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Speaker 1: of the Origin Story podcast, Ian Dunt. Welcome back to

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Speaker 2: Ian Well, I thank you very much, thank you for

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited to have you like I am such

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Speaker 1: a humongous fan of yours and I think are so funny.

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Speaker 1: And also because your country doesn't matter at all, we

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Speaker 2: It's extraordinary. There's a real pattern to your praise. I've

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Speaker 2: there's a terrible black hole that's emerging in front of me,

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Speaker 1: So just catch us up and what's happening in the

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Speaker 2: It's definitely not that. I mean, you certainly put France.

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Speaker 1: I was going to save Germany and France.

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Speaker 2: We have decided to have as many prime ministers as

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Speaker 1: Them exact good exactly, But so catch us up. I

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Speaker 2: The scale of it is so impossible to grasp. We

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Speaker 5: in some cases publicly, in some cases privately, and sometimes both,

435
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Speaker 5: and I asked them point blank, what are you doing

436
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Speaker 5: running ads for this website? And once that's on the record,

437
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 5: like once I've sent that email or that tweet.

438
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Speaker 4: The balls in their court.

439
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Speaker 5: And because ultimately they serve advertisers, they can't just ignore

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Speaker 5: me when I point out one thing that is detrimental

441
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Speaker 5: to their client, so they kind of have to respond.

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Speaker 4: So pretty much all of.

443
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 5: Them, one by one confirmed with me that they were

444
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,199
Speaker 5: dropping the Gateway Pundit.

445
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Speaker 4: It was actually really easy.

446
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Speaker 1: So the Internet sucks a lot of times because there's

447
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Speaker 1: no government regulation.

448
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 5: Right.

449
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Speaker 1: Congress could have said, you have to have verified news sources,

450
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Speaker 1: you have to have content that's vetted, you have to

451
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 1: have Twitter can't link to sites that aren't true. They

452
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Speaker 1: could have made checks and bounces, but they decided not to.

453
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Speaker 1: But the only real ability that we have as a

454
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Speaker 1: country and as citizens to fight back againstuff like this

455
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Speaker 1: is legal, right.

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Speaker 5: I would disagree that we want Congress to be the

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Speaker 5: ones to decide what is.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're not going to. I think they could

459
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Speaker 1: have years ago stopped a lot of the junkie stuff

460
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Speaker 1: on the Internet by saying that tech companies had to

461
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Speaker 1: really pay for content for magazines and newspapers. I mean

462
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Speaker 1: they didn't, but you you know, there's incentives for everything else. Right.

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Speaker 5: I think it's a bit more complicated than that because

464
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 5: a lot of these disinfo outlets that we see today

465
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Speaker 5: kind of snuck into the advertising ecosystem, the media eCos

466
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Speaker 5: by classifying themselves as the news and companies like Google

467
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Speaker 5: and all the other exchanges face I mean, I don't

468
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Speaker 5: want to speak on Facebook, but these companies just kind

469
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Speaker 5: of are working at scale and they don't want to

470
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Speaker 5: look into it both for you know, they don't want

471
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Speaker 5: to put the resources into it and they don't want

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Speaker 5: to have to make those kind of decisions.

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Speaker 4: It was just kind of the result of I think

474
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Speaker 4: it just kind of.

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Speaker 5: Snuck up on the tech company well as as a society.

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Speaker 4: But the thing that we can control.

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Speaker 5: That's outside of the government that I think is very

478
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Speaker 5: very key to solving this problem. I mean, ultimately, this

479
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 5: problem is fueled by advertising. The Gateway Pundit was launched

480
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 5: twenty years ago, almost twenty years and their rise was

481
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Speaker 5: fueled by unbridled access to digital advertising revenues. We're talking

482
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Speaker 5: The Center for Countering Digital Hate did a study and

483
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Speaker 5: will never know the exact number, but they estimate that

484
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Speaker 5: in the twenty twenty elections leading up to the insurrection

485
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 5: that the Gateway Pundit made around one point one million

486
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Speaker 5: dollars in revenue from Google ads alone.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Jim Hoft lives in a very very nice house.

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Speaker 5: So that is where we can make a difference, and

489
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Speaker 5: we can do it because these ad exchanges all have

490
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Speaker 5: supply policies, and these supply policies are essentially an agreement

491
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Speaker 5: that they have with advertisers who do want to advertise

492
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Speaker 5: in as many places as they can, but they don't

493
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Speaker 5: want to end up on polices like Gateway Pundit. So

494
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Speaker 5: these exchanges, the vendors have explicitly written out in their

495
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Speaker 5: policies that they won't work with websites like the Gateway Pundit.

