1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: This is Seahawks Stories fiftieth season edition, presented by Emerald 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: City Athletics. 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of Seahawks Stories fiftieth season edition. 4 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 2: We are taking you through the best players in franchise history, 5 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 2: position group by position group, and we're pulling back the 6 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:21,479 Speaker 2: curtain on some of the stories that you might not 7 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 2: have heard before. I'm your host, Jen Mueller, joined today 8 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 2: by Dave Bowling, longtime beat writer for the Tacoma News Tribune. Dave, 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 2: how does it feel to be on the other side 10 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 2: of this, on the hot seat since you were normally 11 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 2: the ones asking the questions? 12 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 1: I'm okay, I think. 13 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 2: I think you are understated. 14 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: Well, you know, you and I have spent a lot 15 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: of time on the sidelines together back when media guys 16 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: used to be able to watch practices. So it's like 17 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: just another chat with Jen on the side. 18 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 2: Oh I do love that. Maybe that's kind of the 19 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 2: next iteration of this, another chat with Jen on the sidelines. 20 00:00:58,320 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 2: We'll market you can. 21 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: Teach you how to cook, give me some you know 22 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: I can't. I can't. I can't do poached eggs. 23 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 2: Okay, Well we'll work on that. 24 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 1: We'll come up. 25 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 2: They really me, They vex you. You know what I 26 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 2: think vexes a lot of people though, is offensive line 27 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 2: and evaluating offensive line. And before we get into some 28 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 2: of the greatest offensive linemen, and the Seahawks have had 29 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 2: some really good ones over the years. It always amazed 30 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 2: me that you were the one that was standing watching 31 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 2: the offensive lineman and it took me years to realize 32 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 2: you were a former offensive lineman. 33 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: Well, I was undersized, and so one of the things 34 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: that you get when you're an undersized college lineman is 35 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: you get knocked on your ass a lot. You actually 36 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: physic you know, people say I've been knocked down a 37 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: lot in life. I really have, you know, literally, and 38 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: you you know, and and what is a characteristic of 39 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: all these guys, even the even the great talents. Offensive 40 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: linemen are playing against better athletes on the defensive line 41 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: almost exclusively, and they when they're starting out, they get 42 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: beat and you learn you have no choices. You can't 43 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: dig a hole in the field to hide in. You 44 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 1: got to come back the next play, wipe the blood 45 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: out of your nose, and find a way to beat 46 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: the guy. And that's why I think offensive linemen tend 47 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: to be kind of they're fun guys. They have a 48 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 1: good perspective, They understand their great teammates generally, they understand 49 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 1: helping each other good. It's really a well coordinated group. 50 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: When they are good and you get your ass kicked, 51 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:41,399 Speaker 1: you get up and you do it again and find 52 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: a way to win. And I think that's one of 53 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: the characteristics that make watching offensive lines come together, grow 54 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: ripe and mature over time to become a really forceful unit. 55 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 2: You talk about them being a fun group. I'm gonna 56 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 2: be honest, Dave, I think I have some different opinions 57 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 2: on this. I have loved all the guys I've covered, 58 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 2: but I think back to when I first started being 59 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 2: around the team. I'm thinking Robbie Tobek, Steve Hutchinson, and 60 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 2: while I know they were fun loving as a group, 61 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 2: you know what, they were not fun to do talk 62 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 2: to in interviews. 63 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: Robbie Tobek maybe the best Robbie to ever, maybe the 64 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:29,399 Speaker 1: best ever to sit and talk to. And maybe he 65 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: wasn't as loose. 66 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: Maybe maybe I hadn't built the relationship. 67 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: As the time. You have to. Yeah, you know, they 68 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: have to grow, you have to earn their trust. 69 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 2: But they had like their own inner workings like inside jokes, 70 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 2: like I remember in an interview or I'm trying to 71 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 2: get those guys to talk, and the only thing they 72 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 2: did was quote movie lines over and over and over again. 73 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 2: And I couldn't figure out if I was the butt 74 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 2: of the joke or if they did that to everybody. 75 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 2: Come to find out, that's kind of what they did 76 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 2: to everybody. 77 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: Water was not a voluble individual. Walter Jones to everybody. 