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Speaker 1: Hey guys, we are back on normally the show with

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Speaker 1: normal wish takes, but when the news gets weird, my

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Speaker 1: co host Carol Mark Woodz is out on the vacation

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Speaker 1: and we're letting her enjoy it. So joining me again

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Speaker 1: is Matt Whitlock, my buddy, formerly of the National Republican

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Speaker 1: Senatorial Committee, worked on various campaigns and the various Senate offices,

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Speaker 1: and now runs his own consulting company. And is it

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Speaker 1: You're sorry? Should I should check the facts on that.

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Speaker 2: I work for a very smart people in a consulting company.

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Speaker 2: I don't want them to think that I'm telling people

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Speaker 2: I read the show, but very smart people.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and now is a consultant and runs his own

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Speaker 1: podcasts called The Excellent Minute Drill. Welcome Mat Whitlock to

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Speaker 1: the show. A lot going on in the news as usual.

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Speaker 1: I could play seventeen more Hunter Biden clips and arguably

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Speaker 1: that would be the thing to.

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Speaker 2: Do and people wouldn't tune out because it's an entertaining content.

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Speaker 2: Hunter gave us a lot to I mean, it was

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Speaker 2: a three hour interview and then he's done.

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Speaker 1: More so, No, it's it's going to be my new

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Speaker 1: gym soundtrack. I'm just going to put the Hunter Biden

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Speaker 1: interview on and go with the gym and be motivated.

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Speaker 2: Guy f that guy, I got run up the hill

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Speaker 2: to that.

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Speaker 1: There's one answer I heard today, and this is just

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Speaker 1: an aside. We're going to get into the real news,

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Speaker 1: but there was one answer today I heard that I

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Speaker 1: hadn't heard earlier. That was, like, to be sure, I

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Speaker 1: don't want to instruct anybody on how to make crack cocaine. Oh,

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Speaker 1: these ingredients and also when you're making crack cocaine, people

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Speaker 1: act like it's dirty, but it's actually healthier for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. He goes through the health benefits of certain

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Speaker 2: kinds of crack cocaine, and that segment on crack cocaine

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Speaker 2: is like probably five minutes. You know. The highlight was

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to tell people how to make crack cocaine,

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Speaker 2: but he talks pretty specifically about how to get into it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he's something else. As comfortably smug said, I

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Speaker 1: think the left has found its Joe Rogan.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I didn't hear say that.

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Speaker 1: That's a good smug take. That's a good one, all right,

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Speaker 1: But let's get some more slightly more serious stuff. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure Hunter will have tons to say on all the

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Speaker 1: issues of the day, and we can quote him in

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Speaker 1: the future. The US Olympic team is stating that they

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Speaker 1: are going to comply with Trump's keeping men out of

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Speaker 1: women's sports executive Order. They have changed some of their

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Speaker 1: official language. This is the US Olympic and Paralympic Committee

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Speaker 1: updating its policies with specific reference to the executive Order.

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Speaker 1: And I think this is like obviously a win for

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Speaker 1: women's sports and for sanity. This is a thing that honestly,

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Speaker 1: I wish I had been louder about at times, because

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Speaker 1: I think the tide is finally turned. It was really

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Speaker 1: hard to talk about for a long time. The female

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Speaker 1: athletes who did talk about it deserves so much credit.

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Speaker 1: I attended several rallies in the past, getting heckled all

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Speaker 1: Riley Gaines and others, And here we are seeing the

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Speaker 2: This has been a crazy, crazy sort of progression over

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Speaker 2: had done bathroom specific bills. But what happened over time,

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Speaker 2: and if you watch the polling on this year over year,

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Speaker 2: the more people saw this in action, the more people

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Speaker 2: saw female athletes get crushed by male athletes in sports,

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Speaker 2: the more it became very real. And that hit a

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Speaker 2: fever pitch the last three or four years to where

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Speaker 2: took people seeing this in action to play out. And

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Speaker 2: I've talked to so many, you know, friends who have

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Speaker 2: whatever absurd justification they had for it. This is yeah,

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Speaker 2: shift that those athletes, Riley gained, so many others started

