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Speaker 1: I just received a copy of my wife's Spicy Sleep tape.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how to tell her.

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Speaker 2: Rim Kardashian.

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Speaker 1: First of the year, I received a package in the mail.

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Speaker 1: It's a DVD addressed to me and a type note

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Speaker 1: that says, for your eyes only, sinister, it's my wife

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Speaker 1: having Spicy Sleep separately with three guys. She was younger,

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Speaker 1: much younger, based on body and appearance and hairstyle was

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Speaker 1: around the time we were going out, either before or

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Speaker 1: during or after we were engaged. She'd grew her hair

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Speaker 1: longer for the wedding and kept it that way. Also,

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Speaker 1: this comes from a throwawaysdd oh oh on the r

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Speaker 1: slash Okay storytimes I read it. So First, I have

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Speaker 1: no idea who sent me other than one of these

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Speaker 1: guys in the DVD, none of which I know. I'm

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Speaker 1: assuming it's one of my wife's. Second, I've no idea

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Speaker 1: why they sent it. Are they trying to say she

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Speaker 1: was screwing around on me? The tape is in timestamp,

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Speaker 1: so I don't have a frame of reference. She kept

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Speaker 1: her hair short for years until we were engaged, so

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Speaker 1: it could have been during any block of time, certainly

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Speaker 1: before we dated. And also what were they trying to

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Speaker 1: achieve if this was taken before we dated. I know

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Speaker 1: my wife had other partners, how I had three times

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Speaker 1: a partner she did before we were married, but that

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Speaker 1: was twenty years ago. I think we're past that. But

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Speaker 1: apparently this person or person's isn't. The whole thing is strange.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what's going on. I haven't told my wife.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure how she would take it. She's very spicy,

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Speaker 1: sleepily aggressive and adventuress, but I don't think she'd like

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Speaker 1: the idea of her past catching up to her. But

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Speaker 1: I don't think I'll get to the bottom of this

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Speaker 1: unless I tell her there's an edit. But do you

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Speaker 1: think you say something?

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Speaker 2: I think so because also, like whoever sent this, like

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Speaker 2: that's trying to ruin her life, trying to ruin her life.

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Speaker 2: That's like illegal to have that copy of that.

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Speaker 1: And you know, my understanding is it was like for

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Speaker 1: some corn and it was like found online or something.

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Speaker 1: Well, we sent it, we could like download the DVD.

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Speaker 2: But I was and yeah, I totally couldn't be that too.

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Speaker 2: I was on the impression this was almost like a

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Speaker 2: home video for like sleep reasons, not for you know,

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Speaker 2: like porn reasons.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I wonder which one it is. I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: thinking I was thinking it was like a paid gig,

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Speaker 1: but maybebe but it also could not be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like like izz he says, maybe they're

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Speaker 2: blackmailing her and then like a revenge corn like there's

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Speaker 2: got to be something here that's like not you know,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I would tell her for the fact

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Speaker 2: of of just like, hey, someone is like.

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Speaker 1: Someone's trying like this, Yeah, and like you know, she

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Speaker 1: probably would know who it is, honestly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And also it give like like he said, it's

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Speaker 2: basically it sounds like there's a high possibility that this

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Speaker 2: was this happened before you know, they were a couple,

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Speaker 2: it seems. And I would just maybe approach it with

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Speaker 2: the angle of like I just don't want this person like,

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Speaker 2: you know, blackmailing you essentially, but then also maybe having

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Speaker 2: a conversation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think talking about it like like

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Speaker 1: as we say, stinky, secrets grow stinky, Yeah, and so

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Speaker 1: expose it as yeah, as soon as you can. Socrates says,

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Speaker 1: got to pay for college somehow exactly. That's what I'm thinking.

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking it's like a college side hustle rather than.

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Speaker 2: Like maybe, but that doesn't mean it's still like like

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Speaker 2: it would be legal.

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Speaker 1: It would mean it would be legal if it was

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Speaker 1: if it was a paid college side hustle and she

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Speaker 1: was like an actress, right, it could it could be

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Speaker 1: completely legal but still being used for blackmail.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder if the blackmail part of it is.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, it probably gets

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Speaker 2: probably gets pretty complex on us.

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Speaker 1: But we got some edits. Oh, we got some edits,

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Speaker 1: so edit. I'm overwhelmed by the responses, and thank you

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Speaker 1: for your interest. We are interested parties right now. Oh yes,

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Speaker 1: I did speak to my wife yesterday afternoon. Some mentioned

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Speaker 1: letting her watch it in private, and I gave her

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Speaker 1: that option. She did, and we talked at length. Some

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Speaker 1: of it is a bit clearer now. The two amateur

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Speaker 1: looking videos are two roommates taken on the same night.

