WEBVTT - Some Time With... Karen Miller! (Part 2) 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:21.800 Hey there, Fanarido's welcome to part two of our interview 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:24.840 with Karen Miller. She was with us on Full House 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:28.560 since the very beginning and we are truly truly inspired 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:31.040 by her story of how she broke into the industry 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:33.680 and made her mark. We can't wait for you guys 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:35.839 to hear the rest of our conversation with her. So 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:39.440 without further ado, here's Karen just like the old gang 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:41.600 back together. They're like, you know, snickering in the in 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:44.879 the bleachers together and talking and then going backstage to 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:47.240 Crafty and yeah talking series as well. 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:49.600 Yeah, yeah, they did this. 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:52.680 They were in the seventies cruise seven almost said sea cruise, 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:55.560 but yeah, the seventies cruise. No, no, not sea crewse 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:57.640 that's the one we don't like. Seventies cruise was what 0:00:57.640 --> 0:00:58.680 did you think of sea Cruise? 0:00:58.720 --> 0:00:58.840 Do you? 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:01.760 Cruise was secret? Is the worst episode that we ever 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:02.400 did as a show. 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:03.520 Was a disaster? 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:08.640 Okay, oh okay, let's get let us know the I 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:11.560 mean other than it being a disaster as an episode 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:16.000 and janas Sweeten's least favorite episode, therefore making it just 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:18.360 the worst we've ever done. 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:19.479 But what happened? 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:22.400 And also you were like, wait, so early in this 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:27.080 series of a family show, we're doing that episode. 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:30.240 Yeah, that was the Yeah, that was my mom's issue 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:32.040 with it, and also that it just was like not 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:34.120 it didn't seem like us and also was just a 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:34.959 terrible episode. 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:36.960 It was and it was kind of like it was 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:38.800 like I don't even I wouldn't even say it was 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:41.800 the boy's fantasy to do that episode, but it turned 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:45.920 out to be this this weird episode and it was 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:48.480 the director if you remember that what you probably don't 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:50.760 remember it was the director at the time, it was 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:54.000 like there was a bunch of stuff that was that 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:57.240 created a really challenging week. 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:07.200 And who directed that episode, Tom Turpovich. That's right, I 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:08.919 remember there was a Then we were like, who the 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:11.280 hell is that guy? And we never saw his name again, 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:13.400 And now that's why, yeah, I. 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:16.160 Will I remember well remember that episode because if you 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:20.239 that was very early on, it was like it was 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:22.520 like the third I think Tom Miller was like going 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:24.520 to lose his mind because you know, it was one 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:28.639 of those also where yeah, okay, Tom, and I think 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:33.120 it was it was just so out of character for 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:38.120 Full House and then you know, there was that pivotal moment, 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:40.320 and maybe it was I don't you have to ask, 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:44.840 you know, Bob or Jeff. I suppose when that pivotal 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:49.000 moment came where it was that refocus which Tom and 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:52.360 Bob were so good on. Just remember that little that 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:53.480 he would just get that. 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:58.240 Tom, Yes, yes, yeah, he's getting it. Yeah. It was 0:02:58.320 --> 0:02:59.440 just a little something. 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:02.280 It was a little and it was just we saw 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:08.560 that shift in it being about the family and less 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:11.959 about the boys, you know, dating and well. 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:13.640 And I think because you know, we because we've had 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:15.640 Jeff on here a couple of times, but Jeff you know, 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:19.480 was saying that the show originally was about three comics 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:22.600 and the kids were kind of incidental to the story. 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:24.360 And then you know, they were like, well what about 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:26.960 a family thing. He's like, yeah, I could do that, 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:30.560 and like, you know, sure, here you go, and you know, 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:34.200 like you do in this business, you just go, I, yes, 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:37.360 that's actually I was thinking that too funny, you mexactly 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:39.960 and that's what he did. But I think, you know, 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:42.360 third or fourth episode in it was like, let's just 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:44.720 see if we can still and I think everyone went, 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:47.720 oh no, no, no, no, we've that we're not doing 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:48.160 that show. 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:52.320 Basically they didn't cancel us in that particular moment. It wasn't. 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:54.280 It was something that was like, you know, there's always 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:57.000 one episode or there's always one episode in every season 0:03:57.000 --> 0:03:59.080 that you're like, we're just going to bury that one. 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:04.120 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, there's we found some yeah yeah no. 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:07.240 That was that that always stood out to me, and that. 