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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in.

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Speaker 1: I hope all of you are having fantastic Tuesdays wherever

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Speaker 1: you may be across this great.

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Speaker 2: Country or around the world.

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Speaker 1: As we know many of you are listening all over

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Speaker 1: the place, especially as the holiday season gets.

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Speaker 2: Closer and closer.

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Speaker 1: Christmas not very far away, get that shopping done, thirteen

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Speaker 1: days until Christmas Day, and the New Year's lots coming

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Speaker 1: your way, Lots to be decided, and let's dive right

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Speaker 1: into what's going on. Several different stories out there, But

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Speaker 1: we got a couple of great guests for you. Andy

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Speaker 1: McCarthy is going to be on with us in the

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Speaker 1: second hour to break down all these legal shenanigans, both

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Speaker 1: with Hunter Biden and also with Donald Trump, the expedited

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Speaker 1: case argument in front of the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 2: What in the world's happening?

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Speaker 1: And then a guy that I know many of you

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Speaker 1: are going to be very excited to hear from, Tucker Carlson,

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Speaker 1: is going to be with us in the third hour.

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Speaker 1: Tucker has not done and a lot of media since

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Speaker 1: he left his show back in April, if I remember correctly,

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Speaker 1: was when that happened, So he is going to be

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Speaker 1: on with us in the third hour, So you can

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Speaker 1: go ahead and get geared up for all of that

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Speaker 1: three stories that are out there that we're going to

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Speaker 1: be talking about, I think in some degree of ernest

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Speaker 1: throughout the course of today's show, along with many others.

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Speaker 1: What in the world's going on with the Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: legal proceedings? What's the Supreme Court doing? Is there any

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Speaker 1: way that this trial is going to start on March fourth?

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Speaker 1: And how does it play out both legally and politically.

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Speaker 1: Chris Sununu is the governor of New Hampshire reportedly endorsing

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Speaker 1: Nicky Haley as president. You knew that he was not

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Speaker 1: endorsing Trump. But does this set the table for DeSantis

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Speaker 1: then Nicky Haley to come in second in New Hampshire?

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Speaker 1: And how do we assess the political calculus there with

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Speaker 1: the next big state that would be up on that

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Speaker 1: calendar being South Carolina, where Nikki Hayley obviously was the

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Speaker 1: very popular.

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Speaker 2: We will get into that.

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Speaker 1: But buck we begin with the rules not applying if

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Speaker 1: you are the right diversity and inclusion higher. Claudine Gay,

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Speaker 1: who is the Harvard president, has been given basically a

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Speaker 1: full throated protection from the Harvard Board despite the fact

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Speaker 1: that she has been it seems quite clearly caught plagiarizing

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Speaker 1: her PhD dissertation, and she also was alongside of the

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Speaker 1: MIT president and the PEN president, Penn president, white woman fired.

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Speaker 1: Is there any doubt let's just start with this buck.

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Speaker 1: Is there any doubt that if a white guy said

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Speaker 1: what Claudine Gay said the exact same things and also

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Speaker 1: was accused of the exact same plagiarism, that that man

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Speaker 2: Any doubt at all?

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Speaker 3: Zero doubt. And I would just note that I think,

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Speaker 3: you know, the bigger issue here is obviously calling for

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Speaker 3: the genocide of the Jews doesn't violate Harvard's code of conduct.

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Speaker 3: I think the testimony is worse than the plagiarism. Some

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Speaker 3: people could disagree with that.

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Speaker 1: But oh, I actually think, I actually think I disagree. Really, yeah,

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Speaker 1: if I were ranking those because the plagiarism is an

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Speaker 1: intentional lie, say like I.

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Speaker 3: Don't and this this may be I get it, I

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Speaker 3: get it, and plagiarism is pretty I mean, look, it's like,

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Speaker 3: you know, she didn't cite she like paraphrased.

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Speaker 1: All of academia. To me, is is largely BS right.

