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Speaker 1: Kurt, I'm going to introduce a story to start the episode.

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Speaker 1: What do you think about that?

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Speaker 2: I love it?

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Speaker 1: I love it?

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Speaker 2: Okay, changing it all around.

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Speaker 1: Man attacks wasps nest with flamethrower, is badly stung and

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Speaker 1: sets fire to the tree.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that's bananas.

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Speaker 3: De world understands. Would you mind your resilient pieces?

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Speaker 4: Would you.

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Speaker 3: BAA?

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to Bananas. I am one of

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Speaker 2: your hosts, Kurt Brown Older.

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Speaker 1: And I'm the second Banana Scottie Landish. I'm glad to

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Speaker 1: see Kurt again. He's been away for a little bit

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Speaker 1: and this is the only time I ever get to

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Speaker 1: meet new people and catch up with my good buddy.

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Speaker 1: So welcome back to the Bananas program.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. We took all of August off from recordings, so

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Speaker 2: which means we had a very busy July and then

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Speaker 2: a not busy August, which was very nice. But we're

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Speaker 2: back swing at things and it's exciting to be here

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Speaker 2: and I'm very excited to bring on our guest today.

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Speaker 2: Our guest today is an ornithologist, birder science communicator, and

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Speaker 2: co creator of black Birders Week. You may know her

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Speaker 2: as hood Naturalist on Twitter. Please welcome, Karina Newsome.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's such a pleasure to be here. Thank you

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Speaker 3: for having me. I love you guys.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, we're so excited to have you on to

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Speaker 2: talk about some dumb stuff. We love having very very

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Speaker 2: smart people on to talk about really stupid things.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we like for your side, the intelligentsia, to see

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Speaker 1: what's going on down here with the garbage pail kids. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it feels right.

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Speaker 2: Just so you know, I have been I'm so excited

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Speaker 2: that you're a birder and an ornithologist because I have been.

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Speaker 2: I've been writing comedy for many years and I have

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Speaker 2: so much bird material. I've been writing so many jokes

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Speaker 2: name birds because birds have such fucking weird names like

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Speaker 2: booby and tit mouse and peacock, Like peacock is crazy.

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Speaker 2: Nobody talks about it. But I was just googling. I'm

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Speaker 2: so excited to share this with you, guys. So I

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Speaker 2: and literally it has you know how Google like has pictures.

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Speaker 2: They have like all the pictures, Like if you google

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Speaker 2: across the They will chooses for you. So for bird names,

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Speaker 2: it's just a bunch of birds, all of their pictures

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Speaker 2: and so it just goes Cockatoo's Kiwi American, Robin old

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Speaker 2: world Sparrow to can Sam Lark Come black? That's a

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Speaker 2: picture of kids Sam from the Fruit Loops Box.

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Speaker 3: I earned that, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: He's a famous bird. That is one famous bird.

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Speaker 2: It's maybe the most famous bird. Yeah, so I just

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Speaker 3: That's rich. I'll have to look that up.

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Speaker 2: Oh hell yeah, So welcome to the show. Tell us.

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Speaker 2: So you created something called black Birders Week. Can you

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Speaker 2: tell us about that?

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Speaker 4: About probably thirty organizers who co organized Blackbirders a Week

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Speaker 4: and then one day Christian Cooper, who is a burner

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Speaker 2: Park with a white We remember, Yeah, oh what a

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Speaker 1: Amazing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: You want me to get back into this dumb story? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Man attack man attacks wasps nest with flamethrower, is badly

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Speaker 1: stung and sets fire to tree. This was written by

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Speaker 1: our best buddies, Sophie Grubb and and you know if

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Speaker 1: you're gonna do a bug story. You gotta put Sophie

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Speaker 1: Grubb on this one. You gotta, you gotta have Sophie

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Speaker 1: Grub covering all your bizarre insect news.

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Speaker 2: Of course, Sophie. She's just at her desk and then

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Speaker 2: the editor comes up. I got another one for you, Sophie.

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Speaker 1: It's just like, it's.

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Speaker 2: Another fucking bug story, John, another fucking bug story.

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Speaker 1: He's like, it's got a flame thrower. Yeah, Summerset Live

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Speaker 2: So I love trying to use fire to solve a

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Speaker 2: So it's always a good time. It's always a good

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Speaker 4: I won't just say cautious, but I have I understand

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Speaker 4: Came out stung this shit out of me, right, like

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Speaker 1: Come over, we wear a mask. I just got COVID

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Speaker 1: Ready for another one story?

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Speaker 2: Bust of Rhymes Island is real?

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Speaker 2: This is sent in by Molly and McDonagh Hugh or McDonough.

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Speaker 2: She's at. She has a very funny Instagram handle. It's at.

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Speaker 1: She got it first.

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Speaker 2: Good for you two ms three h's three ms. So

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Speaker 2: this is from the Boston Globe. This is an old

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Speaker 2: A man named Kevin O'Brien has named this island in

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Speaker 2: James Reid. Of course, thank you, Jimmy favorite it is

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Speaker 2: quote from Kevin is a quote from Kevin. It is

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Speaker 2: a very small island with rope swinging blueberries and stuff.