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:13.000 I'm telling you universally worst episode. Yeah yeah, everyone agrees. 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:15.280 That was so fun, Elie. 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:16.800 Can you imagine that? Karen was like, that was my 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:17.440 favorite episode. 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:19.720 I thought, so great, I have to end this podcast 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:25.320 really why? Yeah? 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:29.680 Uh so interesting choice. It's great, and you continue working today. 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:34.000 Okay, you have good taste, you have Wow? Yeah, I 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:35.520 see that turned around. 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:40.960 What other stories like, because Jody and I were back 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:43.200 in the school room for most of them, What do 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:44.960 you what can you tell us about the things that 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:46.440 we don't know that happened? 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:49.839 Any stories? Tell us more? What was the I. 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:52.400 Saw it on set, but it just was like I 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:55.520 remember being in the office and coming down to set 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:59.520 and just very early on realizing that you had to 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:02.760 watch what you said because even the most innocent of 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:07.480 things to Bob or Dave in particular, was I just 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:11.280 became a run on joke, and so you would just 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:14.800 you'd say something and it just became the attention was 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:18.599 quickly turned to you, which I was not in favor of. 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:21.960 I just kind of wanted to do my job. And 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:26.680 and but yes, I remembered. I just remember laughing all 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:27.680 the time. 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:29.000 All the time. 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:33.039 I remember. I just remember Bob always getting yelled at 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:34.479 by Joel because. 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:34.440 He was. 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:37.919 Because of the phone. 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:43.000 Oh my god, are okay the days before cell phones, 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:48.839 you guys, the days of hoarded phones were talking. Bob 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:52.320 was the worst with the phone, always on the phone, 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:55.560 always on the stage phone, always taking the call. And 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:58.240 Joel would lose his mind. And it was Bob was 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:01.400 super tall and Joel was super short, and Joel would 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:03.720 be yelling up at Bob and it was it was. 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:04.480 The funniest thing. 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:07.159 I mean, it happened all all right, and it. 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:09.400 Was and Joel would be losing his mind and Bob 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:12.200 was just a child and like laughing at and would 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:14.719 start going, oh no, he's mad. Oh and You're like, 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:18.880 oh my god, oh my god, Joel's gonna explode. And 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:22.320 it just it was the dynamic and they but yet 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:25.440 they like loved each other, like it wasn't without a doubt. 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:28.400 It was it was, you know, someone trying to get 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:32.120 something done who just yells by nature, and then a 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:34.200 class clown who's like, I'm gonna make this a joke. 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:34.560 Yeah. 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:37.520 And it was also it wasn't as if he took 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:40.159 the note in the room and then he just put 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:42.840 the phone away. He would just sneak it and then 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:44.640 he would go, you know, back to the picking up 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:48.080 the phone and making the call. And it was it 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:50.760 was brilliant. I mean, it was just it was comedy 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:51.480 at its best. 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:52.800 Bob. 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:56.279 Bob just provided so much fun. I mean, I remember 0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:59.120 being in San Francisco. We were shooting in San Francisco 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:02.960 and we had I think we'd all flown out of Burbank. 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:05.120 We all flew to San Francisco. We were all in 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:09.320 this hotel. We were going over the bridge to sell Sasolito. 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:12.200 We were going to Sasillito, and it was Dave who 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:15.360 yelled out, oh, it's the entire cast, the whole house, 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:20.000 out the window, driving over the Golden gate Bridge, waving 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:22.320 at people. And this was at a time when you 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:25.360 knew who the cast was, like fourth season and so 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:29.120 literally and we're in like a fifteen person or passenger van. Okay, 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:32.680 we look like we're going to like county jail or 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:33.800 I don't know, so you know what I mean, We're 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:37.560 all like fifteen of us sitting in there waving every 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:40.200 you know. And Dave was yelling out the window and 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:45.960 I remember my mom, you shit dying, laughing, dying, laughing. 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:49.280 Just and there was a morning when I think Bob 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:53.440 either his call time was later, but he decided he 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:55.920 was going to go for a jog. And I don't 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:57.880 know that Bob actually exercised. 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:02.960 I remember it. No, he wasn't going for a job. 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:03.480 That was a lie. 