Speaker 1: Hey there, Fanarido's welcome to part two of our interview
Speaker 1: with Karen Miller. She was with us on Full House
Speaker 1: since the very beginning and we are truly truly inspired
Speaker 1: by her story of how she broke into the industry
Speaker 1: and made her mark. We can't wait for you guys
Speaker 1: to hear the rest of our conversation with her. So
Speaker 1: without further ado, here's Karen just like the old gang
Speaker 1: back together. They're like, you know, snickering in the in
Speaker 1: the bleachers together and talking and then going backstage to
Speaker 1: Crafty and yeah talking series as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they did this.
Speaker 3: They were in the seventies cruise seven almost said sea cruise,
Speaker 3: but yeah, the seventies cruise. No, no, not sea crewse
Speaker 3: that's the one we don't like. Seventies cruise was what
Speaker 3: did you think of sea Cruise?
Speaker 1: Do you?
Speaker 2: Cruise was secret? Is the worst episode that we ever
Speaker 2: did as a show.
Speaker 4: Was a disaster?
Speaker 3: Okay, oh okay, let's get let us know the I
Speaker 3: mean other than it being a disaster as an episode
Speaker 3: and janas Sweeten's least favorite episode, therefore making it just
Speaker 3: the worst we've ever done.
Speaker 2: But what happened?
Speaker 4: And also you were like, wait, so early in this
Speaker 4: series of a family show, we're doing that episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the Yeah, that was my mom's issue
Speaker 3: with it, and also that it just was like not
Speaker 3: it didn't seem like us and also was just a
Speaker 3: terrible episode.
Speaker 4: It was and it was kind of like it was
Speaker 4: like I don't even I wouldn't even say it was
Speaker 4: the boy's fantasy to do that episode, but it turned
Speaker 4: out to be this this weird episode and it was
Speaker 4: the director if you remember that what you probably don't
Speaker 4: remember it was the director at the time, it was
Speaker 4: like there was a bunch of stuff that was that
Speaker 4: created a really challenging week.
Speaker 3: And who directed that episode, Tom Turpovich. That's right, I
Speaker 3: remember there was a Then we were like, who the
Speaker 3: hell is that guy? And we never saw his name again,
Speaker 3: And now that's why, yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Will I remember well remember that episode because if you
Speaker 4: that was very early on, it was like it was
Speaker 4: like the third I think Tom Miller was like going
Speaker 4: to lose his mind because you know, it was one
Speaker 4: of those also where yeah, okay, Tom, and I think
Speaker 4: it was it was just so out of character for
Speaker 4: Full House and then you know, there was that pivotal moment,
Speaker 4: and maybe it was I don't you have to ask,
Speaker 4: you know, Bob or Jeff. I suppose when that pivotal
Speaker 4: moment came where it was that refocus which Tom and
Speaker 4: Bob were so good on. Just remember that little that
Speaker 4: he would just get that.
Speaker 2: Tom, Yes, yes, yeah, he's getting it. Yeah. It was
Speaker 2: just a little something.
Speaker 4: It was a little and it was just we saw
Speaker 4: that shift in it being about the family and less
Speaker 4: about the boys, you know, dating and well.
Speaker 3: And I think because you know, we because we've had
Speaker 3: Jeff on here a couple of times, but Jeff you know,
Speaker 3: was saying that the show originally was about three comics
Speaker 3: and the kids were kind of incidental to the story.
Speaker 3: And then you know, they were like, well what about
Speaker 3: a family thing. He's like, yeah, I could do that,
Speaker 3: and like, you know, sure, here you go, and you know,
Speaker 3: like you do in this business, you just go, I, yes,
Speaker 3: that's actually I was thinking that too funny, you mexactly
Speaker 3: and that's what he did. But I think, you know,
Speaker 3: third or fourth episode in it was like, let's just
Speaker 3: see if we can still and I think everyone went,
Speaker 3: oh no, no, no, no, we've that we're not doing
Speaker 3: that show.
Speaker 4: Basically they didn't cancel us in that particular moment. It wasn't.
Speaker 4: It was something that was like, you know, there's always
Speaker 4: one episode or there's always one episode in every season
Speaker 4: that you're like, we're just going to bury that one.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, there's we found some yeah yeah no.
Speaker 4: That was that that always stood out to me, and that.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you universally worst episode. Yeah yeah, everyone agrees.
Speaker 5: That was so fun, Elie.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine that? Karen was like, that was my
Speaker 2: favorite episode.
Speaker 4: I thought, so great, I have to end this podcast
Speaker 4: really why? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Uh so interesting choice. It's great, and you continue working today.
Speaker 2: Okay, you have good taste, you have Wow? Yeah, I
Speaker 2: see that turned around.
