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Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Super Week, everybody. We are so excited to

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Speaker 2: be here. I'm Alex Curry here with Nikki k Cracey Sandler,

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Speaker 2: Carmen Vitally, and we are so excited to be here,

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Speaker 2: you guys. I mean, I'm just gonna paint the picture

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Speaker 2: a little bit. If you've ever been to Radio Row,

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Speaker 2: it's basically every single sports network, every show, all under

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Speaker 2: one roof, all doing their shows right next to each other,

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Speaker 2: and it is such a beautiful vibe and way to

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Speaker 2: really kind of get the week going and get you

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Speaker 2: excited for Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: It's also where like anything goes. You can talk about anything.

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Speaker 3: You can see anyone.

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Speaker 2: You see people passing by. I mean, Gronk just walked by,

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Speaker 2: He's right next door.

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Speaker 4: It's kind of funny.

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Speaker 5: I'm like fangirl when I hear when I see people

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Speaker 5: whose podcasts I listen to, Yeah, it's.

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Speaker 6: Doing podcast that you probably listen to.

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Speaker 7: And we'll listen to later and be like I saw

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Speaker 7: them doing that book, dude. But like Vija high around

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Speaker 7: the city. We're in San Francisco, obviously the game. If

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Speaker 7: you if you've never been to Levi Stadium.

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Speaker 2: It's about an hour hour and a half outside of

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Speaker 2: the city, but in the city of San Francisco. You guys,

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Speaker 2: this week it has just been chef's kiss. I mean,

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Speaker 2: my Uber driver this morning, my Brazilian Uber driver was

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Speaker 2: just blasting Soundgarden, huge smile on his face at like

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Speaker 2: six am.

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Speaker 8: I'm like, yeah, no, it's it's going to be a

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Speaker 8: great one.

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Speaker 3: Can I can I tell you my crazy Uber story

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Speaker 3: that can only happen. I feel like at the super

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Speaker 3: Bowl that happened last night. Please, I'm going from having

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Speaker 3: drinks with a friend of mine to dinner, right, yeah,

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Speaker 3: and we happened to be by I guess the Warriors Stadium,

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Speaker 3: the Oracle Center. Love didn't know. But anyway, so I

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Speaker 3: called Uber he can get in there. Like immediately, I

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Speaker 3: was like, oh gosh. So I run out there, get

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Speaker 3: in the car. We get to talking. He's like, are

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Speaker 3: you here from the super Bowl?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: What do you do? I'm a reporter? He's like, do

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Speaker 3: you do every sport? I was like, well, for a

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Speaker 3: radio show, I do, but I'm the NFL. And he's like,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to show you something and oh and I

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Speaker 3: was like, I'm going to give you this business car

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Speaker 3: and you're gonna tell me if you notice anything about

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Speaker 3: the last name. So he gives me his business card. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I want to know what his last name is. What

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Speaker 3: I escw do you know who he was? And Scu's

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Speaker 3: dabs unbelievable.

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Speaker 6: I know I had.

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Speaker 3: We had a twenty minute ride. We are out bet

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Speaker 3: her name, her dad's name is Dan and Dan he

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Speaker 3: is so incredible. He was just the most incredible man.

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Speaker 3: He was so gregarious and we became absolute besties. He's like,

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Speaker 3: when do you go to the airport? Let me go

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Speaker 3: take you this, that the other, and yeah, telling me

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Speaker 3: all about He was like, well, you know who Sabrina

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Speaker 3: is married to. I was like, yeah, she's got an

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Speaker 3: offensive lineman husband. He's like, yeah, you took that away

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Speaker 3: from me. I thought you I thought I was gonna tell.

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Speaker 2: You something like this is my favorite she's my favorite

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Speaker 2: musition by the Yeah, assess with the old lineman. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if you guys know this, but like Carmen

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Speaker 2: number one position off.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I told him my whole I was like,

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Speaker 3: offensive linemen are the best football players. They're the best guys,

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Speaker 3: the best personality.

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Speaker 4: Yes, but you know it's really cool.

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Speaker 5: Sabrina is one of the most universally loved competitors across

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Speaker 5: all sports and the things she does other athletes all

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Speaker 5: levels of the game. I've seen her deliver shoes to

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Speaker 5: girls who didn't or women who didn't have their contracts yet,

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Speaker 5: you know, and that is just so like it's in

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Speaker 5: a microcosm of why she is.

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Speaker 8: Well, she was the woman.

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Speaker 2: She was Kobe's mentee, right, yes, kind of like sit forward,

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Speaker 2: But like she was kind of the first face the

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Speaker 8: She was because of Kobe.

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Speaker 3: Hurry, she still like she flies out his trainer. Is

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Speaker 3: what her dad was telling me. I'm very competitive. I

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Speaker 3: mean like that, she's very competitive. He told me too.

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Speaker 3: He was like, you said, you're good at your job.

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Speaker 3: I'm the best at my job.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, I love that.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 6: I'm id.

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Speaker 3: He's like, modesty has no place in your career. He's

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Speaker 3: still humbleness is one thing. Honesty is not allowed. You

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Speaker 3: are the best at what you do. And I'm like Yes,

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Speaker 3: that's my favorite, Mara, that's my Super Bowl uber story.

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Speaker 8: I love.

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Speaker 4: I took a cable car yesterday and we saw its

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Speaker 4: getting married in the streets.

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Speaker 5: Like like they're their engagement pictures, and our cable car

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Speaker 7: It was like, were you close to the city hall? Well,

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Speaker 7: the city hall is gorgeous.

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Speaker 8: Who are you? Where are we?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 8: Why would you ask me that?

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Speaker 7: Because San Francisco City Hall was just like, I don't know,

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Speaker 7: San Francisco City Hall is gorgeous, and so many people

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Speaker 7: get married there. It's like a thing that people do

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Speaker 7: because it's beautiful. Okay, that is one of the more

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Speaker 8: Okay, that tracks.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so that would be why that makes Anyways, congratulate

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Speaker 5: you graduations, Dan grad.

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Speaker 6: That was so good.

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Speaker 2: Okay, But let's get to the main reason we're here,

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Speaker 2: you guys. Super Bowl sixty Seahawks and Patriots. The last

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Speaker 2: time that these two teams met was twenty fourteen in

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Speaker 2: the Super Bowl the Malcolm Butler interception to seal the

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Speaker 2: win for the Patriots. You guys, and Seahawks back for

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Speaker 2: the first time since that. Patriots back for the first

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Speaker 2: right now have a lot of firsts, which leads us

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Speaker 2: to I think our topic of the day, our biggest

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Speaker 2: takeaway from this season. Okay, we're each gonna go We're

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Speaker 2: each gonna give ours. I'm gonna start with mine because

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Speaker 2: it kind of goes hand in hand with this.

