WEBVTT - Post-Graduate Psychopath

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<v Speaker 1>Of the law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 3>These are our stories, Dundun.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello and welcome to That's Messed Up an SVU podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Kara Klink.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm Liza Traeger and we're here talking SVU. The

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<v Speaker 2>True Crimes are based on and we are union strong

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<v Speaker 2>with SAG and WGA. There are no guests and holy

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<v Speaker 2>that'll change soon.

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<v Speaker 3>Guess what. I went to picket last week.

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<v Speaker 1>I went to Picket with This with Sagan WGA at

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<v Speaker 1>Disney and I ran into Robert brooks Cohen the pod. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he lives in La now full time. And we chatted

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<v Speaker 1>for a minute and I was like so happy to

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<v Speaker 1>see him. For those who don't know, he was a

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<v Speaker 1>writer on SVU and he was a great guest.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you want to go back in time and

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<v Speaker 3>check that one out.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll definitely have him on again one day post strike.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like he has a lot of tea that

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<v Speaker 1>he has yet to spill. But yeah, and he kind

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<v Speaker 1>of went viral because he made this like he made

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<v Speaker 1>this like letter board that said like in the like

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<v Speaker 1>in the television industry, writers are considered especially important or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like this whole thing he did that was

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<v Speaker 1>based on the sview thing, and it like went viral,

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<v Speaker 1>like all these people were posting it, and Warren Light

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<v Speaker 1>posted a picture of him with it too and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So because I know he was picketing in New York also,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think he's LA now, which is exciting. I

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<v Speaker 1>told him we'll see him at our next LA show

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<v Speaker 1>and we're post to coast right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Kara is in LA. I am in New York having

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<v Speaker 2>the time of my life. I you know, everyone leaves

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<v Speaker 2>New York in August, and I came for Labor Day.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, everyone leaves for Labor Day. They're in the

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<v Speaker 2>Hans Ends. I have the best time of my fucking life.

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<v Speaker 2>Like New York has so many different like you think

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<v Speaker 2>of the concrete jungle. Okay, see that wasn't even on

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<v Speaker 2>the rhythm. You don't have to edit that. That was

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<v Speaker 2>not copyritted, And I said, copyrightted. Things are going wild

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<v Speaker 2>over here. But for you know, I went to Red Hook,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a cool neighborhood on the water, and then

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<v Speaker 2>the next day, I went to a hotel pool and

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<v Speaker 2>then the next day I took an hour something ferry

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<v Speaker 2>to the beach, to the rockways. So it's like what

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<v Speaker 2>you think New York is. There's just so much ocean

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<v Speaker 2>and water and food.

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<v Speaker 1>When I lived there, I like never went to the beach.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think I went to Coney Island once,

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<v Speaker 1>but I just like road rise, I didn't really go

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<v Speaker 1>in the water.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, so it's, you know, what's fucked up. I've been

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<v Speaker 2>to the beach more in New York than I have

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<v Speaker 2>in La.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh. I mean, I never go to the beach in

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<v Speaker 3>LA It's too much of a process. I should.

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<v Speaker 2>My goal is I gotta go one more time. It

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<v Speaker 2>really But that's the thing. The hotel pool so nice

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<v Speaker 2>because like it's the it's the it's the getting to

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<v Speaker 2>the beach. The walk back, you know, it's the classic

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<v Speaker 2>yak back. That's like your sandy. You're sweaty, it's done.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to put everything back, you know. It's yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you hard, it's hard.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I hate being sandy, but I do like the beach. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I would go with you during a week day. I

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<v Speaker 1>just don't want to fuck with the weekends. And taking

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<v Speaker 1>my kids and stuff like Oscar still naps, Like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not doing all that.

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<v Speaker 3>They were not invited. They I want that to be

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<v Speaker 3>very ch So that's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying in general. With me going to the beach,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's always like, bring your kids to the beach. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>not right now, not until the knaps are done. I

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<v Speaker 1>think I don't want to do it. It sounds so

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<v Speaker 1>annoying to have your kids be all sandy.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the best part was on the ferry back.

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<v Speaker 2>Me and the girls were sitting not on the seats

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<v Speaker 2>but on like the white containers that hold the safety jackets,

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<v Speaker 2>like the lat pockets. So we're sitting because we want

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<v Speaker 2>to look. We want to look at the ocean. A

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<v Speaker 2>group of very religious Jewish women stand in front of us,

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<v Speaker 2>and then this other woman and the woman goes, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>did we block your view?

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<v Speaker 3>But it's like, what, it's fine, you know, you gotta stand.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to stand, we're gonna we're gonna ruin

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<v Speaker 2>the teens view. No, But then the woman's skirt kept

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<v Speaker 2>flowing up with the wind and she kept mooning us

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<v Speaker 2>with her full lavender underwear and to see a modest

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<v Speaker 2>religious woman's butt over and over again.

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<v Speaker 3>What a day. So, hey, you know what only in

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<v Speaker 3>New York. That's so funny. Oh my god, my parents

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<v Speaker 3>just landed in Israel this morning. No, yeah, I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>even know they were going. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>My mom is like, oh, we have a room overlooking

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<v Speaker 1>the Mediterranean.

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<v Speaker 3>I just what I need. I was like, yeah, Mom,

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<v Speaker 3>go I have at it.

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<v Speaker 1>But like, yeah, they my dad has this like cousin

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<v Speaker 1>who's like a Holocaust survivor and lives there and is

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<v Speaker 1>like ninety eight, and I think they just wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>go see her one more time.

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<v Speaker 3>So they're seeing her and hopefully I'll get a dip

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<v Speaker 3>into the Mediterranean. Yeah, I hope. So you're not watching

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<v Speaker 3>Below Decks Sailing yet, are you?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, down here, I'm just keeping track of all

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<v Speaker 1>the near missed sexual assaults that are happening.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'm not. I'm not watching. I watched well what

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<v Speaker 3>about Roney?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So I fell asleep last night halfway through the episode.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm ei they're getting ready for Anguila, but they

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<v Speaker 1>haven't gone yet.

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<v Speaker 2>And Guila's just the weird it feels. It doesn't roll

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<v Speaker 2>off my tongue. No, it's a hard word to say.

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<v Speaker 1>But I've seen pictures of friends that have gone there,

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<v Speaker 1>and it does look pretty awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I would love to.

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<v Speaker 1>Go any island would be fucking fantastic. Take it It's island,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm coming.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I used to babysit on that island a lot of island, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's you know, it's Upper East and it's across

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<v Speaker 2>from some hospitals, so I would go babysit for.

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<v Speaker 3>Some doctors, some residents, you know. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>My friend Andrea rose And is from there, and we

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<v Speaker 1>were just talking about it.

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<v Speaker 3>I just saw her recently. She grew up there, and.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm always like, what was that like, Like they don't

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<v Speaker 1>even have a school past sixth grade. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>like they have to go into the city for like school,

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<v Speaker 1>but like it's such a I don't even think I've

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<v Speaker 1>ever been there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, New York is And we passed Governor's Island

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<v Speaker 2>on the ferry. I mean, it really is just multi faceted.

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<v Speaker 2>I had the best cheeseburger of my life a Red

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<v Speaker 2>Hook tavern, Like ooh yeah, it was just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>too good to be true. And then I went to

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<v Speaker 2>Friends South yesterday. There was some more Toadella, my favorite.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, like, I'm so glad you had such a

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<v Speaker 3>magical weekend I have been.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually do want to bring this up to the

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<v Speaker 1>listeners because I'm sure I'm going to get a ton

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<v Speaker 1>of messages with uh suggestions. But I have been potty

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<v Speaker 1>training my son all weekend doing the pants off method.

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<v Speaker 1>My husband woke up with an illness on the first

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<v Speaker 1>day of body training and has been in bed the

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<v Speaker 1>entire time. We just found out he has pneumonia. Don't worry,

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<v Speaker 1>he's in recovery. He's got medication. But like I've been

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<v Speaker 1>like single handedly potty training a child while dealing with

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<v Speaker 1>another child. He's peeing everywhere. I hate every second of

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<v Speaker 1>it and I want to die. But you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>sent him to school today and told his teachers we're

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<v Speaker 1>fifty to fifty, so good luck.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll see what happens. But anyway, it's just been like.

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<v Speaker 1>A never ending weekend of blah because that's all I've

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<v Speaker 1>been doing. So I'm really glad that you have a good,

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<v Speaker 1>counterbalancing good weekend too.

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<v Speaker 2>And what's happening or oh yeah, why is he pissing

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<v Speaker 2>everywhere and taking the shits on the floor.

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<v Speaker 1>He hasn't taken a shit on the floor at our house. Luckily,

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<v Speaker 1>he has actually been proactive about shitting in the body.

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<v Speaker 1>But peeing is like it's like he doesn't know what's happening,

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<v Speaker 1>Like he's just talking to me while it's happening.

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<v Speaker 3>He's just like he was. I took him.

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<v Speaker 1>I took him because on the last day, the third day,

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<v Speaker 1>you're allowed to go on short outings. So I took

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<v Speaker 1>him to our friend's house and he immediately peed on

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<v Speaker 1>this like there's these couches called the Nugget and they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they kids can build like forts with them.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like multi piece couches or like little couches for kids.

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<v Speaker 1>And he was climbing on it and just pete. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I've never seen you pee like in motion

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<v Speaker 1>while doing something, Like, what is wrong with.

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<v Speaker 3>What's going on with you?

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm just really trying to keep it cool, which

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<v Speaker 1>is what my potty training course told me is to

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<v Speaker 1>keep it cool. So I'm like, oh, hey, man, you

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<v Speaker 1>pete in your pants. You're supposed to do it in

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<v Speaker 1>the potty maybe next time. Anyway, I'm supposed to act

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<v Speaker 1>like that doesn't bother me at all, and it honestly

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<v Speaker 1>is killing me, you know, because I don't like pee

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<v Speaker 1>on my body or on my hands or when I

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<v Speaker 1>step in it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't like it.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a pea incident with potty training on the

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<v Speaker 2>Real House Says of New York.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I saw that. I got to that part

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<v Speaker 1>that actually made me feel a little bit better. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, Okay, I guess kids be pissing.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew I had something to bring to the table,

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<v Speaker 2>and it just hit me, you know. Besides bragging about

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<v Speaker 2>my gorgeous labor day weekend, which I hope everyone had,

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<v Speaker 2>I also want to thank everyone that wished me a

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<v Speaker 2>happy birth. I saw all of your nice posts and messages,

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<v Speaker 2>so thank you so much for that.

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate it. I am old and I am cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and by the way, my birthday is tomorrow, so

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<v Speaker 1>I expect the same verb as you gave Lisa.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we are competitive with birthday wishes. We will be

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<v Speaker 2>counting the amount of posts per person. But you did

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<v Speaker 2>a great job on my slideshow. That was a nice

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<v Speaker 2>little surprise to wait Ojay. I was really surprised by that.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, Kara and our friend Laurence sent me

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<v Speaker 2>some cupcakes to the suburbs.

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<v Speaker 3>Of Chicago, and I have another thing here for you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm actually like looking at it right now, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>a little silly thing that I want to give you

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<v Speaker 1>for your birthday. But I'll wait till you return from

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<v Speaker 1>your travels, of course, so listen.

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<v Speaker 2>After the day at the pool, my friend who I'm

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<v Speaker 2>staying with, went to bed at eight pm, so I yes,

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<v Speaker 2>eight pm. She left me and I was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>but I wasn't gonna go out. So I watched the

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<v Speaker 2>Telemarketers the whole three part series. Then I watched the

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<v Speaker 2>documentary HQ, which was about this trivia phone app. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I watched a four part series on Sean White,

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<v Speaker 2>the snowboarder, and I'm into snowboarding. Map he is my icon,

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<v Speaker 2>my idol. I pray to the at whatever to Sean White.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know anything. And then Julia, who I'm saying with,

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<v Speaker 2>is like, yeah, we yeah, he's a big deal.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I didn't realize. Like I knew he was an

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<v Speaker 3>Olympic gold medalist.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course I knew he was very good, but a

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<v Speaker 2>revolutionary in the sport. He is the reason snowboarding is

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<v Speaker 2>what it is today. His family is incredible. They are

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<v Speaker 2>all so tight knit and like even the sister in

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<v Speaker 2>the doc was like, yeah, he's obviously incredibly talented, but

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<v Speaker 2>if he didn't have our parents, this might not happen.

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<v Speaker 2>They got a van, they would live in a van

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<v Speaker 2>and just drive from mountain to mountain, and they would

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<v Speaker 2>fly as a whole family like supporting him. He is

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<v Speaker 2>so fucking cool. I just really enjoyed the documentary. Of

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<v Speaker 2>course I cried, you know, he got his mama Lexus

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<v Speaker 2>and so I I bawled. But the injuries he's had.

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<v Speaker 2>But then it wasn't enough. So I'm sleeping in the

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<v Speaker 2>living room. But I couldn't sleep in the morning, so

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<v Speaker 2>I'm on YouTube and Julia comes out and she goes,

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<v Speaker 2>are you watching Sean White videos?

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<v Speaker 3>And I go, yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Go get ready, get ready for my snowboard era. I've

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<v Speaker 2>never been interested in winter sports in any capacity, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think I might try snowboarding.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to kind of try it now. That's so fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, more about how you and Rosie are

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<v Speaker 1>freaking soulmates. She literally yesterday goes, mom, can I try snowboarding?