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Speaker 1: There was a world out there where I would have

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Speaker 1: enjoyed being a professor on a campus when people were

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Speaker 1: still saying either of history or law or even creative writing,

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Speaker 3: I think I think changing rules suddenly, because that's the key.

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Speaker 3: It's not that you can say whatever you want as

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Speaker 3: long as it's not illegal. As we've discussed, it's oh

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Speaker 3: we can get into how this Harvard president specifically was

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Speaker 3: an enforcer of those double standards before, which is not

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Speaker 3: DEI hires could be fired for incompetence. They weren't hired

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Speaker 3: because DEI elevates the characteristics of protected classes, being black,

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Speaker 3: We all know this, we understand this, and the constitution

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Speaker 3: doesn't actually allow for this, as a Supreme Court finally

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Speaker 3: to change. So she is among the unfireable. She's unfirable,

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Speaker 3: and this is why I had a bet. I think

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Speaker 3: And it's interesting because the white woman from you Penn

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Speaker 3: know what this is. She's unfirable because the moment you

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Speaker 3: allow a prominent DEI hire to get booted for not

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Speaker 3: being good at the job, you open up the doorway

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Speaker 3: to well, you know, what about this person here? What

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Speaker 3: She's making I'm sure over a million dollars a year.

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Speaker 3: She's determined. You know, this is a prominent, very visual position. Okay,

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Speaker 3: interesting you disagree, you think the plagiers is worse. I

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Speaker 3: saw the plagiarism instances. If she had copied and pasted

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Speaker 3: but students, to be clear, students would be expelled for

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying, like I think the plagiarism rules are

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Speaker 1: I actually agree with the position that the pen, the MIT,

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Speaker 1: expansive speech policies possible. I don't agree with anybody who's

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Speaker 1: agree with somebody who walks around and says white people

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Speaker 1: all those things. I think you should be able to

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Speaker 1: concern is they're not going to acknowledge their hypocrisy and say, oh,

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Speaker 1: you know what, we have been artificially curtailing speech on campus.

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Speaker 1: way we want, which is everybody gets treated equally, and

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Speaker 1: all forms of speech, even abhorrent ones, should be permitted

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Speaker 1: on a college campus, which is what I believe. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what the best way to bring that about is.

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Speaker 2: Does that make sense?

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Speaker 3: I mean what Jewish Americans have been shown and it's

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Speaker 3: interesting conservative Jews are not surprised by this and know this.

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Speaker 3: But what liberal Jews in this country, right left wing

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Speaker 3: Jews have found out in this whole process is if

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Speaker 1: Not a protected, a bad guy. That's what they're stunned by.

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Speaker 1: They're like, we've been for centuries, for millenniums, we've been

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Speaker 3: Yes, And so that that's what has been the shots

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Speaker 3: constitutes abuse. The same president of Harvard engineered the ouster

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Speaker 3: everyone's saying, oh, there's all these lessons. I don't think

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Speaker 3: those donations get turned back on.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna let my oldest son pick whatever college he wants,

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Speaker 1: which is what I think most parents should do. You

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Speaker 1: can aid and assist and visit and let him make

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Speaker 1: a choice. I gotta tell you, though, Buck, I'm not

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Speaker 1: I wonder how many people out there listening right now

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Speaker 1: With well, and especially that's the case when you're starting

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Speaker 3: People who say that misunderstand the nature and the mentality

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Speaker 1: Welcome Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show, Okay Buck. Reports are

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Speaker 1: that Sununu, the governor of New Hampshire, is going to

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Speaker 1: endorse Nicky Haley. We know that Kim Reynolds. You had

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Speaker 3: I don't have any quibble with your analysis, unlike say

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Speaker 3: I'm still smarting from your your snide comments about crab

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Speaker 3: You need you need a Trump alternative in the primary.

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Speaker 1: Second part of this, does any endorsement matter at all?