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Speaker 1: That's why the camera doesn't move, and that's why the

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Speaker 1: room is the same. I asked why the bed looks different,

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Speaker 1: they changed him before they had another go. The other

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Speaker 1: is a boyfriend she dated when her and I met

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Speaker 1: before we actually started dating. She knows this man is

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Speaker 1: friends with one of the before mentioned roommates and thinks

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Speaker 1: it's him who got the three who got the three

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Speaker 1: videos together and something to us? Why well, She admits

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Speaker 1: that last summer he tried connecting with her on Facebook.

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Speaker 1: When she did, he tried to make it spicy sleep

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Speaker 1: yole again, so she stopped. She thinks he sent the

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Speaker 1: DVD to cause an issue with us for the first time.

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Speaker 1: I now have doubts. Her answers are logical but seem

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Speaker 1: a bit off to me, And honestly, I may be

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Speaker 1: upset that she did two guys in one night. I

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Speaker 1: know it was twenty years ago, but that's still hard

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Speaker 1: to take. Call me shallow if you want. Also, she

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Speaker 1: didn't seem shaken by the DVD or the fact I

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Speaker 1: had it, merely irritated that this person sent it. I

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Speaker 1: had the idea she'd rather I didn't have it, but

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Speaker 1: now that I did, Oh well, well, maybe she's just

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Speaker 1: like secure enough in the relationship that she's not worried

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It still leaves many questions unanswered, such as why the

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Speaker 1: tapes are from ninety six lash ninety seven and the

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Speaker 1: DVD was made in twenty thirteen, but I'm just getting

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Speaker 1: it now. That may be minor, but maybe everything. Plus

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Speaker 1: how does this gentleman know where I live? Facebook doesn't

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Speaker 1: give you that information.

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Speaker 2: That's the so far, that's the only thing that's raised.

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Speaker 1: Like, well, the main red flag I'm getting is an

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Speaker 1: X reached out to her on Facebook and she didn't

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Speaker 1: say anything like talk to him, Yeah, talk to him

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Speaker 1: for a while, and then once it got like a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point.

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Speaker 1: And she didn't say anything.

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Speaker 2: Great point. And how how do I mean there's ways

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Speaker 2: of finding an address? But that's also like.

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Speaker 1: And plus the guy, I see a little bit of

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Speaker 1: red flags, not with the two guys in one night,

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Speaker 3: And the guy, since he has that that's like power,

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Speaker 3: he definitely would have mentioned it and been like, hey,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna send this if you don't do X y Z,

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Speaker 3: like you don't just send something, you like you try

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Speaker 3: to get something out of it and then send it.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like, what was he did

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Speaker 2: he at first? Like successfully like try to get her

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Speaker 2: to like continue this relationship or do something even more nefarious,

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Speaker 2: and then finally, then finally she drew a hard line

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Speaker 2: and then he sent it buttoned and she's like trying

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Speaker 2: to play it off as no big deal, because that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because I think there were threads or like things

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Speaker 3: he wanted and she didn't mention that either, which I

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Speaker 1: A red flag. But maybe maybe why she didn't say

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Speaker 1: anything is he like this guy reconnected with her and

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Speaker 1: off the bat was like, I'm going to send this

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Speaker 1: or like initially it started as like, you know, like

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Speaker 2: But it got too far, and like she she didn't

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Speaker 2: want to expose the part where it went too far,

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Speaker 2: possibly allegedly.

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Speaker 1: So now I think we're like we're squarely in revenge

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Speaker 1: Corn territory. Like this is not like yeah, like they

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Speaker 1: filmed it. I think it seems like consentually. But now

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Speaker 1: it's like in revenge Corn, how does this gentleman know

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Speaker 1: where I live? Facebook doesn't give you that information. Being

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Speaker 1: I have doubts. Thanks to you all for your concern

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Speaker 1: and feedback. I love my wife and cherish her and

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Speaker 1: her passes are passed, but for some reason, it's slapping

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Speaker 1: us in the face right now. I will take some

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Speaker 1: time between the two of us to figure out what

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Speaker 1: is truly going on, and we have an edit number two.

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Speaker 1: Should I go get into it.