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Speaker 2: Buster would enjoy. Process of the forty by forty foot

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Speaker 2: been trying to name it officially Buster Rhymes Island. The

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Speaker 2: So what he's trying to do, he's already changed on

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Speaker 2: set up a rope sling. He's the one who planted

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Speaker 3: Way, But there's no comment from bus Rides.

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Speaker 4: Right where does it stop? Like, I want to know

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Speaker 3: For twenty years, that's it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to have a flag, you have to

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Speaker 3: Unsettling, but very cool.

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Speaker 1: didn't know that. The first time I pulled in, the

439
00:21:58,320 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 1: woman like looks in and sees me with one glass

440
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:04,639
Speaker 1: and like stepped stepped back as broken Spanish. I'm like,

441
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:10,400
Speaker 1: filler up, no you gas. Yeah, so they were yeah,

442
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,399
Speaker 1: They're basically like, pump your old glass, winky, And I

443
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,360
Speaker 1: was like, you got it, winky.

444
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 2: There it is all right, We're gonna take a quick break.

445
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 2: But before we do, Scottie, yes, sir, give us a

446
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:22,640
Speaker 2: title to send us out.

447
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:28,200
Speaker 1: Naked man arrested after repeatedly going through Taco Bell drive through.

448
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Speaker 2: And we are back. Our guest today is Orent Thogist

449
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,479
Speaker 2: and birder Karina new some Karina uh since and then

450
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 2: you know, since we're all stuck in our house, uh

451
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 2: with nowhere to go. How does one start birding? Is

452
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 2: it simply by looking at a bird or is there

453
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 2: like a cool way to start birding.

454
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 4: That's a great question, and the word birding makes it

455
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 4: sounds like there's more involved, and there's really not.

456
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,440
Speaker 3: So to start birding.

457
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 4: You just go outside whatever bird is closest to you, loudest,

458
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 4: whenever you notice.

459
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 3: First look at it.

460
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 4: And there are lots of different ways you're going to

461
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 4: identify birds. I think identifying birds is one of the

462
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 4: more like monumentous challenges that people are like, you know,

463
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 4: I don't know how to do that.

464
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 3: You don't need to have a physical field guide.

465
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 4: If you have a phone, you can download the an

466
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 4: app called Merlin and the r L I N which

467
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:50,680
Speaker 4: is a bird identification app.

468
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you I think on that app you can

469
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,239
Speaker 3: even take pictures of what you're seeing and it can

470
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 3: help you identify. But that is a really quick way

471
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 3: to know, Okay, what species am I looking at?

472
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 4: And then I would encourage you to do is to

473
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 4: then dig into that species, figure out what it eats,

474
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 4: where it's typically found, is it migratory so it is

475
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 4: here right now and it's going to be gone later,

476
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 4: learn a little bit about what's called its life history,

477
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 4: and that way, as you're you know, moving through your life,

478
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 4: if you go outside it all right now very much,

479
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 4: you'll kind of be able to pick up on that

480
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 4: bird and identify it a lot more easily.

481
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 3: Because you know, who it is. You know, I think

482
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 3: you just add species to that.

483
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 4: To that list of yours, and then before you know it,

484
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,679
Speaker 4: you're accumulating what we call your life list.

485
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 3: Of birds, the number of birds you've seen over the

486
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Speaker 3: course of your life.

487
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 1: Oh, it's like a list.

488
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's like the.

489
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 3: Opposite of a bucket list. It's what you've already seen.

490
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,719
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, m hm.

491
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Speaker 2: I love it in the fact that it just gives you,

492
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 2: like it's like all these little easter eggs in an

493
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 2: ordinarily like kind of boring environment, all of a sudden

494
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 2: you kind of have all these things to explore. And

495
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 2: I didn't even I never cared about birds, other than

496
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 2: thinking they're very funny, Like I just think the pigeon

497
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 2: is inherently.

498
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Speaker 4: Uh.

499
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 2: But I started getting into it when when my daughter

500
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 2: I we live right near the La River in Los Angeles,

501
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 2: which is like, you know, it's a concrete canyon, but

502
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 2: then in the middle there's greenery, and the amount of

503
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 2: birds down there is fucking crazy. So I would always

504
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 2: walk with my daughter, and who's three, and so she

505
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 2: would always be asking about this bird and that bird,

506
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 2: and so I got as siblings and we go down

507
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,120
Speaker 2: we look at them. We like talk about it and everything.

508
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 2: We got great blue herons, we have uh just great

509
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 2: great cranes, white cranes, like they're really egrets. I guess yeah, yeah,

510
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 2: it is crazy seeing them there. They look like fucking dinosaurs.

511
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,439
Speaker 2: Those as heavy and listen, if you get.

512
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 3: The chance to google baby heron or egret, they are

513
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 3: very much dinas.

514
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 4: Like you, you would think that that was dinosaur first,

515
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 4: and of course technically they are. But like when they're babies,

516
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 4: those herons and egrets, Oh.

517
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Speaker 2: My gosh, not wow, yeah nice, I'm wanna check it out.

518
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: It's got here we go. Naked Taco Bell drive through.

519
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: This is from Monique Glindo Monique Glindos dmd us on Instagram.