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Speaker 1: Trump's endorsement when he's not running, obviously is very impactful

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Speaker 1: Because I think if you talk to people in Iowa,

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Speaker 1: they would say Kim Reynolds is the best endorsement you

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Speaker 1: can get. It doesn't seem like that's going to get

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Speaker 1: Ron DeSantis unless he pulls off a big upset across

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Speaker 1: the finish line there. Simultaneously, I think people would say, Hey,

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Speaker 1: in New Hampshire, if you could get anybody's endorsement, it

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Speaker 1: would be Sununu, the governor, who's very popular there.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that he's going to move the needle

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Speaker 2: at all either.

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Speaker 1: And then everybody focuses on, Oh, what's the Manchester Herald

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Speaker 1: newspaper going to do or the Des Moines Gazette or whatever.

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Speaker 1: And yet it seems to me that there's a massive

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Speaker 1: obsession with endorsements, and they have almost no impact.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's a little bit like when people start to calculate,

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Speaker 3: they say, well, this candidate has this amount of money

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Speaker 3: and that candidate has that amount of money, and so

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Speaker 3: you know, if if it's really close, it may make

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Speaker 3: a difference. But there are plenty of times where you

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Speaker 3: have candidates who throw crazy money. I mean, look at

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Speaker 3: how much money becho O'Rourke raised and spent to try

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Speaker 3: to beat ted Cruz. You know he lost lost both times,

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Speaker 3: you know, considerably. Was it both times he ran or

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Speaker 3: once I can't even remember now, but anyway, he lost

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Speaker 3: ran from governor, Andy ran governor and Senate, right, that's yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: So a lot of money that you know, was lit

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Speaker 3: on fire on the endorsement side of things, I think,

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Speaker 3: like a lot of things in politics these days, if

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Speaker 3: it's close, it can be a difference maker. But if

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Speaker 3: you're forty points or thirty points behind, I don't know,

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Speaker 3: that's tough. These are weird, as everyone knows, because everyonho

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Speaker 3: works in politics has to like google this and be like, wait,

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie to you, guys. I've done this

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Speaker 3: every year there's been a cauca. Every time there's been

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Speaker 3: a cause because I'm like, wait, I gotta get into this.

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Speaker 3: I kind of understand, but it's weird. It's like buying

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Speaker 3: a diamond ring. You know a little bit about it

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Speaker 3: for a very short period of time, and then immediately

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Speaker 3: unless you're getting married like eight times, like Larry King

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Speaker 3: back in the day, and then you immediately forget it,

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Speaker 3: hopefully forever.

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Speaker 1: Right like color cut clarity. I can vaguely remember you

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Speaker 1: just went through this recently, Carrot. Oh yeah, Carrott matters

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Speaker 1: cut clarity. Now they also have I was reading a

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Speaker 1: big article. They also have artificial diamond rings, by the way,

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Speaker 1: that cost a fraction of what the real ones do,

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Speaker 1: and people can't even tell them apart. I'm gonna tell

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Speaker 1: you guys right now, big, big, big proponent of the

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Speaker 1: artificial diamonds.

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Speaker 3: They it's a diamond. Yeah, it's just a diamond that

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Speaker 3: didn't come out of the ground. But it's it's it

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Speaker 3: is not biochemically but it is structurally molecularly identical to

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Speaker 3: a diamond. So I'm just betting that out there for

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Speaker 3: all the guys out there. You think, you think it's

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Speaker 3: not a cz or whatever, it's not, you know, cubic zirconium.

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Speaker 3: It is a diamond. It is a diamond. It is

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Speaker 3: a diamond, and it cost you half what an actual

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Speaker 3: mind diamond does.

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Speaker 1: And it's becoming a big issue out there because I

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Speaker 1: was just reading about it recently. I think it was

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Speaker 1: on the front page of the Wall Street Journal talking

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Speaker 1: about how as a result, women's diamond rings in case

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Speaker 1: you were already shopping and you're nervous, have gotten a

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Speaker 1: lot bigger recently because to your point, you can buy

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Speaker 1: a much bigger ring for the price, and nobody can

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Speaker 1: tell the difference whether it's you know, a lab manufactured

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Speaker 1: or from the ground.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to America, where you can afford now twice the

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Speaker 3: diamond and half the house.