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Speaker 8: And it's first season success.

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Speaker 2: I am so impressed with how many coaches or players

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Speaker 2: have had incredible success in their first season with a team.

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Speaker 2: And let's start with a guy like Sam Darnold, right

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Speaker 2: because first season with the Seahawks, he kind of he

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Speaker 2: the big knock, well can he win in big games?

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Speaker 8: Can he win in the in the playoffs?

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Speaker 2: And obviously the Vikings didn't think so, which is why

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Speaker 6: But is.

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Speaker 2: Also like best case scenario for Sam because he got

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Speaker 2: winning his quarterback the last two seasons on two different

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Speaker 2: guy like Mike Rabel, I mean first season as the

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Speaker 5: We talked about, you talk about because that is Brabel's

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Speaker 2: Not a more perfect match. Mike Frable head coach of

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Speaker 6: He won I think it.

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Speaker 2: Was what three rings as a player with the Patriots,

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Speaker 2: but he took a team that went four and thirteen

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Speaker 2: last year, last in their division to fourteen and three

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Speaker 2: winning their division, and now they're headed to the super Bowl.

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Speaker 8: It's just he turned Drake May into an MVP candidate.

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Speaker 2: I think that also was helpful that he brought in

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Speaker 3: How to develop quarterbacks for all of their quarterback friendly scheme.

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Speaker 2: Yes, which is huge, but it's just it's it's so

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Speaker 8: Is this kind of the new standard or.

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Speaker 2: Is it almost an unrealistic expectation that they set moving

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Speaker 2: forward like culture is a real thing.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well it's going to be both. It's going to

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Speaker 7: be the standard and an unrealistic.

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Speaker 6: Guess in the NFL. Then the owners go, I want

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Speaker 7: Well, if they're doing it well, it was like the

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Speaker 7: Sean McVay hire, the young, new, exciting coach. Then all

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Speaker 7: of a sudden there was this wave of oh, we

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Speaker 7: got to get the young, hot, next guy, and that's

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Speaker 3: That that's why it's called the copycat league and everybody

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Speaker 3: is just trying to replicate the success. But what people

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Speaker 3: don't understand is there are so many factors that go

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Speaker 3: into that. Rabel is an interesting one because it's not

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Speaker 3: as if he's a first time head coach. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 3: the first year of but he had a lot of

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Speaker 3: success as a head coach with the Ta Taps. He

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Speaker 3: And I think Mike Rabel is the best Patriot way

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Speaker 3: example but also fun but.

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Speaker 8: By example because he in there.

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Speaker 2: He knows how to win as a player, but he

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Speaker 2: also seems like a coach that guys want to, like

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Speaker 2: literally put their.

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Speaker 3: Life on the line. They still have helmets on his

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Speaker 7: But when they were when they were stuck in Denver

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Speaker 7: and he was like, go go out have fun. But

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Speaker 7: if you're not on that bus tomorrow morning at eight,

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Speaker 7: you're not playing in.

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Speaker 4: The super Bowl.

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Speaker 7: And they all were like, we're going to go out

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Speaker 7: and we're gonna be in the bus because he means it.

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Speaker 6: But he's also out.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, Tom Brady said that this week.

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Speaker 5: You ever, I would love to know how many calories

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Speaker 5: he burns during a game because of how active he

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Speaker 5: is on the.

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Speaker 6: Side down his blood pressure is going through the roof.

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Speaker 4: And how active do you think he is in calling.

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Speaker 5: I know he's not truly the defensive color, but right

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Speaker 3: He's still the architective of the defense, but he's the

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Speaker 3: one that everything still has to go through. And if

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Speaker 3: you don't think that he's clicking over into that headsetting,

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Speaker 11: gain four yards, you failed for a quarterback, right, So

448
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Speaker 11: every situation calls for a different output, and so you're

449
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Speaker 11: measuring efficiency of your options. And so that's why we

450
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Speaker 11: like EPA because it takes into account the situation. It

451
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Speaker 11: has context added to the yards.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, because I've just and I it matters when

453
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Speaker 2: the game's on the line or well.

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Speaker 11: For sure, if you're trying to figure out if your

455
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Speaker 11: team is good at something in terms of like you

456
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Speaker 11: want to be predictive, you want to go, we were

457
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Speaker 11: good at this in week one, will we be good

458
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Speaker 11: at it in the two and in week three? Yeah,

459
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Speaker 11: that's a number that's more likely to tell you whether

460
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Speaker 11: you're good as opposed to whether you faced a bad

461
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Speaker 11: defense or something like that. And to people who are

462
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Speaker 11: like you can't explain EPA, don't understand EPA, I say,

463
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Speaker 11: do you understand how passer rating is calculated.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, no one, No one knows anything.

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Speaker 2: They're just like, oh, this is a number that looks fancy,

466
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Speaker 2: So that's what we're going to go with, and that's

467
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Speaker 2: just going to determine an.

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Speaker 8: Entire player's career. Yes, but why but so you were

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Speaker 8: the but why let me explain? But why?

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Speaker 6: Yes?

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Speaker 11: Well, and I just think some are misleading. Yes, you know,

472
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Speaker 11: like you have passing yards and Aaron Rodgers through for

473
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Speaker 11: a ton of yards for the Jets, and I had

474
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Speaker 11: people going like, are you sure he's not that great anymore?

475
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Speaker 11: And I was like, oh, passing yards, let's let's let's

476
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Speaker 11: let's pre tack. If we're playing fantasy football, you're trying

477
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Speaker 11: to figure out who you want to start, and you're

478
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Speaker 11: thinking about script. You're like, this team is going to

479
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Speaker 11: be behind, and so they're going to throw a lot. Yes,

480
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Speaker 11: that's how you can get a lot of passing yards

481
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Speaker 11: by being bad. Right, It doesn't mean that you were good.

482
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Speaker 11: It just means that you were behind a lot.

483
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Speaker 3: Ms Winston who threw for almost five thousand yards under

484
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Speaker 3: personians but also through thirty interceptions, You're like, we were

485
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Speaker 3: he threw a lot because we were double right.