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<v Speaker 3>And I was like, sure, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't know how to snowboard, but maybe Uncle Kevin can

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<v Speaker 1>teach us because my brother snowboards. And she was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I go, but just so you know, when you first

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<v Speaker 1>start snowboarding, you land on your butt a lot. And

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<v Speaker 1>she was like, okay, I'm ready. Well that's maybe me

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<v Speaker 1>and Rosie could take a lesson. Yeah, and I'll together

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<v Speaker 1>drink drink a little spike hot chocolate. Wait, I've met

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<v Speaker 1>Sean White.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait get the in Torino.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, in Torino, in bardonek Ya, I went to I

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<v Speaker 1>went with Katie Couric to for to interview him the

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<v Speaker 1>Flying Tomato.

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<v Speaker 3>But I didn't really.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, like I knew he was famous, but I was

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<v Speaker 1>like phi, you know, like I wasn't really like.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly I didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't realize what And because he pushed the sport

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<v Speaker 2>because he started practicing with foam pits and just like

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<v Speaker 2>now you know, the whole point of the four part

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<v Speaker 2>doc is like the last run and it's his fifth

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<v Speaker 2>Olympics and like, you know, just his retirement ride. But

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<v Speaker 2>the youth are so good because of him.

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<v Speaker 1>He elevated the sport and so now all these teenagers

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<v Speaker 1>are incredible doing tricks that his old, you know, his old.

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<v Speaker 3>He's thirty five.

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<v Speaker 2>His body he can't do it, he can't do it,

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<v Speaker 2>all these injuries. But his physical therapy is amazing. And

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<v Speaker 2>she works with Serena and Venus and they have such

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<v Speaker 2>a lovely relationship. His coach is cool.

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<v Speaker 3>And he's dating Nina Jabriv which people with her. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>she's Vampire Diaries.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and she dated Ian smolder Holder from Smolder Holder.

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<v Speaker 3>I knew it, and you didn't say it.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to say it, but yeah, because I

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<v Speaker 2>found an article and it was like all Nina's exes

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<v Speaker 2>and their estimated wealth like net worth, and his is,

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<v Speaker 2>of course more than anybody's. He's worth sixty five million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean his Red Bull contract was for one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like Tony Hawk with skateboarding, right exactly. And they

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<v Speaker 1>lived Michael to each other, Oh my god, because he

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<v Speaker 1>called he goes.

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<v Speaker 3>I got a video game too.

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<v Speaker 2>But like I guess I knew he had long hair

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<v Speaker 2>because my favorite clip of him is he's doing a

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<v Speaker 2>post Olympic interview and he's like the flight was wild.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone's giving me attention.

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<v Speaker 2>I've already said this on the pod before, but I

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<v Speaker 2>do love it, and they did put it in the

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<v Speaker 2>dock and he goes, everyone is giving me drinks and

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<v Speaker 2>the newscast goes, drinks, aren't you nineteen?

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<v Speaker 3>And he goes, hah, mountain dews baby.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like so, and then she goes, did he just

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<v Speaker 1>call me baby?

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I was really inspired. It was really cool. He is, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he's friends with Aaron Paul. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>it just was sports are really easy material for inspire

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<v Speaker 2>inspirational docks, like thirty for thirties. Any kind of sport

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<v Speaker 2>thing is usually invigorating. I would say, yeah, yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and then his mom was really tight with

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<v Speaker 2>money and didn't want him to spend. And then finally

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<v Speaker 2>he goes, whatever, mom, and then bought two Lamborghinis. But

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<v Speaker 2>all this footage but the telemarket So I had like

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<v Speaker 2>a documentary Saturday night.

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<v Speaker 1>How was the telemarketing thing? Because I'm dying to watch that.

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<v Speaker 1>But everything that those Saftie Brothers guys make like make

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<v Speaker 1>me feel like I'm on cocaine and like I have

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<v Speaker 1>to so I'm going to be agitated, didn't make it.

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<v Speaker 1>They producing it.

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<v Speaker 3>So basically it's this like teen teen scumbag.

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<v Speaker 2>He loved graffiti and his dad was like, you gotta

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<v Speaker 2>do it, you gotta get a job. And who's going

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<v Speaker 2>to hire a dirt bag team? This telemarketing place that

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<v Speaker 2>is a scam.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, they're.

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<v Speaker 2>Highly illegal and they are they're doing fundraising for the

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<v Speaker 2>Fraternal Order of the Police and the it's obviously intertwined

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<v Speaker 2>with the police and unions, and they're taking people's money

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<v Speaker 2>and spending it on golf excursion.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really fucked.

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<v Speaker 2>But so basically, but this teen wanted to be a

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<v Speaker 2>documentary filmmaker. So it's so much footage of this place,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's like that's how it started. It was just

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<v Speaker 2>him as a teen getting all this footage. But a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the people that work there are ex cons

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<v Speaker 2>because no one hires felons, but this place, there's no

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<v Speaker 2>standards in any way, so these felons come out, they

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<v Speaker 2>get jobs. So it's felons and teens and the best

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<v Speaker 2>salesman on the force a heroin addict, so he's like

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<v Speaker 2>falling asleep on heroin at work. They're sex workers selling

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<v Speaker 2>their goods in the back like it was wild.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like there's a camaraderie.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like using all this footage and then the

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<v Speaker 2>dude on Heroin Pat is like, you know, this company

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<v Speaker 2>is shady as fuck, and they start investigating, and so

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<v Speaker 2>then they lose him because he's an addict, and they

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<v Speaker 2>they can't find him for eight years, and then he

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<v Speaker 2>hits them back up and they start with their investigation

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<v Speaker 2>again and they start talking to government people and all

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff. But what's a little wild is they get

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<v Speaker 2>really cool meetings and they have a lot of evidence, but.

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<v Speaker 3>He's not good at it.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a scene where Pat, this heroin dude is

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<v Speaker 2>like interviewing someone and the voiceover goes and then we

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<v Speaker 2>realized he wasn't very good at this, but they continue

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<v Speaker 2>to do it. So they're like trying to do Michael

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<v Speaker 2>Moore stuff and they're breaking. They're like entering a police

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<v Speaker 2>union conference and he's like going up to a guy.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like Yates, Yates, Yates, and the guy's like, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not Yeates, and they go outside. He goes he's denying

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<v Speaker 2>who he even is, and they're like his name is Yaus,

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<v Speaker 2>It's not Yates, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's like they're bad at it.

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<v Speaker 2>So they get all the information and it is like,

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<v Speaker 2>no one wants to fuck with the unions. At the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the day, there were there were like national

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<v Speaker 2>investigations and the company has got in trouble, but no

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<v Speaker 2>one wants to fuck with these unions. But it is

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<v Speaker 2>good and there's a lot of cool info and footage,

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<v Speaker 2>and I like the friendship and I you know, camaraderie

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<v Speaker 2>at a workplace when you're young is special. Yes, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I waitress set a coke den restaurant and it's like

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<v Speaker 2>there is like fun, you know, stealing clam chowders and

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<v Speaker 2>eating them in the back with saying, oh no, that

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<v Speaker 2>was fun. But it's they're not good at investigative reporting,

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<v Speaker 2>and so every interview they get ends up the bust.

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<v Speaker 3>But they are right and it is corrupt and it

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<v Speaker 3>is cool.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think the Safti brothers like joined and probably

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<v Speaker 2>made it better and produced. But it's because of all

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<v Speaker 2>this old footage she had of this why I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Not putting I gotta watch it. I can't wait.

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<v Speaker 2>And the heroin dude looks like someone we know, and

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<v Speaker 2>it is very funny.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, now you got Now I wait, let me

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<v Speaker 1>watch it and make my guests.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I also found out through this that before you watched it,

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about it with our friends, and we found

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<v Speaker 1>out that our friend was a telemarketer and was like

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<v Speaker 1>very good at it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I did fundraising for my university and I was good

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<v Speaker 2>at it.

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't think. But I believed in it in

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<v Speaker 3>a way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I called alumni and was like, give a few bucks,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I wasn't selling somebody, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a website that's not real, like jen Shaw or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but it also like they had all the scripts

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<v Speaker 2>and it's they've really they're terrible people. And then some

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<v Speaker 2>people's faces are blurred in the interviews, like the people

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<v Speaker 2>that own these companies like it. Oh, yeah, it's interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>The HQ one was interesting too. I didn't know anything

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<v Speaker 2>about it.

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<v Speaker 3>I played HQ religious.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course you did. Yeah, that's not I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>a doubt in my mind about that.

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<v Speaker 3>I was obsessed with HG.

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<v Speaker 2>Well do you know the story of the demise and

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<v Speaker 2>all of that. No, I don't even know what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Why did I stop playing?

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<v Speaker 1>Like why, I mean, I guess why do we stop

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<v Speaker 1>When did I stop doing Marco Polo? When did we

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<v Speaker 1>stop playing house party? I mean, you know, like there's

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<v Speaker 1>all these little.

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<v Speaker 2>Like no but those like someone lost their life, Like

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<v Speaker 2>this is insane. There's there's wild shit in this doc.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm meaning about.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, true, the HQ doc Betary is true crime. I

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<v Speaker 3>had no idea.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all true. That's what we've learned. Everything is funny.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything that's a true crime. You know, once the Housewives

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<v Speaker 1>crossed over. Well, I also want to say thanks to

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<v Speaker 1>everybody that came out to our shows in Raleigh, Charlotte,

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<v Speaker 1>d C, Atlanta. We are back out in October. Get

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<v Speaker 1>those tickets Boston. We need you guys to show up.

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<v Speaker 1>We're at the wilbur We maybe bit off more than

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<v Speaker 1>we could chew and we need to fill those seats.

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<v Speaker 1>And then cle We're at a We're in Toronto for

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<v Speaker 1>the first time. We're at a ton of cool places.

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<v Speaker 1>So go to That's Messed Up Live dot com and

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<v Speaker 1>check out where we're going in October and come see us.

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<v Speaker 3>And then yes, the New.

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<v Speaker 1>York tickets are going fast. We might add another show

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<v Speaker 1>if you guys keep If you guys keep it, up. So,

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<v Speaker 1>but get those New York ticks and we'll let you

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<v Speaker 1>know what happens with that should we get.

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<v Speaker 2>Started, and I'll be in Brooklyn October eleventh at the Bellhouse.

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<v Speaker 3>There's some tickets left, not a lot. I would get that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, get those Bellhouse tickets. I'm doing an opening set.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna blow your fucking mind. Just I mean, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>do what I can.

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<v Speaker 3>All right. We have a great.

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<v Speaker 1>Episode for you guys, though, so stay right where you are.

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<v Speaker 1>You guessed it, guys. We did Born Psychopath last week,

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<v Speaker 1>and obviously we're hitting you with the two parter. We're

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<v Speaker 1>doing Postgraduate Psychopath Today, season twenty two, the second part

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<v Speaker 1>of a I don't know two episodes that with eight

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<v Speaker 1>seasons in between. This one aired May twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can tell there's COVID like precautions all over

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<v Speaker 1>this episode, so you could tell they shot it during

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<v Speaker 1>that time.

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't even think I noticed that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, there are screens. There's people talking about masks.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I saw the screen. I don't know why the

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<v Speaker 2>masks and registered so wild.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, so if you have not listened to last week's episode,

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<v Speaker 1>you probably should.

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<v Speaker 3>If this is your first episode.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty wild of our podcast, but go back because

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<v Speaker 1>this is part of a two parter. So we open

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<v Speaker 1>with a disclaimer on this episode that it's a fictional

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<v Speaker 1>story and not based on anyone as usual. Sure, Jan,

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<v Speaker 1>So the episode opens with some sepia toned footage of

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<v Speaker 1>the last episode, so eight seasons earlier, Born Psychopath. It's

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<v Speaker 1>refreshing our memory Henry's being sent to a treatment facility

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<v Speaker 1>until he's eighteen years old. Cut to present day, it's

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<v Speaker 1>December of twenty twenty and how So I.

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<v Speaker 2>Am curious did they come up with this in the

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<v Speaker 2>writer's room? Did Warren Light want him back? Were they

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<v Speaker 2>like this would be a great idea like that? I

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<v Speaker 2>am so curious, And maybe we need to hit up

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<v Speaker 2>Mole because I want to know how they decided to

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<v Speaker 2>do this. They've never really done this before outside I

0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:10.760
<v Speaker 2>know William Lewis, but that's so connected. They've never done this,

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<v Speaker 2>and I am curious how they came up with this

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<v Speaker 2>and that the boy agreed.

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<v Speaker 3>To come back and all of that. So, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>am too.

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<v Speaker 1>That'll be a question when we finally get Warren Light

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<v Speaker 1>on the podcast. I'm sure after the strike is resolved,

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to be dying to talk. So it's December

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<v Speaker 1>of twenty twenty, the heart of the pandemic. Henry Messner

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<v Speaker 1>is standing in family court addressing a judge and guess what,

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<v Speaker 1>he's eighteen now, and he is describing how he's been

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<v Speaker 1>in the facility since he was ten. And by the way,

0:22:36.960 --> 0:22:38.760
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't go to Vermont like the way they talk

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<v Speaker 1>about it, and the thing he definitely, I think, is

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<v Speaker 1>in a facility that's like out on Long Island or

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere in New York because you see it later in

0:22:45.320 --> 0:22:49.080
<v Speaker 1>the title cards. And he's like, when I got here,

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<v Speaker 1>I lacked remorse, empathy, impulse control.

0:22:51.480 --> 0:22:53.800
<v Speaker 3>I was a pathological liar. I had anger issues.

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<v Speaker 1>And we see a flashback of Henry being a creepy

0:22:55.880 --> 0:22:58.680
<v Speaker 1>little psycho, like we just all watched this episode last week.

