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Speaker 2: Last night when we yeld Salt Lake City, right, I

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Speaker 2: Yep, thanks for staying overnight and staying the rest of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys slept in the building and we appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: You do who was here last night and heard our

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Speaker 2: funny jokes. Okay, I was that's enough that we can

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Speaker 2: We look like Jolly Ranchers.

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Speaker 1: We look like USS enterprise wise, that was a good one.

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Speaker 2: The Macarena was saying, like the whole thing happened, right.

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Speaker 2: Across economy, I went to the farmers market today.

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Speaker 2: Thing of kombucha? That's it? And there's so many. It

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Speaker 2: His name was Gentlemen. You know, I guess how much

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Speaker 2: Gentleman is his name, and he was, and he truly was.

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Speaker 2: It's not so much you were going to fuck your

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Speaker 1: Gorgeous lime green number.

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Speaker 2: And your incredible dress.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. That's Georgia hard Start. That's Karen

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Speaker 1: Every time we do a live show, we know there

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Speaker 2: That helps me? So? November eighteenth, twenty twenty, Remember Pilot

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Speaker 2: Ask you guys, know you're there's a rock doctor here

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Speaker 1: They left that there. It's from the beginning of Barbie

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Speaker 1: You did that?

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Speaker 2: But it's situated in an incredibly random and remote location

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Speaker 2: that's not easy to get to at all, especially with

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's what art students want you to say about them.

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Speaker 2: No, I give up. I've given up.

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Speaker 2: And they know. So there are no clues at all

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Speaker 2: it's as it appeared out of nowhere, and it's so

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Speaker 1: Yeah, running won't work.

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Speaker 2: Or have the person who knows how to fly the

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Speaker 1: Keep those helicopter keys in your pocket.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the helicopters have keys. Yeah, I mean it must right. Hey,

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Speaker 2: that Alley just is like George Scotten can have no

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Speaker 2: this is for me, not.

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Speaker 1: For you guys, for sure, just now you know. But

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sure is that it?

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Speaker 2: Okay? So so it's odd to find this, that's my point. Yes.

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Speaker 2: On November twenty, it's twenty twenty, two days after the discovery,

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Speaker 2: don't want them getting lost or hurt well fucking treking

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Speaker 2: So you're thinking Satanists always always think Satanists.

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Speaker 1: Every day and night. That's me. Don't tell my dad

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Speaker 2: But the Utah Department of Public Safety or DPS understands

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so good. They're like, hey, listen, this guy's father

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Speaker 2: Or he used this this throwaway account once and it

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Speaker 1: Yes, I mean this seems like a real storial thing.

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Speaker 2: So basically, of course people are able to figure out

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Speaker 2: for sure. After a few days of research, she finally

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Speaker 2: No one, nobody, no one lives there. Ok, it's a

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Speaker 1: Sure they show up for Bear's Ears.

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Speaker 2: Bear's Ears is about a two and a half hour

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Speaker 2: And so Lockhart Basin is much smaller, though, somewhere between

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Speaker 1: Probably, right, She drops to her knees and begins to

437
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:05,959
Speaker 1: worship the obelisk.

438
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 2: She describes finding a monolith as being like finding a needle,

439
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 2: like finding a needle in a haystack. Yet somehow, to

440
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 2: her surprise, she's not the only one there. Oh, such

441
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 2: a bummer, you know. And you're like, I listened to

442
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 2: that band first, I found that monolith verse. Yeah, no,

443
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 2: you didn't. A whole network of people wanting to find

444
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,360
Speaker 2: the monolith for themselves were working at tracking it down,

445
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 2: just like Monica, because we none of us had jobs

446
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:37,400
Speaker 2: at the time. Tim Slaine, a Reddit user, had tracked

447
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:42,199
Speaker 2: the GPS's helicopter's flight path. That's where That's where he went, Like,

448
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 2: that's so crazy, right, it's amazing. He definitely had to

449
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 2: like hack someone's you'd hope he had to hack a

450
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 2: computer system to figure that out. And it wasn't just

451
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 2: public knowledge, but I.

452
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 1: Think they do public knowledge stuff like that.

453
00:25:54,640 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 2: Okay, well fine, if you don't like it, take it to.

454
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: The State House. What I want. I have to stop interjecting.

455
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry.

456
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 2: No, you must, you must. The obelisk demands that you interject.

457
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: Just like in twenty twenty five, with everything going on, George,

458
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: just like, we need to take these flight path websites down.

459
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 1: It's the first thing we need to take care of

460
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: in America.

461
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 2: That is my plate. Now, this is what I'm fighting for. Okay.

462
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 2: So Tim Slane, he who's of course a Reddit user,

463
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 2: tracks down no hate, tracks down the flight path and

464
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 2: then runs it through Google Earth as well. I think

465
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 2: Google Earth put it up there to get more traffic.

466
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 2: I just fucking figured it out. It is funny. She

467
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 2: solved it.

468
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, how many?

469
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's okay, thank you. A Dutch journalist used publicly

470
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 2: available satellite images to find the monoliths location, and then

471
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 2: narrowed down the timeline from when it must have been installed.

472
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 2: You know, like, looked at the old Google Maps picture

473
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 2: in the current.

474
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: The mailman was going by in that slot cannon, nothing

475
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: was there.

476
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 2: Then the next time, my god, you could see my

477
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 2: grandpa playing fetch with me one last time. I know,

478
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 2: I love those. This is so so.

479
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: Sad, so sad.

480
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 2: My dog, my dog from two thousand and six.

481
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,959
Speaker 1: My dog standing at the end of the driveway waiting

482
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 1: for me.

483
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 2: Oh no, okay, we just bummed ourselves out at our

484
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 2: own show. Why would we do that. I'm want a

485
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 2: lot of things right now, nothing illegal yet.

486
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 1: After party.

487
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 2: That's right, everyone knows Utah's got the purest yes.

488
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 1: Ketymye, ketymy, it's all falling a k hole together. God

489
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 1: damn it.

490
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 2: What this could be a k hole ten years? Okay,

491
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 2: so stop it, stop it. He narrows down when this

492
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 2: Dutch journalist narrows down that it had to be there

493
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 2: sometimes have gotten there between July seventh, twenty sixteen and

494
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 2: October twenty first, twenty sixteen, four years before it was discovered.

495
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 2: So it was just sitting there biting. It's fucking time.

496
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: Come on, I'm so interesting to do. Here's everybody.

497
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, but still no one can track down who might

498
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 2: have built the monolith or why. At first, the San

499
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 2: Juan County Sheriff's Department doesn't take the appearance of the

500
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 2: monoliths seriously. They kind of poke fun at it by

501
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 2: making a Facebook post with mugshots of nine supposed suspects

502
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 2: let's take a look at it. Come on, someone in

503
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 2: social media at the San Juan County Sheriff's Department, guy

504
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 2: caught my joe, thank you what still don't Still that's

505
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 2: still a no. So that's how seriously they took it.

506
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: When I first turned, I saw et and then a

507
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: bunch of other et like shapes, and I was like,

508
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: this is kind of like the faces of meth of et.

509
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: Why would he get addicted?

510
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: I lost made a meth. So they did that, and

511
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 2: they're like, you know, making fun of it. So maybe

512
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:19,719
Speaker 2: it was quarantine.

513
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, nothing else to do?

514
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 2: What did you? Yeah, exactly.

515
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

516
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 2: But with the secret of the Utah Monolist's location out,

517
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 2: more and more people are attracted to land at that

518
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 2: up to this point, had been virtually untouched by humans.

519
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 2: So that's not cool. The risk of visitors getting into

520
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 2: danger in the wilderness with virtually no resources skyrockets. We're

521
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 2: talking about me.

522
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: Oh.

523
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 2: Environmentalists also become increasingly concerned. Just remember that during the pandemic,

524
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 2: like Vince and I tried to go hiking and we

525
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 2: got lost, and we were next to a frisbee golf

526
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 2: course and we got lost and we had to follow

527
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 2: the frisbee golf sailing through the air.

528
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: You had to follow the the sound of the bros

529
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: in the distance.

530
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 2: Like I was just kidding about that, but it's fucking true.

531
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 2: Like I had. We had a walk through a stream

532
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 2: and I stepped into the stream. It was a whole thing.

533
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 2: Just stay yeah, and so we have so obviously people

534
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 2: are gonna get hurt, and environmentalists also become increasingly concerned

535
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 2: for the well being of the land. There's also concern

536
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 2: about damaging or disturbing nearby Native American sites. So it's

537
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 2: not cool, guys. The Utah Department of Heritage and Arts

538
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 2: releases a statement saying, quote, while curiosity is understandable, we

539
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 2: discourage visiting the monolith along with safety concerns, increased crowds,

540
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 2: threatened the archaeological archaeological archaeological.

541
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, you nailed it. There are times a child.

542
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 2: The drag alongs or like what the fuck is this show? Okay. Finally,

543
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 2: while the monolith has craftsmanship, better craftsmanship than graffiti, still vandalism.

544
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 2: It irreversibly altered the natural environment on public lands. So

545
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 2: they're not stoked on it. End quote. No, that's end quote.

546
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: Before I said they're not stoked on it. That's not them,

547
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 2: that's me. I was a bad living.

548
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: What geologists said, they're not stoked on it?

549
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 2: I wouldn't tell you. I'm a geologist. That was my quote.

550
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: Oh cool.

551
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 2: So, with so much at risk, the San Juan County

552
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 2: Sheriff's Department switches gears and teams up with the Bureau

553
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 2: of Land Management to try and find out who built

554
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 2: this monolith and why. I assuming they can find them,

555
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 2: I don't know. But before their search can yield any

556
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 2: useful results, the monolith disappears. Yes, boop, that's what it said.

557
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 2: I no, no boop, I'm out. Yeah. On November twenty eighth,

558
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 2: I mean, ten days after it's found, Utah officials report

559
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 2: on their social media channels that the monolith has disappeared

560
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: and that no official agency has taken it down, Like

561
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 2: not us, you know, why are you laughing?

562
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: Some drunk high schoolers are like, we're gonna fucking get

563
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: that monolith and we're gonna put it in the quad.

564
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: Seeing your prank. Oh wait, we don't go to school anymore,

565
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 2: that's right, we go to school on zoom. Yeah. The

566
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 2: Department of Public Safety rites on their Instagram quote.

567
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: It's gone all caps.