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Speaker 11: It's a number, and it is the number, and it

487
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Speaker 11: did tell you that it passed a lot of yards

488
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Speaker 11: and just tell you whether you're good.

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Speaker 4: And that's what a EPA for.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And it sounds like these running back metrics or

491
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Speaker 3: these player metrics that you guys are dealing with, are

492
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Speaker 3: isolating whether that player is in fact good or important

493
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Speaker 3: to team success.

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Speaker 11: But what and now I'm just going to make my

495
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Speaker 11: argument worse. EPA is a good team stat. Epaout running

496
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Speaker 11: back at right, because it'll tell you about quarterbacks because

497
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Speaker 11: everything kind of runs through the quarterback right, So like

498
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Speaker 11: it's good to use for quarterbacks, but if you use

499
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Speaker 11: it for a running back, what it's really telling you

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Speaker 11: is what the office.

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Speaker 6: The office is, Yes, the rushing rush.

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Speaker 11: So you'll see a lot of volatility in terms of

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Speaker 11: the EPA per rush for different running backs. And it's

504
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Speaker 11: just reflective of their environment. So things like yards after contact,

505
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Speaker 11: things that you can look for and say like that's them.

506
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Speaker 11: That's the breaking a tackle and picking up yards after

507
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Speaker 11: the defense is already on him. What's unfortunate in terms

508
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Speaker 11: of making it simple is that the stats that matter

509
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Speaker 11: for each position are different.

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Speaker 6: Yes, but it's really.

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Speaker 3: Cool that you get to dive into that with people

512
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Speaker 3: that are this for a living.

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Speaker 11: Yes, for the to do it with their eyes, and

514
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Speaker 11: then we do it with like the we have conversations

515
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Speaker 11: about it with each other.

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Speaker 3: That's just where you're like disproving something that they said

517
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Speaker 3: they saw with their eyes, but the data suggests that.

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Speaker 2: Well, where it's like it's really interesting because it's like

519
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Speaker 2: the data verse like the human factor, right, that always

520
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Speaker 2: comes in and that's always kind of like the delicate balance.

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Speaker 11: And everyone raft is an intangible process, yes, right, like

522
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Speaker 11: there is there are things that you're not gonna be

523
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Speaker 11: able to measure in your quarterback fronts that are very important,

524
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Speaker 11: like is he going to be a leader's leader to

525
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Speaker 11: show up every day in the facility and put all

526
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Speaker 11: of that work in Like yeah, you speak the same

527
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Speaker 11: language when we sit down and we come up with

528
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Speaker 11: the game plan for that week and I'm trying to

529
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Speaker 11: communicate it to you, you speak a shorthand that like

530
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Speaker 11: can we communicate easily?

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Speaker 4: Because sometimes that person can be very.

532
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Speaker 11: Good, but the two of you together, like we all

533
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Speaker 11: have people like that where're like that person's an awesome person,

534
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Speaker 11: but for whatever reason, when we sit down. It just

535
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Speaker 11: doesn't click, you know, And I think that that is

536
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Speaker 11: very important in that position, that you click with the

537
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Speaker 11: people in addition to also being capable in town.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy because obviously this is the biggest week

539
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Speaker 2: in football with the biggest game, but the moment the

540
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Speaker 2: confetti falls.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's draft time.

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Speaker 4: I know it's draft time. It's the beauty of the NFL.

543
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Speaker 2: Like the confetti drop, the light turns out in the

544
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Speaker 2: stadium and it's like, who's next.

545
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Speaker 4: Take a week off and then are you an Indy

546
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Speaker 4: for the Combine?

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Speaker 6: My favorite week of the year.

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Speaker 11: Two.

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Speaker 6: Are you going to be doing anything at the Combine

550
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Speaker 6: this year?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll be there.

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Speaker 6: You'll be there.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, you row and doing all yeah and amazing.

554
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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So I love the Combine.

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Speaker 11: I feel like the is this is kind of like

557
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Speaker 11: the party version of the NFL.

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Speaker 8: That's all I've ever heard.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's like, if you can get to the combine, get

560
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Speaker 2: to the combine. The combine is before you make your

561
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Speaker 2: relationships and connections and really get to know people.

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Speaker 10: Yes, and coaches and gms.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, they're they're like they're not really on the clock,

564
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Speaker 11: they're not preparing for a game. And to be honest

565
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Speaker 11: with you, the combine matters in very specific ways to them.

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Speaker 4: They're not like, what is that guy running? What did

567
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Speaker 4: that guy do?

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Speaker 11: It's got their evaluation wherever, and so they're just looking

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Speaker 11: for ways that the person did something that was different

570
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Speaker 11: than what they thought they could do. Okay, they're like,

571
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Speaker 11: did he run fast? I thought he was slow? Maybe

572
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Speaker 11: should go back and look at his tape. And that's

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Speaker 11: that's really all they're taking from it.

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Speaker 3: Well, and you said that the draft is an intangible process.

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Speaker 3: The intangible evaluation happens at the combine when you actually

576
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Speaker 3: get the number these guys.

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Speaker 8: Literally what it is, but they are four numbers.

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Speaker 6: But then you get but no, but then you get

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Speaker 6: to talk to them.

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Speaker 3: That's like you get the intangible of like putting these

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Speaker 3: guys on a whiteboard because they're meeting with every single team,

582
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Speaker 3: even seeing how they retain information and all.

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Speaker 6: Of that kind of Yeah, on top of what the data.

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Speaker 2: Says, where you can figure out if if like is

585
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Speaker 2: this kind of personality vibe?

586
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Speaker 10: But then how good of a judge of character are you?

587
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Speaker 4: I mean, all of the stuff that.

588
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Speaker 8: Is so bad, so excited for you and so excited.

589
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Speaker 2: For this and for fans to really like kind of

590
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Speaker 2: get an inside look of what goes into the evaluation

591
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Speaker 2: of these players and everything going into it. Have you

592
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Speaker 2: done anything evaluation wise? I know this is a draft show,

593
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Speaker 2: but for you personally, since I know you're a big

594
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Speaker 2: number as a data person on the.

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Speaker 8: Super Bowl, Oh for sure. Okay, yeah, who do you

596
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Speaker 8: have and why I like this? Are you giving it yet?

597
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Speaker 6: Okay?

598
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Speaker 8: Oh yeah, okay.

599
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Speaker 4: I like the Seahawks. I think.

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Speaker 10: The I don't know. Here's how the Patriots can win it?