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Speaker 2: It's a good point.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly where we are, so building on this Chris

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Speaker 1: Sanunu endorsement. But tell me how this isn't all a grand,

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Speaker 1: elaborate scheme for Nicki Haley to get the vice presidency.

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Speaker 1: I just I look at this and I say, everybody's

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Speaker 1: going to drop out. Nicky Haley may well be the

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Speaker 1: last person standing. The math does not add up for

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Speaker 1: her ever beating Trump. I don't believe head to head

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Speaker 1: now she may have a chance in New Hampshire because

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Speaker 1: they have a lot of independence and Democrats. But it

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Speaker 1: seems to me that this is all just setting up

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Speaker 1: for Trump to pick Nicky Haley as his VP, and

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Speaker 1: this thing's all signed, seld and delivered by Valentine's Day.

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Speaker 3: I would think in my mind, Nicky Haley in many ways,

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Speaker 3: the best path for her, the most that she could

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Speaker 3: hope for realistically, is to be Trump's VP.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: I know a lot of Trump voters don't want that,

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Speaker 3: but just remember who is Trump's last VP? Are you

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Speaker 3: excited about that choice? So don't count out Nicky Haley? Right,

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Speaker 3: she would be in a position where the base would

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Speaker 3: become you know, the Trump maga world. I think if

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Speaker 3: she served Trump ably as vice president would become more

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Speaker 3: favorable toward her, and it would be very difficult to

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Speaker 3: take the you know on deck spot if you will,

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Speaker 3: away from her and it comes up in just a

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Speaker 3: couple of years. It is so we keep forgetting this

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Speaker 3: all the presidential dynamics about who's running and who wants what,

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Speaker 3: and it's so different when you have a candidate who

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Speaker 3: can only be president for four more years, yeah, which

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Speaker 3: is true on both sides. You know, Donald Trump cannot

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Speaker 3: be president for eight more years, and so if you

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Speaker 3: are his vice president, you're a particularly powerful spot because

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Speaker 3: in two years, everyone's gonna turn to you and be like,

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Speaker 3: you're the one. I was gonna see, you're the guy,

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Speaker 3: You're the galon Nikki Haley's case.

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Speaker 1: I loved politics too, by the way, because I was

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Speaker 1: gonna say, you know, Nicki Haley's pretty young.

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Speaker 2: She's fifty one.

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Speaker 1: Politics is the only place where you can be like

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Speaker 1: fifty six or fifty eight and people are like, you know,

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Speaker 1: he or see, they're pretty young spring chicken at fifty five.

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Speaker 1: Every other profession you would look at somebody in their fifties,

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Speaker 1: certainly the top half of the fifties, you would never

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Speaker 1: describe them as young. Remember when it was it Henryde

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Speaker 1: who confessed to cheating and said that cheating at the

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Speaker 1: age of forty two was a youthful indiscretion. And he

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Speaker 1: was like eighty four years old or something, so he

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Speaker 1: was describing himself at forty two as youthful. I don't

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Speaker 1: think most people out there think of, you know, like

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Speaker 1: forty two or forty three as youthful unless you're like

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Speaker 1: in your eighties and then obviously things are different.

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Speaker 2: But the point is Nicki Haley, I believe is fifty one.

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Speaker 1: She would be fifty five and an overwhelming favorite to

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Speaker 1: be picked as the nominee in twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 2: If she was the VP, it sends to me she's

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Speaker 2: running for that.

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Speaker 3: A part of me that, a part of this rather

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Speaker 3: that I left out of it, was even if Nicki

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Speaker 3: Haley were by some miracle able to win the primary

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Speaker 3: against Trump, I don't know that all that. I don't

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Speaker 3: know the Trump voters come out for Nicki Haley where

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Speaker 3: they have to for her to win the general, right

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Speaker 3: whereas if she becomes vice president, I think there's a

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Speaker 3: better shot down the line. She goes a little more maga,

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Speaker 3: she goes to more rallies, she's helpful to Trump. Maybe

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Speaker 3: people right now, I know what a lot of people

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Speaker 3: are thinking, that's crazy. He would never she It's politics, folks. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know, things change very very quickly. I mean it

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Speaker 3: was only six months ago that we were getting calls

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Speaker 3: and emails saying that it should be an RFK junior

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Speaker 3: Trump ticket. I remember this, and I was telling everybody,

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Speaker 3: he's a Democrat. He's a Democrat. He's a Democrat. I

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Speaker 3: kept saying this over and over again, and now sure

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Speaker 3: enough he's running third party.