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:05.320 What was he He said he was going to go 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:07.920 to a for a job. So he ran from the hotel, 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:12.560 which I don't know how he ran to down to 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:12.960 the pier. 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:14.280 Okay. 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:17.440 He called me and he said, yeah, you know it's 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:18.800 there's a lot of hills here. 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:23.880 Right, That's yeah, going down to the pier is one thing. 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:26.000 Getting back up to the hotel. 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:29.920 I can't run back up the hill. So can you 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:31.040 send a driver for me? 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:33.520 And I was my season. 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:36.360 I said, Bob, they're all on location. I don't have 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:38.560 a driver, right, And I was just like, well, what 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:41.760 do you, well, what do I do? And I I 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:44.600 became that mall. I become I became mom. And I 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:50.079 was like, oh, so do you see a taxi? Right, 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:51.880 hail the taxi, raise. 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:52.920 Your hand, get it. 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:57.120 I don't have any money. Oh okay, get back to 0:08:57.200 --> 0:09:01.640 the hotel. Tell the driver you need to run up 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:04.840 to your room to go get money. He'll wait for 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:08.480 you because he wants to get paid, right, Okay, okay, yeah, 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:11.720 I can do all that. And that's and I was like, 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:14.360 oh my god, I love you, Bob. And so that 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:20.280 he did, yeah, yeah, now he was that. That was yeah, 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:22.600 one of those moments I'm like, okay, yeah, I don't. 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:27.080 I can't really help you. That's such a bombing moment, 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:33.079 so out of character. Also to go jog, but I'm like, okay. 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:35.480 He was probably like, I'm just gonna go for a quick, 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:37.960 little easy run take in the city. It's pretty. And 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:41.600 then he was like, oh my god, these hills is right, 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:46.040 And then he got an elephant or a horse, which 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:49.720 he could ride back through the streets of San Francisco, 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:51.559 as apparently is so easy to do. 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:52.199 It was. 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:56.839 It was one of those moments where I was like, okay, yeah, no, 0:09:57.040 --> 0:10:00.480 I I there were a lot of little things like that, right, 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:02.160 it was like oh, by the way, oh yeah, we 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:05.320 haven't really figured that piece out, or how do we 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:08.920 do that? And you know, you kind of you knew 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:11.920 that they were fully functioning adult, right, but we also 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:17.320 were an environment that you know, things were done for you, right, 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:19.960 And so I think when you step out of that 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:23.480 stage and you're on location, you're expecting sometimes that things 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:27.120 also that will just be done for you. And it's like, well, 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:31.040 actually this is going to mirror your real life more, right, right. 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:36.280 Actually, actually everyone's busy doing their jobs, right. 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:39.439 But I don't that never change. I'm going to say 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:40.600 that didn't change. 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:42.880 Throughout fuller And none of this is said in a 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:47.559 mean way, but definitely it was like I think the 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:49.800 guys always were like, well, can't somebody do that? And 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:53.199 you were like, no, you can do that, and that 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:57.240 even our fur was like just just go do the thing, exactly, 0:10:57.679 --> 0:10:59.040 just go do the thing for yourself. 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:04.439 No, and again always like with always with joy and 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:05.640 one right. 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:07.400 And then they'd be like oh oh. 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:11.720 Yeah yeah yeah yeah, but just the thought that like it, 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:14.000 you know, this might be inconvenience. 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:17.600 Yeah, yeah, it's a life of a producer. You have 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:21.000 to multitask and problem solve twenty four hours a day. 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:23.760 But it's the hardest. Like people who can't stop creating 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:25.000 problems often to. 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:30.440 Just again are so completely lovely and innocent to some 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:33.240 degree about it, right, Like there is this resence about it. 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:35.720 It was never malicious, nobody knew. Like our cast, we 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:39.360 didn't have malicious egotistical. It was just like, hey, could 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:41.640 you do that thing? And You're like, I've got seventeen 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:44.440 drivers and I need nineteen and. 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:48.200 So no, I can't sacrifice one of them for you 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:48.800 right now. 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:51.640 Like but it was just it was like oh yeah, 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:53.040 oh yeah, oh no, I can do that. 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:55.920 I'm like, oh, okay, I'll see you that well. 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:57.960 It's also you know that I always tell the story 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:01.679 about the cow under the table on four House, you know, 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:04.280 when when we were staying there and there's a very 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:07.640 obvious large cow that is not going to fit under 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:11.319 the table, and Jeff's standing there and going, huh so 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:14.360 you can't fit the cow under the table, you know, 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:19.160 and like as a producer you have to go, I, 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:21.640 you know, I let me see, we're going to need 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:23.520 a smaller cow or a bigger table. 