496
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Speaker 5: And by the way, a lot of these at exchanges

497
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Speaker 5: adopted this language after our Sleeping Giants campaign against Breitbark And.

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Speaker 1: I want to just pause for a second and talk

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Speaker 1: about Jim Hoff for one second. For people who are

500
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Speaker 1: not quite as read in as we are, Jim Hoff

501
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: is a guy who just basically makes stuff up and

502
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 1: it's all very crazy, Republican, trumpy kind of Can you

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Speaker 1: give us sort of an example of one of his stories.

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Speaker 4: I mean, where do I even again? I mean, they're

505
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Speaker 4: really really out there.

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Speaker 5: He said a lot of stuff about I mean, he

507
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Speaker 5: was one of the biggest voices against COVID vaccines. And

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Speaker 5: the funny thing is he's now on the record thanks

509
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Speaker 5: to a documentary from a French filmmaker which I do

510
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 5: want to talk about shortly, that he doesn't believe anything

511
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Speaker 5: that he said.

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Speaker 1: Right, which is shocking because I always just thought he

513
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Speaker 1: was really stupid. But yeah, me and a lot of

514
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 1: just completely crazy just to have targeting people dominion staff

515
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: the whole nine yards. He now has declared bankruptcy.

516
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Speaker 5: In the summer of twenty twenty, I successfully managed to

517
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Speaker 5: get Jim hoft Gateway Pundit kicked off of like three

518
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 5: or four AD exchanges, which was awesome because someone was watching.

519
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 4: And that someone was a woman named aud Favra.

520
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 5: She is a French content creator, documentarian, filmmaker, and she

521
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 5: contacted me to say that she was working on a

522
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 5: documentary about AD funded disinformation and then she was specifically

523
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 5: working on the Gateway Pundit. What I didn't know until later,

524
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 5: until almost before this documentary aired, was that she managed

525
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 5: to get a meeting with Jim Hoft, invited her into

526
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Speaker 5: into his home, showed her all his giant, magnificent rooms

527
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 5: filled with fancy chandeliers paid for by Google ads, where

528
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 5: he told her I.

529
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Speaker 4: Don't actually believe the stuff that I publish.

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Speaker 5: In that same documentary, add also managed to get an interview,

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Speaker 5: an on camera interview. This is so unusual and rare

532
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 5: with a Google representative, and what she did was so smart.

533
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 4: She took print outs.

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Speaker 5: Of all the crazy stuff that that Gateway Pundit has.

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00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 5: Maybe not all, because that would be a really big folder,

536
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,719
Speaker 5: but she got a really good samplus set of Gateway

537
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 5: Pundits articles and confronted the Google rep on camera with

538
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 5: printouts and says, don't these articles violate your policy your

539
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 5: supply policy? And the Google rep was just clearly flustered.

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Speaker 5: He was not expecting this. He thought this is going

541
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Speaker 5: to be a softball interview. Basically didn't know what to

542
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 5: say in the face of this clear evidence. There's no

543
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 5: other answer to this other than you're right, they should

544
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 5: not be monetized. And what happened was a few days

545
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 5: before this documentary was set to launch in France on

546
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 5: National TV, Google dropped the Gateway Pundit and flat out

547
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 5: just devastated the Gateway Pundit.

548
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 4: Again.

549
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 5: I can't speak to the numbers, but we do know

550
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 5: for a fact that Google Ads is the biggest ally

551
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 5: and funder of disinformation in not just in the United States, but.

552
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Speaker 4: In the world.

553
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 5: So when you have ads, when you have access to

554
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 5: a Google Ads account, you have access to in theory,

555
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 5: unlimited funds, which is one of the reasons why Jim huffed,

556
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 5: you know, produces eighty one hundred articles per day, because

557
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 5: each one of those articles is money. I mean, he's

558
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 5: literally printing money. So getting him kicked off of those

559
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 5: ad exchanges, particularly Google, was huge. And while it did

560
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 5: not put him out of business immediately, what happen is

561
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 5: when he was sued by the election workers who he defamed,

562
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 5: he lost a lot of resiliency.

563
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Speaker 4: That money isn't coming in anymore.

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Speaker 5: I suspect that he can't afford to fight these lawsuits

565
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 5: because the money isn't coming in. Wow.

