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Speaker 1: Kesha and the Creepies is a production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: There are people that I know who who are MA

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Speaker 1: since who have gone through the initiation process, and I

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Speaker 1: can see the difference in them as they've gone through

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Speaker 1: the different steps, you know, because it all it's also

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Speaker 1: perflection again, you know, it's like what I was talking

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Speaker 1: about earlier with the bathing of the lingom. It's like

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Speaker 1: another way of like recognizing the self. And there's there's

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Speaker 1: an actual death ritual in their initiation, like a symbolic

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Speaker 1: death that you must go through to become a Masturmason.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Kesha and the Creepies today. I am

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Speaker 1: very excited to welcome my next guest. This is Robert Ryan.

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Speaker 1: He's an amazing artist, tattoo artist and friend. How are you.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing well, it's great that do you What else

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Speaker 1: would you like to add to your job description? My resume?

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Speaker 1: What's your resume? A visual artist that happens to have

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Speaker 1: a temple for Lord Shiva in his backyard in New Jersey,

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Speaker 1: which you're sitting in right now. I think right I'm

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Speaker 1: sitting in the temple right now. You can see there's

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Speaker 1: this Shiva lingam is right behind me and uh next

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Speaker 1: to me, and some of the things that we've talked

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Speaker 1: about before, um, when I was tattooing you and just

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Speaker 1: friendly conversation, I had to do with some of you know,

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Speaker 1: like the traveling that I had done spiritually or some

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Speaker 1: of the pilgrimages that I need, So that that's definitely

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Speaker 1: an aspect. But primarily I'm a tattoo artist from New Jersey,

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Speaker 1: but you're so much more than just a tattoo artist

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Speaker 1: from New Jersey. Being a tattoo artist from New Jersey

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Speaker 1: is a pretty high It's pretty high in the evolutionary

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Speaker 1: cheam that you have to go through to become just that. Man,

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Speaker 1: It's like, it's insane. Well, you're the finest tattoo artist

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Speaker 1: in New Jersey. How have you been holding up during

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Speaker 1: this insane time? It's actually been the most productive, most

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Speaker 1: beneficial time in my life, which I feel kind of

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Speaker 1: guilty saying. But I don't feel guilty saying it at all.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm not The suffering that we're all going

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Speaker 1: trying to use it to temper my own awareness in life.

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Speaker 1: I have not stopped going and going and going for

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Speaker 1: since I was twenty one years old, and it just

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Speaker 1: was such a crazy experience. Getting used to not being

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Speaker 1: really really stressed out every day was so weird, and

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Speaker 1: I'm still adjusting to it. Like waking up and not

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Speaker 1: being in a panic feels really strange. Yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I feel the same way as you. Like,

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Speaker 1: it's not lost on me that this is a horrible

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Speaker 1: time for a lot of people and there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of loss and a lot of grief, but being able

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Speaker 1: to be with myself for a moment has been beneficial,

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Speaker 1: I think. Yeah. I think also the sobering factor of like,

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Speaker 1: the inevitable of death. You know, it's like a tiger

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Speaker 1: something in a different kind of perspective where the mundane

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Speaker 1: Or the simple things in life you can find like

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Speaker 1: see it through that kind of filter. For me, I'm

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Speaker 1: appreciating every little thing so much more. And also, weirdly,

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Speaker 1: I've had this urge to just get rid of most

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Speaker 1: my stuff on eBay, because it's bringing all the people

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Speaker 1: that I would be on tour with, like they have

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Speaker 1: it's making space for newness. Yeah, it's like spring cleaning

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Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, yeah, I'm like a plus gatherer. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: like a motherfucker. So for those of you listening, I've

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Speaker 1: It's a rainbow and clouds in an eyeball, and he

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Speaker 1: that was the most painful thing in the entire world.

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Speaker 1: I love both of the tattoos. You gave me feel

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Speaker 1: because I didn't realize kind of the gravity of how

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Speaker 1: Is more like party scars or fun memories, and like

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Speaker 1: I met you and Brad was telling me all about

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Speaker 1: Dan Higgs. And there's a whole lineage behind what you

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Speaker 1: do and the kind of tattoos you do. They're classic,

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Speaker 1: but they feel spiritual and they look spiritual. Maybe it's

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Speaker 1: because I know you, but they feel like their own genre. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: I'm not a tattoo artist, so I don't know the

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Speaker 1: but it is part of the lineage of tattoos that

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Speaker 1: You're totally right. He's a complete psycho, but he only

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Speaker 1: has perfect tattoos. I would have to agree with you.

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Speaker 1: All his suits are probably folded perfectly. Cloud and the

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Speaker 1: like American psych go the best business card. It's so true. Well,

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Speaker 1: for because like that experience sounds incredible, you know. For one,

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Speaker 1: You don't want the couch, I could do a tattoo

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Speaker 1: It was a man. But then like you see, like

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Speaker 1: not too much later in different parts of the world,

427
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 1: there's like way more elaborate stuff, you know, like stuff

428
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: that kind of looks like the cave paintings in France. Yeah,

429
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 1: you know, like similar to that kind of look like

430
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 1: the same kind of artwork that was being made on

431
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: the caves they were making on themselves. I've been thinking

432
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 1: about the power symbols and how there are a lot

433
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 1: of tattoos you see on a lot of people and

434
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 1: they just are recurring like eyeballs, and there's a lot

435
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 1: of crosses there in a lot of your tattoos, like

436
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: a is it a mendola? Yeah, yeah, herds, daggers, snakes, swords,

437
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 1: naked ladies. And it's just kind of wondering if, hey,

438
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Speaker 1: what's your favorite thing to like tattoo on somebody that

439
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 1: is just getting like a souvenir tattoo that you know

440
00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 1: is a very powerful symbol, but maybe they don't even

441
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 1: know it, but you know it. Well. Yeah, any of

442
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 1: that stuff from the American traditional, the classic American traditional

443
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 1: cannon of images, I think is really like a useful

444
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: codex of these just just and it's also like a

445
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: great because like it was such a like kind of

446
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: rough and crude approach to doing the work. But people

447
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 1: were finally starting to get pictures like kind of shaded

448
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: and colored on them and stuff like that. Several things

449
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:35,199
Speaker 1: really stripped down to was like really like raw form.

450
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: So like you know, like you said, like you said,

451
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: you see like a tiger through a skull. I think

452
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: a skull might be one of my favorite images. And

453
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people see that as a negative image,

454
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 1: but I don't see it as negative at all. Um.

455
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: I think it's a very positive to be able to

456
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: reflect on the impermanence of life, you know, and like

457
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: you know, you think about Shakespeare has a skull, you know, yeah,

458
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: of course, yeah, just like it's the existential crisis of mankind.

459
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: You know, Yes, I know that very well. I feel

460
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 1: like that's the one of the main things that drives

461
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: me to make art and drives most people to do

462
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: most things, is the existential crisis of Like you said,

463
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: I love that, like the tiger and the bushes waiting

464
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 1: like it's gonna happen. You're we're all going to die.

465
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: It's the only thing we for sure know, and it's

466
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: terrifying because we don't know what that means, so we

467
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: scramble around our whole lives trying to like create a

468
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 1: legacy or have children, or leave a positive impact. Or

469
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: some people are just like burn it down. You see

470
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: that in politics just some people are like, well, I'm

471
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 1: gonna be dead, so I'm just gonna get what I

472
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 1: need today right now, what I want, money, power, oil,

473
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: whatever it is. So I just feel like it's going

474
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 1: to be the constant. It's going to be the infinite battle.

475
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 1: It's like Star Wars, It's the infinite battle between light

476
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 1: and dark. And I think it mostly always comes back

477
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 1: to the fact that nobody really wants to die. But

478
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: like me personally, I don't want to die, but I

479
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: also don't want to live forever. That sounds exhausting now,

480
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 1: and then you have to think of like what dies,

481
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: you know, Like does your soul die? I don't think

482
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: it does. Um your body dies? Are you your body?

