 105 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 4: You are a warrior in this battle, and even warriors 106 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 4: need to rest. 107 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 2: Live, laugh, learn, Doing is big. On the Michael Berry Show. 108 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 4: I want you to pause from man. I want you 109 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 4: to answer a question out loud where you're sitting. What 110 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 4: is conservatism? What does it mean to you? I don't 111 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 4: want you to use agutis. I'm just telling me it's good. 112 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: What is it. 113 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 2: If a young. 114 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 4: Person, your own or a younger person at work looks 115 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 4: up to you, ask you what conservatism has If you 116 00:06:55,640 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 4: say I'm a conservative, you know people are always when 117 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 4: you have answers. When Charlie Kirk has answers to questions 118 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 4: like this at a on a college campus, Wow, that's 119 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 4: really impressive. Listen, let me ask you this. If you 120 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 4: claim you're a Christian, you need to sit quietly, put 121 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 4: your phone down and write ten questions. Who do you 122 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 4: claim you are? Write those ten things down? I would 123 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 4: who do you hold out to the public that you 124 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 4: And I'm not questioning your faith. My point is that 125 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 4: you set it yourself. Okay, it's not like someone set 126 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:43,239 Speaker 4: you up for it. I am a Christian, all right? 127 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 4: What does that mean? And you might not know the answer. 128 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 4: You might not be good with words or thoughts or vocabulary. 129 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 2: But work through that. Work through that. 130 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 4: You say, we should love our country. Think about these things. 131 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 4: Turn the television off, turn the computer off, turn the 132 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 4: phone off. Sit out back with a cup of coffee 133 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 4: or a bourbon, or a beer, or a glass of 134 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 4: wine or an iced tea or whatever it is. I've 135 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 4: said it over the years. I think the class of 136 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 4: callers to our show in twenty years of doing this. 137 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 4: The class of callers that I would say have been 138 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,839 Speaker 4: the best callers, the most engaging, the most thoughtful, the 139 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:37,839 Speaker 4: most profound is truck drivers. And people always think I'm 140 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 4: crazy for saying that, But let me tell you why 141 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 4: that is. Because truck drivers spend a lot of time 142 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 4: alone without their phone on, without the TV on, windshield time, 143 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 4: and so they consume a lot of content. For most 144 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 4: of them, they're great talk radio listeners because they'll listen 145 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 4: to you for three four hours, they'll set you on 146 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 4: the podcast, they'll listen to all five hours. I know 147 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 4: this because they tell me. But some of the time 148 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 4: they're not listening to anything. They're thinking. They're processing. God 149 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 4: gave you a beautiful brain. It's amazing what that brain 150 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 4: can do. You're afraid of AI. We created AID, We 151 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 4: created systems and languages and fields of study, from engineering 152 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 4: to architecture, psychology to math, law, language. It's amazing. Use 153 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 4: that big, beautiful brain of yours. Don't let anybody tell 154 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 4: you you're not as good as someone else because they 155 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 4: have some silly degree. 156 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 2: Charlie didn't What was the line. 157 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 4: From Anna Paulino Luna Luna, Charlie didn't need college. College 158 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 4: needed Charlie. 159 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 2: God, that was good. And it was at. 160 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 4: The Kennedy Center this week. Could you have that quote, Handy. 161 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 4: I wasn't sure we're going to get to it today. 162 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 4: I'd saved it for tomorrow. But see if you can 163 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 4: find that. 164 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 2: As I sat there. 165 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 6: Next to him, student after student approached the debate, often 166 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 6: with heated emotions, but Charlie remained cool, common, logical, and 167 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 6: one by one, no matter how controversial the question was, 168 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 6: he would dismantle them with his reasoning. And that's when 169 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 6: I realized something Charlie Kirk did need. 170 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 2: College college needed to Charlie Kirk. 171 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 4: It's a beautiful line, Napoleon, beautiful line. So Charlie Kirk 172 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 4: was asked by doctor Drue what conservatism is. 173 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 2: Now. 174 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 4: I want you to listen to his answer. But then 175 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:48,719 Speaker 4: I want you to do what Charlie and Rush and 176 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 4: everybody who does what we do should want you to do. 177 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 4: And that's not come to Charlie or Rush or anyone 178 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 4: else for an answer to every question. 