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Speaker 2: on Tuesday, seeing these eighty twenty issues and saying, hey,

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Speaker 2: They're not aligned on a lot of things. This is

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Speaker 2: the opportunities for women to compete. You know, it's shouldn't

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think another thing that it took. In addition

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Speaker 1: takes brave people to help other people be brave. Jk

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Speaker 1: Rowling another great example. You can't cancel her, you can't

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Speaker 1: cancel Dave Chappelle. Right, So when people saw people being

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Speaker 1: on the side of the women as well. USA Fencing

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Speaker 2: When when you think about, you know, fencing, similar to swimming,

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Speaker 1: I just think, you know, you know what happens in

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Speaker 1: It's actually crazy. It is even have to have this discussion,

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Speaker 1: and that lefties are like, well, I don't know, there's

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Speaker 1: not a lot of studies. We don't need studies, guys. No,

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Speaker 1: just like you don't need studies, We didn't need studies.

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Speaker 1: And it's similar whether it was going to hurt toddlers

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Speaker 2: And volleyball was another one like this where people could

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Speaker 2: there were legitimate injuries. The San Jose State volleyball team

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Speaker 2: their lives. And that's exactly what has sort of, you know,

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Speaker 2: you know we're being inclose to we love everybody, but

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Speaker 2: also this is just unfair. And to your point about JK.

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Speaker 2: Rowling and Dave Chappelle, you needed people like that with

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Speaker 2: the permission structure where we could say this is absurd,

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Speaker 2: you know, and like Dave Chappelle did it in a

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Speaker 2: Rowling is an example of the crazy bedfellows this brought together.

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Speaker 2: Jennifer Say is another one. I believe she was a

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Speaker 2: so we have a lot a debt to these guys

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and as I say, as a former and current

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Speaker 1: it's not like it. There's a lot of glory to

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Speaker 2: No, No, the sacrifice is so real and if you're

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Speaker 2: and does make you know, competing in women's sports again

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Speaker 1: I wish everybody the best I do. It was so

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Speaker 1: valuable to me growing up that I don't want erosion

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Speaker 1: and I want women to really be able to enjoy

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Speaker 1: these moments and competing against it, dude, makes it real

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Speaker 1: hard for you to do that. I want to also

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Speaker 1: York Times reporting on the gender subject. Hospitals are limiting

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Speaker 1: gender treatment for trans miners even in blue states. Two

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Speaker 1: prominent medical centers in California recently announced they would stop treatments,

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Speaker 1: citing pressure from the Trump administration. I do think Look,

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Speaker 1: the Trump administration obviously deserves credit, and part of that

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Speaker 2: That's the thing, like the vulnerability they have of the

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Speaker 2: permanent damage they do to people with these surgeries with

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Speaker 1: emails related to this memo.

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Speaker 2: It's so egregious when you read they're looking for a

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Speaker 2: hook to use to go after these parents. And one

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Speaker 2: thing that I think you have to start out with

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Speaker 2: huge credit to our mutual friend NICKI Neely defending education.

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Speaker 2: She single handedly kept this the news and kept digging

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Speaker 2: and digging and digging and sending those foyas, which eventually

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Speaker 2: led to the National School Board Association being completely dissolved

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Speaker 2: because of this scandal. But way before that, to your point,

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Speaker 2: just for everyone's background, this began with the parents speaking out.

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Speaker 2: Miguel Cardona, former Secretary of Education, soliciting a letter from

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Speaker 2: somebody to say, which was a part of this hook,

446
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Speaker 2: how do we create the need for know FBI law

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Speaker 2: enforcement to use these counter terrorism tools against parents and

448
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Speaker 2: say they're a threat to us? Honestly, to me this

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Speaker 2: I am a little bit disappointed that there aren't people

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Speaker 2: in jail over this because they ruined lives. Some of

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Speaker 2: the parents that they pinpointed that they targeted and treated

452
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Speaker 2: like terrorists, like changed their lives forever, and so it's

453
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Speaker 2: horrific to keep hearing about. But like I am so

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Speaker 2: grateful that there were people digging into this at the

455
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Speaker 2: time to make sure that we were able to expose

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Speaker 2: and find out these forces that were trying to silence parents,

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Speaker 2: because this was a part of the parental rights movement

458
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Speaker 2: has had a in these last three or four years.