483
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 1: I don't think you are? You know? Like I Oh,

484
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: I think that it's like a it's like a a housing,

485
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 1: like um, I feel like the outside. I like to

486
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 1: think of it like I'm a Christmas tree and all

487
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: the tattoos are my ornaments, yes, yes, yea or or

488
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 1: you're the temple, but what like, what happens inside the

489
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: temple is what's really important. You can adorn it, you

490
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: can build it however you want. You can make the

491
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: cathedral as beautiful as you want, But what happens inside

492
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 1: the cathedral what's important? Seeing what the soul and the body? Yeah,

493
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: I think it's just like a husk, and we can shop,

494
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: we cast to the side, you know, because that's where again,

495
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 1: where we're talking about existential crisis is. You know, the

496
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 1: body consciousness is a huge each problem. You know when

497
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: you when you you start identifying as the body, you're

498
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 1: going to run into all kinds of situations. You know,

499
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: as a woman in pop music, I know about that,

500
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: and it's something that I just like, it's exhausting. But

501
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: then I finally have gotten to this point where I'm

502
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: just a Christmas tree now and I like thinking about

503
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: myself like that because this is the housing for my soul.

504
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 1: And if you get too caught up in it, then

505
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 1: you're focusing on the wrong ship. You're not focusing on

506
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 1: the power that's inside the temple. I think a Christmas

507
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: tree is an excellent analogy. You keep decorating it and

508
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: then you know, keep leaving presence underneath it, and you

509
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: know you're giving to the world, and then you put

510
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: it on the curb. Come like January quill, No, that's

511
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: so sad. The Christmas tree depth parade is so sad.

512
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: But that's basically what we're doing. And then you know,

513
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 1: another you take on another one, and you decorate it

514
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: and make the presents and you have dinner around it,

515
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: and then that's gone to the curve, and you know,

516
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: keeps happening, keeps happening. What's important is what the tree means,

517
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, so that's kind of like the stone

518
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: you're talking about, Lingam, Siva, Lingam. Just in this brief conversation,

519
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: I feel like I understand the stone more do Sheva

520
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: Lincom time I see you, I'm gonna give you a

521
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: little one. Oh my god. It's what if it's like

522
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: a tomagotchi and I forget to like bathe it. I

523
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: had a's like little toys that would beat you if

524
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: you forgot to like electronically feed them. I had them

525
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: in high school. All my tomagotchis died. The only thing

526
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: that happens is that you're you're not bathing yourself it's

527
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: just like not taking a bath to yourself. Well, I

528
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: don't shower very much. After a while, you just start

529
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: smelling like the material world. Okay, it's so true. I

530
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: need to actually physically bathe more often. I like, sometimes

531
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: we'll just be like, it's quarantine. Who am I trying

532
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: to fool here? Nobody can smell me? And then in

533
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: the same sentence, I'm like, no, I think I need

534
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: to take a shower. Okay, when we're done, I'm gonna

535
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: take a shower. You've inspired me in many ways, but

536
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: I did want to ask you if there were a

537
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: couple things that were texting about that I've never heard

538
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: the stories, and I thought, my listeners come here for

539
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: all things creepy and unexplainable and just supernatural. And you

540
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: told me that there was a psychic nun. Oh yeah,

541
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: psychic nun in Peru. And I have to know I

542
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: don't know any I don't know anything else about this story.

543
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: Just for everyone who's listening, I don't know about this.

544
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: I just know there's a psychic nun. Okay. So my teacher,

545
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: my guru, lived in Peru for a quite quite some time.

546
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: I think he was there for over ten years he

547
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: lived in the jungle and uh, he he was visiting

548
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: a church one time that was in the city in Lima,

549
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: and he said, this nun came up to him and

550
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: grabbed him by this hand and said you're, um, oh,

551
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: you're an evangelist. And he was like, I'm not an evangelist, no,

552
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: I think you have any mistaken for someone else. And

553
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: she's like, well, you're bringing a lot of people towards God.

554
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: And he's a group, you know, he's a Abada group,

555
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: and he's also a shaman you know, who lived in

556
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: the jungle and works with the plants, and he brought

557
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: a lot of people to God through the plants. So

558
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: she was totally right. So they he developed a friendship

559
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: with this nun and when I was there, he arranged

560
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: a meeting with me and her, so he didn't come

561
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,719
Speaker 1: with me, but I had a translator because my Spanish

562
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: isn't very good at all, and uh, we met this

563
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,719
Speaker 1: nun and she it was actually where the church is

564
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: the black seat Thomas, who I don't know if you've

565
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: seen Thomas up well, you have to look up to

566
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: the black scene. So anyway, um, it's where he lived.

567
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: So she brought me up into his room and stuff,

568
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: which was really really powerful place I could tell where

569
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: he actually lives, where he actually lived, where his bed was.

570
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: They kind of kept it there. So upon meeting her,

571
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: immediately she grabbed my hands and she held my hands

572
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: and she said, and you're here, but you're not doing

573
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: what you're supposed to be doing. And I was like,

574
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: oh my god, I felt horrible. And she's like no, no, no,

575
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: you know, and the translators explaining it, so there's a

576
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: little bit of like delay. So I'm like kind of

577
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,239
Speaker 1: reflecting what she said, and she's like, no, tell him

578
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: not to feel bad. I mean that he's not doing

579
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: what is in his life that he was supposed to do.

580
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: He was supposed to be a judge or a lawyer.

581
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, that doesn't sound right. And

582
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: I was like uh, and she's like, what about a

583
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: police the police? And I said, oh, my family, A

584
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: lot of my family members were police, and it I

585
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: was always told that I was going to be a

586
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: cop when I was a kid, you know, and I

587
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: never wanted to be. Oh, you know, probably when I

588
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: was younger, I might wanted to be, but I didn't

589
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: become a cop long story short. So I was like,

590
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: I can't see you being a cop. No, but just

591
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: in my family, like on both sides, both my mother's

592
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: and my father's father's were both cops, and my father

593
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: was cop, and I had some uncles that were and

594
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: then um, my wife's family, there's cops and I'm surrounded

595
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: by these law enforms. Well that's well, that's what she said.

596
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: She grabbed my hands and she said, who in your

597
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: family was a Mason? And I said my grandfather. That

598
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: was someone who I was closest with, was my mom's father,

599
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: and she said he was from a higher order. She's like,

600
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: you come from a long line of templars, like Freemason,

601
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: the Knights of Templar were you know, my grandfather was

602
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: a Freemason. But she said, I came up. My whole

603
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: lineage comes from these templars who were the ones who

604
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: protected the pope, you know, and back that the old

605
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: you know, ancient times. And uh, she held my hands

606
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: and she was holding my hands and she said, what

607
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: you do now you have electric in your hands, which

608
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:08,240
Speaker 1: was the tattooing and tattoo shop by the way, Yeah,

609
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: electric tattoo exactly. So this is what you know, within

610
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: maybe two minutes of meeting her, and then she brought

611
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: me down to the tomb of St. Rosa, who was

612
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: also buried at this in this monastery where I was at,

613
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: and uh, she said, lay on on Rose's tomb, and

614
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: she said, do you know the guy at Tree Monstra,

615
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: which is a Vedic mantra. So I had no idea

616
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: how she knew about it. She's a Peruvian nun in

617
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 1: the Catholic feat And I said, I said, yeah, I

618
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 1: know the guy at True MANTRASA said, lay on Rose's

619
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: tomb and chant the guy at True Mantra. So, you know,

620
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: ten minutes now in this monastery and I'm laying on

621
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: a saint's tomb on my back, chanting Vedic Indian mantra

622
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 1: in Peru, in Lima, Peru. That sounds like it could

623
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: have been transformative. How was this it was? It was,

624
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: I mean like these are things that like when it's

625
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: happening in the moment, it was kind of like going

626
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 1: through it and then it's been with me for the

627
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 1: rest of my life. I think about it. There's probably

628
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 1: on a daily, almost daily basis, you know, how that

629
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: this had something to do? You know, I'm still not

630
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: quite sure what part of that path was, you know,

631
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: And then she was telling me all kinds of other

632
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: things as well, but like it was really that moment.

633
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: There was something what's happening, you know, and and everything

634
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: started to make sense about like the police. I was

635
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: always like, why is why m I come from this

636
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: cops family, you know, where all these cops and you

637
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: know basically that I tried to be the opposite of

638
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: that that makes sense, the rebellious, Yeah, miss I did

639
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: that with music. My mom like wrote country music, and

640
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 1: I was like, what's the total opposite super dancy pop

641
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: where I like talk ship on top of it. It

642
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 1: was like the opposite of classic old school country music.