568
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 2: Almost as quickly as it appeared, it has now disappeared.

569
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 2: I can only speculate that the aliens took it back.

570
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 2: End quote. That's I swear end quote.

571
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: That quote ends there.

572
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, little by little, a story begins to trickle

573
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 2: out about how the monolith was taken down spoiler not aliens.

574
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 2: On Friday November twenty seven, twenty twenty one, day before

575
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,479
Speaker 2: the disappearance is reported, a photographer named Ross Bernard ventures

576
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: out to the site with three friends so they can

577
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 2: take art seaf artsy photos. I'm assuming, I don't know.

578
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 2: I'm not judging obviously, that sound like you are. They

579
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 2: bring a light up drone for added effected to take

580
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 2: six hours for them to drive to the spot. That's like, yeah,

581
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 2: San Francis, go to La I mean, yikes, and let

582
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 2: you know, no lunchables on.

583
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: The way anything, No in and out.

584
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 2: No, they bring I already said that six hours and

585
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: then they arrived at the makeshift trailhead. It's not a

586
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 2: sanction hiking area about seven pm that night. There are

587
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 2: tons of cars present, but by the time they hike

588
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 2: out to the monolith there are the last group there

589
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 2: and they have the site to themselves and for about

590
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 2: an hour and a half they take all the photos

591
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 2: they can. But then at about eight forty pm, another

592
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 2: group of four dudes shows up trouble. Two of them

593
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 2: walk up to the monolith and give it a couple

594
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 2: of pushes. Then they look at Ross and his bros.

595
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: And say, you better have gotten your pictures, and then

596
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 2: with that they give the monolith one more big shove,

597
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 2: knocking it down.

598
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: Fucking monolith bullies.

599
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 2: Another guy in the group says, this is why you

600
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 2: don't leave trash in the desert. For a second, Ross

601
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 2: photographer is like, I'm gonna take I have a camera,

602
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take photos of them. But he's a little intimidating.

603
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 2: He doesn't want to piss these like bullies monolith bullies off. Yeah,

604
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 2: So instead, one of his friends who's with him, Michael

605
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 2: James Newland's, snaps some sly photos with his phone. In

606
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 2: just eight minutes, the whole structure is dismantled and removed.

607
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 2: As the four guys cart the wreckage away, they leave

608
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 2: Ross and his friends with one last line, leave no trace.

609
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: Oh, defenders of the land. Yes, it's important.

610
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 2: Like these guys start out bullies. In an Instagram post

611
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 2: recounting the experience that night, Ross says, quote, if you're

612
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 2: asking why we didn't stop them, well they were right

613
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 2: to take it out. We stayed the night and the

614
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 2: next day hiked to a hilltop overlooking the area, where

615
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 2: we saw at least seventy seventy different cars and a

616
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 2: plane in and out, cars parking everywhere in the delicate

617
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 2: desert landscape. I mean they probably drove a car there too, right.

618
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, glass houses too.

619
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 2: Nobody followed a path or each other. We could literally

620
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 2: see people trying to approach it from every direction, to

621
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 2: try and reach it permanently, altering the untouched landscape. Mother

622
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 2: nature is an artist. Best to leave the art in

623
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 2: the wild to her. Oh he's a poet.

624
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: To yes, very true.

625
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,760
Speaker 2: So it's Joshua Trees. I mean, what's what called burning

626
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 2: Man's fine though? Man I had gotten that first though.

627
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 2: Don't worry about the play out, Yeah, don't hear the plants.

628
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: You go, do your drugs there, ride your weird steampunk

629
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 1: bicycle all over the place. There you go, nerds.

630
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 2: After a few news reports comes out about the removal

631
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 2: of the monolith, two men come forward claiming to be

632
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 2: part of the group that removed them. Their names are

633
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 2: Andy Lewis and Sylvan Christensen. Andy is a high altitude

634
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 2: this is her future husband. Andy's a high altitude slack

635
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 2: line performer for MOAB.

636
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: No.

637
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 2: It was even done stunts alongside Madonna at the twenty

638
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 2: twelve Super Bowl halftime. Remember when fucking slack lining? Everyone's like,

639
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 2: what was that Madonna?

640
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 1: Remember this sounds very pink coated. This is a if

641
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: it's anyone's husband, it's Pink's husband. She loves a buggin

642
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: to be up on a high wire. No one got

643
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: my reference.

644
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 2: The only reason I remember this is because there was

645
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 2: a really funny Saturday at Lives sketch about slack lining

646
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 2: that just was I.

647
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: Feel like, I'm sorry to say I don't know what

648
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: slack lining is.

649
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 2: Well, it's like I'm gonna be wrong. You have a

650
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 2: line and it's kind of slack, and you like tie

651
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 2: it between two trees. Hear me out, and then you

652
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 2: like jump on it and do like twirls and whirls

653
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 2: and it's like a it's like a tight rope, but

654
00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: with slack. Nope, right, thank you, I'll show you now.

655
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 2: Oh my god, what if I had learned slack lining.

656
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: Just ros drops from the ceiling the music starts.

657
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 2: I think you'd laugh at it if you saw it. Okay,

658
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure, but you know.

659
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,439
Speaker 1: I'm definitely confused by it right now.

660
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 2: It's a sport. Okay. So Sylvan said they wanted to

661
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 2: protect the land from the influx of newcomers coming to

662
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 2: see the monolith, because you know they're from Moab. They're like,

663
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 2: this is bullshit. Yes exactly, he tells The New York Times.

664
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,720
Speaker 2: Quote this land wasn't physically prepared for the population shift

665
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 2: end quote. Being nature enthusiasts, both Sylvan and Andy don't

666
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 2: like seeing people come into natural spaces with no knowledge

667
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 2: of how to respect it, which is fair enough.

668
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: That's like me and Sophora. I swear to god, I'm

669
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: just like, get your fucking fingers out of that.

670
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 2: Yeah. Or being on a on a subway like public transportation,

671
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 2: you hold the poll and step away. You don't put

672
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 2: your arm around the pole, not hug it.

673
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 1: I actually the last time we were at I think

674
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: it was Denver Airport where we had to take like

675
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: the tram. I was standing on one side of that pole,

676
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: and like the pole is pretty close to the wall,

677
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: and so I was kind of holding the pole and

678
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: near the wall, and of course there was the rest

679
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: of the train car on the other side, and this

680
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: woman fucking slides behind me where it's just like there

681
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: is no room to like. It was the one of

682
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: the wildest things. I think she just wanted to get

683
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: off really bad, but it was totally crazy. There was

684
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: like maybe that much room.

685
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 2: To get a lot of drinking at the airport.

686
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: Oh that's true. Fucking TGI Friday's baby up top. Okay,

687
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: I'll do it, fine, I'll do it.

688
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: So if Andy and Sullivan's clams are true, then we

689
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,439
Speaker 2: know who took the monolith down, but the question still

690
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 2: remains who built it in the first place. Obviously, the

691
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 2: least serious theory is that the monolith which was genuinely

692
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 2: placed here by there by aliens. But the materials, as

693
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 2: I said, are unremarkable, and you've got to assume that

694
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 2: they've got something. If they're here, they've got better tools

695
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 2: and shit.

696
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: They were like the shy aliens of the group that

697
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: are here where they're like, we want to show them something,

698
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 1: but I don't know, and just like put it over there.

699
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 1: We'll see we'll see it four years later somebody stumbles up.

700
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. It's kind of plain.

701
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 2: The monolith is also hollow, save for an inner frame

702
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 2: made of plywood to help keep its shape, and then

703
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,439
Speaker 2: the outside is just made of aluminum sheet metal held

704
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 2: together by rivets. I don't know, Like I feel like

705
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 2: a bike messenger for some reason would do this.

706
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're yeah, just got a weldy guy.

707
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, a weldy handy prankster, a bike messenger.

708
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: There's a million of them out there, that's right.

709
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: At the same time, and it was the pandemic, so

710
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 2: like they had.

711
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: No no way to express themselves.

712
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 2: At the same time. Some people believe that Andy and

713
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 2: Silvin didn't take down the monolith at all. They believe

714
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 2: an artist built it and then took it down themselves

715
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 2: in like a Banksy style artist who wanted to do

716
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 2: their art anonymously without getting credit on the internet for it.

717
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 2: In today's economy, who among us you didn't want attention

718
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 2: and praise? What then?

719
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: Why would you do it? And we're followers, these are

720
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: this is the reason right this moment. They want us

721
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 1: to ask these questions of ourselves.

722
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fair. So this leads to the question of

723
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 2: who the artist could be. An art dealer from New

724
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 2: York named David Zwerner thought it might be the work

725
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 2: of an artist named John McCracken. McCracken, don't laugh.

726
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: Sorry, go ahead, it's just usually artists have names like

727
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: David Zwerner and shit like that. So McCracken comes along,

728
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:48,760
Speaker 1: it's like, what are you all about.

729
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 2: McCracken is known for building polished metal pieces similar to

730
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 2: the Utah Monolith. He passed away in twenty eleven. Though,

731
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 2: so even though the monolith was placed in the desert

732
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen, McCracken could have theoretically made the sculpture

733
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 2: before twenty and eleven his death.

734
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: No, that's too hard. No, nobody's doing stuff like that.

735
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 2: And someone else could have placed it in the desert afterwards,

736
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 2: Like after he died, he was just like, I still

737
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 2: want to keep fucking rolling, you know, No, you want

738
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 2: to get it while you're alive?

739
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: Is that you're I just don't know that. That sounds insane.

740
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 2: Since his passings, Werner has managed McCracken's estate, so he

741
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 2: knows his work very well, and after taking a closer

742
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 2: look at pictures of the monolith. He actually backtracks and

743
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 2: says he is one hundred percent sure who he isn't

744
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 2: one hundred percent sure who made it.

745
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: So told youa sorry, we're fighting in front of you.

746
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 2: If it wasn't John McCracken. But what I meant to

747
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 2: say was if it was John McCracken, he never said

748
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 2: anything about it to his art d or to his family.

749
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 2: It reminds me of the toy and Bee tiles. Yes,

750
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 2: you guys know what I'm talking about, where there's like

751
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 2: just like random tiles in the middle of the street

752
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 2: that stay out but spell out weird stuff messages.