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Speaker 2: Or yeah, real quick, I just wanted to add I

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Speaker 2: I definitely could see where like some some possible red

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Speaker 2: something more nefarious or bad done to the wife that

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Speaker 2: she's like embarrassed, you know, embarrass to share. I could

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Speaker 2: also see that I think there's some insecurities with ope

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Speaker 1: Which is like I'm irrationally like like you know, it's coming,

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Speaker 1: Like I know I should be fine with her passes

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Speaker 1: are pasted. It shouldn't matter that she was with two

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Speaker 2: So I could see possibly either one you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but edit too, I want to clarif I'm something.

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Speaker 1: I've been getting a lot of feedback, mostly negative, where

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Speaker 1: everyone is irritating with me that I'm upset with my

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Speaker 1: wife for being two men in the same night. None

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Speaker 1: of my business. It was twenty years ago, I should

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Speaker 1: man up that sort of thing. Look, I said it

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Speaker 1: was hard to take. Most men understand their partner was

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Speaker 1: I didn't say I was changing my view of her,

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Speaker 1: but it's not an easy thing. And for everyone who

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Speaker 1: says it was twenty years ago, lighten up. I challenge

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Speaker 1: you to sit back, grab a beer, and watch two

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Speaker 1: night and see how you feel about it. Frustrated at best,

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Speaker 1: you will love her any less, but you'll not feel

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Speaker 1: great afterwards. Trust me. Did you have to watch the

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Speaker 1: whole thing with a beer?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So thanks thanks for everyone calling me an a hole,

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Speaker 1: But until you're in that possession, I'll ignore you. Thank

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Speaker 1: you very much. You know what, you should never ignore

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Speaker 1: the fact that we go live every weekday at three

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Speaker 1: pm e PST on YouTube. So final, this will be

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Speaker 1: my last edit. Thank you for all your support, but

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Speaker 1: all I will say is it's time for me to

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Speaker 1: make some decisions. I hacked into my wife's Facebook account.

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Speaker 1: Childish and mature, I'll admit it, but I did it nonetheless,

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Speaker 1: and I found things disturbing enough that I need to

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Speaker 1: think long and hard about what to do next. I've

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Speaker 1: given her the benefit of the doubt through this entire thing.

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Speaker 1: Now a shadow has been cast, and I'm questioning her

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Speaker 1: more than ever before. Heartbroken is putting it mildly. It's

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Speaker 1: time for me to work on my life and myself.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for everyone and their interest.

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Speaker 2: What is it, dude?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 2: What a vague and just like.

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Speaker 1: I'm guessing that she was like sending stuff? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Which I have talked about in a different post. She's

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Speaker 2: Why not talk to her? I mean, come on, especially

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Speaker 1: You have to like live the h exactly. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: And I didn't think about that until he mentioned it too.

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Speaker 1: What do you say to your wife? What do you

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Speaker 2: I would just well, first I would be I would

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Speaker 2: These affairs occurred not only during her so called seminars,

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Speaker 2: Wow. Some entries vividly describe how great these encounters were

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Speaker 2: get to the nights. My motivation was at an all

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00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 2: time low, affecting both my home life and my work.

438
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 2: I forced myself to continue exercising. Found it was the

439
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 2: only thing that actually made me feel better during this time.

440
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,880
Speaker 2: Whoever said in the previous post that I shouldn't give

441
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 2: up on doing exercise, thank you. You may have just

442
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:26,400
Speaker 2: saved my life. The stressed intensified after my wife returned

443
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 2: from her trip. I mean, this is the this is

444
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 2: the big moment. This is this is the big one.

445
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 1: Initially say something like asap.

446
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 2: Oh, like should he well it will he?

447
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 1: You think?

448
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 2: I at this point, I don't know if he can

449
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 2: hold it in. From like wise, yeah, did he?

450
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,160
Speaker 1: I mean he can barely hold it in when she's

451
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 1: not there.

452
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,199
Speaker 2: I feel yeah, I feel like he's going to be

453
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 2: pretty pretty quickly addressed this. Initially, it took all my

454
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,359
Speaker 2: energy to hide my disgust at her and the knowledge

455
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 2: that I had gained from about her actions. I've somewhat

456
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,479
Speaker 2: got used to this now, but it remains emotionally draining.

457
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,399
Speaker 2: She did notice that something was off, but still peers

458
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 2: to believe that I'm entirely unaware of what has transpired.

459
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 2: Her lack of shame is staggering. Just recently, she asked

460
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 2: me to buy her the expensive gift I promised her

461
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 2: for a ten year anniversary, for which I made an

462
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 2: excuse to not buy her just yet, despite her going

463
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 2: into another business trip just the day after our anniversary

464
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 2: dude true, Oh my god, which was described in extremely

465
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,959
Speaker 2: painful detail in her diaries. To make matters worse, she

466
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 2: was even arranging to meet her latest partner on the

467
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 2: day of my birthday. Bro Mans cannot catch a break.