179 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 2: Come up with your own. 180 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 4: Come up with your own based on your own life experience. 181 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 4: You can be entertained and engaged. This can be a 182 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 4: data point in making your own decisions. But you need 183 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 4: to work through these answers yourself, and the working through it, 184 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 4: the exercise not easy. It's a struggle. It's tough, you're uncomfortable. 185 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 4: That's where the glory is to be found. Work through 186 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 4: these answers. All right, here's what he said. That is conservatism. 187 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 4: What is that now? 188 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 5: Very simply, it's about protecting the best we have to 189 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 5: offer so our kids and grandkids can enjoy it. That's it. 190 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 5: It's protecting the best. It's conserving interjected Please, well. 191 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,319 Speaker 4: The best as laid down in the Constitution as a 192 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 4: best acording. 193 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 2: To whom sure exactly what is objectively best? 194 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 5: For example, so having children, which we're not doing a 195 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 5: job of conserving, that's an objective good for the species. 196 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 5: The birth rate is pluminent, where a lot of the 197 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 5: fertility rates are the lowest they've ever been in American history. 198 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 5: And the idea of having children is now a luxury 199 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 5: item for those that can afford it. 200 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 2: The idea of home ownership, so I think. 201 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 5: That's an objective good that helped build Western society. You 202 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 5: have your land, you're able to caretake for it. This 203 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 5: is my place. I'm going to steward it well. Homeownership 204 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 5: is now at record lows for young people. That's why 205 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 5: it's such an interesting statement my answer, doctor Drew, because 206 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:19,199 Speaker 5: we could spend two hours of what is the best, 207 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 5: by what's standard? By whom will the agreed upon way 208 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,199 Speaker 5: in the west of how we have explored and defined. 209 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 5: The answer is those things that are good for their 210 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 5: own sake. And that is an Aristotylian answer. It's awfully philosophical. 211 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 5: But you don't have to dwell on it too much 212 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 5: to say that children is good for society, marriage is 213 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 5: good for society. When drug addiction goes up, that's a 214 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 5: bad thing. You've been a hero on that topics. Conservatism 215 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 5: is about protecting the best we have to offer so 216 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 5: that young people and future generations can enjoy it like 217 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 5: we have now. 218 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,079 Speaker 4: You are free to use that as your own answer 219 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 4: going forward. But I want you to think about questions 220 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 4: like this, Let's get something good out of Charlie's death. 221 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 4: There are a lot of things that are going to happen. 222 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 4: The number of turning point chapters start with. But I 223 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 4: want you, I want you to start thinking. I want 224 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 4: you to be a creator. If you had to take 225 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 4: over Charlie's job. Yes, I want you to think about 226 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 4: how you'd do it. I want you to think about 227 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 4: what you'd say on the campus. 228 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 2: That is conservatism? What is that now? 229 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 5: Very simply, it's about protecting the best we have to 230 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 5: offer so our kids and grandkids can enjoy it. That's it. 231 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 5: It's protecting the best. It's conservative interjective. Please, well the 232 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 5: best as laid down in the Constitution, as a best 233 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 5: according to whom sure exactly what is objectively best? For example, 234 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 5: so having children, which we're not doing a job of conserving, 235 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 5: that's an objective good for the species. The birth rate 236 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 5: is plumbting where the fertility rates are the lowest they've 237 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 5: ever been in American history, and the idea of having 238 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 5: children is now a luxury item for those that can 239 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 5: afford it. The idea of home ownership, so I think 240 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 5: that's an objective good that helped build Western society. You 241 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 5: have your land, you're able to caretake for it. This 242 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 5: is my place. I'm going to steward it well. Homeownership 243 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 5: is now at record low for young people. That's why 244 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 5: it's such an interesting statement my answer, Doctor Drew, because 245 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 5: we could spend two hours of what is the best 246 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 5: by what's standard, by whom, well, the agreed upon way 247 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 5: in the West of how we have explored and defined. 