643
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 1: And now I've like fully come back around and been like, oh,

644
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: you know what, Waylon Jennings and Johnny Cash all that's

645
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: actually the best. It's actually my favorite. And I was

646
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: just being rebellious. But she has right the electricity in

647
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: your hands. She's right about that, And I'm not going

648
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: to become a cop. But I was gonna ask you,

649
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: I don't know about the top part, but now but

650
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: I get it, like, you know, like the idea, you know,

651
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: back when you're thinking about the Knights of Temple are

652
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: and the Freemasons and ancient mystery schools and stuff like that.

653
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:33,439
Speaker 1: That's when the law was like moralities law. It wasn't

654
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: like busting kids for smoking weed, you know, or like

655
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: oppressing people. It's a different world. I feel like, I

656
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: don't know. I wasn't there, but I assume it's a

657
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: completely different world. But I actually don't know that much

658
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: about the Freemason Like I know a little bit about it,

659
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: but it has a lot of secrecy. Is it a religion,

660
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: is it a it's a it's a it was a

661
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 1: secret order, um, you know, which they you know, they

662
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 1: consider it to be mysteries coming from the mystery schools,

663
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 1: the ancient mystery schools of Egypt. And I'm not amazing personally.

664
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: I only know of it from what has been kind

665
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: of passed down through my family, which they're you're not

666
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: really supposed to talk about. Well, you don't have to

667
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: tell me. I'm just carious. It has to do with

668
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: the building of the Great Temple. There's a great architect

669
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: that that is like the master mason of the craft

670
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: and the stages of his you kind of reflect the

671
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: stages of his initiation through your own personal initiation, you know,

672
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: things like that, and uh, you know, I was super

673
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 1: interested in it once I found out, like I always

674
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: knew my granddad was into it. But for me, I

675
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: thought it was just like spaghetti dinners on the weekends,

676
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: you know, and fundraising and stuff. That's what I kind

677
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 1: of thought it was. I thought it was just like

678
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:54,760
Speaker 1: the dudes that wanted to get together and like party, Yeah, alright,

679
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: like get away from the ladies and get a little

680
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: drunk with your boyfriends. That aspect I'm sure exists in it.

681
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: But when there are people that take the degrees seriously

682
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: and their initiatives, you know, and there are people that

683
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 1: I know who who are Mason's who have gone through

684
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: the initiation process, and I can see the difference in

685
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: them as they've gone through the different steps, you know,

686
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: because it's all it's also reflection again, you know. It's

687
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: like what I was talking about earlier with the bathing

688
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,240
Speaker 1: of the lingom. It's like another way of like recognizing

689
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: the self, you know, through this process. And there's there's

690
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: an actual death ritual in their initiation, like a a

691
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: symbolic death that you must go through to become a

692
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: master Mason. A symbolic death ritual. Yeah, because the master

693
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: Mason that was killed. I'm not going to mention his

694
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: name because it's the esoteric c production even really talk about.

695
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: So I'm not from the order, but what I'm gonna

696
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 1: say is that, uh, he was killed this this um,

697
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: the master Mason, so they kind you have to go.

698
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 1: It's like your death is like an egoic death, so

699
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: you can take on the initiation to become degree interesting.

700
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: I've always it's really weird. I did some of my

701
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: very first recordings ever in a empty Masonic lodge in

702
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: Santa Monica, like super close to where I'm living now,

703
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: and I drive by it all the time, and I

704
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: remember being in there at nighttime and I would just

705
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 1: be walking around writing songs in this temple, and I

706
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: just always was fascinated with it. There were so many

707
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: very beautiful, interesting looking things and scrolls and wall hangings

708
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: and all this really beautiful stuff, but I never went

709
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: deep into what it was. Do you think it informed

710
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:42,479
Speaker 1: your music? I think that religion and all kinds of

711
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: symbols and religion and growing up in the South, which

712
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: was really religious, and I wanted to be really religious,

713
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: and everybody that was popular, was really religious, but I

714
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: was really spiritual, and that conflict of well, you're not

715
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: a good Catholic or a good Christian if you believe

716
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 1: in equal rights or things like that, where there were

717
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 1: things I couldn't get past, Like I believe that loving

718
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 1: someone else is beautiful and sacred and I don't care

719
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: what your genitalia is like that is something I've known

720
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 1: since I was like three years old, and so when

721
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,919
Speaker 1: I would go to church, I would cry. I would

722
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 1: get on my knees and like cry and be like please,

723
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: like help me understand what I don't get because I

724
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: know love is good, but I and I want to

725
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: believe in all of this and I want to be

726
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: part of this whole thing. All these popular kids are

727
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: so into I want to be part of it so bad.

728
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: But I know that love is not bad. It doesn't

729
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: matter who what two people are in love, Like, I

730
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: know it's not wrong, and I just could not justify.

731
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 1: I couldn't get around it in my head. And from

732
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: there then I started studying comparative religion and I wanted

733
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: to I went to Columbia over the summer. That's like

734
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: what I did for fun. As I sat in on

735
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 1: college courses in Nashville, and then over the summer, I

736
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: went to Columbia to study do you Comparative Religion? Because

737
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: I was like, maybe there's just something I don't understand,

738
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: like why do like the Baptist Church you can't do

739
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 1: certain things and dinosaur bones are a test of test

740
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: of faith and things like that, where I'd just be like,

741
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: I don't understand. So I had to kind of come

742
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: full circle and study all the religions and spiritualities and temples,

743
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 1: and I've traveled all over the world and I'm so lucky,

744
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: and I've kind of come to the conclusion that your

745
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: spirituality comes from yourself and it's a connection to you

746
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 1: and whatever you want to call it. It's really personal

747
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: and it's really beautiful and to share it's amazing. But

748
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: also it's not something. I feel like there's been so

749
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: much death around religion that it's hard. Like even the

750
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: word God. I think I said that earlier, there's so

751
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 1: much baggage to the word God. M Yeah, like that's

752
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: what I feel like I have a connection to, but

753
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: it's a highly loaded term. So I just call it

754
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. Yeah, Well that's why

755
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: I really like the consciousness of infinite goodness. You know

756
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: that it's such a beautiful name for good or expression

757
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: of God. I should say, um, I think that, you know. Unfortunately,

758
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: in that as time has worn on, we we've all

759
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: kind of confused spirituality with priest craft, you know, and

760
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 1: whenever the priests are telling you what God is to you,

761
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: you're going to run into a lot of problems. And

762
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: that's like one of the basis of a lot of

763
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: the situations that we're seeing in Christianity. You know, when

764
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: when someone's telling you they have the only way, you

765
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: probably shouldn't believe them. Everyone has to find their own

766
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 1: path with it and whatever feel like, you know, when

767
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: your guts when someone feels really wrong or something feels

768
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: really right. And it's just always felt really wrong in

769
00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: my like child insights that like because someone was gay,

770
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: they shouldn't be allowed to be in that temple or

771
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: that church. Like that to me just never made any

772
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: sense and I could never reconcile that, and that kind

773
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: of grew into being a huge topic of a lot

774
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: of my music. And I just wanted to make a

775
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: place that was super inclusive and safe for anyone to

776
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: come and yeah, of course, get drunk if you want to,

777
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: and dance because that's a high vibration too, and just

778
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 1: celebrate the now like your life, celebrate your life. So

779
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: it's a little bit like nihilistic, but it's also I

780
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: don't know, just taking advantage of being alive and being

781
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: excited about it. I think that's the thing I missed

782
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 1: the most this year, is not being able to throw

783
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: gigantic celebrations every night and call it a job. Yeah. Yeah,

784
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: I don't think spirituality should ever have been like a

785
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 1: dry thing, you know, like it doesn't have to be

786
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: a desert for people to go to for all their

787
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: you know, their ways to go die. And it's also

788
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 1: something like you don't have to go off into a cave,

789
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 1: or you don't have to wear orange rope, or you

790
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: don't have to build a temple in your back. You alred,

791
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: you don't have to do any of this stuff. If

792
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: you're moved to do any of those things, that's fine

793
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: as well. But there's a concept of false renunciation. It's

794
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 1: in the Bagagita um and Krishna talks about that. You know.