78 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: He was great with his teammates and whatever. But even then, 79 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: I mean, one time somebody came through, it was a 80 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: it was a young guy, a young player coming through 81 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: and said, Hey, did you Walt, did you talk to that? 82 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: Have you met so? And so he says, no, I 83 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: know everybody I need to know. And and that's how 84 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: That's kind of how Walter. That's kind of how Walter was. 85 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: And it's so wonderful to see him now. I think 86 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: I think when he retired he said something like this, 87 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: at last you'll see me. I'm gonna be in an 88 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: ole mana and you'll never see me again. And he's 89 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: part of the community, and he's fun. He's a fun 90 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: interview and you know, he's involved in things that require 91 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: him to communicate and he's great and he's great at it. 92 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: But but yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't agree with you 93 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: on that group basically because Robbie Toback was but such 94 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: an interview star I had trouble to go to somebody 95 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: else because I know he was going to give me 96 00:04:57,839 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 1: a money quote. 97 00:04:59,200 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 2: That's true. 98 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: And how he and the relationship centers and quarterbacks are 99 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: always close is a physical thing. Obvious. We don't need 100 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,679 Speaker 1: to go into that. But but quarterbacks and centers really 101 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 1: are are best friends a lot of times. And and 102 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: Hasselback and Tobec and I think Tobec had it with 103 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: Bledsoe too at WSU pranks on each other and do 104 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: goofy stuff and always always real tight. 105 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 2: Okay, So if Robbie Tobek was your number one interview. 106 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: Before we really one of them disicult, before. 107 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 2: We get into physical trace of offensive linemen, your top 108 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 2: five offensive linemen to interview. 109 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, Robbie was good. The rest of the Chris Gray, 110 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: Chris Gray was fun because he was a bulldog. Yes, 111 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: bless his heart. He did not have the talent that 112 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: some of the others on that line had, but Chris 113 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: was from the off he was tough. He was tougher 114 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: than tree bark and he would come out of within 115 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: two days of the start of training camp he got 116 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 1: his nose would be bloodied and every time he'd walk 117 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: off the field there would be blood just dripping down 118 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 1: his face. And from the end of July to January 119 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: he had a bloody forehead and nose. And that's what 120 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,679 Speaker 1: he did. He's stuck at was his job. He stuck 121 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: his face in somebody else's sternum, and he did it relentlessly. 122 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: And sometimes he would get beat and you would see him. 123 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: You swear he was on his back, rolling over trying 124 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: to bite the calf of a defensive tackle as he 125 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: was going past. Tenacious and always in there, yes, and 126 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 1: always in there. And you know he was not the 127 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: best of interviews, but boy, you know, you just you 128 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: get to see these people and you watch them and 129 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: what they go through and what they put into the 130 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: game and how much they devote themselves to it. You know, 131 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: we're objective. You got to be objective with the team. 132 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: You're not pulling for anything. You kind of pull for 133 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: guys that you just admire. Sure, and a lot of 134 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: those guys where people I really respected and then you 135 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: go in and it makes it hard. You go in 136 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: after a game. I don't have that. I don't know 137 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: how you can do it. I don't have the heart 138 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: to say, why do you guys lose today? Or what 139 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: was the You know, it's really hard, very different conversation, 140 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: and they don't You don't want to be the person 141 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: who makes them try to, especially after they're exhausted. They 142 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: get bones sticking out sometimes, and then you got to 143 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: ask tough questions about this was a loss and they 144 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: beat you and this and that, and sometimes I just 145 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: I'll just kind of bail on that. I'll just go 146 00:07:58,320 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: to the back. 147 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 2: And I'm not doing that well. 148 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: As a columnist, which I was twenty some years at 149 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: at the Newest Tribute, I didn't have to cover it 150 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: like a beat, so I could describe. I could I 151 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: could get four graphs describing the disconsolate look and the 152 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: blood and the bones and all that sort of thing, 153 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: and to be a little more sympathetic and a little 154 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: less sanguine with with with the questions. But then there's 155 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: been there's been a lot through the years. Max Hunger 156 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: was a very intelligent guy, probably the best center they've 157 