753
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: All around the world. And the only thing is that

754
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: John McCracken was a famous, known artist. So it's a

755
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: little bit like, yeah, what's the if he if that

756
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: was the plan, Like okay, so listen, I'm gonna make

757
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: this monolith. Yeah, and I'm just it'll it'll just be

758
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: in my in my studio for I don't know, five years. Yeah,

759
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: I will pass as we all must, and then you know,

760
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: four years later, go stick it in a very remote location.

761
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 2: And the person went through with it, even though like

762
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 2: McCracken's not gonna know it didn't happen like that would

763
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 2: be me, the assistant being like, I'm not doing that.

764
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: I want to tell a story right now, so bad way,

765
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: it's gonna take forever. I'm not gonna do it. No, no, no,

766
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 1: it won't be worth it. It's it's one of my boring ones.

767
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 2: And TikTok didn't exist yet, So how could have McCracken

768
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 2: known how famous he would have gotten. That sounded like

769
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 2: it hurt so bad, so bad. Oh my god, oxygen.

770
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 2: You guys don't have oxygen for real. Okay, stop it

771
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 2: just focus. Uh. But McCracken's son, Patrick, who is as

772
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 2: baffled as everyone else, says something interesting. He recalls a

773
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 2: knight when he was with his father in New Mexico

774
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 2: and his pops said, quote we were no sorry, and

775
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 2: he said the son said, quote quote we were standing

776
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 2: outside looking at the stars. And he said something to

777
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 2: the fact of that he would like to leave his

778
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 2: artwork in remote places to be discovered later, like hello, confession.

779
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: They were in a desert.

780
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 2: No, they were in New Mexico, but close close enough.

781
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 2: We don't know. Nobody knows.

782
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: I just like that guy's name is Pat McCracken.

783
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,919
Speaker 2: Okay, So, even though the Utah monoliths creator has yet

784
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 2: to be named, the spectacle inspires copycats around the world.

785
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 2: In December of twenty twenty, another metallic prism shaped monolith

786
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 2: appears on a hillside in Romania, three feet taller than

787
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 2: the one found in Utah. Of course, you guys challenge,

788
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 2: but otherwise it looks exactly the same, and it's not

789
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 2: the only one. Between December twenty twenty and February twenty

790
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 2: twenty one, more monoliths appear all over India, Iran, the Congo, Austria,

791
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 2: all your favorite places, Bolivia, just all over the place, Bolivia,

792
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 2: your favorite all European places, Bolivia. Most people believe it

793
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 2: can't just be one person doing all of this, but

794
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: there are billionaires who are bored. Yes, as we have

795
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 2: learned from this podcast. In some cases, the originators of

796
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 2: these copycats are known, but most of the time, each

797
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 2: artist who installs their respective monolith tries to stay anonymous

798
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 2: to keep the mystery alive, which is cool, and that

799
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 2: is the story of the Utah.

800
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: Monolith amazing, good one. Yeah, that's good. I love that

801
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: you did that, because when that happened, I was like,

802
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: this is fascinating. I want to know what this is.

803
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: And then of course I just kind of never thought

804
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: about it again, right, but I really did want to know.

805
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:26,919
Speaker 2: That's what this podcast is for.

806
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: Hey, hey, what's up? All right now, I'm gonna go

807
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: this is This is not a monolith's story, but it

808
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: is monolithic. Hey what that's improv Tonight, I'm going to

809
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: tell you this story of one of Utah's most legendary

810
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: native sons. To do that, we're going to go back

811
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: to late eighteen hundreds, when the desperadoes of the Old

812
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: West made a living robbing trains and banks. This man

813
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: was a desperado and a criminal through and through. But

814
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: unlike the other legendary outlaws of his day, Jesse James

815
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: or Billy the Kid, this man's remembered a bit differently.

816
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: He was called the Gentleman Bandit because of his reputation

817
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: for keeping his robberies restrained and avoiding needless bloodshed. He's

818
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: been described as witty, polite, and oddly charming, and now

819
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: one hundred years later, his legendary status lives on because

820
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: of the way he lived his life and because of

821
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: the enduring mystery surrounding his death. This is the story

822
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: of Butch Cassidy and the Wild Bunches.

823
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 2: That's your guy, that's their guy. Yes, oh my god.

824
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: So the main sources used in the story today are

825
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: Charles Learson's twenty twenty book From the Monolith Era of

826
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: Butch Cassidy, The True Story of an American Outlaw, and

827
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: a twenty fourteen PBS documentary called American Experience One of

828
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: the Great Shows, Butch Cassidy and the Sun Dance.

829
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 2: Kid, PBS.

830
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: Please please well, do this save PBS. We've got to

831
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: save our national parks.

832
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, all the things, and.

833
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: We've got to save each other. That's the most important one.

834
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: We got him, We got him. But the good news

835
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: is there's more of us than there are of them.

836
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 1: Ladies in gentlemen, don't forget it. Don't forget it as

837
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 1: you doom scroll. Don't forget it.

838
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 2: Okay, please focus. Sorry, trying to do a peace political

839
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 2: like I'm good, but I'm definitely gonna turn this on

840
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 2: care in mind. Okay.

841
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: This begins in April of eighteen sixty six, when a

842
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: baby named Robert Leroy Parker is born two hundred miles

843
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: south of here in Beaver, Utah your favorite city.

844
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 2: I don't know why, but the phrase a baby name

845
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 2: like a baby named this was born, looks like we

846
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 2: knew he was a baby, like this guy was born.

847
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 1: Came out with the names into his A grown man

848
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: grows now, came out holding a little ida. It's me

849
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: Robert Lee Roy Parker. So it was actually long ago

850
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: enough that Utah was not yet a state, so technically

851
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: it we're in the Utah territory when this takes place.

852
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: Robert's family has lived in the Utah Territory since the

853
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: eighteen fifties, when both sets of his grandparents emigrated from

854
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 1: Great Britain after converting to Mormonism. So he was Robert

855
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: was born into a very cheer You can cheer for Mormonism,

856
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: absolutely you get too, or yeah, express yourself however you

857
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 1: want about Mormonism. Why not have a let's have a

858
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: moment of just making noises about Mormonism.

859
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 2: And you know the person sitting next to you believe

860
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 2: something completely different than you. That's important.

861
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: Right now, rub elbows with that person.

862
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 2: It'll be fun, and tell them why they're wrong.

863
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: It ends tonight, ladies and gentlemen, It ends tonight. Okay,

864
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:15,240
Speaker 1: so obviously, baby Robert is born into a very religious

865
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: LDS family and he is the oldest of thirteen year

866
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: old children. Sorry, of thirteen children, that's.

867
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 2: A lot of thirteen year olds.

868
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: So irritated. When you look up from the page and

869
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,280
Speaker 1: you're like, I'm really going and telling the story now,

870
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 1: it's like, no, you're not, you're not. So around eighteen eighty,

871
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: when Robert's thirteen years old, his family moves onto a

872
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 1: small homestead in Circleville, Utah. Right, so circular. His dad

873
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: is away from months at a time looking for, you know,

874
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: good paying work. So by the time he is in

875
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,720
Speaker 1: his early teens, Robert is essentially the man of the house,

876
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: and like his father, he works incredibly hard to provide

877
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: for his family, mostly by hand handling horses and cattle.

878
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: Is a ranch hand nearby, and it all comes very

879
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: naturally to him. He's often described as an animal lover,

880
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: and he's particularly fond of horses. And when he does

881
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: that work, he's taken under the wing of a cowboy

882
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 1: named Mike Cassidy, and Cassidy teaches Robert how to handle cattle,

883
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: ride horses, shoot guns, and skim livestock from big herds

884
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: without anyone noticing.

885
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 2: That's right, join that.

886
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little cattle shoplifting. Just take these three home,

887
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: No big deal. This is called cattle rustling, and it

888
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: is illegal. But Robert idolizes Mike, who couldn't be more

889
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: different than the straight laced, very religious family that Robert's

890
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,959
Speaker 1: grown up in. By the time Robert is eighteen years old,

891
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: his mentor, Mike Cassidy, has skipped town, probably because he's

892
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 1: gotten into some kind of trouble with the cows that

893
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: he keeps stealing. But and it doesn't seem like the

894
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: two ever cross paths again. But it's clear that Mike

895
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: Cassidy has made a huge impression on his young protege.

896
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 1: So when he turns eighteen, which is in the mid

897
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: eighteen eighties, Robert leaves his family in Utah and he

898
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: sets his sights what he sets his size.

899
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 2: On.

900
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: Tell your ride, Colorado. They're lukewarm about it, yeah, and

901
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 1: they don't really care. They're trying to be supportive. At

902
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: the time, it's a booming mining town with tons of

903
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: money making opportunities, and Robert soon gets a job hauling

904
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: or down mountain sides. It is brutal work, but he's

905
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: able to find that work life balance balance intell. He

906
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:51,240
Speaker 1: rides many saloons, brothels and dance and with dancing girls.

907
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. You work hard all day

908
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: long and then you just get fucked up.

909
00:51:58,239 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 2: Cata mean.

910
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 1: So for a young man raised in a very religious

911
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 1: household living in this town, must have been so excited.

912
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: Just like he's hauling a one hundred pounds on his

913
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: back and he's like, I can't wait to get to

914
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 1: the brothel tonight. No one can stop me. So one

915
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,879
Speaker 1: thing seems undisputed about Robert. He is roundly remembered as

916
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 1: charming and funny, with a warm personality. The people of

917
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 1: Telly Ride remember him playing the harmonica, horsing around with

918
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: little kids, and going to the Friday night dances to

919
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: chat up all the young women who are drawn in

920
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: by his good looks and his sense of humor. Oh

921
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: can we see that first picture of him?

922
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 3: Oh?

923
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:48,879
Speaker 2: Oh hello, uh huh.

924
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 1: It's a pretty solid kerchief there. He's going to take

925
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 1: care of it, don't worry about it.

926
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got it. He's got it. He's going to

927
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 2: take going anywhere, Not on his watch. Do they have watches?

928
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 2: Not on his time Piece.

929
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: Author Charles Leerson reports Robert was quote square jawed and

930
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:18,280
Speaker 1: sandy haired, good looking, yet not so beautiful as to insight,

931
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 1: ridicule or jealousy.

932
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 2: God like, we think these standards today are rough.

933
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: Yep, you had to be just under beautiful. The other

934
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: cowboys would be jealous of you. He always seemed to

935
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: possess from birth a set of standards below which he

936
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: believed a gentleman should never sink. Served a meal of

937
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: jack rabbit at a backcountry in one evening, he quietly

938
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: rose from the table, rode a short way off, and

939
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 1: shot a cow so that everyone in the place could

940
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: have steak. I he's just like, mm hmm, I'll take

941
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: care of that.