520
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: Thank you, Monique. A sixty one year old. I mean already,

521
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: nobody wants to see a sixty one year old naked,

522
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: especially not man just looks like a sacowet laundry with

523
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: an acorn. A sixty one year old Oklahoma City man

524
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 1: was really craving some late night taco bell. Christopher Sale

525
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: was recently arrested after going through the Taco Bell drive through.

526
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: The thing was he was completely naked while doing so.

527
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: This gets interesting. Sale initially ordered his food from the

528
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 1: Taco bell on South Meridian and was all set to

529
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 1: pay for his meal when he asked the employee for

530
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 1: an additional taco. He got his taco, but then he

531
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 1: stayed in line and asked for more sauce. He then

532
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: asked for more napkins, and then still did not leave

533
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: the drive through. He would eventually leave the premises almost

534
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 1: immediately returned to ask for more sauce.

535
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 3: This is.

536
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 1: This is when employees finally grew uncomfortable enough to alert

537
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: the authorities. When police detained Sale, he told them he

538
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: was hungry and that all his clothes were in the washer.

539
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: I know. He also stated that quote he didn't know

540
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: it was against the law to drive naked. End quote.

541
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: There we go.

542
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 2: This is and also like he wanted to be he

543
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 2: wanted this to have. Of course he got away with it,

544
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 2: like four times, he could have just been happy. He

545
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 2: needed that thing, He needed that extra attention. Also, I

546
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 2: like that the taco about people are like four times

547
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 2: is fine, Yeah, we don't give a shit. Yeah, the

548
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 2: fifth times you're annoying us, and now we're gonna call

549
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 2: the cop.

550
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 1: They're like extra nappians. Yeah, put them on your lap.

551
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 3: Man right, listens run out.

552
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 4: I feel like Taco Bell deals with the worst kind

553
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 4: of mess. So I think that's where the four times

554
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 4: comes in. Because every like I've just heard of random

555
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 4: ranging from crazy to like just you know, horribly offensive

556
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 4: like situations that happened, and it's always a Taco Bell.

557
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 3: So I think their threshold is pretty.

558
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 4: High for what they will tolerate, you know, So this

559
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 4: is this is unfortunate that he tried them a fifth time.

560
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,719
Speaker 1: I'm sure nudists, Uh, there's probably newdiest birding. There's got

561
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: to be newdist birding. It's probably very popular.

562
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 2: There's gotta be. There's that crossover seems to be because

563
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 2: a lot of older people like to get into birding

564
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 2: and a lot of older people like to get into naturalism.

565
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: Is what they like to call it.

566
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 2: Right, I bet you there's a ton The slogan could

567
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 2: be nutting nutting, nothing but monoc.

568
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 3: I second, my wheels are spinning now, yeah, write it down.

569
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: Kurt went to a newdist camp one, so I first

570
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: did go.

571
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I went to a new I used to have

572
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 2: this podcast called Wedlock. It was me and my wife

573
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 2: talking about marriage, and we went to a new judist

574
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 2: resort and walked around naked for a day, and honestly,

575
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 2: it was so free and great. We both totally neither

576
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 2: of us have ever been like we want to go

577
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 2: to a newdist resort. We both imagine going back at

578
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 2: some point. Because the reason people said they liked it

579
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 2: was because when you meet someone, you have no idea

580
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: of like what they do for a living, you know

581
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like you don't know like this guy's

582
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 2: a doctor, this guy's a plumber, like whatever, it's just

583
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 2: your naked and it's like an equalizer of sorts, which

584
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 2: was very interesting. But yeah, it was. It was pretty

585
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,959
Speaker 2: fun to walk around naked. It was also thirty eight

586
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 2: degrees then whoa Arizona? So no one else was.

587
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 3: Thirty eight degrees?

588
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 2: Yeah?

589
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 3: Wow.

590
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 2: The pools were very warm and everything like that, but

591
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 2: it was no one else was naked. Everyone else had

592
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: clothes on who were nudists. But they're like, no, it's

593
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,719
Speaker 2: too cold for today, We're going to keep it freezing.

594
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 3: But like, you didn't feel weird being the only naked people, no.

595
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 2: Because it was like we knew that they all did it,

596
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? Okay, Okay, yeah, but

597
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 2: it's not a real popular place in January in Arizona.

598
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 2: It's more of a summertime event.

599
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: I used to work this one summer. I worked in

600
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: Pensacole Beach at this restaurant and there was a chef there,

601
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: a cook, really a cook that worked there who I

602
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: would open up in the mornings. I was a server

603
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,239
Speaker 1: or a bartender, and I would set everything up, get

604
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: all the tables ready, all that kind of thing. And

605
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: one day the cops come and the managers go over

606
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: and they're like, yeah, can we help you? And they're like, yeah,

607
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: can we speak? And so we had the nickname for

608
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,719
Speaker 1: this cook, and which is probably good, but we used

609
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: to call him Beetlejuice because he looked like the movie

610
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: Beetlejuice Beetlejuice. So they were like, can we speak to him?

611
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: And so this guy comes out, he's talking to him.

612
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: I'm like literally cleaning sugar caddies and Marion ketchups and stuff,

613
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: and he kind of is like what I can, like

614
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: hear his side of it, not the cops side. He's

615
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: like what, no, oh my god, just disgusting all stuff.