0:22:59.000 --> 0:23:01.720
<v Speaker 1>And now his therapist is on the sands saying that

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<v Speaker 1>he's been an exemplary patient for the past five years, curious,

0:23:05.640 --> 0:23:08.480
<v Speaker 1>proactive in his recovery, and she is just standing behind

0:23:08.480 --> 0:23:11.640
<v Speaker 1>a free piece of plexiglass so you can tell its

0:23:11.680 --> 0:23:14.320
<v Speaker 1>pandemic vibes, and she I.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't know if you remember her.

0:23:15.520 --> 0:23:19.480
<v Speaker 2>She's from that episode with Adam Beach where Chesterlake ends

0:23:19.520 --> 0:23:20.359
<v Speaker 2>up murdering people.

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<v Speaker 3>She's in the society with him.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, she's like, Okay, I knew I recognized her. The

0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:27.840
<v Speaker 1>actress's name is Deirdre love Joy, which I was like,

0:23:27.880 --> 0:23:29.800
<v Speaker 1>that's just a cute name, but I didn't actually look

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<v Speaker 1>her up, like to see that.

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<v Speaker 3>That's interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she was the one that was in the Secret

0:23:34.240 --> 0:23:37.879
<v Speaker 2>Society of Detectives in Philadelphia with Yeah, which is based

0:23:37.880 --> 0:23:40.240
<v Speaker 2>sound like because she sounds familiar, she looks she seems

0:23:40.240 --> 0:23:43.920
<v Speaker 2>what's her name again, Deirdre love Joy because love Joy.

0:23:43.800 --> 0:23:46.200
<v Speaker 3>Is also from the Simpsons, Reverend love Joy.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, but she's really familiar.

0:23:50.080 --> 0:23:53.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she has so many credits. Oh yeah, she's been

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<v Speaker 1>working Blacklist sview. Oh wait, she's been on a couple

0:23:56.200 --> 0:23:58.520
<v Speaker 1>s views. Hold on, Oh my god. She was in Slaves.

0:23:58.880 --> 0:24:01.920
<v Speaker 1>She was in Slaves season one, which we've covered based

0:24:01.960 --> 0:24:05.280
<v Speaker 1>on Colleen stan She plays a detective. Then she's the

0:24:05.320 --> 0:24:09.000
<v Speaker 1>same detective in season two an episode called Secrets, and

0:24:09.040 --> 0:24:13.360
<v Speaker 1>then she plays someone named Penelope Fielding in Cold that's

0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:15.760
<v Speaker 1>the one you're talking about, because those are cold cases.

0:24:16.080 --> 0:24:19.040
<v Speaker 1>And then she's back as doctor Mackie. Uh so they

0:24:19.040 --> 0:24:22.080
<v Speaker 1>obviously love her looking at her stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>This is interesting because I just watched Girls and she's

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<v Speaker 2>in an episode of Girls, So I feel like that

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<v Speaker 2>might be the connection. Oh okay, and I had because

0:24:30.640 --> 0:24:33.199
<v Speaker 2>she seemed so familiar to me. But also she was

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<v Speaker 2>in Orange just the New Black for a couple episodes.

0:24:35.600 --> 0:24:38.720
<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, and she's done like an American horror story.

0:24:38.880 --> 0:24:43.720
<v Speaker 3>She's been working, so she's like, no one could be like.

0:24:43.760 --> 0:24:46.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh, she plays one of Hannah's aunts and girls.

0:24:46.880 --> 0:24:50.080
<v Speaker 1>Oh right, right right, that's no one could be hype

0:24:50.119 --> 0:24:52.840
<v Speaker 1>manning Henry Mesterner more than this woman.

0:24:52.960 --> 0:24:54.720
<v Speaker 3>She is like, he is the shit.

0:24:55.119 --> 0:24:57.680
<v Speaker 2>And this surminds me of Ed Kemper, you know, who

0:24:57.760 --> 0:25:00.679
<v Speaker 2>was able to he was so smart because a lot

0:25:00.720 --> 0:25:04.800
<v Speaker 2>of these psychopaths are really high IQ and so Ed Kemper,

0:25:05.119 --> 0:25:07.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, killed his like grandma and grandpa as a

0:25:07.400 --> 0:25:11.680
<v Speaker 2>youth and was able to trick everyone, become everyone's favorite guy,

0:25:12.119 --> 0:25:14.240
<v Speaker 2>and they feel good about themselves because they're like, Wow,

0:25:14.280 --> 0:25:15.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm an amazing psychologist.

0:25:16.240 --> 0:25:19.040
<v Speaker 3>I cured this little psycho and they know how to

0:25:19.040 --> 0:25:20.360
<v Speaker 3>fake it. Yeah.

0:25:20.400 --> 0:25:22.240
<v Speaker 2>So this reminds me of Ed Kemper, which is a

0:25:22.280 --> 0:25:24.200
<v Speaker 2>case that we covered. If you know, if you're new

0:25:24.240 --> 0:25:26.560
<v Speaker 2>to this pod and you want to go explore. We

0:25:26.600 --> 0:25:28.040
<v Speaker 2>already gave you a couple examples.

0:25:28.359 --> 0:25:31.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a cool, it's a it's a it's a

0:25:31.200 --> 0:25:33.480
<v Speaker 1>it's fucking psycho, but it's a very I love the

0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:34.520
<v Speaker 1>Ed Kemper stuff.

0:25:34.560 --> 0:25:35.440
<v Speaker 3>It's so interesting.

0:25:35.920 --> 0:25:38.720
<v Speaker 2>Well because Slaves also that you mentioned, was one of

0:25:38.720 --> 0:25:42.199
<v Speaker 2>our first episodes we've ever done and still haunts me.

0:25:42.960 --> 0:25:47.080
<v Speaker 2>I think about Colleen stan weekly. Yeah, I think about

0:25:47.119 --> 0:25:50.679
<v Speaker 2>her all the time. It really affected me.

0:25:51.080 --> 0:25:51.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:25:51.680 --> 0:25:56.240
<v Speaker 1>It's a yeah, horrific case and the people can survive

0:25:56.520 --> 0:25:58.320
<v Speaker 1>come back from the edge of such horror.

0:25:58.600 --> 0:26:01.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh you know what this actress though to come back

0:26:01.160 --> 0:26:04.240
<v Speaker 2>to it. She was sixty episodes of The Wire, so

0:26:05.119 --> 0:26:07.439
<v Speaker 2>because people will yell if we didn't sixty they know.

0:26:07.840 --> 0:26:10.720
<v Speaker 1>Okay, you guys know The Wire is my blind spot.

0:26:10.760 --> 0:26:13.800
<v Speaker 1>I never watched it, so but that is that is

0:26:13.840 --> 0:26:16.200
<v Speaker 1>a big thing for her. Yeah, sixty episodes, and she's

0:26:16.240 --> 0:26:18.360
<v Speaker 1>done regular law and Order, and I bet you she's

0:26:18.400 --> 0:26:20.520
<v Speaker 1>done you know, Oh, she's done criminal intent. So she's

0:26:20.520 --> 0:26:24.040
<v Speaker 1>done the whole tri EFFECTA. So the sister Ruby, who

0:26:24.160 --> 0:26:27.479
<v Speaker 1>is now thirteen, who Henry tried to kill, is like

0:26:27.560 --> 0:26:32.000
<v Speaker 1>in the gallery at court watching his therapist says that

0:26:32.040 --> 0:26:34.159
<v Speaker 1>when he was admitted, he was on the severe end

0:26:34.200 --> 0:26:37.320
<v Speaker 1>of the psychopathy checklist. And we're seeing, you know, a

0:26:37.320 --> 0:26:40.920
<v Speaker 1>flashback of Henry describing how he just super coolly killed Snowball,

0:26:41.280 --> 0:26:43.320
<v Speaker 1>but the therapist insisting that now he's learned how to

0:26:43.320 --> 0:26:46.760
<v Speaker 1>control his emotions and behavior. And now on the stand

0:26:46.880 --> 0:26:49.919
<v Speaker 1>is Henry's dad, who was sitting with the sister. But

0:26:49.920 --> 0:26:52.159
<v Speaker 1>I didn't recognize it because they have recast him. He

0:26:52.240 --> 0:26:55.240
<v Speaker 1>is a different man.

0:26:54.920 --> 0:26:56.639
<v Speaker 3>Isn't a recast? I thought maybe he just got a

0:26:56.640 --> 0:26:57.240
<v Speaker 3>little older.

0:26:57.680 --> 0:27:01.280
<v Speaker 1>No, the season fourteen actor was na to Alex Mannette,

0:27:01.320 --> 0:27:03.879
<v Speaker 1>who weirdly was also in the movie We Need to

0:27:03.880 --> 0:27:06.040
<v Speaker 1>Talk About Kevin, which is like conic movie about a

0:27:06.080 --> 0:27:07.520
<v Speaker 1>child psychopath.

0:27:07.240 --> 0:27:09.359
<v Speaker 3>Which I saw on one of my first dates with Jared.

0:27:09.440 --> 0:27:13.159
<v Speaker 1>If that is tells you anything anyway, it looks like

0:27:13.200 --> 0:27:15.639
<v Speaker 1>this guy stopped acting in twenty seventeen, so that's probably

0:27:15.640 --> 0:27:17.399
<v Speaker 1>why he didn't come back to reprise the role. And

0:27:17.440 --> 0:27:19.800
<v Speaker 1>now it's being played by Jason Cottole, and I don't

0:27:19.840 --> 0:27:23.040
<v Speaker 1>really know anything him from anything. He's on the stand

0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:25.719
<v Speaker 1>saying that him and his new wife Holly, and his

0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:29.800
<v Speaker 1>sister Ruby have visited regularly Henry in this facility. They

0:27:29.800 --> 0:27:31.439
<v Speaker 1>can't wait for him to come home and live with

0:27:31.480 --> 0:27:33.280
<v Speaker 1>them and live with his new little.

0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:35.439
<v Speaker 3>Brother arlow uh oh.

0:27:35.800 --> 0:27:38.240
<v Speaker 1>He also reveals, I just think having a when you

0:27:38.280 --> 0:27:40.040
<v Speaker 1>mentioned that, like there's gonna be a little kid around

0:27:40.040 --> 0:27:42.720
<v Speaker 1>a psychopath, I don't like that. I mean immediate hairs

0:27:42.760 --> 0:27:45.040
<v Speaker 1>on the back of my neck. So he also reveals

0:27:45.080 --> 0:27:48.320
<v Speaker 1>that Henry's mother passed away five years ago aka Hope

0:27:48.359 --> 0:27:50.600
<v Speaker 1>Davis was busy and not replaceable because I think she

0:27:50.600 --> 0:27:52.760
<v Speaker 1>had a bigger part in the last episode and she's

0:27:52.760 --> 0:27:55.359
<v Speaker 1>more recognizable and they're like, but she would be so

0:27:55.520 --> 0:27:58.720
<v Speaker 1>proud of Henry, he says. And Henry testifies that the

0:27:58.800 --> 0:28:01.680
<v Speaker 1>staff and doctor Mackie have helped and encouraged him so much.

0:28:01.960 --> 0:28:03.520
<v Speaker 3>They really had faith that he could change.

0:28:03.520 --> 0:28:05.439
<v Speaker 1>And the judge is like, all right, let me think

0:28:05.480 --> 0:28:07.000
<v Speaker 1>about this and I'll get a decision to you before

0:28:07.040 --> 0:28:11.320
<v Speaker 1>the holidays. And Henry gives this like extremely freaky half smile.

0:28:12.000 --> 0:28:14.720
<v Speaker 1>This actor is like very good, like he's so dead eyes,

0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:17.080
<v Speaker 1>it's like really and he just gives a sort of

0:28:17.119 --> 0:28:20.240
<v Speaker 1>like half smile that you could kind of if you

0:28:20.280 --> 0:28:22.919
<v Speaker 1>were the judge be like, oh, is he smiling or

0:28:23.240 --> 0:28:25.880
<v Speaker 1>is he a total psycho? It's like very, very confusing,

0:28:25.920 --> 0:28:29.360
<v Speaker 1>and that leads us right into the credits. From the credits,

0:28:29.400 --> 0:28:33.080
<v Speaker 1>we are smashed right in to seeing a girl getting

0:28:33.119 --> 0:28:35.160
<v Speaker 1>wheeled out of a building on a stretcher that says

0:28:35.160 --> 0:28:37.480
<v Speaker 1>the building says Manhattan School of Design. So we're at

0:28:37.560 --> 0:28:40.000
<v Speaker 1>like one of the many made up colleges in New

0:28:40.080 --> 0:28:43.120
<v Speaker 1>York and a uniformed officer is downloading all the info.

0:28:43.200 --> 0:28:46.320
<v Speaker 3>Her name is Libby Blandon. She's nineteen, she's unconscious. She

0:28:46.400 --> 0:28:47.080
<v Speaker 3>was found.

0:28:46.800 --> 0:28:49.720
<v Speaker 1>Burned, lost a lot of blood or her roomy found

0:28:49.720 --> 0:28:53.560
<v Speaker 1>her tied up, gagged and naked, so sexual assault is implied.

0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:56.800
<v Speaker 1>Finn and our girl kat Toman aka friend of the

0:28:56.800 --> 0:28:58.320
<v Speaker 1>Pod Jamie gray Hyder, are there.

0:28:58.840 --> 0:28:59.960
<v Speaker 3>They go to top to the roommate.

0:29:00.480 --> 0:29:03.360
<v Speaker 1>She's wearing like a two piece outfit with like neon

0:29:03.480 --> 0:29:06.120
<v Speaker 1>and like matching neon boots, and she explains that she

0:29:06.200 --> 0:29:06.920
<v Speaker 1>and Libby.