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Speaker 1: I mean the Gateway Pundit was also like a favor

567
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Speaker 1: of Trump. He fed a lot of the lawes that

568
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Speaker 1: then we saw. I mean, these far right content creators,

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Speaker 1: I feel like they are a mobius strip and one feeds,

570
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Speaker 1: the next feeds the next, and it ends up on

571
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Speaker 1: a way and right, I mean there's a whole sort

572
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Speaker 1: of there's a way this works, right.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, They feed off of each other, they cross link,

574
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 5: they feature each other on each other's videos. They're constantly

575
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 5: cross pollinating. And this is frankly, it's very good marketing.

576
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 5: And they're very smart and very good at what they

577
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 5: do and That's why they need to be That's why

578
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 5: these supply policies are so important because that because marketing

579
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 5: is great, but if you're but if you're marketing in

580
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Speaker 5: a way that is detrimental, dangerous, or derogatory, that needs

581
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Speaker 5: to be nipped in the bud.

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Speaker 1: Right and that is is the way to do it.

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Speaker 1: So in this country, three hundred plus million people, what

584
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Speaker 1: ten million read newspapers, I mean much less than that,

585
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: but a couple million watch cable television. There's a majority

586
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Speaker 1: of people in this country who are not getting their

587
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: news from cable television or from newspapers or magazines. So

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00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: are they getting it from these sites? I mean, what

589
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: are the numbers on this sort of traffic on these sites?

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Speaker 5: I couldn't give you an answer to that specifically, but

591
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 5: but more generally, I would say that that the disinfo

592
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 5: outlets that were the most prominent in twenty twenty and

593
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 5: in the years before that are seeing a fairly significant

594
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 5: decline in traffic. That is because Facebook has been deprioritizing

595
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 5: news and political content in our news feed, so that

596
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 5: has had a really strong effect on these outlets. It's

597
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 5: unfortunately also had a strong effect on real news outlets.

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00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 5: The fact is that the tech companies refuse to differentiate

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Speaker 5: between disinformation and news. Let me tell you something that's

600
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 5: really interesting. Samsung. So if any of your listeners have

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Speaker 5: a Samsung TV and you watch Samsung TV live, turn

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Speaker 5: that on. There is various categories of channels that you

603
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 5: can watch, and one of those categories is New than Politics,

604
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 5: and on News and Politics, you'll be able to watch

605
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 5: channels like a cs NBC, ABC, and you'll also be

606
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 5: able to watch Steve Bannon's War Room on Real Am.

607
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 5: Really yeah, And what Samsung does is they bundle up

608
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 5: all of these channels under News and Politics and they

609
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Speaker 5: sell the bundle to advertisers to run their ads on.

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Speaker 5: So two years ago, Bannon was bragging to the Atlantic

611
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Speaker 5: about how he's doing so great that he's added another

612
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Speaker 5: hour to his show to accommodate his sponsors. And I

613
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 5: was like, what the hell is he talking about? So

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Speaker 5: I turned on my TV. I saw ads for Edsy, Volvo, Audi, Nissan,

615
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 5: and BMW. I mean, the biggest brands in the world,

616
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 5: Procter and Gamble brands tied and that.

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Speaker 1: I have Evolvo.

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Speaker 2: Favo.

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Speaker 1: What are you doing?

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Speaker 5: They don't want to be on there, and that's the

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Speaker 5: thing these advertisers have already set. Etsy was one of

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Speaker 5: the first companies to block Breitbart back in twenty sixty.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so these guys, they don't want their ads on here.

624
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 5: What's happening is that their vendors are feeling them, and

625
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 5: they do it through these sneaky, sneaky ways. So I

626
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 5: have asked Samsung, why is it that you have bundled

627
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Speaker 5: a news site with a disinformation outlet like Real America's Voice,

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Speaker 5: I mean Bannon's on in the morning, followed by Charlie Kirk,

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Speaker 5: followed by I don't know, Jack Pisobiac.

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Speaker 1: This is not news. Whatever this is, it's not news.

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Speaker 4: They just keep getting away with it.

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Speaker 5: And so that's why what we do is so important,

633
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 5: because we work with advertisers. We talk to advertisers, and

634
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 5: we speak to marketing and brand representatives about what's happening,

635
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 5: because a lot of the time they aren't aware of

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00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 5: what is happening with their ads, and because there's constantly

637
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 5: new places for these bad guys to be expanding their

638
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 5: little empires into. Like Bannon is a great example. He

639
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,280
Speaker 5: went from websites to a TV show on streaming TV

640
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 5: and streaming TV is like the wild West of digital advertising.

641
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 5: If you talk to any advertiser, they're going to be like, God,

642
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 5: I hope my ads aren't running on like it's on

643
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 5: rushing state TV because it's impossible to know what's actually happening.