248 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 5: The answer is those things that are good for their 249 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 5: own sake. 250 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 2: You're listening to Charlie Kirk. Did need college? College needed 251 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 2: to Charlie Kirk. So Michael Berry's show, Larry, you are 252 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 2: on the Michael Berry Show. Glad to have you. 253 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: Welcome, sir, Thank you, Michael. Thank I appreciate you taking 254 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: a call. Yes, first time I call. I'm a little 255 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: bit nervous y, don't beg Yeah, I know, I know. Yeah, 256 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: you've already said some of this kind of trip my emotions. 257 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: You said, you're talking about the love of Christ, the 258 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: sacrifices that were made at my church. We do have 259 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: a little bit of a sharing time. People get up 260 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: and speak their minds. And yes, people were speaking about 261 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk. Well, one woman got up and she has 262 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: family that lives in Kuwait and she learned about the 263 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: passing of Charlie Kirk from the folks that live in Kuwaites. Yes, 264 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: we have a we all love Charlie Kirk. Here's a 265 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: mass of following. And then I learned that in the 266 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: UK in Paraguay and Japan, all over the world, people 267 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: are saying, I am Charlie Kirk. There is a following 268 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: not because of this man. He was a man. A 269 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: bullet took him down, but it was the love of 270 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: Christ in him. He took such vile vitriol in his face, 271 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: and he did it with patience, He did it with style, 272 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: he did it with love. And that all calls into 273 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: question my faith, my witness, my character and personality. Because 274 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: of course my first reaction is I want to rage 275 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: all over these folks that do these kinds of things. 276 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: But I think about how we reacted and how people 277 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: reacted to him, and if I don't stop, take a breath, 278 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: reminds myself who I belong to, who I love, and 279 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: who my witness is for, than my witness is destroyed. 280 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: In that light that Charlie shined into the world will 281 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: not shine in me. So thank you for continuing to 282 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: talk about him, to honor him, and to remind me 283 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: and hopefully others that we need to be something better 284 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: than we are. And when they scream at us, don't 285 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: get down in the pig pen and wall around in 286 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: the pen. All you do is get filthy and dirty. 287 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: We hate it, but the pigs love it. So that's 288 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: all I wanted to share. Michael, I thank you, appreciate 289 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: your brother. 290 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 4: No, Larry, it takes a very brave man, rather than 291 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 4: call and brag of their accomplishments. 292 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 2: To offer up our. 293 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 4: Own failings, which any Christian understands is a part of 294 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 4: a repentance. It is a part of the humility of service. 295 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 4: It is a sign of great strength, not witness to 296 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 4: do that. When you talk about how this, how Charlie's 297 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 4: assassination and martyrdom affected you, and you talk about church, 298 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 4: and you talk about your faith, when you look at 299 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 4: ways that you say I can be better, I can 300 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 4: do more, have you thought about that or have you 301 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 4: just at this point just made a commitment of resolution 302 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 4: that you will Or have you seen areas where you 303 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 4: can make a difference already? Have you identified those? 304 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 3: Yeah? 305 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 1: I have. I you know, I remember when we there 306 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:38,959 Speaker 1: was the election last year, and after the the indictments 307 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: came down, and how many people started donating to Trump's 308 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: campaign and then I donated, and I remember you came 309 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: out and spoke and said, yeah, well, where have you 310 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 1: been this whole time? Why does it take this for 311 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: you to play a part and get involved in rage 312 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: against the dying of the light. And yes, that was 313 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: that was me. I would get on I would get 314 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: on social media, and I would get in the pig pen, 315 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: and I would get angry and bitter and react exactly 316 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 1: the way they did. But it calls in me that 317 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: I cannot be afraid to say the name of Christ. 