Speaker 1: What other stories like, because Jody and I were back
Speaker 1: in the school room for most of them, What do
Speaker 1: you what can you tell us about the things that
Speaker 1: we don't know that happened?
Speaker 2: Any stories? Tell us more? What was the I.
Speaker 4: Saw it on set, but it just was like I
Speaker 4: remember being in the office and coming down to set
Speaker 4: and just very early on realizing that you had to
Speaker 4: watch what you said because even the most innocent of
Speaker 4: things to Bob or Dave in particular, was I just
Speaker 4: became a run on joke, and so you would just
Speaker 4: you'd say something and it just became the attention was
Speaker 4: quickly turned to you, which I was not in favor of.
Speaker 4: I just kind of wanted to do my job. And
Speaker 4: and but yes, I remembered. I just remember laughing all
Speaker 4: the time.
Speaker 5: All the time.
Speaker 4: I remember. I just remember Bob always getting yelled at
Speaker 4: by Joel because.
Speaker 6: He was.
Speaker 2: Because of the phone.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, are okay the days before cell phones,
Speaker 3: you guys, the days of hoarded phones were talking. Bob
Speaker 3: was the worst with the phone, always on the phone,
Speaker 3: always on the stage phone, always taking the call. And
Speaker 3: Joel would lose his mind. And it was Bob was
Speaker 3: super tall and Joel was super short, and Joel would
Speaker 3: be yelling up at Bob and it was it was.
Speaker 2: The funniest thing.
Speaker 4: I mean, it happened all all right, and it.
Speaker 3: Was and Joel would be losing his mind and Bob
Speaker 3: was just a child and like laughing at and would
Speaker 3: start going, oh no, he's mad. Oh and You're like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, oh my god, Joel's gonna explode. And
Speaker 3: it just it was the dynamic and they but yet
Speaker 3: they like loved each other, like it wasn't without a doubt.
Speaker 3: It was it was, you know, someone trying to get
Speaker 3: something done who just yells by nature, and then a
Speaker 3: class clown who's like, I'm gonna make this a joke.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And it was also it wasn't as if he took
Speaker 4: the note in the room and then he just put
Speaker 4: the phone away. He would just sneak it and then
Speaker 4: he would go, you know, back to the picking up
Speaker 4: the phone and making the call. And it was it
Speaker 4: was brilliant. I mean, it was just it was comedy
Speaker 4: at its best.
Speaker 2: Bob.
Speaker 4: Bob just provided so much fun. I mean, I remember
Speaker 4: being in San Francisco. We were shooting in San Francisco
Speaker 4: and we had I think we'd all flown out of Burbank.
Speaker 4: We all flew to San Francisco. We were all in
Speaker 4: this hotel. We were going over the bridge to sell Sasolito.
Speaker 3: We were going to Sasillito, and it was Dave who
Speaker 3: yelled out, oh, it's the entire cast, the whole house,
Speaker 3: out the window, driving over the Golden gate Bridge, waving
Speaker 3: at people. And this was at a time when you
Speaker 3: knew who the cast was, like fourth season and so
Speaker 3: literally and we're in like a fifteen person or passenger van. Okay,
Speaker 3: we look like we're going to like county jail or
Speaker 3: I don't know, so you know what I mean, We're
Speaker 3: all like fifteen of us sitting in there waving every
Speaker 3: you know. And Dave was yelling out the window and
Speaker 3: I remember my mom, you shit dying, laughing, dying, laughing.
Speaker 4: Just and there was a morning when I think Bob
Speaker 4: either his call time was later, but he decided he
Speaker 4: was going to go for a jog. And I don't
Speaker 4: know that Bob actually exercised.
Speaker 2: I remember it. No, he wasn't going for a job.
Speaker 2: That was a lie.
Speaker 4: What was he He said he was going to go
Speaker 4: to a for a job. So he ran from the hotel,
Speaker 4: which I don't know how he ran to down to
Speaker 4: the pier.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 4: He called me and he said, yeah, you know it's
Speaker 4: there's a lot of hills here.
Speaker 3: Right, That's yeah, going down to the pier is one thing.
Speaker 3: Getting back up to the hotel.
Speaker 4: I can't run back up the hill. So can you
Speaker 4: send a driver for me?
Speaker 2: And I was my season.
Speaker 4: I said, Bob, they're all on location. I don't have
Speaker 4: a driver, right, And I was just like, well, what
Speaker 4: do you, well, what do I do? And I I
Speaker 4: became that mall. I become I became mom. And I
Speaker 4: was like, oh, so do you see a taxi? Right,
Speaker 4: hail the taxi, raise.
Speaker 5: Your hand, get it.