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: ever had. It was an all pro on a great team. 158 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: Was vastly missed yep in his absence, and he was 159 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: really good. You go way back, and I'll go back, 160 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: and I see on our list Edwin Pearl Bailey, they 161 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: called him Pearl. People now wouldn't know who Pearl Bailey is. 162 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,959 Speaker 1: But when I talked with John Nordstrom at some length 163 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: and the of the first ownership group and managing general 164 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: partner and grandfather to the franchise, really and John said 165 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: Edwin was one of his favorite players. When they had 166 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: the old headquarters. He would take a bus to the headquarters, 167 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: a city bus and bring his own lunch. He'd packed 168 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: a brown bag for lunch. And you know, he's an 169 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: old Southern guy. Yeah, and he had no pretense that. 170 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if he owned a car, but he 171 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: would take a bus, take the bus, and it certainly 172 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: I have to guess that was the last person who's 173 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: ever brown bag did. 174 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,959 Speaker 2: To the facility, to the facility, maybe taking a bus 175 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 2: to the facility. 176 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: And was Annie was a great player, and he was 177 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: an awful fun guy as well. 178 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 2: We are broadcasting from the Seahawks Podcast Studio, presented by Sony, 179 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 2: the Official Headphones partner of the Seattle Seahawks. We have 180 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 2: asked a bullying about his favorite offensive lineman to interview. 181 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 2: What about your favorite player when you would stand and 182 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 2: watch practice. I mean, I have a guess, but it 183 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 2: might just be too obvious. Who was your favorite offensive 184 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 2: lineman to watch technique on and just to watch their 185 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 2: day to day? 186 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: You know, Walter is the one, you would say, obviously. 187 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: Walter was so gifted physically that the technical part of 188 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: it was secondary. He had the feet of a dancer. 189 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: He had the hands of Muhammad Ali. Yeah, you just 190 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: get him on you and you were stuck. And I 191 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: think his greatness it was fun to watch, but only 192 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: when there was really somebody who was playing against him. 193 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: First date, Chad Brown told me this story. Three time 194 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: Pro Bowl linebacker probably should have worked his way into 195 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. I mean, he was on that trajectory. 196 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: I don't think the Seahawks used him that well. Spectacular 197 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: come from the Steelers, and the year before he got here, 198 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: he had one game where he was going to get 199 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: Tony Bisselli All Pro tackle gold standard of the day, 200 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: and he beat him three times on the same move 201 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: for a sack or maybe two sacks in a horizon, 202 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: an unbelievable thing. That's why the Seahawks paid all the 203 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: money to get him. He shows up Walter Jones held 204 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: out as a rookie. So it was at some point 205 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: later in the camp and pass per Tech Individual Pass 206 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: Pro first day Walter's in there, rookie. They line up 207 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: Chad Brown next across from him to obviously see what 208 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: this kid's got. Chad tells me that he had that 209 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: one move was an inside out and kind of juke, 210 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: and it was and he was very quick. He was 211 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: going to let the rookie know, you know, you got 212 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 1: some things to learn and welcome to the NFL. Pal 213 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: and Jad said he got Stonewall twice in a row 214 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: and made nothing. He got his hand, Walter got his 215 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: hands on him and he got nothing. That was it. 216 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 2: That is, by the way, my favorite drill to watch. 217 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 2: It's everybody's favorite drill to watch. It's the past pro 218 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 2: and just to see what those. 219 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: You know, you know, Max Hunger had another one that 220 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: was great. He and Brandon me being used to go 221 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: at it all the time. And Brandon, as you know, 222 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: I used to kind of kid him. I thought he 223 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: was built like a weebel, you know, he's got that 224 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: low center gravity. You couldn't knock him down. And he 225 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: was I think, kind of one of the unsung heroes 226 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 1: of the Legion of Boom. He with all those big personalities, 227 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,599 Speaker 1: he was just a guy who went in there and 228 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: he gobbled up blockers and did his job and didn't 229 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: ask for attention, you know, and he didn't get it. 230 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: He was fine well when he and Max would go 231 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: together go against each other, and usually they do one 232 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: or two. After a while, they were you know, well regarded. 