942
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 2: I got it, and the cook like you just brought

943
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 2: me an entire cow. Oh do you fucking understand?

944
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: I made you jack rabbit? You son of a bitch? Okay, Oh,

945
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: we're still in the quote. Generosity was his strong suit.

946
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: End quote cool. All that's to say, Robert is the

947
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 1: kind of guy who makes friends very easily. On a

948
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: trip to Colorado, he meets two cattle rustlers named Matt

949
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,720
Speaker 1: Warner and Tom McCarthy. They all become friends right away.

950
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 1: And Robert is still a pretty innocent guy at this point,

951
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: so it must have been a surprise when it's two

952
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 1: new besties casually decide that they're gonna rob a bank.

953
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: Oh so, it's June of eighteen eighty nine and twenty

954
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: three year old Robert walks through the front doors of

955
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: Telly Ride's San Miguel Valley Bank, with Matt at his

956
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: side and Tom keeping watch outside. Matt holds a gun

957
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: on the teller while Robert collects the lute in what

958
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: will later become a hallmark of his hold ups. No

959
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: one injured in this event. Now, Robert is more than

960
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:06,320
Speaker 1: okay using guns during these jobs, mostly just to intimidate

961
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: people into giving him what he wants, but he does

962
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: not like flashy gunplay or needless bloodshed. Still, even as

963
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: he does his best to keep everyone at the bank

964
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 1: calm by assuring them that they are not in danger. Shotgun, shotgun, shotgun,

965
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: don't what's stop it, You're fine, people start screaming and

966
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:26,439
Speaker 1: rushing out of the bank.

967
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll do that, right, So local.

968
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: Deputies and even a few miners rush to respond. None

969
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 1: of them are trained to handle a fast moving armed robbery, though,

970
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: so before anyone can stop them, the trio of men

971
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 1: make off with about twenty thousand dollars, which in today's

972
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: money this is eighteen eighty nine.

973
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,720
Speaker 2: I just I hate this. Yeah, I'm gonna be wrong.

974
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 2: It's gonna be disappointing. Are you ready, We're.

975
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: Just working it out. It's fine to be wrong. Twenty

976
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 1: two thousand, twenty thousand in eighteen eighty nine.

977
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 2: In today's money would be three hundred and twenty six

978
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 2: seven hundred thousand dollars, not even close.

979
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: I won't stop making her do it. It's so mean.

980
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,399
Speaker 1: So when Robert and Matt rush out of the bank

981
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: with the loot, they reunite with Tom, they mount their horses,

982
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: and they ride away as fast as they can, out

983
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 1: of town into the unforgiving, rugged Western landscape. Robert is

984
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: emerging as the clear leader of this trio now, with

985
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: Matt later saying quote, he had the brains of a

986
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: man twice his age. You could get lost in the

987
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: mountains and he would always know the weight, or he

988
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: would always know the way, or find a clever way

989
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: out of a tight spot. Hot right.

990
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

991
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 1: And it also says here and his kerchief was tight,

992
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 1: so tight around his neck just up real high and tight.

993
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,240
Speaker 1: One example of the brains at work is Robert's idea

994
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,879
Speaker 1: that will become one of his signature moves when they

995
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: do these robberies, stashing a new team of horses at

996
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: a designated spot along the getaway trail. That way they

997
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 1: swap out their original horses who were exhausted in the

998
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 1: initial getaway, and these fresh horses make it okay, make

999
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: it Robert and his accomplices able to get away, make

1000
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: finding them nearly impossible.

1001
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 2: Like a relay for horses, got it?

1002
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: And also the people, Oh, that's right. The rest of

1003
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: the paragraph is down here to catch because if any

1004
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: Tellyride lawmen are on their tail, their horses would be

1005
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 1: exhausted at that point, but they don't have any replacements.

1006
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 2: That's fucking smart, right, Yeah.

1007
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: It is hot. So Robert, Matt, and Tom fly down

1008
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: the trail toward a rugged, remote valley called Brown's Park,

1009
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: and that's at the intersection of Utah, Wyoming and Colorado.

1010
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: I knew that, right, You've been to that intersection many

1011
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: a time. It's a very remote stretch of land that

1012
00:57:56,360 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 1: the PBS series describes as quote nothing but sagebrush wild horses,

1013
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: and Rattlesnakes cool right, yeah, your three favorites. Fortunately, Robert

1014
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: is such a good writer that he's able to easily

1015
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 1: and confidently lead the others through this treacherous terrain. And

1016
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: at this point they've completely evaded the law. So in

1017
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: Browns Park they split up and go their separate ways,

1018
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: each with a fat stack of cash in their pockets,

1019
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: and this ingenious plan becomes the habit for Robert after

1020
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: these hold ups, making it even harder for the authorities

1021
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: to track them down. So they always get to a spot,

1022
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: split the cash, and it's like buy everybody. So now

1023
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: Robert has one big robbery under his belt, and compared

1024
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:42,959
Speaker 1: to the backbreaking, low paying labor that he's been having

1025
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: to do and teleride, the high risk, high reward lifestyle

1026
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: of a bank robber really is appealing to him. But

1027
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: he isn't totally sold on the outlaw lifestyle. Maybe it's

1028
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: his ingrained Mormonism, but for the rest of his life

1029
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 1: that wasn't sarcastic. I was trying to he has, I'm saying,

1030
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: as an ethical structure.

1031
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 2: An ethical bank robber.

1032
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:09,959
Speaker 1: Yes, that's why he's so cute. He's bad and good,

1033
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: but for the rest of his life, he will bounce

1034
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 1: back and forth between the criminal world and legitimacy. So,

1035
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: while he is a wanted man in Colorado, he decides

1036
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 1: to seek out honest work in Wyoming. I think we do.

1037
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: We have, Oh, Wyoming's in the house, insane. I thought,

1038
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: I truly thought no one lived there for real. Thank

1039
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: you for coming. That's nice. It's nothing else going on, right,

1040
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 1: just like, let's go over there. But to do this

1041
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 1: honest work in Wyoming. But to do this, he'll have

1042
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 1: to assume a new identity. And this is when Robert

1043
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 1: Leroy Parker borrows Cassidy from his old old mentor, Mike Cassidy, and,

1044
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 1: according to the lore, after a short stint working in

1045
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: a Wyoming butcher shop, he picks up the nickname Butch. Therefore,

1046
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 1: Butch Cassidy is born.

1047
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 2: So I mean, did he nickname himself?

1048
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: He's like, call me Butch, and everyone else in the

1049
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 1: butcher shops like no, no, you just started working here.

1050
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 2: Okay.

1051
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 1: So from this point on, Butch is doing what Butch

1052
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 1: does best, which is working with horses while charming and

1053
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 1: befriending everyone he meets. And this includes a twenty year

1054
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: old ranch hand named Elsie Lay. He's only a few

1055
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 1: years younger than Butch, and the two will remain close friends.

1056
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: At this point, Butch is still trying to live this

1057
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 1: straight and narrow life, but before long he goes back

1058
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 1: to stealing livestock. So why don't you get a taste

1059
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: of stealing a cow? It is fucking impossible not to

1060
01:00:55,080 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: do it again. They're so dumb. Then in eighteen ninety four,

1061
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: when he's in his late twenties, he's caught and handed

1062
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 1: two years hard labor in a Wyoming prison. Here's the

1063
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 1: mug shot.

1064
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 2: Oh all right, let's see, just a little couple of

1065
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 2: units on the forehead would raise those brows up, the

1066
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 2: little you know what I'm saying, You hear it up?

1067
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 2: This is where I'd raise it up. And then if

1068
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 2: you put it a little in those you could just

1069
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 2: soften those that jawline a.

1070
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 1: Series TMJ issue.

1071
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 2: We get a little botox, right, little talks, little talks

1072
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 2: right there, a couple of units. Not.

1073
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he kind of looks like and it's

1074
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 1: not supposed to be an insult a lost Kelsey brother, doesn't.

1075
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 2: He a little bit? Yeah?

1076
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the younger one that can't hold a job

1077
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 1: down ever.

1078
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the one. Yeah, he's like not going to

1079
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 2: be in the wedding. Yeah, you know, he's like, like,

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01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 2: you'll be in the audience.

1081
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: But we're invited, Rusty, you're invited. It's just we're going

1082
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 1: to put you at table thirty eight.

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01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody give him a microphone.

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01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 1: I remember when these two noted eighty no no, no,

1085
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 1: no no. That'd be a funny podcast of people re

1086
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 1: enacting the worst speeches they've heard at weddings.

1087
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 2: Trademarked trademark.

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01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 1: That's all right, idea exact coming and coming, don't you dare.

1089
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 2: Coming to exactly right.

1090
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 1: Poor man's podcast trademark right there. Okay, So, because he

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01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: is Butch Cassidy, he's paroled six months early for being

1092
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 1: a model prisoner. The world loves this man. And then

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01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 1: he heads back to Brown's Park. He reconnects with his

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01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 1: old buddy, Elsie, and when he gets there, he sees

1095
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 1: that this remote area has now become a refuge for drifters, outlaws,

1096
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 1: and desperadoes, and of course Butch befriends all of them,

1097
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 1: guys like Ben Tall, Texan Kilpatrick, no relation, George Flatnose, Curry,

1098
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 1: No Harvey Kid Curry logan not to be mistake for

1099
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 1: George flat nose Curry. And of course the outlaws sisters

1100
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:10,479
Speaker 1: Anne and Josie Bassett cool right, I call those guys

1101
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 1: for a future story. Don't don't you dare? Wow? Josie

1102
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 1: would later describe Butch as quote the most dashing and

1103
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 1: handsome man I have ever seen. Butch becomes the epicenter

1104
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 1: of this loose network of a dozen or so thieves

1105
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 1: who drift in and out of Brown's Park and other

1106
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 1: notorious hideaways like Wyom Wing's Hole in the Wall. That's right,

1107
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 1: the manager of Hole in the Wall is here tonight,

1108
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Dan Storing.

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01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 2: He called in sick today. Don't give them away.

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01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 1: Shit, we'll edit that part out. Don't worry you, you

1111
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 1: got you covered.