318 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: I cannot be afraid to say the truth if it offends, 319 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: and if they can't take the word, I walk away. 320 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 1: I don't react. But there are groups I am calling 321 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: the turning point. I am saying, what can I do 322 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: to get involved? I have to not be afraid of 323 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: somebody shutting the door in my face if I go 324 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 1: in to share, Hey, you know, have you heard about Christ? 325 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 1: Or have you voted Republican? Or are you thinking about this? 326 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: And other words. Have no fear. Rice didn't have any fear. 327 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: He knew what was coming to him when they came 328 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,880 Speaker 1: for him in the garden. And if I don't have 329 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,360 Speaker 1: even a bit of half of that, and you don't 330 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 1: even know the failings, I can't even tell you the 331 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 1: things that I have been blessed with and grace with. 332 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: And yet I still turn around and want to do 333 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 1: like Lot's wife, I will still want to turn around 334 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:01,959 Speaker 1: and do those same types of things. The last thing 335 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 1: I want to say is I had an interaction with 336 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: you in email when that guy called him and say, hey, 337 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,479 Speaker 1: can ramon maybe if you're not there, can he have 338 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: a little bit of time? And and your reaction was 339 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 1: you know, I took your reaction as negative, and I 340 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: wrote and I said, like, I called you an arrogant man, 341 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 1: but and I said, you know that was just kind 342 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: of rude. The guy didn't mean it that way. But 343 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: you wrote back in a sense that didn't say you 344 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: know what, well, screw you, buddy. You know this, that 345 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: and the other thing. You explained everything that made sense 346 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 1: to me, And I thought, you know what, the times 347 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:41,479 Speaker 1: that I've criticized Michael Berry when he he did humble himself, 348 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: he explained himself. I understood it, and I was appreciated 349 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 1: that it is about my witness, about being humble, not 350 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: bragging about what I've done, because my feelings are many. 351 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 1: So I appreciate you for that. That's all I really have, sir. 352 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 2: It's very kind of you to say we're are you 353 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 2: from Leary Beautiful. 354 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 1: I'm Houston Southwest southwest side. I'm a mural painter here 355 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 1: on the southwest side, well mural painter in Houston, but 356 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: I'm actually working for West Chase District right now going 357 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 1: around washing all my traffic boxes. And I'm sitting across 358 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: from from one of them, a few of them right now, 359 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: to get them cleaned off and starting the next project 360 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: for them. 361 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 4: Wait a minute, are you the guy that paints those 362 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 4: murals on the. 363 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 1: Traffic boxes and the Harvey mural? There was a Harvey 364 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,439 Speaker 1: tribute mural that was painted along one of the byes. 365 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: It's long destroyed. It wasn't a bad spot, did you. Yeah, 366 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: I've gotten. 367 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 3: Now. 368 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: All of mine have been the traffic boxes on the corners. 369 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: I got a large space mural over here on Willcrest 370 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: that's behind the buildings facing the HCC building or something. 371 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:03,239 Speaker 1: On these Spaceman murals, a large butterfly mural along one 372 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: of the butterflies. Just a number of different murals for 373 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: them and any other things that I've done around town. 374 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 2: Of course, how did you get into doing that? That's fascinating. 375 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: It was I went to the artist to do of 376 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: Houston back when there was an art Institra of Houston, 377 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: and then for four or five years I didn't do 378 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: anything with it, did something else, and then I got 379 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: led The job that I was at had me go 380 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 1: into a job of a guy that I'd known that 381 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: did motorcycle tanks and custom airbrushing or whatever. And then 382 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 1: when I took the picked up a vehicle that he 383 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: had to do artwork on for our company. I asked him. 384 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 1: I saw him up top of a cigarette boat buffing 385 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: out the clear. I thought, if the owner has to 386 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: do that kind of work on top of a cigarette boat, 387 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: gritting it out in the middle of summer, maybe he 388 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: needs help. And he had a number of other people, 389 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: And I asked him, and sure enough I got a job, 390 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 1: worked with him for a few years, went back, and 391 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: then then I worked with him again. He knew another 392 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,400 Speaker 1: person is just step after step after step. I got 393 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: led into this. Now been Ben, I'm your lardist for 394 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: the last fifteen twenty some odd years or something. 