233 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: They didn't need all the work. But I did a 234 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: column about it, asking them how, asking Brandon, how does 235 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: Max Hunger make you better? And asking Max how does 236 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: how does Brandon make you better? And it was it 237 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: was a real interesting, obvious great respect yep. And but 238 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: still yeah, sure on I wouldn't beat him, you know. Yeah, 239 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,439 Speaker 1: And but that was another one that you could see 240 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,839 Speaker 1: the real greatness of Max Hunger brought out by Brandon mebank. 241 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 2: You know the point that you mentioned though, that I 242 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 2: think gets under probably not talked about it at all. 243 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 2: I was going to say, Under said, that's actually not 244 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 2: a word. I can find better words than that. What 245 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 2: doesn't get talked about is you can talk about the 246 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 2: offensive line working together on their own and those guys 247 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 2: work their tails off, but there's also the measure of 248 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 2: the level of defensive players they practice against every day. 249 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 2: It's the iron sharpening iron. So you can't just look 250 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 2: at that position group as just an offensive unit because 251 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 2: the Seahawks have benefited from some really good defense. 252 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:17,959 Speaker 1: Michael Bennett. Michael Benn, that's the one I was thinking 253 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: that in that setting, and again it was how did 254 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: he define himself against the best players? Well, if you 255 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: probably I never really did chart the fights. I was 256 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: there for a number and the fracases. But Brenda Jackamini 257 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: right tackle, and he's he was a Louisville guy, so 258 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: I'm kind of a fellow at alum and he's twice 259 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: my size. But you know, over fifty years things changed. 260 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: But he you know, there are a lot of teams 261 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: that could really could have used subsequent Seahawks teams could 262 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: have really used him. And he had some penalties and 263 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: he had some breakdowns, but man, that dude was tough 264 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: and he's not taken anything. And Michael Bennett is a 265 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: scary dude when he brings when he gets the samurai eyes. 266 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: You know, oh man is watch out and and he'll 267 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: he might get held up a little bit, and he's 268 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: coming back the next one and the fists are flying 269 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: and he's getting in there no matter what. Well that 270 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: was those two really had some bouts, and that's what 271 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: you wanted to write. Tackle Chris Terry was an earlier 272 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: right tackle who was really great. You know, it's just 273 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: a tough guy. It's gonna maybe maybe he doesn't have 274 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: the feet in the hands of a left tackle, but 275 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: he does what he has to do. 276 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 2: I would also point out it wasn't just the fact 277 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 2: that they had spirited practices against each other. You walked 278 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 2: off the field and they were friends in the locker room. 279 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 2: I want to make sure that we're not mischaracterizing these 280 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 2: guys as just kind of out there. Although I've never 281 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 2: heard samurai eyes before. That one's new, but that is 282 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 2: a very accurate. 283 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: And you know, when you see it, it's like their 284 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: bulging and red lines and the veins in the face. 285 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 2: The intensity that just ratchets up. 286 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: And then when you've got Cliff Favoril on the other 287 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: side that ben at in April were such close friends. 288 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: Yes that when they got together, they were. 289 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 2: You know, they didn't close. 290 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: No, no, no, this is this is guy, this is 291 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: We're gonna have problems. And then they turned into and 292 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: you look at the super Bowl they lost. You know, 293 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: Bennett was just unbelievable and and you could really tell 294 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: Cliff's influence once he got once he got hurt, and 295 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: I think that maybe more than the play call at 296 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: the end, made the difference in the game. 297 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 2: Absolutely agreed this NFL season. Feel every play, every hit, 298 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 2: every moment with a Sony one thousand x five noise 299 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 2: canceling headphones. The official had phones of the Seattle Seahawks 300 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 2: with premium noise cancelation. You are in the zone, no distractions, 301 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 2: just pure football. Whether you are in your living room 302 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 2: or on the go, You'll never miss a beat with 303 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 2: Sony headphones. Now we have transitioned into the more recent 304 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 2: versions of the offensive line, but let's go back to five, 305 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 2: the Seahawks first trip to the Super Bowl. The left 306 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 2: side of that line, it's unequivocally the best in franchise history, right. 307 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: Maybe football history, maybe NFL. And I want to be 308 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 1: sure when we talk of the left side, we include 309 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: the center because Hutch and Walter Jones Hall. 310 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 2: Of Hall of Famers. 