795
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: It's like basically, you know the Gita at all, Are

796
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: you Hindu or Are you not identified with any of it,

797
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: particularly for all intents and purposes, Yes, because that's the

798
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: lineage that I practice is through India. You know, we

799
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: refer to it as as not in a dharma, which

800
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: is the eternal duty. You know, this is our duties

801
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: to understand our human birth. Hindu as a term that

802
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: was kind of it was for the colonists, you know,

803
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: that's the English referred to the Indian people from the

804
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,760
Speaker 1: Indu Valley, but it's used in India by Indian people

805
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: and you know, it's like it's not insulting to call

806
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 1: someone Hindu at all, neat people identify as Into. But yeah,

807
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: so it along those that's that lineage. But the Boga

808
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: Geith is one of the major works that people chant

809
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 1: and read and reflect on in the Sonatona Dharma, and

810
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 1: it's the story of a warrior who is about to

811
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: go to war and he's the battle consists of families

812
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,439
Speaker 1: on both sides, and the warrior doesn't want to fight

813
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: because his teachers and his cousins and uncles are on

814
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: the other side of the battlefield and he doesn't see

815
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 1: any point in it. And God Lord Krishna as God

816
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: comes down and says the battle has already been fought.

817
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: You have no deer a warrior. Do your duty and

818
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: do be the best at it, you know. And what

819
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: he what he's telling him to do is like it's

820
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: masically a message of like, do what you do in

821
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: your best way. I don't try to be anything else

822
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: except what you cannot change. That's the hardest thing in life.

823
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 1: I feel like accepting what you can't change and come

824
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 1: to peace with things you can't know the answer to.

825
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:07,240
Speaker 1: For instance, earlier today, I was speaking with someone about

826
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: extraterrestrial life and she was speaking about how she had

827
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: made contact and through meditation chanting, And now I'm just like,

828
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with that because I want I want that experience.

829
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: I want to see it, I want to feel it.

830
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: Because the more I hear about extraterrestrials and people having

831
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: a connection to God and reincarnation things like that, it

832
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: just makes me feel a little more at peace knowing

833
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,439
Speaker 1: that there's something more to this, Like when I feel

834
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: that God consciousness or you said infinite the consciousness of

835
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: infinite goodness. Oh that's the name of the painting we

836
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:46,720
Speaker 1: got from you. Ye, holy sh it, Well we already

837
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 1: we got it. In the house, speagure out out in

838
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: the house thanks to you. So we're talking about what

839
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: you can't change, you know, accepting what you can't change.

840
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 1: But then you are also talking about aliens and UFOs

841
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 1: and extra terrestrials, which is great subject to talk about.

842
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, just the things you can't change, and also

843
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: the things you can't see, our touch or feel, and

844
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: just believing in them because I know that there's something

845
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: out there. Yeah. I think if you, if you want

846
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: it hard enough, and if you if you so desire

847
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: that it will manifest eventually in your life. You know,

848
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: you just need to spend some more time with that.

849
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 1: I was going through some really heavy sleep paralysis for

850
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: a long time, and uh, it was happening more and

851
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: more frequently, and it was really starting to kind of

852
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 1: disturb me. And there were a few times where, like

853
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: in the paralysis, I was starting to kind of feel

854
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: like there were beings in the room with me. So

855
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: that sounds so scary. See, I want it until I

856
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: hear that, and then it sounds terrifying. It was scary

857
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: because the physical part of it, but I didn't feel

858
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: it was menacing at all. It was the loss of

859
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: control of the body was super weird, you know. And

860
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: I've heard other people has have had experiences where there

861
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: was like some demonic things have thing like you know,

862
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: you know, like a sucky bus on the chest kind

863
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: of thing, or like you know, being held held actually

864
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 1: held down by even it wasn't that for me. I

865
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: felt like I was kind of brought into a different realm,

866
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 1: like the room had changed and I couldn't move and

867
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: there was nothing I could do about it. And when

868
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,280
Speaker 1: it would happen, I was getting freaked out less and less.

869
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 1: You know, it's becoming a little bit more familiar with

870
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: the with this phenomenon that was happening in my life.

871
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: So this was like a reoccurring dream, Yeah, yeah, where

872
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: it happened like, you know, maybe a month apart a

873
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: few times, and it was happening a week apart, and

874
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, it was happening every night.

875
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,760
Speaker 1: So in the moment when I when it was happening,

876
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: when it was going down, I was becoming more and

877
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: more comfortable in this environment of paralysis and with these

878
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: possible entities in my room. But when I wasn't, when

879
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 1: I would finally snap out of it and come out

880
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: of it and come back into the dimension of being

881
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 1: in my bed and like heading, I'd be so freaked out,

882
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: and I didn't know. I just didn't know how to like,

883
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: I couldn't really um if it was happening to me. Now,

884
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: I think I would have a better hardware to like

885
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: kind of deal with it, you know. I think my

886
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,760
Speaker 1: my focus and my attention could probably served me better.

887
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: But then I was panicking. I was much younger, and uh,

888
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: how how the whole thing kind of came to a culmination.

889
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: I was in the sleep paralysis and I heard a

890
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: car alarm going off in the background, and uh, I

891
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: started focusing on the car alarm. I was like, wow,

892
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 1: that's really weird. It's car alarm and I can't move.

893
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, the car alarms getting

894
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 1: louder and louder. It was like, the car alarm is

895
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: getting closer, ours moving closer to me? Why is the

896
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: alarm coming closer to me? And it was getting so

897
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: loud that the windows started to shake, and I broke

898
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: out of the paralysis and I got up, and I

899
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: put on a pair of pants and put him off backwards,

900
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 1: and I went downstairs. I ran downstairs and roommates actually woke.

901
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 1: Then we'll followed me outside and we all got to

902
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,280
Speaker 1: the front yard and we heard the noise and felt

903
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: this vibration and it just trailed off and it was gone.

904
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: And then I hadn't I had no sleep paralysis. From

905
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: that point on, the police of your lineage came and

906
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: took the demon away. There could be maybe you know

907
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 1: the demon police, the demon police, they come into your dream.

908
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: I wish I had some demon police in my lineage

909
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: because I have crazy dreams, like crazy dreams where I'll

910
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: just be like kicking, I'll be thrown punches, I'm screaming

911
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: like fuck you in the middle of the night, and

912
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 1: then it's like I'll have to get woken up and

913
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: Brad will be like, are you okay. I'll be like, no,

914
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: I'm really really mad at you because you I forget,

915
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: but I'm really mad at you. And they'll be like,

916
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: you can't be mad at me about dream stuff, like yes,

917
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: I can, don't tell me what to do. That's like

918
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: that happens like once a week in our household. Well,

919
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: I think maybe that that that need that you're having,

920
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: that feeling that you want to have with the with

921
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: these extraterrestrials. Maybe that's where you're where you're having those experiences,

922
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: you know, like because I think the dreaming, the waking,

923
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,720
Speaker 1: and the deep sleep state, those three states are all

924
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: tied together, and we compartmentalize them in a way that

925
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,399
Speaker 1: doesn't serve us well, you know, because I think we're

926
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: getting we're getting a lot through our dreams, and we're

927
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: getting a lot through deep sleep, and we're getting a

928
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: lot when we're awake. And I don't think it ends

929
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: just because you lay down, you know. I think that's

930
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: huge actually that you're having these things happen to you,

931
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: because if there's awareness happening when the mind is turned off,

932
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: that's really really efficient. It's exhausting when I have nightmares,

933
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: because I'll go to sleep and I'll wake up kind

934
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: of like you were saying, like just like trying to

935
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: yell and fight my way out of a dream. And

936
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:54,919
Speaker 1: then then when I wake up, it's like morning time

937
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: and time to do the day, and I'm like, damn it,

938
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: I've been like fighting monsters for eight hours. Now, I

939
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:04,240
Speaker 1: need to actually go to sleep and dream about like kittens.

940
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: That's that's why when you're on the served, you're you're

941
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: a piece, you know, but I think, yeah, I think

942
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: you're sharpening the store for your daily daily duties in

943
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: the in the dream stay in the dream world. I

944
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 1: feel like the extra terrestrials, I'm like sending them an

945
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: invite into my brain. And at the same time, I'm

946
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: scared because it's freaky. There's nothing to be afraid of.

947
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 1: You think you've met an extra terrestrial, like for sure, Yeah,

948
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: and it wasn't scary. You weren't scared. I think, Okay,

949
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 1: this might not be a popular belief. I think I've

950
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: met them in my day to day interactions and they

951
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: just seemed like they were they were human, but they weren't,

952
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like my mom swears she's

953
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,439
Speaker 1: part alien, and she's not joking. She's like, I swear

954
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 1: to God, there's like in her ancestor there's some sort

955
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: of like interbreeding with extraterrestrials. Not joking, yea, like the

956
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: Anna Knochi or something like that. You know, there's like

957
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,280
Speaker 1: all these kind of other life forms that supposedly bread

958
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: into our race. What's Anna Knoki. It's like a different

959
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: kind of humanoids that are half alien half human. You know,

960
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:25,280
Speaker 1: it's like like a tribe of half human half aliens.