0:29:06.680 --> 0:29:09.520
<v Speaker 3>Were at a dage, which is a day rage.

0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:11.760
<v Speaker 1>I did double check it and make sure that it

0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:13.960
<v Speaker 1>wasn't just like some boomer in the writer's room making

0:29:14.000 --> 0:29:16.480
<v Speaker 1>this up. It does exist. I wish we could do better.

0:29:16.760 --> 0:29:20.520
<v Speaker 1>I think that sounds like silly slang. But apparently Libby

0:29:20.600 --> 0:29:23.920
<v Speaker 1>left the dage early around seven or eight, and the

0:29:24.040 --> 0:29:26.080
<v Speaker 1>roommate went to go hook up with her ex, and

0:29:26.120 --> 0:29:28.240
<v Speaker 1>then she's like, oh my god, that might have saved

0:29:28.240 --> 0:29:30.240
<v Speaker 1>my life. And it's like, also, your friend isn't dead.

0:29:30.280 --> 0:29:33.800
<v Speaker 1>Stop being so dramatic. In the dorm room, the scene

0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:37.440
<v Speaker 1>is extremely fucked up, like we've seen other scenes, but like,

0:29:37.520 --> 0:29:39.800
<v Speaker 1>there is so much blood on the mattress. There's an

0:29:39.800 --> 0:29:42.040
<v Speaker 1>extension cord that was used to tie up the victim,

0:29:42.520 --> 0:29:45.040
<v Speaker 1>and Finn goes, we're looking at a psycho and Kat

0:29:45.080 --> 0:29:47.120
<v Speaker 1>looks like she's about to throw up. She's like new

0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:50.640
<v Speaker 1>guy Pugan in the corner, if you know, Tommy Boy, and.

0:29:51.480 --> 0:29:53.240
<v Speaker 3>She's very disturbed by what she's seeing.

0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:56.440
<v Speaker 1>Security cameras have kids coming in and out of the

0:29:56.440 --> 0:29:58.760
<v Speaker 1>building all night, and half of them are wearing masks,

0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:01.480
<v Speaker 1>not mascarade style, COVID style, so it's like, gonna be

0:30:01.560 --> 0:30:04.920
<v Speaker 1>very hard to like weed this guy out. And Kat's like,

0:30:04.960 --> 0:30:07.160
<v Speaker 1>he had to have left DNA, and Finn's like, yeah,

0:30:07.160 --> 0:30:09.240
<v Speaker 1>but he might not be in the system. Someone this

0:30:09.440 --> 0:30:12.040
<v Speaker 1>fucked up. If they were in the system, they would

0:30:12.080 --> 0:30:14.120
<v Speaker 1>have never let them out. And it's like yeah, but Finn.

0:30:14.200 --> 0:30:17.760
<v Speaker 1>We've seen the system let out dangerous psychos a million times,

0:30:17.840 --> 0:30:20.880
<v Speaker 1>like the Baker Butcher of Alaska. The fucking guy was

0:30:21.000 --> 0:30:23.840
<v Speaker 1>hunting women in the woods of Alaska. He was in

0:30:23.920 --> 0:30:25.920
<v Speaker 1>jail like three times before he went out and did

0:30:25.960 --> 0:30:29.440
<v Speaker 1>all that. So anyway, now we're at the playground, Rollins

0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:33.200
<v Speaker 1>is in mom mode, Jesse is swinging, Little Billy is

0:30:33.320 --> 0:30:36.600
<v Speaker 1>spundled up in a stroller, and Rollin's on the phone

0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:38.920
<v Speaker 1>with her mom talking about how it was your idea

0:30:38.960 --> 0:30:40.720
<v Speaker 1>for dad to move in. You can't call me every

0:30:40.720 --> 0:30:42.680
<v Speaker 1>time he makes a mess, and blah blah blah. So

0:30:43.120 --> 0:30:45.400
<v Speaker 1>Rollins goes, all right, listen, I'll call dad. We'll have

0:30:45.440 --> 0:30:47.840
<v Speaker 1>a family meeting. And I was like, I am RSV

0:30:47.920 --> 0:30:50.479
<v Speaker 1>being a hard no to the Rollins family meeting. Can

0:30:50.520 --> 0:30:54.800
<v Speaker 1>you imagine how psycho that is, just like Amanda.

0:30:54.240 --> 0:30:56.200
<v Speaker 3>And her crazy sister and her crazy mom.

0:30:56.560 --> 0:30:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Dastly Henry would fit right in ight in with Yeah,

0:31:00.240 --> 0:31:02.920
<v Speaker 2>the Rolins family, right, And the dad gets to bring

0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:05.560
<v Speaker 2>his new girlfriend who's like using him for we don't

0:31:05.560 --> 0:31:06.760
<v Speaker 2>know what it would be.

0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:10.440
<v Speaker 3>Does Cariesie get to go, Will Billy and Jesse be there?

0:31:10.440 --> 0:31:11.200
<v Speaker 3>Who's to say?

0:31:11.400 --> 0:31:13.920
<v Speaker 1>So? She gets a call from Live and ditches her mom. Obviously,

0:31:14.000 --> 0:31:16.280
<v Speaker 1>Rollins can't find Jet and she's like, all right, I'll

0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:19.480
<v Speaker 1>meet you right there. Rollins then cannot find Jesse immediately,

0:31:19.520 --> 0:31:21.480
<v Speaker 1>and this is like a nightmare mom scenario that happens

0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:23.240
<v Speaker 1>to me six times a day where I'm just like,

0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:25.760
<v Speaker 1>where's Oscar, Like I can't find it. Like Rosie, I

0:31:25.840 --> 0:31:28.400
<v Speaker 1>kind of always know we'll not do something crazy, but

0:31:28.440 --> 0:31:29.840
<v Speaker 1>Oscar will run into traffic.

0:31:29.960 --> 0:31:32.480
<v Speaker 3>So I have this happen all the time.

0:31:32.800 --> 0:31:36.440
<v Speaker 1>After like five seconds, Jesse appears with a little white dog, Stuffy,

0:31:36.520 --> 0:31:36.800
<v Speaker 1>and she.

0:31:36.800 --> 0:31:38.400
<v Speaker 3>Says, oh, a nice man gave it to me.

0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:41.280
<v Speaker 1>And I don't think we've ever discussed this, but I

0:31:41.280 --> 0:31:44.280
<v Speaker 1>think everybody must know. Jesse is played by twins whose

0:31:44.320 --> 0:31:47.680
<v Speaker 1>names are Charlotte and Vivian Cable, and this is like

0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:50.040
<v Speaker 1>a moment where Jesse has more lines and so I

0:31:50.080 --> 0:31:52.120
<v Speaker 1>wanted to just shout out those little twinsies. They are

0:31:52.200 --> 0:31:54.920
<v Speaker 1>very cute, and Rollins is like very sketched out by

0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:57.239
<v Speaker 1>a random man giving her daughter a toy. And then

0:31:57.320 --> 0:31:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Jesse drops the hammer and goes, yeah, the man told

0:31:59.960 --> 0:32:03.560
<v Speaker 1>me that the puppy's name is Snowball. And Amanda looks

0:32:03.680 --> 0:32:07.280
<v Speaker 1>shook because she's like remembering Snowball from eight years ago

0:32:07.640 --> 0:32:11.000
<v Speaker 1>at Mercy Hospital. Now Libby is awake and talking to Benson.

0:32:11.480 --> 0:32:14.280
<v Speaker 1>You might also remember that this character, Libby Blandon is

0:32:14.400 --> 0:32:17.160
<v Speaker 1>in the beginning of the episode Tangle Strands of Justice.

0:32:17.320 --> 0:32:20.360
<v Speaker 1>Remember she's stealing all those watches from her sugar daddy

0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:23.840
<v Speaker 1>and then a Queen's detective played by Orphe uses her

0:32:24.040 --> 0:32:26.920
<v Speaker 1>DNA from this case to bust her illegally. So if

0:32:26.960 --> 0:32:29.680
<v Speaker 1>you're wondering how do I remember Libby Blandon, this is

0:32:29.680 --> 0:32:32.440
<v Speaker 1>where we first meet her. She explains that this purp

0:32:32.520 --> 0:32:34.720
<v Speaker 1>knocked on her dorm room door, said he was locked out,

0:32:34.800 --> 0:32:36.640
<v Speaker 1>asked to use her cell phone, and so she let

0:32:36.680 --> 0:32:38.440
<v Speaker 1>him in. I thought he was a student. He's the

0:32:38.440 --> 0:32:40.800
<v Speaker 1>same age as me, he knew my name, she says.

0:32:40.800 --> 0:32:42.560
<v Speaker 1>He pulled a knife and said should I cut your

0:32:42.560 --> 0:32:43.920
<v Speaker 1>clothes off or burn them off?

0:32:43.920 --> 0:32:47.160
<v Speaker 3>And she didn't answer him. He just smiled, tied.

0:32:46.960 --> 0:32:50.720
<v Speaker 1>Her up, cut her clothes, sexually assaulted her, bring her

0:32:50.760 --> 0:32:51.480
<v Speaker 1>with cigarettes.

0:32:52.000 --> 0:32:52.040
<v Speaker 3>Ugh.

0:32:52.480 --> 0:32:54.280
<v Speaker 2>When I first saw this, I thought it was going

0:32:54.360 --> 0:32:56.440
<v Speaker 2>to be two crimes. Like I feel like a fool.

0:32:56.640 --> 0:32:58.280
<v Speaker 2>I totally thought it was going to be like two

0:32:58.400 --> 0:33:01.040
<v Speaker 2>Dueling crimes. Like I was really, even though I've seen

0:33:01.080 --> 0:33:03.800
<v Speaker 2>this episode before, I was like shocked it was him. Yeah,

0:33:03.920 --> 0:33:04.480
<v Speaker 2>this is a I.

0:33:04.480 --> 0:33:07.080
<v Speaker 1>Mean, this episode's delivered like two this podcast had started

0:33:07.080 --> 0:33:09.520
<v Speaker 1>when this episode aired. This is like an episode.

0:33:09.880 --> 0:33:11.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:33:11.440 --> 0:33:15.240
<v Speaker 1>So he she says he choked her until she'd almost

0:33:15.240 --> 0:33:17.840
<v Speaker 1>pass out. So this guy's like very much torturing her

0:33:17.880 --> 0:33:20.200
<v Speaker 1>for fun. And then before he left, he asked for

0:33:20.240 --> 0:33:22.520
<v Speaker 1>her debit card on the code. Then he came back

0:33:22.520 --> 0:33:24.840
<v Speaker 1>and took one of her stuffed animals, and Rollins is

0:33:24.880 --> 0:33:28.360
<v Speaker 1>like it wasn't a white dog, was it, and like, yeah, bitch,

0:33:28.400 --> 0:33:30.760
<v Speaker 1>it actually was. She shows a picture because she has

0:33:30.800 --> 0:33:33.800
<v Speaker 1>a picture of the stuffy on her phone and Libby goes, yeah,

0:33:33.800 --> 0:33:37.000
<v Speaker 1>that's Daisy, and so I guess her stuffed animals named Daisy.

0:33:37.440 --> 0:33:39.040
<v Speaker 1>And then a nurse comes in to bring Libby to

0:33:39.080 --> 0:33:41.520
<v Speaker 1>surgery and Lives talking to Rollins and Lives like, what

0:33:41.600 --> 0:33:44.080
<v Speaker 1>the hell what's up with the stuffed animal? And Rollins

0:33:44.120 --> 0:33:47.480
<v Speaker 1>is like, here's the whole story, and Lives immediately panicked

0:33:47.520 --> 0:33:49.880
<v Speaker 1>and she's like and Rollins says, don't worry. The girls

0:33:49.880 --> 0:33:51.680
<v Speaker 1>are with my mom, and Livy is like, I'm sending

0:33:51.720 --> 0:33:54.880
<v Speaker 1>an officer anyway. Rollins is like, this can't be a coincidence, right,

0:33:54.880 --> 0:33:57.840
<v Speaker 1>and lives like, there's no way. Henry Mesterer must still

0:33:57.880 --> 0:33:59.920
<v Speaker 1>be locked up, And It's like it's pretty simple math.

0:34:00.040 --> 0:34:02.280
<v Speaker 1>He was ten, it's been eight years. He's out, and

0:34:02.400 --> 0:34:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Rollins is like, let's make some calls. Finn has a

0:34:05.040 --> 0:34:07.000
<v Speaker 1>hit on the debit card and lives like, be careful.

0:34:07.080 --> 0:34:09.239
<v Speaker 1>This guy knows who we are, so now we're in

0:34:09.280 --> 0:34:10.960
<v Speaker 1>Cooper Square and guess who we.

0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:12.120
<v Speaker 3>Are fucking talking to.

0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:16.080
<v Speaker 1>It's Keys, the guy from Wednesday's Child who has all

0:34:16.080 --> 0:34:18.920
<v Speaker 1>the sets of keys and moves everybody's cars.

0:34:19.239 --> 0:34:20.359
<v Speaker 3>We just talked to him.

0:34:20.400 --> 0:34:22.880
<v Speaker 1>We just met this character like four episodes ago on

0:34:22.920 --> 0:34:26.000
<v Speaker 1>our podcast, not in the run of the show, and

0:34:26.080 --> 0:34:29.960
<v Speaker 1>he's played by Andre de heartbreaking because I would have

0:34:30.000 --> 0:34:32.839
<v Speaker 1>loved to try to get Andre Deshields, you know, but.