311 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: Robbie kind of held that group together. I think he 312 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 1: was a veteran force. He calmed everybody down. He always 313 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,479 Speaker 1: had everybody laughing. They' getting a huddle. He would cracks 314 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: a joke at hassleback. It might be a prettyical time 315 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 1: in the game. Everybody's tight. He could break up the group. 316 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: And then Chris Gray, of course, was very complementary in 317 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: that you watch some of the great plays, Like one 318 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: of the ones that you always see highlight of Walter 319 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: is coming out in the in the championship game against 320 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: Carolina where he blocked some Schmow thirty yards into the 321 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: end zone. Sensational hutch comes in, he's cutting pursuit. But 322 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 1: to make that play work, Robbie had to do an 323 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: a gap reach on the playside defensive tackle. That's a 324 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: tough block to make at any level in the NFL. 325 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 1: You know, that's a guy who could come in and 326 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: change change the backs route. So that's another example. Okay, 327 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: we all look at at Walter's performance on that one 328 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 1: and it's spectacular. He's such an athlete. But you know 329 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: it's how the you can have four guys do a 330 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: great job, and if one guy botches it, the play 331 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: is shot well. 332 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 2: And I think some of that also goes to those 333 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 2: guys could read each other's minds. They ye so many 334 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 2: so long, they had so many reps. Are we going 335 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 2: to see that across the league ever again? And I 336 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 2: mean for an extended period of time. There are so 337 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 2: many teams that invest in the offensive line, But the 338 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 2: way the league is going, will we ever see that? 339 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 1: You know, I couldn't predict where what it is and 340 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 1: I'm you know now, I look at college football is 341 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: even less structured, and part of that is are people 342 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 1: going to the greatest athletes? And I talked had a 343 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: good talk with Howard Mudd about this, so they'll see 344 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: one of the great line coaches and in linemen in 345 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: the league. And he was a real fixture here and 346 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: really help Walter become a pro. And I ask him 347 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: why there aren't enough off good offensive linemen to go around. 348 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,360 Speaker 1: So when you start drafting and you make a mistake, 349 00:19:55,880 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: it hurts you for a generation, right, or somebody gets 350 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,719 Speaker 1: hurt or something something else and it doesn't work out. 351 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: It's a it's it's a real problem because you just 352 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: can't go find them, they're not making them. And part 353 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: of it, according to Howard, was first of all, if 354 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: if a talented young big guy is coming up, he 355 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: wants to play where he's going to make the most money, 356 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 1: gets sacks who you know who? 357 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 2: Right, you're going to switch over and play defense. 358 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: All the miss athletes are going to play defense because 359 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: that's when you can you can really use your physical advantage. 360 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: And and also the college game has gone to spread offense, 361 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: three step drops quick, you know quick grads, balls gone 362 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: splits like three yards wide. It's a different it's a 363 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 1: different game. And they don't have to hold the blocks 364 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 1: as long there run blocks. They are always with angle leverage. 365 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: It's a big difference. It's a big difference. They're not learning, 366 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: they're not preparing now. When they had the World League 367 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: that it was something that that they thought was a 368 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 1: developmental league that really helped quarterbacks an offensive line. Yeah, 369 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: they don't and they don't have that now. And that's 370 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,239 Speaker 1: why I always I laugh at this skilled position and 371 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 1: this is just this. 372 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,120 Speaker 2: Is you would like to be in that. 373 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 1: Sore point for me. And because you know, you talk 374 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: about taking on somebody like von Miller or you know, 375 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: half a dozen of these new guys. You you've got 376 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: to be real skilled. 377 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 2: Yes, while you're moving backwards most of the time you 378 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 2: would like to be moving forward. Often you're moving backwards. 379 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 1: It's a that's a tough technique. And a lot of 380 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 1: that is you know your feet, your balance and your 381 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: setup and and those are the things you could watch 382 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 1: and learn when you see guys in practice and then 383 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: people you can't do it, you can watch. 