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Speaker 2: COVID was a huge part of it. Parents tuning in

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Speaker 2: to what their kids were hearing on zoom classes. Then

461
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Speaker 2: there was you know, the mask man, It's the vax man.

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Speaker 2: It's all the different things that parents had decision making

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Speaker 2: power taken away from them on. This played a huge

464
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Speaker 2: role in lighting the fire that got parents engaged, that

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Speaker 2: became a really strong political movement. Had a lot to

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Speaker 2: do with Governor Youngkin getting elected in Virginia.

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Speaker 1: The timing is important because it was October twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: one and things were sort of hitting a fever pitch.

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Speaker 1: They were playing into Governor Youngkin's pitch. Two parents in Virginia.

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Speaker 1: Louden County, Virginia, of course showing itself to be among

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Speaker 1: the most egregious in the country, and everyone here, particularly

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Speaker 1: in northern Virginia, was so contemptuous of parents during COVID.

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Speaker 1: Here's some of the language from these emails. As you

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Speaker 1: noted the hook, We're aware, so is the deputy Associate

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Speaker 1: Deputy Attorney General. We're aware of the challenge here is

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Speaker 1: finding a federal hook. But White House has been in

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Speaker 1: touch about whether we can assist in some form or fashion.

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Speaker 1: So they're trying to gin up ways to go after

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Speaker 1: these parents. And then some actual career folks are like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if we can do this, guys, it says.

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Speaker 1: It seems we are ramping up an awful lot of

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Speaker 1: federal manpower for what is currently non federal conduct. It

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Speaker 1: appears to me that the vast, vast majority of the

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Speaker 1: behavior cited cannot be reached by federal law. I only

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Speaker 1: saw three stories that involved what sounded like a possible

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Speaker 1: true threat quote, and one of those did not appear

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Speaker 1: to be related to masks, etc. Almost all of the

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Speaker 1: language being used is protected by the First Amendment. The

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Speaker 1: main issue seems to be disruption and obstruction of school

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Speaker 1: board meetings. So the idea that they were over a

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Speaker 1: weekend all getting together to brainstorm ways to arrest and

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Speaker 1: investigate parents at school board meetings, and this is what

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Speaker 1: we all said at the time. We said they're colluding

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Speaker 1: to do this, and we also said, none of these

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Speaker 1: threats are what they're talking about. They're raising speech into threats,

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Speaker 1: and that's what they were doing well.

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Speaker 2: And they wanted to make an example of people, to

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Speaker 2: send a message to parents around the country that they

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Speaker 2: needed to get in line, they needed to do what

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Speaker 2: they're told and have their children go through this. But

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Speaker 2: one of the mistakes they made through this process. Was

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Speaker 2: one of the fathers they identified as a threat to

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Speaker 2: make an example of wasn't there because of masks. He

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Speaker 2: was there because his daughter had been sexually assaulted in

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Speaker 2: a bathroom and the school board covered it up. And

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Speaker 2: while they were covering that up, the same person who

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Speaker 2: carried out that sexual assault did it a second time

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Speaker 2: at a new school. And so when people started finding

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Speaker 2: this out again loud and county, as you're talking about,

510
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Speaker 2: this was a major national story that went all the

511
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Speaker 2: way to near the top of the Biden administration, and

512
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Speaker 2: they had wanted to do it to silence people, but

513
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Speaker 2: they picked every wrong element of this. And honestly, Miguel

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Speaker 2: Cardona's entire service as Education Secretary was like error after

515
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Speaker 2: like it was a comedy of errors, but like, this

516
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Speaker 2: was so egregious. And again again, I maybe this sounds crazy.

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Speaker 2: I wish someone was in jail for this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm I'm with you on this. There was

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Speaker 1: a a special kind of psychosis during COVID, and I

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Speaker 1: think COVID gave people who are inclined to do this

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Speaker 1: kind of thing license to say, like, well, we're complaining

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Speaker 1: about masks. That's a public threat, and it's a public threat, dude.