961
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: I'm not too knowledgeable on this stuff. I just said,

962
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: you know, I've been doing some like scant research on

963
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: UFOs and stuff. When I was younger, I heard about

964
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: Anna Knochi, you know, and they were the ones that

965
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: would give us the pine cone. You know. Ever see

966
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: like they're holding a pint and that would be like

967
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: representative of the pineal gland and in the mind, Oh

968
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 1: my god, I would have never put that together. Okay,

969
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: So according to my mom, I am just repeating what

970
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:55,240
Speaker 1: I've heard she told me. So there's this guy named Carl,

971
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,280
Speaker 1: and he's like, I can tell you as an alien

972
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: that you're a part alien and try to find out

973
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: who invented the microchip and the microwave and those were

974
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: gifts from extraterrestrials. Wow, it's like alien intelligence. That's like

975
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: the government worked into our daily society like that, and

976
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: now they're in our phones and follow us around everywhere.

977
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: But this is according to Carl, who is also according

978
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: to my mother about Carl, So it's like fourth hand information.

979
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 1: Is Carl, like, is Carl Ripertu is alien Carl? She

980
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: calls him crazy Carl, though, very close crazy Carl e g. Carl,

981
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 1: microwaves are a gift from no you know, I it

982
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:48,280
Speaker 1: sounds outrageous and insane, but like, what about our regular

983
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: existence isn't outrageous and insane? You know, like the fact

984
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: that you go into a tube subterranean, go around the city,

985
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: then you you know, it's drop you off, and then

986
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: you hop on an airplane and fly to a different country.

987
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 1: You know, it's like we're living our our existence is

988
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 1: not so as normal as we perceive it to be.

989
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: I don't think oh, I don't think so either. I

990
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:17,879
Speaker 1: fully get tripped out about even just the radio, Like

991
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 1: the radio and then the fact that cell phones and

992
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: like we're looking at each other in real time having

993
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: a conversation and you are at least what like four

994
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 1: thousand miles away from me yea or three thousand and

995
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: we in real time or having a conversation face to face, Like,

996
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:41,399
Speaker 1: what the fuck? That doesn't make any sense? Thanks to Carl,

997
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: I'll say the name of my cat. So maybe Carl

998
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 1: is the alien we've always needed. Through Carl, we know

999
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: that the batteries and the microwave is a technology, and

1000
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 1: I think about it and like I am not high. No,

1001
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 1: I just sometimes think about technology and I'm like the

1002
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: fact that I can sit here and look at your

1003
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,439
Speaker 1: face and talk to you and you're so far away

1004
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: as a trip. I think about a lot that like

1005
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: there there's probably people that are still alive today there there,

1006
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: it's getting up there in years, but there's people that

1007
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: were alive when there weren't at least as many planes

1008
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: in the sky, or any planes at all. You know,

1009
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 1: like what we here was the first commercial play. I

1010
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: don't know what year. I don't know what year was

1011
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 1: the first I'm looking at brad Well three is like

1012
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: the right brothers brothers Okay, so like our My grandfather

1013
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: was born in nineteen nineteen, So like people, maybe not

1014
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: so much anymore, but thirty years ago there were people

1015
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 1: that were alive, or forty years ago that there were

1016
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: any planes in the sky, and you would just never

1017
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:47,800
Speaker 1: be able to it. I'm sorry, wait, go ahead and

1018
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 1: say it. My grandfather passed years ago. He remembers electricity

1019
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:56,720
Speaker 1: being put into his barn as a kid. That right, yeah, yeah, totally,

1020
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 1: Like so like what we're living in out you know,

1021
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:07,320
Speaker 1: it's just it's grown so exponentially so fast, like it's insane,

1022
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 1: and it continues to go, you know. Like I remember

1023
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: I took a break from television for ten years, and

1024
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: when I turned the TV back on and actually pay

1025
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: assension to it, I cannot believe the speed of everything.

1026
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 1: How everything was hitting you so much faster. It's crazy.

1027
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: We're downloading stuff in our own minds in ways that

1028
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 1: no one has ever had before. I sometimes have to

1029
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: take a break from like the consumption of media because

1030
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 1: it makes me feel like my head's gonna excellent. I'm

1031
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: not sure if that's like a good kind of thing

1032
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 1: or a bad thing, but I just sometimes have to

1033
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: like leave the phone at home, take a break, like

1034
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: go on a walk, go smell of flower, look at

1035
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: a tree, and be like, I'm going to disengage from

1036
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: the information. It's probably something that we should all do

1037
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: more frequently. But even just to do it like a

1038
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: couple of times in your life, I think it's hugely beneficial.

1039
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: I was in the jungle for ten days one time,

1040
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 1: where I wasn't even allowed to bring a book with me,

1041
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 1: you know, so everything that came out of that experience

1042
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: was all output. There was no input. The only input

1043
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: was the jungle that I was in you know, and uh,

1044
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 1: it was. It was so intense, it was so powerful.

1045
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 1: It was like, you know when people say that had

1046
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: a life changing experience, that was a truly life changing

1047
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 1: experience for me. It was the first time and probably

1048
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: the only time where there was no input all The

1049
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: only input was natural was nature. And that was in

1050
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: well because in times like I would imagine I've been

1051
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: in the Proving jungle a long time ago, and my

1052
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: mom was there, So I'm not like, was your mom

1053
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: withol you? My mom wasn't. I wish, but she was

1054
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 1: not there. My mom was with me, So I was

1055
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: like I was sneaking out and drinking like a little

1056
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 1: bit of like I don't know, some sort of alcohol

1057
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: all they made in the middle of the Provian jungle

1058
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: and like running around, and you know, it was like

1059
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: there's this element of being like a bad young kid.

1060
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 1: I definitely wasn't on like a spiritual quest quite yet.

1061
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 1: Sure I would love to revisit as an adult in

1062
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 1: my mind because I was like seventeen, Well we're you know,

1063
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: we're talking about extra terrestrial with like the jungle is

1064
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: a completely different terrestrial experience, you know, like that's you know,

1065
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 1: it was opposite of everything I've ever experienced here, you know,

1066
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 1: and like, and that's happening all over the planet, you know,

1067
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: as we're living these lives with the cell phones and

1068
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: everything that you said we had to take a break from,

1069
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: you know, and it's like, it's pretty amazing. That's what. Okay.

1070
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: That was the point was that I would be if

1071
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 1: I went there now, and especially if I um, which

1072
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: I've never done Ayahuaska. But apparently it's life changing, especially

1073
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: if you do it in the proving jungle from multiple

1074
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: people I've just heard it's like just really a purge

1075
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 1: for your brain and body and soul and system of

1076
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: just everything. Yeah, it's It's informed a lot of what

1077
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: I practice and a lot of the arts and I

1078
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: make and the way I live my life. I've been

1079
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 1: working with that plant for twelve years now, thirteen years now,

1080
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 1: so because I have never done it, because let me

1081
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 1: preface it with I've heard it last for like three days,

1082
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,919
Speaker 1: which I am not about to commit to something for

1083
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: three days. It really doesn't um. It only lasts for

1084
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 1: about seven hours here in the afterglow of it for

1085
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: three days, which is amazing, and sometimes even three months.

1086
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: But the effect the effect of drinking the plant only

1087
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: lasts for about seven hours, seven to ten hours, is it? Like?

1088
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 1: Did you do it in Peru and the jung I've

1089
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: done it in the States a lot and in groves

1090
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: in the jungle and with like would you call shaman

1091
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 1: or with the shaman? Yeah? With the shaman yeah, and

1092
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 1: that it's huge. Like so it's to me not only

1093
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 1: you know, the plant is a very powerful plant. It's

1094
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: it contains the knowledge of all the other plants in

1095
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 1: the jungle. It's like the grandmother plant. You know, it

1096
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: holds the basic, the entire thematic of how everything works

1097
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 1: in the jungle. But also the ceremony with the shaman

1098
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 1: is a truly alchemic experience because what's happening is you're

1099
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: drinking the plant. It's inside of you. The shaman is

1100
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: outside of you, singing songs that the plants reacting to

1101
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 1: the song inside your body. So almost think of like

1102
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 1: snake charming, Like if there was a snake inside of

1103
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 1: you and then someone outside of you was playing in

1104
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 1: the flute. That's what's happening with this plant. And the

1105
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 1: ego is is what the song is called. So it's

1106
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 1: this powerful experience where you know, like it's true alchemy.