468
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:45,399
Speaker 1: God, she has no freaking shame, No, I think, is

469
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: why I'm pretty sure she's a psychopath.

470
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is just like, if you're gonna do this.

471
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 1: Stuff, you should at least feel a little bit bad.

472
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,640
Speaker 1: You don't. Yeah, it's a little bit, like, not even

473
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,400
Speaker 1: that much. But she doesn't feel bad at all.

474
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Nowadays I've iard to feel a lot better,

475
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 2: thanks to exercise and therapy. I had never been to

476
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 2: a therapist before in my life, and to be honest,

477
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 2: I am not regret I am regretting not having it

478
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 2: done sooner. Despite my wife betraying me in the worst

479
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 2: way possible, part of me still thought that maybe all

480
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 2: of this was my own fault. Maybe if I had

481
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,479
Speaker 2: done this, if I had put more effort into that.

482
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 2: I blame myself for a lot of things. My therapist

483
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 2: helped me see through it. While I could have done

484
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 2: some things differently, in the end, I cannot be held

485
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 2: responsible for the actions she chose to take, and no

486
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 2: one deserves to be betrayed in the way I was.

487
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay.

488
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 2: If I'm at fault for anything, it's for blaming myself

489
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 2: for everything, always putting her needs ahead of my own

490
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 2: and trusting her unconditionally without question. While it was extremely

491
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 2: hard for me to balance work and looking after the

492
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 2: kids alone, every time she went on one of these trips,

493
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 2: I always let her go after convincing myself that I

494
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,919
Speaker 2: was doing it for her, to support her business, to

495
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 2: her to let her relieve stress from being at home,

496
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 2: that this is what a supportive husband would do, which

497
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 2: just super quickly, I think is like, you know, in general,

498
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 2: I feel like that is, you know, a good thing

499
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 2: to try to do for a partner and finding ways

500
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:13,360
Speaker 2: that you can support them.

501
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:18,360
Speaker 1: Generally this is good and sometimes like it's also getting

502
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: support elsewhere, you know, like having a list of six

503
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 1: to twelve men that can support your wife when you're

504
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 1: not there. You know, it's it's the little thing or

505
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: big things. It's the little or big, the massive, massive.

506
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 2: Running the range. I mean, if I got twelve guys,

507
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 2: you know.

508
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: That's yeah, sometimes all at the same time. You know,

509
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: it takes a village. It takes a.

510
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 2: Village to please your wife that if maybe I'd had

511
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 2: a better job or made her happier, she wouldn't feel

512
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,959
Speaker 2: the need to escape from home. Dude. Get I'm hoping

513
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 2: it's probably in trench deep, but just get that out

514
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 2: of the window of your brain hole as quick as possible.

515
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 2: My god, I'd be lying if I said I'm not

516
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 2: depressed anymore, but I'm certainly doing much better these days. Nowadays,

517
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 2: I feel more rage rather than sadness, and it is

518
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 2: the rage that's keeping me going. My therapist advised me

519
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 2: to channel this rage into the things I do which

520
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 2: has worked surprisingly well. I talked with two law firms

521
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 2: about my situation and was advised to collect more evidence,

522
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 2: which I've been devoting myself to for the past few weeks.

523
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 2: I finished digitizing all of her diaries from the past

524
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 2: few years, which were quite a lot. I got access

525
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 2: to your computer and found way too many photos, chat, conversations,

526
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 2: and documents to help my case. Oh my god, Kelley.

527
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: She's been posting all of her adventures into a very

528
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 2: distorted private Facebook group, to which I've also been able

529
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 2: to take plenty of screenshots. I wonder if this is

530
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 2: a like Ashley Madison type faces group. Ashley Madison was

531
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 2: a dating site only for people in like in relationships

532
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 2: getting into affairs, so it's literally dedicated to having an affair.

533
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 2: So I wonder if this Facebook group is, like.

534
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: Dude, we should totally read from those totally? Should we totally? Should?

535
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 2: I think I've seen like Ashley Madison stories before because

536
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 2: also their their entire site got hacked and leaked, so

537
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 2: it was a huge there's like a whole Netflix documentary

538
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 2: on it. There's like it's just you know, yeah, oh dude,

539
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 2: we should total Yeah, there's like a treasure trove of.

540
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: You know who could do get that for us as Ali?

