1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio. 2 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 2: Welcome in everybody, Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday, Eric Torris, 3 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 2: Jason Bart. We are broadcasting live from the Tirec dot 4 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 2: Com studios direc dot com. We'll help you get there 5 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 2: and unmatched selection, fast, free shipping, free road hazard protection, 6 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:27,159 Speaker 2: and over ten thousand recommended installers. Tirec dot com The 7 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 2: way tire buying should be. Jason Martin and our Nashville 8 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 2: Tirec dot Com studios. Erin Torris, here in Los Angeles, 9 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 2: jymart what's going on, my man? 10 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: What's outing? 11 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 2: A brother? 12 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: Looking forward to talking sports for the next few hours. 13 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: So pretty good. 14 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 2: That's that's that's That's about as straightforward as it gets. 15 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: Man. 16 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 2: Well, I'm well also and excited to talk with you. 17 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 2: It's it's a really fun time of year, man. Obviously, uh, 18 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 2: we love college hoops. We'll be getting to some of 19 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 2: that later. Obviously, there was some some news and not 20 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 2: just on the court, but some Kailyn Clark stuff. And 21 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 2: obviously it's a busy time of year in the NFL 22 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 2: with the upcoming free agency period, with quarterbacks on the 23 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 2: move with the combine, So I'm excited as well. To 24 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 2: be with you tonight, Jason, you know really quickly. I'll 25 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 2: be honest, we were getting ready to do the show. 26 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 2: I actually missed the late breaking news until thankfully Steve 27 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:24,199 Speaker 2: Disager is right here, Chris Jones, as Desager just told 28 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 2: you a five year deal ninety five million dollars guaranteed 29 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 2: to remain a Kansas City Chief. Initial reaction when you 30 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 2: hear that, Jason, It's. 31 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: The right move. He has been the centerpiece of that defense, 32 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: which has only become a bigger force for what the 33 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: Chiefs want to do. He's a game wrecker. He's one 34 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: of those guys that just you have to plan around him. 35 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: If you're an offensive coordinator, you know what he's going 36 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: to bring, and if you can't keep him away from 37 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: your quarterback, you have a really difficult task ahead of you, 38 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: especially when you look at what Kansas City's offense brings along. 39 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: So provided that they could make it work financially, this 40 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: felt like a no brainer to me. So, you know 41 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: what we saw in the offseason last year and then 42 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: him sitting out that first game he made his statement, 43 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: and then he came back on the field and he 44 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: proved he was worth what he what he said he 45 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: was worth and they are rewarding him for that. And honestly, 46 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: I just think that's a winning move by a winning franchise. 47 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: They know what his value is and they're not going 48 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: to worry about, you know, the market and all these 49 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 1: other things as much as they are. You know what 50 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: if this guy, this guy says he wants to be here, 51 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: provided that we can compensate him, I think we can. 52 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 1: So let's go ahead and do it. 53 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I guess my only real thought is, 54 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 2: and you know, you you follow the day to day 55 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 2: of the NFL more than I do, is this at all? 56 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 2: Is this at all just in part due to the 57 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 2: expanded salary cap? Like because I remember going into the offseason, 58 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 2: and obviously even going into this past season, it was 59 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 2: a big conversation about, Okay, even if you get a 60 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 2: deal done for this year, this is probably gonna be it. So, 61 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 2: you know, we don't have very many particulars right now 62 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 2: other than that it is a five year, ninety five 63 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 2: million dollar deal. But I assume probably part of this 64 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 2: has to do with the uh, you know, the expanded 65 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 2: salary cap whatever, because this is just such a big piece, 66 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 2: Like you said, game Wrecker, the way he just changed 67 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 2: games upfront this year, especially by the way the offense. 68 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 2: It's easy to forget now because because there, of course 69 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 2: you're ranning Super Bowl champs yet again, but the offense 70 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 2: went through some real lulls in the middle of the season, 71 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 2: and it was that defense that kept them in games. 72 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 2: So I was just thinking about, you know, the salary 73 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 2: cap and all that stuff. I don't know all the 74 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 2: details again beyond the raw numbers of the contract, but 75 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 2: it feels like that has to be part of. 76 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: It, right, Yeah, I think so, and I think that's 77 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: going to continue to happen as long as that number 78 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: continues to go up annually. It does give you more 79 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 1: wiggle room. The other thing, and we can look back 80 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: get this now because you see kind of how the 81 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: Chiefs have made their decisions over the past couple of years. 82 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: You didn't pay Tyreek Hill, and you didn't go bring 83 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: in a top flight wide receiver and pay a ton 84 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: of money to replace Tyreek Hill. And you've won two 85 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: Super Bowls since that point in time. And now you 86 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: have a little bit more money, you have a little 87 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: bit more flexibility, and when you get creative with your accounting, 88 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: you can make a lot of things work. So you 89 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: take all of those factors and then add in what 90 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: you just said about the expanded salary cap. This is 91 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: the result of that. You can find a way to 92 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 1: keep one of the great defensive tackles of the last 93 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: twenty years in the NFL real quick. 94 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 2: You know, you and I were lucky enough to do 95 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 2: the post Super Bowl show, and we kind of, I 96 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 2: think both agreed that there's gonna be ebbs and flows, 97 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 2: peaks and valleys for the Kansas City Chiefs next year, 98 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 2: just because that's how a seventeen game NFL regular season works. 99 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 2: But I think you and I both kind of said 100 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 2: and it doesn't really matter as long as you know 101 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 2: number fifteen is healthy, we're not betting against them. But 102 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 2: I feel like this again kind of also proves another 103 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 2: point that we made in that post super Bowl show, 104 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 2: which is like, you know, these last couple of years 105 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 2: were really the time that you were supposed to get 106 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 2: the Kansas City Chiefs. I mean, you know, we didn't 107 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 2: know if there was a future with Chris Jones beyond 108 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 2: this season. As you said, you had to trade Tyreek Hill. 109 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 2: And now you look across the rest of the league. 110 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 2: What was the story out of Buffalo this week. They 111 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 2: had to get rid of all those guys because Josh 112 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 2: Allen said, you know, contract is starting to kick in 113 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 2: this year. Obviously that's gonna be a situation in Cincinnati 114 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:33,919 Speaker 2: over the next couple of years. Los Angeles Chargers, we know, 115 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 2: have all sorts of cap gymnastics that they have to 116 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 2: do over the next couple months because of justin Herbert's contract. 117 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 2: All this does, I mean, this is an interesting story 118 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 2: for a number of different reasons, but it just confirms 119 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 2: to me that it's like that really was probably the 120 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 2: best window to get the Kansas City Chiefs now in 121 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 2: a single yeah, in a single elimination postseason. Obviously, anything 122 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 2: can happen. It's not to say that you know things guaranteed, 123 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 2: but it just kind of reaffirms. It's like, man, you know, 124 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 2: you had Chris Jones we weren't really sure about. We 125 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 2: weren't really sold is he going to be back? You know, 126 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 2: Travis Kelsey's getting older, but he's obviously said that he's 127 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 2: gonna be I don't know, it just confirms all the 128 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 2: things that we've that we discussed that night of Like, man, 129 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 2: this really felt like the time and I think a 130 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 2: lot of teams really wish they had maybe taken more 131 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 2: advantage of that window when the Chiefs were a little 132 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 2: bit down. 133 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: And the week you were off or whatever, when I 134 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: was hosting with a couple of different people over over 135 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 1: that holiday after the Super Bowl. That's one of the 136 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: reasons why I did that topic about the five teams 137 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 1: that I am today the most interested in going into 138 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: next year. They and it was irrespective of what's gonna 139 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: happen in the draft of free agency. I know a 140 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: lot's going to change, but where we stood today, what 141 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: were the five teams in the NFL that I was 142 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: just most intrigued by? And you named a couple, and 143 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: the Chargers certainly had to be in there with Harball 144 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 1: for example. But the number one team for me is 145 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: the Houston Texans. And the reason why is everything you 146 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: just said. Let me tell you whose contract is not 147 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: kicking in for a couple of years, c J. Stroud, 148 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 1: Right now you have the window. This also to me, 149 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: even though this was not the intent of this discussion, 150 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: this also makes it so clear and obvious that it's 151 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: got to be Caleb Williams in Chicago that you can't 152 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: keep justin fields, because that time clock has to be 153 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: reset for them because they've done nothing. They haven't been 154 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: able to accomplish anything during that timeframe. On Once that 155 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: clock strikes zero on that rookie contract, you are much 156 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: less able to do a lot of those things that 157 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: you were able to do. Eventually, the bill does come 158 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: doue and they will shut the lights off. Eventually, you 159 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: can't kick it down the road any further. So that's 160 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: why I'm so fascinated by the Texans. And you look 161 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: at the bills, and you look at some of these 162 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: teams that you just mentioned, and you say, you had 163 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: an opportunity when the getting was good on your side 164 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: with your own page, and now it's not that way anymore. 165 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: And you look at all these teams, even like a 166 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: team like Jacksonville, you don't have much more time. You 167 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: just don't because your flexibility diminishes so massively with the 168 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: when these contracts kick in. If you pay your quarterback, 169 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: that's why you've got to be completely certain if you're 170 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: going to commit that kind of money. You got to 171 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: be completely certain on a number of different things in 172 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: your organization. But the first thing is you got to 173 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: know that your guy. You can't just get by to 174 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: get by. And that's why I look at the Bears 175 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:35,439 Speaker 1: and just say, I've never understood why this has been 176 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: such a debate, and so many people have tried to 177 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: argue that it should be justin fields. It just shouldn't be. 178 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 1: And I like justin fields, but there's no reason why 179 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: you would do it. 180 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 2: No, yeah, no, at this point, I agree. Now, you 181 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 2: and I had a conversation last week about you know, 182 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:52,839 Speaker 2: if you know Caleb Williams doesn't want to be there, 183 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:54,719 Speaker 2: he wants to be in Washington, do you trade back 184 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 2: to number two if you think that either Jyeon Daniels, 185 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,959 Speaker 2: Drake May or somebody else's is some facsimilar of Caleb 186 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 2: Williams if. 187 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: You really like a guy, Yeah, and that's that's a 188 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: fair argument. But in terms of keeping your guy or 189 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: not we're drafting a quarterback, just throw Caleb out and 190 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: just say whatever quarterback. To me, that's not even a decision. 191 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 2: Well, and it's interesting because you know, and I think 192 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:19,719 Speaker 2: maybe this is a conversation we have on the other 193 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 2: side is obviously the free agent period is going to 194 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 2: kick in, and you know, you see reports that Kirk 195 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:29,319 Speaker 2: Cousins could demand. I saw a report two years fifty 196 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 2: million dollars a year, and it's like, Okay, he's been 197 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 2: really good, but do you want to pay that or 198 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 2: do you want to take a chance and draft somebody young? 199 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,079 Speaker 2: So why don't we do that? Jason? We'll come back 200 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 2: and I think with the news Chris Jones is now 201 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 2: a free agent or is now off the free agency market, 202 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 2: excuse me, he has re signed with the Kansas City 203 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 2: Chiefs five years, ninety five million guaranteed. In my opinion, 204 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,719 Speaker 2: it barring something shocking between now and training camp, it 205 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 2: solidifies the Kansas City Chiefs as the favorites. What becomes 206 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 2: interesting is what happens with the rest of the quarterback carousel, 207 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 2: Russell Wilson, Kirk Cousins as I mentioned, Justin Fields as 208 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 2: you mentioned. We'll discuss all that next. 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Big news here as we enter the free 231 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 2: agency period next week, Chris Jones will not hit free agency. 232 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 2: The defensive lineman signs a five year contract ninety five 233 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 2: million dollars fully guaranteed, solidifying one of the chiefs cornerstone 234 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 2: pieces outside of Patrick Mahomes. What I think is interesting, Jason, though, 235 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 2: is what could come here in the coming days and 236 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 2: weeks in this open quarterback market that it looks like 237 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 2: we're about to hit. Let's start with with a guy 238 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 2: that you probably watched a little bit more than you 239 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 2: care to over these last couple of week years. Russell Wilson. 240 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 2: So everybody knows the story, everybody on Fox Sports Radio, 241 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 2: all the guys and girls here have been talking about 242 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 2: it for the last week. But he is obviously no 243 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 2: longer a member of the Denver Broncos, you know, a 244 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 2: team has allowed him to pursue other things. As of tonight, 245 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 2: you know, it's eleven twenty Eastern time on Saturday. He 246 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 2: has met with the New York Giants. He has met 247 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 2: with the Pittsburgh Steelers. However, as of right now, nothing 248 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 2: has been finalized, no deal has been agreed to. What 249 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 2: are your thoughts on Russell Wilson as we enter free 250 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 2: agency here? 251 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: I got asked the same thing by my wife, because obviously, 252 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: as a Broncos fan, she she wanted to know my 253 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: thoughts and and how I felt about all this because 254 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 1: she saw me excited when the Russ deal went down 255 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: and I was optimistic about it. I will say that 256 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: I'm not as shocked that the play didn't end up 257 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: being magnificent. I was shocked it was this bad, to 258 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: say the least. But the whole of this is it 259 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: just didn't work. And this was a five year, two 260 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: hundred and forty two six million dollar extension before he 261 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: had taken one snap, not even in practice that he's 262 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: taken this snap. I was just kind of looking at 263 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: a at a piece before the show. He appeared in 264 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: thirty games, this from the athletic thirty games eleven and nineteen. 265 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: No playoffs benched in late December, and it's going to 266 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: be a deadcap hit, a hit of a eighty five 267 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: million split between this year and next year. There's no 268 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: other way to look at this other than it's it's 269 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 1: an unmitigated disaster. It's one of the worst moves that's 270 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: ever happened in the NFL. And I think the thing 271 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: that makes it difficult is it's easy to say that 272 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 1: now because we know what happened, But in the moment, 273 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of people that were afraid 274 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: of this move for their team not to make it, 275 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: but what it was going to mean on Denver side 276 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: for being a formidable opponent in the AFC, and maybe 277 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 1: they were hoping to get Russell Wilson, but we're not 278 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 1: in that position now, so Denver had to make a 279 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 1: different move, and we'll see what that move is going 280 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: to be. I've seen some crazy stuff and some stuff 281 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: that makes a little bit more sense between the two places. 282 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 1: If we're looking at New York and Pittsburgh, it seems 283 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: to me Pittsburgh's the one that makes the most sense 284 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: because I just think their guy is even less entrenched. 285 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: I know he hasn't had that much opportunity, but I 286 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: also just don't think there's a really high ceiling for 287 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: Kenny gonna be the guy for the next handful of years. 288 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: I just don't see that in Pittsburgh. And then in 289 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: New York for some reason, they still seem to like 290 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: Danny Dimes and that I don't see Russell Wilson going 291 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: to New York without knowing he's going to be the starter, 292 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: and there just seems to be a lot there that's 293 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: not decided upon, Whereas I think he could go to 294 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh knowing he's QB one, or at least I feel more 295 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: comfortable there, and so that that's kind of where I 296 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: tend to look and say, that's where I sort of 297 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: expect him is in Pittsburg. 298 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting because it also kind of plays to 299 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 2: what we just talked about in the last segment of 300 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 2: you know, if you're whoever, if you're the Chicago Bears, 301 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 2: you take Caleb Williams because it allows you to keep, 302 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 2: you know, to to keep everything around you on the 303 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 2: cheap right. And in Pittsburgh, you know, Kenny Pickett still 304 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 2: is on that rookie contract, so you so it's easier 305 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 2: to get out of it, and it's easier to just 306 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 2: if he's not the guy, just replace him. Now. Danny Dimes, 307 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 2: I believe, has what one year left on that extension. 308 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 2: It wasn't like a long term extension, even though he's 309 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 2: getting paid a lot of money. But it just they 310 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 2: are literally financially more committed to to Daniel Jones. So 311 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 2: the Giants are weird to me, by the way. I 312 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 2: want to get back to Russell Wilson, but I've seen 313 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 2: stuff that the Giants have, you know, met with quarterbacks 314 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 2: at the combine, which isn't that unnormal. I just don't 315 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 2: know what they're doing. Like, I just thought, you know, 316 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 2: whether we agree with it or not in the media, 317 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 2: I just assumed that you know, they were rolling with 318 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 2: Daniel Jones for another year. Then you see Rich Eason 319 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 2: say this week that no, no, no, no, no, they're over Daniel Jones. 