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Speaker 1: You know what's funny, Todd is they're actually not allowed

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Speaker 4: Charge about.

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Speaker 1: Two years twenty two million bucks for Luke Weaver as

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Speaker 1: Bob nightingale ft Insider and USA Today Insider reports he'll

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Speaker 1: follow Devin Williams and depart the Yankees for the Mets.

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Speaker 1: It was first reported by Joel Sherman. Also Brad Keller

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Speaker 1: the off season is young, and now it's Devin Williams

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Speaker 3: And this is the Mets, and these fans they've been dying,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that would be the best choice

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Speaker 3: Understandably has been in the spotlight for a long time.

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Speaker 2: Let's go.

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Speaker 4: I'd love to see. I'd love to see the Yankees

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Speaker 4: And what have the Yankees done the last two off seasons?

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Speaker 4: Right, and Corbin Burns. I mean Corbin Burns was better,

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Speaker 4: I'm just more talking about who they're in on who

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Speaker 2: So we'll see how this all, you know.

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Speaker 1: In my opinion, this is the best guy on the market.

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Speaker 4: And so they're gonna they're gonna make a push. This

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Speaker 1: I don't hate your idea, Hey, Ballenger's getting pricey for us,

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Speaker 1: Many owners are jealous of them right now. I would

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Speaker 1: Cardinal Territory, and that show's blown up, So I advise

434
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Speaker 1: you to check it out, even if you're not a

435
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Speaker 1: Cardinals fan. They cover a lot of topics that we

436
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Speaker 1: cover too. Kyle Gibson att Holiday, et cetera. Here's Lance

437
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Speaker 1: on the specifics of a no trade clause, because I

438
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Speaker 1: think that can often get misconstrued. It's not like, oh,

439
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,879
Speaker 1: I just hate all these teams their strategy to this,

440
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Speaker 1: and I thought Lance was very insightful here on how

441
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Speaker 1: he dealt with this.

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Speaker 5: My note trade was full of teams that I thought

443
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Speaker 5: would trade for me so I can control things, maybe

444
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Speaker 5: even get into contract. Like there was more said than that.

445
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Speaker 5: I didn't put teams there on there were bad because

446
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Speaker 5: I didn't plan on pitching, and bad enough to where

447
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 5: I would get traded to those teams. And I was

448
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 5: making too much money for those teams to even take me.

449
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Speaker 5: So my thought was, all right, and we'll put all

450
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Speaker 5: the teams on there that I know that we'll be

451
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Speaker 5: looking to add of veteran starter and aren't afraid of

452
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Speaker 5: the money, and then I can control the market on

453
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Speaker 5: where I'm going to go and what I can do.

454
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Speaker 5: And that was my mindset and the no trade, and

455
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Speaker 5: then I lifted it to LA. There's I would say

456
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Speaker 5: most every team on my no trade a year I

457
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Speaker 5: left Chicago I would have went to So it was

458
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Speaker 5: one of those things where I had a ten team

459
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Speaker 5: no trade, but I picked at ten teams that I

460
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Speaker 5: thought were gonna be in the playoffs so I can

461
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Speaker 5: control where I was going to go.

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Speaker 3: He's always in control of what He's a very smart guy.

463
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Speaker 3: He's very he was a very good ballplayer. He's uh,

464
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Speaker 3: he's just a guy that his presence is felt everywhere

465
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Speaker 3: he goes good, better and different. I love them to death.

466
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Speaker 3: But there's always a method to his madness, and he understood,

467
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Speaker 3: he understood the process, as they say, So he's no

468
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Speaker 3: dumby when it comes to this stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not just oh I hate these teams. I'm

470
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Speaker 1: putting them on my limited no trade list because many

471
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Speaker 1: of those teams are not going to be the team

472
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Speaker 1: you end up with. You know what we have to do? Actually,

473
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Speaker 1: I just remember this. It's always one of my favorite stories.