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Speaker 11: I think, yeah, I think you have to find a

602
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Speaker 11: way to limit what Jackson Smith and Jigwa does. I'm

603
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Speaker 11: not sure that they will be able to like good

604
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Speaker 11: luck seen real good defenses struggle with that. The Rams

605
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Speaker 11: like rams in a blender. Yeah, Like they just didn't

606
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Speaker 11: know and they tried a bunch of different things, like

607
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Speaker 11: they were pivoting the whole game and nothing was working.

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Speaker 4: He's so good.

609
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Speaker 11: And then if they are able to do that, like

610
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Speaker 11: to put two people on him, then somebody will be open.

611
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Speaker 11: And then it's up to Sam Darnold, who I think

612
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Speaker 11: has evolved so much in his quarterbacking development. He'll be

613
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Speaker 11: able to identify where the open man is, so that

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Speaker 11: part I'm not really thinking is that big a deal.

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Speaker 11: I think that if Rabel can find a way to

616
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Speaker 11: force him to make mistakes and not in the the

617
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Speaker 11: carriage is going to turn into a pump game.

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Speaker 4: That's what I'm hearing.

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Speaker 11: A lot people are like, will he see ghosts again

620
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Speaker 11: around the other shoots? I think past that, We're past that.

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Speaker 11: We saw Josh Allen throw interceptions in the playoffs. So

622
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Speaker 11: good defense can bait you into making mistakes and that's

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Speaker 11: how the Patriots win as if they do that to

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Speaker 11: Sam and that.

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Speaker 3: Defensive front has really come on in the last part

626
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Speaker 3: of the season and in the postseason, especially where they

627
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Speaker 3: are getting a ton of pressure and that comes directly

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Speaker 3: from Mike Rabel.

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Speaker 11: I have to think, yeah, And I'm the interior of

630
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Speaker 11: the Seahawks offensive one is really good. But they're gonna

631
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Speaker 11: get They're gonna get some inside push, and they're gonna

632
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Speaker 11: get a tested Milton Williams woul talking about him after

633
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Speaker 11: the Super Bowl for the second year in a row.

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Speaker 10: I'm worried about the pressure on Drake may Yes.

635
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Speaker 6: Because that on the line is not where I think

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Speaker 6: they even want it to be.

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Speaker 2: Still and he also wasn't like he didn't give the

638
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Speaker 2: kind of performance that Sam Donald did in the playoffs.

639
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Speaker 2: He he heavily relied on his defense.

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Speaker 11: He has faced some insane defense he has and the

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Speaker 11: Seahawks are yet another one.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say they're probably the best for the best,

643
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Speaker 3: I mean Texans Brons, the Seahawks throw the Browns and

644
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Speaker 3: that conversation to the defenses, like that's three of the

645
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Speaker 3: top four defenses.

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Speaker 11: In the league that you had to go through in

647
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Speaker 11: order to get here. But I think we've seen it

648
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Speaker 11: affect his play. So we've seen some turnovers, and we've

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Speaker 11: seen like low scoring games, and we've seen him get sacked,

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Speaker 11: to be honest, and if there's one thing that he

651
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Speaker 11: needs to work on, and I voted for him for

652
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Speaker 11: the All Pro Quarterback first team, he was my guy

653
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Speaker 11: over Stafford and they're both amazing. But like I think

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Speaker 11: Drake did amazing things this year. Yes, if there's a

655
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Speaker 11: hole in his game, it is sacked avoidance. And we

656
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Speaker 11: saw Caleb Williams takes strides forward in that way. That's

657
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Speaker 11: that's what we still need to see from him. He

658
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Speaker 11: has two games Drake May in the postseason where the

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Speaker 11: pressure has led to zero escape attempts for him, So

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Speaker 11: he's taking sacks at a relatively high rate in terms

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Speaker 11: of the pressure to sack ratio. And what you want

662
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Speaker 11: to see is what Caleb did this year against the Rams.

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Speaker 11: He had a zero pressure to sack ratio. None of

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Speaker 11: them turned into sacks, but he had a very high

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Speaker 11: escape attempt So he's escaping and not just tucking and running,

666
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Speaker 11: but he's eyes up looking to throw the ball down field,

667
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Speaker 11: which is the most efficient way to move the ball downfield.

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Speaker 11: That's the thing that Drake needs to work on. And

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Speaker 11: so I will be keeping my eye on whether or

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Speaker 11: not he's able to get one or two of those

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Speaker 11: in yeah, which sounds like such a small numbered out,

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Speaker 11: but it's literally been.

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Speaker 6: Zero yeah that you're talking about.

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Speaker 8: It's gonna be yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think that's something he did last year too when

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Speaker 3: he first got in, because that offensive line was just

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Speaker 3: an absolute piecemeal offensive line. And I was scared to

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Speaker 3: death when Drake May got in for the Patriots, where

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Speaker 3: I was like.

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Speaker 6: He's gonna it's gonna be over before it starts.

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Speaker 3: But I think he showed a little bit of that

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Speaker 3: his capability last year, so we'll see if you can

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Speaker 3: get it back for this one.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Lindsay, thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Let everyone know where they can find the evaluation when

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Speaker 2: it airs all all of the.

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Speaker 11: Goodnsumer sports dot com because you can also find a

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Speaker 11: link to a live advanced data dashboard that you can

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Speaker 11: have up as a second screen during the game and

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Speaker 11: get all of these weird nerdy stats like live and

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Speaker 11: updating after every single play. There's also a draft guid

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Speaker 11: or a draft guide went live yesterday, so you can

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Speaker 11: find a lot of detail about like I know, a

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Speaker 11: lot of the other ones tell you like this guy

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Speaker 11: is good and yes, work on this ours is more usage.

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Speaker 11: We'll paint a picture from our charting data about how

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Speaker 11: he was used in college, whether he was good in

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Speaker 11: what areas.

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Speaker 3: See maybe where he would be good in the NFL,

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Speaker 3: what teams he could potentially jewelling in.

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Speaker 11: Chris, I think it's a really interesting supplemental draft guide

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Speaker 11: to put with. Like the Beast from the Athletics, it'll

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Speaker 11: tell you about the player, like whether they're good or

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Speaker 11: not good, and then you go, oh, like Carnel Tate

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Speaker 11: run a ton of go routes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and so you're like.

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Speaker 11: Looking at we have like a route tree chart about

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Speaker 11: how how many times or what percentage of their routes

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Speaker 11: were each route. Yeah, and what depth they're actually thrown

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Speaker 11: to its steep So yeah. So that's all supersports dot

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Speaker 11: Com and that's s U m er lame, Lindsay.