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Speaker 2: And helping Trump.

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Speaker 1: It looks like in some of the states because it

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Speaker 1: just ties to Biden's lack of popularity. By the way,

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Speaker 1: we got Tucker in hour three. I would pick if

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Speaker 1: I were Trump right now, I would pick Tucker.

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Speaker 2: That's who I would pick.

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Speaker 1: So I understand again my first pick is take a

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Speaker 1: state where you guarantee yourself. I've said this for months,

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Speaker 1: maybe even a year or more. Trump's not going to

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Speaker 1: do that. If he's not going to do that, I

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Speaker 1: think Tucker would be his best possible option.

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Speaker 3: What do you think eight eight two two eight a

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Speaker 3: two come back to this. Also, remember in the next

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Speaker 3: going to break that down with this, and also we'll

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Speaker 3: talk about some of the Hunter Biden stuff too. So

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Speaker 3: we've got a lot to get to. But you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna say this before we get into call

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Speaker 3: as play told me I didn't know this. Harvard expelled

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Speaker 3: twenty seven people for plagiarism last students, so so institutionally

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Speaker 3: plagiar I mean, for me ethically saying, like you know,

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Speaker 3: a mob calling for the genocide of the Jews like that.

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Speaker 3: That's worse than plagiarism. Institutionally speaking, in terms of the

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Speaker 3: rules of the institution, plagiarism is supposed to be a

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Speaker 3: really big deal. And now the president of Harvard is

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Speaker 3: a plagiarist. Okay, no big deal. I think that is

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Speaker 3: worth pointing it. Think about those students, Think about how

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Speaker 3: they feel, Think about what it's like now for them.

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Speaker 3: I expelled. You carry that mark on you expelled from

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Speaker 3: Harvard for plagiarism. A school run by a plagiarist, A

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Speaker 3: school with a president who makes determinations about discipline and

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Speaker 3: about you know who the deans are to enforce these rules,

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Speaker 3: et cetera.

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Speaker 2: A plagiarist.

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Speaker 3: That's okay, though, de Ei, this is what DEI gets you.

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Speaker 3: The rules do not apply. That is what you get

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Speaker 3: with d e I. Uh, David in o Maha, Nebraska,

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Speaker 3: you've got some thoughts. What's up?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, never mind that our country is being run by

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Speaker 7: a plagiarizer.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, that's good, By the way, very good point, very

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Speaker 3: good point.

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Speaker 7: Yes, I think both of you are underestimating Ron DeSantis

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Speaker 7: also and talking about endorsements.

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Speaker 3: Uh, let me remind you Governor.

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Speaker 7: DeSantis has Governor Reynolds endorsement. He's got Bob Vanderplot's endorsement,

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Speaker 7: which I think carries a lot of weight up in

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Speaker 7: the northwest Iowa corridor. I think, Uh, Governor DeSantis has

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Speaker 7: visited almost every county and he's been.

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Speaker 1: To every county. He's worked hard in Iowa. So what

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Speaker 1: what is underestimated mean? What do you expect DeSantis to do?

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Speaker 2: On Jay? We say he's gonna come in second. Do

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Speaker 2: you think he's gonna win?

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Speaker 7: I don't know if he's gonna win, but I think

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Speaker 7: he's gonna come in a strong place.

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Speaker 3: Well, well, if you don't think he's gonna win, why are

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Speaker 3: we underestimating him? Because we're saying, look, I mean we

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Speaker 3: we are very clear. I mean, I won't speak for Clay,

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Speaker 3: but I mean I think it's obvious too. Ron DeSantis

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Speaker 3: is a phenomenal governor. And some Trump voters who listen

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Speaker 3: to this get mad at me when I say that,

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Speaker 3: I'm just speaking what I think is the observable truth.