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:27.240 Because why would they rewrite that bit? 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:32.120 And you just and you question your reality, going does 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:35.079 everyone else seeing this cow the same size as I am? 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:35.600 Okay? 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:37.640 Yeah, Like you can make that work, can't you? 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:39.320 Right? Right right? 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:42.880 And that's work, and that's what you do as a 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:45.600 producer and speaking of it, and you must have done it 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:48.760 very very well because after Full House, I mean you 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:53.160 went into some pretty amazing leadership roles at Disney and 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:57.920 NBC Universal and like more in the sort of content 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:00.439 acquisition side of things. 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:05.040 So you were killing it. Car, Thank you. 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:09.439 I I feel so privileged. I feel so privileged that 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:13.120 that really was This what I will say is the 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:16.280 start of my career and something that you know, I 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:20.080 learned so much. You learned, you just you learned because 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:21.520 you had to be you had to be in your feet, 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:23.280 you had to think, you had to act, You had 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:26.559 to solve problems. You know, you had to you had 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:30.000 to show up in a way you would to show 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:34.720 up almost you know, better than than what was expected 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:35.080 of you. 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:38.080 Right, Like you know that, well, sitcoms sort of demand that, 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:40.800 like it's it's a yes, there's a routine to it, 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:44.400 but it's also like a constantly moving machine that doesn't 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:47.720 slow down, and you've got four or five days to 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:50.840 fix the problems, and really you've got like two or 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:52.640 three days to fix the problems because you're shooting the 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:53.760 problems by day four. 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:05.080 To be in the Miller Boyette family and then and 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:06.960 then being able to because that that was the time 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:10.400 also where there was a there was this myth going 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:13.560 around that tape was going to end and you had 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:15.760 to learn film and you had to be on a 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:18.319 film show because film shows were going to replace all 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:20.920 tape shows. And so I went to Bob and Tom 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:22.880 and I was like, I need to be on a 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:25.640 film show, Like, what what have you got? So I 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:28.320 did the Hog and so I did the syndication for 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:33.120 a Full House, and then I went to do the 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:36.400 Hogan Family. And that was at the time when Sandy 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:39.440 Duncan was was in a. 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:44.120 Rally or yeah that was I did Valerie around that, Yeah, 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:44.760 so we did. 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:48.880 So I did that and then I did I did 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:53.120 a ton of shows for Miller Boyette, which was amazing. 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:56.520 Step by step not ever really family matters. I mean 0:14:56.560 --> 0:15:00.240 yet family matters. Step by step. Then me go, do 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:05.760 you remember Miga with Bronson Pinchot and Jonathan Vickey. That 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:07.920 was actually a Bigley Warren. That was a big Lee. 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:12.040 That was big Okay. So I did those and then 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:15.880 and I was at Warner for seventeen years in an amazing, 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:21.160 amazing career. And then I had always dealt with the 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:26.840 post production team and the production supervisors. And so they 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:30.520 had an animated series that they were it was it 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:34.040 was during the it was during when the WB Network 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:38.160 was on the air, and so they they said, well, 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:41.240 you you're a good producer, can you do this animated series? 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:45.320 And so I went and jumped to do to do 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:47.920 Baby Blues, which was written, which was based on a 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:52.840 comic strip. And so I did that and I did 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:56.720 not know animation. I had never done that before. I 0:15:57.400 --> 0:16:00.320 a very very very very different world. I you know, 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:03.440 jumped right in and learned very quickly. And I had 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:06.960 two amazing producers, Jeff Martin and Pete Aco. We did 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:10.560 that for two seasons and that, of course, animation takes forever. 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:14.880 And then at some point I jumped to they were like, okay, 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:17.000 you can do a challenging show. Now you need to 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:21.520 go to the Oblongs, which remember Deborah Oppenheimer, Yeah, Deborah 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:26.360 Oppenheimer and Bruce Hilford were across the oblong so I 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:30.280 jumped and did that and then I was lucky enough 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:33.680 to I think. I went to Disney after that in 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:38.120 content acquisitions, in global content acquisitions, and that was amazing, 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:42.000 and then to NBC and to some indies. I worked 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:44.880 for an Italian company. I worked for a French company 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:50.800 and now running the Mo Williams company, which is called 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:56.640 Hidden Pigeons. So and your kids are probably the right demo. 