Speaker 4: I don't have any money. Oh okay, get back to
Speaker 4: the hotel. Tell the driver you need to run up
Speaker 4: to your room to go get money. He'll wait for
Speaker 4: you because he wants to get paid, right, Okay, okay, yeah,
Speaker 4: I can do all that. And that's and I was like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, I love you, Bob. And so that
Speaker 4: he did, yeah, yeah, now he was that. That was yeah,
Speaker 4: one of those moments I'm like, okay, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4: I can't really help you. That's such a bombing moment,
Speaker 4: so out of character. Also to go jog, but I'm like, okay.
Speaker 3: He was probably like, I'm just gonna go for a quick,
Speaker 3: little easy run take in the city. It's pretty. And
Speaker 3: then he was like, oh my god, these hills is right,
Speaker 3: And then he got an elephant or a horse, which
Speaker 3: he could ride back through the streets of San Francisco,
Speaker 3: as apparently is so easy to do.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 4: It was one of those moments where I was like, okay, yeah, no,
Speaker 4: I I there were a lot of little things like that, right,
Speaker 4: it was like oh, by the way, oh yeah, we
Speaker 4: haven't really figured that piece out, or how do we
Speaker 4: do that? And you know, you kind of you knew
Speaker 4: that they were fully functioning adult, right, but we also
Speaker 4: were an environment that you know, things were done for you, right,
Speaker 4: And so I think when you step out of that
Speaker 4: stage and you're on location, you're expecting sometimes that things
Speaker 4: also that will just be done for you. And it's like, well,
Speaker 4: actually this is going to mirror your real life more, right, right.
Speaker 3: Actually, actually everyone's busy doing their jobs, right.
Speaker 2: But I don't that never change. I'm going to say
Speaker 2: that didn't change.
Speaker 3: Throughout fuller And none of this is said in a
Speaker 3: mean way, but definitely it was like I think the
Speaker 3: guys always were like, well, can't somebody do that? And
Speaker 3: you were like, no, you can do that, and that
Speaker 3: even our fur was like just just go do the thing, exactly,
Speaker 3: just go do the thing for yourself.
Speaker 4: No, and again always like with always with joy and
Speaker 4: one right.
Speaker 2: And then they'd be like oh oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah yeah, but just the thought that like it,
Speaker 3: you know, this might be inconvenience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's a life of a producer. You have
Speaker 1: to multitask and problem solve twenty four hours a day.
Speaker 2: But it's the hardest. Like people who can't stop creating
Speaker 2: problems often to.
Speaker 4: Just again are so completely lovely and innocent to some
Speaker 4: degree about it, right, Like there is this resence about it.
Speaker 3: It was never malicious, nobody knew. Like our cast, we
Speaker 3: didn't have malicious egotistical. It was just like, hey, could
Speaker 3: you do that thing? And You're like, I've got seventeen
Speaker 3: drivers and I need nineteen and.
Speaker 2: So no, I can't sacrifice one of them for you
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 4: Like but it was just it was like oh yeah,
Speaker 4: oh yeah, oh no, I can do that.
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, okay, I'll see you that well.
Speaker 3: It's also you know that I always tell the story
Speaker 3: about the cow under the table on four House, you know,
Speaker 3: when when we were staying there and there's a very
Speaker 3: obvious large cow that is not going to fit under
Speaker 3: the table, and Jeff's standing there and going, huh so
Speaker 3: you can't fit the cow under the table, you know,
Speaker 3: and like as a producer you have to go, I,
Speaker 3: you know, I let me see, we're going to need
Speaker 3: a smaller cow or a bigger table.
Speaker 4: Because why would they rewrite that bit?
Speaker 3: And you just and you question your reality, going does
Speaker 3: everyone else seeing this cow the same size as I am?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like you can make that work, can't you?
Speaker 2: Right? Right right?
Speaker 3: And that's work, and that's what you do as a
Speaker 3: producer and speaking of it, and you must have done it
Speaker 3: very very well because after Full House, I mean you
Speaker 3: went into some pretty amazing leadership roles at Disney and
Speaker 3: NBC Universal and like more in the sort of content
Speaker 3: acquisition side of things.
Speaker 2: So you were killing it. Car, Thank you.
Speaker 4: I I feel so privileged. I feel so privileged that
Speaker 4: that really was This what I will say is the
Speaker 4: start of my career and something that you know, I
Speaker 4: learned so much. You learned, you just you learned because
Speaker 4: you had to be you had to be in your feet,
Speaker 4: you had to think, you had to act, You had
Speaker 4: to solve problems. You know, you had to you had
Speaker 4: to show up in a way you would to show
Speaker 4: up almost you know, better than than what was expected
Speaker 4: of you.
Speaker 3: Right, Like you know that, well, sitcoms sort of demand that,
Speaker 3: like it's it's a yes, there's a routine to it,
Speaker 3: but it's also like a constantly moving machine that doesn't
Speaker 3: slow down, and you've got four or five days to
Speaker 3: fix the problems, and really you've got like two or
Speaker 3: three days to fix the problems because you're shooting the
Speaker 3: problems by day four.