0:34:34.719 --> 0:34:35.520
<v Speaker 3>It happens.

0:34:35.880 --> 0:34:38.480
<v Speaker 2>We do love keys, We do love keys, and you

0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:40.640
<v Speaker 2>know Andrea Shields. And I will say it again, even

0:34:40.680 --> 0:34:43.400
<v Speaker 2>though I said in the other episode his Tony Award

0:34:43.440 --> 0:34:45.880
<v Speaker 2>winning speech is very inspirational and if you need a

0:34:45.920 --> 0:34:48.520
<v Speaker 2>boost in your spirit, I would watch it.

0:34:49.280 --> 0:34:52.160
<v Speaker 1>And I know we have our casting mole that listens.

0:34:52.200 --> 0:34:54.200
<v Speaker 1>Let's get Andre to Shields in season twenty.

0:34:53.920 --> 0:34:56.000
<v Speaker 3>Five when things pick back up, Let's get him.

0:34:55.840 --> 0:35:00.000
<v Speaker 1>On yeah, bigger portion. In Key, something happened Keys Whitnest.

0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:00.640
<v Speaker 3>This is a crime.

0:35:00.719 --> 0:35:03.600
<v Speaker 1>Let's get Keys like, actually, you know most of he's

0:35:03.640 --> 0:35:06.680
<v Speaker 1>all been circumstantial here, but basically what happens here is

0:35:06.680 --> 0:35:08.799
<v Speaker 1>he goes, why are you messing with Keys again? Which

0:35:08.840 --> 0:35:11.520
<v Speaker 1>I love because we're supposed to like remember Keys from

0:35:12.000 --> 0:35:14.960
<v Speaker 1>multiple seasons ago. And Finn's like, you used a stolen

0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:16.960
<v Speaker 1>debit card last night, and he's like, I didn't hurt anyone.

0:35:17.000 --> 0:35:18.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm just trying to survive. And the guy's like, he

0:35:18.880 --> 0:35:20.680
<v Speaker 1>only let me have fifty bucks. I'll give it back.

0:35:20.760 --> 0:35:22.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't want anything to do with that guy, and

0:35:22.440 --> 0:35:23.719
<v Speaker 1>he says he ain't right.

0:35:24.200 --> 0:35:27.600
<v Speaker 2>So this guy and Keys Knowskes has been in this

0:35:27.880 --> 0:35:29.240
<v Speaker 2>city for the decade.

0:35:29.400 --> 0:35:32.760
<v Speaker 1>Keys meets all kinds and if someone's freaking out Keys,

0:35:32.880 --> 0:35:33.800
<v Speaker 1>this guy is freaky.

0:35:34.280 --> 0:35:36.640
<v Speaker 3>So he goes. This guy had me use the ATM

0:35:36.719 --> 0:35:37.640
<v Speaker 3>takeout cash.

0:35:37.440 --> 0:35:39.080
<v Speaker 1>And then made me go buy quote a bunch of

0:35:39.120 --> 0:35:43.240
<v Speaker 1>crazy stuff at the hardware store, zip ties, rope, duct tape, oh,

0:35:43.280 --> 0:35:44.520
<v Speaker 1>and a hand torch.

0:35:45.239 --> 0:35:45.520
<v Speaker 3>Cool.

0:35:46.000 --> 0:35:48.320
<v Speaker 1>This guy obviously has a thing for fire and burning,

0:35:48.440 --> 0:35:53.080
<v Speaker 1>as we've established. At the hospital, Rollins is calling around,

0:35:53.120 --> 0:35:55.200
<v Speaker 1>but it's a Saturday. No one will tell her where

0:35:55.200 --> 0:35:57.840
<v Speaker 1>the fuck Henry Messer is or acting like it's confidentiality,

0:35:57.960 --> 0:36:00.560
<v Speaker 1>like they it feels like it would be public record

0:36:00.600 --> 0:36:02.839
<v Speaker 1>that he was released into the public, but I don't know.

0:36:03.280 --> 0:36:06.960
<v Speaker 1>In walks Libby's mother, doctor Blandon, played by Margaret Reid,

0:36:07.120 --> 0:36:12.600
<v Speaker 1>who also played defense attorney Felicia Chatham in the episode's Debt, Charisma,

0:36:12.719 --> 0:36:15.640
<v Speaker 1>and Stranger, which are all episodes we've covered on this podcast.

0:36:16.280 --> 0:36:18.759
<v Speaker 1>So it turns out that the mom is an adolescent

0:36:18.800 --> 0:36:22.400
<v Speaker 1>psychologist specializing in violent behavior, so she knows that whoever

0:36:22.440 --> 0:36:25.120
<v Speaker 1>did this is a psychopath, and Rollins is like, okay, well,

0:36:25.120 --> 0:36:28.719
<v Speaker 1>now we are definitely not in coincidence territory anymore. Does

0:36:28.719 --> 0:36:31.520
<v Speaker 1>the name Henry Messner ring any psycho bells for you?

0:36:31.920 --> 0:36:34.480
<v Speaker 1>And she's like, I haven't seen Henry in five years,

0:36:35.000 --> 0:36:38.080
<v Speaker 1>And she says she was the one that told him

0:36:38.080 --> 0:36:40.840
<v Speaker 1>that his mother had died, and they go, did you

0:36:40.880 --> 0:36:42.200
<v Speaker 1>ever tell Henry about your daughter?

0:36:42.239 --> 0:36:42.520
<v Speaker 3>Libby?

0:36:42.520 --> 0:36:45.120
<v Speaker 1>And she goes sometimes to get patients to open up,

0:36:45.239 --> 0:36:47.600
<v Speaker 1>Please don't tell me they've released him and then live

0:36:47.600 --> 0:36:50.640
<v Speaker 1>in Rolins share a look. So now at the Messner's home,

0:36:51.120 --> 0:36:55.000
<v Speaker 1>they're banging on the door. No one's answering. Neighbors haven't

0:36:55.000 --> 0:36:57.320
<v Speaker 1>seen hide er hair of these people since yesterday.

0:36:57.760 --> 0:36:58.480
<v Speaker 3>They bust in.

0:36:59.080 --> 0:37:02.640
<v Speaker 1>It's a mess, shit smashed. There is blood splattered everywhere.

0:37:03.360 --> 0:37:05.799
<v Speaker 1>Pretty quickly, we see the legs of a little boy

0:37:05.880 --> 0:37:08.000
<v Speaker 1>in a pool of blood, which is fucked up like

0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:10.759
<v Speaker 1>we have not seen that many times. And this is

0:37:10.800 --> 0:37:13.920
<v Speaker 1>like a five year old boy. Cat looks terrified, like

0:37:14.000 --> 0:37:16.080
<v Speaker 1>she looks truly. I don't know what episode this is

0:37:16.120 --> 0:37:18.960
<v Speaker 1>for Cat, but she's look, Oh god, this is not

0:37:19.040 --> 0:37:21.759
<v Speaker 1>what I'm used to I forgot what department she came from,

0:37:21.760 --> 0:37:23.400
<v Speaker 1>but I don't think it was dead little boys in

0:37:23.440 --> 0:37:25.919
<v Speaker 1>a pool of blood. So Amanda finds the step mom

0:37:25.960 --> 0:37:29.480
<v Speaker 1>in the kitchen, murdered. Wait this whole time I was away,

0:37:29.840 --> 0:37:31.680
<v Speaker 1>did you ever watch mob Wives? No?

0:37:32.160 --> 0:37:33.640
<v Speaker 3>Do you know who Big Anne is? Though?

0:37:34.040 --> 0:37:37.200
<v Speaker 1>Of course? Okay, so Big Ann rest in peace. There's

0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:39.760
<v Speaker 1>an amazing clip of her going around where she's talking

0:37:39.760 --> 0:37:42.359
<v Speaker 1>to somebody about a new guy she's dating. She goes, well,

0:37:42.400 --> 0:37:46.560
<v Speaker 1>he just got out off to twenty five years for murder. Anyway,

0:37:46.640 --> 0:37:49.600
<v Speaker 1>he's buying me a puppy, and it's like the funniest clip,

0:37:49.680 --> 0:37:51.600
<v Speaker 1>and we just played it with my siblings and we

0:37:51.680 --> 0:37:53.480
<v Speaker 1>just kept going for murder.

0:37:53.800 --> 0:37:55.799
<v Speaker 3>So when I was when I was.

0:37:55.760 --> 0:37:58.840
<v Speaker 1>Writing this, I wrote, the mom Stepmom's in the kitchen, murdered.

0:37:59.520 --> 0:38:02.239
<v Speaker 1>The dad is dead, face down in what looks like

0:38:02.280 --> 0:38:07.080
<v Speaker 1>a very elaborate breakfast spread. And then Kat goes there's

0:38:07.120 --> 0:38:09.680
<v Speaker 1>another body and lives like, well, the sister would be thirteen,

0:38:09.719 --> 0:38:11.960
<v Speaker 1>and Cat's like no, this is a little boy like five,

0:38:12.480 --> 0:38:14.720
<v Speaker 1>and they're like, okay, this guy is on a spree

0:38:14.800 --> 0:38:15.839
<v Speaker 1>and it started here.

0:38:16.520 --> 0:38:18.080
<v Speaker 3>So the bodies are.

0:38:18.160 --> 0:38:19.440
<v Speaker 1>We find out at the top of AC two that

0:38:19.480 --> 0:38:21.560
<v Speaker 1>the bodies are out of rigor. Time of death is

0:38:21.600 --> 0:38:24.560
<v Speaker 1>within forty eight hours. So basically the timeline is, he

0:38:24.680 --> 0:38:28.239
<v Speaker 1>murders his whole family Friday morning, assaults Libby Friday night.

0:38:28.680 --> 0:38:31.799
<v Speaker 1>On Saturday morning, he goes to the park where he

0:38:32.520 --> 0:38:35.840
<v Speaker 1>approaches Jesse. Also, the gun safe in the house is

0:38:35.880 --> 0:38:38.160
<v Speaker 1>wide open and empty, so now this kid is armed,

0:38:38.160 --> 0:38:40.120
<v Speaker 1>and we have no idea how many even fucking guns

0:38:40.120 --> 0:38:43.239
<v Speaker 1>this dad had, so who knows how dangerous this kid is.

0:38:43.680 --> 0:38:46.799
<v Speaker 1>Benson gets a call Ruby is alive, and she goes, oh,

0:38:46.840 --> 0:38:48.920
<v Speaker 1>thank god, she was staying at a friend's house in

0:38:49.000 --> 0:38:52.319
<v Speaker 1>Oyster Bay, and Rollin goes, yeah, but now we have

0:38:52.360 --> 0:38:54.160
<v Speaker 1>to tell a thirteen year old that her whole family's

0:38:54.200 --> 0:38:57.879
<v Speaker 1>been murdered, and Benson's like, right, I forgot, Yes, that's true.

0:38:57.920 --> 0:39:00.200
<v Speaker 1>We do have to do that, and then they do

0:39:00.239 --> 0:39:02.799
<v Speaker 1>a quick shot of a tiny body bag before we

0:39:02.840 --> 0:39:06.200
<v Speaker 1>head over to Oyster Bay. Ruby is with her friend

0:39:06.640 --> 0:39:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Charlotte and her friend's mom, Megan, and the detectives have

0:39:09.560 --> 0:39:12.080
<v Speaker 1>already broken the news, like Ruby's crying, and they're like, okay,

0:39:12.080 --> 0:39:13.839
<v Speaker 1>we need to talk to Ruby alone. So the friend

0:39:13.840 --> 0:39:15.719
<v Speaker 1>and the mom walk away with Cat. But the mom

0:39:15.800 --> 0:39:18.480
<v Speaker 1>is like, I definitely don't want to be a target

0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:19.760
<v Speaker 1>for a serial killing psychopath.

0:39:19.800 --> 0:39:20.840
<v Speaker 3>Are we supposed to be worried?

0:39:21.120 --> 0:39:23.200
<v Speaker 1>Cat's like, no, worry, there's gonna be a twenty four

0:39:23.200 --> 0:39:26.640
<v Speaker 1>to seven police presence outside. Don't leave the house. And

0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:29.000
<v Speaker 1>the mom is like, listen, I was friends with Holly,

0:39:29.080 --> 0:39:32.040
<v Speaker 1>the stepmom. She was terrified of Henry. She tried to

0:39:32.080 --> 0:39:34.759
<v Speaker 1>tell Tom, and honestly, the dad is to blame for

0:39:34.880 --> 0:39:37.640
<v Speaker 1>all of this, Like the dad never thought he should

0:39:37.640 --> 0:39:39.920
<v Speaker 1>be sent away. And then the dad's like, after eight years,

0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:42.240
<v Speaker 1>he's fixed, Let's bring him home and bring him around

0:39:42.239 --> 0:39:45.400
<v Speaker 1>my tiny son. Who how could that kid? How could

0:39:45.680 --> 0:39:48.200
<v Speaker 1>any kid would feel a little bit replaced? Like I

0:39:48.239 --> 0:39:49.960
<v Speaker 1>got sent away for eight years and you had another

0:39:50.000 --> 0:39:52.840
<v Speaker 1>boy when I was gone, Like, and you're just gonna

0:39:52.880 --> 0:39:53.960
<v Speaker 1>let him be in the house.

0:39:54.440 --> 0:39:55.360
<v Speaker 3>It's so crazy.