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Speaker 1: I think that it's right. And I also think that,

645
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: like what you're doing here, which I think is really important,

646
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: is everyone is so busy and everything is expanded so

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00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 1: quickly that there have to be people checking on what's happening.

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Speaker 1: And because and again I know that I said this

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Speaker 1: earlier and maybe you thought I was being a little

650
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Speaker 1: bit nutty about this, but I'm actually right, I promise,

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Speaker 1: because there's no regulation for any of this. There's no

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Speaker 1: one to regulate it, right, there's no industry, there's no

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Speaker 1: FDA for streaming.

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Speaker 5: I do want to point out that regulation is very

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Speaker 5: important and core to what we're doing at check my ads,

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Speaker 5: but oura of regulation is slightly different.

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Speaker 4: So we operate from the insight that I.

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Speaker 5: Just said, which is that advertisers don't even know where

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Speaker 5: their ads are running, and oftentimes, almost all the time,

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Speaker 5: the ads that end up where they do happened without

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Speaker 5: the knowledge or consent of the advertiser. So imagine how

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Speaker 5: much money did Volvo fork over to Steve Bannon. I

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Speaker 5: bet they're not happy about that. What this really comes

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Speaker 5: down to is the fact that there is this six

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Speaker 5: hundred billion dollar digital advertising industry that is operating under

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Speaker 5: almost like just a cloak of darkness. We know how

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Speaker 5: money is being spent, so when it comes down to

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Speaker 5: an advertiser saying, or even if anyone ever mandated, you know,

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Speaker 5: don't run your ads on X or Y, there's no

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Speaker 5: way for us to verify that because the digital advertising

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Speaker 5: vendors are keeping that information advertisers, they.

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Speaker 1: Don't need to produce the transparency, so they're not going.

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Speaker 5: To exactly And that's why this keeps happening. Because advertisers

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Speaker 5: can't see where their ads are going. They don't have visibility,

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Speaker 5: and so we're in a situation where billions of dollars

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Speaker 5: every year advertisers are just basically handing them over to strangers.

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Speaker 1: I think this and Congress could say that there needs

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Speaker 1: to be clarity about that, and they could make finds,

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Speaker 1: but god forbid, I'm sorry, everybody's off. It's a Thursday.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. This is so important. I hope

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Speaker 1: you'll come back and talk more about all of your

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Speaker 1: victories and what an important service you're providing.

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Speaker 4: Oh well, thank you so much, Molly for letting me

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Speaker 4: talk about this today. I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: George Whitesidees is a candidate for Congress in California's twenty

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Speaker 1: seven district. Welcome too, Fast Politics, George white Side, Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much, Molly, it's great to be with you.

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Speaker 1: Explain to us what you're running for.

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Speaker 6: So I am running for Congress, trying to bring a

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Speaker 6: voice for pragmatic leadership out in California's twenty seventh congressional district,

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Speaker 6: which is on the north side of La County, and

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Speaker 6: I'm running against super Maga Mike Garcia.

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Speaker 1: You are a congressperson from Los Angeles running for a

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Speaker 1: seat that is occupied by a Republican make it make sense,

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Speaker 1: and a Maga Republican.

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Speaker 2: It's absolutely nuts.

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Speaker 6: Right, So just a little bit about me. So, I

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Speaker 6: am a space guy, right. I was chief of staff

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Speaker 6: of NASA for President Obama. Grew up wanting to work

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Speaker 6: in NASA and did that under the Obama administration absolutely fantastic.

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Speaker 6: Then went on to move out to the district to

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Speaker 6: run an aerospace company called Virgin Galactic did that for

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Speaker 6: about ten years. Amazing experience and help the community in

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Speaker 6: a lot of ways along the way, particularly in wilds

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Speaker 6: in COVID And we can talk about those things. But

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Speaker 6: you know, the crazy thing, Molly, is that on the

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Speaker 6: door side of La County is arguably the best chance

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Speaker 6: to flip a seat for the Democrats to help out

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Speaker 6: and flip the House in the entire country. And it's

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Speaker 6: this district that Biden won by twelve and a half points.

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Speaker 1: Jesus, how did Democrats lose this district in Sanitay.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's complicated.

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Speaker 1: It's okay, we don't have to go back there. Yes,

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Speaker 1: so explain to us how we got here, with why

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Speaker 1: you decided to run, and also tell me some horrifying

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Speaker 1: things about Mike Gercia.