320 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 2: Obviously we know that Brian Dable, that's never been his guy. 321 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 2: Do you have any sense and obviously they met with 322 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 2: Russell Wilson's do you have any sense on like if 323 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 2: there's a plan and what that plan might be with. 324 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: No, I think they're exploring options. I think they're exploring 325 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: the options. They're kicking the tires on some things to see. 326 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: But this is what's frustrating about this just from the 327 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: outside looking in, is didn't at least from you and me, 328 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: And I don't think this is any kind of like 329 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: a bold take or a patche on the back kind 330 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: of thing for either one of us, because I know 331 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: we're not alone. Most of the listeners I think would 332 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: agree with this too. Didn't we already know Danny Dimes 333 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: wasn't that good? Well it goes back. It seems like 334 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: the deal I know was a short term extension, but for. 335 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 2: What we mocked it into the Giants. 336 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: Just it, I know, and now you look at it, 337 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: and it's just now you find yourself basically you've been 338 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: in a holding pattern and done nothing. In fact, you've 339 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: done less than nothing. What you did two years ago, 340 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 1: which we did not see as being particularly real even 341 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 1: in the moment, was exposed to be not particularly real 342 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: in the moment. Danny Dimes is also a guy that 343 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,360 Speaker 1: tends to get hurt a lot because of the way 344 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: he plays. He does some things that valu It's not 345 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: like he shouldn't have a spot in the league somewhere 346 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 1: or another opportunity, but it never made sense, even in 347 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: a short term, recommitting to him like that. So them 348 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 1: doing this, even if they don't get Russell Wilson, even 349 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: if they decide to go back to Daniel Jones, this 350 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: is a tacit admission that they made a mistake. And 351 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 1: it's a mistake that we all already saw, Like from 352 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: day one, we all knew this was a mistake. 353 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and that goes back to when it happened. 354 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 2: Is like we you and I remember having this conversation. 355 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 2: Is like it just felt like an overreaction to that 356 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 2: one playoff win against the Vikings, and I remember having 357 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 2: that conversation, is like, you know, he's not the guy 358 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 2: if you could have franchised tagged him and not committed 359 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 2: beyond this year, and it didn't make sense. And so yeah, 360 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 2: I don't know what they're doing. It just it feels 361 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 2: like they have this weird allegiance to him that I 362 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 2: can't totally figure out why it is or what it 363 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 2: is or whatever. But yeah, I find it very strange 364 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 2: to go back to Russell Wilson. I'm with you with 365 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 2: the Steelers, And what's interesting about the Steelers is I 366 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 2: don't know. 367 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 1: Let me, let me, let me. 368 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 2: I don't go in a lot of different directions here, 369 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 2: but I thought, well, I just I can't believe that 370 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 2: Russell Wilson year one, Nathan new Hackett was a disaster. 371 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 2: Kay this year him and him and Champayton were oil 372 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 2: and water. I just can't believe that he went from 373 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 2: as good as he was in Seattle at the end. 374 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 2: And I know that last year he was pretty banged 375 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 2: up and didn't really play, but before he got hurt 376 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 2: he was playing well. I just can't believe he's that 377 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 2: bad and he has nothing left in the tank, like 378 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 2: I'm not saying he's gonna be peak. You know, twenty, 379 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 2: you know, sixteen, twenty fifteen, you know whatever, Russell Wilson, 380 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 2: but I just can't believe that he is ad. Do 381 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 2: you think he and you watched him way more closely 382 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 2: than I did, do you think he has something left 383 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 2: in the tank where he can still be a serviceable 384 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 2: to above average NFL quarterback. 385 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: I don't know about above average serviceable. That's a pretty 386 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 1: low bar. That's kind of like a backhanded compliment. If 387 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: you call somebody serviceable. I could maybe see that. And 388 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: maybe he wants to try and reclaim the legacy because 389 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: a lot of Russell Wilson, at least the perception of 390 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, is that he cares a lot about how 391 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: people see him and how people view him, and so 392 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 1: he puts forth a certain type of public persona and 393 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: all this, But his legacy and how he's viewed does 394 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: matter to him. I think, like how he is seen 395 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: as a quarterback. I think the Hall of Fame probably 396 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 1: matters to him. He has won a super Bowl. This 397 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 1: could not have gone worse, even though Sean Payton and 398 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: I heard Colin Coward. I think is the one that 399 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: said this that Sean Payton saved Russell Wilson because he 400 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: made him at least halfway decent, gave him another opportunity 401 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: after what we had seen the year before. I don't 402 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: know what he has left, but I can tell you 403 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: one thing, and this can play into a different discussion 404 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 1: that's not a very lengthy one, but Jerry Judy got 405 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: traded or is going to be traded to the Browns 406 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: for a couple of picks for the fourth and fifth pick, 407 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: our fourth and fifth round draft picks. And Jerry Judy 408 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: has had decent numbers, pretty good numbers actually for Denver 409 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: last year. And I saw this and I was just like, well, 410 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: it didn't seem like he wanted to be there anymore. 411 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: And it also seemed like he had underperformed to me 412 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: since he got drafted. He couldn't stay healthy, he had 413 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: a lot of drops. There was just something that didn't click. 414 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,360 Speaker 1: And maybe it's going to click in Cleveland and he's 415 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: going to be awesome. And I'm certainly not rooting against him. 416 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: But one of the things about the Russell Wilson move 417 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: originally to Denver that I think was overplayed and turned 418 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: out to be false is that the wide receiver room 419 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 1: was all world. 420 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 2: Thank you, you know, And that was one thing. And 421 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 2: and first of all, I agree with you. I think 422 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 2: there's a lot of revisionist history of well, you know, 423 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,959 Speaker 2: I mean it's I mean, he was getting all like 424 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 2: nobody thought he was going to be what he was 425 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 2: in Denver and as bad as he was, but that 426 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 2: was one thing, man. And like I swear, I'm not 427 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 2: just saying it because it's easy to say now. But 428 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 2: when he went to Denver, it was like, well, all 429 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 2: they need is a quarterback, and it's like they're they're 430 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 2: they're you know, they have this and they have that, 431 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 2: and like like Jered, Judy's kind of underperformed, like Corton, 432 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 2: you know, Corton Sun's fine, but like can we he's 433 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 2: not justin Jefferson, He's not you know whoever, Tyreek Hill, 434 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:46,640 Speaker 2: like he's fine. The defense was you would know better 435 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 2: than me. But I don't remember it being like otherworldly. 436 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 2: I don't know. I just that was one narrative and 437 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 2: I don't know, because you're closer to it than me, 438 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,120 Speaker 2: if that was the if that was how Broncos fans thought. 439 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 2: But I always thought that was weird. I even the 440 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 2: year before Russ got there, there was never a moment 441 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 2: where I sat there and said, like, the New York 442 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 2: Jets are a quarterback away and maybe it's Aaron Rodgers 443 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 2: and maybe it'll work and maybe it won't. But they 444 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 2: got all well. Offensive lines is not so good, but 445 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 2: defense is good. Wide receivers pre saw whatever, they really 446 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 2: are a quarterback away from being very interesting. I did 447 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 2: not feel that way the year before Russell Wilson got 448 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 2: the gig, but I know that that was the perception. 449 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 2: I mean as a fan and as a consumer. Is 450 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 2: that how you felt or was that overblown at the time. 451 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: Yes, it's how I felt. I knew there were some 452 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,360 Speaker 1: things that still needed to be buttoned up around it, 453 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: but I bought into the hype with the wideouts also, 454 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: and I still think Courtland Suttonlands Sutton is really good, 455 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: but he's not a deep ball threat, and he's more 456 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: of a possession guy. He's more of a combat catch guy. 457 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 1: And I like Courtland Sutton a lot, but he's not 458 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 1: a burner. You had Patrick get hurt. You have multiple 459 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: receivers get hurt in the preseason both years Russ was there. 460 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: But these are guys that have been injury prone, especially Judy. 461 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, he would get banged up 462 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: seemingly every other week. It might not take him out 463 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: for very long, but it would take him off the 464 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: field for some length of time. And you did look 465 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: at it and feel good about it. Then they you 466 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,120 Speaker 1: know you have Javonte Williams. You feel like that's gonna 467 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: work out. He ends up getting knocked out for the year. 468 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: A lot of things didn't go right for Russ that 469 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: weren't Russ's fault, no question about that. And I do 470 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:28,360 Speaker 1: think that the idea that they just the the speculative 471 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: kind of narration that they were just a quarterback away, 472 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 1: did him no favors if he got there and realized 473 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 1: what I have started to see more and more, which is, 474 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 1: I'm not sure these guys are as good as we 475 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 1: were told they were going to be. I think that 476 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: we were basing what we thought the wide receiver room 477 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: would be based on potential, not actuality, and what we've 478 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: actually seen has been far less. And so you can 479 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: blame that on the quarterbacks, and some of it I'm 480 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,199 Speaker 1: sure is on the quarterbacks, but it's not all on 481 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks. There's enough blame to go around here. Everybody 482 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: had a hand in this thing. Even though Russe did 483 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 1: play better in year two, it wasn't so substantial that 484 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: it feels like wherever he goes it's going to be 485 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 1: a resurgence project. It just feels if he's driven to 486 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: change how he has seen at the end of his career, 487 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: so it influences how he is viewed. Once he is done, 488 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: then he has all the fuel necessary to go in 489 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: and whatever he's got left to leave it out there. 490 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 2: Interesting thoughts on the situation with Russell Wilson. We will 491 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 2: see what happens with him next. I know that I'm 492 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,439 Speaker 2: intrigued and I do believe he's got something left in 493 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 2: the tank. Coming up, we'll switch gears and we'll have 494 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 2: a conversation about a team that might not have anything 495 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 2: left in the tank and did they just waste the 496 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,199 Speaker 2: best years of their quarterback. That's next. Before we get 497 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 2: to it, though, let's toss it over the news desk, 498 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 2: Steve the Segar. What is trending? 499 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 4: That could be any number of teams. That's a good team. 500 00:24:58,359 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: I'm here for it. 501 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 4: Into the freaking news the NFL tonight as the Kansas 502 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 4: City Chiefs gave defensive tackle Chris Jones a five year 503 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 4: contract reportedly worth ninety five million dollars guaranteed for the 504 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 4: first three seasons, so he will not become a free 505 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 4: agent this month. The Cleveland Browns are acquiring wide receiver 506 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 4: Jerry Judy from Denver for fifth and sixth round draft picks. 507 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 4: NFL teams have to be under the salary cap by 508 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 4: the time the new league year starts on Wednesday, then 509 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 4: trades become official. The Broncos are resigning safety PJ. Locke, 510 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 4: Seattle wide receiver Tyler Lockett restructured his two year deal, 511 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 4: and the Eagles resigned veteran defensive end Brandon Graham. This 512 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 4: will be his fifteenth season in Philadelphia. He was a 513 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,439 Speaker 4: first rounder in twenty ten. A reminder, NASCAR is on 514 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 4: Fox TV again tomorrow from Phoenix three thirty pm Eastern time. 515 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 4: Denny Hamlin will start from the poll. Today's Infinity Race 516 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 4: went to Chandler Smith. The Infinity Series will be off 517 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 4: next weekend. In college basketball, under eleven minutes to go 518 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 4: and fifth ranked Arizona is still losing at USC fifty 519 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 4: three forty nine for a Trojan's team it is thirteen 520 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,959 Speaker 4: and seventeen this year. But sc shooting over fifty percent 521 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 4: from the floor tonight, and even Brownie James off the 522 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 4: bench has five points on two of two shooting, with 523 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 4: two steals. 524 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 2: Back in the first round of ESPN's mockra Sorry. 525 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 4: Sorry, and four rebounds off the bench. 526 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 2: So yeah, he must. 527 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,360 Speaker 1: Givony just put him in the top seven nights. 528 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,719 Speaker 2: I kidding me. I'm shocked it's not higher anyway. 529 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 4: Also in progress, UCLA fourteen and sixteen is hosting Arizona 530 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 4: State fourteen and sixteen. That's on FS one. Six minutes 531 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 4: left first half, Bruins leading the Sun Devils twenty three 532 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 4: to eighteen. Number one Houston absolutely pounded Kansas today seventy 533 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 4: six forty six. We talked last weekend on the show 534 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 4: how Kansas keeps losing road games. It didn't stop today 535 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 4: and Kansas went ten and eight overall in Conference Number two. 536 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 4: Yukon was on Fox TV tonight trailing at Providence fifteen 537 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 4: to two early and then Connecticut dominated seventy four to sixty. 538 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: The final take that Joe Lonardi. Lonardi said he was 539 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 1: taking Providence game this morning for so did he really? Yeah? 540 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 4: Stick with the bubble. Number four Tennessee lost at home 541 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 4: to Kentucky, which played quite well, thank you, eighty five 542 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 4: eighty one, even though the Valls Dalton connect had forty 543 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 4: points in that game. He's so good, he is absolutely 544 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 4: how about somebody else, you know, it was essentially him 545 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 4: scoring forty and the rest of the team confined scoring forty. 546 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 4: How about somebody else coming up? Because this Tennessee, it 547 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,159 Speaker 4: has seemed at many different points during the year, is 548 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 4: good enough to advance to the final fourth this year. 549 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 4: Kansas State meanwhile, was seven and ten in conference, but 550 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 4: got a home win against sixth ranked Iowa State today 551 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 4: sixty five to fifty eight. North Carolina won at Duke 552 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 4: eighty four to seventy nine. Marquette won on Fox TV 553 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 4: at Xavier today eighty six eighty and on Fox it 554 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 4: was tenth rank Creighton winning at Villanova sixty nine sixty seven. 555 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 4: Here's your bubble team, Villanova ten and ten in the 556 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 4: Big East. 557 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: Now. 558 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 4: Texas Tech beat number eleven Baylor Alabama in overtime over 559 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 4: Arkansas South Carolina in overtime. One at miss Appy State 560 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 4: wins tonight for BYU and for number twenty two Utahs 561 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 4: State on a late three pointer at Edge, New Mexico 562 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 4: eighty seven eighty five and Tulsa with a big upset 563 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,880 Speaker 4: of number twenty four South Florida seventy six to seventy 564 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 4: Morehead State won the first conference tournament final of this season. 565 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 4: Ohio Valley Conference winner at beat Little Rock tonight. Women's 566 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,400 Speaker 4: number one South Carolina is thirty one to zero after 567 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 4: beating Tennessee on a three pointer at the buzzer in 568 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 4: an SEC semifinal. It'll play LSU, the defending champ, tomorrow, 569 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 4: and finally, there's one late game in the NBA. Portland 570 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 4: late third quarter is holding on eighty four to seventy 571 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 4: nine against Toronto. Already wins for Charlotte, for Denver, wins 572 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 4: for the Clippers and Dallas. Another thirty point triple double 573 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 4: for Luca Donsich of the MAVs. San Antonio did not 574 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 4: have Victor Wemba Yama due to a sprained ankle, but 575 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 4: still won at Golden State one twenty six to one 576 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 4: to twenty three. Steph Curry out with a sprained ankle. 577 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 4: He'll be reevaluated Tuesday, and Boston won the National TV 578 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 4: game at Phoenix one seven despite forty five points from 579 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 4: Kevin Durant back to you. 580 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Steve de Seger, Fox Sports Radio, 581 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Saturday, Aaron Torris, Jason Martin Broadcasting, and I 582 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 2: from the Tireraq dot com studios. We are brought to 583 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 2: you by Tractor Supply. Just like in basketball, a successful 584 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 2: game plan starts with the right players. 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Jason, 592 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 2: We'll get to some college hoops here at the top 593 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 2: of next hour, because I do you know you mentioned 594 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 2: don't connect and and you know Tennessee and Kentucky. I 595 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 2: think it's an interesting conversation about where men's college hoops 596 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 2: is the sports. You know, they say there's no stars, 597 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 2: but if you watch that Kentucky Tennessee game, there are stars. 598 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 2: You just maybe gotta work a little bit harder than 599 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 2: you did if you years ago to learn about them. 600 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 2: So we'll revisit that. I do want to pay off 601 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 2: the tea's here though, really quick and talk just briefly 602 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 2: and we can obviously continue on the back end about 603 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 2: the team that I mentioned. I said there was a team, uh, 604 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 2: you know, are they wasting the prime of their star quarterback? 