0:39:56.160 --> 0:39:59.560
<v Speaker 1>And it's also weird because they pammed to the stepmom

0:39:59.719 --> 0:40:01.839
<v Speaker 1>in and she had like a big smile on her face,

0:40:01.880 --> 0:40:04.080
<v Speaker 1>like they were putting on a show for court. But

0:40:04.160 --> 0:40:06.200
<v Speaker 1>to her friends, she's like, this kid terrifies me, and

0:40:06.200 --> 0:40:09.319
<v Speaker 1>I don't really want him in my house. Kat wonders, Oh,

0:40:09.400 --> 0:40:11.360
<v Speaker 1>is that why he had a gun? And Holly was

0:40:11.400 --> 0:40:14.319
<v Speaker 1>like Tom thought they just needed to show Henry enough

0:40:14.400 --> 0:40:17.160
<v Speaker 1>love and he'd be fine, but Holly insisted on protection.

0:40:17.800 --> 0:40:20.440
<v Speaker 1>But they also had a gun before in earlier in

0:40:20.480 --> 0:40:22.680
<v Speaker 1>the season fourteen episodes, so I don't really know what

0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:25.840
<v Speaker 1>the point of this conversation is. Rollins is talking to Ruby,

0:40:26.000 --> 0:40:29.279
<v Speaker 1>who is played by Maxine Wanderer, who was very young

0:40:29.320 --> 0:40:32.160
<v Speaker 1>but recently did three episodes of Chicago Fire. So Dick

0:40:32.200 --> 0:40:35.759
<v Speaker 1>Wolf sees the potential and she's sad about her little brother.

0:40:35.840 --> 0:40:37.640
<v Speaker 1>She's like, ur low, he was just a little boy,

0:40:38.120 --> 0:40:40.640
<v Speaker 1>and she says Henry hated him, he was so jealous

0:40:40.640 --> 0:40:42.520
<v Speaker 1>of him. She says the last time she talked to

0:40:42.560 --> 0:40:45.040
<v Speaker 1>Henry was Friday, she left early for school. While the

0:40:45.080 --> 0:40:47.440
<v Speaker 1>rest of the family was having breakfast. Henry and his

0:40:47.520 --> 0:40:49.560
<v Speaker 1>dad were fighting because the dad wanted Henry to get

0:40:49.600 --> 0:40:51.680
<v Speaker 1>a job, to do something anything.

0:40:52.320 --> 0:40:52.960
<v Speaker 3>Well, what happened.

0:40:53.000 --> 0:40:56.960
<v Speaker 2>He was like pretty quick, like I don't understand why

0:40:57.080 --> 0:40:59.040
<v Speaker 2>you need to force this kid to have a job.

0:40:59.080 --> 0:40:59.960
<v Speaker 3>He's obviously trouble.

0:41:00.239 --> 0:41:02.600
<v Speaker 2>Like, can he just not have a process, Like he's

0:41:02.640 --> 0:41:04.319
<v Speaker 2>been locked away for eight years, he can't have a

0:41:04.320 --> 0:41:08.560
<v Speaker 2>moment to Breathe totally agree, And I think it's absolutely

0:41:08.600 --> 0:41:11.840
<v Speaker 2>because of this dad being a lot like the dad

0:41:11.880 --> 0:41:13.560
<v Speaker 2>in like the Pika episode or a lot of these

0:41:13.600 --> 0:41:16.279
<v Speaker 2>other episodes where they're like, everything's fine, everything's fine, You're

0:41:16.320 --> 0:41:18.200
<v Speaker 2>a normal eighteen year old, Go get a job, like

0:41:18.280 --> 0:41:20.120
<v Speaker 2>that's yeah, exactly, Like he's not.

0:41:20.920 --> 0:41:23.040
<v Speaker 3>What would he do? I mean, I don't know. I

0:41:23.040 --> 0:41:23.920
<v Speaker 3>feel like he needs a lot.

0:41:24.040 --> 0:41:26.080
<v Speaker 2>You take him to the zoo first, take him to

0:41:26.080 --> 0:41:27.839
<v Speaker 2>the beach. Why don't you just like work on your

0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:31.400
<v Speaker 2>familial love and relationship, take a week off work? You

0:41:31.440 --> 0:41:38.680
<v Speaker 2>amtrak freak, like, I just this dad is outside of

0:41:38.719 --> 0:41:40.920
<v Speaker 2>the ones that abuse and murder is my least favorite.

0:41:40.960 --> 0:41:43.160
<v Speaker 2>He is the worst dad of yeah, the whole or

0:41:43.320 --> 0:41:46.759
<v Speaker 2>you know who the episode popular that Dad's Bad where

0:41:46.800 --> 0:41:49.560
<v Speaker 2>he's like happy that his daughter got raped instead of

0:41:49.560 --> 0:41:51.440
<v Speaker 2>being a slut, because then it's not her fault.

0:41:52.000 --> 0:41:54.399
<v Speaker 3>That was a bad dad. Oh yeah, a couple bad dads.

0:41:54.840 --> 0:41:57.200
<v Speaker 2>These two dads should go have a fucking meeting in

0:41:57.239 --> 0:41:57.880
<v Speaker 2>hell together.

0:41:58.160 --> 0:42:00.000
<v Speaker 3>Fuck yeah.

0:42:00.200 --> 0:42:03.440
<v Speaker 1>So rollins or somebody asks, well, what has he been

0:42:03.520 --> 0:42:07.319
<v Speaker 1>up to? And the friend Charlotte is like, he's been

0:42:07.320 --> 0:42:10.280
<v Speaker 1>bragging to Ruby about taking driving lessons, and the mom

0:42:10.360 --> 0:42:12.359
<v Speaker 1>is like, Holly didn't like that. She liked it better

0:42:12.360 --> 0:42:14.120
<v Speaker 1>when he just stayed in his room for days playing

0:42:14.200 --> 0:42:16.640
<v Speaker 1>video games. At least like she knew where he was

0:42:16.800 --> 0:42:19.480
<v Speaker 1>and like he wasn't hurting anybody. Ruby says, they could

0:42:19.480 --> 0:42:21.319
<v Speaker 1>hear him talking through the wall in the headset, but

0:42:21.360 --> 0:42:23.880
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't have any friends. The only kids knew are

0:42:23.920 --> 0:42:27.120
<v Speaker 1>from the facility, and he had nobody else, so they

0:42:27.160 --> 0:42:28.120
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't have let him out.

0:42:28.200 --> 0:42:30.440
<v Speaker 3>Ruby says, why did they? Great question?

0:42:30.680 --> 0:42:34.040
<v Speaker 1>So now we're at the Heslin Juvenile Psychiatric Facility in Yonkers.

0:42:34.040 --> 0:42:35.960
<v Speaker 1>So he didn't make it to Vermont. He's somewhere local

0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:40.360
<v Speaker 1>doctor Mackie. We're talking to her, Henry's BFF, and she's like,

0:42:40.400 --> 0:42:43.640
<v Speaker 1>this is every psychiatrist's worst nightmare. For five years, we

0:42:43.680 --> 0:42:46.640
<v Speaker 1>gave him the tools to get better. His family petitioned

0:42:46.640 --> 0:42:48.959
<v Speaker 1>for his release. He demonstrated he was no longer a threat.

0:42:49.000 --> 0:42:51.440
<v Speaker 1>He passed all the exams, he had a perfect record.

0:42:51.560 --> 0:42:54.840
<v Speaker 1>The family said they'd care for him. Three psychiatrists, including me,

0:42:55.000 --> 0:42:57.360
<v Speaker 1>testified on his behalf, like what else could we have done?

0:42:57.719 --> 0:43:00.000
<v Speaker 1>When she met him, she thought he'd turned his life round,

0:43:00.320 --> 0:43:02.160
<v Speaker 1>cause I guess when she got there he was already

0:43:02.320 --> 0:43:04.480
<v Speaker 1>in treatment there and Rollins.

0:43:04.120 --> 0:43:05.640
<v Speaker 3>Is like, but have you heard the theory?

0:43:05.760 --> 0:43:07.920
<v Speaker 1>Like this is a classic Rowlins where I think this

0:43:08.000 --> 0:43:09.959
<v Speaker 1>is what makes Melinda annoyed with her, where she acts

0:43:10.000 --> 0:43:12.040
<v Speaker 1>like she's an expert more than people that are experts.

0:43:12.320 --> 0:43:13.959
<v Speaker 1>She's like, but have you heard the theory that group

0:43:14.000 --> 0:43:16.440
<v Speaker 1>therapy is ineffective for psychopaths because it just helps them

0:43:16.520 --> 0:43:20.320
<v Speaker 1>learn how to fake being mentally healthy. And she's like, yes, Rowins,

0:43:20.320 --> 0:43:22.879
<v Speaker 1>I'm aware, and I've looked for that. And she says,

0:43:23.000 --> 0:43:25.840
<v Speaker 1>no one has ever fooled me. And an entire staff before.

0:43:26.640 --> 0:43:29.840
<v Speaker 1>So basically, this kid spent eight years learning how to

0:43:29.880 --> 0:43:32.839
<v Speaker 1>appear completely sane. And the doctor's like, yeah, that's what

0:43:32.840 --> 0:43:35.440
<v Speaker 1>it looks like. They said, he has one friend in

0:43:35.480 --> 0:43:39.600
<v Speaker 1>this place, let's go talk to him. So they're talking

0:43:39.600 --> 0:43:42.000
<v Speaker 1>to this kid, and he talked about being angry with Holly,

0:43:42.080 --> 0:43:44.400
<v Speaker 1>his stepmom, and said, and then he goes, hate and

0:43:44.480 --> 0:43:47.000
<v Speaker 1>anger are not productive emotions, so you can sort of

0:43:47.080 --> 0:43:50.120
<v Speaker 1>tell this kid's also just like repeating back what parents

0:43:50.120 --> 0:43:52.080
<v Speaker 1>want to hear and what people want to hear. No

0:43:52.160 --> 0:43:54.040
<v Speaker 1>idea where Henry is, he said, He goes, he left

0:43:54.080 --> 0:43:55.400
<v Speaker 1>me a note when he got out, but and he

0:43:55.440 --> 0:43:57.520
<v Speaker 1>puts some money in my commissary, but I would have

0:43:57.600 --> 0:43:59.479
<v Speaker 1>no idea where that letter even is. And he's painting

0:43:59.520 --> 0:44:02.560
<v Speaker 1>a bird house and Rollins is like, bro, I'm going

0:44:02.640 --> 0:44:04.120
<v Speaker 1>to testify that you ate it in a bed at

0:44:04.120 --> 0:44:05.960
<v Speaker 1>a serial killer if you don't start spilling, and the

0:44:06.000 --> 0:44:08.960
<v Speaker 1>guy's like, I don't know, and Finn goes take a

0:44:09.000 --> 0:44:13.520
<v Speaker 1>guess and suddenly well and also yeah, Rollins is like,

0:44:13.560 --> 0:44:14.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna cut your time in half.

0:44:14.719 --> 0:44:15.920
<v Speaker 3>You're never gonna get out of here. And he's like,

0:44:16.000 --> 0:44:16.600
<v Speaker 3>that's not fair.

0:44:16.640 --> 0:44:18.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm not the same as Henry, and so Finn's like,

0:44:19.040 --> 0:44:21.279
<v Speaker 1>take a guess, and suddenly this guy has tons of info.

0:44:21.360 --> 0:44:24.080
<v Speaker 1>He goes, maybe check with my older sister Cora. They

0:44:24.080 --> 0:44:27.000
<v Speaker 1>hooked up on a visit here once, and Cora always

0:44:27.000 --> 0:44:29.000
<v Speaker 1>reminds me of the Woman and the Poor Woman in

0:44:29.040 --> 0:44:32.280
<v Speaker 1>the Dean Kine episode. So now we're at Cora's apartment.

0:44:32.520 --> 0:44:35.200
<v Speaker 1>Music is blaring, live a cat and a team bust

0:44:35.280 --> 0:44:35.839
<v Speaker 1>the door down.

0:44:35.920 --> 0:44:36.520
<v Speaker 3>No one's there.

0:44:36.800 --> 0:44:39.200
<v Speaker 1>But then one second later Cora comes home and is like,

0:44:39.200 --> 0:44:41.200
<v Speaker 1>what the hell And they're like down on the ground,

0:44:41.560 --> 0:44:43.800
<v Speaker 1>and she's on the ground with like a very wild,

0:44:43.920 --> 0:44:46.960
<v Speaker 1>multi level haircut, and she's like, they're like, is Henry

0:44:46.960 --> 0:44:50.400
<v Speaker 1>Messner here? And she goes, yeah, he's my boyfriend. And

0:44:50.440 --> 0:44:53.080
<v Speaker 1>then they start going through his like meticulously folded piles

0:44:53.120 --> 0:44:54.680
<v Speaker 1>of clothes and she goes, don't go through his stuff.

0:44:54.680 --> 0:44:56.880
<v Speaker 3>He doesn't like that. Don't you need a warrant? And

0:44:56.920 --> 0:44:59.640
<v Speaker 3>lives like, bitch, your boyfriend is armed and dangerous.

0:45:00.000 --> 0:45:01.400
<v Speaker 1>She goes, He's not how you think he is. He's

0:45:01.440 --> 0:45:05.080
<v Speaker 1>a gentle soul. His demons are gone. Okay, we'll see.

0:45:05.360 --> 0:45:08.239
<v Speaker 1>So now Cora is an interrogation wood and blinds not

0:45:08.320 --> 0:45:12.080
<v Speaker 1>bars and concrete, and she says, Henry just needs to

0:45:12.160 --> 0:45:14.600
<v Speaker 1>breathe without people all up in his grill. He needs

0:45:14.640 --> 0:45:17.160
<v Speaker 1>some time. And she tells them that he likes to

0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:18.640
<v Speaker 1>be by the water, he likes to go to the

0:45:18.680 --> 0:45:21.120
<v Speaker 1>park and watch kids play, and that he was at

0:45:21.160 --> 0:45:23.120
<v Speaker 1>morning Side Park yesterday and they're like, how do you

0:45:23.160 --> 0:45:25.239
<v Speaker 1>know that? She goes whatever. He takes pictures on his phone.