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Speaker 1: One of the stories about Louden County, as you note

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Speaker 1: this father who was speaking out at meetings because his

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Speaker 1: daughter was actually assaulted and they had hidden it. That's

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Speaker 1: all proven. We've seen all the emails back and forth

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Speaker 1: about that. The person arrested at that meeting was the

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Speaker 1: father protesting about his daughter, I mean, and the entire

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Speaker 1: national media framed it as this guy's just a big

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Speaker 1: jerk who was threatening school board members. I mean, it's crazy,

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Speaker 1: just g regious conduct.

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Speaker 2: His daughter was assaulted, and they tried to make him

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Speaker 2: into this like lunatic guy who's like a mask conspiracy

534
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Speaker 2: theorist and his daughter been assaulted. Like when you think

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Speaker 2: about what recourse do you parents have when the government

536
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Speaker 2: just does insane things. That story made people feel more

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Speaker 2: radicalized about what government was from them. Everything that the

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Speaker 2: covid era sort of microwaved. And yeah, that was an

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Speaker 2: explosive story that was just crazy and definitely shifted the

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Speaker 2: Virginia governor's race.

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Speaker 1: I fact checked that about him being arrested every time

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Speaker 1: I mention it because it sounds so insane. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: is that true?

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Speaker 2: It sounds like a conservative fever dream type of thing,

545
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Speaker 2: but that really happened.

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Speaker 1: Okay, one last conservative fever dream before we're done, Because

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Speaker 1: this conspiracy theory is true as well, and we've had

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Speaker 1: it confirmed before by the Durham Report and other things.

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Speaker 1: But D and I Telsea Gabbart is releasing a bunch

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Speaker 1: of declassified stuff this week rolling on the Russia Gate story.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm actually still a little up in the air

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Speaker 1: on how much new information there is here, but it

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Speaker 1: does at least solidify the Durham Report conclusions and the

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Speaker 1: fact that this wasn't real. I mean, it's just Russia

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Speaker 1: Gate was not real. And the thing that I always

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Speaker 1: said at CNN when I was there and this came

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Speaker 1: to be was I feel like you are all deciding

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Speaker 1: on a conclusion yep, before we have the investigation, whether

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Speaker 1: you're a reporter or the intelligence community. And what Gabbart

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Speaker 1: has released this week about a December ninth, twenty sixteen

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Speaker 1: meeting suggests that in fact, the intelligence community and Obama's

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Speaker 1: officials and Obama himself were like at his behest, he

563
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Speaker 1: was like, we need a different conclusion than the one

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Speaker 1: you have given me, which is more benign about Russia's

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Speaker 1: involvement in this election, which basically says, I don't think

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Speaker 1: they actually wanted to help Donald Trump, but they were

567
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: definitely interfering. They weren't interfering by hacking actual machines or votes,

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Speaker 1: but there was an element here. It's just not the

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Speaker 1: thing that it became. And Obama and crew were like,

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Speaker 1: let's do a reassessment because they didn't like that assessment.

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Speaker 2: Yep. And you have to track the moving goalposts of

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Speaker 2: what Democrats have claimed from the beginning of this, because

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Speaker 2: you'll remember after President Trump was elected, even around that time, Democrats,

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Speaker 2: media talking heads, Rachel Mattow, everybody was super comfortable coming

575
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Speaker 2: right out and saying Russia got Donald Trump elected. Russia

576
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Speaker 2: did this, and they wanted people to believe that they

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Speaker 2: had manipulated votes, they had hacked into machines, they had

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Speaker 2: made this happen. When you look at what President Obama

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Speaker 2: said this week to try and push back on the

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Speaker 2: d and I report and what Tolsy Gabbard put out,

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Speaker 2: he said Russia worked to influence the twenty sixteen election,

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Speaker 2: but did not successfully manipulate any votes. That vague language

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Speaker 2: of working to influence has been so amorphoused what that

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Speaker 2: could mean to work to influence could be as simple

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Speaker 2: as like some Russian bought you know, posted I hate Hillary,

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Speaker 2: or a meme or things like that. But they want