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Speaker 6: How we got here is we're in a purple district

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Speaker 6: that's trending blue. All of the underlying indicators of this

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Speaker 6: district are really heading in our direction, right, So voting

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Speaker 6: for Biden by twelve and a half points Democratic registration

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Speaker 6: advantage of twelve points. It's a district that voted for

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Speaker 6: Prop One, which was this California amendment protecting reproductive freedom

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Speaker 6: by almost twenty four points, right, and so all these

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Speaker 6: things are sort of, you know, indications that this is

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Speaker 6: a district that we should have, and yet we have

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Speaker 6: this representative now, Molly, who is stridently anti choice. Right.

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Speaker 6: He was one of the co sponsors of what we

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Speaker 6: call the National Abortion Band Life of Conception Act. He

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Speaker 6: was one of these guys who voted to you overturn

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Speaker 6: the presidential election in twenty twenty. And he votes to

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Speaker 6: cut the budget by thirty percent. It votes for Mike

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Speaker 6: Johnson and Jim Jordan and all these things. And so

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Speaker 6: we've got a great opportunity here to flip a seat

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Speaker 6: because like, our district is pro choice, it's pro Biden,

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Speaker 6: it's moving towards the Democrats, and it's kind of the

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Speaker 6: perfect time to flip one of these four seats that

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Speaker 6: we need in the country.

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Speaker 1: So what is Mike Garcia like, he's embraced MAGA. Tell

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Speaker 1: us more about that.

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Speaker 6: Well, he's just going to do whatever Donald Trump wants, right,

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Speaker 6: and so you know that's what he did back in

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Speaker 6: twenty twenty when they wanted to overturn the election. And

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Speaker 6: he's just really really out of touch.

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Speaker 1: He also secretly sold Boeing stock ahead of a Dan report.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, you heard about that. Yeah, it's actually absolutely bonkers,

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Speaker 6: right because you know, I worked in the Obama administration,

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Speaker 6: which had these super high ethical protections and did very well, right, Like,

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Speaker 6: we had very few ethics issues. If anybody had done

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Speaker 6: anything even vaguely like what Garcia has done, they would

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Speaker 6: have been so out during that time. But that's just

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Speaker 6: an indication of how crazy it is. Let me just

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Speaker 6: summarize what happens for your listeners. So basically, back in

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Speaker 6: twenty twenty, my boning Garcia was on the Transportation Infrastructure

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Speaker 6: Committee in Congress, which was investigating Boeing at that time

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Speaker 6: for those terrible accidents that they had, and so they

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Speaker 6: were about to come out with this very damning report

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Speaker 6: on Boeing as a company, and so right before then,

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Speaker 6: Garcia sold fifty thousand dollars worth of Boeing stock, And

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Speaker 6: that in itself is like totally unethical and terrible. But

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Speaker 6: more than that, he then didn't report it as he

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Speaker 6: was required to under congressional rules until after the election.

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Speaker 6: And this is an election that he won by three

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Speaker 6: hundred votes, So like, it is absolutely insane that he's

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Speaker 6: like essentially there because he was he seems to have

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Speaker 6: been hiding unethical stock creating behavior.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I shouldn't laugh, but again, if you do,

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Speaker 1: when I'm going to make you promise me right now

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Speaker 1: that you will that you guys will work on this.

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Speaker 4: We got to fix this.

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Speaker 1: Members should not trade stocks.

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Speaker 6: It's just like bad idea jeans, you know, for your

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Speaker 6: older listeners. It's just a terrible idea. We got to

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Speaker 6: change that. We got to fix a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 6: And I mean, like that's what I'm a pragmatist, right, I'm,

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Speaker 6: you know, one of these guys who just wants to

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Speaker 6: get stuff done. And I am so disgusted by what

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Speaker 6: I see in Congress now under Republican leadership. It's just

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Speaker 6: so it doesn't do anything. And like that is one

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Speaker 6: of the things that we got to do. But I

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Speaker 6: think we got to go under the hood in a

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Speaker 6: lot lot of ways and really reform Congress because it's

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Speaker 6: just not up to snuff to answer the challenges of

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Speaker 6: you know, the twenty first century.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is sort of shocking to me. And there's

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Speaker 1: so many things that this Congress does, like the Appliance

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Speaker 1: Messaging Bill, the anti science rhetoric. So here you are,

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Speaker 1: you were at Virgin Galactic, You've confronted science and you

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Speaker 1: believe in it. Talk to me about this. You know,

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Speaker 1: they want to make sure that Democrats can't ban gas

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Speaker 1: stoves because God forbid anything that. And Democrats don't even

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Speaker 1: want to ban gastobes. But the thinking mind this was

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Speaker 1: at gastoves and I have a gastobe. They league, but

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Speaker 1: the idea that this Congress would then run with it

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Speaker 1: as a sort of like tenant of the new Republican

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Speaker 1: Party seems nuts to met.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Part of the reason, a big part of the reason

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Speaker 6: why I'm running, is that I think we need more

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Speaker 6: people who are literate in science and technology in Congress

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Speaker 6: to address these huge challenges we've got coming down the road.