616
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: He goes back in the kitchen and later on, like

617
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: we start serving and stuff, and the word comes around

618
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: that it's like somebody that worked at the toll booth

619
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: when you come into Pensacola. Beach said that he had

620
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: driven through naked and that it had happened before, and

621
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: that they got the license plate. And so this beatlejuice

622
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: denies this, and so all of us suddenly, you know

623
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: when like you hear that rumor and you want to

624
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: be open minded about stuff, but you suddenly there's just

625
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: like you're like, he's not getting invited to poker night

626
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: type of thing. So about two weeks goes by and

627
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: he started bringing it up, like can you believe this shit?

628
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: Like can you believe? I mean, I like no, And

629
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: we're like, all right, you're making yourself sound way more guilty.

630
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: So like two weeks go by and I'm coming into

631
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: work and there's like so many cops there and I'm like, whoa,

632
00:31:53,280 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: this is crazy. It's like nine am, and so I

633
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: guess what happened is Beadle had gotten asked to open

634
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: and prep all the food. It was a two story

635
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: restaurant on the Pensacola Boardwalk, right near the Clamshell for

636
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: anybody listening, and a family was taking photos on the

637
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: boardwalk and they looked up and saw a man doing

638
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: naked jumping jacks in the upstairs dining room and called

639
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: the police and it was him and he got arrested.

640
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: But he was fully nude. I like to think he

641
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: was wearing a chef's hat. I don't know this for sure,

642
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: and doing jumping jacks in a glass played window nothing's

643
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: open yet. And this whole family that's just like, hey,

644
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: there's a setting sun, Grandpa, and he's like, yes, there is.

645
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: And then they rested him. But I never saw him again.

646
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: But everybody was like, well he was an exhibitionist. Maybe worse.

647
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 3: Jumping well, naked jumping jump.

648
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 2: Yes, I know that's a lot of flapping, too much flapping.

649
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: It wasn't good for drumming up business, I'll tell you

650
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: that much. Get one of those fan guys that we

651
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: like so much. Just get a big fan guy. We

652
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: don't need that beetle, we don't need that, all right,

653
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: hit a skirt.

654
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Speaker 2: You want another one?

655
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, baby.

656
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 2: So this is there's so many different articles about this guy.

657
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 2: This guy's the moleman of Hackney, okay, And so this

658
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 2: is about a house at one twenty one Mortimer Road

659
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 2: and Hackney, East London. That this man he was kicked

660
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 2: out of the house in two thousand and twelve. It

661
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 2: looks like he inherited the house in the nineteen sixties.

662
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 2: His name is William Little, who is known as the moleman. Sure,

663
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 2: and he had hundreds of tunnels that he had dug

664
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 2: from just underneath his house walk out to around the neighbor.

665
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 2: And he's never really given any reason for why he

666
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 2: used to do it. And when asked like how it started,

667
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 2: he said, I first tried to dig a wine cellar,

668
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 2: and then the cellar doubled and so on. But the

669
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 2: idea that I dug tunnel under other people's house is rubbish.

670
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 2: I just have a big basement. It's gone deep enough

671
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,919
Speaker 2: to hit the water table. That's the lowest you could go. Whoa,

672
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 2: I mean like he has it like they he's met

673
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 2: up with underground with like rail lines and stuff like that.

674
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 2: Who And people just tried to figure out, like why

675
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 2: did he do it? He's just crazy man. But eventually

676
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 2: they had to take like they had to buy the

677
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 2: state had to buy the house from him and then

678
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:47,439
Speaker 2: fill it in like thousands of tons of concrete whoa

679
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 2: to fill in all of the tunnels that he had

680
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 2: done from nineteen sixty to twenty twelve. And then he

681
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 2: when asked like, oh, you know, like what's going on?

682
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 2: Why are you doing this? He said, quote and this

683
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 2: is These are quotes from The Guardian. This was sent

684
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,720
Speaker 2: in by Carolyn b Thank you, sure, thank you, Carolyn

685
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 2: buh And this was written by there is no credit, Oh,

686
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 2: Paul Lewis. Thanks quote. I don't mind the title of inventor,

687
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 2: he said, inventing things that don't work is a brilliant thing.

688
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 3: You know.

689
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 2: People are always asking you what the big secret is,

690
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 2: and you know what, there isn't one.

691
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: Hey, William Little, you didn't invent holes, bud holes have

692
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:29,760
Speaker 1: been around for a long time.

693
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 3: That I wouldn't mind.

694
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: You didn't invent holes.

695
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 2: That is the most I've laughed on this podcast ever.

696
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: You didn't invent holes, pal, But he is.

697
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,720
Speaker 2: He's trying to invent like he's inventing those specific turns,

698
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 2: I guess.

699
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 3: And that was it, no other, no further explanation, just

700
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 3: and someone and no you can And then.

701
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 2: It was taken So the state took it over and

702
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,280
Speaker 2: they filled in all the holes, and then along comes

703
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 2: this artist by the name of Sue Webster, Susan Webster,

704
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 2: who bought it in two thousand something, and then she

705
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 2: had and this is this woman. I've actually seen her work.

706
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 2: I was like reading this article and then I'd seen

707
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 2: her work. She does this really cool thing called shadow

708
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 2: shadow sculptures, and it's out of garbage. So I don't

709
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 2: know if you guys have ever seen these, but literally,

710
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 2: you walk into a room and you just see a

711
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 2: fucking pile of trash. It's a pile of fucking trash.