384 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 2: I could just look and be like, that looks really cool. 385 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 2: And I couldn't do that, But I couldn't tell you 386 00:21:57,920 --> 00:21:59,199 Speaker 2: what was right or wrong about that. 387 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: You could Walter Jones, they step back. You look at 388 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 1: his balance. You could drive a truck into. 389 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 2: Him, people truck. 390 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 1: And it wouldn't knock him back. He had that, he 391 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 1: had the sand, he had the lower body leverage and 392 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: and then the great hands, and he just was It 393 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 1: was just a joy. It was, it was. It was perfect. 394 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 1: You can know when somebody's getting beat or and not 395 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: ready for it if you seem cross their feet trying 396 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 1: to catch up. Walter never changed his and he'd get 397 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 1: that outside shoulder and once he did that dead door closed. 398 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: You know. So that was it was. That was a 399 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: lot of fun. Well, they're not and they're just not making. 400 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 2: It's true, they don't. They do not. 401 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: They're very rare. There there are some and there's great 402 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 1: linemen and they're coming in and they're earning their money. 403 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 2: What what do you make? This is my last question 404 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 2: for you is we're talking to Dave Bowling Hair, long 405 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 2: time writer cons for the Tacoma News Tribune, has watched 406 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 2: thousands of hours of Seahawks practice, done thousands of interviews. 407 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: Since nineteen eighty nine. Yeah. 408 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 2: Still, yeah, that's it's crazy, like your Yeah, the amount 409 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 2: of knowledge that you have. 410 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't sell that too hard. 411 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:22,239 Speaker 2: But we mentioned what Walter Jones went on to do 412 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 2: after leaving the game. We see him on TV, he's 413 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 2: in the community. When you think about what these guys 414 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 2: did after they left football, does anything surprise you or 415 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 2: is it what you would have expected some of these 416 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 2: big personalities, hardcore football guys to have. 417 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: Done from alignment aspect. No, again, maybe I'm biased, but 418 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: I tend to think they're a very intelligent group on 419 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: the whole. They have the perspective of being somewhat less 420 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: than hampered at all times. They are expected to do 421 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 1: the dirty work your mouth shut. And you know, if 422 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 1: you just locate a thumb, you kind of just grab 423 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: it and pop it back in. And those are the 424 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: kind of people who can generally succeed in whatever they do. 425 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: I've been knocked on my ass, give me another chance. 426 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 1: I'll go in and do better. And you know, I'm 427 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: not surprised anything that anything positive that these guys are 428 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: capable of doing. Now, you know, you get some bad 429 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 1: advice maybe from somebody, or somebody tells you to invest 430 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: in this and that maybe they trust people too much. 431 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,959 Speaker 2: But they've done some pretty cool But there's been that 432 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 2: group has done some pretty cool things. 433 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: And I think if you look around, a lot offensive 434 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 1: linemen have been successful and whatever they choose. And I 435 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: think it's a matter of determination and focus capacity to 436 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: to sublimate your own ego for the good of whatever 437 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: your unit is. And that's basically the definition of a 438 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: good offensive blinment. 439 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 2: It also explains why they would at one point get 440 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 2: fine for talking to members of the media too well, 441 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 2: that was a bad, a. 442 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: Difficult, that was a bad Alix skips It's okay, that 443 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 1: was awful. I know it was awful. It was Can 444 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 1: I swear and they find guys you know, and and 445 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: they were all it was Ben Hamilton came in, you 446 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: know him and good you played, We played for the 447 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 1: guy in Denver. And so we can't talk and all that. 448 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to nobody's trying to story. 449 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:40,439 Speaker 2: It's okay. 450 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, we got stories to tell. You got you know, 451 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 1: you got questions to ask, just say and and the 452 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,360 Speaker 1: one thing if you don't want to talk to say, 453 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah, I'm not exactly what is that take? 454 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,479 Speaker 1: You know? And I go and again, as the commist, 455 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: I could make it up. You didn't want to talk, 456 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: but he sure looked. 457 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 2: Angry he did. But you got some great stories out 458 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 2: of them. We got some great stories out of you. 459 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 2: Dave Bowling, thanks for joining us for this edition of 460 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 2: the Seahawks Stories fiftieth season edition. 461 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: That it doesn't look like that, it all doesn't not 462 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 1: at all dis franchise, not at all. 463 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 2: It is a legendary franchise, legendary voice. Thanks for joining us. 464 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 2: We'll see you next time.