605 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 2: And as the segar said, that could be any number 606 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 2: of teams. But want to discuss the Buffalo Bills. So 607 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 2: this week again, because of what we talked about, they 608 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 2: had to get rid of some some real kind of 609 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 2: key pieces to that roster. Jordan Poyer veteran safety gone, trader, 610 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 2: Tredavius White, veteran cornerback gone. And you sent me a 611 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 2: great article from The Athletic that basically insinuated are the 612 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills wasting Josh Allen's prime? Really quickly I found 613 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 2: this paragraph interesting. How about this. We think of Jim 614 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,479 Speaker 2: Kelly as being this you know, incredible icon that that 615 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 2: you know, untouchable whatever. If Josh Allen maintains his current 616 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 2: statistical pace, he will own every man passing record for 617 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 2: the Bills by the time he's thirty. He is already 618 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 2: seventh on the club's rushing chart and should overtake Lashawn 619 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 2: McCoy and Travis Henry this year. With fifty three rushing touchdowns, 620 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 2: he's only four behind O. J. Simpson and only twelve 621 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 2: behind Thurman Thomas. That's insanity, And yet what do we 622 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 2: have to show for it one AFC championship game where 623 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 2: they got obliterated, a couple last second losses in the 624 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 2: divisional rounds of the Chiefs. This is a great conversation 625 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 2: because I've been saying this since last year. But yes, 626 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 2: since last year being the twenty twenty two season, not 627 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 2: just this past year. Yes, I do believe they are 628 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 2: wasting Josh Allen's prime, and yes, I believe it does 629 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 2: fall on the shoulders of Sean McDermott. 630 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: I mean it has to fall somewhere. Are there things 631 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: about Josh Allen that make him great that also make 632 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: him dangerous? Yes, he does take a few risks, and 633 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: I don't mean from a physical standpoint, although he does 634 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: that too. He's more of a gunslinger type guy, and 635 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: he can turn a foot over a few more times 636 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: than you would like to see. But he's not the 637 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 1: reason why they didn't concentrate on the run game. They've 638 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: I mean they've got cooked now, but I mean they 639 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: they haven't really done much with it. They seemingly have 640 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: blown a couple of different opportunities. But more than anything, 641 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:22,719 Speaker 1: it's just that McDermott as a game day coach in 642 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: a lot of these circumstances, has kind of I feel 643 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: like he's left people wanting and that what's funny about 644 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: that article, why I found it so interesting and sent 645 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 1: it to you, is that the author is basically making 646 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: the case that no, they're not, and they would be 647 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: foolish to get rid of Sean McDermott. And so he's 648 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: got Warren Moon and the other quarterback escapes me. But 649 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: he talked to too rich Gannon. He started rich Gannon 650 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: and Warren Moon and asked him their opinion, and they 651 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: basically gave him what he wanted, which is, no, you 652 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: can't get rid of McDermott. That's insane. Everybody always wants 653 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: to coach fired. That being kind of the the tagline. Yes, 654 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: that is true when you're not winning to the level 655 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: that they want, everybody does want to coach fired. But 656 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: I think the alternative is do you want to go 657 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: down as just oh man, gosh, I remember those Bills teams. 658 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: They were so much fun to watch. Didn't win squat, 659 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: but they were fun to watch. Like That's cause that's 660 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: kind of where we are, Like what exactly right now? 661 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: There's not that much separating just based on success. There's 662 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 1: not much separating Josh Allen from Luka Doncic or someone 663 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 1: like that, where it's amazing to watch them and you 664 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: recognize the talent immediately, but then it gets to the 665 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: playoffs and there's something missing in that case. I think 666 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: Lucas just it's hard to play team basketball, Luka Doncic. 667 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: We talked about that before. It's why we thought the 668 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 1: Kyrie thing made no sense, because neither one of them 669 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: really wants to share to the degree that you need 670 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: to be able to share. But in this case, I'm 671 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 1: not saying it's selfish on the Josh Allen side. So 672 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: what's missing? What's the problem here? I don't think Sean 673 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: McDermott's a bad coach, but I also think, I mean, 674 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 1: how many times are you gonna continue to go to 675 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: the dance with the one that brung you and not 676 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,800 Speaker 1: win promking and not walk out with any kind of hardware. 677 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 1: I understand you're playing in the Patrick Mahomes era. I 678 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 1: get that, But does that mean you're just gonna use 679 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: that as the excuse? 680 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, something has to change. Right when Josh Allen's seventy. 681 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 2: I don't think he's gonna be sitting there to tell 682 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 2: his grandparents, grandkids. Well, you know, I tried really hard, 683 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,879 Speaker 2: but Patrick Mahomes was good, So who cares. No, It's 684 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 2: like you want to win. So I'll tell you what, Jason, 685 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,839 Speaker 2: Let's come back. Let's continue this conversation because I find 686 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 2: it absolutely fascinating and I think there's a lot more 687 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 2: to dive into. Buffalo Bill shake up their roster this week, 688 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 2: More to come. The question is what's gonna be left 689 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 2: for Josh Allen to work with when he gets to 690 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 2: fall camp. That's next. Fox Sports Radio. 691 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 5: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 692 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 5: the nation. Catch all of our shows a Foxsports Radio 693 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:05,360 Speaker 5: dot Com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to 694 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 5: listen live. 695 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 2: Welcome back, everybody, Fox Sports Radio. Eric Torris, J. S. 696 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 2: Martin broadcasting live from the Tireraq dot Com studios. Fun 697 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 2: time of year, we got four college basketball games on 698 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 2: here as we approach midnight Eastern four games on in 699 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 2: the studio, it does look like number five Arizona down 700 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 2: nine with five minutes to go. Well, they're interesting, and 701 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 2: you know this because you're in the heart of all country. 702 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 2: But it feels like it's going to be Arizona and 703 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 2: Tennessee battling for the fourth number one seed, Yukon, Houston 704 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 2: and Purdue. I think at this point it basically wrapped 705 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 2: up number one seeds regardless of what happens in the 706 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 2: conference tournaments. So Tennessee loses earlier today to Kentucky as 707 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,800 Speaker 2: to say, you're told us earlier, and you know, Arizona 708 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 2: fans are like, you know, if we went out, we're 709 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 2: gonna get that number one seed. It's important for them 710 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 2: the regionals in LA. They have a huge fan base 711 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,799 Speaker 2: in southern California, so if they get that one seed 712 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,319 Speaker 2: in the West, they're gonna be cooking, basically playing home 713 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 2: games to a final four in in Arizona. So this 714 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 2: is kind of a big result because if they now 715 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 2: get a two seed and they get shipped somewhere else, 716 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 2: you know, it just makes the path a lot harder. 717 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 2: If they play through LA, they would have basically four 718 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 2: home games because I think the first round would be 719 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 2: in Salt Lake or something like that. So it is 720 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 2: a sort of big result for bracketology and things like that. 721 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if you're a Tennessee fan watching this, 722 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 1: your loss is a lot more impressive than this one 723 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:38,759 Speaker 1: would be. 724 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:39,439 Speaker 2: No doubt. 725 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 1: This is one that knocks you off that one line 726 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: and it's very difficult to come back from without some help. 727 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't. I would think. I mean not to 728 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 2: bore people, but USC's thirteen and seventeen, They've dealt with 729 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 2: all sorts of injuries. But you can't lose this game 730 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 2: if you're Arizona and feel good that it's not going 731 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 2: to impact your seedings. So we'll keep you updated. Four 732 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:06,799 Speaker 2: minutes left there, USC up by ten and again Arizona 733 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 2: trending to get that fourth number one seed. Think it 734 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,879 Speaker 2: could be Tennessee now, obviously Tennessee still would have work 735 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 2: to do in the SEC Tournament this coming week. Jason, 736 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 2: we'll get back to college troops at the top of 737 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 2: the hour, but I want to wrap the conversation on 738 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,799 Speaker 2: Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills, and we referenced it 739 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,080 Speaker 2: earlier because the Athletic putting out a piece this week 740 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:29,399 Speaker 2: basically questioning, you know, basically is Sean McDermott the guy 741 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 2: as you said? You know, they make it sound like 742 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 2: they believe that he is. But I'll just say, like, 743 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 2: to me, what stands out to me, I really think, 744 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 2: and we've seen this throughout sports for a long time, 745 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 2: is that there are coaches that are you hire to 746 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 2: take kind of a dumpster fire and get him to 747 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,279 Speaker 2: a level of competence. I think the most obvious one 748 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 2: in sports right now is probably Tom Thibodeau, where it's 749 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,400 Speaker 2: like taking over a lot of bad situations, the Bulls 750 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 2: with Derek Rose, the New York Knicks obviously right now, 751 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 2: the Minnesota Timberwolves, but then he kind of wears on 752 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,880 Speaker 2: you and it's like he can get you from zero 753 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 2: to you know, sixty, but can he get you from 754 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,319 Speaker 2: sixty to one hundred to a championship caliber level? I 755 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,279 Speaker 2: don't know, And I just kind of feel like it's 756 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,239 Speaker 2: the same thing with Sean McDermott is the organization was 757 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,479 Speaker 2: obviously a mess for years, for decades before he got there. 758 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 2: It was the Rex Ryan era, if people will remember, 759 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,400 Speaker 2: before he got there, and he took him to a 760 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,879 Speaker 2: core level of competency. But it's been the same thing 761 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 2: three four, five years in a row and they keep 762 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,799 Speaker 2: running it back and listen, at this point, they're not 763 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,359 Speaker 2: gonna get rid of him this offseason. But I thought 764 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,920 Speaker 2: it should have been more of a conversation after the 765 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,920 Speaker 2: loss to the Kansas City Chiefs than it was. I 766 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 2: know they were great down the stretch, you know, final 767 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 2: eight nine weeks of the regular season. I just thought 768 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:56,960 Speaker 2: it should have been a bigger conversation back at the 769 00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 2: end of the regular season. It wasn't. And So to 770 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,239 Speaker 2: answer the question from this article, I do kind of 771 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 2: think they're wasting Josh Allen's prime, and I think they're 772 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:05,439 Speaker 2: gonna waste another one next year. 773 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you. I think it's I think it's 774 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,279 Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna be able to look back on it, 775 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,359 Speaker 1: and then what are you gonna do. Like, somebody has 776 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 1: to be at fault, right, it's not just nobody's fault 777 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 1: that you haven't gotten there, And it's not just because 778 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,240 Speaker 1: somebody else is better than you, but you're great anyway. 779 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,880 Speaker 1: Like at some point you have to try something different. 780 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 1: You have to stop throwing the same thing to the 781 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,840 Speaker 1: wall and those that have made the argument that Josh 782 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 1: Allen is defending his coach, well, of course he is. 783 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 1: He's his head coach. I mean, very few guys in 784 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:43,279 Speaker 1: sports go after their current head coach. If you're gonna 785 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,719 Speaker 1: ask the guy, what do you think about Sean McDermott. Oh, 786 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 1: I love him. I think he's a great coach. And 787 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 1: you know, very very few people would not do that, 788 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,080 Speaker 1: Like whether him saying that. It's not a it's not 789 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 1: any kind of an endorsement. It's just that's the way 790 00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 1: business is done. That's the tactful, respectful way to handle everything. 791 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,839 Speaker 1: I don't think you can you can take that much 792 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: from Josh Allen saying good stuff about Sean McDermott. 793 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,720 Speaker 2: I don't disagree. A very interesting article again from The Athletic, 794 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 2: and again it's worth noting busy week as Jordan Ployer's gone, 795 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 2: tra Davius White is gone, Mitch Morse a long time 796 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,359 Speaker 2: offensive lineman. So times are changing in Buffalo. The one 797 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 2: constant is Sean McDermott. Fox Sports Radio ertors jas Martin 798 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,560 Speaker 2: broadcasting live from the Tyreck dot Com studios. Up next, 799 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,360 Speaker 2: Kayler Clark, Is it too much Fox Sports Trio. Welcome in, everybody, 800 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:37,760 Speaker 2: our two Fox Sports Radio ertors Jays Martin, broadcasting live 801 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,920 Speaker 2: from the tirerec dot Com studios tyrec dot com. We'll 802 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 2: help you get there an unmatched selection, fast free shipping, 803 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 2: free road hazard protection, and over ten thousand recommended installers 804 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:55,600 Speaker 2: tirec dot com. The way tire buying should be little 805 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 2: after midnight Eastern on the West coast, on the East coast. 806 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,440 Speaker 2: Excuse me, hope everybody's today the day we turn back 807 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:03,000 Speaker 2: our clocks. 808 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 1: We know, we spring them forward? 809 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,120 Speaker 2: There, spring them forward? Okay, what does that mean? More 810 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:07,719 Speaker 2: sleep or less? 811 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:12,920 Speaker 1: I was less less tonight? I mean, but more daylight 812 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,880 Speaker 1: m does nothing for me. I mean less. 813 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,400 Speaker 2: It's getting like, you know, get up early, it's suns 814 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 2: pretty much out, go to bed, you know. And I 815 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,040 Speaker 2: don't know, I just whatever. I don't I always get 816 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,880 Speaker 2: confused when I get more and less sleep. So so 817 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,839 Speaker 2: we'll lose an hour tonight, or we'll gain. We'll lose 818 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,120 Speaker 2: an hour tonight, right, okay, all right, doesn't affect this 819 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:37,120 Speaker 2: fall back. 820 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,040 Speaker 1: You spring forward. If you spring forward, you are advancing 821 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:40,799 Speaker 1: past an hour. 822 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 2: Okay, We're still on for two more hours. 823 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,680 Speaker 1: Though, right, Yeah, we are. It's gonna it's the because 824 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,400 Speaker 1: I used to have that late slot. I used to 825 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,680 Speaker 1: have the slot after this slot, and that would be one. 826 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,400 Speaker 1: One show would be a four hour show because you 827 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,200 Speaker 1: basically had an hour come from nowhere, and another would 828 00:41:58,239 --> 00:41:59,520 Speaker 1: be two. Wow. 829 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:04,600 Speaker 2: That's interesting. Actually, that's interesting. All right, Well there's your 830 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:09,480 Speaker 2: Torres Daylight Savings time reminder, courtesy of Aaron Torres. That 831 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,640 Speaker 2: was really solid stuff for me. All right, let's switch 832 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:16,359 Speaker 2: gears college hoops. So, you know, fun time of year. 833 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:21,239 Speaker 2: It's great. It's midnight Eastern here and we have four 834 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:25,080 Speaker 2: games going on right now, four TVs out in the 835 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,840 Speaker 2: Fox Sports radio studios. It's that time of year. Conference 836 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,800 Speaker 2: tournaments have begun. As the sager just told you, Morehead 837 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,120 Speaker 2: State becomes the first school to clinch an NCAA tournament birth. 838 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,960 Speaker 2: But it's interesting because, look, you and I both love 839 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,880 Speaker 2: the men's game, and we'll talk about it, you know, 840 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,520 Speaker 2: about ten twelve minutes from now, the good and the 841 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:47,560 Speaker 2: bad of it. But there's also no doubt that the 842 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:52,439 Speaker 2: star of college basketball right now, if we're talking about 843 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,839 Speaker 2: all college is Caitlin Clark. And you and I talked 844 00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,960 Speaker 2: about her a little bit last week kind of to 845 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,200 Speaker 2: close the show, but I'm see last Sunday was the 846 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,400 Speaker 2: big day. She sets the all time scoring mark in 847 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:09,560 Speaker 2: all of college basketball, passing Pete Maravich. And what's interesting 848 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,320 Speaker 2: is is that you know, she is, to her credit, 849 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,240 Speaker 2: like she's just a phenomenon. You know, last the Ohio 850 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,960 Speaker 2: State game, is was the highest rated. I'm trying to 851 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,160 Speaker 2: find all the stats here, but it was the highest 852 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:29,440 Speaker 2: rated women's game since nineteen ninety nine. Was something like 853 00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:34,279 Speaker 2: three point three nine million viewers. But what was also interesting, 854 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:39,440 Speaker 2: and this certainly set the internet ablaze, Michael Molvahill from 855 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:43,200 Speaker 2: from Fox Sports, obviously our our colleague. He's the president 856 00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,800 Speaker 2: of Insight and Analytics for Fox TV, put out this tweet. 857 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,320 Speaker 2: He said, women's college basketball is now averaging a little 858 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,440 Speaker 2: bit bigger audience than men's college basketball on Fox. This 859 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,160 Speaker 2: was on Tuesday. He put this out. Nine hundred and 860 00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,760 Speaker 2: eighty one thousand, nine eighty one thousand versus nine hundred 861 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:04,080 Speaker 2: forty Women's college basketball is up forty eight percent on 862 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:09,280 Speaker 2: Fox this season and sixty percent across all national networks. 863 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:14,759 Speaker 2: Now we can you know, listen, game has improved. You know, 864 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,480 Speaker 2: LSU's good, you know, South Carolina's undefeated. Still they had 865 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,520 Speaker 2: a wild buzzer beater today, by the way, But this 866 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,439 Speaker 2: is the Caitlin Clark effect. And so, first of all, 867 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,960 Speaker 2: what what stands out to you when you hear college 868 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,080 Speaker 2: back women's college basketball up forty eight percent on Fox 869 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,360 Speaker 2: and sixty percent across all national networks. 870 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:38,000 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think that there is something to 871 00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:42,120 Speaker 1: the Caitlyn Clark effect being transferable in the short term 872 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,640 Speaker 1: to the college game. Maybe you're watching a little bit 873 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,120 Speaker 1: more women's college basketball because you're tuning in to see 874 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,200 Speaker 1: Caitlyn Clark and maybe what you're seeing on the floor. 875 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:55,759 Speaker 1: Maybe some people are actually invested a little bit and 876 00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,560 Speaker 1: interested in the games that they're watching. And then if 877 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,680 Speaker 1: you see other teams that you recognize a bit, then 878 00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:04,680 Speaker 1: you stop and you watch a little bit more. I 879 00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:09,360 Speaker 1: think there is something to that. I also wonder is 880 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:14,759 Speaker 1: it easier to really have giant percentage jumps when the 881 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,920 Speaker 1: audience was so small and so then it wouldn't require 882 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,400 Speaker 1: as much to go up forty to fifty sixty percent. 