712
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 2: But then you look at the shadow on the wall

713
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 2: and it is like perfectly done figures of human beings,

714
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 2: like in different crouching positions, and the detail in the

715
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 2: shadow is like infinitesimably perfect, so it looks exactly like

716
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 2: it's like a man and a woman sitting on a

717
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 2: chair with their backs to each other. But then when

718
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 2: you look at the thing, it's just a bunch of

719
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 2: fucking uh, you know, thrown away wrappers and cigarette butts

720
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 2: and pepsi cans and stuff. So anyway, this woman's a

721
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 2: multi multi, multi millionaire, so she bought the house and

722
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 2: now has re excavator all of the different tunnels and

723
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 2: made them into fucking crazy rooms in this crazy house

724
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 2: she now owns. It's very fat foot.

725
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a cool one. Underground birds like Karina do

726
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: they exist? Do they exist? And birds dig holes? Or

727
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: did William B. Little invent burrowing out?

728
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 2: Are there any burrowing burrowing birds? Burrowing owl, a burrowing owl.

729
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 4: They live underground. They come up stere at you like

730
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 4: you did something wrong. Fine, food go back in their tunnels.

731
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 3: So yeah, they have.

732
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 4: It's funny because so they'll live in you know, sometimes

733
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 4: like family groups of I don't know, like six birds,

734
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,720
Speaker 4: and they'll they'll use the tunnels that other almost have built,

735
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 4: you know, oftentimes as well. And so they'll they'll be

736
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 4: underground and they'll emerge and they'll look on their face.

737
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 3: Is just one of utter disappointments. I love burrowing outs

738
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 3: look up as well. But yeah, birds go underground.

739
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 2: So they'll actually they'll actually dig holes with their talents.

740
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think they most.

741
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 4: Often will utilize holes that kind of already exist in

742
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 4: some way, but they will yeah, digging.

743
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 3: Themselves as well.

744
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: Wow, that's pretty cool.

745
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,280
Speaker 2: Owls are so crazy because we always thought of owls

746
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 2: as like these. The cartoon version is this like wise

747
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:37,760
Speaker 2: old thing, and they're like fearsome, fearsome hunters. They're fucking intense, even.

748
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 3: The little bitty ones too.

749
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

750
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that everybody just thinks is like the cutest

751
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 2: thing in the world.

752
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's cool, that's amazing. This might be a

753
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: ground bird. I think I have a ground bird story.

754
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 2: All right, give it to you.

755
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you, guys guess I'm gonna do a

756
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: little fill in the blank here and then and then

757
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: really shock you so hard your core. This one is

758
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: from High Country News. It was written by Jackie Flynn Mogensen.

759
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:14,919
Speaker 1: Here's the headline, sage grouse face a new threat question mark, So, Kurt,

760
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: what do you think is threatening the sage grouse these days?

761
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: In Wyoming shoes great Karina, Any guests, do you know

762
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: this one?

763
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 3: Hordes of larger of small frogs.

764
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: Somehow those two combined to the correct answer, Kanye West

765
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: So so the famous artist Wyoming Ranch highlights a conservation

766
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:47,240
Speaker 1: battle surrounding the importance of this indicator species. The greater

767
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: sage grouse has a very hard life. Aside from facing

768
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: predators like fox's bobcats, coyotes, and ground dwelling Western The

769
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: ground dwelling western bird is also threatened by oil and

770
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 1: gas development, miners, ranchershunters, climate change. I mean, this bird

771
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: has a tough life invasive grasses. And now Kanye West, this,

772
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 1: what's he doing this spring? The rapper and presidential hopeful,

773
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: who purchased a sprawling ranch in Cody, Wyoming in twenty nineteen,

774
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: got the go ahead to expand development on his property,

775
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: which happens to be situated in a key sage grouse habitat.

776
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: According to permit shared to Mother Jones by officials from

777
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: Park County, Wyoming and reported by TMZ, West plans to

778
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 1: add to his ranch several news structures. And when you

779
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 1: think Wyoming, just if you're not picturing these structures, there's

780
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: something wrong with you. A two bedroom lake house, two

781
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: underground ten thousand square foot parking garages, a ten bedroom

782
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: fifty two thousand square foot residents, which coincidentally would be

783
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: about the size of the White House. Fifty two thousand shit.

784
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: And this is where Kanye is reportedly registered to vote.

785
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: By the way, he originally hoped to construct an underground

786
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: meditation structure on the property, though it's unclear if the

787
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: facility of that sort will be incorporated into these new plans.

788
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: He did have his address listen and on his last

789
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: permats blue Blah Blah did not comment on the story.

790
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: But it turns out that where the proposed construction is

791
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: thank you for this, Kanye of West Ranch falls in

792
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 1: the quote core unquote sage grouse habitat an area designated

793
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: by the state as important for the bird's survival. Weird.

794
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: So it gets a lot more law and governmentee after this.

795
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: But basically, this is not just about a quaint bird.

796
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: This is about the very survival of an ecosystem and

797
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: the non desert desertification of western North America in the

798
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 1: high desert. So there's our God.