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Speaker 3: He's a phenomenal governor. He's worked very hard in Iowa.

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Speaker 3: I'm also speaking the truth as his when we say

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Speaker 3: the polls haven't moved in his favor. It's just this

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Speaker 3: is just the objective reality. It's not a knock on DeSantis.

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Speaker 3: It's not undermining, it's not meant to undermine Trump or

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Speaker 3: any of this. It's just this is what we're seeing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And if it's hard to say we're underestimating somebody,

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Speaker 1: h when you have the same opinion that we do,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna come in second. Now, if you're gonna say, oh,

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Speaker 1: he's only gonna lose by one or two points, is

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Speaker 1: that your argument.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's exactly my argument.

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Speaker 3: Okay, And I think that.

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Speaker 7: That is almost that that would almost be a win

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Speaker 7: for governor.

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Speaker 4: To Samsus, it.

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Speaker 3: Would be yeah if he closes the Yeah.

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Speaker 1: If on DeSantis loses Iowa by four or five points,

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Speaker 1: I would say that will be seen as a win. Now,

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Speaker 1: the problem for him will be Nicky Haley is basing

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Speaker 1: her campaign on New Hampshire, where she is currently favored

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Speaker 1: to finish second. So if he finishes a strong second

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Speaker 1: in Iowa and then comes in third in New Hampshire,

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of that momentum is gone. So

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Speaker 1: my argument is just barring a DeSantis win in Iowa

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Speaker 1: or a Nicky Haley win in New Hampshire, I think

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Speaker 1: both of them have put Yeah, that's their primary focus.

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Speaker 1: I think it's great for Trump, and I think Nicky

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Speaker 1: Haley ends up saying, you know what, I'll take the VP.

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Speaker 1: You agree with me, Buck, there's no chance that DeSantis

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Speaker 1: has taken the VP. Nope, he will be He wills

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Speaker 1: Jim in Seal Beach, California.

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Speaker 3: Jim, what's going on?

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Speaker 4: How you doing playing? Buck? I really enjoy your show.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: My biggest thing, You're welcome. My biggest thing is I

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Speaker 4: voted for Trump twice? Yeah, would I like to see

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Speaker 4: him win. Yeah, I'd like to see him do the

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Speaker 4: scorched start. But my biggest problem is is it looks

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Speaker 4: like he's gonna take the primaries. Okay, gosh, but the

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Speaker 4: thing is when you when you have the worst fricking

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Speaker 4: presidential candidate in history and Trump's up by four points,

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Speaker 4: are you kidding me? And then when you've got Nicky

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Speaker 4: Haley up by I don't know over ten and DeSantis

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Speaker 4: over we better be damn concerned about the general election

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Speaker 4: because I'll tell you there's so many people that won't

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Speaker 4: vote for Trump. They won't maybe vote Democrats, but they'll

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Speaker 4: they'll take himself out of the vote. And then the

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Speaker 4: other thing, the supreme Trump haters who probably don't show

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Speaker 4: up to vote, will show up to vote.

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Speaker 7: My biggest thing is he's up four percent.

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Speaker 2: Over Biden, the worst.

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Speaker 4: Fricking ridiculous candidate ever. He's only up by four points.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I appreciate the call. If Trump were to thank

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Speaker 1: you for the call. If Trump were to win by

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Speaker 1: four it would be a landslide election. So I would

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Speaker 1: not quibble with a four point lead. Right now, Buck,

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Speaker 1: I've said I think that the veig I think Nikki Haley,

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Speaker 1: I think DeSantis and I think Trump would all beat

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Speaker 1: Biden because Biden is the weakness of his campaign right now.

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Speaker 2: Not the strength will break that down for you.

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Speaker 1: Plus all of this Supreme Court machinations, what's happening with

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Speaker 1: the law there