395 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 2: I have if you are the last of it? No, 396 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 2: I was on, we don't have that. 397 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, AI is not going to replace me. Yeah, they 398 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: are not going to be able to get out there 399 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: on the street and paint on a wall. 400 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 2: That's that is real. 401 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 4: I'm fascinated by how people not just make a living 402 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 4: but use the gifts God has given them. 403 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 2: And you talked about it as a journey. 404 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: You know. 405 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 4: I tell my boys who are eighteen and nineteen, don't 406 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 4: worry when people ask you what you're going to do 407 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 4: when you graduate, if you even graduate, because that's not 408 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 4: that important to me. Worry about what you're going to 409 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 4: do now, what you want to do, what you enjoy doing, 410 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 4: what you find fulfilling, and people will say, oh, you 411 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 4: can't do what you enjoy, you just have to do 412 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 4: a dirty job. Like Mike Growth said, well, people are 413 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 4: called into the ministry because it's fulfilling. 414 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 2: I see no problem with that. 415 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 4: I think you find you say these are my gifts 416 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,199 Speaker 4: and this is how I'm going to use it, and 417 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 4: you clearly have great call Call the month. 418 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 2: Listen to the Michael Berry Show podcast if you dare. 419 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 2: There's a pretty. 420 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 4: Active and thorough body of work that believes, as I 421 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 4: partially do, that Pearl Harbor's attack at World War Two, 422 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 4: setting off the United States involvement against Japan, the attack 423 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 4: at Pearl Harbor by Japan, the loss of life, the 424 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 4: unprovoked nature of it. It pierced the veil of America's isolationism, 425 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 4: a healthy isolationism mass I share it, and so does Trump. 426 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 4: We didn't want to go into Europe's war. Sure, Hitler 427 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 4: was terrible, but we didn't want to go into Europe's war. 428 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 4: It was not clear that the Holocaust was going on 429 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 4: at the time. We didn't want to fight a war 430 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 4: for a continent that had been at war. Napoleon had 431 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 4: done very similar things. We'd seen Russian tsars and kings 432 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 4: proceeded westward, Kubla Khan, Genghis Khan. We'd seen Alexander the 433 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 4: Great move eastward. We'd seen a hannibal across Tunisia now 434 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 4: a carthage now Tunisia, and his elephants. 435 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 2: We had seen all these things. Hell, we had fought 436 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 2: World War One, the ward end all. 437 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 4: Wars and suffered mightily from it. We didn't want to 438 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 4: involve of ourselves in the Internacine European theater. But then 439 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 4: Japan attacks, and whatever your thought on the matter, there 440 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 4: is no doubt that it mobilized the American people to 441 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 4: go to war overnight. FDR could say that December seventh, 442 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 4: nineteen forty one was a day which will live in infamy. 443 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 2: Was the speech already prepared. I don't know. 444 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 4: Were more ships moved into position to maximize the damage 445 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 4: done so the American people and loss of life, so 446 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 4: the American people would be sufficiently angry. 447 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 2: I don't know. 448 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 4: You're free to believe whatever you want, but there is 449 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 4: no doubt that what happened did mobilize the American people. 450 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 4: And there is at least a common sense friendly audience 451 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 4: to the argument, because yeah, well, FDR had been in 452 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 4: communication with Winston Churchill constantly over the last four years, 453 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 4: and Winston Churchill was begging FDR for Americans to enter 454 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 4: the war, not just lease vehicles and donate vehicles and 455 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 4: loan money, but for the Americans to join the war 456 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 4: boots on the ground. The war was being lost, and 457 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 4: if you've seen the movie dun Kirker, you've read your histories, 458 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 4: you know the war was being lost and would have 459 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 4: been lost, and by all accounts should have been lost 460 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 4: when you look at how things turned, and that would 461 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 4: have made our involvement very different. But Pearl Harbor became 462 00:26:55,240 --> 00:27:01,959 Speaker 4: a moment that changed the history of the world. And 463 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 4: when you go back and look at the Japanese leadership's 464 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 4: decision to strike from their side, we had cut off 465 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 4: their fuel source. It's almost as if FDR was provoking 466 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,919 Speaker 4: them to do that which they should not have done. 467 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 4: Stupid move, you have awakened the giant. Stupid move, you 468 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 4: have overstepped. The great Japanese Empire was devastated literally and figuratively. 