Speaker 4: To be in the Miller Boyette family and then and
Speaker 4: then being able to because that that was the time
Speaker 4: also where there was a there was this myth going
Speaker 4: around that tape was going to end and you had
Speaker 4: to learn film and you had to be on a
Speaker 4: film show because film shows were going to replace all
Speaker 4: tape shows. And so I went to Bob and Tom
Speaker 4: and I was like, I need to be on a
Speaker 4: film show, Like, what what have you got? So I
Speaker 4: did the Hog and so I did the syndication for
Speaker 4: a Full House, and then I went to do the
Speaker 4: Hogan Family. And that was at the time when Sandy
Speaker 4: Duncan was was in a.
Speaker 3: Rally or yeah that was I did Valerie around that, Yeah,
Speaker 3: so we did.
Speaker 4: So I did that and then I did I did
Speaker 4: a ton of shows for Miller Boyette, which was amazing.
Speaker 4: Step by step not ever really family matters. I mean
Speaker 4: yet family matters. Step by step. Then me go, do
Speaker 4: you remember Miga with Bronson Pinchot and Jonathan Vickey. That
Speaker 4: was actually a Bigley Warren. That was a big Lee.
Speaker 4: That was big Okay. So I did those and then
Speaker 4: and I was at Warner for seventeen years in an amazing,
Speaker 4: amazing career. And then I had always dealt with the
Speaker 4: post production team and the production supervisors. And so they
Speaker 4: had an animated series that they were it was it
Speaker 4: was during the it was during when the WB Network
Speaker 4: was on the air, and so they they said, well,
Speaker 4: you you're a good producer, can you do this animated series?
Speaker 4: And so I went and jumped to do to do
Speaker 4: Baby Blues, which was written, which was based on a
Speaker 4: comic strip. And so I did that and I did
Speaker 4: not know animation. I had never done that before. I
Speaker 4: a very very very very different world. I you know,
Speaker 4: jumped right in and learned very quickly. And I had
Speaker 4: two amazing producers, Jeff Martin and Pete Aco. We did
Speaker 4: that for two seasons and that, of course, animation takes forever.
Speaker 4: And then at some point I jumped to they were like, okay,
Speaker 4: you can do a challenging show. Now you need to
Speaker 4: go to the Oblongs, which remember Deborah Oppenheimer, Yeah, Deborah
Speaker 4: Oppenheimer and Bruce Hilford were across the oblong so I
Speaker 4: jumped and did that and then I was lucky enough
Speaker 4: to I think. I went to Disney after that in
Speaker 4: content acquisitions, in global content acquisitions, and that was amazing,
Speaker 4: and then to NBC and to some indies. I worked
Speaker 4: for an Italian company. I worked for a French company
Speaker 4: and now running the Mo Williams company, which is called
Speaker 4: Hidden Pigeons. So and your kids are probably the right demo.
Speaker 4: So Elephant and Piggy, do you were remember those books
Speaker 4: or the Pigeon Don't let the Pigeon Drive the Bus?
Speaker 2: I remember that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I read the Pigeon ones. Yes, I think b was.
Speaker 3: I think b was. They'd been out a little while
Speaker 3: because she's fourteen now, but yeah, I definitely, yeah remember.
Speaker 5: So I just remember.
Speaker 3: Don't let the pigeon drive the bus, because how many
Speaker 3: times have I said that, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: it's just over and over.
Speaker 2: You got to remind.
Speaker 3: People don't let the pigeon drive the pigeon. Yes, mine,
Speaker 3: and let's find and love it.
Speaker 4: And it's just amazing. So yeah, I mean again, I
Speaker 4: think you know right place, right time, hard work, incredible
Speaker 4: mentors and tons of support, you know, whether it was
Speaker 4: family or extended family that allowed me to have a
Speaker 4: great career and raise two amazing kids who are both
Speaker 4: in the industry, which I did try to prevent that,
Speaker 4: but but somehow the mirroring of the way we were
Speaker 4: raised in the industry was something that they they saw
Speaker 4: and they they're both in now.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, incredibly wonderful positive experiences in this
Speaker 3: business that we are both.
Speaker 4: You know, Christopher is a production manager over at Bento
Speaker 4: box On. He was on Bob's Burgers for years.
Speaker 5: And now oh yes, right North so.
Speaker 4: I oh, okay, oh cool, So he loves it. He's
Speaker 4: been with them forever. And Olivia is at NBC Universal.
Speaker 4: She does social media, so she's across Bravo and E Content. Yeah, so,
Speaker 4: I mean it's just amazing. So it's yeah, really so
Speaker 4: incredibly proud, and and they're just they're such good people
Speaker 4: and they have such good strong worth work ethics and
Speaker 4: just lovely, lovely.