883 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,120 Speaker 1: That's not to slight it, It's just I don't know 884 00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,040 Speaker 1: where the baseline was, where it started, and then where 885 00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:30,920 Speaker 1: it's risen to the forty sixty percent number. It's impressive, nonetheless, 886 00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,360 Speaker 1: but I think that that's it. I at least I 887 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,600 Speaker 1: think for part of it is if you're tuning in, Okay, 888 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,839 Speaker 1: so you know South Carolina is good. So if there's 889 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,840 Speaker 1: nothing else that really has your attention in the sports 890 00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,640 Speaker 1: world that day and you see them on, then maybe 891 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,839 Speaker 1: you're gonna stick around there. But the Caitlin Clark, you're 892 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,040 Speaker 1: tuning in, you're seeing them play other people, you're watching 893 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,239 Speaker 1: these games, You're like, man, these these these girls are 894 00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,279 Speaker 1: playing hard. And then you see it on again and 895 00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,239 Speaker 1: maybe you tune in for a couple of minutes. I 896 00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,160 Speaker 1: don't know if this ratings number that Mola Hill is 897 00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,480 Speaker 1: putting out there is including people watching start to finish. 898 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,799 Speaker 1: I don't know that it matters. If you're getting more 899 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,200 Speaker 1: eyeballs on the product, then that's certainly a positive because 900 00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,920 Speaker 1: that's been a challenge for women's sports in general, but 901 00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,440 Speaker 1: certainly women's basketball on a college team and on the 902 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,440 Speaker 1: pro team for a very long time. So I do 903 00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,960 Speaker 1: think they're riding the wave a little bit of the 904 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:23,719 Speaker 1: Caitlyn Clark effect, And it's not that they're taking advantage 905 00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,200 Speaker 1: of it. It's that they're just putting They're just out 906 00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,240 Speaker 1: there doing their thing, but there are more people paying 907 00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:33,120 Speaker 1: attention because of what is happening on the record pace 908 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:34,200 Speaker 1: for Kitlyn Clark. 909 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:38,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's all accurate. You know, I do think listen, 910 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,919 Speaker 2: I'm anytime you say anything it sounds like you're being 911 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,440 Speaker 2: negative or you're not rooting for Kitlyn Clark or whatever. 912 00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,719 Speaker 2: But you know, listen, women's college basketball is up forty 913 00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,719 Speaker 2: eight percent on Fox, like they're playing a lot of 914 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:52,439 Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark games. 915 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. I was about to ask that question too. It's 916 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,960 Speaker 1: like how many Big Ten games and how many games 917 00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,080 Speaker 1: of those are actually Caitlyn Clark's. 918 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,239 Speaker 2: Games exactly, And so you know, well that's important to me. 919 00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,520 Speaker 2: And the other thing that I think is interesting because 920 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,200 Speaker 2: and we'll talk more about the men's game in the 921 00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:11,279 Speaker 2: next segment, but you know, people took this as like 922 00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,719 Speaker 2: this is a huge indictment out of the men's game, 923 00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,399 Speaker 2: that that women's college basketball is now averaging a little 924 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,760 Speaker 2: bit of a bigger audience than men's college basketball on Fox, 925 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:21,759 Speaker 2: and this is you know, Michael moobile Hill obviously only 926 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,839 Speaker 2: has the Fox numbers. Whatever. My whole thing is you 927 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:30,360 Speaker 2: have a significantly bigger number of games. You know, Fox 928 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:34,440 Speaker 2: regularly is broadcasting two to three games a Saturday and 929 00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,640 Speaker 2: Sunday as opposed to maybe one a week of the 930 00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:42,080 Speaker 2: women's game. So you have way more games in the 931 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:46,759 Speaker 2: men's game, and you have a transcendent, once in a 932 00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:52,040 Speaker 2: lifetime superstar in Caitlyn Clark, like and that barely puts 933 00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:53,920 Speaker 2: the women's game over the men's game. And so it's 934 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,480 Speaker 2: like everyone tried to use that as a shot at 935 00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:00,319 Speaker 2: the men's game. But I'm like, just take caitlynk out 936 00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,359 Speaker 2: of the equation. The men's numbers are still good, now, 937 00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,120 Speaker 2: would you like them to be better? Yes, every sport 938 00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,160 Speaker 2: except the NFL would like their numbers to be higher. 939 00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,200 Speaker 2: But I didn't see this as some major indictment on 940 00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,640 Speaker 2: the men's game. I just see it as we have 941 00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,520 Speaker 2: this once in a generation comet named Caitlin Clark that 942 00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,960 Speaker 2: has drawn so many eyeballs to the women's game. 943 00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,160 Speaker 1: That last point is basically my take is that she's different. 944 00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:28,440 Speaker 1: She's unique. Like there are certain Olympic events that get watched, 945 00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:33,560 Speaker 1: but Michael Phelps was different. There are certain track events 946 00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,840 Speaker 1: that got watched, but Bolt was different. There are certain 947 00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,759 Speaker 1: you know, X games that are always pretty entertaining to watch, 948 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,680 Speaker 1: but Sean White was different. A lot of people watch 949 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,160 Speaker 1: skateboarding because Tony Hawk did it, like there's always somebody 950 00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:54,440 Speaker 1: that transcends what they're doing. That it can have a 951 00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:59,000 Speaker 1: galvanizing effect in terms of bringing more eyes to a sport, 952 00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,960 Speaker 1: but you usually it feels more like a passing fad. 953 00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,120 Speaker 1: It's not a thing that is that is built to 954 00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:12,279 Speaker 1: last because it's not a college. Women's basketball is not 955 00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:16,920 Speaker 1: a collection of Caitlyn Clark's. It's Caitlin Clark and everybody else. 956 00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,960 Speaker 1: And we know, look Angel Reese and some of the 957 00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,239 Speaker 1: young ladies of South Carolina and Baylor and Stanford, like, 958 00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,480 Speaker 1: there's some really solid players out there. Becker's of course, 959 00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,000 Speaker 1: was on that trajectory as well for Yukon a few 960 00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:33,560 Speaker 1: years ago before the injuries really derailed her. There are 961 00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:37,800 Speaker 1: some talented women, but none of them were getting talked 962 00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:42,040 Speaker 1: about outside of Kaitlyn Clark. Like Clark is the one 963 00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:46,600 Speaker 1: that has been talked about relentlessly now for multiple seasons, 964 00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,600 Speaker 1: and that does matter. It also matters that there was 965 00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,400 Speaker 1: a little bit of you know, that charismatic clash with 966 00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,279 Speaker 1: her and Angel Reese and LSU and all of that 967 00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,360 Speaker 1: kind of thing as well. Like that was an interesting 968 00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,160 Speaker 1: story that brought people that where and actually I think 969 00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:05,120 Speaker 1: we brought discussion outside of just the general sports landscape 970 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,120 Speaker 1: and that attracted a bit of an audience. And then 971 00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:13,120 Speaker 1: everybody chases a record in terms of an audience. Now, 972 00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,239 Speaker 1: we talked about that with Lebron James last week, but 973 00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:19,600 Speaker 1: I think that was different. I think that this felt 974 00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:24,280 Speaker 1: like you'd never potentially see something like this again because 975 00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:28,320 Speaker 1: we've never seen a Caitlin Clark type of scorer, shooter 976 00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,959 Speaker 1: from deep and all the things that she does. There's 977 00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:36,160 Speaker 1: something unique about her that made her stand out. There's 978 00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,799 Speaker 1: not a league full of those, there's not a collegiate 979 00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:43,000 Speaker 1: seam full of those. So that to me is they've 980 00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,520 Speaker 1: caught lightning in a bottle, but there's no real way 981 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:50,879 Speaker 1: to then duplicate that enough to create an assembly line 982 00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,000 Speaker 1: of it. That's the thing. You enjoy this as much 983 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,839 Speaker 1: as you can, and you see if you can, you know, 984 00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:01,080 Speaker 1: drift off of this for as long as possible, But 985 00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,720 Speaker 1: it seems like the minute she leaves, it just goes 986 00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,480 Speaker 1: back to being those that are hardcore fans or those 987 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,839 Speaker 1: that are former women college basketball players or have been 988 00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,000 Speaker 1: involved in the scene or whatever are going to go 989 00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:17,799 Speaker 1: and those that are just sports fans are probably going 990 00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:19,440 Speaker 1: to do what they usually do, which is go back 991 00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:20,280 Speaker 1: to the other sports. 992 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, it's almost to me a little bit 993 00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:26,600 Speaker 2: like the Zion phenomenon, and it's it's not apples to apples, 994 00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:31,320 Speaker 2: but I mean, twenty million people watch Zion's last NCAA 995 00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,480 Speaker 2: tournament game. I mean that's you know, double what the 996 00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,239 Speaker 2: NBA Finals was, and it's like, you know, Elite eight 997 00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,279 Speaker 2: games do good numbers, but not like that really quickly. Though, 998 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:41,799 Speaker 2: I do want to switch gears. I want to ask 999 00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,720 Speaker 2: you a broader question because to me, I think everyone 1000 00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:46,759 Speaker 2: gets so caught up in the moment of oh, you know, 1001 00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:48,080 Speaker 2: what does it mean for the men's game? What does 1002 00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,000 Speaker 2: it mean for the women's game? And like I think 1003 00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,759 Speaker 2: you hit on all the key points about is there 1004 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,279 Speaker 2: any way to retain this audience? I don't think so. 1005 00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,680 Speaker 2: I don't believe that two million people will be watching 1006 00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:02,240 Speaker 2: IOWA games without Kitlin Clark next year. But it's interesting 1007 00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:07,040 Speaker 2: to me, and this, you know, analogy is a little 1008 00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,920 Speaker 2: bit before my time, but I'm obviously a historian of sports, 1009 00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,120 Speaker 2: and I love sports, and you know the history of 1010 00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:18,560 Speaker 2: the NBA. There is a parallel and a line drawn 1011 00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,640 Speaker 2: of when Magic Johnson and Larry Bird played in the 1012 00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:25,680 Speaker 2: nineteen seventy nine NCAA championship game that is to this 1013 00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,799 Speaker 2: date the largest ever audience for a college basketball game, 1014 00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,319 Speaker 2: that nineteen seventy nine championship game, Magic versus Larry. I 1015 00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:36,960 Speaker 2: bring it up because they then essentially rebuilt the NBA 1016 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,120 Speaker 2: audience when they got to the NBA. In other words, 1017 00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,480 Speaker 2: they brought a huge audience with them. The NBA was struggling. 1018 00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:47,360 Speaker 2: We all know the history, and I think there's you 1019 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,160 Speaker 2: know what, Jason, I'll tell you what. Why don't we 1020 00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,440 Speaker 2: come back and have that conversation, because to me, that's 1021 00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,800 Speaker 2: what I want to know. Sure, not just what Caitlin 1022 00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,960 Speaker 2: Clark has done for the women's game and can she 1023 00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,560 Speaker 2: and can she create interest after she leaves there? But 1024 00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:03,560 Speaker 2: I think more importantly, we have seen great women's college 1025 00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:07,520 Speaker 2: basketball players before and it doesn't translate to the WNBA. 1026 00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,640 Speaker 2: And I'm curious if that changes with Caitlin Clark. So 1027 00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,560 Speaker 2: we'll go ahead, we'll discuss that next er Torris Jason 1028 00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:18,320 Speaker 2: Martin Saturday Night, Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back everybody. Fox 1029 00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:22,160 Speaker 2: Sports Radio er Torris Jason bar broadcasting live from the 1030 00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,960 Speaker 2: tyreck dot Com studios. And remember, shortly after the show, 1031 00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,440 Speaker 2: our podcast will be going up. If you missed any 1032 00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,560 Speaker 2: of today's show, be sure to check out the podcast. 1033 00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,720 Speaker 2: Just search Fox Sports Radio wherever you get your podcasts, 1034 00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:37,400 Speaker 2: and be sure to also follow rape and review the podcast. Again, 1035 00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,080 Speaker 2: just search Fox Sports Radio wherever you get your podcasts, 1036 00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,839 Speaker 2: and you'll see this show posted right after we get 1037 00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:44,799 Speaker 2: off air. All right, Jason. Before the break, we were 1038 00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:49,120 Speaker 2: talking a lot about Kaitlin Clark, iconic women's player, sets 1039 00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:52,600 Speaker 2: the all time scoring mark last week, and we started 1040 00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,800 Speaker 2: the conversation of what does this mean for women's college 1041 00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,120 Speaker 2: basketball in the post Kaitlyn Clark era? In other words, 1042 00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:03,000 Speaker 2: is there any audience that stays in women's college basketball 1043 00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,439 Speaker 2: post kN Clark? And I think that's an interesting part 1044 00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,680 Speaker 2: of the conversation. But to me, the interesting part that 1045 00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:10,880 Speaker 2: I haven't really heard a lot of people talk about 1046 00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:15,439 Speaker 2: is the opposite of that is, what, if anything, does 1047 00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,680 Speaker 2: this do for the WNBA? Because I think there's this 1048 00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,040 Speaker 2: easy thought of, well, you know, I mean, she's a 1049 00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,800 Speaker 2: star in college everybody's gonna follow her. It's gonna be 1050 00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:27,160 Speaker 2: a boon for the a WNBA. And certainly, you know, 1051 00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,920 Speaker 2: the media that is trying to say, you know, the 1052 00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,520 Speaker 2: media that has an investment in the NBA and WNBA 1053 00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:36,000 Speaker 2: is selling that really hard. I guess I'm a little 1054 00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,920 Speaker 2: bit more dubious. I remember a few years ago, Sabrina 1055 00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:42,799 Speaker 2: and Yescu was an incredible player at Oregon. I know 1056 00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,080 Speaker 2: she had a moment at All Star Weekend, but I 1057 00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:48,160 Speaker 2: don't know that she is fundamentally, you know, altered that 1058 00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,840 Speaker 2: moved the needle at the WNBA level. Diana Tarazi, Brianna 1059 00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,960 Speaker 2: Stewart was a four time national champion at Yukon Chamikua 1060 00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,000 Speaker 2: holes Claw. If you want to go back in the day, 1061 00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:00,160 Speaker 2: Candice Parker. I don't know that any of them have 1062 00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:04,560 Speaker 2: brought an audience with them to the WNBA that has stayed. 1063 00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:07,640 Speaker 2: And I'm curious, I think, to me, that's the interesting 1064 00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:11,920 Speaker 2: question about Kaitlyn Clark. Can she be the Larry Bird 1065 00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:16,160 Speaker 2: and Magic Johnson of women's college basketball. Larry and Magic 1066 00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,040 Speaker 2: played in the highest rated men's college game ever, and 1067 00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,120 Speaker 2: they obviously helped start the new era of the NBA, 1068 00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,000 Speaker 2: going from tape delay finals, all that stuff to what 1069 00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,320 Speaker 2: we see now. To me, that is the interesting conversation 1070 00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,920 Speaker 2: about Kaitlin Clark. I'm not sold that it will happen. 1071 00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,359 Speaker 2: I'm not putting it out of the realm of possibility, 1072 00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,080 Speaker 2: but that, to me is the interesting conversation. 1073 00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:38,399 Speaker 1: I think it's the same I think it's the same 1074 00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,919 Speaker 1: problem the college game has. She gets into the league, 1075 00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,040 Speaker 1: and I think what will happen is there will be 1076 00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:48,400 Speaker 1: an initial jump in the ratings a little bit. And 1077 00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:50,560 Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's going to be substantial, but it's 1078 00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:54,200 Speaker 1: going to be noticeable. I don't think it can last. 1079 00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:56,400 Speaker 1: I think you tune in to see her for a 1080 00:55:56,440 --> 00:56:00,959 Speaker 1: little while and then you see the uncomfortable reality, which 1081 00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:07,320 Speaker 1: is WNBA product by and large not And this is 1082 00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,799 Speaker 1: certainly not true for everybody, and it's not really to 1083 00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:15,200 Speaker 1: slight what those athletes are doing. It's just not all 1084 00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,880 Speaker 1: that entertaining. Aaron like, and I feel like I speak 1085 00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:21,279 Speaker 1: for I certainly don't speak for everybody, but I feel 1086 00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,120 Speaker 1: like in many ways this is this is probably the 1087 00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,880 Speaker 1: overarching opinion of most of the people listening to us 1088 00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,080 Speaker 1: right now. It's just it's not something that we care 1089 00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:35,200 Speaker 1: about it's that's that's not the nicest thing to say, 1090 00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,719 Speaker 1: but it's honest. And so you bring Kaitlyn Clark into 1091 00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,120 Speaker 1: the equation, and that certainly does make me want to 1092 00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:46,200 Speaker 1: watch more Caitlyn Clark and see what she does. But 1093 00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:50,040 Speaker 1: then I know what's gonna happen, at least for me personally. 1094 00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:54,200 Speaker 1: I must see what she does night after night, by 1095 00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,240 Speaker 1: looking at the stats, by reading whatever articles are written 1096 00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:01,920 Speaker 1: about her. I'm not gonna commit a couple hours of 1097 00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,919 Speaker 1: time to watch the games. I'm just not. I can 1098 00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:10,239 Speaker 1: easily get whatever fix I need if I even even 1099 00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,799 Speaker 1: if I was a bigger fan and more invested in it, 1100 00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,360 Speaker 1: I still could get what I need just by watching 1101 00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:19,040 Speaker 1: Sports Center, or watching something on n FS one, or 1102 00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:22,240 Speaker 1: watching highlights just online. Like I can get everything that 1103 00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:26,160 Speaker 1: I need. The products got to make me want to 1104 00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:31,680 Speaker 1: surrender my time to it on a regular basis. That's 1105 00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,240 Speaker 1: where the trick comes in. All the players that you mentioned, 1106 00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:40,080 Speaker 1: excellent athletes, great superstars for the universities, names that we 1107 00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,280 Speaker 1: would recognize, none of them have done it. And I 1108 00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,400 Speaker 1: don't see any reason why that changes here. I do 1109 00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:49,960 Speaker 1: think it will work well for a little while, and 1110 00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,520 Speaker 1: then once the curiosity and the novelty factor wear off. 1111 00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,400 Speaker 1: I think we kind of return right back to the 1112 00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,600 Speaker 1: me we are gonna We're just gonna go back to 1113 00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:01,400 Speaker 1: a spot where this is a about where women's basketball 1114 00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,439 Speaker 1: is going to be, and there's just not very much 1115 00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,680 Speaker 1: that can change that because there's just too much competition 1116 00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:11,120 Speaker 1: out there. I don't mean basketball competition, there's just too 1117 00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:15,960 Speaker 1: much competition any entertainment and time spending landscape that just 1118 00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:19,680 Speaker 1: goes against the ability of the WNBA to really break 1119 00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:21,040 Speaker 1: through any more than it has. 1120 00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:23,800 Speaker 2: You know, all I would really counter by saying that 1121 00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:29,280 Speaker 2: to you is that while certainly every you know, every product, 1122 00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,480 Speaker 2: whatever it is. It could be a sports property, it 1123 00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:33,120 Speaker 2: could be a food, it could be a beverage, it 1124 00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,560 Speaker 2: could be whatever you obviously want to appeal to the 1125 00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:41,160 Speaker 2: largest possible demographic. But I'm not even talking about, like you, 1126 00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:45,320 Speaker 2: being a casual sports fan. I guess what I'm curious 1127 00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,120 Speaker 2: about is you know that thirteen year old girl that 1128 00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:53,120 Speaker 2: has the Caitlin Clark jersey in you know, Mississippi or California, 1129 00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:56,480 Speaker 2: that has no affiliation with Iowa, that is tuning in 1130 00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,960 Speaker 2: for Caitlin Clark. Now, by the way, you and I 1131 00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:00,520 Speaker 2: were talking before the show, and you brought up a 1132 00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,120 Speaker 2: great point. A lot of it, a lot of the 1133 00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,280 Speaker 2: peak in ratings was as she pursued the scoring record, 1134 00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:07,800 Speaker 2: and we'll see what the ratings look like. Obviously, this 1135 00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:09,640 Speaker 2: week is the Big Ten Tournament, Tomorrow the Big Ten 1136 00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:10,960 Speaker 2: Tournament championship game. 1137 00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:14,720 Speaker 1: Are well in the NCAA Tournament, I'm sure of that, But. 1138 00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:16,240 Speaker 2: Why do you let me ask you a question? 1139 00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:16,440 Speaker 1: Though? 