1112
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 2: Remember the chick went to the Taylor's Wi concert with

1113
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 2: a blanket over her head because she called in sick

1114
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 2: to go and they interviewed her, and she did. She

1115
01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 2: didn't want her coworkers and boss finding out.

1116
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: Remember that couple that was cheating on their husbands and

1117
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 1: wives and called Plank concert.

1118
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 2: They should have got a fucking blanking on their God, don.

1119
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 1: They just needed a blanket for their makeout. So this

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01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 1: group of people isn't a formal gang. There's no rules.

1121
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 1: Most of them don't share Butch's code of non violence.

1122
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 1: In particular, Kid Curry is notoriously brutal. He is known

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01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 1: to go out of his way to shoot people during holdups,

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01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 1: particularly law men. So this is a very we'll call

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01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 1: fluid group. That was Maren's word. Very fluid group, with

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01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 1: people constantly coming and going. But every so often, when

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01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 1: they find themselves in Butcher's orbit, they team up with

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01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:44,920
Speaker 1: him for a job or two. They see Butch as

1129
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 1: a smart, fair and intentional leader who organizes clean jobs.

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01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 1: So Butch and this rotating cast of accomplices soon become

1131
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 1: known as Butch Cassidy and the Wild Bunch. And oh wait, sorry,

1132
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:00,959
Speaker 1: it's too early for the picture. Don't give it away.

1133
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 1: I fucking truly do love with Steve Harvey like and

1134
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 1: here it is.

1135
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 2: I love a throw to.

1136
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 1: Let's take a look, take a look, let's let's see

1137
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 1: what if you're powerful feeling?

1138
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 2: Yeah it is.

1139
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 1: So the Wild Bunch is first big We can't talk now.

1140
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 1: I'm trying to tell this fucky story. Been out here

1141
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 1: for two hours. The Wild Bunch's first big headline making

1142
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 1: robbery comes in April of eighteen ninety seven in castle Gate, Utah,

1143
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 1: which is now a ghost town.

1144
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 2: Sorry that, Oh you're lying unless you're a ghost.

1145
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 1: Yes, we have to have you do a hometown. So

1146
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 1: back then castle Gate was a thriving mining town, or

1147
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 1: it had a thriving mine. And Butch knows that payroll

1148
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 1: gets delivered every two weeks by wagon in big bags

1149
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 1: by deliverymen on set schedules. And the story goes that

1150
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:58,439
Speaker 1: Butch an Elsie confront the mind's paymaster. It's the guy

1151
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 1: in charge of paying everyone. They stick the barrel of

1152
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 1: a gun into his belly and they make off with

1153
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 1: the mine's entire payroll in broad daylight. And historians disagree

1154
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 1: on how much is taken, but it's reported to be

1155
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 1: as much as eight thousand dollars, which in today's money

1156
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 1: would be worth more than.

1157
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 2: One hundred and twenty seven thousand dollars.

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01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 1: Two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

1159
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 2: We were both wrong. I heard you. If we were wrong,

1160
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 2: this isn't prices.

1161
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 1: Right, no help from the it's really but it's hard

1162
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 1: not to guess because you're just like I can do

1163
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 1: this crazy backwards math.

1164
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:38,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you remember ten fucking years and I've gotten

1165
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 2: it right once. Yeah. No, okay.

1166
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 1: So, as the duo rushes out with the loot, Elsie's

1167
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 1: getaway horse breaks loose and dashes off into a crowd

1168
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 1: of miners who have already gathered to collect their pay.

1169
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 1: So they've just stolen it. Now they're trying to get away,

1170
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 1: and the guys whose money it is are like, hold

1171
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 1: on a second one, what's going on here? Yeah? So,

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01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 1: according to writer Charles Learson, Butch then so basically, Elsie's

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01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 1: getaway horse is gone, so he so Butch jumps off

1174
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 1: his own horse so that Elsie can get on his horse,

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01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 1: and he then runs and basically, Learson says, quote what

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01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 1: happened next resembled an equestrian stunt that you might see

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01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 1: in Buffalo Bill's Wild West show. Butch an all out sprint,

1178
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 1: swung deftly abroad the running horse. Then as four or

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01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 1: five riflemen fired at them from a roof of the

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01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 1: from the roof of the mine, the roof of the mine,

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01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 1: that's the ground, right.

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01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 2: I'm no expert.

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01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 1: I will not try to contradict Charles Learson, who is

1184
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 1: literally an expert on this topic. Still in the quote,

1185
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 1: the two amigos disappeared into a cloud of dust, so

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01:07:57,480 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 1: kind of like what you were just what was the

1187
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 1: kind of rope stuff you were talking about earlier?

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01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 2: Slack lining? I think he.

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01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 1: Slack lined up onto this horse and got away.

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01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:09,960
Speaker 2: Definitely right, and from then on it was the truth.

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01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 1: Next, they swap horse. They swap their horses out for

1192
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 1: a fresh team that has been placed along the getaway trail.

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01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 1: They take off for their chosen hideaway, which is Robbers.

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01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:24,519
Speaker 2: Roost, which call it something else, like I know, it's

1195
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:25,479
Speaker 2: like kind of a giveaway.

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01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 1: We're gonna go hide in. All the dishonest guys are

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01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:32,760
Speaker 1: over here? Where'd Roberts Rusts go? Because I had that

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01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 1: here it is Robbers Roost here in Utah. Sorry, I

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Speaker 1: just wanted to.

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Speaker 2: Be you guys wanted to see a live podcast. Yeah,

1201
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:42,280
Speaker 2: so you're seeing a live podcast.

1202
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 1: This is everything that gets edited for the regular show. Yeah, okay,

1203
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 1: m m m mmmmmm. There it is. I got it.

1204
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 1: When they arrived, they split up. They go their separate

1205
01:08:57,280 --> 01:09:00,599
Speaker 1: ways until the heat from this robbery dies down. And

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01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 1: this is another thing that different differentiates bush Cat Why

1207
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 1: bush Canson is a kid my favorite robber, number one

1208
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 1: robber bush Kess thank you, I thank you, I thank you,

1209
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:23,680
Speaker 1: and drunk Karen thanks.

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01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 2: You too, wherever she may be.

1211
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 1: So Butch doesn't. Basically, he doesn't pull off robberies very often. Instead,

1212
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 1: he puts together a job and he's and then he'll

1213
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 1: do it and then go back to like a year

1214
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 1: of normal work and just living legitimately before getting the

1215
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 1: gang back together and then doing another robbery. And his

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01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 1: robberies should make him a rich man, especially in the

1217
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 1: Old West where living is probably relatively cheap. But again,

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01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 1: Charles Larson writes, the Butch pro probably had a pretty

1219
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 1: bad gambling habit, because it's hard to imagine any other

1220
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 1: way he could lose thousands of dollars over the course

1221
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:07,679
Speaker 1: of several months.

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01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 2: Shit, yeah, all right, and he's not very good at

1223
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:13,680
Speaker 2: card games too.

1224
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:18,120
Speaker 1: He's like, maybe I'll get good this time one thousand dollars.

1225
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 1: So in eighteen ninety nine, which is two years after

1226
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 1: the mine heist, Butch's dear friend Elsie, is involved in

1227
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:28,759
Speaker 1: a bloody botched train robbery that ends in his arrest

1228
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 1: in fulsome New Mexico. So with Butch's right hand. Really, so,

1229
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 1: with Butcher's right hand man now in prison, a spot

1230
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 1: opens up for a new outlaw to take his place.

1231
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what happens when Butch meets Harry Alonso Langaba,

1232
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 1: aka the Sundance Kid. No, he was also nicknamed just Sundance,

1233
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:55,879
Speaker 1: and it was because he served a prison stint in Sundance, Wyoming.

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01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:57,679
Speaker 1: That's when he's seamed after.

1235
01:10:57,560 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 2: So how many people are named that? Then?

1236
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 1: Just him, just him. He was the best one there.

1237
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 1: He just kicked ass at being in prison in Wyoming.

1238
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 1: He was literally the only one there. So Harry's in

1239
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 1: his early thirties, about the same age as Butch, and

1240
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:17,680
Speaker 1: he's known to be calm under pressure, a very patient sharpshooter,

1241
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 1: and someone whose steady nerves balance out Butch's quick mind.

1242
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 1: So with Butch still acting as the ringleader and sun

1243
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 1: Dance now at his side, the Wild Bunch carry out

1244
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:31,840
Speaker 1: a string of robberies across Utah, Wyoming and Idaho. And

1245
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:35,280
Speaker 1: we have a picture of the Wild Bunch, so hi,

1246
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 1: here they are.

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01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 2: Oh that's cute.

1248
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:42,799
Speaker 1: So left to right sitting we've got that's the Sundance

1249
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:44,800
Speaker 1: Kid on the left with the mustache that looks like

1250
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 1: Vince abral and then the tall Texan is in the middle,

1251
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 1: and then that's Butch Cassidy on the right, sited seated sorry,

1252
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:58,720
Speaker 1: and then standing back there, we've got Will Carver and

1253
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 1: that's the vicious. It's not Harry Shearer from spinal tap,

1254
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:05,639
Speaker 1: that's the vicious kid Curry back there.

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01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 2: What a fine bunch.

1256
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:10,719
Speaker 1: Look at them. They're like, you know what, let's stop

1257
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 1: robbing people and take a gorgeous.

1258
01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 2: Photo of ourselves. Let's get chairs from all eras and

1259
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 2: put them in the photo and sit on them.

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01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:23,760
Speaker 1: Do you have anything clawfoot? No, we have rittan Oh wait,

1261
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 1: we do have a claw foot hold on. Thank you

1262
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 1: the Utah State Historical Society, whose all rights are reserved

1263
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 1: on this incredible history. Where am I now? Okay? So,

1264
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:47,639
Speaker 1: their most famous robbery comes in June of eighteen ninety nine,

1265
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 1: when they target a Union Pacific train as it passes

1266
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 1: through Wilcox, Wyoming, which is not far from their hole

1267
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 1: in the wall hideout. Butch carefully plots out this stick up,

1268
01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 1: studying train schedules and cargo loads to figure out just

1269
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 1: when the next payroll shipment will be he targets the

1270
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 1: Union Pacific's Overland Flyer, a passenger train also carrying mail

1271
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 1: and express shipments, including Wills Fargo strong boxes full of

1272
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 1: cash and valuables. So in the middle of the night,

1273
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 1: it's around two fifteen am on June second, eighteen ninety nine,

1274
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 1: the Wild Bunch flags down this train by waving a

1275
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 1: red lantern, which is the sign to an engineer that

1276
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 1: there's trouble ahead. When the train brands to a halt,

1277
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 1: the train crew are ambushed and ordered off the train

1278
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 1: at gunpoint, and Butch and his gang climb aboard. Frightened

1279
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 1: passengers offer up any valuables that they have on them,

1280
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 1: but according to legend, Butch Cassidy refuses to take anything

1281
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 1: from these people. He just wants the bank's money. Sure,

1282
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:54,080
Speaker 1: it's so good. From here, they detach the express car

1283
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:56,439
Speaker 1: where the safe is kept, and they move it up

1284
01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:58,480
Speaker 1: the tracks away from the passenger.