799
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 2: I don't understand why it was private property, do you

800
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like if it was, this has

801
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 2: been determedan to be critical to the species endangerment like

802
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 2: why or non endangerment like why why was it being

803
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 2: sold in the first place.

804
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 1: It was protected by twenty fifteen obombed administration by partisan

805
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: agreement with cooperation between eleven Western states and federal government.

806
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 1: But when u but then it was not honored under

807
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: the current administration who so without getting po political, it

808
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: was protected and now it's not. So Kanye can have

809
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: a fifty two thousand square foot and two ten thousand

810
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: square foot park underground parking grosses.

811
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 2: Two ten thousand square foot parking lots. That's huge, too

812
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,280
Speaker 2: many thousand square feet?

813
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 3: Like how many people are coming to your residence at

814
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 3: the same time?

815
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 2: And yeah, I bet you one's like just for roller

816
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 2: skating or something. Do you know what I mean? Like

817
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 2: something's fucking crazy.

818
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 1: Nor North is going to be a big rollerblader. You

819
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 1: can feel that common anyway, I'm sure this is something

820
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: you have to come up against in any any of

821
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: the animal sciences, it's constantly about conservation these days.

822
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 4: It is. And you know what, like most lands that

823
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 4: are really critical habitat where a lot of like threatened

824
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 4: or listed species of conservation concerned, are privately owned, Like

825
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 4: it's usually privately owned, but people who operate, right, people

826
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,760
Speaker 4: who operate, there's like a general consensus on this is important,

827
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 4: So let's keep it this way, you know. And as

828
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,240
Speaker 4: you said, like that's been compromised, and the sage grouse

829
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 4: doesn't need this, like we need the sage grouse. They're

830
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 4: just even an entertaining bird to have around. Yeah, they

831
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 4: have these things called lex where the males will gather

832
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 4: up and they're like blow, like expose these bare yellow

833
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 4: patches on their chest and like shimmy around for the females.

834
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: It's just like we need that.

835
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 4: We don't need a ten thousand square book meditations. We

836
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 4: need lecking sage grouse.

837
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: Yeah.

838
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 2: It's called leking l e k l ekk i n

839
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 2: g Yeah. All right, Yeah, are you guys ready for

840
00:43:58,880 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 2: the next one?

841
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: I think you bring it on home, buddy. I think

842
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: it's you.

843
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 2: I think this is this is a long one, so

844
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 2: I'm happy we have a little bit of time to

845
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:11,240
Speaker 2: get Let's wrap it up tight. This is fucking crazy.

846
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 2: I don't even know. There's not even a all right,

847
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: so I am going to be quoting from a Twitter

848
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 2: threat actually, which is all. It's all referenced with links

849
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 2: if you want to go look at it. Twitter user

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00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 2: at ocean yea so o c e A n y

851
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Speaker 2: i A.

852
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: She's doing some.

853
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 2: Translating from I guess Portuguese, okay, Brazilian newspaper. So here's

854
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 2: the here's the the kind of the big things, marrying

855
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 2: your adopted son, ordering his murder, becoming the center of

856
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 2: an embezzment scheme by posing as a church leader holding

857
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 2: blood rituals all behind the facade of goodwill. This is

858
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 2: the floor de case, one of the most instane stories

859
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 2: coming out from Brazil. Brazil. Okay, so here we go

860
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 2: the basics. Floridallus do Santos Desusa is a federal deputy

861
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 2: from the state of Rio de Janeira. She was previously

862
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 2: known for her work as a church leader and for

863
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 2: having fifty five children. Fifty five the more vast majority

864
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 2: of them are adopted. Okay obviously question one answer, Okay, Yeah.

865
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 2: She's also a gospel singer. She has multiple albums available

866
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 2: on line. To check them out. There are links to

867
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 2: her albums on this Twitter threat if you go and

868
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 2: check it out. So in nineteen ninety three, she met

869
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 2: Anderson Docarmo, who she eventually adopted. Anderson then began a

870
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 2: relationship with Floridallas's biological daughter, Simon. They eventually broke up,

871
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 2: and Florida Ellis married Anderson, making Anderson his own stepfather.

872
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 2: Question mark yes, which yes, it does make him his

873
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 2: own step father. Great Floridallas made the headlines last year

874
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 2: after Anderson was murdered. Police soon caught up that something

875
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 2: was a miss and that the case was not simply

876
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 2: a robbery attempt gone wrong as the family initially described.

877
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 2: Now things start getting trippy. Lucas and Flavio, both sons

878
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:33,240
Speaker 2: of Floridallas, were initially arrested for the murder. Lucas purchased

879
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 2: the gun, while Flavio was the one who shot Anderson

880
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 2: over thirty times. Lavio, no, the man arrived home. So

881
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 2: let's just be clear. Let's just be clear. She married

882
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 2: her son, yes, who became her stepfather.

883
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 4: Yes.

884
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 2: And then she had two other sons kill their stepfather,

885
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 2: who was also their brother and.

886
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 1: The husband of her daughter. So her daughter's brother's husband

887
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 1: is now her dad stepped in, Yes, exactly, Okay.

888
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 2: So yeah, and apparently, and the reason was is because

889
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 2: Floridallas has like was had like control over the family

890
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 2: finances and their political career. I mean, like Floridallas texted

891
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 2: her sons like, what can I do? I can't get

892
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 2: a divorce that would scandalize the name of God.