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Speaker 6: And so, like, what are those challenges, ai, you know,

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Speaker 6: the social media and how it affects our kids. I

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Speaker 6: have an eleven year old and a thirteen year old,

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Speaker 6: and I am just absolutely terrified about what's about to

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Speaker 6: happen over the next ten years in their lives. Climate change,

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Speaker 6: you know, healthcare. We have to have people who understand

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Speaker 6: this stuff, or at least understand it enough to like

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Speaker 6: address the fundamental issues and you know, I like to

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Speaker 6: say my favorite movie is Apollo thirteen, of course, and

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Speaker 6: there's this great scene in Apollo thirteen where you know,

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Speaker 6: the spacecraft is broken. It's out in lunar orbit or

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Speaker 6: whatever it is, and back on Earth, they like get

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Speaker 6: their smartest engineers together and they kind of throw on

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Speaker 6: the table all the stuff that they think is inside

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Speaker 6: the capsule and they say like, Okay, you got to

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Speaker 6: fix it, you know, with this stuff. And I kind

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Speaker 6: of feel like we're at that kind of moment with

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Speaker 6: American democracy. You know, it's like a failure is not

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Speaker 6: an option. We got to we got to take what

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Speaker 6: we have, and good people have to you know, run

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Speaker 6: towards the fire. Not to mix my metaphors, but I'm

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Speaker 6: also really into the wheld fire challenge we can talk about,

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Speaker 6: you know, like we have to have good people run

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Speaker 6: towards this dumpster fire that is the Republican led Congress

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Speaker 6: to fix it. Because these challenges that we've got, whether

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Speaker 6: it's technology challenges or whether it's housing or you know,

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Speaker 6: clean energy or affordable healthcare, Like we got to be

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Speaker 6: smart about addressing these things. And if we ignore the science,

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Speaker 6: if we ignore the facts, like we're just not going

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Speaker 6: to solve this stuff. And so that's that's a big

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Speaker 6: part of why I'm running it is.

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Speaker 1: But the Biden administration, they've done sort of incredible generational

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Speaker 1: climate change legislation.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, I mean they have done amazing stuff, right and

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Speaker 6: you know we should give them do credit for huge,

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Speaker 6: huge things that they have done.

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Speaker 1: Will be the only people doing it, but yes, we'll

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Speaker 1: do it right now, very unshe.

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Speaker 6: At least here you and I are going to give

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Speaker 6: them credit. And so I do that. I give them credit.

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Speaker 6: You know, I think back to the Obama instration administration

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Speaker 6: it's very similar, you know, like amazing people going into

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Speaker 6: work in the federal government. And by the way, we

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Speaker 6: need more people like that, right, Like we have to

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Speaker 6: inspire people that you can do good work inside the government,

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Speaker 6: right that you you know that it's not this thing

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Speaker 6: that you should burn down, because the government is going

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Speaker 6: to be a key part of the solution. I'll give

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Speaker 6: you an example at NASA, we really wanted to reinvigorate

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Speaker 6: NASA in a lot of ways, and not just increasing

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Speaker 6: the Earth Science budget, but also sort of like figuring

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Speaker 6: out how we can interact with the private sector in

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Speaker 6: ways that work better, and so we made some changes

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Speaker 6: under the hood, and now like great things are happening

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Speaker 6: in the American space industry. We're discovering all this stuff

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Speaker 6: in space, and our companies are doing really well, generating thousands,

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Speaker 6: tens of the thousands of jobs all across the country.

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Speaker 6: And we took some tough decisions back there. And that's

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Speaker 6: what we have to do, is we have to like

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Speaker 6: really be smart about these big policy problems. Certainly, the

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Speaker 6: Biden administration is doing awesome work in climate and healthcare

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Speaker 6: and many other things. And I'm just like terribly worried,

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Speaker 6: honestly about what this fall holds and the crucial importance

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Speaker 6: of Tea taking back the House not just for these issues,

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Speaker 6: but also for you know, the issues around democracy. Right,

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Speaker 6: Like I say to everybody, let's keep in mind, you know,

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Speaker 6: these are the people going to be certifying the election

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Speaker 6: in twenty twenty four. Yeah, I didn't go so well,

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Speaker 6: you know, I mean, it went fine, And imagine if

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Speaker 6: some of these people are in charge of that when

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Speaker 6: we get to that point, we can't have that right,

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Speaker 6: So we have to flip the House.