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Speaker 2: Thank you got too, subscribers, Thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: coming on.

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Speaker 10: Thank you guys.

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Speaker 6: I love that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we are back to the four of us. Lindsay

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Speaker 2: Rhodes was awesome, Carme. I knew that you were gonna

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Speaker 2: love that because I'm going to whole like science, like

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Speaker 2: data science, nerd deep dive.

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Speaker 8: So awesome. But let's get back to our top of.

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Speaker 2: The day was each of our biggest takeaways from the season,

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Speaker 2: and I obviously started with the first season success and

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Speaker 2: how impressive it's been. Whether you're a first time coach

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Speaker 2: or first first year coach with a new franchise or

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Speaker 2: Sam Darnold first time with the Seahawks. Karmie, what is

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Speaker 2: your biggest takeaway from the season.

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Speaker 3: So it's interesting because we talk about now, is this

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Speaker 3: going to be the new standard for guys, Are you

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Speaker 3: only going to get a year?

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Speaker 6: Yes, and because other owners are going to see, hey,

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Speaker 6: so and so did it, so and so did it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well that but the expectations that ownership now has has

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Speaker 3: had a real tangible effect on the coaching cycle. We

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Speaker 3: saw this year on decisions that were made perhaps without.

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Speaker 6: A whole lot of planning. So this is going.

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Speaker 3: I saw a lot of reactionary decision when talking about

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Speaker 3: the Bills, whose owner Terry Pagoula comes out and says, yeah.

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Speaker 6: I basically made the decision.

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Speaker 3: When I saw Josh Allen crying in the locker room

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Speaker 3: after the Broncos so emotional decision. I was like, man,

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Speaker 3: for everybody that that's women are emotional when they make decisions.

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Speaker 2: Men are the owners.

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Speaker 3: Yes, let me throw my drink on you, so let

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Speaker 3: me know that right now, I think one of the other.

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Speaker 3: And when the Bills did that, it was very clear

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Speaker 3: that they didn't have a plan for how they were

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Speaker 3: going to replace Sean McDermott or how it was going

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Speaker 3: to be different. Now they elevated Joe Brady, their offensive

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Speaker 3: coordinator to that head coaching spot. But if you're wanting

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Speaker 3: a breath of fresh air, and that's the reason you're

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Speaker 3: getting rid of Sean McDermott's Joe Brady has been part

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Speaker 3: of Sean McDermott's staff, this same culture. It's not a

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Speaker 3: breath of fresh seller. It's not the same. And then

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Speaker 3: when you look at something like what the Minnesota Vikings

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Speaker 3: just did with Quesado, and it wasn't so much that

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Speaker 3: I didn't think there was a case for Questi to

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Speaker 3: have been let go, but when you look at the

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Speaker 3: timing of it coincided with Sam Darnold to the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 7: It was like writing the text you should have taken

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Speaker 7: just a minute to read and take a breath. Yes,

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Speaker 7: that's literally what it was like, you're fired, Well now

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Speaker 7: we did it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but if you have chat GBT write the text

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Speaker 4: for you.

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Speaker 6: Or but like also that's a text that gets deleted

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Speaker 6: and ever.

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Speaker 3: And at this point they are having again an in

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Speaker 3: house person take over that through the draft and then

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Speaker 3: they will revisit that that position no plan, But why

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Speaker 3: would you do that when also Questiadoho Menza was just

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Speaker 3: at the Senior Bowl for them, had just gone to

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Speaker 3: the Senior Bowl for them, and then he's starting to

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Speaker 3: do the draft process work that a GM does and

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Speaker 3: then you fire him. That doesn't make any sense to me,

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Speaker 3: the timing at least, And it just screams that this

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Speaker 3: was again an emotional decision, and this is having real

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Speaker 3: consequences for so many guys around the league, so many

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Speaker 3: franchises around the league where it's like, it's very clear

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Speaker 3: that they did not have a plan going into some

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Speaker 3: some of these firings and.

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Speaker 6: Things are not going to be better right away.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, and so you and now you couple that with

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Speaker 3: the expectation we just talked about of wanting to turn

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Speaker 3: around a team in a year. I look at Joe

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Speaker 3: Brady in Buffalo where I'm like, he has no leash.

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Speaker 6: He has no leash.

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Speaker 3: Whatsoever because it is Super Bowl or bus for the

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Speaker 3: Buffalo Bills. Yeah, and because he was already on the staff,

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Speaker 3: because he has the MVP Josh Allen quarterback, like they are, their.

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Speaker 6: Expectation is to get to the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 5: What I want to know as a fan, how are

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Speaker 5: you reacting when you're seeing your ownership group be so reactionary?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 5: And It's like, is that's that's something a fan should

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Speaker 5: be saying, Fire this person, fire that, Right.

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Speaker 6: You're not supposed to listen to if you're an outer.

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Speaker 4: But they are.

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Speaker 7: I wonder how much of it in the social media

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Speaker 7: world is that probably doesn't right? They say they don't,

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Speaker 7: but they do what the bills that they do. The

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Speaker 7: bills are interesting because of the bills. Now going to

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Speaker 7: become one of these teams.

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Speaker 4: That fires their coach every year, like if Joe Brady,

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Speaker 4: what if where show?

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Speaker 3: Sean McDermott was the third longest tenured coach I think

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Speaker 3: technically fourth because there were three two that were tied,

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Speaker 3: but third longest tenure in the league when he got tired.

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Speaker 3: And so now it's like, do you become and to

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Speaker 3: your to your guys' point of these guys see everything.

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Speaker 3: I can prove that because I was part of that

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Speaker 3: when I worked for the Buccaneers. There is a clip

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Speaker 3: package that goes out to every coach and it is

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Speaker 3: PR's job to put it all together, to tell them

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Speaker 3: what is being said about that, just to peruse social

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Speaker 3: media and see what's on there both through all the

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Speaker 3: video clips they get sent a video clip clip package

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Speaker 3: with all video clips from the TV shows and this,

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Speaker 3: that and the other. They also get sent a package

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Speaker 3: that or a packet that has all of the articles

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Speaker 3: that are written about them, and some.

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Speaker 6: Do have a social media.

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Speaker 3: Sean Payton is actually notorious for also lurking himself. Sean Payton,

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Speaker 3: I think still follows me. When I was a Buccaneers

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Speaker 3: reporter was not the same.