893
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: Okay.

894
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 2: And then there were this is crazy. There were six

895
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 2: attempts at poisoning Anderson by sneaking arsenic into his meals,

896
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 2: and then there's a screen shot of one of Floridallas's

897
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 2: daughter's phones and her search history is poison. That's legal

898
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 2: poison that kills assassin. Where too fine? I mean, this

899
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 2: is so crazy, And you know, they say the so

900
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 2: called family was very, very bizarre. The first general of

901
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 2: a tees, which are eight people, had better food and

902
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 2: accommodations in the house for the remaining The relationship with

903
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 2: Floridallas was far from motherly. Most say they felt used. Yeah,

904
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 2: no shit. A man who lived in the house in

905
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 2: the late nineties described being forced to write Bible verses

906
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 2: with his own blood and being kept in isolation for

907
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 2: weeks as part of his initiation to what he called

908
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 2: a cult.

909
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

910
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 4: You E forgot about that detail from from the beginning

911
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 4: of the story. So now I'm just like reliving that shock.

912
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, gosh, fifty five people and it just keeps

913
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 2: going on. It's so insane. Uh Like. Yeah, So, her

914
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 2: per biological daughter Simone used to serve as her own

915
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 2: personal spy in the house.

916
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:45,720
Speaker 1: Not Simon, Yes, smoke. Can you believe it with the ears?

917
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 2: Yeah?

918
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

919
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. So here here's an addendum that she writes because

920
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 2: she's getting this question a lot floridellis, and I apologize

921
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 2: to any of our Brazilian listeners if I'm butchering all

922
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 2: of these names. I apologized. Floridalls is sixteen years older

923
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 2: than Anderson, so according to this piece, they started dating

924
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 2: when he was fourteen and she was thirty and then

925
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:09,240
Speaker 2: they got married.

926
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: Probably a problem there. Well, So with the.

927
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 2: Question, is Floridallas arrested, Nope, She's a federal deputy, which

928
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 2: means under Brazilian law, this is from August twenty fifth,

929
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 2: she might be arrested now, which means under Brazilian law

930
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 2: that she has a whole lot of privilege when it

931
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 2: comes to trials. Justice is slow, even when it comes

932
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 2: slower when it comes to powerful people. And then there's

933
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 2: a link to her gospel wreck. Oh, I bet they're right,

934
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 2: and she's very powerful, Like they have pictures of her

935
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 2: with the Prime Minister. They're the Justice Minister prize, like

936
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 2: it's it's really really crazy.

937
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, that's a that's a. I mean, we just

938
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: crossed over into my favorite murder territory with that one.

939
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: We had a murder we are calt We got some

940
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: real mix them ups. Whoa fifty five kids mostly adopted.

941
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: One marries your biological daughter, then they get divorced, then

942
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: you marry them at fourteen, So how early were the

943
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: other two married? And then they have them killed by

944
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: two of your sons. Flavio is the trigger man Okay? Cool?

945
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I just love the poisons that kill assassin

946
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 2: where too far? I thought my dad was crazy. My

947
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 2: dad has eight my dad I have eight brothers, and

948
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 2: I have eight. There's eight siblings or seven, there's eight

949
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 2: of us from many different women. Because my dad loves

950
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 2: getting it. I thought he was a crazy guy. Yeah,

951
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 2: this is This is much better, but it does sound

952
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 2: like so the whole family lived by donations because this

953
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 2: like huge. I had this huge family, like give us

954
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 2: money to take care of all these kids, which, yeah,

955
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 2: so it sounds like a crazy fucking that became a

956
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 2: murder call.

957
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: Is there a temptation when you're a zoo keeper and

958
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 1: just an animal lover to like adopt every animal you see?

959
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: I would imagine, yeah, right, nice.

960
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:20,240
Speaker 3: As a zoo keeper.

961
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 4: No, I think like zoo keeping kind of like drains

962
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 4: and desire to take care of literally anything else.

963
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,919
Speaker 3: So I didn't even want a plant, Like if there's

964
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 3: something that needed my attention to stay alive. It was

965
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 3: not welcome in my home.

966
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 4: So but as generally as an animal lover, it's like, yes,

967
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 4: the compassion, the the over sensitivity to animal suffering is there,

968
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 4: So you know, I can, I can. I have seen

969
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 4: people a mass large quantities of creatures out of that

970
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 4: out of that spirit.

971
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and can you Uh, this is We've had guests

972
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 2: on in the past who were all a little critical

973
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 2: of zoos and can just because when you go to

974
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 2: a zoos sometimes you see a bunch of animals in

975
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 2: cages and there's a certain emotional response to that of like,

976
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 2: this animal is in a cage. But can you kind

977
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 2: of like draw a direct connection for us between like

978
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 2: what zoos do for conservation and why they are necessary.

979
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 4: They're absolutely and I think you know sometimes when people

980
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 4: think of zoos, they kind of lump together, you know,

981
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 4: tiger king situations right, right, like accredited zoos and aquariums, right.

982
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 3: So accredited.

983
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:33,240
Speaker 4: Accredited zoos are conservation organizations and so every animal.

984
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:34,760
Speaker 3: So when you go to a zoo that's accredited.