474
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Speaker 1: When Matt Holliday signed and I don't remember where he

475
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Speaker 1: got a one team no trade in there, and I

476
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Speaker 1: think it was the A's. I got to go back

477
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Speaker 1: and check all that. But I remember now that Matt's

478
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Speaker 1: part of our crew. So maybe we can spark that

479
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Speaker 1: conversation back up where he was just seven seventeen Shank

480
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Speaker 1: Street in this place like a dump ah that might

481
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Speaker 1: have been where he's like, yo, I just don't want

482
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Speaker 1: to end up there. The owner doesn't give a crap

483
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Speaker 1: about the team, and the facilities are falling apart.

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Speaker 4: I think I think sometime when Matt comes on or

485
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Speaker 4: they could, they should talk about with the Cardinals, I

486
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 4: think everybody would find it interesting to find out what

487
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 4: the other team that he was choosing between them twenty

488
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Speaker 4: seventeen was. And maybe and maybe it's out there, but

489
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Speaker 4: I think it's ironic how the twenty seventeen season ended

490
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Speaker 4: up where he ended up and who they signed in

491
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Speaker 4: place of him. So anyway, Matt Holiday story.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Matt Holiday Story, we should get him on soon,

493
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Speaker 1: we can promote the show. But also, yes, so he

494
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Speaker 1: had a one team, no trade clause in his contract

495
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Speaker 1: when he signed with the Yankees, and that was the

496
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Speaker 1: Oakland A's because he did not have a great experience

497
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Speaker 1: playing with them for a short period of time in

498
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Speaker 1: two thousand and nine before he ended up being traded

499
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Speaker 1: to the Cardinals and had a great experience there. Remember

500
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Speaker 1: he was acquired by Oakland from the Rockies late two

501
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Speaker 1: thousand and eight, and then mid two thousand and nine

502
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Speaker 1: the a sent him out to the Cardinals. Ooh wee,

503
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Speaker 1: let's go in the weeds. Ken Rosenthal's latest notes column

504
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Speaker 1: has Alex Bregman on the cover. What I'm hearing about

505
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Speaker 1: the Diamondbacks interest in Alex Bregman plus more offseason notes.

506
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Speaker 1: But let's start with that, there is this slight chance

507
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Speaker 1: that the Diamondbacks could be involved for Bregman, and hear

508
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: me out, it's not like the Diamondbacks are rebuilding guys.

509
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,199
Speaker 1: They signed Corbyn Byrns last year and I know it

510
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: didn't work out from an injury perspective. You should be

511
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: back later this season, by the way, and he's pretty

512
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: damn good. They signed back Merril Kelly. They do have

513
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Speaker 1: one of the best offenses in the sport. They have

514
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Speaker 1: work to do on the pitching staff, but hear me out,

515
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Speaker 1: the beginning of the paragraph. I thought was really good

516
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Speaker 1: on this topic, Todd Father, I think you'd like the quote. Okay,

517
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Speaker 1: Ken said one rival executive told him about the Diamondbacks quote.

518
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Speaker 1: We have no money, we have no money, we have

519
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Speaker 1: no money.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 1: Ken Kendrick got aggressive, as in, nah, we're not playing

522
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Speaker 1: those waters. And then this is one of those owners

523
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Speaker 1: who I really like. Ken Kendrick will just come out

524
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Speaker 1: of the blue and say, you know what, screw it,

525
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Speaker 1: I'm a gun slinger. I'm going for it. I like

526
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: this guy. I don't care what my budgeting was proposed

527
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 1: to the front office. This is my baby, this is

528
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Speaker 1: my toy. This is my multi billion dollar franchise. Alex Bragman,

529
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: let's chat with him. It happened last year with Corbyn Burns.

530
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Speaker 1: You start to have a conversation and Todd Father, Alex

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Speaker 1: Bregman has the same agent representation as Burns. He lives

532
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 1: in a similar area to Corbyn and that is Phoenix,

533
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: and that is very appealing to people that live in

534
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: Arizona and can spend the entire year as their home

535
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: base in Arizona, no spring training, hopping from one home

536
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: to the next with the family, with the young kiddos,

537
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: which he also has. It sounds like, according to Ken,

538
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 1: I could tell Marte trade would have to happen. I

539
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 1: think that's going to happen anyway. It tell's a seventeen

540
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: million dollar luxury tax hit. Bragman could get about double that.