0:45:25.320 --> 0:45:27.480
<v Speaker 1>They upload to the cloud, so now they're like, give

0:45:27.560 --> 0:45:29.239
<v Speaker 1>us your phone. They go through, They go to the

0:45:29.239 --> 0:45:32.279
<v Speaker 1>phone and fuck, there's pictures of Jesse and there are

0:45:32.400 --> 0:45:34.799
<v Speaker 1>pictures of Ruby at the house in Oyster Bay, which

0:45:34.840 --> 0:45:36.600
<v Speaker 1>means he's been like watching her and stalking her and

0:45:36.640 --> 0:45:38.799
<v Speaker 1>knows where she is. They're like, fuck, get to the

0:45:38.800 --> 0:45:41.200
<v Speaker 1>house and let's alert the parents. The mom is not

0:45:41.280 --> 0:45:43.400
<v Speaker 1>answering her cell and when they get there, the volvo

0:45:43.520 --> 0:45:46.759
<v Speaker 1>is gone. So there's a police department from like the

0:45:46.800 --> 0:45:50.239
<v Speaker 1>local Oyster Bay PD. There's a car outside but no

0:45:50.320 --> 0:45:53.080
<v Speaker 1>cop in it, and then another local cop rolls up

0:45:53.080 --> 0:45:56.200
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, what's the big deal and they're like, what,

0:45:56.280 --> 0:45:58.800
<v Speaker 1>where the fuck is your guy? Like we have somebody

0:45:58.840 --> 0:46:00.600
<v Speaker 1>on the loose, and they're like, he goes there was

0:46:00.640 --> 0:46:01.600
<v Speaker 1>a bomb scare at.

0:46:01.480 --> 0:46:02.880
<v Speaker 3>The mall all units.

0:46:03.000 --> 0:46:05.080
<v Speaker 1>So now the cop car is there, but where's the

0:46:05.120 --> 0:46:08.799
<v Speaker 1>cop They popped the trunk. He's in there alive, Thank god.

0:46:08.880 --> 0:46:11.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't know why Henry wouldn't just stab him for shits,

0:46:11.800 --> 0:46:14.200
<v Speaker 1>but he's zip tied and duct taped the house down.

0:46:14.920 --> 0:46:17.759
<v Speaker 3>He obviously I don't know, but also how embarrassing.

0:46:17.800 --> 0:46:20.520
<v Speaker 2>You're a grown ass cop and the kid without hurting

0:46:20.560 --> 0:46:22.560
<v Speaker 2>you or injuring you, got you tied up.

0:46:23.080 --> 0:46:24.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess he has a bunch of guns,

0:46:24.800 --> 0:46:28.880
<v Speaker 1>but like, how did this like teen outsmart and overpower

0:46:28.920 --> 0:46:32.240
<v Speaker 1>a cop. It's very confusing. So now they answer the house.

0:46:32.320 --> 0:46:33.920
<v Speaker 1>The mom is on the ground of the kitchen. It

0:46:34.080 --> 0:46:37.200
<v Speaker 1>very much echoes when they found Holly, who was found

0:46:37.239 --> 0:46:39.560
<v Speaker 1>dead in the kitchen, and the woman looks pretty dead.

0:46:39.600 --> 0:46:43.600
<v Speaker 1>But Rollins finds a pulse upstairs. Cat here's screaming and

0:46:43.640 --> 0:46:46.360
<v Speaker 1>it's Charlotte Ruby's friend who's like tied up in the shower,

0:46:47.200 --> 0:46:49.600
<v Speaker 1>and she says it was Henry. Henry took Ruby and

0:46:49.640 --> 0:46:51.719
<v Speaker 1>he said he wanted to go on a ride. And

0:46:51.719 --> 0:46:54.760
<v Speaker 1>then Rollin's is talking to Thin and just out of nowhere,

0:46:54.920 --> 0:46:59.480
<v Speaker 1>just Rollin's intuition goes, maybe a ride isn't a car ride?

0:46:59.760 --> 0:47:01.560
<v Speaker 1>Are there any amusement parks nearby?

0:47:02.480 --> 0:47:03.080
<v Speaker 3>Huge jump?

0:47:03.160 --> 0:47:05.439
<v Speaker 1>Not sure how Rollins figured that out, but here we are.

0:47:05.680 --> 0:47:08.120
<v Speaker 1>They pull up to this closed amusement park and boom.

0:47:08.120 --> 0:47:11.360
<v Speaker 1>The Volvos parked right outside the amusement park is locked,

0:47:11.640 --> 0:47:13.759
<v Speaker 1>but they could have easily squeezed through the gate. There's

0:47:13.800 --> 0:47:15.719
<v Speaker 1>like give in the lock on the gate. Everyone is

0:47:15.760 --> 0:47:19.520
<v Speaker 1>searching this place for Henry. Rollins spots a fun house

0:47:19.560 --> 0:47:22.359
<v Speaker 1>and once again has serial killer intuition and just knows

0:47:22.360 --> 0:47:24.759
<v Speaker 1>that he might be in there. So Finn goes wait

0:47:24.840 --> 0:47:28.000
<v Speaker 1>on backup, and Amanda's like right, And then Amanda, Queen

0:47:28.040 --> 0:47:30.000
<v Speaker 1>of bad Decisions, is like, I'm just gonna pop into

0:47:30.040 --> 0:47:31.120
<v Speaker 1>the fun house by myself.

0:47:31.600 --> 0:47:33.640
<v Speaker 3>And so now she's in a witch wil.

0:47:34.120 --> 0:47:37.400
<v Speaker 2>I know this is TV. Obviously they have to enter alone.

0:47:37.560 --> 0:47:39.320
<v Speaker 2>They of course they're not going to wait for backup.

0:47:39.440 --> 0:47:42.480
<v Speaker 2>They are heroes. But a fun house is the number

0:47:42.480 --> 0:47:45.440
<v Speaker 2>one worst place, Like I can't imagine a worst place

0:47:45.719 --> 0:47:48.239
<v Speaker 2>it is, And it's also not as funny as the

0:47:48.280 --> 0:47:51.960
<v Speaker 2>haunted house that like Finn and Munch went in roy

0:47:52.000 --> 0:47:56.400
<v Speaker 2>Pace and that was like funny, Like this is truly

0:47:56.880 --> 0:47:59.359
<v Speaker 2>like from the movie US, Like, I don't get out

0:47:59.400 --> 0:47:59.680
<v Speaker 2>of there.

0:47:59.880 --> 0:48:02.400
<v Speaker 1>I know it is truly from the movie Else, like

0:48:02.800 --> 0:48:04.400
<v Speaker 1>why would you go into a fun house which is

0:48:04.440 --> 0:48:08.000
<v Speaker 1>just known for being mirrors, corners, nooks where people can

0:48:08.080 --> 0:48:11.320
<v Speaker 1>hide and jump out at any moment, literally the worst.

0:48:11.600 --> 0:48:12.719
<v Speaker 3>So she's in there.

0:48:12.760 --> 0:48:14.759
<v Speaker 1>I remember watching this when it first came out and

0:48:14.800 --> 0:48:16.919
<v Speaker 1>being like, oh, this is kind of a neat scene though,

0:48:17.000 --> 0:48:19.400
<v Speaker 1>like where you can't tell where he is and you

0:48:19.400 --> 0:48:21.760
<v Speaker 1>can't tell where Rollins is, like because it's so many mirrors,

0:48:22.040 --> 0:48:24.920
<v Speaker 1>so they filmed it kind of cool. We hear Henry

0:48:24.960 --> 0:48:28.520
<v Speaker 1>talking to Ruby telling him how the parents brought him

0:48:28.600 --> 0:48:31.120
<v Speaker 1>there before she was born, and she was like, let

0:48:31.120 --> 0:48:33.839
<v Speaker 1>me go, please, I won't tell, and he says she's

0:48:33.880 --> 0:48:35.880
<v Speaker 1>always been a lying, little tattletale.

0:48:35.880 --> 0:48:38.040
<v Speaker 3>He doesn't believe her. Rollins interrupts.

0:48:38.239 --> 0:48:40.239
<v Speaker 1>Henry has a gun on Rollins and he's like, you're

0:48:40.280 --> 0:48:43.080
<v Speaker 1>even prettier up close, and your daughters look just like you,

0:48:43.600 --> 0:48:45.000
<v Speaker 1>and she's like, you haven't changed a bit.

0:48:45.000 --> 0:48:46.480
<v Speaker 3>Henry's still a freaky creep.

0:48:46.719 --> 0:48:49.120
<v Speaker 1>So now she goes drop the gun and he goes,

0:48:49.160 --> 0:48:50.520
<v Speaker 1>it's not like I'm going to hurt her, And it's like,

0:48:50.560 --> 0:48:53.719
<v Speaker 1>why would anybody think that, like you are literally a

0:48:53.760 --> 0:48:55.080
<v Speaker 1>fully murderous psychobab.

0:48:55.280 --> 0:48:56.760
<v Speaker 3>She's like your number one enemy.

0:48:57.080 --> 0:49:00.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, you've been holding on to hate for Ruby,

0:49:00.320 --> 0:49:01.040
<v Speaker 2>probably forever.

0:49:01.440 --> 0:49:04.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So Rollins goes, why don't you let Ruby go?

0:49:04.200 --> 0:49:07.000
<v Speaker 1>We'll stay here, just us too, Because Rollin's is like,

0:49:07.080 --> 0:49:07.840
<v Speaker 1>this guy's eighteen.

0:49:07.960 --> 0:49:09.280
<v Speaker 3>I can flirt with him, it's legal.

0:49:09.760 --> 0:49:12.760
<v Speaker 1>She always uses her flirtations to get what she needs.

0:49:13.160 --> 0:49:15.600
<v Speaker 1>He's like, you're not mad about Jesse. He goes, I

0:49:15.600 --> 0:49:18.040
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't hurt her. She wasn't on my list. So this

0:49:18.120 --> 0:49:21.000
<v Speaker 1>guy has like an Adam Sandler style like list of

0:49:21.040 --> 0:49:22.600
<v Speaker 1>people or what movie.

0:49:22.360 --> 0:49:23.720
<v Speaker 3>Is that Happy Madison?

0:49:24.640 --> 0:49:27.960
<v Speaker 1>Happy Madison talking about Billy Madison. Somebody has a list

0:49:28.000 --> 0:49:29.239
<v Speaker 1>of all the people they want to kill. A Steve

0:49:29.239 --> 0:49:33.160
<v Speaker 1>Boucemy I had almost everything right. Happy Madison is like

0:49:33.200 --> 0:49:38.480
<v Speaker 1>his production company anyway, So Rollin says, still, a mom

0:49:38.560 --> 0:49:40.720
<v Speaker 1>has to protect her kids, and Henry's like, not mine.

0:49:40.760 --> 0:49:41.719
<v Speaker 3>She had me locked up.

0:49:42.000 --> 0:49:44.640
<v Speaker 1>And Ruby's like, that wasn't mom's fault or dad's, and

0:49:44.680 --> 0:49:46.560
<v Speaker 1>he goes, yeah, it was your fault. And I wasn't

0:49:46.600 --> 0:49:49.919
<v Speaker 1>sorry when mom died in that car crash slash Hope

0:49:49.960 --> 0:49:52.800
<v Speaker 1>Davis was unavailable because she was making the movie Love Life,

0:49:53.280 --> 0:49:56.960
<v Speaker 1>the television show. Ruby is crying and he calls her

0:49:56.960 --> 0:49:59.480
<v Speaker 1>a cry baby. Rollin swoops in and says, I'm the

0:49:59.520 --> 0:50:01.720
<v Speaker 1>one who put you you away after you shot my partner.

0:50:01.800 --> 0:50:03.880
<v Speaker 1>I made sure you got locked up. So then he

0:50:04.000 --> 0:50:06.800
<v Speaker 1>points a gun at her. But it's still a funhouse mirror,

0:50:06.800 --> 0:50:10.040
<v Speaker 1>so it's very confusing. Outside there's all these huge teams

0:50:10.120 --> 0:50:11.920
<v Speaker 1>moving in. You know, I never know who it is.

0:50:11.960 --> 0:50:16.520
<v Speaker 1>It's like Nasau County Police and the CSU teams or whatever.

0:50:16.600 --> 0:50:19.000
<v Speaker 1>There's always kinds of like different teams of guys in

0:50:19.080 --> 0:50:23.800
<v Speaker 1>like full hard hat and riot gear getting ready to.

0:50:22.920 --> 0:50:24.000
<v Speaker 3>Storm the funhouse.

0:50:24.320 --> 0:50:26.920
<v Speaker 1>Rollins is not responding to the radio, which is making

0:50:27.000 --> 0:50:29.880
<v Speaker 1>Live really frustrated, but then she finally does and she

0:50:29.960 --> 0:50:33.200
<v Speaker 1>says Ruby is coming out with Henry's gun, and so

0:50:33.280 --> 0:50:35.279
<v Speaker 1>Ruby comes out gun up, is like, don't shoot me.

0:50:35.680 --> 0:50:37.759
<v Speaker 1>They grab her and she says Henry didn't want to

0:50:37.760 --> 0:50:39.800
<v Speaker 1>talk to me anymore. He just wanted to talk to Rollins.