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Speaker 2: you to believe that it's so much more than it was,

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Speaker 2: because in twenty sixteen that was politically helpful. And when

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Speaker 2: you look at the intelligence community over the years, everything

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Speaker 2: from Hunter's laptop when you had all the you know,

591
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Speaker 2: intelligence experts signed letters of this was Russian disinformation. Everything

592
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Speaker 2: they sold out their expertise, and unfortunately, with that, the

593
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Speaker 2: credibility of the industry, the credibility of that entire institution

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Speaker 2: to get you know, in twenty sixteen, try and get

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Speaker 2: Hillary elected. In twenty twenty, try to get Joe Biden elected.

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Speaker 2: And it's so crazy to think back at just how

597
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Speaker 2: quickly the holes were poked in those things where people said, okay,

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Speaker 2: I mean, like, if they're willing to make this up,

599
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Speaker 2: what else are they willing to make up? And now

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Speaker 2: the conspiracy theories are everywhere. We're finding out more and

601
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Speaker 2: more of them are real. But skepticism in the institutions

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Speaker 2: that we need to trust is sky high, and I

603
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Speaker 2: don't know how they ever get that trust back.

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Speaker 1: I know well, and that's one of the reasons that

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Speaker 1: I think it is important that a Brennan or a Clapper,

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Speaker 1: who were involved in misusing all this stuff, both on

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Speaker 1: the Hunter Biden laptop and on Russia Gate, should face

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Speaker 1: some sort of punishment. They've also lied to Congress in

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Speaker 1: the past under oath both there's no penalty for it,

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Speaker 1: which exactly important. I always noted that when I was

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Speaker 1: on CNN, and they didn't enjoy it at all that

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Speaker 1: those guys had lied under oath. But I do want

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Speaker 1: to know Eli Lake, who I trust very much on

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Speaker 1: this subject and has been an early skeptic as I

615
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Speaker 1: was on Russia Gate, although I wish I had gone

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Speaker 1: further back in the day because I didn't imagine just

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Speaker 1: how conspiratorial it was totally, he says. One area where

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Speaker 1: Gabbert does bring new information to light is the revelation

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Speaker 1: of a whistleblower inside the intelligence community who did not

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Speaker 1: believe that the intelligence supported the conclusion in the January

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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen ICA Intelligence Community assessment that the Russian government

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Speaker 1: developed a clear preference for President elect Trump. The release

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Speaker 1: from Friday includes this tantalizing quote from the whistleblower. As

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Speaker 1: for the twenty seventeen ICA's judgment of a decisive Russian

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Speaker 1: preference for then candidate Donald Trump, I could not concur

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Speaker 1: in good conscience based on information available and my professional

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Speaker 1: analytic judgment. There were a lot of people who make

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Speaker 1: this argument that Russia was interfering, but not for the

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Speaker 1: reason that became Russia Gate, and that so much nonsense

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Speaker 1: was predicated on their preference for Trump, when in fact,

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Speaker 1: if you think through at LAE, logically everyone thought Hillary

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Speaker 1: was going to win. Yep, they are. The things they

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Speaker 1: were doing were meant to handicap her to the extent

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Speaker 1: that they could, and to shape a playing field when

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Speaker 1: Hillary was present that would make her more helpful to them.

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Speaker 1: That was it, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: And I think that this highlight on the motive part

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Speaker 2: is important because it undoes everything we've been told for

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Speaker 2: those years with everyone saying they wanted Trump to win.

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Speaker 2: They wanted Trump to win. I think that matters, and

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Speaker 2: I think that's a really important part of this. And

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Speaker 2: that whistleblower who got ignored. I mean, how often are

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Speaker 2: we hearing in these stories that there was a voice

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Speaker 2: in the darkness who was trying to push them in

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00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 2: the right direction that they conveniently ignored, just like you

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Speaker 2: know in the emails we were talking about before about

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Speaker 2: law enforcement in the Bide administration saying Hey, I don't

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Speaker 2: know if these parents that were trying to pin all

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Speaker 2: this on, you know, are guilty of what we're charging them,

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Speaker 2: and yet it disappears. The problem is if you use

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