541
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Speaker 1: But the Diamondbacks are about seventeen mil under their payroll

542
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: from last year. So anyway, you add it all up

543
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: and it's not the craziest thing ever. Is it likely?

544
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Speaker 2: No?

545
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Speaker 1: But I don't think anybody had Corbyn Burns as their

546
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Speaker 1: top spot for or at Arizona as the top spot

547
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: for Corbin Burns last year, and look what happened.

548
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Speaker 2: Let's call leverage as a player, as an owner.

549
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 3: You know, why would you want to leave, Man? You

550
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 3: can keep your house right here. We'll give you a

551
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 3: certain amount of money.

552
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 2: Come on down. Your family doesn't have to move.

553
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 3: If you're a team in Florida or a team in Arizona,

554
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 3: well there's only one team in Arizona. Yeah, it's about leverage, man,

555
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Speaker 3: And I think it's a really good possibility.

556
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Speaker 2: I know you said it's highly unlikely. Why not? Why not?

557
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Speaker 3: I mean, this would be a great fit for him.

558
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 3: They just resigned Merrill, Kelly Back, it's a great organization.

559
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 3: You don't really hear much bad about him besides not

560
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 3: beating the Dodgers and trying to find a way to

561
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Speaker 3: get over the hump there. I mean, they were a

562
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 3: team that were in it a couple of years ago.

563
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 3: So this team is not going anywhere, and to them,

564
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Speaker 3: they have the possibility to pick up an Alec Bregman

565
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 3: or Alex Bergman. Yeah, you better, Dann, We'll get ready

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Speaker 3: to do that because I think he, like other people

567
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 3: like Burns, this stabilizing my family. I don't have to move,

568
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 3: I don't have to put stuff here. My wife and

569
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 3: kids can stay here and enjoy. They have to come

570
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 3: on the road anymore. There's everything plays a part.

571
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Speaker 4: I don't see this happening because I don't think it

572
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 4: makes the Diamondbacks better. I think I think a lot

573
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 4: of the stuff about Katel Marte getting traded could be around,

574
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 4: you know, some of the stuff that was going on

575
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 4: around the All Star break and some of the rumblings

576
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 4: that you heard from players like maybe kateel Marte doesn't

577
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 4: quite fit in the clubhouse. You know what fits Ku

578
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 4: tell Marte's bat from both sides in that lineup. You're

579
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 4: talking about a dude that in the last three years

580
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 4: has gone ops plus A one twenty seven, one fifty four,

581
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 4: one five two MVP seasons. One he was top, he

582
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 4: was third, another one he was twenty second this past year. Sorry,

583
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 4: Alex Bregman, great player, third base, super important position. You're

584
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 4: gonna pay Alex Bregman more per year. You're gonna get

585
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 4: rid of kateel Marte bat and you're not upgrading that

586
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 4: with what he bring. What Bregman brings, And if you're

587
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 4: looking for a leader, okay, you know that's a huge upgrade,

588
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 4: but you're talking about a larger contract, most likely more

589
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 4: per year. And to me, I think it's more of

590
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 4: just a ploy. Look, I'm always about the players getting

591
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 4: all their money. Feels like more of a ploy to

592
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Speaker 4: make the Red Sox pay the full price that Bregman wants.

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Speaker 1: Right, You're looking at the market, and I know we've

594
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Speaker 1: seen reports about the Cubs. I don't know if I'm

595
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: buying that. I can I can buy the Tigers. Remember

596
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: I kind of took an l on that one, but

597
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: I was like, no way, the Tigers are going to

598
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: engage with him. But I do think that it's possible.

599
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: After more conversations behind the scenes, I can see the

600
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: Tigers saying, all right, but try it again.

601
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Speaker 2: And who's the best, say Tigers?

602
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Speaker 4: Say, what if the Tigers say one hundred and fifty

603
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 4: million the Red Sox. Obviously we already talked about collusion today.