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Speaker 5: Did you ever see when Russell Westbrook postgame just tweeted

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Speaker 5: out his name because he was actually searching himself.

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Speaker 6: Yes, yes, yes he was searching.

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Speaker 8: Was it from a burner?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 4: It was Russell west brought the We literally don't either.

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Speaker 8: Don't Rustle Westbrook.

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Speaker 4: Guys.

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Speaker 8: Everybody has been amazing.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's human, and we all crave that validation, whether it's

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Speaker 2: good or bad, especially like when you're a public figure

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Speaker 2: running a team, you want to kind.

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Speaker 8: Of test the temperature. Ves.

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Speaker 2: I didn't see it, but I mean the Mills and

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Speaker 2: Brady're gonna have like the most pressure on them this

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Speaker 2: season because of.

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Speaker 8: The super Bowl or bus.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't have the wiggle room or any grace to like,

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Speaker 2: oh let me see if like if if he's like

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Speaker 2: changing anything, it's gonna work. No, this is like this

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Speaker 2: is where the the Mike Rabol, the Ben Johnson and

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Speaker 2: the Liam Cohen example of like you better come in

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Speaker 2: and have success immediately as the head coach with this franchise.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and you're out.

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Speaker 3: And it's not fair to put that off Joe Brady

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Speaker 3: at this point because of again the dysfunction that's happening

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Speaker 3: in the organization. Where you look at the environment that

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Speaker 3: these guys go in. That is so important. We talk

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Speaker 3: to Liz Runs the environment that quarterbacks go into and

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Speaker 3: how that's really important, or even running backs or whatever.

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Speaker 3: But what's also really important is what the coach inherits

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Speaker 3: and and how the entire organization works, and how ownership

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Speaker 3: works with are they micromanager?

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Speaker 6: They let you do your job.

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Speaker 3: That stuff all matters, and that's not awfully thought about

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Speaker 3: when you're placing these expectations on guys. So I'm very

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Speaker 3: interested to see what happens for Buffalo this year.

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Speaker 5: So your takeaway is emotional emotional.

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Speaker 12: Our emotional season, first season success and way too emotional.

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Speaker 12: And men are emotional emotional, well, just like emotional divisions

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Speaker 12: by management.

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Speaker 8: All right, who's next?

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Speaker 7: Well, I think my piggybacks a little bit on that,

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Speaker 7: and I want to talk about quarterbacks. I feel like

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Speaker 7: this is the year of the rise of the quarterback,

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Speaker 7: but but the rise of the quarterbacks that were left

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Speaker 7: and discarded.

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Speaker 4: You talked about some chances, second chance, second chance, second chance.

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Speaker 8: That's the rift show because.

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Speaker 4: Now they are now they are fully high price. The

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Speaker 4: season fire season fires, action is over.

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Speaker 7: But I think when we talk about the pressure on coaches,

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Speaker 7: we talk about the success with first year. Yeah, we

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Speaker 7: have all these quarterbacks, and it's kind of sort with

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Speaker 7: Baker Mayfield. You know a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 4: Who were discarded their bus, forget it.

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Speaker 7: And now you look at what a difference resources make,

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Speaker 7: what a difference a coach makes, what a difference a

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Speaker 7: situation makes, And it's almost asinine in a weird way.

891
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 7: It's like crazy that we draft these kids one, two,

892
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 7: and three because they go into organizations that were not.

893
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 6: School reason the reason they have thirdig.

894
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 7: And say to these kids twenty to twenty two, well,

895
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 7: you're good, bluff, it's your and if you're not, if

896
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 7: you're not a star in about a year, we're just

897
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 7: gonna throw you away. And so you talked about Sam Darnold,

898
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 7: the ultimate of this we sawt with Mac Jones in

899
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 7: San Francisco. He's not a starter, He's going to be

900
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 7: a starter. What a tremendous rise he had. Just like

901
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 7: Kyle Shanahan quarterback school. It's like everybody's going there to

902
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 7: get it back. Baker Mayfield, Trevor Lawrence, Caleb Williams, Kayla Williams.

903
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 7: After one year, one year was it's about a competent, Yeah,

904
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 7: it's about and then he brings in a compreperent coach

905
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 7: who brings in a system that works for him, that

906
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 7: goes to his strengths, that has confidence in him.

907
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 4: And look what happens to the Chicago Bears. And I

908
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 4: think like maybe.

909
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 7: The theme of all of this is success patients resources.

910
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 4: You've got to give that to people, you have a cultivate.

911
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 4: We talked about Clure got A.

912
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 3: Ultimately, the commient nominator in all of this is that

913
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 3: the situation drastically changes for these guys when they either

914
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 3: go to another team or the edited coach, where it

915
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 3: is no longer an organization of dysfunction, it's no longer

916
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,720
Speaker 3: an environment of dysfunction.

917
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 2: Well, they're not the savior they're getting in a plug

918
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,280
Speaker 2: and play situation. Where they're coming into a good situation

919
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 2: and they have protection, and they have good weapons, and

920
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 2: they have good management, and they have good coaches. Yes,

921
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 2: Lindsay talked about this too, like the kind of the

922
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 2: comeback in the Rise of the Cultures, the running back right, yes.

923
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 3: Running, it's the situation that they go into, because that

924
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 3: context matters greatly when you're talking about how these guys

925
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 3: caem have success, whether that's the offensive line in front

926
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 3: of them, whether that's the coach calling a very quarterback

927
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 3: friendly scheme, whether that's the fact that ownership is willing

928
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 3: to spend money to go get you some experience and

929
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 3: some guys around you.

930
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 6: That is all. That doesn't happen with teams usually that

931
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 6: are first in the draft.

932
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 2: Let me just like explain here the draft class of

933
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 2: Sam Darnald, right, because you talked about quarterbacks getting second, yes,

934
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 2: is here, and the first three that got picked before

935
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 2: the last two in the first round is wild when

936
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 2: you hear it. Okay, because Baker Mayfield number one one

937
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 2: round row did not work out.

938
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 8: He was what team three or four to the.

939
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 2: Bucks four four four?

940
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 6: It was Panthers Rams.

941
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, there's ms.

942
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 7: I forget about the Rams yeah, and then you have

943
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 7: Sam Donald number three to the Jets, also on four

944
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 7: or five team. Then you have Josh Allen seven to

945
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 7: the Bills. We got an MVP there, Josh Rosen tend

946
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 7: to the Cards. Obviously that didn't pan out great. No,

947
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 7: Lamar Jackson thirty two to the Ravens.