1140 00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,240 Speaker 2: Like I said, I'm sure the WNBA would love to 1141 00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,960 Speaker 2: have erin tors at Jason Martin, but I think more 1142 00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,560 Speaker 2: than getting eron Tours and Jason Martin, they'd love to 1143 00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:28,280 Speaker 2: retain that thirteen year old girl in California that has 1144 00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:32,040 Speaker 2: no affiliation with Iowa basketball but loves Caitlyn Clark. But 1145 00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:34,200 Speaker 2: I know it's an impossible question to ask, but it 1146 00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:38,400 Speaker 2: just hasn't happened. And you think that it would, but 1147 00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,800 Speaker 2: it just hasn't. And I don't totally know why that 1148 00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,920 Speaker 2: would be. You know what I'm saying. And by the way, 1149 00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:45,280 Speaker 2: let me let me I'll jump in. I'll give you 1150 00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:48,560 Speaker 2: more time on this. It's not just a Kitton Clark thing. 1151 00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:50,960 Speaker 2: I mean, listen, you know, you know I grew up 1152 00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:51,520 Speaker 2: in Connecticut. 1153 00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:51,800 Speaker 1: Right. 1154 00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:57,160 Speaker 2: For a long time, the only uh and WNBA city, 1155 00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,800 Speaker 2: the only the only place that the WNBA had a 1156 01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:03,720 Speaker 2: team that wasn't an NBA city was Connecticut with the 1157 01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:06,439 Speaker 2: Connecticut Son. And it was the hope that there would 1158 01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,720 Speaker 2: be a conversion of Yukon women's basketball fans that follow 1159 01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,600 Speaker 2: these players into the pros. And it's never really clicked 1160 01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:15,200 Speaker 2: with the Connecticut Son. It's never really clicked with any 1161 01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:18,400 Speaker 2: of these players. It's just an interesting phenomenon that I 1162 01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,760 Speaker 2: don't have an answer to, but it just hasn't And 1163 01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,760 Speaker 2: maybe she's the exception. And I am curious if that 1164 01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,880 Speaker 2: thirteen year old girl in Iowa that wants or that 1165 01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:30,480 Speaker 2: thirteen year old girl in California that has no affiliation 1166 01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:33,560 Speaker 2: with Iowa does follow her to the Indiana Fever next year. 1167 01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:35,960 Speaker 2: There's just no track record of it ever happening, and 1168 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:37,120 Speaker 2: I'm not totally sure why. 1169 01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, the example that you're given there of the thirteen 1170 01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,240 Speaker 1: year old, if there's a thirteen year old that's buying 1171 01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:46,000 Speaker 1: a Caitlin Clark jersey that has no affiliation with Iowa, 1172 01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,800 Speaker 1: which I could certainly see that, it's like having a 1173 01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:54,040 Speaker 1: Steph Curry Davidson jersey or something like that. I think 1174 01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:57,520 Speaker 1: that that the impact of that is going to be 1175 01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:02,280 Speaker 1: less on WNBA and more on that thirteen year old 1176 01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:05,320 Speaker 1: putting on her own jersey and trying to be Caitlyn Clark. 1177 01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:10,800 Speaker 1: I think that if I am looking at this as 1178 01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:14,400 Speaker 1: optimistically as possible from the women's basketball side of things, 1179 01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:21,240 Speaker 1: it's can Caitlyn Clark get more young girls to pick 1180 01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:24,840 Speaker 1: up a basketball and do this? Because the more of 1181 01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,160 Speaker 1: them you have, the more of them that you have 1182 01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:30,280 Speaker 1: invested in this or trying to do this, or excited 1183 01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:33,320 Speaker 1: by this or inspired by this, the better chance you 1184 01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:37,880 Speaker 1: have of finding other Caitlyn Clark's that can then help 1185 01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:42,160 Speaker 1: add more fuel to the fire one Caitlyn Clark again. 1186 01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:45,640 Speaker 1: Even the thirteen year old with the jersey, I just 1187 01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:48,800 Speaker 1: I have a hard time believing she's tuning into Indiana 1188 01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:54,040 Speaker 1: Fever games or whoever or whatever. I just the WNBA product. 1189 01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:57,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I think this is a fair affair descriptor. 1190 01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,040 Speaker 1: It's been a joke, and I mean it's been punchline like, 1191 01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:04,400 Speaker 1: it's been used by many people in sports media for 1192 01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:09,200 Speaker 1: years and years and years, and among that many people 1193 01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,880 Speaker 1: is me. Because I've done it. We've all probably done 1194 01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:15,760 Speaker 1: it to some degree. It's just it's not a product 1195 01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:20,840 Speaker 1: that is presented in a way and I don't mean 1196 01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:24,560 Speaker 1: by the WNBA, but it's not given much of a 1197 01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:27,880 Speaker 1: chance to start with. So again, I think there is 1198 01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,600 Speaker 1: a curiosity factor, and there is I am curious to 1199 01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,480 Speaker 1: see what she does factor, but I think very quickly 1200 01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:37,560 Speaker 1: it is but not really not having fun watching this overall. 1201 01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:41,919 Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna see how Caitlyn Clark does from 1202 01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,080 Speaker 1: time to time and check in. And I think that's 1203 01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:47,080 Speaker 1: I think that's the hurdle that the w NBA cannot 1204 01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:51,240 Speaker 1: climb regardless of who enters their league, unless Taylor Swift 1205 01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,520 Speaker 1: somehow finds her way into into a draft. 1206 01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:57,040 Speaker 2: Tell you what if Caitlin Clark starts dating Taylor Swift, 1207 01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:01,600 Speaker 2: that I promise you that will become Okay, no story's dumbs, 1208 01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:05,919 Speaker 2: Travis Dumbstravis Kelsey for Taylor, for Kaylin Clark, that would 1209 01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,240 Speaker 2: be a story. Fox Sports Radio Air Tours Jason Bart 1210 01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:11,160 Speaker 2: broadcasting live from the Tyreck dot Com studios, will come back. 1211 01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:13,680 Speaker 2: Do you want to have an interesting conversation about the 1212 01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:16,520 Speaker 2: men's game, which certainly does not have its own Caitlin 1213 01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:20,880 Speaker 2: Clark will discuss that next news desk to saga what's trending? 1214 01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:23,880 Speaker 4: Hallo. And by the way, I did read that espn 1215 01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:29,080 Speaker 4: PR last year said the WNBA Finals averaged about seven 1216 01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:33,600 Speaker 4: hundred and twenty five thousand viewers. Your basic TNT Thursday 1217 01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,960 Speaker 4: night NBA doubleheader was one point two million viewers. 1218 01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,000 Speaker 2: This past week, well really quick, you know the Michael 1219 01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:42,400 Speaker 2: Movahill tweet where everyone's critical of the men's college basketball. 1220 01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:44,280 Speaker 2: He said, they averaged nine hundred and forty one thousand 1221 01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:46,680 Speaker 2: over the course of the season, which. 1222 01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:49,760 Speaker 4: Would be more than the WNBA Finals just last year. 1223 01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:53,120 Speaker 4: And by the way, that number for the WNBA Finals 1224 01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:57,120 Speaker 4: the most watched WNBA finals in twenty years. It was 1225 01:03:57,280 --> 01:03:59,800 Speaker 4: up to seven hundred and twenty five thousand viewers on 1226 01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:04,560 Speaker 4: a rich as for college hoops today, thrilling for women's 1227 01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,560 Speaker 4: number one South Carolina now thirty one and oh it 1228 01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:10,160 Speaker 4: defeated Tennessee on a three pointer at the buzzer in 1229 01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:13,240 Speaker 4: an SEC semifinal seventy four to seventy three. It'll play 1230 01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:17,000 Speaker 4: defending champ LSU tomorrow. Number three Iowa easily advanced to 1231 01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:20,600 Speaker 4: tomorrow's Big Ten final against Nebraska. The Pac twelve women's 1232 01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:24,280 Speaker 4: final will have number two Stanford against number five USC tomorrow. 1233 01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:28,320 Speaker 4: Currently in men's hoops on FS one, UCLA fourteen and 1234 01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:32,880 Speaker 4: sixteen is hosting Arizona State fourteen and sixteen. Sun Devil's 1235 01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:35,440 Speaker 4: lead at UCLA with ten minutes to go forty two 1236 01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,720 Speaker 4: to thirty four. Big upset at USC, The Trojans, who 1237 01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:42,520 Speaker 4: entered with a record of thirteen and seventeen, beat number 1238 01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:46,480 Speaker 4: five ranked Arizona seventy eight to sixty five as Caleb 1239 01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:49,240 Speaker 4: Love of the Wildcats was one of ten shooting from 1240 01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:52,800 Speaker 4: the floor victories for number one Houston, number two Yukon, 1241 01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:56,040 Speaker 4: but not number four Tennessee. The Vall's got forty points 1242 01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:58,320 Speaker 4: from Dalton KINNEC was still lost at home to number 1243 01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:02,240 Speaker 4: fifteen Kentucky eighty five eighty one Kansas State at home 1244 01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:06,280 Speaker 4: upset Number six Iowa sixty five fifty eight North Carolina 1245 01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:09,240 Speaker 4: one at Duke, Marquette and Creighton each one on the road. 1246 01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:13,240 Speaker 4: Texas Tech beat number eleven Baylor. Overtime wins for both 1247 01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:17,080 Speaker 4: Alabama and South Carolina. Number twenty two Utah State this 1248 01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:19,840 Speaker 4: evening on a late three pointer edge. New Mexico eighty 1249 01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:23,600 Speaker 4: seven eighty five and Tulsa beat number twenty four South 1250 01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:27,280 Speaker 4: Florida in an upset seventy six to seventy. Morehead State 1251 01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:30,120 Speaker 4: won the first men's conference tournament final of the year. 1252 01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:33,960 Speaker 4: The Ohio Valley Conference winner Morehead be Little Rock. This 1253 01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:36,720 Speaker 4: is the final weekend of the regular season in men's 1254 01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:39,760 Speaker 4: college hoops. The Kansas City Chiefs gave defensive tackle Chris 1255 01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:43,120 Speaker 4: Jones a five year contract. The Cleveland Browns are acquiring 1256 01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:46,880 Speaker 4: wide receiver Jerry Judy from Denver. A reminder, NASCAR is 1257 01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:50,320 Speaker 4: on Fox TV again tomorrow from Phoenix three thirty pm 1258 01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:54,080 Speaker 4: Eastern time. Denny Hamlin will start from the poll. NHL 1259 01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:57,120 Speaker 4: wins for Toronto and Tampa Bay. The Lightning one seven 1260 01:05:57,120 --> 01:06:00,480 Speaker 4: to nothing against Philadelphia. Vegas back at the lead with 1261 01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:03,360 Speaker 4: two minutes to go. Hosting Detroit, it's the Golden Knights 1262 01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:06,400 Speaker 4: four to three. As for the NBA late game, they 1263 01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:09,920 Speaker 4: are in overtime in the final seconds of ot and 1264 01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:13,800 Speaker 4: Portland is now winning by double digits against Toronto Blazers 1265 01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:17,440 Speaker 4: one twenty eight to one sixteen at the moment. Denver 1266 01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:20,360 Speaker 4: won its game against Utah one forty two to one 1267 01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:23,720 Speaker 4: to twenty one. Jamal Murray thirty seven points and Dallas 1268 01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:27,120 Speaker 4: won one forty two to one. Twenty four at Detroit, 1269 01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:31,959 Speaker 4: Luka Doncic with a record sixth straight thirty point triple double. 1270 01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,120 Speaker 4: In fact, it was thirty nine points in this one. 1271 01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:37,640 Speaker 4: Wins for Boston and the Clippers, wins for San Antonio, 1272 01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:40,120 Speaker 4: which won at Golden State, and for Charlotte, which beat 1273 01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:43,320 Speaker 4: Brooklyn the Hornets, and a six game losing streak. Two 1274 01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:47,640 Speaker 4: MLB exhibitions in the Dominican Republic this weekend. Boston against 1275 01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:50,520 Speaker 4: Tampa Bay. The Red Sox today won four to nothing. 1276 01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:54,040 Speaker 4: In Florida, Baltimore defeated Atlanta ten to three, the loss 1277 01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,200 Speaker 4: to Chris Sale now with the Braves. He allowed three 1278 01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:59,200 Speaker 4: runs in three and two thirds. In Arizona, the Cubs 1279 01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:02,080 Speaker 4: won five nothing over Colorado, which had only three hits. 1280 01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:04,560 Speaker 2: Back to you, Thank you very much, Steve Seger, Fox 1281 01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:08,960 Speaker 2: Sports Radio, Fox Sports Sunday, Saturday Sunday, depending where you are, 1282 01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:13,000 Speaker 2: Er Torris Jason Martin broadcasting live from the tiraq dot 1283 01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:16,640 Speaker 2: com studios. If you like using debit over credit, shouldn't 1284 01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:19,520 Speaker 2: you also get rewarded? Well, now you can with Discover 1285 01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:22,880 Speaker 2: cash Back Debit. It's a checking account that rewards everyone 1286 01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:26,600 Speaker 2: with cash back on everyday purchases with no fees period. 1287 01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:30,200 Speaker 2: Check out eligibility in terms at discover dot com cash back, 1288 01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:35,280 Speaker 2: debit backslash, cashback debit excuse me, Discover Bank member FD 1289 01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:39,560 Speaker 2: I see Jason. So obviously we've been talking about Kaitlin 1290 01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:41,880 Speaker 2: Clark the women's game here for the last couple of minutes. 1291 01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:46,160 Speaker 2: It is worth noting that the Michael Movahill tweet which 1292 01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:50,880 Speaker 2: I just referenced it did really kind of create quite 1293 01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:55,080 Speaker 2: a discourse about the women's game versus the men's game. Again, 1294 01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:59,280 Speaker 2: women's ratings are up forty eight percent on the year 1295 01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:02,520 Speaker 2: on Fox, sixty percent across all national networks, and on 1296 01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:06,480 Speaker 2: Fox they have just slightly surpassed the men's ratings on 1297 01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:08,880 Speaker 2: Big Fox for the year. A lot of that Caitlyn 1298 01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:12,880 Speaker 2: Clark driven. But why I bring it up is because 1299 01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:16,599 Speaker 2: it created an interesting conversation about the state of men's 1300 01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:19,519 Speaker 2: college basketball, and I thought our buddy Doug Gottlieb here 1301 01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:22,200 Speaker 2: at Fox Sports Radio had a very interesting segment on 1302 01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:25,200 Speaker 2: the Doug Gottlieb Show, which you can obviously hear every 1303 01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:28,559 Speaker 2: day three to five Eastern time. He basically asked the 1304 01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:34,080 Speaker 2: question of you know, is there basically a crisis going 1305 01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:37,000 Speaker 2: on in the men's game where listen, let's be honest. 1306 01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:39,439 Speaker 2: You know the example, Doug used, I'll be quick, but 1307 01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:43,320 Speaker 2: he basically made the argument. He said, I'm a basketball guy. 1308 01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:47,200 Speaker 2: I coach AAU basketball, I love AAU basketball. I love 1309 01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:51,760 Speaker 2: being around that. You know people, he said, But I 1310 01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:54,400 Speaker 2: walked in the gym the other day, and out of curiosity, 1311 01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:58,440 Speaker 2: I asked people in the gym, basketball people, coaches, players, 1312 01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:02,200 Speaker 2: how many starters on duke can you name? And I 1313 01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:04,360 Speaker 2: think you know. The way that Doug told it was 1314 01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:07,240 Speaker 2: most people couldn't name one, or maybe they could name one, 1315 01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:09,920 Speaker 2: but not two or three. And it kind of struck 1316 01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:13,200 Speaker 2: him that college basketball has a little bit of an 1317 01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:16,960 Speaker 2: identity crisis. Where As we know the best players are 1318 01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:20,240 Speaker 2: going to leave after one year, the transfer portal is 1319 01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:24,559 Speaker 2: humming as always, and player movement and player you know, 1320 01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:28,479 Speaker 2: noticeability is basically at an all time low. I'm a 1321 01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:30,560 Speaker 2: little bit more embedded in college hoops, so I'm a 1322 01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:33,080 Speaker 2: little bit more biased, but curious for your perspective because 1323 01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:35,000 Speaker 2: I thought Doug brought up a really interesting conversation these 1324 01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:35,760 Speaker 2: last couple days. 1325 01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:38,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's got a point. I don't 1326 01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:43,599 Speaker 1: fully agree with everything that he has to say about it, 1327 01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:46,720 Speaker 1: but I do think there is something to be said. 1328 01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:48,880 Speaker 1: And my bias is different because I grew up on 1329 01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:51,839 Speaker 1: Tobacco Road and I could still name you the starters 1330 01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:53,960 Speaker 1: from Duke in ninety one and ninety two. I could 1331 01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:56,439 Speaker 1: still name you the championship team for North Carolina in 1332 01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:58,960 Speaker 1: ninety three, and who played in the Duke Arkansas Final 1333 01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:01,320 Speaker 1: in ninety four. I could tell you the starting five 1334 01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:03,880 Speaker 1: for the Kansas Jayhawks and eighty eight as a matter 1335 01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:09,040 Speaker 1: of fact. But it was different then, like the perception 1336 01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:12,519 Speaker 1: of college basketball as a whole was different. Yes, the 1337 01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:15,960 Speaker 1: one and done and just not knowing the names on 1338 01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:19,120 Speaker 1: the back of the jersey whatsoever. And if you're a 1339 01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:22,320 Speaker 1: Kentucky fan, you'd better just be a Kentucky fan and 1340 01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:24,120 Speaker 1: get used to seeing those guys for a couple of 1341 01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:26,240 Speaker 1: months and then they're going to be gone and all 1342 01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:28,960 Speaker 1: of this and that didn't used to be the norm, 1343 01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:32,680 Speaker 1: and increasingly it's gotten there. I don't know if it 1344 01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:39,200 Speaker 1: is as much of a star problem as a longevity problem. 1345 01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:45,680 Speaker 1: And where I kind of differ from Doug is I 1346 01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:48,400 Speaker 1: think it's a problem without a fix I think it's 1347 01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:52,400 Speaker 1: a problem without a solution. I think it is trying 1348 01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:58,120 Speaker 1: to answer an impossibility, like it's just part of the 1349 01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:00,720 Speaker 1: fabric of where we find ourselves and there's not a 1350 01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:03,120 Speaker 1: way to put the toothpaste back in the tube, to 1351 01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:06,599 Speaker 1: use that cliche, there's not a way to fix it. Now, 1352 01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:11,320 Speaker 1: this is just what you have. Unfortunately, for college basketball, 1353 01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:15,559 Speaker 1: it feels like week to week. Even though there've been 1354 01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:18,520 Speaker 1: some really good matchups, and there were multiple great matchups 1355 01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:22,439 Speaker 1: on Saturday, none of them matter all that much because 1356 01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:25,000 Speaker 1: anybody that's worth their salt's going to get into the tournament. 1357 01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:27,160 Speaker 1: And that's when we all pay attention. And it's not 1358 01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:30,160 Speaker 1: just the gambling side, it's not just the bracket pool 1359 01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:33,439 Speaker 1: at work and all this. It's just a wonderful event. 1360 01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:37,880 Speaker 1: It's a wonderful, entertaining event, and it almost feels like 1361 01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:41,439 Speaker 1: it's its own self contained sport. And the problem, the 1362 01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:45,720 Speaker 1: biggest problem for college basketball is without us having any 1363 01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:49,400 Speaker 1: knowledge of depth when it comes to the guys that 1364 01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:52,080 Speaker 1: are playing and not getting familiar with them, or as 1365 01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:54,880 Speaker 1: soon as you're familiar with them, they're gone. That gives 1366 01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:57,839 Speaker 1: you even less of a reason to pay attention in November, December, 1367 01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:01,679 Speaker 1: and January, not even factoring in dealing with the NFL 1368 01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:04,200 Speaker 1: and college football, which dwarf you. 1369 01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:07,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of my takeaway as well, is I 1370 01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:12,479 Speaker 2: love college hoops. I understand the plight, but I would 1371 01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:15,759 Speaker 2: also say, I just think one, it's kind of where 1372 01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:20,120 Speaker 2: we are. Two, Like this is gonna sound weird, Jason, 1373 01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:24,160 Speaker 2: if you want to care about college basketball's regular season, like, 1374 01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:28,000 Speaker 2: it's kind of your prerogative to do it, and because 1375 01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:31,040 Speaker 2: you know, I find it interesting is and this might 1376 01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:34,600 Speaker 2: be a separate conversation unto itself, but you know, you 1377 01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:37,000 Speaker 2: could sit there and say, oh, the rosters change and 1378 01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:39,720 Speaker 2: this happens, and that happens, and that's true. But you 1379 01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:43,160 Speaker 2: Kon is the defending national champion. They returned two starters 1380 01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:45,120 Speaker 2: from last year and three of their top six players. 1381 01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:46,920 Speaker 2: So you can't sit there and say, oh, I mean 1382 01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:49,960 Speaker 2: everybody's roster changes every time. It's like, if you care 1383 01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:52,679 Speaker 2: about college basketball, you're familiar with a couple of guys 1384 01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:54,439 Speaker 2: on Yukon from last year. You can't say it's all 1385 01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:56,719 Speaker 2: portal guys and you never heard of them and whatever. 