604
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 4: The Red Sox aren't gonna be like what I just

605
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 4: found out the Tigers only offered one hundred and fifty million. No,

606
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 4: they know exactly what they offered. They're gonna know exactly

607
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 4: what everybody offered. The Red Sox are like, Hey, if

608
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 4: I got to pay one to eighty for Bregman, that's cool.

609
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 4: But if no one else is even close to one seventy,

610
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 4: we'll offer one sixty five. Like, I don't know where

611
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 4: those numbers are, and obviously we'll never know, but you

612
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 4: gotta get other suitors in. Would he be good on

613
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 4: the Diamondbacks. Absolutely. If you're the Diamondbacks and you're getting

614
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 4: rid of a seventeen million dollar a year player, you

615
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 4: better backfill him with a due that's gonna backfill with

616
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 4: the exact same offensive production. I know it's a different position,

617
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 4: and I know there's leadership stuff with Bregman, that is

618
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 4: off the charts. But Cotel Marte is going to help

619
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 4: any team immensely, sliding into a two, three or four

620
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 4: spot as soon as he goes to another team, and

621
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Speaker 4: the Diamondbacks have to backfill that and that's tough to do.

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Speaker 1: It is still weird. You look at Marte and you're like,

623
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: this is a superstar player and he's not expensive given

624
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: the market, why trade him. I'm with you on that one.

625
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: I thought it was a great call. You laid it

626
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: out well. And for Bregman, the best fit is Boston

627
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: according to both his interest and the team. It's not

628
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: like they're the only team involved, like we said, but

629
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Speaker 1: are they the only team involved at that price range? Hey?

630
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Speaker 1: Things change. It didn't seem like Boston was going to

631
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Speaker 1: be the spot for Bregman, and I heard with strong

632
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: confidence that they made a pretty late push and upward

633
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: movement of their offer, And it took influential Red Sox

634
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,959
Speaker 1: people outside of the front office to make phone calls

635
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: to ownership and say, Hey, this can get done. This

636
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: guy wants to be here. You're low balling compared to

637
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: the market. Figure it out if you really want him.

638
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 2: That happened.

639
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Speaker 4: I have one thing before we get to our next guest. Yeah,

640
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Speaker 4: if you're the Red Sox, who would you rather have

641
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 4: put into your lineup right now? To Tell Marte or

642
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 4: Alex Bregman.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm into the Red Sox lineup?

644
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 4: Yes, I know, I'm not I'm just saying. I'm just saying,

645
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Speaker 4: based on why other teams would want either one of

646
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Speaker 4: these guys, why the Diamondbacks would I get, I get

647
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Speaker 4: the leadership stuff. I'm just saying the Red Sox are

648
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Speaker 4: more of a nickel and dime team than what you

649
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Speaker 4: know they would they would put themselves out as Yeah.

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Speaker 1: See, this is where it gets really hard to value

651
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: a player that contributes like this. I would say, could

652
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: tell Marte technically, could tell Marte player profile wise, I

653
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: think on a free agent market, would command more money.

654
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: I mean and and deservedly so. I think he's worth

655
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: a lot. Bregman's worth a lot too. But yeah, there's

656
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Speaker 1: the defense involved, there's the impact off the field. They're

657
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: both great players. But yeah, that's why I look at this.

658
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, Damn, any team that's looking at Katl Marte

659
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: should go after him and give up the prospects to

660
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Speaker 1: do it. You sign him into what looks like pretty

661
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: affordable options for a number of years. That's me, So

662
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: we'll see. And actually, if you really get yourself in

663
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: a bad situation again you want to trade him, I

664
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Speaker 1: think the five to ten rights that give him no

665
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: trade rights would reset, so then you would have the

666
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Speaker 1: ability to trade him again in the future. Super fascinating case. Here,

667
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: let'sh bet MGM futures so World Series named the finalists

668
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: Yankees Dodgers plus eleven hundred. This is a category that

669
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Speaker 1: I struggle with. Help me out. Do you guys feel

670
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Speaker 1: like there's a spot in this category that you would

671
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: feel comfortable with. This category is better than it used

672
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: to be because of the dominanta of the Dodgers lately.