1285
01:13:58,120 --> 01:13:59,400
Speaker 2: Car, sell the train car.

1286
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:02,360
Speaker 1: They're like, this is where all the money is, but

1287
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:04,639
Speaker 1: no one can carry this safe, so let's just get

1288
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 1: it over here. So basically they do that so that

1289
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 1: no brave passengers will try to interfere and maybe to

1290
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:16,640
Speaker 1: keep them safe, because then the gang ignites dynamite to

1291
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:19,920
Speaker 1: blow the safe open, but the explosion turns out to

1292
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 1: be so powerful that it not only destroys most of

1293
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 1: the train car, it blows the safe open and money

1294
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:29,599
Speaker 1: flies everywhere. Oh man, and we do have a still

1295
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 1: of the train car. Oh shit, boom.

1296
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, someone got a little happy with whatever dynamite is

1297
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:37,600
Speaker 2: made out of.

1298
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:40,720
Speaker 1: That's right. They're like, we just put one, put two

1299
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 1: in just in case, put you in. But what I

1300
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:48,559
Speaker 1: love is that was one of the early versions of

1301
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 1: the money grab machine.

1302
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

1303
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:54,400
Speaker 1: If you're on that train and you're like, look at

1304
01:14:54,439 --> 01:15:02,599
Speaker 1: all these crazy bills. M okay. Anyway, the gang gets

1305
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:06,559
Speaker 1: away with somewhere between sorry, thirty and fifty thousand dollars,

1306
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 1: which three hundred one to two million dollars today. Is

1307
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 1: it a huge amount of money? So, as you know,

1308
01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:19,840
Speaker 1: we always search the Gmail in case somebody murdy Reno

1309
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:22,800
Speaker 1: has any kind of a connection to a story like this.

1310
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 1: Are you here tonight or that's the that's that mouse

1311
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 1: that keeps running through this. Say your name.

1312
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 3: Vicki, Nicki, Niki, Niki, Vicky or Mickey great?

1313
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:54,040
Speaker 1: You know what Vicky, Mickey, Mickey. This one's on me,

1314
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:58,640
Speaker 1: I should have never started it. Here's the email we

1315
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 1: found it says it's a little long, but it's worth that.

1316
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 1: It says, Hi, everyone, I never thought that I would

1317
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 1: have a good story to share with you. That was

1318
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 1: until just recently when my mom decided to spill the

1319
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 1: tea on some family secrets. To preface, I was born

1320
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 1: and raised in Utah as a member of the Church

1321
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:15,559
Speaker 1: of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints, and then in

1322
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:20,280
Speaker 1: parentheses it says the Mormon Church, thanks so much. And

1323
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 1: my family history is the very stereotypical Utah Mormon saga

1324
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:28,320
Speaker 1: where our ancestors, after having left Europe also had to

1325
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:30,599
Speaker 1: flee from New York to the West because they were

1326
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:33,760
Speaker 1: persecuted for their beliefs and definitely not because they were

1327
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 1: polygamists who were trying to marry everyone's daughters. Thank you,

1328
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:49,799
Speaker 1: thank you for clarifying. Okay, anyways, if that wasn't already

1329
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 1: some crazy family history, that was only true for three

1330
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:57,560
Speaker 1: quarters of my great grandparents, because my paternal great grandfather

1331
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:00,760
Speaker 1: is half Native American from the Shoshone tri Vibe. As

1332
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:02,920
Speaker 1: it turns out, his father was one of the og

1333
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 1: Mormon colonizers who apparently was real tight with Joseph Smith

1334
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:10,640
Speaker 1: and was also a polagamist at some point during the

1335
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 1: colonization of Utah. Great grand my great great grandfather, and

1336
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 1: then it says, in quotes found two Native children, a

1337
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 1: boy and a girl, abandoned on the side of the road,

1338
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 1: rescued them again it quotes too many quotes. Yeah, and

1339
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 1: naturally decided to take the girl as one of his wives. Oh,

1340
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 1: this was the story I was told. However, now that

1341
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 1: I'm older, it seems like there are some parts that

1342
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 1: were sugarcoated to cover up what really happened between colonizers

1343
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:45,760
Speaker 1: and Native American tribes. Anyways, this is when my mom

1344
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 1: decided to tell me that there's a little more to

1345
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:52,040
Speaker 1: this story, because I guess if you were already living

1346
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 1: your life on the outside of the law, you might

1347
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:56,760
Speaker 1: as well go one hundred percent and be a safe

1348
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:58,639
Speaker 1: house for Butch Cassidy and is gang.

1349
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:00,880
Speaker 2: That's right.

1350
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:04,080
Speaker 1: Apparently my great great grandfather was one of Butch Cassidy's

1351
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 1: alliances in Utah and would provide him a safe hideaway

1352
01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:10,559
Speaker 1: whenever he was in town. I mean, if you already

1353
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 1: know that the law is not on your side from

1354
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:14,919
Speaker 1: all the polygamy stuff. Why not take a hefty payout

1355
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:17,680
Speaker 1: of stolen gold bars from one of the most notorious

1356
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:20,640
Speaker 1: bank robbers of the wild Wild West and hide them

1357
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:23,559
Speaker 1: in your household whenever they decide to rob the next

1358
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 1: town over. So this her great great grandfather stashed the

1359
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 1: loot for that. Yeah, yeah, we really don't talk about

1360
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 1: Grandpa's history in our family. I always thought that it

1361
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 1: was because a lot of people in Utah would not

1362
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:40,920
Speaker 1: be receptive to a biracial illegal marriage. But no, it's

1363
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 1: because I have a family history that someone could make

1364
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 1: a movie about. In fact, they did. It's called Butch

1365
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 1: Cassidy and the Sundians. Kid, Stay sexy, And if you

1366
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 1: ever decide to rob a bank via old fashioned steam engine,

1367
01:18:54,320 --> 01:19:00,760
Speaker 1: know that the Mormons got your back. Sincerely, Mikhayei La Right,

1368
01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:09,759
Speaker 1: so good, so good. Okay. So after this train robbery,

1369
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:13,400
Speaker 1: of course, both Union Pacific and Wells Fargo r I rate.

1370
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:17,600
Speaker 1: They dispatch countless lawmen and private detectives like the Pinkertons

1371
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:20,559
Speaker 1: throughout the West to hunt down Butch Cassidy and the

1372
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:24,920
Speaker 1: wild Bunch. And we've got a wanted poster here, that's

1373
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:30,120
Speaker 1: Sundance up on top. And it says Camilla Hanks underneath

1374
01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:37,880
Speaker 1: this picture, that's Tom Hanks's aunt, his great aunt twice removed.

1375
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:42,479
Speaker 2: Okay, not an effective wanted poster, I would think, Nope,

1376
01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:44,479
Speaker 2: too tiny, the writing's too right.

1377
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:47,480
Speaker 1: Up there with your weird little glasses, your old West glasses,

1378
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:52,160
Speaker 1: your monocle, just the one for your one eye. Gang

1379
01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:55,680
Speaker 1: members like the sadistic kid Curry are soon caught. But

1380
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 1: Butch and Sundance use their charm and manners to evade authorities.

1381
01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:02,320
Speaker 1: They're clean, shape, well dressed, and exceedingly polite, and they

1382
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:05,960
Speaker 1: wear this likability as their armor. Butch and Sundance roll

1383
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:08,880
Speaker 1: into towns where wanted posters with their faces on them

1384
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 1: are plastered on walls and windows, yet they are not captured.

1385
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:15,800
Speaker 1: Sometimes locals even feed and house the duo, or even

1386
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:19,680
Speaker 1: help them evade the law by misleading officers. Everyone's in

1387
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:20,479
Speaker 1: on this with them.

1388
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:22,880
Speaker 2: He went that away, he went that away.

1389
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:27,680
Speaker 1: After a while, it's clear that if they stay in

1390
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:31,439
Speaker 1: the States, they'll be on the run forever. So Butch

1391
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 1: and Sundance decide it's time to head south. In nineteen

1392
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 1: oh one, when they're both in their mid thirties, they

1393
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:41,600
Speaker 1: set sail to South America, eventually landing in southern Argentina.

1394
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 1: Sundance has a girlfriend named Eda Place, who comes with them.

1395
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:47,679
Speaker 1: The three of them move on to a ranch under

1396
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:50,479
Speaker 1: fake names, and they raise cattle and horses, and by

1397
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:53,120
Speaker 1: all accounts, they live a very quiet life and they're

1398
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:59,040
Speaker 1: well liked by their neighbors everywhere they go. They live

1399
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 1: together for a few years as Butch once again tries

1400
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:05,000
Speaker 1: to earn his living by honest means. Then around nineteen

1401
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:07,720
Speaker 1: oh five, it all changes. We don't know exactly what

1402
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:10,120
Speaker 1: happens with Eda or where she winds up, but we

1403
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:12,960
Speaker 1: do know that Butch and Sundance sell the ranch and

1404
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 1: return once again to their outlaw ways. One last job,

1405
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 1: they rob banks and trains in Argentina and Chile, and

1406
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:24,480
Speaker 1: when they draw too much heat, they head to Bolivia.

1407
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:25,760
Speaker 2: Oh what what, Tuck?

1408
01:21:27,479 --> 01:21:29,200
Speaker 1: That's weird ding ding ding ding.

1409
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:31,280
Speaker 2: Because there were there were a bunch of places I

1410
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:34,360
Speaker 2: didn't name in that list, and I just hit Bolivia

1411
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:35,240
Speaker 2: just for the hell of it.

1412
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:41,280
Speaker 1: Remember Bolivia for later. We don't know why either. In

1413
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:44,040
Speaker 1: November of nineteen oh eight, Butch and Sundance hold up

1414
01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:48,440
Speaker 1: a courier transporting payroll to a mine in San Vincente, Bolivia.