541
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, a good guys are we are in the background,

542
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 2: We are, We're cooking. I've compiled a list of all

543
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,719
Speaker 2: of her segxual partners in the diaries and have been

544
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 2: identifying them one by one on social media, et cetera.

545
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 2: I've gathered everything I could on our current partners and

546
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 2: managed to figure out where they live and or work.

547
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 2: Now I'm debating on whether or not I should confront them.

548
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 2: What do you gain? What do you gain from confronting

549
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 2: the other guys?

550
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: I don't think anything.

551
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 2: Nothing, I feel like nothing. The things I've read in

552
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 2: these diaries are so bizarre that I thought maybe she

553
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 2: was just writing material for some sort of twisted novel.

554
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 2: That is until I found the all of the other

555
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 2: stuff on her computer, et cetera. Maybe I'm broken myself

556
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 2: as well. But a part of me is actually enjoying

557
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 2: the process of gathering all these tiny pieces of evidence

558
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: of information.

559
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: He's like, dag, this would make a great book, right.

560
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,199
Speaker 2: Cross referencing them with her diaries and finding everything I

561
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 2: can about her and her lovers. Part of me wants

562
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 2: to see her burn on social media by posting directly

563
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 2: everything I found out, since it's a big part of

564
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 2: her sense, A big part of her business is centered

565
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 2: around social media. Oh sh who, But I'm refraining myself

566
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 2: from doing so since that would affect both me and

567
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 2: the kids as well as her parents. Yeah, do not

568
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 2: do that.

569
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: Uh, maybe push for full custody of the kids. Push

570
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,239
Speaker 1: for full custody and like she would probably agree to

571
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: it because of what you.

572
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 2: Have exactly, And I think it is good to gather

573
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 2: all the evidence so that way you can get the

574
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 2: best possible situation that you want for you, for your kids,

575
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera, as well as your parents, who

576
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 2: have been nothing but kind to me since we've got married.

577
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 2: But I'm also not sure if I should bring this

578
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 2: to light to her parents as well. Census would probably

579
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 2: devastate them. I'm planning on confronting her after talking further

580
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: with the lawyers about how to make sure I gain

581
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 2: custody of my kids. The country I live in has

582
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 2: a rather unfair tendency of granting custody to the mother

583
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 2: even if she's unfit for it, setting the terms of

584
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 2: divorce and the child support. By the way, you could

585
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 2: join a live like we're right. We are right now

586
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 2: every weekday a three pmpst support us. Why aren't you

587
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 2: children tap the profile? In any case, thank you for

588
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,239
Speaker 2: all the advice. A few weeks ago, I was in

589
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,719
Speaker 2: full despair, had no idea what to do or how

590
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,959
Speaker 2: to approach the situation. Nowadays, I feel that little by

591
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 2: little I'm digging myself out of this hole that I've

592
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 2: been thrown into. Sorry if I don't respond to all

593
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 2: of your comments right now, my full attention is devoted

594
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 2: to protecting my kids. That is the end of the story.

595
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: Do I think he confronts the wife and not all

596
00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: the partners?

597
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think at this point Again, I think, you know,

598
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 2: like a short interim period on, you know, talking to

599
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 2: a lawyer, maybe gathering some stuff if you need. I

600
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 2: think we're well beyond the point and he can still

601
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 2: gathered you know, maybe she tried to hide stuff, but

602
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 2: like you can still gather stuff later. But just tell

603
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 2: all you need, yeah, just you have everything you need.

604
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 2: I would just tell her now and just kind of.

605
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: And also I don't think she even would want the

606
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: kids she if she's like she was at the beginning,

607
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: she was bouncing between like wishing they were never born. Yeah,

608
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: you know, so it's like like, which is a sociopathic

609
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: thing to say.

610
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just so insane.

611
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I think like for those reasons, definitely don't

612
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: be with her her, probably don't have her around your kids,

613
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: and you know, cut her free, cut her free, let

614
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: her go, let her go, you know, get more partners.

615
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: You know, she deserves it now.

616
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 2: Now hey, now she can get like hundred.

617
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, stack those numbers.

618
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 2: Uh, I mean twelve guys and in a marriage.

619
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: I mean that takes management. That takes time, and that's

620
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: some CEU show the CEO ship. Right.

621
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 2: She could, she could, She could do it and have

622
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 2: some sort of psychotic, very successful business.

623
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: Yeah I did. I mean even if she was like

624
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: sugar sugar babying, like.

625
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 2: Your baby you have Ashley Madison due, she might be.

626
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: She could have just getting fodder for it, could have

627
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: crushed it. But you know what, I'm going to focus

628
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: on this next story.

629
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 2: Let's do it