673
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: So if you're one of those people that's like, hey,

674
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 1: the Dodgers are just going to go on this dynasty run,

675
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: then you already accomplish one side of it. And it

676
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 1: does give you insurance that the Dodgers are not necessarily

677
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: winning the World Series every time, but they are at

678
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: least taking you to the World Series. So even this

679
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 1: past season, you would have been a little less nervous

680
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: if you had the Dodgers matching up against the Blue Jays.

681
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: You also would have been crazy lucky because not or

682
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: just crazy smart. Not many people had that matchup. But

683
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 1: Todd Father, do you like this or would you rather

684
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: just focus on something a little more specific, like just

685
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: one team and then represent the NL or winning the

686
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: World Series.

687
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 3: I do like it. I like it a lot. This

688
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 3: was my pick last year. It didn't come in a fruition,

689
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 3: but I do. I do like it. I think I

690
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 3: would any sane person would put a little bit on

691
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 3: this knowing that LA is the best team in the world,

692
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 3: and the Yankees always have an opportunity to make a

693
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 3: run if their guys are healthy and they find ways

694
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 3: to beat the Blue Jays Sola, New York. In LA,

695
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 3: I could see the Blue Jays getting back in there.

696
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 3: I mean there's not many, in my humble opinion, not

698
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 3: many American League teams that right now besides the Blue

699
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 3: Jays and Yankees I see getting to the World Series

700
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 3: as of now. Not saying day one I'll change my mind,

701
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 3: but yeah, I'd like this pick a lot.

702
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm going through the rest of them here,

703
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 4: and if you're only sticking with the Dodgers, there's a

704
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 4: lot of there's a lot of fun numbers here. I

705
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 4: just feel like, I feel like, you know you have

706
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,959
Speaker 4: Red Sox and Dodgers are coming out at twenty five

707
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 4: to one. I like that number way better Orioles and

708
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 4: Dodgers coming out at twenty five to one. Like if

709
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 4: you're like, okay, I'm stuck on the Dodgers making it,

710
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 4: then it's just a matter of who you think is

711
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 4: coming out of the American League. And I'm sorry, I'm

712
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 4: not taking eleven to one on it being the Yankees.

713
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 4: I'm taking I mean, shoot, you can, hey, White Sox

714
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 4: and Dodgers are one hundred and twenty five to one.

715
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 4: If you if you have White Sox, like, what about

716
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 4: the I think there are teams.

717
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: For where the Mariners on there you haven't pulled out.

718
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 4: That's That's what I'm trying to get down to. Okay,

719
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 4: I'll get back to you.

720
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could.

721
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: Think about Mariners hard. I wouldn't touch the Tigers right

722
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: now because there's still a chance that they trade schoople

723
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: and if they don't, are they pushing chips in. I

724
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: don't know how comfortable I feel, But for me, Todd Father,

725
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: I think there's a vibe in Seattle. I mean, I've

726
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: been on them and then kind of eased off this

727
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: past season, of course, where they finally did put a

728
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 1: lot more together and do the adding that they needed

729
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: to do at the deadline, I think they kind of

730
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: learned that it only takes a little bit more aggressiveness

731
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: to separate yourself from a fringe playoff team and an

732
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: ALCS appearance. To me, I feel like they've learned a

733
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: little bit about that. It doesn't come from the GM,

734
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: it's coming from ownership. So I had to give them

735
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 1: a little more leeway at this trade deadline to pick

736
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 1: up two significant impact players. One was much more impactful

737
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: than the other. Naylor was much better down the stretch

738
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: and in the playoffs than Gino Suarez, but both were

739
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,439
Speaker 1: definitely upgrades. So I could see Seattle rolling that out.

740
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: It's tough to roll out the same names that just

741
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,959
Speaker 1: went through the slog of a postseason and have them

742
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: not deal with some fatigue and hangover effect. But I

743
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: do think Seattle's got something special and they continue to

744
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: nurture and take more care of their lineup than they

745
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: did for a while.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you're not wrong by that at all.