1107
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: True magic is happening when when the ceremony is conducted

1108
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 1: in the right manner. I don't know what about that

1109
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: plant in particular. Maybe it's just because I've been so

1110
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 1: curious about it, and it's like I've always wanted to

1111
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 1: try it, and I'm also terrified of it. And it's

1112
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 1: also how I feel about acid. It's like I've never

1113
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 1: done it, really scared of it, highly curious about it.

1114
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if I need to try it. There

1115
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 1: are things like that which might completely mind bend my brain.

1116
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 1: But I also am scared of it because every single

1117
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 1: time I've drink it, I've been terrified that never goes away.

1118
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:43,439
Speaker 1: You know. It's like skydiving, you know, or like and

1119
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 1: I mean, and I hate to say that, because a

1120
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 1: lot of people approach it as like an adrenaline rush

1121
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: kind of thing too. You know. I think people wanted

1122
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 1: to be like those spiritual bungee jumpers or whatever. But

1123
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 1: I don't want to be any kind of bungee jumper. No, no,

1124
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 1: I mean neither. But if there is a level of

1125
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 1: fear that you kind of have to conquer, you know,

1126
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 1: and like you know, because you're kind of like taking

1127
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 1: yourself out of your body. You know, you're taking yourself

1128
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 1: out of your mind. You know, when people say you're

1129
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 1: out of your mind, you know, or like I got

1130
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 1: out of my mind on this drug or whatever, you

1131
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 1: are truly out of your mind. And it's a good thing.

1132
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 1: It's probably the best thing you can do for yourself

1133
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 1: is take yourself out of your mind for eight hours,

1134
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 1: you know, and to let this plant do its work,

1135
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 1: because it's got a huge healing aspect to it, it's

1136
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 1: got a huge teaching aspect to it, and it has

1137
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 1: a huge revelatory aspect that you can like bring you

1138
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 1: to higher states of consciousness. You're by far not the

1139
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 1: first person that told me that, but yeah, I said

1140
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 1: to see, when you say out of your mind, I

1141
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 1: feel like I'm already a little out of my mind.

1142
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 1: So I'm scared to get any more out of my mind.

1143
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to I'm also trying not to tell

1144
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 1: you might not ever need to do it, and it

1145
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 1: might not ever happened, and you're life would be great

1146
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 1: without it as well. But if you ever have the

1147
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 1: opportunity and you feel called the nervousness and anticipation and anxiety.

1148
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 1: You might feel you can conquer it. You've done a

1149
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 1: lot more scary stuff in your life. I feel like

1150
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:18,439
Speaker 1: I used to thrive on anxiety, and now that I've

1151
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 1: had a break from it, I'm like, I don't want

1152
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 1: to feel super anxious all the time. It's a whole

1153
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 1: I feel like my life is going to be totally

1154
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 1: changed after this year. Anxiety sucks, man, Anxiety is like

1155
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 1: one of the worst, And like, yeah, if you can

1156
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 1: get there, if you can get to a place in

1157
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 1: your life where you're experiencing minimal anxiety, if not any anxiety, Matt,

1158
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 1: I think you've you've won. God, that sounds like heaven.

1159
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 1: I honestly don't know if I know what that feels like.

1160
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 1: My goal, after I had this crazy trip of experience

1161
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 1: where I met the consciousness of infinite goodness, of my

1162
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 1: goal became to vibrate on the level of a neutron,

1163
01:04:56,120 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 1: completely neutral, because then there's like the positive and the negative,

1164
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 1: and then there's the neutral, and you get peace when

1165
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 1: you're at the neutral. This is what the consciousness of

1166
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 1: infinite goodness was like. You just gotta like bring your

1167
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 1: levels to be like pure peace, total peace. If that

1168
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 1: makes any sense. Do you believe in heaven? I believe

1169
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 1: in I believe in reincarnation, sure, but I don't know

1170
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 1: if I believe in heaven. I don't think you like,

1171
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 1: go to a place and there's like a guy with

1172
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 1: a with a you know, like a doorman with a

1173
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 1: you know St Peter that the guy who checks you in,

1174
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 1: Oh my God, would be the worst, would be the worst,

1175
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 1: like childhood trauma, high school ship if you literally die

1176
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 1: in there, like sorry v I p You're not on

1177
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 1: the list. You have to get the less cool place.

1178
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 1: The story of my life suck. I really hope there's

1179
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 1: not a heaven. I would be so passed. I don't

1180
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 1: think that's what it is to me. Heaven is a

1181
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:57,439
Speaker 1: place that you can get to in your life where

1182
01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 1: you have no needs. I think that's evan. So I

1183
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 1: did want to ask you one thing that you texted

1184
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 1: me about. Okay, the UFOs in the Andes Mountains. You

1185
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 1: brought that up in the same text with the psychic nun,

1186
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 1: and I just I have to at least ask you

1187
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. Okay, Well, it's just I think

1188
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 1: I should probably should be better grammar because maybe it's

1189
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 1: my fault, my fault. The telepathic thing was I met

1190
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:32,439
Speaker 1: some status in India or actually one is the stain

1191
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 1: the stat in India. Do you know what no, I

1192
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 1: was going to ask you. I have no idea whether

1193
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 1: I saw do is you put that in the text

1194
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:43,919
Speaker 1: too and I was I didn't know. So there's there's

1195
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 1: status in India. And a true meaning of a sadu

1196
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 1: is someone who's efficient. Like I was saying just just

1197
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 1: a second ago, these are people that don't have kneeds,

1198
01:06:55,200 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 1: you know, like they they they eat and people feed them.

1199
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 1: You know, they just have like a cloth, they don't

1200
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 1: even have clothes, um, you know. They and if they

1201
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 1: don't get said, they just don't eat. They don't need

1202
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 1: to eat. They and a lot of them don't talk either.

1203
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:20,400
Speaker 1: They don't feel the need to have verbal communication and uh,

1204
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 1: but they do communicate telepathically. And I've spent a lot

1205
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 1: of time with a few of them. One in particularly

1206
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:32,920
Speaker 1: on a on a mountain, uh called Mountain Aronachuala in

1207
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 1: South India, and he communicates completely telepathically. He doesn't talk

1208
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 1: to anyone, but he has people that come and sit

1209
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 1: with them and he just sits. That's all. He does,

1210
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 1: and he's just sitting and sitting and sitting for hours

1211
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 1: and hours a day. But when you're with him, there's

1212
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 1: a lot to be learned and a lot to be

1213
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 1: stilled and experienced. And U people that are you know,

1214
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 1: I definitely got something from being with them. But I

1215
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 1: was there with my teacher who was completely on a

1216
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 1: on a telepathic communication with him, like, uh, we went

1217
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 1: there to see him daily and he was getting a

1218
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 1: lot from him, and uh, they were, they were there

1219
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 1: was this like play going on between the two of them.

1220
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 1: And I saw that, you know, because I know him

1221
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 1: very well, and I saw he would chant to him,

1222
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:26,599
Speaker 1: he would reach scripture to him, and the saint would

1223
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:30,680
Speaker 1: just sit there and listen and bless us God, just

1224
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 1: with just his eyes. But yeah, I'm not saying a

1225
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 1: word and not that's so crazy. I mean, it's not crazy.

1226
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 1: It sounds actually like the least crazy thing, but it's yeah,

1227
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:47,160
Speaker 1: it's actually totally sane. This this person is totally at piece.