469 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 4: I mean it changed Japan forever from what it was dramatically, 470 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 4: and all of that comes down to the bombing at 471 00:27:53,280 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 4: Pearl Harbor. Sometimes in great loss, you know, we look 472 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 4: back now and you know, we're preparing for Jeopardy. We go, Yeah, 473 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 4: they knew when he was crossing the Wahoo, and here 474 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 4: was the first notification, and they send this over here, 475 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 4: and here's what happened a Pearl Harbor, and here's how 476 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 4: many people died. And here's the ships. 477 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 2: And then here's the kids from Willamette that were there. 478 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 4: They hand them a rifle and they walked around the perimeter, 479 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 4: and here's this, and then we entered the Japanese and 480 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 4: it's almost as if, yeah, it happened, and that's how 481 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 4: it was. You know, like somebody wrote a screenplay and 482 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 4: everybody got their script and they read for the script 483 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 4: and you got the role, and everybody played their role. No, 484 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 4: that's not how it happened. You go back and look 485 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 4: at the newsreels of the time. You go back and 486 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 4: look at the coverage. This was frightening. We didn't have 487 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 4: the internet. I went to Japan in December for the 488 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 4: first time of my life, and I've been wanting to 489 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 4: go my entire life. But since then I've talked to 490 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 4: more people who've been than have it. A lot of 491 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 4: people have been to Japan. Back then, nobody had been 492 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 4: to Japan and that simple commercial air you know right now, 493 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 4: you don't have to go to Jaman. I mean it's 494 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 4: better if you do. But you can go online and 495 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 4: look up everything. You can see videos, photos, You can 496 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 4: learn so much about Japan. You can have an understanding 497 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 4: of their people. You can read what they have to 498 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 4: say translated for you, and most of them speak English. 499 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 4: Back then, we didn't know how strong the Japanese were. 500 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 4: Their strength was legendary, and for good reason. These are 501 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 4: people who had conquered China and made their women into 502 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 4: comfort women, into prostitutes. This was a powerful empire and 503 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,479 Speaker 4: they had bombed us. We were afraid and we were angry, 504 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 4: and out of that rose up the power that would 505 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 4: end the aggression in the Pacific theater and for that matter, 506 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 4: in Europe. 507 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,959 Speaker 2: Not overnight. It took a while. So you think about 508 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 2: that moment, and. 509 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 4: If you could have known, I see what has happened 510 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 4: as that moment, Charlie's assassination, Charlie becoming a martyr. 511 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 2: Look at the people. 512 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 4: Who danced on his grave, so to speak. Look at 513 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 4: how companies are being intolerant of that that hate. Look 514 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 4: at how the New York Yankees were the first to 515 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 4: put his picture up and they told the rest of 516 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 4: the league it's okay to do it. The NFL cede 517 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 4: lamb calling for doing it. Look at the number of 518 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 4: players praying the coach at Oregon will what he Dan 519 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 4: Lanning just to make Look at how many of the 520 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 4: of these vigials that are being held. Look at the churches, 521 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 4: how they swelled on Sunday. 522 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 2: Look at how how many young people. 523 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 4: Look at the number of people who have applied, the 524 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,959 Speaker 4: number of campuses that did not have a turning point chapter. 525 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:25,959 Speaker 4: The turning Point staff can't keep up. This was a moment, folks, 526 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 4: But this is so much more than just a moment 527 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 4: and a bullet and a death. 528 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 2: It is a movement. 529 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 4: Charlie's wife was right, This is something so much bigger 530 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 4: and that is a legacy that Charlie Kirk in his 531 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 4: just thirty. 532 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 2: One years 533 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 4: Makes him one of the all time grades