Speaker 3: It's well, I mean, I'm not surprised. Yeah, it's not
Speaker 3: that apple. Those apples did not.
Speaker 2: Fall far from the try. It's how do you how.
Speaker 3: Is the business you think changed like from one I
Speaker 3: mean other than in every way possible. But from the
Speaker 3: time that like we were doing you know, full House
Speaker 3: and kind of starting there to where it is now,
Speaker 3: I feel like it's just so different in so many ways,
Speaker 3: and yet it's still the same sort of the same
Speaker 3: grind and the same like.
Speaker 4: Weird priorities of you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: But like, but at the same time, the entire model
Speaker 3: of it has so changed and shifted.
Speaker 4: It's become I mean, I think there was just sense of,
Speaker 4: you know, there was just a sense of I think,
Speaker 4: more freedom and more fun. And you had you had
Speaker 4: more chances, right to get it.
Speaker 2: Right, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you had twenty two episodes in a season, and
Speaker 3: we've talked about a lot of the filler episodes that
Speaker 3: you're like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes you just kind of had to go shilt
Speaker 2: that one.
Speaker 3: Just waste twenty two minutes of air time, can figure
Speaker 3: it out, you know.
Speaker 4: But I think and I think you had there was
Speaker 4: an opportunity to let an audience grow, and there was
Speaker 4: just also I feel like, you know, certainly there was
Speaker 4: not the social media, that was not the all of
Speaker 4: the cameras in your face all the time, which I
Speaker 4: can't imagine how that is as an actor, and so
Speaker 4: you know, yeah, and there's been so much consolidation with
Speaker 4: buyers and networks and streaming.
Speaker 5: Platforms and so, you know, you.
Speaker 4: Make you feel like you're moving forward, and then it's
Speaker 4: four steps back because they're spending less on content. They're
Speaker 4: making ten episodes. You know, if it doesn't catch on
Speaker 4: like fire, you know, beginning, then you don't have a chance.
Speaker 4: There's also so much content, it's hard to get people
Speaker 4: the eyeballs on it.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, it's really hard.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: In the beginning, when it was like two streaming services,
Speaker 3: you were like, oh, well, is it.
Speaker 2: On this one or this one.
Speaker 3: I can't tell you how many times I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna watch that show and I'm like, wait, where
Speaker 3: is it?
Speaker 2: Which, ah no, And.
Speaker 3: You're going through, you know, fifteen of them and you're
Speaker 3: like this, but I think we've I think we've I
Speaker 3: think we've gone back.
Speaker 4: If you remember from tgif do you remember, yes.
Speaker 3: It was there was appointment television. It was that was
Speaker 3: what you did people because that was you had a
Speaker 3: one shot unless you could tape ith.
Speaker 4: ABC loved Miller Boyett because Miller Boyett was one of
Speaker 4: those they were like, yeah, bring it on. This is
Speaker 4: free marketing for us. Sure, we'll host the week, We'll
Speaker 4: host Friday night. We'll sit on the sofa, we'll talk
Speaker 4: about what's coming up next. You know. Yeah, it does
Speaker 4: it take a half hour out of our production day
Speaker 4: and produce the time shoot the show.
Speaker 3: What we're talking about, by the way, is for those
Speaker 3: of you who actually watched TGIF back in the day
Speaker 3: on television when it was was there was a very
Speaker 3: limited amount of channels.
Speaker 2: There was no DVR.
Speaker 3: We would host TGIF the Tanner family or sometimes it
Speaker 3: would be the Winslow family or you know, one of
Speaker 3: the various families on the show, and we would be like, hey,
Speaker 3: coming up next is you know such and such in
Speaker 3: between the different shows in between at commercial breaks and
Speaker 3: so yeah, we had commercial breaks on a regular basis,
Speaker 3: you know all of those things. And it was like
Speaker 3: you got little hosting things kind of throughout the night.
Speaker 3: And it was whatever a three hour block of TV
Speaker 3: where it you know, you watched four episode or you
Speaker 3: know like, well how many would that have been?
Speaker 2: It tikes different shows.
Speaker 4: And it would it was really appointment viewing. When you
Speaker 4: talk about doing not only the show being on a
Speaker 4: specific time, on a specific day. But it was the
Speaker 4: best marketing tool to tell the audience that stick around, hurry,
Speaker 4: run to the bathroom, or go go get a popcorn
Speaker 4: and come right back because family matters.
Speaker 5: That's coming up next.
Speaker 4: I mean, and we used to bring casts on, We
Speaker 4: used to mix the cast to do it.
Speaker 6: It was.