1228
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:49,760
Speaker 1: You know, he's just like he's a stone, you know,

1229
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 1: but you feel this joy and he eminates joy. He

1230
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 1: vibrates joy and love and also like just a lot

1231
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:01,719
Speaker 1: to learn by example, you know, it's inspiring to see

1232
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:04,680
Speaker 1: somebody like I'm not gonna go to a mountain and

1233
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 1: just sit there and not talk to anyone. That's not

1234
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 1: my path. But I get a lot of term being

1235
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 1: around someone like that, you know, to be around someone

1236
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:15,600
Speaker 1: that has no needs and who has elevated themselves that

1237
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:18,559
Speaker 1: they can talk to me without even speaking, and they

1238
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 1: can teach me without even speaking. Did you feel like

1239
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 1: you works like receiving anything? Oh, totally undercent. I was

1240
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:35,440
Speaker 1: receiving messages and just like it causes like a reflection

1241
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:39,240
Speaker 1: upon myself, it causes inquiry mself, like, Wow, this person

1242
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 1: doesn't need anything, and this person is beyond the scope

1243
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:46,600
Speaker 1: of any kind of tyranny, you know, any kind of

1244
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:51,000
Speaker 1: psychic tyranny, any kind of obligational tyranny, any kind of

1245
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 1: law tyranny, any kind of international national tyranny, government tyranny,

1246
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:59,720
Speaker 1: you know, family tyranny. You know, like any of the

1247
01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:03,560
Speaker 1: thing is that play guts in our daily you know, struggle,

1248
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 1: he's he doesn't, it's not there. So it's just like

1249
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 1: a clear channel of like truth, you know. And to

1250
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 1: be able to sit with that and sit near even

1251
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:17,759
Speaker 1: to sit near that's like a huge opportunity. The idea

1252
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:23,439
Speaker 1: of having zero drama with anything or anyone is a

1253
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 1: hard concept for me to even like wrap my brain

1254
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 1: around too, but it was actually able to see it.

1255
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:34,640
Speaker 1: You know, it sounds beautiful. I try to like be

1256
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:37,680
Speaker 1: less dramatic, but in my world, it's very different than

1257
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 1: being able to sit and not talk. I don't think

1258
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:42,679
Speaker 1: I could do that for like an hour. I can't

1259
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:45,720
Speaker 1: I wake up myself up from yelling. I can't even

1260
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 1: sleep and not talk, like I can't keep my damn

1261
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:53,760
Speaker 1: mouth shut. But maybe that's just not my path this lifetime. Yeah,

1262
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 1: And that's the thing, Like, are what we've done in

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01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:01,000
Speaker 1: our in this life and in prior eves, And I

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01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:04,920
Speaker 1: think that kind of determines that, you know, like we

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01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 1: we have to have some drama in our last because

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01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 1: you know, we were drawn towards it. I think people

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01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 1: are naturally drawn towards drama. This is my own hypothesizing

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01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 1: happening in my brain. But I think people like having

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01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 1: dramas so then they don't have to focus on anything inward.

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Speaker 1: But so the drama of like television, politics, friends, high school,

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01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 1: whatever is going on, celebrity culture, it just like is

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01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:36,880
Speaker 1: a great distraction from having to like look inward. Yeah,

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01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 1: I think, you know, there's huge dopamine hits from all

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01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 1: that what they call it doom scrolling when you're like

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01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 1: scrolling through through like Twitter and stuff, especially with the

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01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 1: election and stuff. I was so guilty of it. Me too.

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01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:52,800
Speaker 1: I was completely consumed by it. But like, I see

1278
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 1: your what you're getting from doing that is just like tiny,

1279
01:11:56,320 --> 01:12:00,720
Speaker 1: like dirty versions of what you could be getting if

1280
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 1: you just put it all aside and go inwards. I know,

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01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:06,360
Speaker 1: it feels really dirty. That's the exact word I would

1282
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 1: use to like describe as Whenever I like I'm looking

1283
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:12,679
Speaker 1: through that kind of stuff, I feel like I hope

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01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:15,720
Speaker 1: like no one sees me doing this because I'm not

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01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:18,519
Speaker 1: proud of it. Like it feels icky. I'm like, hey,

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01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:20,639
Speaker 1: why are you being like why are you looking at

1287
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 1: this ship? It's gonna make you feel bad? But then

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01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 1: I do it. It's the weirdest thing. I think there's

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01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:28,720
Speaker 1: like a dopamine effect you know, that you get from it,

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01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:32,040
Speaker 1: you know, And I've heard like, so I'm recently was

1291
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 1: explaining it to me that like when you see someone

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01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:38,240
Speaker 1: that you think is right, you know, in the midst

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01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:40,600
Speaker 1: of all this, you know, like, you know, whatever the

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01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:44,120
Speaker 1: prosecutor that's going to take out Trump or the person

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01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:48,360
Speaker 1: you know, the president that wins or whatever. When you

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01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 1: align yourself with those people, you know, it's like, oh, okay,

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01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:54,800
Speaker 1: this this person is on my side, you know, and

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01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 1: you identify that. There's like a dopamine effect with that,

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01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 1: you know, and that's why we always want to go

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01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 1: back to that. Yeah, exactly, there's some merit in there somewhere,

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01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:06,719
Speaker 1: you know, maybe that like we're trying to align ourselves

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01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 1: with good you know, and like it's also like we're

1303
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:14,639
Speaker 1: in a fucking seriously crazy time on the planet, so

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01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 1: I think it's important to kind of pay attention to

1305
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 1: it in some respects. But we can't let it. We

1306
01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:21,519
Speaker 1: can't let it dictate who we really are. No, It's

1307
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 1: so it's really like it's confusing because sometimes I'll not

1308
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 1: have any idea what or who someone's talking about, so

1309
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:31,600
Speaker 1: I feel out of touch with some sort of cultural reference.

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01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:35,679
Speaker 1: But at the other end, my mom kind of raised

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01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:38,599
Speaker 1: us not too. We didn't watch cartoons, we didn't really

1312
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:43,040
Speaker 1: watch movies, Like I saw conn Air and I saw

1313
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 1: Face Off for the first time like this year, and

1314
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 1: it blew my fucking mind. And but like everyone else,

1315
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:53,720
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, I saw that when I

1316
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:56,519
Speaker 1: was ten, where have you been? And my mom just

1317
01:13:56,600 --> 01:14:00,800
Speaker 1: like was like, go outside, write songs, catch firefly, don't

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01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:04,760
Speaker 1: go on a TV. No. So I don't even like

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01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 1: the cartoons. I see in really nice pieces of art

1320
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 1: and there's like a cartoon. I don't know who the

1321
01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:14,799
Speaker 1: cartoon is. I feel so stupid. But it's also because

1322
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 1: I was just being present in my life as a child,

1323
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:19,040
Speaker 1: because that was the way my mom raised me. So

1324
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 1: it's this weird thing. I don't get a lot of

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01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 1: cultural references though, you know that what made me look

1326
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:27,920
Speaker 1: that made me think of and it's it's a kind

1327
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:31,839
Speaker 1: of a weird obscure reference. But like, do you remember

1328
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:35,760
Speaker 1: when there was that huge months soon there's a huge

1329
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 1: tidal waves? I think it happened in like early two

1330
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 1: thousands in Japan. No, not the Japanese one. There's warm

1331
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:46,639
Speaker 1: right before that. It was like I think it happened

1332
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:49,559
Speaker 1: like in the Fiji Islands. I do remember what you're

1333
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 1: talking about. Yeah, so what I remember hearing that, Like

1334
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 1: first there was a huge wave and it crashed on

1335
01:14:57,320 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 1: the beach and it was eat it, and it brought

1336
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 1: all these fish onto the beach, and like all these

1337
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 1: children and even like villagers came out and like went

1338
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:10,599
Speaker 1: and looked at the fish because they were fish they'd

1339
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 1: never seen before, you know, they came from deep in

1340
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 1: the ocean, and then the big waves came. And I

1341
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 1: feel like that kind of happens with us when we

1342
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:23,559
Speaker 1: we haven't been exposed to stuff like the Age of Wonder,

1343
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:28,639
Speaker 1: you know, like and the curiosity, like how that can

1344
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 1: definitely bring us to a demise, you know, you know

1345
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, yeah, I'm I would be there

1346
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 1: staring at a fish from the deep ocean. I would

1347
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:40,559
Speaker 1: be right front and center for that. Or watching conn

1348
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:44,040
Speaker 1: Air while that you know, will the well while Rome

1349
01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 1: is burning, you know, like I'll watch so much TV,

1350
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:52,799
Speaker 1: you know all. You know, I'm sitting in the temple

1351
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 1: right now, and I go inside and I'll watch TV.

1352
01:15:55,479 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 1: You know. Um, that makes me feel good about myself.