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Speaker 1: One of the things I was actually thinking about when

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Speaker 1: we're talking was that if Democrats don't flip the House,

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Speaker 1: the idea that Mike Johnson, who Trump decided he was

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Speaker 1: his guy because of the briefs he wrote about the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty election.

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Speaker 6: Right, absolutely, this is what's so terrifying about this scenario. Right,

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Speaker 6: I mean, you play it out, and I mean you

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Speaker 6: are doing such a good job of exposing these issues

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Speaker 6: because we have to be really honest and focus on

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Speaker 6: the reality of what we're heading towards. We're heading towards

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Speaker 6: a reality where if we don't flip the House, we

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Speaker 6: have a bunch of election deniers in control of the House.

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Speaker 6: We're controllingscation, we have the possibility of a president who

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Speaker 6: could be the end of American democracy. I wrote a

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Speaker 6: note as I have a good friend of mine in

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Speaker 6: Congress today, a guy named Derek Kilmer. He's a really

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Speaker 6: amazing guy, represents Washington State, and he was, you know,

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Speaker 6: in Congress in twenty twenty. And I remember sending him

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Speaker 6: a text message in the middle of the afternoon on

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Speaker 6: January sixth, and I said to him, and we were

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Speaker 6: texting back and forth, he was alone in the Capitol,

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Speaker 6: and you know, of course number one, I was like,

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Speaker 6: you know, are you o pay. But number two, he

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Speaker 6: and I were talking about the importance of getting back

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Speaker 6: into the capital, you know, and certifying the presidential election.

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Speaker 6: Think of you know, if we had a Republican controlled

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Speaker 6: Congress or House at that moment in time, you know,

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Speaker 6: and how catastrophic that would have been at that moment.

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Speaker 6: So you know, this is really existential. Every election is

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Speaker 6: the most important election, Molly, right, but this really really is,

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Speaker 6: I think, and that's why I ran, you know, like

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Speaker 6: in twenty sixteen. It was so existential, right, We all

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Speaker 6: felt that concern and worry when Trump was elected, and

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Speaker 6: I didn't feel like I was at a point where

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Speaker 6: I could exactly step back from the company and stuff,

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Speaker 6: but I knew like I had to step up. That

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Speaker 6: we all have to step up. I mean, you step

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Speaker 6: up every week or you know, all the time. We

911
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Speaker 6: all have to do that right now because if we're not,

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Speaker 6: but we have serious problems if we don't flip the house.

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Speaker 1: You know, it seems like such an existential threat. But

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Speaker 1: there really are people on the other side who really

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Speaker 1: believe in Trump and trump Ism And can we do

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Speaker 1: two seconds on climate change? Because you worked at Virgin

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Speaker 1: Galactu and you are coming from Los Angeles. Are you

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Speaker 1: shocked and how quickly it's happened around us? And also

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Speaker 1: are you shocked by how little people have admitted that

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00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: it Like there's a sense in which there's like a

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Speaker 1: faked in fatalism about it that I'm very surprised by.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So I have a degree in remote sensing, you know,

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Speaker 6: which is like satellite imagery of planet Earth. And you

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Speaker 6: have worked at NASA, and the data that we're getting.

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Speaker 1: Right now, Molly is very scary.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 6: You look at the temperature of the oceans and they're

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Speaker 6: literally off the charts, like literally that is not an exaggeration.

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Speaker 6: They are off the charts of what they have been

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Speaker 6: over the last you know, ten twenty thirty years. And

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Speaker 6: that's where a lot of the heat you know, of

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Speaker 6: our planet is absorbed in the oceans. And if those

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Speaker 6: are now shooting up. But it's methane, right, It's a

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Speaker 6: lot of things. But the point is that the scary idea,

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Speaker 6: and it's not yet confirmed, but the scary idea is

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Speaker 6: that we may be on a new curve for warming

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Speaker 6: for planet Earth. And this is the way that I

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Speaker 6: bring it home for voters in my district. Because climate

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Speaker 6: change can seem sort of, you know, abstract to some people.

