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Speaker 1: There was simply no way, he thought that the fall

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Speaker 1: answers they were looking for behind that locked door. You're

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Speaker 1: listening to Unexplained, and I'm Richard McLean Smith. Frank Olsen

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Speaker 1: never envisaged himself working for the CIA. Born to Swedish

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Speaker 1: immigrants in nineteen ten, he grew up in a small

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Speaker 1: There he studied agronomy, the science of crop production, and

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Speaker 1: Assigned to the Biological Warfare Program, he worked alongside a

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Speaker 1: site agency retreat hosted by Sidney Gottlieb, a senior chemist

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Speaker 1: The group gathered for drinks and dinner and compared notes

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Speaker 1: quantroe being spiked with LSD by sergic acid diethylamite or LSD,

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Speaker 1: first synthesized in nineteen thirty eight by Swiss chemist Albert Hoffmann,

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Speaker 1: is a fast acting and highly potent psychedelic drug. It

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Speaker 1: Gottlieb told the astonished men that they were all guinea

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Speaker 1: But it soon became clear to Gottlieb that the experiment

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