747
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 3: They just got a hit They've been known for their pitching.

748
00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 3: They just need more clutch hitting to get over the hump. Now,

749
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 3: you saw a couple guys step up. Big Roriguez stepped

750
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 3: up huge in the playoffs and came on strong at

751
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 3: the end.

752
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 2: Hopefully he keeps that going.

753
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 3: And they just got to solidify a few spots, and

754
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 3: you know they'll be right there in the talks for sure.

755
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 4: I'd take I mean the Mariners, the Mariners and Dodgers,

756
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 4: all right, seventeen fifty plus seventeen fifty. I still don't

757
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 4: like that number, but I like the Mariners and Phillies

758
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 4: at thirty five to one, thirty five hundred Mariners Phillies,

759
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 4: two teams that didn't quite get the full barrage of it.

760
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 4: Maybe could be up there. You know this is this

761
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 4: is a fun exercise. I like this. I like this,

762
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 4: but I need if I'm picking the two exact teams

763
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 4: that are winning the National League and the American League

764
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 4: pennant and meeting in the World Series, I need more

765
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 4: than eleven to one. Sorry, Yankees and Dodgers.

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00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,760
Speaker 1: He's greedy, todd Father. He doesn't want to eleven X's money.

767
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: But I get what you're saying.

768
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 2: I mean it is crazy.

769
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 1: It is it's hard to pick both seats. But if

770
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: you're looking for something right now, there's a pro Football

771
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: no Sweat token. You can check that out applied on

772
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: any no any pro football bet. Use the token and

773
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: add that bet on an event to your bet slip,

774
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: and then you activate the token, and then you get

775
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 1: bonus bets if that bet was made with the token

776
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: and it loses. So gambling problem or concern called one

777
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: eight hundred gambler. Hey, we do have a sale. The

778
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Penguins are being sold from Fenway Sports Group. Why

779
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: is this relevant, Well, Fenway Sports Group also owns the

780
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: Red Sox, so they sold the team to the Hoffman's

781
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: wherever they are for one point seven billion dollars. This

782
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: according to Elliott Friedman, he's a super duper insider. He's

783
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 1: like the Ken Rosenthal the NHL so one point sevan

784
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: bill into the portfolio of the group that owns the

785
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: Red Sox. It does not work where you take that

786
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: and you just spend it on the major league team.

787
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: But good for them making some cash through the process.

788
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,479
Speaker 1: And now Red Sox fans can point to that number

789
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: all off season long if they miss out on free agents.

790
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 1: That's what happens anyway, Kratz, hat's what you got.

791
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 4: They're gonna put it in air. Soccer team. Sam Blom is

792
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 4: doing amazing work. If you want to have a real

793
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 4: life saga. I know Sam was just on go read

794
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 4: all the stuff that he's been following with this with

795
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 4: the trial, the Tyler Skaggs civil suit, and so I

796
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 4: had to wear my Angels hat for guys. Sam coming

797
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 4: on today.

798
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sam's great.

799
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:52,919
Speaker 2: Hey.

800
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: Guest list tomorrow. FT insider Robert Murray also from Fansideed,

801
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 1: but new to the party as a regular with us.

802
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: Zach Rosenthal, former Rockies VP and assistant GM of Baseball Operations,

803
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,919
Speaker 1: and he was their GM for five minutes, and it'll

804
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 1: be interesting to hear his thoughts on what he experienced

805
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: there in Colorado and what he thinks this new group

806
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 1: can bring to try and get them into a I

807
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: don't know better situation for lack of better terms. Also

808
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 1: Paul Hoynes, who's a legend in Cleveland and really amongst

809
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: many baseball writers. He was honored at the Winter meetings,

810
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: and we'll talk guardians with a great personality, So it'll

811
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 1: be fun. We should have more moves as we're leading

812
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: up to the holidays and Todd Father, we will see

813
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: you on Friday, right boom see you then, Bud Yeah,