948
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 6: So it's situation.

949
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 5: I I do want to like give Sam Darnold some

950
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 5: love here because there is a reason why he kept

951
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 5: getting phone calls, you know, eight years and said it

952
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 5: was his character, it was his head down work ethic.

953
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 4: And I love Baker. I've covered Baker.

954
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 5: I know that dude thrives with a chip on his

955
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 5: shoulder and he'll even talk about that resentment day to day. Right,

956
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 5: But Sam when asked about his time with Carolina and

957
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 5: with the Jets, it's it's gratitude, it's humility. And you know,

958
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 5: there's a reason Shanahan wanted it in San Francisco, and

959
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 5: there's a reason why he's been given the opportunity over

960
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,919
Speaker 5: and over again, where some quarterbacks like you know, maybe

961
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 5: a Cam Newton, they're not they're not still playing in

962
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 5: the league with those multiple chances because of the way

963
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 5: they've carried themselves and you know, throughout throughout their care

964
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 5: I think I.

965
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 3: Think it's really interesting too when you can connect the

966
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 3: dots so vividly between like since for the Sam for instance,

967
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 3: Sam Darnold's path where he's in San Francisco as a

968
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 3: backup Kyle Shanahan, who's part of Kyle Shanahan's coaching tree.

969
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 3: Kevin O'Connell is right, so it was you know that

970
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 3: there was a conversation at one point between those guys

971
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,720
Speaker 3: where Shanahan's like, dude, he's great, he has something. Yeah,

972
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 3: you need a high end backup. This is your guy,

973
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 3: and Kevin O'Connell brings him in. He leads the Vikings

974
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 3: to a fourteen win season, insane. And then you also

975
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 3: there was still doubt when he went to the Seahawk

976
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 3: of is he fixed quote unquote.

977
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 2: Because he lost the biggest game of the season of

978
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 2: the regular season, and then he for seeding and then

979
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 2: he lost his first playoff.

980
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 3: Game, which is getting all sample side, that was the

981
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 3: first time he'd been in that Since you.

982
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 2: Made exactly what it is, you can kind of understand

983
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 2: both sides of that argument, right right, Like Okay, this

984
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 2: is our way, Like chicken Egg. We're not going to

985
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 2: spend all of our money on Sam. We're going to

986
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 2: go in on JJ. If he's in the building, he

987
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: might kind of like, yeah, he'd still be like.

988
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 8: He'd be are in between, but he's not the actual choice.

989
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 2: So I think it was best for Sam to be

990
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 2: that actual choice instead of the bridge or the in

991
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 2: between or someone who.

992
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 8: Is is just keeping the seat warm for.

993
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 2: The guy sitting like right next to you, because that's

994
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:13,720
Speaker 2: also a weird vibe.

995
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 4: As well a hunt. It's such a weird vibe.

996
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 7: I can tell you from when the Fortnightitars drafted Trey

997
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 7: Lance and.

998
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 4: Jimmy was still gonna be the starter.

999
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 7: Rock Perdy has saved them on that because people forget

1000
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 7: about l Ego and Rock Party has saved them because

1001
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 7: could you imagine people would be talking about that for

1002
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 7: years to come. But when they drafted Tray, Jimmy is

1003
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 7: still going to be the starter. There was this kind

1004
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 7: of weird vibe.

1005
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:39,479
Speaker 4: But Jimmy's a starter.

1006
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 7: He takes him to an NFC championship game and he's done.

1007
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 7: They don't trade him in the off season because they

1008
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 7: can't because use a surgery. Yeah, then Trey comes in

1009
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 7: as the starter, but it's very clear early in training

1010
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 7: camp that Trey Lance should not start to see they

1011
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 7: signed Jimmy Garoppolo. I would say that phone call with

1012
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 7: Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch if I go back as

1013
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 7: some of the funniest not meant to be funny calls.

1014
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,959
Speaker 7: We're so excited. I mean, we're so excited. This word

1015
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 7: Doug great, we have Jimmy. It's gonna be you know,

1016
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 7: he's just there in case he's I mean, we're so excited.

1017
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 7: I was like, I think they're really excited, but it

1018
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 7: just was it just was so funny because it was

1019
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 7: this weird situation. It's part of why there are a

1020
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 7: lot of reasons trade and thrive. But that didn't help anything,

1021
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 7: and it was a constant conversation and it's it's just

1022
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 7: it's just funny. So I think we got to give

1023
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 7: these kids, and.

1024
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,720
Speaker 8: Their kids said that they are children.

1025
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 4: There and this is their job and this is what

1026
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 4: they've been raised to do and all of that. But

1027
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 4: it's a lot to put on.

1028
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 7: Okay, I think of Fernando Mendoza, who's probably gonna go

1029
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 7: to the Raiders and it's gonna be like, well.

1030
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 3: Well, the college game and the NFL game, though they

1031
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 3: look similar, are still dress especially for quarterbacks. They have

1032
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 3: the one of the biggest learning curves when you talk

1033
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 3: about positions from college to the NFL. They are taught

1034
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 3: to see the field completely differently. In college, they are

1035
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 3: in completely, wildly different schemes. There are quarterbacks that come

1036
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 3: out of college that have never even been in a

1037
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 3: huddle because all they do is go up tempo or

1038
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 3: have never been under center because that's not what's scheme called. Yeah,

1039
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 3: and that's something you're inevitably going to have to do

1040
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 3: in the NFL, but it's wildly different. You have to

1041
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 3: turn your back to an NFL defense and then try

1042
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 3: to read it again.

1043
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 6: That's not easy for guys to do.

1044
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 5: Which is making a twenty three year old Drake may

1045
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 5: look all the more impressive. Yeah, okay, your turn, My

1046
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 5: takeaway kind of to bring everything we've been saying together.

1047
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 4: This has been a season of disruption, and.

1048
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 5: Not only when you look at the postseason picture as

1049
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,720
Speaker 5: a whole. Right, the perennial contenders have been gone no Chiefs,

1050
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,399
Speaker 5: no Ravens, no Bills.

1051
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 4: No Eagles.

1052
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 5: Right, the final four teams all top ten defenses, elite

1053
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 5: defensive units. And then you look at the Super Bowl matchup,

1054
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 5: like you said, two defensive minded coaches. Yeah, on the

1055
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 5: biggest stage for the first time I think in nine years.