1415
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:51,879
Speaker 1: Sorry A few days later, Bolivian soldiers and police surround

1416
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 1: the two men in a small house and a gunfight

1417
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:58,920
Speaker 1: breaks out that lasts four hours. Then, around two am,

1418
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:02,559
Speaker 1: witnesses say that the shooting stops and a final burst

1419
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:06,920
Speaker 1: of gunfire comes as two rogue shots are heard. Inside

1420
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:09,960
Speaker 1: the house, two men said to be Butch and Sundance

1421
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:12,920
Speaker 1: are found shot to death inside. They are both around

1422
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:16,680
Speaker 1: forty years old. The official Bolivian report suggests that Sundance

1423
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 1: was so badly wounded in this shootout that Butch shot

1424
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:22,240
Speaker 1: him in a mercy killing and then turned the gun

1425
01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:26,760
Speaker 1: on himself. But the thing is, the two men killed

1426
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:30,640
Speaker 1: in Bolivia that day have never been conclusively identified, not

1427
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:35,280
Speaker 1: in photos, fingerprints, or by family members identifying them, and

1428
01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:38,880
Speaker 1: that's kept historians debating for a century whether or not

1429
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:42,439
Speaker 1: these men truly were Butch and Sundance. Their bodies are

1430
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:45,600
Speaker 1: said to be buried together. Those bodies are said to

1431
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:50,480
Speaker 1: be buried together in an unmarked grave, But several descendants

1432
01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 1: of Butch Cassidy have claimed that years after this shootout,

1433
01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 1: Butch came back to Utah and or Wyoming and lived

1434
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:02,439
Speaker 1: discreetly under aliases. Stories say the Butch even visited relatives

1435
01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:05,880
Speaker 1: in the nineteen twenties and thirties telling tales of South America,

1436
01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:10,160
Speaker 1: never fooling it fully admitting his past crimes. Some claim

1437
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:12,519
Speaker 1: that he died in Washington State in the late thirties

1438
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:15,800
Speaker 1: or early forties, but none of these rumors also have

1439
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:19,920
Speaker 1: ever been confirmed. As for Sundance, some say he died

1440
01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:22,400
Speaker 1: in South America much later than nineteen oh eight, but

1441
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:25,759
Speaker 1: his records are even sketchier. Some suspect that his girlfriend

1442
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:29,120
Speaker 1: Eda left for the US that year and then later

1443
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:33,760
Speaker 1: reunited with him after his presumed death, and I swear

1444
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:36,360
Speaker 1: of got his own done. In the nineteen nineties, researchers

1445
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 1: exhume the graves where the men are buried in San

1446
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:43,719
Speaker 1: Vicente to try to conclusively link DNA samples with Butch

1447
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 1: and Sundance's known descendants, but the DNA does not mash

1448
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:55,799
Speaker 1: really yeah, leading some historians to believe that the Bolivian

1449
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 1: authorities misidentified the men shot and killed that day, and

1450
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 1: that once again, Which and Sundance escaped and lived out

1451
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:06,400
Speaker 1: the rest of their lives under new names. Shit right,

1452
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:10,480
Speaker 1: fun right, so fun. To this day, Butch Cassidy's reputation

1453
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:13,280
Speaker 1: as the Gentleman Bandit has turned him into an American

1454
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:16,640
Speaker 1: folk hero, as has the lingering mystery around his and

1455
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 1: Sundance's death, and that reputation has only been strengthened by

1456
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:25,479
Speaker 1: the nineteen sixty nine film Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.

1457
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:32,559
Speaker 1: You know, it's so nice, Huh, It's really nice. The

1458
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:35,360
Speaker 1: idea that Paul Newman and Robert Redford are together again.

1459
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 1: Isn't it as sad as it is? They're so drunk

1460
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 1: in heaven right now or wherever their chosen place might

1461
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 1: be on.

1462
01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:47,360
Speaker 2: Pappy van Winkle just fucking.

1463
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 1: Just fucking it up. When they shot they shot Towering

1464
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 1: and Inferno. I'm talking when they shot Towering Inferno in

1465
01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:01,240
Speaker 1: San Francisco. My uncle Mike was the fireman. Had to

1466
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:04,519
Speaker 1: go down to the set and he said that Paul

1467
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 1: Newman was sitting in a director's chair and he had

1468
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:10,519
Speaker 1: a case of Budweiser next to him, and my uncle

1469
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 1: Mike was like, he's my favorite actor. Now we're a

1470
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:15,320
Speaker 1: Budweiser family.

1471
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:15,840
Speaker 2: Okay.

1472
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:19,600
Speaker 1: Butch and Sundance are portrayed in that movie as incredibly

1473
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:22,200
Speaker 1: handsome and cunning rebels. But while the film has a

1474
01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:25,439
Speaker 1: conclusive ending with Butch and Sundance dying in not shootout

1475
01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:27,760
Speaker 1: in Bolivia, this is one of those stories where the

1476
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:31,760
Speaker 1: truth is stranger than fiction, where we'll almost certainly never

1477
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:34,120
Speaker 1: know what really happened to Butch Cassidy and the Sundance

1478
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 1: Kid in real life, which is perfectly fitting for men

1479
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:40,439
Speaker 1: so steeped in Old West legend and lore. And that

1480
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:46,360
Speaker 1: is the story of Utah native Butch Cassidy. Wow yo,

1481
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:52,320
Speaker 1: great job. Thank you. That's a good one.

1482
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:54,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you nailed that one. Thank you.

1483
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:57,679
Speaker 1: That was that was fun, those fun times.

1484
01:25:57,720 --> 01:26:05,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, do we have time? Yeah? Okay, Oh, here's Vince

1485
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:10,320
Speaker 2: with the microphone, my husband, Vince.

1486
01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:15,519
Speaker 4: Everyone hid, don't forget the hot talk.

1487
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you.

1488
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:22,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. Going to that fan convention today,

1489
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:26,080
Speaker 4: real cool, positive vibes over there, a lot of costumes.

1490
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:29,680
Speaker 4: They even had their own little cosplay repair station with

1491
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:31,240
Speaker 4: some sewing machines and.

1492
01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:33,720
Speaker 1: People oh so supportive.

1493
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:37,559
Speaker 2: I would be right over there, okay, thank you.

1494
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:40,200
Speaker 1: And our drive over here, I saw two, if not

1495
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:42,599
Speaker 1: three poison ives walking down the street together.

1496
01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:46,240
Speaker 2: I've spotted a couple of beetlejuices this trip.

1497
01:26:46,240 --> 01:26:48,559
Speaker 1: I saw one person in a le It's like a

1498
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:51,800
Speaker 1: full body leosard with just a big cardboard TV on

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01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:54,400
Speaker 1: their head, and I was like, yeah, that's You've kind

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01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 1: of summed it all up right there. She's like, I'm entertainment.

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01:26:58,479 --> 01:27:02,360
Speaker 2: That's me. That's true. Okay, tell them about what this is.

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01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 1: You guys know the rules. But this is the hometown

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01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:06,719
Speaker 1: part where we want somebody to come up and tell

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01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:09,479
Speaker 1: us their hometown. And since we're here in Salt Lake City,

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01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:13,000
Speaker 1: it'd be great if it was local somewhere nearby. Definitely

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01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:15,120
Speaker 1: in the state of Utah. If you come up here

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01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:18,720
Speaker 1: talking about Florida, bad things are gonna happen to you

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01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:21,799
Speaker 1: like they happened to Katie on Night one in Denver.

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01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:26,280
Speaker 1: It was very ugly. The shouting and the screaming insane.

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01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:29,479
Speaker 1: So just do your best. If you're gonna put your

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01:27:29,479 --> 01:27:31,880
Speaker 1: hand up, make sure that's what's happening. You can't be

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01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:34,559
Speaker 1: so drunk that you can't tell your own story. Please

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01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:36,559
Speaker 1: make sure it has a beginning, middle, and end. You

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01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:38,760
Speaker 1: do not have to be funny. We just want to

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01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 1: hear your hometown. And with that, Georgia's randomly going to

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01:27:42,160 --> 01:27:42,919
Speaker 1: pick a person.

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01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:46,040
Speaker 2: From the audience right now, Okay, let me see. Don't

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01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:48,519
Speaker 2: point at someone you don't know, because I'm gonna blame

1519
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:51,799
Speaker 2: you if the story sucks. Yeah yeah, right there stand

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01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:54,320
Speaker 2: with the white Yes, yeah, yeah.

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01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:57,040
Speaker 1: They're like, I don't have one.

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01:27:57,360 --> 01:28:03,560
Speaker 2: I don't know how to yeah yeah, yeah, yes, I

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01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:05,920
Speaker 2: want to look at that way. I'm gonna my spanks

1524
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:15,840
Speaker 2: are writing, right, Okay, Hi, were you serious? You have one?

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01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:19,040
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be she said, I'm not going

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01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:19,920
Speaker 2: to be weird.

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01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:20,840
Speaker 5: What's your name?

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01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 1: What's your name?

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01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:23,839
Speaker 2: Megan?

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01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:27,040
Speaker 1: You get your own MinC say hi to Megan.

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01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:33,280
Speaker 2: Hi. Huh Yeah. Where are you from?

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01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:35,680
Speaker 5: I don't want to say, because you said the Florida thing.

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01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:36,759
Speaker 1: God damn you, Megan.

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01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:39,240
Speaker 2: You can be from anywhere.

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01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:43,160
Speaker 5: Okay, good. Then I'm from Portland, Oregon. Oh okay, yes,

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01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:44,520
Speaker 5: and I've.

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01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:49,240
Speaker 6: Lived here in Leighton, Utah for about fourteen years.

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01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 5: Oh great, Okay, so it's hometown. Yes, now, so the hometown.

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01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:03,559
Speaker 6: So the hometown is so I was called on a

1540
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:06,880
Speaker 6: mission for my church, and I s church.

1541
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:10,600
Speaker 5: You're never gonna go.

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01:29:11,680 --> 01:29:15,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, nobody knows about it. It's the Church of Jesus

1543
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:17,640
Speaker 6: Christ of Latter Day Say you never heard of the

1544
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:18,360
Speaker 6: Mormon Church.

1545
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:21,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, we are family.