1386 01:12:57,200 --> 01:13:01,000 Speaker 2: I just I, you know, I don't even know a 1387 01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:02,880 Speaker 2: point I'm trying to make. I guess it's just that 1388 01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:05,680 Speaker 2: I think what you said is right. It just is 1389 01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:09,240 Speaker 2: what it is. There's no going back. I don't think 1390 01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:11,960 Speaker 2: there's really any changing it now. I do think with 1391 01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:14,719 Speaker 2: nil the way that it is, I think fringe players 1392 01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:17,479 Speaker 2: that maybe are good college players but not good pros 1393 01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:21,559 Speaker 2: will stay longer. But again, is that going to get 1394 01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:24,080 Speaker 2: people to tune in? I don't know. I would also say, too, 1395 01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:26,080 Speaker 2: it hurts, and this is a little bit nerdy, but 1396 01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:31,840 Speaker 2: the NBA draft, this upcoming NBA draft is essentially like 1397 01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:33,800 Speaker 2: on track to be one of the worst that we 1398 01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:37,080 Speaker 2: have ever seen. And we could have a situation where 1399 01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:40,519 Speaker 2: several of the top players are from overseas yep, and 1400 01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:42,840 Speaker 2: a couple of them, you know, are American but don't 1401 01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:45,760 Speaker 2: play college basketball. And it's like, I think that's part 1402 01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:50,639 Speaker 2: of it too. There's just like you can't even get 1403 01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:53,720 Speaker 2: excited about if you're an NBA fan, or even if 1404 01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:58,320 Speaker 2: you're a network like ESPN, you can't even sell hey, 1405 01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:01,400 Speaker 2: here's the next Zion, here's next to this, because the 1406 01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:03,120 Speaker 2: top five picks of the draft might not even be 1407 01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:06,200 Speaker 2: college players, or at least high profile college players that 1408 01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:09,360 Speaker 2: play at major schools. So I don't know if there's 1409 01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:11,679 Speaker 2: anything else to add. I just think it's a tough 1410 01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:15,160 Speaker 2: situation without a fix. If you love college basketball, you'll 1411 01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:17,880 Speaker 2: start paying attention before March. And if you just love 1412 01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:20,800 Speaker 2: the excitement of the tournament, this is probably about the 1413 01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:22,080 Speaker 2: time that you start to pay attention. 1414 01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:25,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'll see whatever else real time I 1415 01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:27,880 Speaker 1: have to disager. I will say that international points another 1416 01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:30,040 Speaker 1: one that we both were kind of making to one 1417 01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:33,240 Speaker 1: another this afternoon. I mean, you've got Luca, You've got Jannis, 1418 01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:36,559 Speaker 1: You've got Wemby. You just don't have that many guys 1419 01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:39,760 Speaker 1: coming out of college that are making significant differences on 1420 01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:42,680 Speaker 1: a superstar level in the NBA, and that again just 1421 01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,960 Speaker 1: kind of gives off the impression of a minor league 1422 01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:50,480 Speaker 1: that just doesn't have the same level of just flash 1423 01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:52,439 Speaker 1: and importance as it once did. 1424 01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:54,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll just wrap by saying this. I was talking 1425 01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:56,880 Speaker 2: to a buddy around the NBA Draft last year, and 1426 01:14:57,280 --> 01:14:59,320 Speaker 2: you know, he's kind of our age, and you know, 1427 01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:01,120 Speaker 2: he said, he's like, you know, you go back to 1428 01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:04,000 Speaker 2: when I was a kid, you know, early mid late nineties. 1429 01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:07,360 Speaker 2: It wasn't just that guy stayed longer but there was 1430 01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:12,000 Speaker 2: a correlation between like the best players in college, the 1431 01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:14,120 Speaker 2: best teams in college had the best players. The best 1432 01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:17,240 Speaker 2: players were usually the highest draft picks. You know, Christian 1433 01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:19,080 Speaker 2: Layner was really good. He was the top three pick. 1434 01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:20,840 Speaker 2: Shack was really good, he was the number one pick. 1435 01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:23,200 Speaker 2: Chris Weber was really good. He was the number one pick. 1436 01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:26,040 Speaker 2: And it's like the last couple of years, it's like 1437 01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:29,120 Speaker 2: the best college players are twenty four to twenty three 1438 01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:31,320 Speaker 2: year old fifty year seniors that have a COVID year 1439 01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:34,519 Speaker 2: that aren't even the NBA draft prospects. So it's an 1440 01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:37,800 Speaker 2: interesting conversation, probably something we will dive into in the 1441 01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:40,800 Speaker 2: upcoming weeks, because obviously it is college hoops season. Take 1442 01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:42,720 Speaker 2: a quick break. We'll come back to Saga with his 1443 01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:46,679 Speaker 2: extended update. He'll have plenty to close out our two 1444 01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:51,000 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio Welcome back everybody. Fox Sports Radio er Torris, 1445 01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:54,160 Speaker 2: Jason Martin Broadcasting and I from the Tireck dot Com studios. 1446 01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:56,200 Speaker 2: Went a little longer the last segment, so want to 1447 01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:59,000 Speaker 2: go straight to the news desk to sager extended update. 1448 01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:00,400 Speaker 2: The Floor's yours, guys. 1449 01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:03,320 Speaker 4: For those who didn't hear the story yesterday, it Bears, 1450 01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:07,000 Speaker 4: repeating from Kansas City's Research Medical Center, they released a 1451 01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:09,799 Speaker 4: statement that said Chiefs fans were among the twelve people 1452 01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:15,040 Speaker 4: who required amputations due to frostbite after this postseason. Remember 1453 01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:18,400 Speaker 4: the cold wildcard game that Kansas City hosted against Miami, 1454 01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:21,439 Speaker 4: And obviously there was quite a cold stretch that lasted 1455 01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:24,479 Speaker 4: not just longer than one night, but longer than one week. 1456 01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:27,720 Speaker 4: But the medical center says it expects that number to 1457 01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:31,200 Speaker 4: grow as injuries evolve over the next two to four weeks. 1458 01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:35,400 Speaker 4: Frostbite victims, including some Chiefs fans, were also admitted and 1459 01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:39,880 Speaker 4: treated at University of Kansas Hospital. At kickoff that night 1460 01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:43,519 Speaker 4: the Chief's wildcard game against the Dolphins, it was minus 1461 01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:47,280 Speaker 4: four degrees, still the NFL record for coldest game in 1462 01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:51,320 Speaker 4: history so called Ice Bowl. At lambeau Field Green Bay, 1463 01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:54,360 Speaker 4: where the Packers won the nineteen sixty seven title game 1464 01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:57,920 Speaker 4: against the Cowboys, it was minus thirteen and minus forty 1465 01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:02,640 Speaker 4: eight win chill, cold weather or hot, Take weather seriously. 1466 01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:06,120 Speaker 4: Also take any extreme weather seriously, Like when the street 1467 01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:09,080 Speaker 4: becomes a river and you think you can cross it, 1468 01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:11,840 Speaker 4: it doesn't care about you. Take it seriously, and you know, 1469 01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:15,240 Speaker 4: always always, guys, we see people with the shirts off 1470 01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:17,360 Speaker 4: at the cold weather games and get them. They know 1471 01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:20,599 Speaker 4: it's a way to get themselves on tebe. There are 1472 01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:23,479 Speaker 4: there are repercussions apparently for that. Just keep that in mind. 1473 01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:26,280 Speaker 4: Free country, make your own decision. Just keep in mind 1474 01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:29,920 Speaker 4: some people literally had amputations due to frostbite. 1475 01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:33,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's chance of getting digits, guys, if you lose 1476 01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:35,000 Speaker 1: digits in the process. 1477 01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:39,880 Speaker 4: Oh, very good. The big news for Kansas City Chiefs 1478 01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:42,640 Speaker 4: fans came tonight that Chris Jones will not become a 1479 01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:45,240 Speaker 4: free agent this month. The star defensive tackle gets a 1480 01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:49,800 Speaker 4: five year contract, reportedly the highest annual average salary for 1481 01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:53,000 Speaker 4: anybody at that position. Ever, it's worth ninety five million 1482 01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:56,599 Speaker 4: dollars guaranteed for the first three years. Trades become official 1483 01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:59,559 Speaker 4: when the new NFL league year starts on Wednesday. Teams 1484 01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:02,040 Speaker 4: have to be under the new salary cap by that time. 1485 01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:04,959 Speaker 4: There is a trade coming though, as Cleveland is acquiring 1486 01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:08,080 Speaker 4: wide receiver Jerry Judy from Denver. The Eagles re signed 1487 01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:11,799 Speaker 4: veteran defensive end Brandon Graham, and Seattle wide receiver Tyler 1488 01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:15,120 Speaker 4: Lockett is staying. He restructured his two year deal. We 1489 01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:18,320 Speaker 4: have had the first Conference Tournament final for men's hoops. 1490 01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:22,439 Speaker 4: Morehead State one tonight the Ohio Valley Conference beating Little Rock. 1491 01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:26,280 Speaker 4: There are three more conference finals tomorrow. Indiana State, who 1492 01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:29,080 Speaker 4: I look forward to watching, is in the Missouri Valley 1493 01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:33,120 Speaker 4: Conference championship game against Drake. Stetson's in the Atlantic Sun 1494 01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:37,000 Speaker 4: Final tomorrow against Austin p and unc Asheville is in 1495 01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:40,960 Speaker 4: the Big South Final tomorrow against Longwood Guys. Selection Sunday 1496 01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:44,559 Speaker 4: for the NCAA Tournament is a week from tomorrow. It 1497 01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:47,480 Speaker 4: is on the seventeenth. It will be five conference tournaments 1498 01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:51,120 Speaker 4: ending that day. The Final Four starts in early April 1499 01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:55,440 Speaker 4: in Arizona. Will the Wildcats be there? Fifth ranked Arizona 1500 01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:58,320 Speaker 4: you pretty much spelled it out airin earlier in the show. 1501 01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:01,240 Speaker 4: Probably not getting a one seed and therefore maybe not 1502 01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:04,599 Speaker 4: playing in Los Angeles in the regionals. We'll see, maybe 1503 01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:07,880 Speaker 4: not to the final four, which is in Phoenix. Arizona 1504 01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:11,160 Speaker 4: somehow lost at USC tonight seventy eight to sixty five. 1505 01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:14,680 Speaker 4: The Trojans injured with a record of thirteen and seventeen. 1506 01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:18,439 Speaker 4: This weekend ends the regular season. In men's college hoops, 1507 01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:23,120 Speaker 4: Houston absolutely dominated Kansas today. Number one Houston twenty eight 1508 01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:26,840 Speaker 4: and three. Well, they beat a Kansas team that also 1509 01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:29,720 Speaker 4: suffered an injury second half center Hunter Dickinson will have 1510 01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:33,640 Speaker 4: an MRI for a dislocated shoulder. You know, UCF won 1511 01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:36,240 Speaker 4: a close one at TCU today. TCU went nine to 1512 01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:38,920 Speaker 4: nine in the Big Twelve conference. Kansas went ten and 1513 01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:42,120 Speaker 4: eight in conference, with plenty of road losses. Infect today 1514 01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:44,840 Speaker 4: the Jayhawks from three point range were three for twenty one. 1515 01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:49,360 Speaker 4: They lose seventy six forty six at Houston for Kansas 1516 01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:52,880 Speaker 4: its fewest number of points against a conference opponent since 1517 01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:56,880 Speaker 4: nineteen eighty two. And congrats to yukon twenty eight and 1518 01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:58,960 Speaker 4: three the comeback win at Providence. 1519 01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:02,800 Speaker 2: Very much, Steven Seger. As you said, a lot of 1520 01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:05,760 Speaker 2: college hoops and by the way, one game still tipping off. 1521 01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:09,640 Speaker 2: You stand up for the West Coast Conference quarterfinal San Francisco, 1522 01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:12,160 Speaker 2: and I don't know we're on for another hour. Air 1523 01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:16,320 Speaker 2: Tors Jason Martin, this is Fox Sports Radio. Welcome in everybody, 1524 01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:22,439 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Sunday, Saturday Sunday, depending on 1525 01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:25,920 Speaker 2: where you are Aertors Jason Martin, we are broadcasting live 1526 01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:29,360 Speaker 2: from the tire rack dot Com studios. Yes, we are 1527 01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:33,960 Speaker 2: live one am Eastern time. 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Jason biggest stories in sports probably 1536 01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:09,759 Speaker 2: even here a month or so after the NFL season ended, 1537 01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:14,240 Speaker 2: remain NFL related. Obviously, free agency is about to start. 1538 01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:16,960 Speaker 2: We had the combine last week. We talked to lead 1539 01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:19,759 Speaker 2: the show about Chris Jones re signing with the Kansas 1540 01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:22,360 Speaker 2: City Chiefs. I think both you and I just just 1541 01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:24,439 Speaker 2: you know, just puts them right at the top of 1542 01:21:24,439 --> 01:21:26,840 Speaker 2: the heap again next year. But I kind of want 1543 01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:29,479 Speaker 2: to talk about all of the other stuff that could 1544 01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:32,040 Speaker 2: happen over the next couple of weeks. I want to 1545 01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:35,360 Speaker 2: start with probably the biggest name available you could argue 1546 01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:38,200 Speaker 2: if he's the best at the quarterback position, that is 1547 01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:41,080 Speaker 2: Russell Wilson. So, Russell Wilson, this week we found out 1548 01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:43,200 Speaker 2: that he is not going to be a part of 1549 01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:46,920 Speaker 2: the of the Denver Broncos going forward. That is a 1550 01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:50,120 Speaker 2: surprise to absolutely no one. The big question is where 1551 01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:54,080 Speaker 2: will he end up next? Visited the Pittsburgh Steelers this week, 1552 01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:57,920 Speaker 2: visited the New York Giants. I guess in theory, there 1553 01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:02,520 Speaker 2: are some other teams that are looking for quarterbacks. But 1554 01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:05,280 Speaker 2: where do you think Russell Wilson is playing next year? 1555 01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:08,160 Speaker 2: And I assume that you think he does end up somewhere. 1556 01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:09,599 Speaker 2: It is worth noting, by the way, and I think 1557 01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:12,040 Speaker 2: this is an important part of this conversation actually, is 1558 01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:15,280 Speaker 2: that because of all the money that the Denver Broncos 1559 01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:19,720 Speaker 2: will owe him thirty nine plus million dollars, he can 1560 01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:23,280 Speaker 2: play somewhere else for a million or two and basically 1561 01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:26,559 Speaker 2: you get Russell Wilson for nothing this year. So I 1562 01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:28,240 Speaker 2: think he's gonna end up somewhere. And we can have 1563 01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:30,240 Speaker 2: a conversation about that in a minute. But I assume 1564 01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:31,799 Speaker 2: that you probably think the same. 1565 01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:34,960 Speaker 1: James, Oh yeah, I don't think he's interested in being 1566 01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:39,320 Speaker 1: a backup because I think that at this stage, Russell 1567 01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:44,960 Speaker 1: Wilson wants. He wants his career to end differently than 1568 01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:47,680 Speaker 1: it would if it ended in Denver. He wants the 1569 01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:51,200 Speaker 1: lasting memory of him to be positive, and unfortunately for him, 1570 01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:53,400 Speaker 1: it just it just didn't work out in Denver in 1571 01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:56,839 Speaker 1: that way. So he wants to write this last chapter 1572 01:22:57,280 --> 01:23:01,519 Speaker 1: and have it end differently. I think that that point 1573 01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:04,559 Speaker 1: that you made about the salary because of the dead 1574 01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:09,440 Speaker 1: cap money makes him much more appealing to a team 1575 01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:12,240 Speaker 1: if he's willing to, and I imagine he would be. 1576 01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:16,320 Speaker 1: Just the vision can be, Hey, I'll come in and 1577 01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:18,920 Speaker 1: you can just whatever tools you want to hand me, 1578 01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:23,280 Speaker 1: you spend the money on them, and that is that's appealing. 1579 01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:27,599 Speaker 1: Or whatever tools you have now you can keep because 1580 01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:29,479 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna cost you an arm and a leg. 1581 01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:31,679 Speaker 1: I already cost an arm and a leg last time, 1582 01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:34,160 Speaker 1: And so you end up being the benefactor of that 1583 01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:37,720 Speaker 1: one step removed. So I think that that puts him 1584 01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:40,840 Speaker 1: in a good position. Why wouldn't you take a flyer 1585 01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:42,960 Speaker 1: on Russell Wilson at that point unless you think he's 1586 01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:46,679 Speaker 1: some kind of chemistry killer. To me, Pittsburgh's where he's 1587 01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:50,520 Speaker 1: gonna end up. One thing I just feel just it 1588 01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:54,280 Speaker 1: fits to me. His just kind of the way he 1589 01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:57,960 Speaker 1: goes about his business. I don't think that he's gonna 1590 01:23:58,040 --> 01:24:01,719 Speaker 1: have much trouble with Mike Tomlin. Yeah, it just seems 1591 01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:04,360 Speaker 1: like those two guys can coexist. It seems like they 1592 01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:08,120 Speaker 1: can get along well. They just don't have a quarterback there. 1593 01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:11,960 Speaker 1: I don't hate Kenny Pickett, but it's hard to see 1594 01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:18,760 Speaker 1: his ceiling being anything approaching what you want long term 1595 01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:21,240 Speaker 1: as your answer. So if Russ is out there and 1596 01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:23,160 Speaker 1: you can get him dirt cheap and bring him in, 1597 01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:25,760 Speaker 1: they already have some weaponry there. They always have wide 1598 01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:29,200 Speaker 1: receivers coming out the nose. In Pittsburgh, that's a team 1599 01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:31,720 Speaker 1: that had some things you liked and didn't have a quarterback, 1600 01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:33,680 Speaker 1: and so there wasn't all that much to like at 1601 01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:35,080 Speaker 1: the end of the day. By the time you got 1602 01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:37,599 Speaker 1: to the end of the year, you're gonna bring tom back, 1603 01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:40,680 Speaker 1: which if he had been let go, somebody would have 1604 01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:43,120 Speaker 1: picked him up quickly because I still find him to 1605 01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:47,120 Speaker 1: be exquisite, just an outstanding leader, motivator, coach. Thought he did, 1606 01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:51,400 Speaker 1: I thought he overperformed last year as well. I would 1607 01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:53,160 Speaker 1: give that a shot. I don't think it makes sense 1608 01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:56,120 Speaker 1: in New York. It does from the media market standpoint, 1609 01:24:56,439 --> 01:24:58,040 Speaker 1: but that would have been the media market of a 1610 01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:00,400 Speaker 1: couple of years ago. If you're at all scar optical 1611 01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:02,599 Speaker 1: about what Russell Wilson could do, you can't put him 1612 01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:05,040 Speaker 1: in New York because that's gonna go really poorly, really 1613 01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:08,880 Speaker 1: really fast, especially if he's looking opposite his own city 1614 01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:11,760 Speaker 1: at Aaron Rodgers for a year. I don't think you 1615 01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:15,000 Speaker 1: do it, especially with the Daniel Jones scenario and what 1616 01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:18,639 Speaker 1: you put yourself in a season ago. I think Pittsburgh's 1617 01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:20,040 Speaker 1: where he's gonna end up. I think it's where he 1618 01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:21,760 Speaker 1: should end up, and I'll be curious to see how 1619 01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:22,160 Speaker 1: it works. 1620 01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:24,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, Pittsburgh to me makes the most sense as well. 1621 01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:26,160 Speaker 2: And I think the point that you brought up is 1622 01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:28,360 Speaker 2: interesting and we did not We did discuss this topic 1623 01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:31,920 Speaker 2: in our one, but we didn't discuss this particular angle. 1624 01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:35,200 Speaker 2: And that's that. I you know, I can't say that 1625 01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:38,639 Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin doesn't get enough credit for this, but this 1626 01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:43,680 Speaker 2: guy has dealt with so many different personalities. I mean Antonio, 1627 01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:49,160 Speaker 2: I mean think about Antonio Brown. Really until like the 1628 01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:52,599 Speaker 2: last couple weeks, like you never heard a peep out 1629 01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:55,280 Speaker 2: of him. It was just you know, whatever fell in line, 1630 01:25:55,360 --> 01:26:01,080 Speaker 2: whatever Le'Veon Bell. Obviously there were some issues immediately after 1631 01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:03,000 Speaker 2: he left Pittsburgh, So you go on and on down 1632 01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:06,400 Speaker 2: the list, Martavis, Bryant, whatever, And obviously Russell Wilson's kind 1633 01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:08,040 Speaker 2: of a little bit of the opposite. But but but 1634 01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:09,960 Speaker 2: that's the part that I think is intriguing to me, 1635 01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:13,800 Speaker 2: is that whatever it is about Mike Tomlin, by the way, 1636 01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:17,080 Speaker 2: it's you know, it's I feel like he kind of 1637 01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:21,799 Speaker 2: has a lot of the same, you know, character traits 1638 01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:26,040 Speaker 2: of Sean Payton, firm, tough, whatever, but he's not gonna 1639 01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:28,640 Speaker 2: put it out in the open like Sean Payton. Did 1640 01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:31,920 Speaker 2: you know Sean Payton? You know, I forget all the details, 1641 01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:33,760 Speaker 2: but I mean, he basically put that interview out or 1642 01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:36,559 Speaker 2: some it somehow got out, and I forget if he 1643 01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:39,599 Speaker 2: said it directly or whatever. But the quote about stop 1644 01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:42,200 Speaker 2: kissing babies and just focus on football, I don't know. 1645 01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:44,320 Speaker 2: I don't remember if he said that publicly or whatever, 1646 01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:46,720 Speaker 2: but it was clear that he wasn't afraid to tell 1647 01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:50,280 Speaker 2: Russell Wilson, like, dude, focus on football. Where I think 1648 01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:54,479 Speaker 2: even if Mike Tomlin, even if that is a message 1649 01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:57,479 Speaker 2: that he wants delivered to Russell Wilson. I think he's 1650 01:26:57,520 --> 01:26:59,799 Speaker 2: going to do it in a much more tactful way, 1651 01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:03,000 Speaker 2: and I think that can be a much more positive 1652 01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:07,320 Speaker 2: kind of coexistence between head coach and player between the two. 1653 01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:09,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, look, he commands all the respect in the world, 1654 01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:12,479 Speaker 1: does Mike Tomlin, but there is a level of tact 1655 01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:18,720 Speaker 1: full and just a level of he's kind of a 1656 01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:22,720 Speaker 1: father figure Mike Tomlin. It's like behind closed doors. Yeah, 1657 01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:25,640 Speaker 1: he will discipline you and make sure that you were 1658 01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:28,080 Speaker 1: learning what you need to learn, and he'll handle things. 