Speaker 4: It was amazing and and and really I feel like
Speaker 4: I'm you know, it's no secret, but Miller Boyett was
Speaker 4: really big and in in and and literally probably the
Speaker 4: leader in making that work because they saw it as yeah,
Speaker 4: this is great. I mean, yes, did it impact the
Speaker 4: writers who had to write it on each show and
Speaker 4: the cast and all of that, but the payout.
Speaker 5: In the end, but that was so much greater.
Speaker 2: So yeah, everyone remembers tgis like it was. It was.
Speaker 4: It felt like it was a show, right because it
Speaker 4: was a show.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And and that was Jim Janaseik at the time. I
Speaker 4: don't know if you remember that name.
Speaker 2: But it's amazing, ABC.
Speaker 4: But it was. It was incredible, and you know, so
Speaker 4: I yeah, it's very different. You have you have so
Speaker 4: much noise and and some content better than others, a
Speaker 4: lot of reality content right now, you know, it's it's hard.
Speaker 4: And I've been in the kids and family space now
Speaker 4: for well, I would say probably for the last twenty years,
Speaker 4: and that is even more challenging because you know, it's
Speaker 4: it's so important and great content's being made. But a
Speaker 4: lot of times the streamers have decided that, you know,
Speaker 4: it's less important than general entertainment, and so less commissions
Speaker 4: and less episodes. But you know, we put our heads down,
Speaker 4: we do it. I mean, Bluie is an amazing series.
Speaker 2: It's such a I mean, such a great it.
Speaker 4: Has my heart and I feel like we always use
Speaker 4: that as to say no, it actually can work, it
Speaker 4: does work, It holds subscribers. Yeah, and you know, and
Speaker 4: so yeah, I think it's it's also I think as
Speaker 4: a woman also you see little moments where there is
Speaker 4: a bright light and then you know, we discover we
Speaker 4: still have the same problems, we still have the same challenges.
Speaker 4: We still have a lot of the things that are
Speaker 4: annoying as shit, you know, as that's.
Speaker 7: Pretty the patriarchy still exists, right right, you know, So
Speaker 7: that I think I think we're well, we're we're a
Speaker 7: lot more aware of it, I think, whereas before, you know,
Speaker 7: it was it was the eighties or the nineties and
Speaker 7: you just smiled.
Speaker 5: And read off things.
Speaker 4: Now I think, you know, we've all found our voice,
Speaker 4: and you know there's strength in that, and I think
Speaker 4: and there's also just we're more unified in that way
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 3: Right, and the understanding that like that doesn't have to
Speaker 3: be a part of this business or any business that. Like,
Speaker 3: for so long it was like, well, hey, if you
Speaker 3: if you want to be a woman and you want
Speaker 3: to work in this world, you got to take the ship.
Speaker 3: And everybody's kind of like, I that's not true. And
Speaker 3: we finally are like at a place where like, yeah, no,
Speaker 3: we usually don't have to do that. We can work
Speaker 3: and work hard and make money and do well and
Speaker 3: be successful without all of that, which is kind of
Speaker 3: like what would be for you know, a young woman
Speaker 3: or you know person entering like today's entertainment industry, what
Speaker 3: would what advice would you give them, like to help
Speaker 3: navigate their careers?
Speaker 4: I mean, I think.
Speaker 2: Or something you wish you I would say that.
Speaker 4: I think that we're also having grown up in this business,
Speaker 4: and I think where this generation is less tolerant of
Speaker 4: spending time doing something that does not bring them joy,
Speaker 4: and so I think, you know, there's those pivotal moments
Speaker 4: in your career, and in some cases you stick it
Speaker 4: out out a little bit longer because you're like, oh,
Speaker 4: it's going to change, or I don't have an option.
Speaker 4: And I think, you know, what I see now is
Speaker 4: that people they put their head down, they know there,
Speaker 4: they know they're worth. I think knowing your worth when
Speaker 4: you enter this business is really important or anything, just
Speaker 4: knowing your worth in general, and knowing and being able
Speaker 4: to use your voice and again using your voice in
Speaker 4: the most respectful way. And also, you know, we used
Speaker 4: to say take the note in the room, right like
Speaker 4: you know, we would have network we would have network notes,
Speaker 4: and some of them were ridiculous, but there is an
Speaker 4: art you oh, thank yes, thank you so much, and
Speaker 4: then thank you. You decide after they've left whether you're
Speaker 4: going to take that note, but you are gracious in
Speaker 4: the room. You take the note in the room, and
Speaker 4: I think that speaks for everything that we have to do.
Speaker 4: We just take the note in the room and then
Speaker 4: you make the choice. And so I think I think
Speaker 4: just knowing your worth is so important. And that's true
Speaker 4: for a man or a way women or.
Speaker 8: Anyone in this business is just any business is any
Speaker 8: person having a sense of security in knowing what you
Speaker 8: know and also understanding what you don't know.