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01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:29,200
Speaker 6: So I served on Temple Square in Salt Lake City, Utah,

1547
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:31,560
Speaker 6: and I got called when I was in at the

1548
01:29:31,640 --> 01:29:35,280
Speaker 6: University of Oregon. Anyway, as a missionary. Oh my gosh,

1549
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:36,519
Speaker 6: my brain is bulaing.

1550
01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:39,120
Speaker 1: That's how it is up here.

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01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:41,960
Speaker 5: It's terrifying. You're all looking and you can't see it.

1552
01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:49,840
Speaker 7: So so, as a missionary on Temple Square, you teach

1553
01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:53,920
Speaker 7: people about the buildings and the history of Salt Lake

1554
01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:55,160
Speaker 7: and the pioneers.

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01:29:55,680 --> 01:29:58,040
Speaker 5: As such, we meet lots of people.

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01:29:58,479 --> 01:30:01,640
Speaker 6: And one of the people that I'm that was a

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01:30:01,680 --> 01:30:06,679
Speaker 6: man named Felix. And Felix he had some probably mental

1558
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:10,120
Speaker 6: health issues, but he chose favorites of the Temple Square

1559
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:13,759
Speaker 6: missionaries and then he whittled favorites down and I became

1560
01:30:13,800 --> 01:30:18,240
Speaker 6: a favorite, and he would he found out where we lived,

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01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:23,519
Speaker 6: and he followed us home one night and waited. So

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01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:28,080
Speaker 6: that's part one, Part two. I swear this all comes together. Okay,

1563
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:30,680
Speaker 6: this is the middle. We tracked you the beginning. I

1564
01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:32,080
Speaker 6: don't trust me, so thank you.

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01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:34,439
Speaker 1: Okay.

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01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:38,400
Speaker 6: So in the middle, where were we, Felix? Yes, in

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01:30:38,439 --> 01:30:43,320
Speaker 6: the middle, there was an actual crime that happened. A

1568
01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:45,840
Speaker 6: woman named Laurie Hacking went missing. And I think you

1569
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:50,800
Speaker 6: guys talked about this one time in your podcast.

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01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:53,439
Speaker 2: Thank You Love.

1571
01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:55,840
Speaker 6: I listened to you guys going to sleep at night.

1572
01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:57,320
Speaker 6: I'm not lying my story.

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01:30:57,640 --> 01:31:02,679
Speaker 5: Io, anyway, you go breathe, Okay.

1574
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:06,960
Speaker 6: So Lourie Hacking disappears, and she disappeared from a park.

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01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:08,960
Speaker 5: Well, her husband said that she.

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01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:11,519
Speaker 6: Was running in a park where we used to run

1577
01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:15,639
Speaker 6: every morning. So we lots of precautions were taken, extra security.

1578
01:31:15,680 --> 01:31:18,400
Speaker 6: We weren't allowed to run in that park anymore for

1579
01:31:18,439 --> 01:31:24,479
Speaker 6: a while. So well, this was all going on and

1580
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:27,559
Speaker 6: we didn't know what had happened till Louri. One night

1581
01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:31,520
Speaker 6: we got to knock up the door and my companion,

1582
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:34,920
Speaker 6: my missionary companion, was from Finland. She went to answer

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01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:37,679
Speaker 6: the door, sorry, and there was a security guard.

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01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:38,679
Speaker 5: Do you not like Finland?

1585
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:41,679
Speaker 1: I love it. I just it seemed like she seemed

1586
01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:42,960
Speaker 1: like you're lying for a second.

1587
01:31:44,640 --> 01:31:46,680
Speaker 5: Sorry, I wish I was, I'm not.

1588
01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:48,240
Speaker 2: So.

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01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:52,280
Speaker 6: Sister Mustinen from Finland answered the door at three am,

1590
01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:54,639
Speaker 6: and it was a security guard and he was letting

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01:31:54,760 --> 01:31:56,880
Speaker 6: us know that there was a broken window in our

1592
01:31:56,960 --> 01:31:59,960
Speaker 6: apartment basement and so he needed to come in and

1593
01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:03,719
Speaker 6: check out to make sure everything was fine. Yes, yes,

1594
01:32:04,520 --> 01:32:06,600
Speaker 6: my murdering O brain was saying, don't let him in,

1595
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:08,800
Speaker 6: but I was upstairs and still asleep. But she led

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01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:14,559
Speaker 6: him in and she didn't know. There's not crime there

1597
01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:20,320
Speaker 6: I think anyway. Anyway, so she led him in and

1598
01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:24,040
Speaker 6: he spoiler was not security.

1599
01:32:24,280 --> 01:32:26,080
Speaker 5: But he did have a.

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01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:30,200
Speaker 6: Phone cord like an old school curly phone word taped

1601
01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:34,040
Speaker 6: to his ear and he kept talking to his microphone

1602
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:37,000
Speaker 6: that was really just a bracelet made out of tinfoil.

1603
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:40,000
Speaker 6: But he had a trench coat on.

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01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:43,960
Speaker 2: And so we called.

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01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:49,920
Speaker 6: We called security, I mean the real ones with the sirens, yes, please.

1606
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:53,320
Speaker 1: Not the inspector gadgets and people from Finland don't know.

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01:32:54,360 --> 01:32:56,360
Speaker 6: I really wish she would have had the fedora too.

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01:32:56,479 --> 01:33:00,880
Speaker 6: He did not, anyway, So they Temples Square Security. I

1609
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:03,800
Speaker 6: had actually seen him on cameras before and they knew him.

1610
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:05,880
Speaker 6: There were posters of him all over, so they were

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01:33:05,920 --> 01:33:09,840
Speaker 6: able to come and apprehend him. But because of this,

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01:33:10,439 --> 01:33:14,160
Speaker 6: I was moved to a different apartment pretty quickly. And

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01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:17,280
Speaker 6: as part of this new assignment, I swear this is

1614
01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:21,240
Speaker 6: the end. It's wrapping together. As part of this new assignment,

1615
01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:24,719
Speaker 6: we were invited to sting as a as a group

1616
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:29,240
Speaker 6: for a special memorial service that is held every December

1617
01:33:29,320 --> 01:33:32,040
Speaker 6: sixth in the Salt Lake City Cemetery.

1618
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:34,960
Speaker 5: There's a someone loves that cemetery.

1619
01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:37,320
Speaker 2: There is a.

1620
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:43,800
Speaker 6: Christmas Box Angel statue there and people, oh my gosh.

1621
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:47,080
Speaker 6: The vigil is for parents who've lost children. So we

1622
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:49,880
Speaker 6: sang at that vigil, and at the vigil, the guest

1623
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:53,800
Speaker 6: speaker that at that time was Lori Hacking's parents, because

1624
01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:55,479
Speaker 6: at that time they had found her.

1625
01:33:55,960 --> 01:33:57,440
Speaker 5: We learned what had happened.

1626
01:33:57,120 --> 01:34:02,599
Speaker 6: To her, and it was devast but very They spoke

1627
01:34:02,680 --> 01:34:06,600
Speaker 6: so eloquently about the process of grief and it was beautiful.

1628
01:34:06,920 --> 01:34:10,360
Speaker 6: And then fast forward many many years later, we now

1629
01:34:10,439 --> 01:34:13,559
Speaker 6: have a Christmas Box Angel in the same cemetery where

1630
01:34:13,560 --> 01:34:15,599
Speaker 6: my three babies are buried, and.

1631
01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:19,759
Speaker 5: It's very special for us. So true crime full circle

1632
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:20,320
Speaker 5: the end.

1633
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:23,160
Speaker 1: Wow, amazing, amazing.

1634
01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:32,400
Speaker 2: Megan, Wait, Megan, Megan, Oh, Megan, have you won the

1635
01:34:32,439 --> 01:34:36,160
Speaker 2: stress hot dog? We should have given it to her beforehand?

1636
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:39,280
Speaker 2: Should thank you?

1637
01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:43,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god. That was a perfect home too, a

1638
01:34:43,080 --> 01:34:44,080
Speaker 1: perfect hometown.

1639
01:34:44,320 --> 01:34:44,799
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1640
01:34:44,840 --> 01:34:47,160
Speaker 1: Well, Utah, we've done it.

1641
01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:53,280
Speaker 2: Hig City, we did it. This is it. Thank you

1642
01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:58,160
Speaker 2: guys for babies. So supportive for so long. We are

1643
01:34:58,680 --> 01:35:02,160
Speaker 2: in awe of the way you guys like us. I

1644
01:35:02,200 --> 01:35:03,400
Speaker 2: don't know, it's weird.

1645
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:06,920
Speaker 1: Oh, we appreciate it, and we just appreciate you've given

1646
01:35:07,040 --> 01:35:09,760
Speaker 1: us very beautiful lives. And maybe you don't know that,

1647
01:35:09,920 --> 01:35:13,439
Speaker 1: but it is true. And we're so eternally grateful for

1648
01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:17,960
Speaker 1: the insanity of this podcast and the specificity of this

1649
01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:20,800
Speaker 1: podcast and the way that you guys have built a

1650
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:24,759
Speaker 1: community for yourselves, and we will need that community going

1651
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:28,559
Speaker 1: forward in these fucked up times. Please love each other,

1652
01:35:29,160 --> 01:35:36,320
Speaker 1: please help each other, and stay sexy, and thank you

1653
01:35:36,439 --> 01:35:41,000
Speaker 1: so much, City Elvis.

1654
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:41,759
Speaker 2: Do you want a cookie?

1655
01:35:49,439 --> 01:35:51,080
Speaker 8: This has been an Exactly Right production.

1656
01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:53,920
Speaker 2: Our senior producers are Alejandra Keck and Molly Smith.

1657
01:35:54,040 --> 01:35:56,040
Speaker 8: Our editor is Aristotle Ocevedo.

1658
01:35:56,160 --> 01:35:58,240
Speaker 2: This episode was mixed by Leona Squalacci.

1659
01:35:58,360 --> 01:36:01,200
Speaker 8: Our researchers, our Mayoron mcglash, and Ali Elkin.

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01:36:01,320 --> 01:36:04,360
Speaker 2: Email your homecounts to My Favorite Murder at gmail dot com.

1661
01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:06,840
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1662
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:09,599
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1663
01:36:09,640 --> 01:36:11,720
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1664
01:36:11,800 --> 01:36:14,240
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01:36:14,360 --> 01:36:16,560
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01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:21,160
Speaker 3: Good byebye,