985
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 4: Again, when you go to a zoo and you see

986
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,879
Speaker 4: you know, tigers or lions or elephants, or penguins, whatever

987
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 4: you see those animals are. There's a lot of science,

988
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 4: first of all, behind their care. So the way that

989
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 4: they're character is based on their natural history needs, based

990
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,320
Speaker 4: on research done on their populations in the wild, and

991
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 4: when they're bred, they're bread very strategically. They're all part

992
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 4: of what's called a species Survival plan or SSP, so

993
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 4: they're they're they're they're being paired together in a way

994
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 4: to increase genetic diversity in human care. Because essentially, a

995
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 4: good way to think about zoos is to think of it.

996
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 3: Kind of like an arc. So if you're familiar with

997
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 3: like the Bible.

998
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 4: Story with Noah and the Oregon was destroyed, but there

999
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 4: was this kind of like reserve population, zoos exists to

1000
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,439
Speaker 4: make sure that species don't go extinct, right, But people

1001
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:21,919
Speaker 4: get to come and see because a lot of people

1002
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,720
Speaker 4: don't know are not aware of the plight of species

1003
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 4: around the world, But when you come to the zoo

1004
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 4: you can kind of learn a lot about that and

1005
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 4: see it for yourself.

1006
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 3: And then also, like.

1007
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 4: Zoos are paying for and actually doing in c two

1008
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 4: or in the wild research to conserve species and reading

1009
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 4: in dangerous species, releasing them to the wild.

1010
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 3: There's a lot that's happening both with science and the

1011
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 3: education of the general public. So zoos are something that

1012
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 3: we definitely need for wildlife conservation.

1013
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, And before I forget Kreina, I'm sorry just

1014
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 2: to go back to that Brazilian story for a second.

1015
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,319
Speaker 2: That's that was first sent in. A lot of an

1016
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 2: animal sent that in that story in, but the first

1017
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 2: one was bab As. She's at Bia Bonduki on Instagram.

1018
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 2: Thank you for saying full and you run you run

1019
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:13,240
Speaker 2: a mentorship prop a program in zoo's correct.

1020
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 4: I'm no longer a zoo keeper and now I just

1021
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,720
Speaker 4: started a new job as community engagement manager for Georgia Audubon.

1022
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 3: I'm also a grad student as well.

1023
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 2: Congratulations, thank you.

1024
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 3: But I have started.

1025
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 4: I've started two programs that are kind of this mentorship

1026
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 4: or exposure experiences for kids who are interested in wildlife careers.

1027
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 4: One at the Nashville Zoo, which still exists, but once

1028
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 4: I when I Love Nashville Zoo.

1029
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 3: I of course passed that on to a new director.

1030
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 4: And then one at Malone University, which is my alma mater,

1031
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 4: that kind of gets high school students engaged in wildlife careers,

1032
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 4: so again also passed out on to a new director,

1033
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 4: but both of them are still active and exist, and

1034
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 4: they essentially are there to bridge the gap between people

1035
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 4: who are not really represented in the zoo field or

1036
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 4: in the wild science field. And the main reason why

1037
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 4: that is is because there's a lack of exposure to

1038
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 4: those careers and a lack of representation, so they don't

1039
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 4: really see themselves. I didn't see myself represented until the

1040
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 4: black of Zookeeper reached out to me.

1041
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 1: That's why I'm there.

1042
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,280
Speaker 2: That's fucking awesome. Yeah, and so that's great for everyone

1043
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 2: to know that those two programs are still going on

1044
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 2: in Nashville and I'm alone college.

1045
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely.

1046
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 2: Was there anything you would like to plug before we go, Well.

1047
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 3: I if you're interested in following me on social media.

1048
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 4: On Instagram, my handle is hood underscore Underscore Naturalists, so

1049
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,879
Speaker 4: to underscore two underscores, and then on Twitter it's Hood

1050
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 4: one underscore no Naturalist.

1051
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 2: Did someone grab your Instagram handle?

1052
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 4: No? So I no, no, no, I had actually made so.

1053
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 4: I made an Instagram and then I went to grad

1054
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 4: school and freaked out. I was like, I don't have

1055
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 4: time for social media, and I deleted it, and when

1056
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 4: you delete it, it eliminates that handle from the pool forever.

1057
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 3: If I couldn't get it fat oh.

1058
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: Danger.

1059
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 2: I like that you really committed. Though you really committed,

1060
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 2: you didn't like put it on pause. You're like hard

1061
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 2: to lay. That's great, Scott. Do you want to say

1062
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:16,919
Speaker 2: any last words?

1063
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: No, not really, just Kreana please come back. You know

1064
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: when we can get out there in the world, and

1065
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 1: I don't know, next time you're in La, please take

1066
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: Kurt and I birding. We would be very honored and

1067
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 1: think that was amazing.

1068
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 3: That would be incredible. It would be nothing but life.

1069
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 3: Birds for me.

1070
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 2: Birds I've never seen, so I have to Oh cool, Yeah,

1071
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:37,439
Speaker 2: come on out when this is over all right, thank

1072
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 2: you everybody for listening Banana Bananas. This has been an

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00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 2: exactly right production, produced and engineered by Katie Levine, theme

1074
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00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,040
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1076
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