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Speaker 6: In our district, we have a huge threat from catastrophic wildfires,

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Speaker 6: which of course have you know, swept the American West

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Speaker 6: over the last five or ten years. And people are

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Speaker 6: worried about two things. They're worried about their homes burning

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Speaker 6: down and their commune unities burning up. My wife, by

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Speaker 6: the way, grew up in Santa Rosa where they had

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Speaker 6: a terrible fire where five thousand homes were burned. They're

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Speaker 6: worried about that catastrophic risk, but they're also worried about

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Speaker 6: the financial risk embedded in their insurance policies. So hundreds

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Speaker 6: thousands of Californians in our district are currently getting kicked

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Speaker 6: off their insurance because these private insurers are basically just

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Speaker 6: leaving the state or they're refusing to write new coverage,

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Speaker 6: and so what they're what our voters are being forced

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Speaker 6: to do is to get on a state backed plan

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Speaker 6: which costs thousands of dollars more. And what I say

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Speaker 6: to folks is like, this is really climate risk becoming

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Speaker 6: very real for all of us, and so we need

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Speaker 6: to have smart people who can actually address these climate

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Speaker 6: risk related issues. Like wildfires, like hurricanes, like other things,

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Speaker 6: and you look at the other side and they don't

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Speaker 6: take any of this seriously. My opponent doesn't think that

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Speaker 6: climate change has anything to do with wildfires, and that

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Speaker 6: kind of attitude, that blindness to the reality of our

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Speaker 6: world is really catastrophic and presents huge, huge problems for

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Speaker 6: our ability to use solve these issues.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, what do you think those numbers are?

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Speaker 1: When you look at the new climate change track percentage warming?

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Speaker 6: Unfortunately, it's it's quite clear we're going to exceed this

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Speaker 6: one point five degree celsius thing. You know, by the way,

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Speaker 6: we have got like a tactical mistake that we made

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Speaker 6: was to present all these numbers in celsius. It's really

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Speaker 6: like a three degree thing. But that's just like global average.

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Speaker 6: A lot of places will be looking at you know,

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Speaker 6: you know, ten degrees fahrenheit, fifteen degrees, twenty degrees fahrenheit.

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Speaker 1: I live in New York. It goes from sixty to eighty.

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Speaker 1: You know, it goes from forty to eighty. I mean,

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Speaker 1: none of that is normal. We don't have snow anymore.

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Speaker 6: It's really scary and so but we need to have hope,

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Speaker 6: right and This is not just in the area of

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Speaker 6: climate change. It's in the area of like democracy, it's

981
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Speaker 6: in the area of all these things that we need

982
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Speaker 6: to be thinking about. Like we need to have the

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Speaker 6: hope that we can solve these challenges. And I do

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Speaker 6: believe that we can, like if we get good people

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Speaker 6: into government, if we get good people into Congress, you know,

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Speaker 6: if we keep the White House, like we have the

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Speaker 6: capacity to solve these problems nationally, globally and locally. Like

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Speaker 6: you know, I talked to a lot of young voters

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Speaker 6: in our districts. It's just over at community college College

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Speaker 6: of the Canyons, and you know, some kids are really

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Speaker 6: bummed out now and I try to get them excited

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Speaker 6: that like, no, we can solve these problems, but we

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Speaker 6: got to address them honestly. We got to like look

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Speaker 6: at the facts and if we do that, we can

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Speaker 6: we can have a positive impact.

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Speaker 4: We just can't lose hope.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really true. Thank you so much, George, and

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Speaker 1: good luck.

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Speaker 6: Thanks Molly, it's great to speak with you.

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Speaker 2: A moment.

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Speaker 7: Jesse Cannon, Mally Jung Fast Trump particular with the Roe

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Speaker 7: versus weight, he really likes to pretend that public sentiment

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Speaker 7: is something that's not what are you seeing here?

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Speaker 1: So Trump says that a lot of people like it

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Speaker 1: when he floats the idea of being a dictator, again,

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Speaker 1: I don't like it. It's bad. American democracy is fragile.

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Speaker 1: Trump said that a lot of people like it, he

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Speaker 1: told the Times. This is from this Time magazine article

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Speaker 1: which has Trump talking about deportation camps. They're not for you,

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Speaker 1: or maybe not for you yet. And if states want

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Speaker 1: to monitor women's cycles, he's okay with that. Well. He

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Speaker 1: also wants you to know that people love his authoritarian rhetoric.

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Speaker 1: And not since the Civil War have freedom and democracy

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Speaker 1: been under insult at home as they are today because

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Speaker 1: of Donald Trump. Trump is willing to throw away the

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Speaker 1: very idea of American democracy and we're seeing it right here.

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Speaker 1: And for that Trump's authoritarian leaning and his belief that

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Speaker 1: people like it, that is our moment of our gray.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics, and every Monday,

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Speaker 1: Wednesday and Friday to hear the best minds in politics

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Speaker 1: makes sense of all this chaos. If you enjoyed what

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