Speaker 4: And and being open and being curious. Right Like, I
Speaker 4: feel like we're three amazing women who had an incredible
Speaker 4: career because we're curious and we're kind, and I think, like,
Speaker 4: you know, that's super important. I don't think we have
Speaker 4: to be what others define us as. I think we
Speaker 4: should we should allow to be who we are. But also, no,
Speaker 4: you know, sometimes you got to you got to you know,
Speaker 4: show up in a way in which you know, you
Speaker 4: got to read the room.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, art to that as well.
Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, yeah, sometimes you got to walk in and
Speaker 3: be like outwardly like I got this, I know what
Speaker 3: I'm doing, I'm making the decisions, even while inside you
Speaker 3: might be like, I have no idea, I have no idea.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, they're gonna find I don't have no idea.
Speaker 3: And then you're like, no, I have an idea, right.
Speaker 4: CEO, now you know? Yeah, I mean I I will
Speaker 4: say that there are times where someone will say, oh,
Speaker 4: what do you do And I'll say, oh, I run
Speaker 4: this company, and Olivia will say you're the CEO, and yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 5: I know that.
Speaker 4: You're like, right, you're like an oftening of that in
Speaker 4: some cases to make somebody feel more comfortable, which is
Speaker 4: very crazy notion.
Speaker 3: Well it's so, and it's also it's such a thing
Speaker 3: we've been told those women like, don't play up your
Speaker 3: Could you imagine a man who was the CEO ever
Speaker 3: being like, well, I mean I'm sure there are I'm
Speaker 3: not going to generalize that, but like, but for the
Speaker 3: most part, when dudes are CEOs or you know, they're like, hey,
Speaker 3: I'm the CEO. If you're walking by them on the
Speaker 3: street you've never met them, and they're like, hey, did
Speaker 3: you know I'm a CEO?
Speaker 2: And you're like, I don't. I don't need to know that.
Speaker 2: But women were like, well, I sort of. I mean
Speaker 2: I do a thing.
Speaker 3: It's like a like a business and in cred like
Speaker 3: there's three letters and right, yet no, don't own it.
Speaker 2: I love Olivia for that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, she's I mean, she's a she's a she's
Speaker 4: a rock star.
Speaker 5: So I I you.
Speaker 4: Know, I think look at I think again, going back
Speaker 4: to like where we all started, we had such a
Speaker 4: strong foundation and we had so much love and it
Speaker 4: was so joyous and it continued to be that throughout
Speaker 4: our lives, and there's all these touch points. It's as
Speaker 4: if no time has passed. And that is extraordinary. And
Speaker 4: it makes me get weepy every time I think about it,
Speaker 4: because it is a foundation that you know, we're all
Speaker 4: well aware of the value of that, and it is
Speaker 4: in our hearts and our soul and the way we
Speaker 4: engage with people. And you guys just came back from
Speaker 4: nineties con and that I mean, and and again, like
Speaker 4: that's there, Like there is such a connection back to
Speaker 4: the people that we did this with, the people that watched,
Speaker 4: the people that it still brings joy no matter where
Speaker 4: you are, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, the other casts that we did this stuff.
Speaker 4: You know. It's just yeah, I mean, I will say
Speaker 4: everything in my career literally pales by comparison when I
Speaker 4: when someone finds out I did Full House, I'm not
Speaker 4: even I'm not even kidding.
Speaker 3: I can't tell you how many people say that. All
Speaker 3: all our guests are like, oh, yeah, everything, you know,
Speaker 3: also I've done there, Like but I was on.
Speaker 4: Full House people, what yeah, stop just you know, yeah exactly,
Speaker 4: So no, I mean, beyond grateful and you know, and
Speaker 4: it's been such a joy to watch both of you
Speaker 4: grow up and and just be these amazing women and
Speaker 4: and kick ass. And that's you know, that's it's.
Speaker 3: Well, we learned it from women like you, truly, from
Speaker 3: watching women like you and and watching you all grow
Speaker 3: up and find your voices in your power and be
Speaker 3: really amazing women and grow up in an environment where
Speaker 3: we knew that we all had those opportunities. And you know, again,
Speaker 3: it was it was like a little magic fairy dust
Speaker 3: that sprinkled on that cast and that crew and that.
Speaker 2: Set that we existed the way.
Speaker 3: That we did, and you know, and in the safety
Speaker 3: and sort of cocoon of like a family, and it's.
Speaker 6: What we still bring out to the world. And I
Speaker 6: think that, yeah, and I think it really changed. I
Speaker 6: think we we I've talked to writers and stuff. We
Speaker 6: all take that spirit. Yes, wherever we go.
Speaker 3: To work, we just go we can have fun and
Speaker 3: do this and be and it'll.