1659 01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:31,640 Speaker 1: But he's much more reserved and much more mature and 1660 01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:34,640 Speaker 1: professional outfront. He's just not the type of guy to 1661 01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:37,000 Speaker 1: blow a gasket on his own guys. And you're right, 1662 01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:40,400 Speaker 1: he has dealt with I mean remember Juju and the 1663 01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:42,800 Speaker 1: phone in the locker room. I mean, the list goes 1664 01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:45,240 Speaker 1: on and on and on and on. He's had some 1665 01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:48,000 Speaker 1: head cases, and he's had some ego maniacs, and of 1666 01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:51,479 Speaker 1: course he had the five year Ben Roethlisberger farewell Tour 1667 01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:55,160 Speaker 1: that he had to deal with as well. And whatever's 1668 01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:58,439 Speaker 1: happened with their offensive coordinator scenario in the last three 1669 01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:00,920 Speaker 1: years or so has been bad. And you want to 1670 01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:05,760 Speaker 1: see that fixed. But I do think that I don't 1671 01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:08,120 Speaker 1: think Russell Wilson goes in there in ruffles feathers. I 1672 01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:12,479 Speaker 1: just don't because I think that he has every reason 1673 01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:16,479 Speaker 1: right now to be a model employee every way that 1674 01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:19,760 Speaker 1: he can be. Because this is now a legacy discussion. 1675 01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:22,439 Speaker 1: This is now how is Russell Wilson going to be 1676 01:28:22,479 --> 01:28:26,519 Speaker 1: talked about when he retires? The articles are now out there, 1677 01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:29,280 Speaker 1: and we had these discussions, in these debates in the 1678 01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:33,280 Speaker 1: moment at the time. Has anybody ever played their way 1679 01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:36,559 Speaker 1: out of a Hall of fame? They were likely already in. 1680 01:28:37,479 --> 01:28:41,280 Speaker 1: And when you look at Wilson right now, man, it 1681 01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:44,599 Speaker 1: is tough to wash the last two years out of 1682 01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:47,600 Speaker 1: your brain, It really is. And then you start to 1683 01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:49,400 Speaker 1: look back and you say, well, was it the legion 1684 01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:53,040 Speaker 1: of boom? Was Richard Sherman? Right? Were these guys right? 1685 01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:54,800 Speaker 1: The ones that sat on the sideline and said, yeah, 1686 01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:56,880 Speaker 1: our quarterback's thrown for one point fifty and we're winning 1687 01:28:56,880 --> 01:28:59,200 Speaker 1: these games and he's getting all the credit and the 1688 01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:01,599 Speaker 1: team is backing him and not backing us, and all 1689 01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:06,120 Speaker 1: this maybe there was some legitimacy. All the questions you 1690 01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:08,680 Speaker 1: might have ever had about Russell Wilson came to the 1691 01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:11,880 Speaker 1: fore and you reevaluated what you had answered at the time. 1692 01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:16,320 Speaker 1: So that to me, like the Steelers as a whole, 1693 01:29:16,479 --> 01:29:21,600 Speaker 1: irregardless of the head case scenario, one of the most professional, 1694 01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:27,240 Speaker 1: well run organizations in all of pro sports forever basically. So, 1695 01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:31,360 Speaker 1: this is a guy that is a politician in a 1696 01:29:31,439 --> 01:29:34,040 Speaker 1: lot of ways. At least his public persona has been 1697 01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:37,840 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. What's genuine we don't know because we don't 1698 01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:40,439 Speaker 1: know Russell Wilson personally. And then you go to a 1699 01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:43,840 Speaker 1: tough minded, old school head coach and Mike Tomlin, who 1700 01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:50,200 Speaker 1: also has a respect of everybody, has authority, has gravitas, 1701 01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:53,599 Speaker 1: but is also more of a diplomat as opposed to 1702 01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:56,840 Speaker 1: a hot head, especially in public. And I think that's 1703 01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:59,559 Speaker 1: exactly what Russell Wilson needs. I don't think he needs 1704 01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:01,880 Speaker 1: the bright li lights of New York. He needs the 1705 01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:05,599 Speaker 1: blue collar mentality of a city that wants to win. 1706 01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:07,840 Speaker 2: Again, here's the other thing too, I mean, you look 1707 01:30:07,880 --> 01:30:13,200 Speaker 2: at the Giants, what do they have, Like right, Sequan's gone. 1708 01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:17,760 Speaker 2: I don't know what else there really was besides him. 1709 01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:21,559 Speaker 2: But you know, Steelers have George Pickens, they have obviously 1710 01:30:21,640 --> 01:30:25,679 Speaker 2: a very good defense. This assuming that the Steelers want him, 1711 01:30:26,360 --> 01:30:29,200 Speaker 2: and again they met this weekend. There was no official 1712 01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:34,439 Speaker 2: formal deal decided upon, but that has to be the spot. 1713 01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:37,240 Speaker 2: I'll say this, like for football, I think that's the 1714 01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:40,840 Speaker 2: most interesting thing too, because you know Russell Wilson, Like, 1715 01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:43,760 Speaker 2: like you just said, it's a weird fit with the Giants. 1716 01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:47,720 Speaker 2: The Giants are just weird in general because they gave 1717 01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:52,040 Speaker 2: Daniel Jones the multi year extension last offseason. Now you're 1718 01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:54,679 Speaker 2: hearing that they're over him and they're working out quarterbacks 1719 01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:56,720 Speaker 2: at the draft or the combine or whatever. It's like, 1720 01:30:57,040 --> 01:31:01,160 Speaker 2: that's just a weird deal. Whereas the Steelers. I just 1721 01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:04,519 Speaker 2: I want Russell Wilson to go to the Steelers, not 1722 01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:08,160 Speaker 2: because I think he's gonna like revive his career. I 1723 01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:11,479 Speaker 2: think he makes them sort of interesting. Though. I would 1724 01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:14,880 Speaker 2: argue that if Kenny, if they run it back with 1725 01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:17,040 Speaker 2: Kenny Pickett, not only are they probably gonna finish fourth 1726 01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:20,400 Speaker 2: in that division, I just would argue they're maybe one 1727 01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:23,280 Speaker 2: of the two or three least interesting teams in the NFL. 1728 01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:28,519 Speaker 2: I do think Russell Wilson makes them interesting. I don't 1729 01:31:28,520 --> 01:31:30,920 Speaker 2: know that they go to like an eleven win team. 1730 01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:34,800 Speaker 2: But I do think he makes them interesting. And as 1731 01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:37,000 Speaker 2: somebody who's just you know, in the business of watching 1732 01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:39,519 Speaker 2: this stuff every week like you are, Jason, I think 1733 01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:41,360 Speaker 2: it'd just be fun to see if it works and 1734 01:31:41,400 --> 01:31:41,960 Speaker 2: if it doesn't. 1735 01:31:42,360 --> 01:31:45,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's true. I really do. And you 1736 01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:48,240 Speaker 1: look at it again, the Giants, it just doesn't It 1737 01:31:48,280 --> 01:31:51,160 Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. I mean, they and the Daniel Jones 1738 01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:53,920 Speaker 1: decision that they made. It's like they had fourteen in 1739 01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:57,800 Speaker 1: a hand of blackjack in Stade, Like it's we knew 1740 01:31:57,880 --> 01:32:01,639 Speaker 1: they didn't have the nuts in their hand and they 1741 01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:04,519 Speaker 1: still held onto it. And then now they've put themselves 1742 01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:07,280 Speaker 1: in a bad position and now they just don't look 1743 01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:10,880 Speaker 1: like a franchise that's on the right track. They look 1744 01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:12,679 Speaker 1: like they're kind of lost and they're trying to figure 1745 01:32:12,680 --> 01:32:15,479 Speaker 1: out who they are. Pittsburgh always knows who they are, 1746 01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:18,080 Speaker 1: except that they haven't had an offensive identity over the 1747 01:32:18,120 --> 01:32:20,240 Speaker 1: last few years because of Matt Canada and because of 1748 01:32:20,240 --> 01:32:23,760 Speaker 1: what they've done on that coordinator front. But I know, 1749 01:32:24,200 --> 01:32:26,240 Speaker 1: but when you think of the Pittsburgh Steelers, there's a 1750 01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:29,519 Speaker 1: certain just kind of mindset and idea that pops in 1751 01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:33,040 Speaker 1: your head immediately about how they go about their business. 1752 01:32:34,040 --> 01:32:38,439 Speaker 1: I do think that that is the one place where 1753 01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:41,559 Speaker 1: as you said, there would be a heavy curiosity factor 1754 01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:45,360 Speaker 1: for me as to what Russell Wilson's got left because 1755 01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:48,559 Speaker 1: the chip on his shoulder has to be large, and 1756 01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:52,960 Speaker 1: just his desire to change how people are talking about 1757 01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:55,880 Speaker 1: him at the end of his career. That's a risk 1758 01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:58,840 Speaker 1: you take, and it's it's definitely a bet you make, 1759 01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:02,680 Speaker 1: considering what you said earlier about how cheaply you can 1760 01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:05,479 Speaker 1: likely get him because of the deadcap situation and the money. 1761 01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:06,880 Speaker 1: Russ has already earned. 1762 01:33:07,240 --> 01:33:09,519 Speaker 2: A lot of interesting things with Russell Wilson. But I'll 1763 01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:11,760 Speaker 2: tell you this, Jason, there's a lot of interesting other 1764 01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:15,000 Speaker 2: quarterback dominos that are going to fall, probably in the 1765 01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:18,879 Speaker 2: next few days. Kirk Cousins justin Fields. 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Fox Sports Radio Erra Torres 1779 01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:10,919 Speaker 2: Jason Martin broadcasting live fromnetireck dot com studios. For the break, 1780 01:34:11,240 --> 01:34:16,639 Speaker 2: we were talking about Russell Wilson. Will he be a Steeler? 1781 01:34:17,320 --> 01:34:21,240 Speaker 2: Will he be a Giant? Will he potentially be something else? 1782 01:34:21,640 --> 01:34:23,280 Speaker 2: I want to switch gears, Jason, I want to talk 1783 01:34:23,320 --> 01:34:27,920 Speaker 2: about some of the other guys that are available. I 1784 01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:33,800 Speaker 2: don't know like that I'm surprised, but I guess I'm 1785 01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:37,960 Speaker 2: sort of surprised. It seems like there's a very robust 1786 01:34:38,040 --> 01:34:42,439 Speaker 2: market for Kirk Cousins, relatively speaking, like of the guys 1787 01:34:42,479 --> 01:34:46,280 Speaker 2: that are available, you know, that have been in the NFL, 1788 01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:49,960 Speaker 2: so we're not obviously talking about draft picks. It seems 1789 01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:52,160 Speaker 2: like there's really two or three teams that are interested 1790 01:34:52,360 --> 01:34:55,400 Speaker 2: in Kirk Cousins now one of them is the Minnesota 1791 01:34:55,439 --> 01:34:58,880 Speaker 2: Vikings potentially bringing him back. But you know, you talk 1792 01:34:58,920 --> 01:35:02,599 Speaker 2: about a guy that is obviously coming off Achilles surgery, 1793 01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:04,920 Speaker 2: and we know he's you know, certainly not the only 1794 01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:08,880 Speaker 2: high profile quarterback doing so. But you know, a guy 1795 01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:12,360 Speaker 2: that's coming off Achille surgery, a guy that, of course 1796 01:35:12,439 --> 01:35:15,920 Speaker 2: is what in his mid thirties right now, thirty five, 1797 01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:20,040 Speaker 2: he'll be thirty six in August, and like a lot 1798 01:35:20,040 --> 01:35:22,400 Speaker 2: of regular season success, but you know, a couple of 1799 01:35:22,439 --> 01:35:24,000 Speaker 2: years ago they won a lot of close games. They 1800 01:35:24,040 --> 01:35:26,439 Speaker 2: being the Vikings, they obviously lost in the first round 1801 01:35:26,479 --> 01:35:29,400 Speaker 2: of the play. Like, I just I'm surprised, that's all 1802 01:35:29,439 --> 01:35:33,040 Speaker 2: I'm saying. And it seems as though there's interest from Atlanta. 1803 01:35:33,080 --> 01:35:35,240 Speaker 2: I referenced it earlier. I think it was field Yates 1804 01:35:35,280 --> 01:35:37,479 Speaker 2: said he wouldn't be surprised, and I think he was 1805 01:35:37,560 --> 01:35:39,080 Speaker 2: kind of throwing out some loose numbers, but he said 1806 01:35:39,080 --> 01:35:40,559 Speaker 2: he want to be surprised at a two year, one 1807 01:35:40,680 --> 01:35:43,240 Speaker 2: hundred million dollar deal for Kirk Cousins, which sounds crazy 1808 01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:45,920 Speaker 2: to me. I guess I'm just surprised that there are 1809 01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:49,519 Speaker 2: that many people interested in Kirk Cousins given the injury history. Age, 1810 01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:50,000 Speaker 2: et cetera. 1811 01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:56,040 Speaker 1: He does. There are times watching Kirk Cousins where you're 1812 01:35:56,120 --> 01:35:58,080 Speaker 1: really kind of blown away with what he can do 1813 01:35:58,600 --> 01:36:02,280 Speaker 1: throwing the football, and you've seen him succeed with the 1814 01:36:02,320 --> 01:36:07,519 Speaker 1: receiving talent that he has had in Minnesota specifically. I 1815 01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:09,599 Speaker 1: think that a lot of this is just he might 1816 01:36:09,640 --> 01:36:13,519 Speaker 1: be the best that's out there. It's not that you know, 1817 01:36:13,560 --> 01:36:16,760 Speaker 1: you usually don't have a Patrick Mahomes come available. You 1818 01:36:16,760 --> 01:36:19,000 Speaker 1: don't have a Lamar Jackson. You don't have a Josh Allen, 1819 01:36:19,040 --> 01:36:20,960 Speaker 1: you don't have a Justin Herbert or Joe Burrow. A 1820 01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:22,760 Speaker 1: lot of these guys get paid. You just don't see 1821 01:36:22,760 --> 01:36:27,080 Speaker 1: it happen that often until later in their career. I mean, 1822 01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:29,960 Speaker 1: is Kirk Cousins a Tier one guy? No? Is he 1823 01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:33,760 Speaker 1: a Tier two guy? Probably not. He's somewhere in that 1824 01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:40,040 Speaker 1: two edgy two to decent three range. I think if 1825 01:36:40,080 --> 01:36:44,160 Speaker 1: you're Atlanta, that looks really appetizing because you just don't 1826 01:36:44,160 --> 01:36:48,160 Speaker 1: have very much. Desmond Ritter, you couldn't even stick with him. 1827 01:36:48,240 --> 01:36:50,120 Speaker 1: You made a move, You got rid Arthur Smith, you 1828 01:36:50,160 --> 01:36:55,440 Speaker 1: brought in something new. And I believe that Raheen Morris 1829 01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:58,320 Speaker 1: has a tie to Kirk Cousins that has passed a 1830 01:36:58,360 --> 01:37:00,280 Speaker 1: little bit knows him pretty well, so I think that 1831 01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:04,000 Speaker 1: probably helps his case. I don't think that Kirk Cousins 1832 01:37:04,120 --> 01:37:06,680 Speaker 1: is anything all world, but if he stays healthy, he 1833 01:37:06,760 --> 01:37:08,880 Speaker 1: is a guy that can do a lot of good 1834 01:37:08,920 --> 01:37:13,080 Speaker 1: things for you. And you've got to have a quarterback, 1835 01:37:13,080 --> 01:37:14,719 Speaker 1: and if you don't have one, you have to figure 1836 01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:16,439 Speaker 1: something out. And if you don't have one of the 1837 01:37:16,479 --> 01:37:19,040 Speaker 1: top draft picks, then unless you've fallen in love with 1838 01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:21,840 Speaker 1: somebody a little bit later on, and maybe you have, 1839 01:37:22,640 --> 01:37:25,439 Speaker 1: or you want to take that risk, then Kirk Cousins 1840 01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:27,920 Speaker 1: might be your best option. And for some reason, when 1841 01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:31,719 Speaker 1: it comes to Kirk Cousins, it's never cheap, never ever cheap. 1842 01:37:31,880 --> 01:37:34,040 Speaker 1: I think it's Brady Quinn said this on Two Pros 1843 01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:35,479 Speaker 1: and a Couple of Joe a couple of weeks ago. 1844 01:37:35,479 --> 01:37:36,880 Speaker 1: I think it it might have been LeVar. It was 1845 01:37:36,920 --> 01:37:40,760 Speaker 1: one of them basically saying, man, Kirk Cousins is just 1846 01:37:41,520 --> 01:37:43,519 Speaker 1: you just tip your cap to him. The way that 1847 01:37:43,560 --> 01:37:46,440 Speaker 1: he's kind of handled his career from a negotiating standpoint, 1848 01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:48,519 Speaker 1: the money that he's made. We used to talk about 1849 01:37:48,520 --> 01:37:52,120 Speaker 1: that with like Sam Bradford and Chase Daniel and some 1850 01:37:52,200 --> 01:37:54,759 Speaker 1: of those guys, Kirk Cousins is the one that's still 1851 01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:57,519 Speaker 1: active in the league that just keeps on getting paid 1852 01:37:57,920 --> 01:38:00,519 Speaker 1: and keeps on and when it's time to pay, it's 1853 01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:03,840 Speaker 1: always more than you probably think it should be when 1854 01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:06,840 Speaker 1: you see her, like, really is he worth that? I 1855 01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:09,200 Speaker 1: don't know. But if he's got that's all he needs. 1856 01:38:09,400 --> 01:38:11,519 Speaker 1: Is if the story's right and he's got you know, 1857 01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:13,679 Speaker 1: three four teams that are really looking at him hard, 1858 01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:16,040 Speaker 1: that's all it takes. He will get his money, There's 1859 01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:18,720 Speaker 1: no question about it. Because there doesn't seem to be 1860 01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:21,479 Speaker 1: much of a limit when it comes to quarterbacks. There 1861 01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:23,920 Speaker 1: are other positions where you can't get anything close to 1862 01:38:23,920 --> 01:38:26,759 Speaker 1: what you might think you're worth. But if you're Kirk Cousins, 1863 01:38:27,680 --> 01:38:30,840 Speaker 1: what do you think probably the best free agent available, 1864 01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:34,400 Speaker 1: maybe even definitely the best free agent available? What would 1865 01:38:34,479 --> 01:38:36,800 Speaker 1: number two be? Or the guy that's still out there 1866 01:38:36,840 --> 01:38:39,960 Speaker 1: would be a Baker Mayfield or something like that. I mean, 1867 01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:42,719 Speaker 1: you look at Russell Wilson, of course we already talked about. 1868 01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:46,280 Speaker 1: But outside of that, you think about this and you 1869 01:38:46,360 --> 01:38:48,800 Speaker 1: see what's going to come up in the draft, then 1870 01:38:48,800 --> 01:38:55,760 Speaker 1: you've got Minshew or Tannehill or Tyrod Taylor or Jacoby 1871 01:38:55,800 --> 01:39:00,680 Speaker 1: Brissett or Jimmy g or somebody like that. Then Kirk 1872 01:39:00,760 --> 01:39:04,080 Speaker 1: Cousins starts to sound a whole lot more appetizing, And 1873 01:39:04,160 --> 01:39:06,439 Speaker 1: that's what it is. It's like, do you get talked 1874 01:39:06,520 --> 01:39:12,360 Speaker 1: into the thing maybe you don't love because it's by 1875 01:39:12,479 --> 01:39:14,600 Speaker 1: far the best option that's available. 1876 01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:17,240 Speaker 2: So it's interesting because so I agree with all that, 1877 01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:20,320 Speaker 2: and I do agree in a vacuum that Kirk Cousins 1878 01:39:20,720 --> 01:39:24,600 Speaker 2: is the best option available, and I don't know that 1879 01:39:24,640 --> 01:39:27,400 Speaker 2: I necessarily have a strong opinion about this, Like if 1880 01:39:27,400 --> 01:39:30,960 Speaker 2: I'm the Atlanta Falcons and you have to give Kirk 1881 01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:34,599 Speaker 2: Cousins two years fully guaranteed, I don't love it. But okay, 1882 01:39:35,160 --> 01:39:38,719 Speaker 2: here's my counter to that, though. I feel like Justin 1883 01:39:38,840 --> 01:39:44,840 Speaker 2: Fields is, yeah, a super unique situation where he has 1884 01:39:44,960 --> 01:39:47,800 Speaker 2: one year left on that rookie deal and we open 1885 01:39:47,960 --> 01:39:52,000 Speaker 2: the show by talking about the value of a quarterback 1886 01:39:52,080 --> 01:39:54,200 Speaker 2: on the rookie deal, and I don't know if he's 1887 01:39:54,240 --> 01:39:57,240 Speaker 2: the guy. I tend to lean and think that he isn't. 1888 01:39:57,600 --> 01:39:59,839 Speaker 2: But obviously there's been a lot of chaos in Chicago, 1889 01:40:00,600 --> 01:40:03,840 Speaker 2: and so I guess my thing is, if I'm the 1890 01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:06,840 Speaker 2: Atlanta Falcons, and I got to commit two years, one 1891 01:40:06,920 --> 01:40:09,200 Speaker 2: hundred million dollars to Kirk Cousins, and maybe that number 1892 01:40:09,200 --> 01:40:10,760 Speaker 2: is a little bit high. Field dates through that out 1893 01:40:10,800 --> 01:40:13,479 Speaker 2: the other day, or I get one year if Justin 1894 01:40:13,479 --> 01:40:16,559 Speaker 2: Field's on the rookie contract, basically just to see, okay, 1895 01:40:16,680 --> 01:40:20,599 Speaker 2: is there anything salvageable here. I think that's an interesting 1896 01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:23,240 Speaker 2: conversation as well, and that's why I don't understand why 1897 01:40:23,240 --> 01:40:26,160 Speaker 2: there's not a more robust market for Justin Fields. I 1898 01:40:26,240 --> 01:40:31,280 Speaker 2: get if you're the Chicago Bears, you're the Washington Commanders, 1899 01:40:31,560 --> 01:40:33,400 Speaker 2: and you have a chance to draft one of those 1900 01:40:33,479 --> 01:40:36,439 Speaker 2: quarterbacks that we believe is elite. But if it is, 1901 01:40:36,479 --> 01:40:40,840 Speaker 2: whether it's the Raiders or whomever, I just think a 1902 01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:44,080 Speaker 2: one year rental on Justin Fields on a rookie deal 1903 01:40:44,120 --> 01:40:48,240 Speaker 2: to see if there's anything more salvaging that seems more 1904 01:40:48,240 --> 01:40:50,880 Speaker 2: appealing to me than a lot of those names that 1905 01:40:50,920 --> 01:40:54,360 Speaker 2: you mentioned. And I think depending on who you are 1906 01:40:54,400 --> 01:40:56,360 Speaker 2: and what your situation is, I think it's more appealing 1907 01:40:56,400 --> 01:40:59,479 Speaker 2: than giving Kirk Cousins two, three, four years, maybe not 1908 01:40:59,479 --> 01:41:01,559 Speaker 2: four years, but two or three years of guaranteed money. 1909 01:41:01,680 --> 01:41:04,160 Speaker 1: I think that makes sense. I mean, I agree with 1910 01:41:04,200 --> 01:41:07,360 Speaker 1: you on Justin Fields when it comes to I think 1911 01:41:07,400 --> 01:41:10,479 Speaker 1: he can still. I don't think we've seen what Justin 1912 01:41:10,520 --> 01:41:12,880 Speaker 1: Fields is capable of yet. I just think he needs 1913 01:41:12,880 --> 01:41:14,760 Speaker 1: to get out of Chicago, and I think Chicago needs 1914 01:41:14,840 --> 01:41:17,080 Speaker 1: to get out of the Justin Field's business. I think 1915 01:41:17,080 --> 01:41:19,639 Speaker 1: that both those two things need to go in opposite directions. 1916 01:41:19,640 --> 01:41:21,800 Speaker 1: It's not the good timing with where they are in 1917 01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:24,520 Speaker 1: the draft and how it's worked out because of Carolina's 1918 01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:29,360 Speaker 1: ineptitude when you're looking at it from the Falcons perspective. 