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:00.880 So Elephant and Piggy, do you were remember those books 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:04.119 or the Pigeon Don't let the Pigeon Drive the Bus? 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:05.040 I remember that. 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:07.879 Yeah, I read the Pigeon ones. Yes, I think b was. 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:10.960 I think b was. They'd been out a little while 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:14.040 because she's fourteen now, but yeah, I definitely, yeah remember. 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:16.080 So I just remember. 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:18.200 Don't let the pigeon drive the bus, because how many 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:19.760 times have I said that, you know what I mean, 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:20.840 it's just over and over. 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:21.800 You got to remind. 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:24.960 People don't let the pigeon drive the pigeon. Yes, mine, 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:28.600 and let's find and love it. 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:32.119 And it's just amazing. So yeah, I mean again, I 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:38.320 think you know right place, right time, hard work, incredible 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:42.280 mentors and tons of support, you know, whether it was 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:48.160 family or extended family that allowed me to have a 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:52.800 great career and raise two amazing kids who are both 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:55.399 in the industry, which I did try to prevent that, 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:59.360 but but somehow the mirroring of the way we were 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:02.720 raised in the industry was something that they they saw 0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:05.359 and they they're both in now. 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:10.479 So yeah, I mean, incredibly wonderful positive experiences in this 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:12.640 business that we are both. 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:16.359 You know, Christopher is a production manager over at Bento 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:19.760 box On. He was on Bob's Burgers for years. 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:22.359 And now oh yes, right North so. 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:26.640 I oh, okay, oh cool, So he loves it. He's 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:30.160 been with them forever. And Olivia is at NBC Universal. 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:37.840 She does social media, so she's across Bravo and E Content. Yeah, so, 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:41.840 I mean it's just amazing. So it's yeah, really so 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:46.399 incredibly proud, and and they're just they're such good people 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:51.440 and they have such good strong worth work ethics and 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:53.280 just lovely, lovely. 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:57.040 It's well, I mean, I'm not surprised. Yeah, it's not 0:18:57.480 --> 0:18:59.080 that apple. Those apples did not. 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:02.679 Fall far from the try. It's how do you how. 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:05.280 Is the business you think changed like from one I 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:09.119 mean other than in every way possible. But from the 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:11.800 time that like we were doing you know, full House 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:14.639 and kind of starting there to where it is now, 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:18.359 I feel like it's just so different in so many ways, 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:21.480 and yet it's still the same sort of the same 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:23.360 grind and the same like. 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:26.160 Weird priorities of you know what I mean. 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:29.760 But like, but at the same time, the entire model 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:31.760 of it has so changed and shifted. 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:33.920 It's become I mean, I think there was just sense of, 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:37.120 you know, there was just a sense of I think, 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:42.440 more freedom and more fun. And you had you had 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:44.600 more chances, right to get it. 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:45.520 Right, right. 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:48.240 Yeah, you had twenty two episodes in a season, and 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:51.080 we've talked about a lot of the filler episodes that 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:51.359 you're like. 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:53.840 Yeah, sometimes you just kind of had to go shilt 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:54.200 that one. 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:56.760 Just waste twenty two minutes of air time, can figure 0:19:56.760 --> 0:19:57.280 it out, you know. 0:19:57.440 --> 0:19:59.240 But I think and I think you had there was 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:03.399 an opportunity to let an audience grow, and there was 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:05.719 just also I feel like, you know, certainly there was 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:09.119 not the social media, that was not the all of 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:12.119 the cameras in your face all the time, which I 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:17.480 can't imagine how that is as an actor, and so 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:22.399 you know, yeah, and there's been so much consolidation with 0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:25.879 buyers and networks and streaming. 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:27.840 Platforms and so, you know, you. 0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:30.400 Make you feel like you're moving forward, and then it's 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:34.920 four steps back because they're spending less on content. They're 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:39.080 making ten episodes. You know, if it doesn't catch on 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:43.600 like fire, you know, beginning, then you don't have a chance. 0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:46.439 There's also so much content, it's hard to get people 0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:47.960 the eyeballs on it. 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:49.600 I was gonna say, it's really hard. 0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:49.800 You know. 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:52.800 In the beginning, when it was like two streaming services, 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:54.080 you were like, oh, well, is it. 0:20:54.000 --> 0:20:54.920 On this one or this one. 0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:56.919