Speaker 4: Be okay, and if not, we'll do something else.
Speaker 2: And if not yet exactly exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's where that strength comes in, and that just
Speaker 4: that confidence of knowing, you know, it's it can be good,
Speaker 4: it can be great. Yeah, I lively both. I adore you,
Speaker 4: joyful seeing what amazing women you are and all the
Speaker 4: great things you do and you Yeah, I just joy
Speaker 4: joy joy and cherry.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 4: Your mom would be so proud, Andrea. I I just
Speaker 4: I I adored her.
Speaker 5: I mean just yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1: She would have she would have loved this podcast. She
Speaker 1: would have but she would have been a guest with
Speaker 1: Janis for you.
Speaker 3: They would they would have had their own the two
Speaker 3: of them would have had their own podcast.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, you would have had to start.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that would be that would be now, that would
Speaker 4: be the behind the behind the scene.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, that was feeling yeah every week right, yes, indeed,
Speaker 3: Well my mom said to send her love as well,
Speaker 3: and she says, Hi, so yeah, this was.
Speaker 2: We're so glad that we got to have you on
Speaker 2: the show, Karen.
Speaker 3: Thank you for being such an important part of our
Speaker 3: of our life and our early careers.
Speaker 2: And we just love you and we will talk to you.
Speaker 5: So love you.
Speaker 4: You can.
Speaker 2: Oh there was so great. Gosh, I love her.
Speaker 1: That was that. I'm filled with My heart is so
Speaker 1: full right now, just like it's like no time had passed.
Speaker 3: It just feels like no time had passed and it's
Speaker 3: like I can still hear her voice as you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, Like just the it's like seeing old
Speaker 3: family again.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was so much more than just a job.
Speaker 1: You know, this was our this was our life, this
Speaker 1: this is this is family.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: What how what a great opportunity, Like I am so
Speaker 1: grateful for this podcast.
Speaker 9: We get to talk to people like we wouldn't have
Speaker 9: a reason to be like hey, Karen, let's go chat
Speaker 9: for an out like I mean we would, but there's
Speaker 9: this is this is just an easy opportunity to do well.
Speaker 2: And it's an easy opportunity. And I also I love.
Speaker 3: Letting fans and people peek into not just the cast
Speaker 3: because we were you know, we were the forward facing
Speaker 3: ones that everyone saw and yes we all have a
Speaker 3: family bond, but like getting to see all of the
Speaker 3: people behind the scenes that also talk about what an
Speaker 3: amazing group of people it was, and you know, I
Speaker 3: think it just it really helps our fan of Rito's
Speaker 3: really understand like why we loved doing it as much
Speaker 3: as we did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know.
Speaker 3: Talking about what it's like growing up in this business
Speaker 3: when when you have a good, positive experience you know,
Speaker 3: we we there's so much understandably, there's so much talked
Speaker 3: about and the horrible, painful, unsafe things that happen in
Speaker 3: this business that I'm glad that we get to be
Speaker 3: representative of, like a really positive experience. Yeah, and talk
Speaker 3: to people who you know, loved and cared about us
Speaker 3: and who still do and so's just a pretty pretty
Speaker 3: wonderful thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a feeling of hope. Like, it doesn't
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be negative. It doesn't have to Yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't, right, and the great it can be great.
Speaker 1: It can be wonderful and it can't. Yeah, if you
Speaker 1: if you have the right people in charge and taking
Speaker 1: care of others, Yeah, it can be a really wonderful experience.
Speaker 1: So but then it is it's you know, it's rare
Speaker 1: get opportunities like like we did with Full House and
Speaker 1: then to do it again, I just yeah, anyway, so
Speaker 1: much gratitude, so much gratitude, so so much gratitude. Well,
Speaker 1: I have absolutely loved doing this episode. So wonderful to
Speaker 1: see Karen again and fan Ritos, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for listening.
Speaker 2: We just we love you guys. We're so glad that
Speaker 2: we get to do that.
Speaker 3: Thanks for listening to this podcast, because like we get
Speaker 3: to have fun doing it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I would do this with you anyway. This
Speaker 2: doesn't even feel like you guys. I'm not saying that,
Speaker 2: but I was, like, you know it, just what a joy,
Speaker 2: What a joy this is. It's so many your face.
Speaker 3: A few times a week, we get to see people,
Speaker 3: old faces that we haven't seen in a while.
Speaker 2: It's great, and.
Speaker 1: Get to watch it or listen to it in real
Speaker 1: time too, like this is we haven't seen Karen in decades,
Speaker 1: and you just watched this reunion. You listen to this
Speaker 1: reunion happen right in front of you.
Speaker 2: And we're so happy for of us. So thank you
Speaker 2: so much.
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Speaker 2: Yeah got that right, Yeah. Boom boom,