1353
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 1: Though you're sitting in a temple you built, that you

1354
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 1: have made. It's a beautiful piece of art. You're a magical,

1355
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:09,160
Speaker 1: mystical human and you're about to do inside much TV

1356
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 1: And I might go watch Nicolas Cage movie and like

1357
01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:16,559
Speaker 1: that's human, it's okay, Yeah, it's a pandemic. Yeah, and

1358
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 1: we should we shouldn't be so hard on partner ourselves.

1359
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:23,640
Speaker 1: And like when you see, I don't know, I'm not

1360
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 1: I'm not about the rules, you know, like all the

1361
01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 1: different rules. I love. I love lineage, and I love teachings,

1362
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:36,559
Speaker 1: and I love preserving those things and like a binding

1363
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 1: by them and like trying to stick to them as

1364
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:42,680
Speaker 1: close to being prescribed as possible. But you have to

1365
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:46,680
Speaker 1: do it your own way, for sure, I agree. All right?

1366
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:49,160
Speaker 1: Can I ask you a couple of just stupid questions

1367
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:53,639
Speaker 1: and then yeah, okay, great, let's get stupid. Let's get stupid.

1368
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 1: We're about to get stupid. Here. Would you rather be? Well,

1369
01:16:57,800 --> 01:16:59,439
Speaker 1: this one, I think you already. I think I know

1370
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 1: the answer. Would you rather be abducted by aliens? Or

1371
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 1: sleep in a truly haunted house alone for a night.

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01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:09,960
Speaker 1: I would go for the alien abduction. See, I think

1373
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 1: I might too, But I'm also like, no shade to

1374
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 1: the ghost, because some ghost can be friendly. That's in

1375
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 1: my experience. Okay, what would be like your style of haunting?

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01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:24,400
Speaker 1: If and when you're a ghost someone? Yeah, like, how

1377
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:28,200
Speaker 1: would we know it's you. Oh okay, geez, that's a

1378
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 1: great question. I would like I would love to be

1379
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 1: able to play an instrument as a ghost, you know,

1380
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 1: like a flute, you know, like if you heard the

1381
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:41,479
Speaker 1: flute playing, you're like, oh, he's here, Like Jethroats. I

1382
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 1: was in a haunted house one time where if you

1383
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 1: played the piano, the ghost would start kicking around upstairs.

1384
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:51,760
Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, and it didn't seem like it

1385
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:54,960
Speaker 1: was happy though. I feel like it was. It was

1386
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:57,559
Speaker 1: their piano and they didn't want other people playing it.

1387
01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:00,200
Speaker 1: Oh fair, Okay, so you can be a ghost? Is

1388
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:03,719
Speaker 1: the flute? Do you play the flute in real life?

1389
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:05,760
Speaker 1: H okay, that makes sense. I was today. It's a

1390
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:08,559
Speaker 1: little random, but I'll know it's you if I ever

1391
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:17,559
Speaker 1: hear a flute flying by futum. I have thought about mine.

1392
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 1: I don't know what I would do. I would probably

1393
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:21,519
Speaker 1: just like scare the ship out of people just for funfit.

1394
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. Wouldn't you be a thing? No? I

1395
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:34,720
Speaker 1: sing when I get paid. You don't think, but yeah,

1396
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:37,280
Speaker 1: would you? Wouldn't you want to make a great ghost song?

1397
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 1: Like maybe? Actually, you know what, that's just me being

1398
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 1: a jackass. I would actually, probably because I've been singing

1399
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:45,599
Speaker 1: my whole life since i was a little kid, like

1400
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:47,639
Speaker 1: to the point where my brother who's on the compis

1401
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:50,160
Speaker 1: meted and my mom would be like, shut up, go outside.

1402
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 1: If you're gonna sing, go outside, go into the bushes

1403
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 1: so we can't hear you. You're so annoying. And I

1404
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:56,960
Speaker 1: was like, okay, but that's when I was trying to

1405
01:18:57,040 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 1: learn how to yodel, and so I was like doing

1406
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:02,600
Speaker 1: these like super annoying like yodels, and they're like, go

1407
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:07,800
Speaker 1: the fuck outside. So I think if I were a ghost,

1408
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:10,640
Speaker 1: it would be like me, like yodeling. I'd be a

1409
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:14,320
Speaker 1: yodeling ghost. That's me, that's my ghost. I hope I

1410
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 1: never encountered yodeling. We could hunt together, Flute Yoda learned.

1411
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:26,880
Speaker 1: This sounds like hell, the worst band ever. Maybe there

1412
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:29,760
Speaker 1: is a heaven and hell would be me and you

1413
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:35,519
Speaker 1: hunting someone together. Yeah, yeah, we better never anybody that.

1414
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:38,760
Speaker 1: That sounds really fun. Actually, let's plan on meeting up

1415
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 1: out there when we're done here. Um, okay, if you

1416
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 1: could be haunted by anyone, who would it be? Oh,

1417
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:50,400
Speaker 1: you know who it would be? And this is this

1418
01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 1: is kind of crazy. Because I really wanted to be

1419
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:59,439
Speaker 1: haunted by Eugene O'Neill. You know who that is. Who's

1420
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:02,600
Speaker 1: that a playwriter? He wrote The Iceman Coming and this,

1421
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 1: And the only reason why I'm not a huge fan

1422
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:07,719
Speaker 1: of Eugene O'Neill, it's because I lived in a house

1423
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:12,040
Speaker 1: that Eugene O'Neill bought for his daughter and I used

1424
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 1: to like, I used to think that I would have

1425
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:17,040
Speaker 1: like an encounter with him. So I've already been like

1426
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:20,920
Speaker 1: pursuing this ghost of Eugene O'Neil for a while. Um

1427
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 1: when I when I was younger for him to get

1428
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:28,760
Speaker 1: you check it out. Though his daughter was married to

1429
01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 1: Charlie Chaplin, so I was also wanting to Charlie Chaplin

1430
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 1: haunting as well. So it was like yeah, yeah, yeah,

1431
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:39,120
Speaker 1: I wanted like I wanted to know those those dudes,

1432
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:42,479
Speaker 1: you know. And it's so crazy that my granddad, who

1433
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:45,400
Speaker 1: was a free meats and he bought the house from

1434
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:50,840
Speaker 1: Charlie Chaplin's widow and her daughter, and that was like

1435
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:52,880
Speaker 1: kind of the house I grew up in and it

1436
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 1: felt on it. But I never had any experiences with

1437
01:20:56,200 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 1: those with Charlie Chaplin or Eugene O'Neil. As far as

1438
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:03,559
Speaker 1: I know, neither of them ever stepped in those songs.

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01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:07,120
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Well, I'll pray for you to get on it.

1440
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 1: Maybe one day I'll get haunted by some uh none again,

1441
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:18,840
Speaker 1: non non talking, yeah, Charlie Chaplin, But that would be

1442
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:30,640
Speaker 1: a nice, easy, easy hunt, just no talking. God a nightmare. Okay,

1443
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:33,679
Speaker 1: So we've been chatting for like two hours, So before

1444
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:35,800
Speaker 1: you go, do you want to promote whatever you want

1445
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:38,720
Speaker 1: to promote? Okay, the best way to find me is

1446
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:42,920
Speaker 1: probably Instagram. My Instagram handles. Robert Bryant three two three.

1447
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 1: I just a book came out today and it's part

1448
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:51,000
Speaker 1: of an artist series called Black Dagger, and my volume

1449
01:21:51,240 --> 01:21:53,320
Speaker 1: is number twelve. And then I have a new book

1450
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:55,679
Speaker 1: coming out that I've been spending a lot of time

1451
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:58,200
Speaker 1: on during this quarantine, which is a book of all

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01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:02,679
Speaker 1: painting the deities and and how I interface with them

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01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 1: and my relationship to them and what I know about

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01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:08,800
Speaker 1: them beautiful, and I should be coming out in like

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01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:13,799
Speaker 1: hopefully around April, I hope. Okay, great, everybody follow Robert.

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Speaker 1: If you want a tattoo, electric tattoo, that's what's called

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Speaker 1: right electric electric tattoo and Asbury Park, New Jersey, Home

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Speaker 1: of the Boss, Home of the Boss. And Robert Ryan. Um,

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Speaker 1: thank you very much and you so good to see

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01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:33,280
Speaker 1: you two, and stay well, stay COVID free when we'll

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01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:37,679
Speaker 1: see you hopefully soon, Keep on creeping on, stay creepy,

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01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:57,520
Speaker 1: San Diego, good Bye,