1919 01:41:29,800 --> 01:41:32,200 Speaker 1: So you do what you say and you bring him in. 1920 01:41:32,520 --> 01:41:33,800 Speaker 1: What do you have to give up to get him? 1921 01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:35,800 Speaker 1: It's the one thing, how much are they going to 1922 01:41:35,840 --> 01:41:38,760 Speaker 1: ask for? But let's say you do that and he 1923 01:41:38,800 --> 01:41:41,559 Speaker 1: comes in and he shows out, and you end up 1924 01:41:41,560 --> 01:41:45,200 Speaker 1: winning ten games something like that, and you start to 1925 01:41:45,479 --> 01:41:48,200 Speaker 1: really see Ben he's really helping to unlock Drake London 1926 01:41:48,240 --> 01:41:52,559 Speaker 1: even more. You assume that you're finally going to get 1927 01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:57,599 Speaker 1: Bijon Robinson unleashed, which he just couldn't do last year 1928 01:41:57,680 --> 01:41:59,840 Speaker 1: because for some reason, they just didn't run the offense 1929 01:42:00,280 --> 01:42:04,439 Speaker 1: the way that I thought they should. Maybe Colpits there's 1930 01:42:04,479 --> 01:42:07,160 Speaker 1: still something there, even though it hasn't lived up anywhere 1931 01:42:07,160 --> 01:42:09,240 Speaker 1: near to what you thought the expectations were going to be. 1932 01:42:09,920 --> 01:42:12,000 Speaker 1: But there was a time when the Falcons looked pretty 1933 01:42:12,040 --> 01:42:14,640 Speaker 1: solid last year. So you let's say you bring them 1934 01:42:14,640 --> 01:42:17,920 Speaker 1: in and you end up winning ten eleven games, then 1935 01:42:18,160 --> 01:42:21,360 Speaker 1: you're in the driver's seat when it comes to then 1936 01:42:21,400 --> 01:42:24,320 Speaker 1: you can make the decision on him long term. That's 1937 01:42:24,360 --> 01:42:26,759 Speaker 1: where the advantage comes here. If you bring in cousins 1938 01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:28,920 Speaker 1: for two three years, you may know it's more of 1939 01:42:28,920 --> 01:42:31,840 Speaker 1: a known quantity I think than Justin Fields is. The 1940 01:42:31,960 --> 01:42:36,880 Speaker 1: risk reward ratio is huge, though, if you strike it 1941 01:42:37,040 --> 01:42:39,799 Speaker 1: rich with Justin Fields because of his age, and then 1942 01:42:40,360 --> 01:42:43,800 Speaker 1: he's probably gonna re sign with you, and you have 1943 01:42:43,880 --> 01:42:46,720 Speaker 1: the opportunity then to pay him and maybe he's not 1944 01:42:46,720 --> 01:42:48,840 Speaker 1: even going to test the market at that point, and 1945 01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:51,400 Speaker 1: you have that opportunity and you've built that relationship, and 1946 01:42:51,439 --> 01:42:54,559 Speaker 1: then you've got your guy for the future. So I 1947 01:42:54,600 --> 01:42:58,360 Speaker 1: could see it both ways. I do think two years 1948 01:42:58,600 --> 01:43:02,120 Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars sounds insane to me, Like that 1949 01:43:02,360 --> 01:43:06,240 Speaker 1: sounds about twenty million, twenty five million too high for 1950 01:43:06,400 --> 01:43:10,040 Speaker 1: my taste. Two years seventy five, okay, two years even eighty, 1951 01:43:10,600 --> 01:43:13,839 Speaker 1: Maybe I could even make that case, but as you mentioned, 1952 01:43:13,880 --> 01:43:17,960 Speaker 1: older guy coming off a pretty substantial injury as well, 1953 01:43:18,760 --> 01:43:22,360 Speaker 1: and there are certainly some flaws when it comes to 1954 01:43:22,680 --> 01:43:24,519 Speaker 1: what he's been able to do in prime time and 1955 01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:26,439 Speaker 1: what he's been able to do in the biggest games 1956 01:43:26,479 --> 01:43:29,960 Speaker 1: in his career. I might I might lean your way. 1957 01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:33,479 Speaker 1: I might lean justin Field's over cousins if the price 1958 01:43:33,560 --> 01:43:34,080 Speaker 1: is not right. 1959 01:43:34,360 --> 01:43:36,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's always an interesting conversation because you know, 1960 01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:39,200 Speaker 2: even these new stavs, you know, you think you have 1961 01:43:39,280 --> 01:43:41,559 Speaker 2: all this time to get it figured out and take 1962 01:43:41,600 --> 01:43:44,400 Speaker 2: a flyer. The counter is you could be Matt Ruhle. 1963 01:43:44,439 --> 01:43:46,960 Speaker 2: Remember Matt Rule was like, Wow, I'm gonna try Sam 1964 01:43:47,040 --> 01:43:49,760 Speaker 2: Darnold and I'm gonna try Teddy Bridgewater and he just 1965 01:43:49,760 --> 01:43:51,080 Speaker 2: never found the quarterback and he was out of the 1966 01:43:51,120 --> 01:43:54,240 Speaker 2: league in three years. Now, in hindsight, maybe the situation 1967 01:43:54,360 --> 01:43:56,760 Speaker 2: in Carolina was a bit more chaotic. But at the 1968 01:43:56,760 --> 01:43:59,160 Speaker 2: same time, I think everybody thinks they have more time 1969 01:43:59,200 --> 01:44:01,800 Speaker 2: than they have, So I see both sides, but I 1970 01:44:01,840 --> 01:44:04,240 Speaker 2: think justin Fields, because you basically get one year that 1971 01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:07,559 Speaker 2: rookie contract is so interesting. Fox Sports Radio Air tours 1972 01:44:07,640 --> 01:44:10,920 Speaker 2: Jays Martin broadcasting live from the Tyreck Dot com Studios 1973 01:44:11,160 --> 01:44:15,920 Speaker 2: will come back. One other NFL transaction that is worth discussing. 1974 01:44:16,120 --> 01:44:18,879 Speaker 2: We'll get to that next but first, for the final 1975 01:44:19,080 --> 01:44:23,680 Speaker 2: time this evening, Steve de Seger, what's trending is not 1976 01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:26,320 Speaker 2: often we have our one thirty trending and we have 1977 01:44:26,520 --> 01:44:28,400 Speaker 2: live basketball on right now. 1978 01:44:28,520 --> 01:44:31,240 Speaker 4: So you mentioned the late game in Las Vegas going on. 1979 01:44:31,400 --> 01:44:35,000 Speaker 4: That is West Coast Conference Tournament quarterfinal. San Francisco's already 1980 01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:38,120 Speaker 4: up thirty eight seventeen late first half against Portland, So. 1981 01:44:38,160 --> 01:44:40,800 Speaker 1: Let's deep o Samuel's obese. What can I say? 1982 01:44:42,600 --> 01:44:45,120 Speaker 4: This might be the Dons of the University of San Francisco, 1983 01:44:45,240 --> 01:44:46,680 Speaker 4: but I'll just say, okay. 1984 01:44:46,720 --> 01:44:49,639 Speaker 1: Thirty eight seventeen sounds like an NFL score, Steve, That's very. 1985 01:44:49,560 --> 01:44:52,519 Speaker 4: Much it does. It is a first half score, by 1986 01:44:52,560 --> 01:44:54,759 Speaker 4: the way, so that is quite a bit of scoring. 1987 01:44:56,439 --> 01:44:59,360 Speaker 4: Can I mention that? And this will be no doubt 1988 01:44:59,360 --> 01:45:02,960 Speaker 4: talked about for the next week as well, that it's 1989 01:45:03,080 --> 01:45:05,960 Speaker 4: just stupid that some leagues allow literally every team in 1990 01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:08,240 Speaker 4: your conference to go to the conference tournament, And the 1991 01:45:08,240 --> 01:45:10,640 Speaker 4: West Coast Conference is a really good example of this 1992 01:45:10,680 --> 01:45:13,920 Speaker 4: because they only have nine teams in the league. If 1993 01:45:13,920 --> 01:45:16,759 Speaker 4: you let eight go to Las Vegas for your conference tourney. 1994 01:45:16,760 --> 01:45:20,719 Speaker 4: That's a perfect bracket, eight teams. Instead they let nine 1995 01:45:20,760 --> 01:45:23,599 Speaker 4: go and they played one game to open the tournament 1996 01:45:23,720 --> 01:45:27,600 Speaker 4: in front of a few hundred fans, involving last place Pacific, 1997 01:45:27,640 --> 01:45:31,200 Speaker 4: which was zero to sixteen in league play, and it 1998 01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:34,479 Speaker 4: trailed with under seven minutes to go in the first half, 1999 01:45:34,640 --> 01:45:37,160 Speaker 4: thirty nine to two against Pepperdine. 2000 01:45:37,320 --> 01:45:39,879 Speaker 2: Di Seger, this is a real take from you. I'm surprised. 2001 01:45:39,960 --> 01:45:42,760 Speaker 2: I mean the whole point of March madness, because this 2002 01:45:42,880 --> 01:45:46,000 Speaker 2: is a point now with the college football playoff, we're 2003 01:45:46,040 --> 01:45:48,280 Speaker 2: going to go to fourteen with the college basketball tournament 2004 01:45:48,320 --> 01:45:51,920 Speaker 2: looking to expand. The word that everybody uses is access. 2005 01:45:52,520 --> 01:45:56,000 Speaker 2: And what I would say about college basketball three hundred 2006 01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:58,840 Speaker 2: and sixty whatever teams all have access. I think every 2007 01:45:58,880 --> 01:46:01,040 Speaker 2: team should be in the conference tournaments. And what's interesting 2008 01:46:01,360 --> 01:46:05,160 Speaker 2: with these expanded power conferences, not everybody is. I think 2009 01:46:05,200 --> 01:46:08,120 Speaker 2: it's like the Big Ten isn't gonna have all eighteen 2010 01:46:08,200 --> 01:46:10,920 Speaker 2: teams in the conference tournament next year. So this is 2011 01:46:10,960 --> 01:46:13,320 Speaker 2: what I'm gonna I'm I'm gonna have to disagree with 2012 01:46:13,360 --> 01:46:13,680 Speaker 2: you on this. 2013 01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:17,840 Speaker 4: To Seger, I I'm all for access, but what got 2014 01:46:17,840 --> 01:46:21,000 Speaker 4: the blowback? From the college football world this past week 2015 01:46:21,160 --> 01:46:24,160 Speaker 4: is that they were gonna give guaranteed access to teams 2016 01:46:24,240 --> 01:46:25,519 Speaker 4: that didn't earn it. 2017 01:46:25,920 --> 01:46:27,120 Speaker 2: And then when they were talking about that. 2018 01:46:27,120 --> 01:46:31,400 Speaker 4: But University of Pacific literally did not win a league game. 2019 01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:35,240 Speaker 4: They didn't earn their way into their own conference tournament. 2020 01:46:35,280 --> 01:46:39,519 Speaker 4: They finished oh to seventeen against conference opponents. They were 2021 01:46:39,560 --> 01:46:42,519 Speaker 4: down at the half fifty six to nine. Sure, the 2022 01:46:42,560 --> 01:46:45,640 Speaker 4: final score was Pepperdine one oh two forty three. And 2023 01:46:45,720 --> 01:46:48,120 Speaker 4: I do believe that Pepperdine lost the very next. 2024 01:46:47,960 --> 01:46:50,439 Speaker 2: Day they did. They fired their coach before the tournament too, 2025 01:46:50,479 --> 01:46:51,439 Speaker 2: which is neither here nor. 2026 01:46:51,560 --> 01:46:54,160 Speaker 4: I really love the fact that the West Coast Conference, 2027 01:46:54,320 --> 01:46:57,519 Speaker 4: like other leagues, they protect their best teams and give 2028 01:46:57,520 --> 01:47:00,519 Speaker 4: them the so called double bye. So like tonights winner 2029 01:47:00,560 --> 01:47:02,720 Speaker 4: San Francisco is going to be playing Gonzaga in a 2030 01:47:02,760 --> 01:47:05,799 Speaker 4: semi final Monday night, Zags and first place Saint Mary's 2031 01:47:06,240 --> 01:47:08,559 Speaker 4: had had the whole week off and they don't play until. 2032 01:47:08,360 --> 01:47:10,479 Speaker 2: Much Well, that's another reason why the tournament is set 2033 01:47:10,560 --> 01:47:13,200 Speaker 2: up how it is. Basically, Mark Few is basically the 2034 01:47:13,240 --> 01:47:14,960 Speaker 2: WCC commissioner. 2035 01:47:14,720 --> 01:47:17,479 Speaker 4: And Gonzaga coach. 2036 01:47:17,600 --> 01:47:19,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he basically decided like four or five years ago. 2037 01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:23,200 Speaker 2: He's like, for us to get more teams into the 2038 01:47:23,320 --> 01:47:26,280 Speaker 2: NCAA tournament, they need to be playing less of the 2039 01:47:26,280 --> 01:47:28,840 Speaker 2: bottom of the league. Yeah, and oh, by the way, 2040 01:47:28,920 --> 01:47:31,280 Speaker 2: the sooner the best teams play, the more likely it 2041 01:47:31,320 --> 01:47:33,160 Speaker 2: is that there's an upset. So that's why the two 2042 01:47:33,960 --> 01:47:36,680 Speaker 2: top two teams get a double triple whatever it is, 2043 01:47:36,720 --> 01:47:38,440 Speaker 2: by into the semi finals. 2044 01:47:38,760 --> 01:47:40,479 Speaker 4: That was all of mark few things. This is why 2045 01:47:40,520 --> 01:47:43,880 Speaker 4: PAC twelve football. This goes back A few commissioners didn't 2046 01:47:43,960 --> 01:47:47,680 Speaker 4: want to have a conference final, sure is because they 2047 01:47:47,680 --> 01:47:51,280 Speaker 4: didn't want to win. Their exact words, expose our champion 2048 01:47:51,840 --> 01:47:54,720 Speaker 4: to a loss and then not being picked for the 2049 01:47:54,800 --> 01:47:55,679 Speaker 4: national playoffs. 2050 01:47:55,680 --> 01:47:59,440 Speaker 1: Well, how you're twelve? Somebody told me about that conference. 2051 01:47:59,040 --> 01:48:05,479 Speaker 4: Once a final final pack twelve cable game tonight, Pack 2052 01:48:05,560 --> 01:48:08,040 Speaker 4: twelve hoops going by the boards. This is the final 2053 01:48:08,040 --> 01:48:09,559 Speaker 4: weekend of the regular season. 2054 01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:12,639 Speaker 2: Well, well, you remember about UCLA Arizona State, the final ever 2055 01:48:12,720 --> 01:48:13,800 Speaker 2: pack twelve games. 2056 01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:17,040 Speaker 4: That yet again Bobby Hurley is overpaid. And they scored 2057 01:48:17,080 --> 01:48:19,920 Speaker 4: sixteen points in the last twenty minutes of this game. Yikes, 2058 01:48:20,080 --> 01:48:22,479 Speaker 4: and they're fourteen and seventeen. But of course they have 2059 01:48:22,560 --> 01:48:26,360 Speaker 4: a chance to win the Pac twelve tournament in Vegas 2060 01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:27,200 Speaker 4: this coming week. 2061 01:48:27,360 --> 01:48:29,439 Speaker 2: I wonder how many schools, like, if you really ask 2062 01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:32,720 Speaker 2: the administration, they're like, let's just not pay to send 2063 01:48:32,720 --> 01:48:35,000 Speaker 2: the team, like Arizona State, if you just they don't 2064 01:48:35,000 --> 01:48:36,720 Speaker 2: have an ad right now. But I wonder if you 2065 01:48:36,800 --> 01:48:39,679 Speaker 2: just asked the ad like, let's just skip it this year, guys, 2066 01:48:39,720 --> 01:48:41,080 Speaker 2: you're not winning ith. 2067 01:48:40,880 --> 01:48:43,680 Speaker 4: UCLA is already talking like forget an it. I mean, 2068 01:48:43,840 --> 01:48:46,800 Speaker 4: we've got bigger problems than that. They haven't actually said that, 2069 01:48:46,960 --> 01:48:50,519 Speaker 4: but reading between the lines, it's not an automatic that 2070 01:48:50,600 --> 01:48:53,640 Speaker 4: if they finish you know whatever, sixteen and seventeen and 2071 01:48:53,760 --> 01:48:57,320 Speaker 4: actually get picked for you know, it's just it's been bad. 2072 01:48:57,880 --> 01:49:00,559 Speaker 4: Let's leave it at that. Meanwhile, packed twe of women's 2073 01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:04,479 Speaker 4: final tomorrow is number two Stanford against number five USC. 2074 01:49:04,720 --> 01:49:07,519 Speaker 4: The big story tonight Kansas City Chiefs gave defensive tackle 2075 01:49:07,600 --> 01:49:10,599 Speaker 4: Chris Jones a five year contract. The Cleveland Browns are 2076 01:49:10,640 --> 01:49:14,719 Speaker 4: acquiring wide receiver Jerry Judy from Denver. NASCAR's on Fox 2077 01:49:14,800 --> 01:49:18,040 Speaker 4: TV again tomorrow from Phoenix three thirty pm Eastern time. 2078 01:49:18,160 --> 01:49:21,479 Speaker 4: US women's soccer plays Brazil Sunday night in San Diego 2079 01:49:21,520 --> 01:49:23,799 Speaker 4: in the final of the New Women's Gold Cup tournament. 2080 01:49:24,200 --> 01:49:27,360 Speaker 4: As for golf live Golf Hong Kong this weekend, Abraham 2081 01:49:27,400 --> 01:49:31,040 Speaker 4: Answer leads by five strokes. You know that every winner 2082 01:49:31,080 --> 01:49:33,920 Speaker 4: of a live golf event gets four million dollars. They 2083 01:49:33,960 --> 01:49:37,920 Speaker 4: don't even play four rounds on a weekend, so yeah, 2084 01:49:37,960 --> 01:49:40,679 Speaker 4: he's got a leg up on winning that Tomorrow. Shane 2085 01:49:40,680 --> 01:49:43,240 Speaker 4: Lowry and Scotti Scheffler tied for a one stroke lead 2086 01:49:43,240 --> 01:49:47,000 Speaker 4: at the Arl Palmer Invitational in Orlando. In the NBA, 2087 01:49:47,160 --> 01:49:49,640 Speaker 4: the National TV Game went to Boston at Phoenix one 2088 01:49:49,760 --> 01:49:52,360 Speaker 4: seventeen to one oh seven despite forty five points from 2089 01:49:52,439 --> 01:49:55,040 Speaker 4: Kevin Durant. Devin Booker was out with a sprained ankle. 2090 01:49:55,439 --> 01:49:58,960 Speaker 4: Steph Curry's out with a sprained ankle. He'll be reevaluated Tuesday. 2091 01:49:59,000 --> 01:50:01,880 Speaker 4: Golden State lost it home to San Antonio, which did 2092 01:50:01,880 --> 01:50:04,719 Speaker 4: not have Victor wembin Yama due to a sprained ankle. 2093 01:50:05,240 --> 01:50:08,920 Speaker 4: Spurs won at one twenty six to one thirteen. Dallas 2094 01:50:08,920 --> 01:50:12,320 Speaker 4: got another triple double from Luka Donzich in thirty nine points. 2095 01:50:12,400 --> 01:50:15,320 Speaker 4: They wonted Detroit one forty two to one twenty four. 2096 01:50:15,760 --> 01:50:19,400 Speaker 4: Denver dominated Utah one forty two to one twenty one 2097 01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:23,720 Speaker 4: victories for the Clippers, Charlotte and Portland, which won in overtime. 2098 01:50:24,040 --> 01:50:26,479 Speaker 4: The upsets in the top ten of college hoops USC 2099 01:50:26,600 --> 01:50:30,920 Speaker 4: beat number five Arizona, Kansas State over number six Iowa State, 2100 01:50:30,960 --> 01:50:33,920 Speaker 4: and Morehead State won the first Conference Attorney final that 2101 01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:36,760 Speaker 4: was the Ohio Valley Conference Tonight. Thank to you, Thank you. 2102 01:50:36,840 --> 01:50:40,760 Speaker 2: Very much, Steve Disager. Sega will be back on tomorrow 2103 01:50:41,080 --> 01:50:44,000 Speaker 2: with Kyle Rudolph and Mark Willard as well as Chris Planket, 2104 01:50:44,080 --> 01:50:47,000 Speaker 2: Arnie Spanier, Air Torris Jason Martin taking you to the 2105 01:50:47,040 --> 01:50:50,120 Speaker 2: top of the hour. So j mart Disagre just told 2106 01:50:50,200 --> 01:50:53,719 Speaker 2: us I'd be lying if I said I had any 2107 01:50:54,040 --> 01:50:57,920 Speaker 2: super heavy takes on the Jerry Judy trade to the 2108 01:50:57,920 --> 01:51:01,680 Speaker 2: Cleveland Browns. But you are the the resident Denver Broncos fan. 2109 01:51:01,760 --> 01:51:03,360 Speaker 2: I mean, I think your take is gonna be pretty 2110 01:51:03,360 --> 01:51:05,240 Speaker 2: similar to mine. But what did you make of this 2111 01:51:05,320 --> 01:51:06,719 Speaker 2: news when it broke earlier today? 2112 01:51:07,360 --> 01:51:09,720 Speaker 1: I've kind of been watching for this to happen for 2113 01:51:09,720 --> 01:51:12,840 Speaker 1: a while. It almost happened to the trade trade deadline, 2114 01:51:13,640 --> 01:51:16,760 Speaker 1: and it almost happened with this exact same team. He's 2115 01:51:16,760 --> 01:51:18,439 Speaker 1: a guy with talent, but he's also a guy that's 2116 01:51:18,439 --> 01:51:24,720 Speaker 1: been incredibly inconsistent and unreliable. He's dealt with health situations, 2117 01:51:25,000 --> 01:51:29,599 Speaker 1: he's dealt with drop issues. I mean, he's played in 2118 01:51:29,840 --> 01:51:35,720 Speaker 1: what fifty seven games, he has three thousand yards, eleven touchdowns. 2119 01:51:36,280 --> 01:51:38,479 Speaker 1: I look at all of what he's done. Right, in 2120 01:51:38,520 --> 01:51:41,760 Speaker 1: twenty twenty as a rookie, he had three touchdowns. In 2121 01:51:41,800 --> 01:51:44,120 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one he had none, he had six, and 2122 01:51:44,200 --> 01:51:50,839 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two he had two. This past year, he's fine, 2123 01:51:51,240 --> 01:51:54,559 Speaker 1: but I don't think he's lived up to what you 2124 01:51:54,680 --> 01:51:57,120 Speaker 1: thought he might be coming out of Alabama. He's just 2125 01:51:57,160 --> 01:51:59,599 Speaker 1: kind of been part of that wide receiver room in Denver. 2126 01:51:59,680 --> 01:52:03,599 Speaker 1: That's all potential and not a whole lot that's actually 2127 01:52:03,640 --> 01:52:06,040 Speaker 1: transpired from it. They've dealt a lot of them have 2128 01:52:06,160 --> 01:52:09,000 Speaker 1: been injured, but he is one of those guys. But 2129 01:52:09,040 --> 01:52:10,960 Speaker 1: he's still really young. That's the thing. I mean, he's 2130 01:52:11,000 --> 01:52:14,559 Speaker 1: twenty four years old. So is it worth this for 2131 01:52:14,640 --> 01:52:17,800 Speaker 1: the Browns If you find somebody to put with a 2132 01:52:17,880 --> 01:52:20,400 Speaker 1: Marii Cooper, that gives you another weapon, Yeah, I think so. 2133 01:52:21,080 --> 01:52:24,400 Speaker 1: I also think that Denver knows it probably wasn't going 2134 01:52:24,520 --> 01:52:27,439 Speaker 1: to get better. And I think Sean Payton at this 2135 01:52:27,479 --> 01:52:29,879 Speaker 1: point and Sean Payton's not getting rid of a weapon 2136 01:52:29,960 --> 01:52:33,320 Speaker 1: that he feels like he can really use. I just 2137 01:52:33,360 --> 01:52:35,719 Speaker 1: don't sense that. You're just seeing kind of a change 2138 01:52:35,760 --> 01:52:37,719 Speaker 1: in the guard. You're seeing justin Simmons. They're not gonna 2139 01:52:37,720 --> 01:52:39,880 Speaker 1: pay him, They're going to let him go. The same 2140 01:52:39,920 --> 01:52:44,360 Speaker 1: thing with Jerry Judy. There's just some changes. The Broncos 2141 01:52:44,360 --> 01:52:46,800 Speaker 1: are just going to be a different organization. They're going 2142 01:52:46,880 --> 01:52:49,080 Speaker 1: to look different on the field. I think things are 2143 01:52:49,080 --> 01:52:52,000 Speaker 1: going to change massively with Russ leaving and everything else 2144 01:52:52,000 --> 01:52:54,559 Speaker 1: that's going on. This just feels like part of that 2145 01:52:54,680 --> 01:52:57,160 Speaker 1: process could be a good move for the Browns. They 2146 01:52:57,200 --> 01:52:58,760 Speaker 1: didn't have to give up that much a fourth and 2147 01:52:58,760 --> 01:53:01,160 Speaker 1: a fifth round draft pick to see what a twenty 2148 01:53:01,240 --> 01:53:06,320 Speaker 1: four year old who was a stud of Studs College 2149 01:53:06,479 --> 01:53:08,920 Speaker 1: and you know what he is capable of. The question 2150 01:53:09,080 --> 01:53:11,160 Speaker 1: is can you actually draw that out of him? More 2151 01:53:11,160 --> 01:53:13,439 Speaker 1: so than what the Broncos did. I'm not like too 2152 01:53:13,560 --> 01:53:16,559 Speaker 1: sad to see it happen as a Broncos fan, hate 2153 01:53:16,600 --> 01:53:19,519 Speaker 1: seeing anybody not. It just didn't really, it didn't click 2154 01:53:19,560 --> 01:53:21,120 Speaker 1: the way I thought it was going to. I was 2155 01:53:21,200 --> 01:53:24,760 Speaker 1: so excited when they made that draft pick, but this 2156 01:53:24,960 --> 01:53:27,880 Speaker 1: just kind of feels like the inevitable result of there's 2157 01:53:27,920 --> 01:53:32,160 Speaker 1: nothing irreplaceable about Jerry Judy to this point in his career. 2158 01:53:33,240 --> 01:53:35,880 Speaker 2: Shortly after the show, our podcast will be going up live. 2159 01:53:35,960 --> 01:53:37,800 Speaker 2: If you missed any of today's show, be sure to 2160 01:53:37,880 --> 01:53:40,400 Speaker 2: check out the podcast. Just search Fox Sports Radio wherever 2161 01:53:40,439 --> 01:53:43,200 Speaker 2: you get your podcasts, and be sure to also follow, 2162 01:53:43,320 --> 01:53:46,080 Speaker 2: rate and review the show again. 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Cannot wait to hear what Bernie has to 2176 01:54:35,560 --> 01:54:39,919 Speaker 2: say about everything going on in the world of sports. 2177 01:54:41,440 --> 01:54:46,160 Speaker 2: Jason want to wrap on what was certainly an interesting 2178 01:54:46,200 --> 01:54:48,880 Speaker 2: topic that emerged this week. You know something I know 2179 01:54:48,920 --> 01:54:50,840 Speaker 2: everybody on the network has discussed, and it's a few 2180 01:54:50,920 --> 01:54:52,880 Speaker 2: days old now, but it seems like a little bit 2181 01:54:52,880 --> 01:54:56,800 Speaker 2: of a lighter, funner topic to discuss. To close the show, 2182 01:54:58,760 --> 01:55:02,160 Speaker 2: Mike Tyson and Jake Paul are fighting at Jerry World. 2183 01:55:02,280 --> 01:55:05,760 Speaker 2: I believe sometime in July gonna be live on Netflix. 2184 01:55:07,080 --> 01:55:11,760 Speaker 2: I saw this, Jason, and my immediate reaction and I'm 2185 01:55:11,800 --> 01:55:15,160 Speaker 2: just gonna be totally transparent with the audience. My immediate 2186 01:55:15,160 --> 01:55:18,960 Speaker 2: reaction was, oh, my god, you would not catch me 2187 01:55:19,120 --> 01:55:23,440 Speaker 2: dead watching that. Then I thought about it alive, Yeah, 2188 01:55:23,480 --> 01:55:23,760 Speaker 2: what's that? 2189 01:55:24,240 --> 01:55:26,120 Speaker 1: How about catch you alive watching it? 2190 01:55:26,240 --> 01:55:28,240 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, one of the competitors is barely alive 2191 01:55:28,280 --> 01:55:30,400 Speaker 2: at this point, Mike. Mike Tyson's going in on sixty 2192 01:55:30,480 --> 01:55:32,560 Speaker 2: years old. Like, that's my point is, Like I was 2193 01:55:32,600 --> 01:55:36,440 Speaker 2: like Jake Paul, Like, I actually respect what Jake Paul 2194 01:55:36,440 --> 01:55:40,120 Speaker 2: has done. I think he's passionate about boxing. I'm not 2195 01:55:40,280 --> 01:55:43,240 Speaker 2: enough of an expert to know like what his ceiling 2196 01:55:43,360 --> 01:55:47,160 Speaker 2: is and all that. And then I was like, you know, 2197 01:55:47,200 --> 01:55:50,520 Speaker 2: Mike Tyson's like almost sixty years old, okay, And so 2198 01:55:50,600 --> 01:55:54,920 Speaker 2: I went through that whole process. But then I sat 2199 01:55:54,960 --> 01:55:59,000 Speaker 2: back and said, yeah, but I can sit here and 2200 01:55:59,080 --> 01:56:02,400 Speaker 2: pretend like, oh, that's it. I would never watch that, 2201 01:56:03,440 --> 01:56:06,440 Speaker 2: but I know I will. I mean, Franklin will probably 2202 01:56:06,480 --> 01:56:08,320 Speaker 2: be going on during this show, so I probably won't 2203 01:56:08,320 --> 01:56:10,720 Speaker 2: be able to watch closely, but I'll either go back 2204 01:56:10,760 --> 01:56:12,600 Speaker 2: and watch it the next day or what I mean. 2205 01:56:13,040 --> 01:56:16,360 Speaker 2: It's gonna be huge. Like we can pretend that we're 2206 01:56:16,360 --> 01:56:19,200 Speaker 2: not gonna care and we're not gonna watch. It's going 2207 01:56:19,240 --> 01:56:20,120 Speaker 2: to be huge, Jason. 2208 01:56:21,160 --> 01:56:23,400 Speaker 1: I mean, it's gonna be talked about a lot, and 2209 01:56:24,600 --> 01:56:28,200 Speaker 1: it's recognizable names. It's a viral star and one of 2210 01:56:28,720 --> 01:56:32,560 Speaker 1: you know, a pretty a celebrity that we talked earlier 2211 01:56:32,560 --> 01:56:35,080 Speaker 1: about people that transcend their sport. I mean, we know 2212 01:56:35,200 --> 01:56:37,839 Speaker 1: Mike Tyson for boxing, but he's become such a cultural 2213 01:56:37,880 --> 01:56:40,360 Speaker 1: figure as well with some of the things that he 2214 01:56:40,440 --> 01:56:43,000 Speaker 1: has done since and even kind of retooling his own 2215 01:56:43,040 --> 01:56:45,320 Speaker 1: image and popping up in movies and some of the 2216 01:56:45,320 --> 01:56:48,640 Speaker 1: things that he has done. I mean, he's a big 2217 01:56:48,680 --> 01:56:53,040 Speaker 1: time celebrity. So I think that here the curiosity factor 2218 01:56:53,720 --> 01:56:57,080 Speaker 1: and the nostalgia factor of Iron Mike Tyson and just 2219 01:56:57,200 --> 01:57:00,800 Speaker 1: kind of also maybe the car crash of it all. 2220 01:57:01,520 --> 01:57:03,880 Speaker 1: There's just something tabloid about it that I think is 2221 01:57:03,920 --> 01:57:07,080 Speaker 1: going to be irresistible just to check it out. Now. 2222 01:57:08,000 --> 01:57:10,560 Speaker 1: I haven't looked to see the specifics on it. If 2223 01:57:10,560 --> 01:57:13,240 Speaker 1: they're asking for money for it, that's where there's gonna 2224 01:57:13,240 --> 01:57:15,520 Speaker 1: be a problem for me. Yeah, okay, fair, I'm not 2225 01:57:15,560 --> 01:57:20,120 Speaker 1: going to pay to watch this. I will certainly look 2226 01:57:20,120 --> 01:57:23,160 Speaker 1: at a highlight or whatever if they If they make 2227 01:57:23,200 --> 01:57:24,720 Speaker 1: it available to where I can see it for free, 2228 01:57:24,720 --> 01:57:26,760 Speaker 1: i'll watch it. If not, you can tell me what happened. 2229 01:57:27,000 --> 01:57:29,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that maybe is a poor assumption on 2230 01:57:29,920 --> 01:57:31,880 Speaker 2: my part. Is I just assume that if you have 2231 01:57:31,920 --> 01:57:34,840 Speaker 2: a Netflix subscription you'll be able to watch it, And 2232 01:57:35,000 --> 01:57:37,040 Speaker 2: maybe that isn't true. 2233 01:57:38,480 --> 01:57:41,320 Speaker 1: Assuming you're right, Yeah, there'd be no reason not to 2234 01:57:41,320 --> 01:57:44,440 Speaker 1: tune in just for the spectacle of it all. 2235 01:57:44,840 --> 01:57:46,760 Speaker 2: Yes, And that's that's what I was going to say, 2236 01:57:46,920 --> 01:57:52,160 Speaker 2: is that, and I'm with you is if there's somehow, 2237 01:57:52,880 --> 01:57:56,760 Speaker 2: if there's somehow an added fee to the standard Netflix subscription, 2238 01:57:56,840 --> 01:58:00,080 Speaker 2: then yes, I am not paying to watch it, but 2239 01:58:00,120 --> 01:58:03,240 Speaker 2: I think I would tune in, And I guess yeah, 2240 01:58:03,280 --> 01:58:06,360 Speaker 2: for the spectacle of it all. I don't really know 2241 01:58:06,600 --> 01:58:09,400 Speaker 2: what I would expect. I mean I would, I don't know. 2242 01:58:09,560 --> 01:58:11,720 Speaker 2: I mean, Mike Tyson's six d Jake Paul's obviously in 2243 01:58:11,760 --> 01:58:15,240 Speaker 2: his athletic prime, but what is a former heavyweight champion 2244 01:58:15,240 --> 01:58:18,880 Speaker 2: one is not? I don't know. I could sit here 2245 01:58:18,880 --> 01:58:20,720 Speaker 2: and lie, like I said, I can sit here and 2246 01:58:20,760 --> 01:58:22,800 Speaker 2: lie and say, oh you know that's how would? I 2247 01:58:22,840 --> 01:58:26,280 Speaker 2: would never? But I probably will. I probably will, Jason. 2248 01:58:26,720 --> 01:58:30,880 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just at some point the entertainment of 2249 01:58:30,920 --> 01:58:33,200 Speaker 1: it can be enough. Now, is it gonna be a 2250 01:58:33,240 --> 01:58:36,600 Speaker 1: great fight? Probably not. I would venture to say there's 2251 01:58:36,600 --> 01:58:38,800 Speaker 1: almost no chance it would be a good fight. But 2252 01:58:39,120 --> 01:58:42,400 Speaker 1: will it have something entertaining as a part of it? 2253 01:58:42,440 --> 01:58:45,960 Speaker 1: Will it be presented in such a way that And 2254 01:58:46,040 --> 01:58:48,320 Speaker 1: it's also a good trouble in for Netflix to see, 2255 01:58:48,400 --> 01:58:51,200 Speaker 1: you know, how live sports can work and some of 2256 01:58:51,240 --> 01:58:53,320 Speaker 1: those things that we're going to continue to see more 2257 01:58:53,360 --> 01:58:57,920 Speaker 1: of that. But yeah, again, assuming that it's not going 2258 01:58:57,960 --> 01:59:01,120 Speaker 1: to cost anything extra pastor Netflix subscription, I imagine a 2259 01:59:01,160 --> 01:59:03,680 Speaker 1: lot of people will have a reason, or we'll find 2260 01:59:03,720 --> 01:59:06,240 Speaker 1: a reason to tune in just to see what it is. 2261 01:59:06,280 --> 01:59:09,520 Speaker 1: I think the curiosity alone in that case would be 2262 01:59:09,640 --> 01:59:12,720 Speaker 1: enough to bring you there just to see, just to 2263 01:59:12,720 --> 01:59:14,080 Speaker 1: see how it plays out. 2264 01:59:14,320 --> 01:59:17,160 Speaker 2: Keeping you updated on the only college basketball game is 2265 01:59:17,160 --> 01:59:20,240 Speaker 2: still going on. Shout out to the real ones. The 2266 01:59:20,520 --> 01:59:24,640 Speaker 2: WCC Quarterfinal, San Francisco up forty four to twenty two 2267 01:59:24,680 --> 01:59:28,879 Speaker 2: against Portland. Winner will play Gonzaga in the semi finals 2268 01:59:28,920 --> 01:59:31,440 Speaker 2: of this tournament. Jays tell you what, man, we got 2269 01:59:31,480 --> 01:59:33,160 Speaker 2: to get out of here. Do want to thank the 2270 01:59:33,280 --> 01:59:37,040 Speaker 2: crew Mary on the board, Shay Aser, our producer for 2271 01:59:37,120 --> 01:59:40,800 Speaker 2: Steve de Sager who has since left the building. I'm 2272 01:59:40,880 --> 01:59:43,560 Speaker 2: er Torres alongside Jason Martin. We appreciate your support. Make 2273 01:59:43,600 --> 01:59:47,080 Speaker 2: sure to download the podcast. Coming up next Bertie Frado 2274 01:59:47,200 --> 01:59:51,120 Speaker 2: of The Bertie Fredo Show. This is Fox Sports Radio.