1056
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 5: And we talked about the NFL being a copycat league,

1057
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 5: and I think you looked at how the Seahawks looked

1058
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 5: at McDonald said, we need you to be a disruptor

1059
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 5: in the NFC West against the Shanahans and mcveigh's I

1060
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 5: think this cycle, this might just be the tipping point

1061
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 5: of are we going to see elite defense now be

1062
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 5: the factor that means winning at the highest level and

1063
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 5: it already has been, right championships and you know what,

1064
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 5: then you back it up with Seattle's offense, which has

1065
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 5: been delivering. But I just think that this as a

1066
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 5: whole has been a season of disruption and we're not

1067
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,439
Speaker 5: only going to see you know, that trend of parody

1068
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 5: in who can compete, but defense prevailing ten and ten again.

1069
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 2: I mean, it's wild. I think this has probably been

1070
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 2: talked about all season. Beginning of the season, if you

1071
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 2: asked who you thought was going to win each division,

1072
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 2: I don't think this would have been the Patriots, a Steeler,

1073
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 2: the Jilder, pat fan go on, I mean Eagles, Yes,

1074
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 2: that that was okay, Bears, Panthers, Seahawks, Like I don't like,

1075
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 2: I want to see who if they bet that?

1076
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 8: Who bet that?

1077
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 6: In the beginning, I think about it by. I think

1078
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 6: about it by that would be.

1079
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 2: A millionaire if that was something you bet you the division,

1080
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 2: you did.

1081
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 3: A parlay with all the division winners and you picked

1082
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 3: all those guys, we would know about it way anybody.

1083
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,720
Speaker 7: Well, I think about this point to the defense. Defense,

1084
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 7: as usaid Carmon, it wins championships. That was the adage forever.

1085
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 7: You know what I kind of think change that was

1086
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 7: Patrick Mahomes because Patrick Mahomes is a generational talent who

1087
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 7: it didn't matter as much and I don't think the

1088
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 7: Chiefs defense ever got as much credit as it deserved

1089
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 7: that run. But I think Patrick Mahomes kind of changed

1090
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 7: that for people because it was like, well, they don't

1091
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 7: have a great defense, but the Patrick, well you get

1092
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 7: Patrick Mahomes as Patrick Mahomes. So I think that is

1093
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 7: kind of what changed that. And now we're going back.

1094
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 3: The interesting thing is that's still an anomaly because actually,

1095
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 3: so our set right now is right next door of

1096
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 3: the fan duels that, which where is Kay Adams is doing?

1097
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 4: I didn't know what's.

1098
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 6: Going on over.

1099
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 8: She's on top. She's like, she did a choke hold.

1100
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 4: How you start a Wednesday morning? Always bring out.

1101
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 8: That's why there's a choke hold?

1102
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, I bring up it looks like wrestling.

1103
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 8: It is wrestling. They have a wrestler, got it.

1104
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 3: I bring up Kay though, because she actually did something

1105
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 3: on her show where she she went through all of

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Speaker 3: the Super Bowl winning quarterbacks and looked at their defenses

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Speaker 3: and only I think it was Peyton Manning and there

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Speaker 3: was one other that didn't have a top ten defense

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Speaker 3: when he won the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 6: So it's I think the recipe is great quarterback, great defense.

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Speaker 4: Yes, which trucks? Which truck?

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Speaker 7: Imagine that that does? That doesn't make sense. And then

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Speaker 7: you had the Eagles last year. They were able to

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Speaker 7: do it in the trenches in Saqua and that was

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Speaker 7: kind of you know, but again in the trenches defense.

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Speaker 3: I mean, don't get me started on the trenches guys.

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Speaker 3: I will go on and on about Arman. She lives

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Speaker 3: in the strip because they don't get the credit they deserve,

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Speaker 3: and they are the ones where games are won.

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Speaker 6: And lost on the line of drummage.

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Speaker 3: But what I think is interesting and talking about the

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Speaker 3: disruption of this year in particular Nikki, is this is

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Speaker 3: you're seeing the league evolve in real time, and this happens.

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Speaker 3: You know, you go from a passing league. We went

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Speaker 3: from a smash mouth, running like run the football, huge

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Speaker 3: like tough defenses to now it's a passing league. There's

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Speaker 3: a little bit more finesse. Well, what happens defenses evolved

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Speaker 3: to then be lighter and faster and more complex. Now

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Speaker 3: what we're seeing too is all right, get these run

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Speaker 3: games involved, take advantage of the fact that these guys

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00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 3: aren't as big anymore, and then power your way through

1132
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Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage. That's how you can win. We're

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Speaker 3: seeing all of that evolution happen and we're at the

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Speaker 3: tipping point. I think you're right where this is where

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Speaker 3: things are starting to shift.

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Speaker 5: And that's reflected also in the stat like explosive play

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Speaker 5: differential right now is one of the most telling stats

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Speaker 5: of these final four right like they were the most

1139
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Speaker 5: you know, the defense is able to limit the explosive plays,

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Speaker 5: the offenses able to capitalize on that. So that's also

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Speaker 5: like you said this, this metamorphosis. Also, it is the

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Speaker 5: year of the Snake ending right now, the shedding.

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Speaker 2: Oh you're not getting sports talk, but we're also going

1144
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Speaker 2: to get astrology, and we do.

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Speaker 5: It all and we do it all the fire Horses

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Speaker 5: on February seventeenth.

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Speaker 4: So as is the NFL shutting right now?

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Speaker 8: You're of the fire horse?

1149
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1150
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 8: Is it Bronco? Oh there were shadows?

1151
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Speaker 4: Well you heard it here written and scene.

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Speaker 2: You guys want to find first day day.

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Speaker 3: I'm so excited. This is the first time we're all

1154
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Speaker 3: four together.

1155
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Speaker 4: We never been I know, four of us. It's like

1156
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Speaker 4: twos and two it is.

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Speaker 2: I love this so much. Just we're about to have

1158
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Speaker 2: the best week ever, you guys, So make sure you

1159
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 2: come back tomorrow. Check us out on the Fox Sports

1160
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 2: Radio YouTube page or if you're listening to the podcast

1161
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 2: wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 8: Just well, I'm so excited.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there are no words except for let's go,

1164
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Speaker 2: because this is gonna be absolutely insane.

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Speaker 8: So thank you so much for tuning in.

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Speaker 2: Alex Curry, Nikki k Tracy Sandler, Carmen Vitally.

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Speaker 8: We'll do it again tomorrow. Yeah yeah, see wait