0:50:40.080 --> 0:50:42.040
<v Speaker 1>And now some guy in a technical unit is like,

0:50:42.080 --> 0:50:44.800
<v Speaker 1>we got state police and Nassau County Police en route.

0:50:45.000 --> 0:50:46.560
<v Speaker 3>How experienced is your detective?

0:50:46.600 --> 0:50:50.520
<v Speaker 1>And lives like very don't even question the experience of

0:50:50.520 --> 0:50:54.200
<v Speaker 1>my detectives, you little punk. Plus this is now downgraded

0:50:54.200 --> 0:50:56.919
<v Speaker 1>because he's disarmed, and they're like, yeah, unless he took

0:50:56.960 --> 0:50:59.200
<v Speaker 1>Rollins's gun, we have no idea what's going on in there.

0:50:59.520 --> 0:51:01.080
<v Speaker 1>So they're like, well, it'll be kind of tough to

0:51:01.120 --> 0:51:02.680
<v Speaker 1>sneak up on someone in a house of mirror. So

0:51:02.680 --> 0:51:04.400
<v Speaker 1>the guy goes, I'm gonna try to sneak some cameras

0:51:04.400 --> 0:51:07.160
<v Speaker 1>in there. She keeps trying to radio Rollins, who won't respond,

0:51:07.160 --> 0:51:08.920
<v Speaker 1>and then finally she's like, give us a few minutes.

0:51:08.960 --> 0:51:11.440
<v Speaker 1>Henry and I are talking. So now we get the

0:51:11.480 --> 0:51:13.600
<v Speaker 1>little moment that we always get between Rollins and a

0:51:13.600 --> 0:51:16.600
<v Speaker 1>psycho where she's like, why'd you come here? And he goes, well,

0:51:16.600 --> 0:51:18.960
<v Speaker 1>I had my childhood taken away from me. No beaches,

0:51:19.000 --> 0:51:22.279
<v Speaker 1>no amusement parks, just arts and crafts, and that's I

0:51:22.280 --> 0:51:25.239
<v Speaker 1>guess a reference to the bird houses that they had

0:51:25.239 --> 0:51:27.800
<v Speaker 1>to paint back at the facility. He loves the ocean

0:51:27.840 --> 0:51:30.399
<v Speaker 1>because the ocean doesn't give a fuck. The ocean does

0:51:30.440 --> 0:51:32.920
<v Speaker 1>what it wants, take what it wants. The ocean is

0:51:32.960 --> 0:51:36.080
<v Speaker 1>a psychopath. So he tells the story about coming to

0:51:36.120 --> 0:51:38.239
<v Speaker 1>that park and the beach. I guess this park is

0:51:38.280 --> 0:51:40.400
<v Speaker 1>right next to a beach. When he was six with

0:51:40.480 --> 0:51:44.400
<v Speaker 1>a kid named Oscar and his mom a little unnerving,

0:51:45.080 --> 0:51:47.879
<v Speaker 1>the kid, Oscar, couldn't swim. He didn't know that there

0:51:47.920 --> 0:51:49.680
<v Speaker 1>was deep water at the edge of the flats. He

0:51:49.719 --> 0:51:52.319
<v Speaker 1>got sucked under a riptide. He said he saw him

0:51:52.360 --> 0:51:55.080
<v Speaker 1>gasping for air. The kid's mom jumped in, so did

0:51:55.120 --> 0:51:58.360
<v Speaker 1>a lifeguard, but both Oscar and his mom drowned, which

0:51:58.640 --> 0:52:00.959
<v Speaker 1>they She goes, that must have been scary, and he goes,

0:52:01.760 --> 0:52:03.600
<v Speaker 1>I just did what the ocean wanted me to do.

0:52:03.840 --> 0:52:06.399
<v Speaker 1>Floated with the tide. The coastguard found me a mile

0:52:06.440 --> 0:52:08.760
<v Speaker 1>from shore, and I guess his mom was a mess,

0:52:09.000 --> 0:52:10.840
<v Speaker 1>and he was like, I was more than okay. That

0:52:10.920 --> 0:52:12.640
<v Speaker 1>was the first time I knew I was different. I

0:52:12.680 --> 0:52:14.440
<v Speaker 1>was just bummed I didn't get to see it, meaning

0:52:14.600 --> 0:52:16.480
<v Speaker 1>he didn't get to see his friend and his mother drowned.

0:52:17.360 --> 0:52:21.040
<v Speaker 1>Outside Live is getting annoyed. She needs Rolins to update her,

0:52:21.040 --> 0:52:22.520
<v Speaker 1>and on top of that, the bossy man in the

0:52:22.560 --> 0:52:24.440
<v Speaker 1>hot hard hat is like, it's not your call. We're

0:52:24.440 --> 0:52:27.279
<v Speaker 1>going in in five minutes. So inside, Rollins is like,

0:52:27.320 --> 0:52:28.759
<v Speaker 1>so what's up, dude, Like what do you want to do?

0:52:28.760 --> 0:52:30.200
<v Speaker 1>You want to come out, you want to get shot,

0:52:30.280 --> 0:52:31.680
<v Speaker 1>you want to come with me and I'll protect you.

0:52:31.760 --> 0:52:33.080
<v Speaker 3>And he's like, why would you protect me?

0:52:33.480 --> 0:52:34.959
<v Speaker 1>And she's like, because I remember you as a little

0:52:34.960 --> 0:52:38.839
<v Speaker 1>boy in the kitchen eating strawberries. Call back to last episode.

0:52:39.120 --> 0:52:41.120
<v Speaker 1>He goes, you flinched when I walked past, but you

0:52:41.160 --> 0:52:44.279
<v Speaker 1>didn't leave, and she says I was worried about you,

0:52:44.680 --> 0:52:47.360
<v Speaker 1>and even now I don't want you to die. And

0:52:47.480 --> 0:52:51.120
<v Speaker 1>Rollins comes out finally with Henry cuffed, and Henry's like,

0:52:51.160 --> 0:52:52.160
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't help myself.

0:52:52.280 --> 0:52:52.839
<v Speaker 3>Just ask her.

0:52:52.880 --> 0:52:55.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm not of sound mind like he's already talking like

0:52:55.360 --> 0:52:58.720
<v Speaker 1>the fucking joker. Liv's like, what the fuck? And Rollins

0:52:58.760 --> 0:53:01.279
<v Speaker 1>is like, I'm sorry. I just love playing Mindhunter. I

0:53:01.320 --> 0:53:03.759
<v Speaker 1>can't stop myself. I love to noodle around in the

0:53:03.800 --> 0:53:07.360
<v Speaker 1>head of these creepy psychos. She's like, this spree is

0:53:07.400 --> 0:53:09.720
<v Speaker 1>all he's been thinking about for eight years, and wherever

0:53:09.760 --> 0:53:11.399
<v Speaker 1>he ends up, they need to throw away the key.

0:53:12.280 --> 0:53:14.520
<v Speaker 1>So top of act four, this seems like could be

0:53:14.560 --> 0:53:15.680
<v Speaker 1>the end of the episode.

0:53:15.280 --> 0:53:16.000
<v Speaker 3>But there's more.

0:53:16.480 --> 0:53:19.680
<v Speaker 1>Top of act four, Henry's being evaluated, but alas our

0:53:19.760 --> 0:53:21.759
<v Speaker 1>Hoong days are long gone at this point. So it

0:53:21.840 --> 0:53:26.719
<v Speaker 1>is mister Noodle aka Olivia's therapist, doctor Peter Lindstrom. He's

0:53:26.719 --> 0:53:29.160
<v Speaker 1>been in seventeen episodes. I didn't realize so many, but

0:53:29.320 --> 0:53:33.120
<v Speaker 1>he is quite recurring in these later seasons, some of

0:53:33.160 --> 0:53:36.279
<v Speaker 1>the mid teens to the twenties. And he says, he's

0:53:36.280 --> 0:53:37.880
<v Speaker 1>not there to judge you, Henry, I'm just trying to

0:53:37.920 --> 0:53:40.239
<v Speaker 1>figure out how we got here. And Henry says, four

0:53:40.280 --> 0:53:42.440
<v Speaker 1>months ago. So I guess it's been four months. So

0:53:42.480 --> 0:53:44.960
<v Speaker 1>he got out in December and now it's like March

0:53:45.160 --> 0:53:48.839
<v Speaker 1>or something April, and he's decided to go on his spree.

0:53:49.120 --> 0:53:51.759
<v Speaker 1>Henry says, four months ago, the State of New York

0:53:51.840 --> 0:53:54.160
<v Speaker 1>said I wasn't a danger to myself or others think

0:53:54.160 --> 0:53:55.240
<v Speaker 1>they made the right decision.

0:53:55.960 --> 0:53:57.880
<v Speaker 3>So then Lindstrom comes out to talk.

0:53:57.680 --> 0:54:00.200
<v Speaker 1>To Livin Rollins and Careesi and he's like, whoever let

0:54:00.239 --> 0:54:02.400
<v Speaker 1>this kid out should have their license revoked.

0:54:03.000 --> 0:54:04.359
<v Speaker 3>Cariese's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:54:04.440 --> 0:54:07.120
<v Speaker 1>Hindsight's twenty twenty doc is he competent to stand trial?

0:54:07.520 --> 0:54:10.560
<v Speaker 1>And the doc is like, it's complicated, starring Meryl Streep

0:54:10.560 --> 0:54:12.759
<v Speaker 1>and Alec Baldwin. He's like, so they're basically like does

0:54:12.840 --> 0:54:14.880
<v Speaker 1>he know right from wrong? Can he aid in his defense,

0:54:14.920 --> 0:54:17.480
<v Speaker 1>and Lindstrom is like, hello, I'm a professional, I know

0:54:17.480 --> 0:54:19.719
<v Speaker 1>what the legal parameters are. But he's also saying that

0:54:19.760 --> 0:54:23.000
<v Speaker 1>Henry has two standard deviations away from the normal range

0:54:23.040 --> 0:54:25.640
<v Speaker 1>for callous on emotional behavior when he was ten. A

0:54:25.680 --> 0:54:29.200
<v Speaker 1>psychopath brain is different, probably from birth. But his defense

0:54:29.239 --> 0:54:32.400
<v Speaker 1>may argue that his personality disorder affects his sanity. So

0:54:32.520 --> 0:54:34.799
<v Speaker 1>Rollins argues that he knew exactly what he was doing

0:54:34.800 --> 0:54:37.120
<v Speaker 1>and he knew it was wrong, and the doctor's like, yes,

0:54:37.160 --> 0:54:39.319
<v Speaker 1>but he spent half his life locked up and then

0:54:39.400 --> 0:54:41.520
<v Speaker 1>was sent home to the family he blamed for doing

0:54:41.560 --> 0:54:44.759
<v Speaker 1>the locking up and lives. It's like pouring gas on

0:54:44.840 --> 0:54:47.680
<v Speaker 1>a fire and lighting a match, or whatever, pouring gas

0:54:47.680 --> 0:54:50.680
<v Speaker 1>on something and lighting a match. And his defense will

0:54:50.719 --> 0:54:52.640
<v Speaker 1>be to put the state on trial for letting him

0:54:52.640 --> 0:54:55.080
<v Speaker 1>out in the first place. And Rollins is like, fuck

0:54:55.239 --> 0:54:57.760
<v Speaker 1>that he gets to go on a spring break killing spree,

0:54:57.880 --> 0:54:59.480
<v Speaker 1>settle a bunch of scores, and then go back to

0:54:59.480 --> 0:55:01.600
<v Speaker 1>group there be with his friends at Camp Heesland. I

0:55:01.640 --> 0:55:04.120
<v Speaker 1>don't think so, Rollins is like, I thought there was

0:55:04.160 --> 0:55:07.120
<v Speaker 1>some of it was true about when she was in

0:55:07.160 --> 0:55:10.040
<v Speaker 1>the funhouse with him, She's not only acting.

0:55:10.560 --> 0:55:11.760
<v Speaker 3>And I'm with Rollins.

0:55:12.040 --> 0:55:14.920
<v Speaker 2>I hate this therapist in this moment, I go, Benson,

0:55:14.920 --> 0:55:17.920
<v Speaker 2>you better find another therapist. He's not good because what

0:55:18.000 --> 0:55:19.279
<v Speaker 2>you want to be soft on this guy?

0:55:19.360 --> 0:55:20.720
<v Speaker 3>He's just killed multiple people.

0:55:21.080 --> 0:55:23.960
<v Speaker 2>Even earlier he shot a cop like the I think

0:55:24.000 --> 0:55:25.680
<v Speaker 2>the States should be sued for letting him out, And

0:55:25.680 --> 0:55:27.920
<v Speaker 2>I think this therapist fucking sucks. Like why are we

0:55:27.920 --> 0:55:30.160
<v Speaker 2>making excuses for the psychopath that is going to continue

0:55:30.160 --> 0:55:31.040
<v Speaker 2>to murder? I don't get it.

0:55:31.719 --> 0:55:32.239
<v Speaker 3>Here's the thing.

0:55:32.280 --> 0:55:34.360
<v Speaker 1>If he goes to jail, he's just gonna murder in jail.

0:55:34.400 --> 0:55:36.680
<v Speaker 1>If he goes to a psychiatric facility, they'll just keep

0:55:36.719 --> 0:55:39.200
<v Speaker 1>him drugged up and he won't be able to hurt anybody.

0:55:39.040 --> 0:55:42.279
<v Speaker 2>They can't get him drugged up in prison, maybe I

0:55:42.280 --> 0:55:45.279
<v Speaker 2>don't know, because he can murder people there too, Like

0:55:45.320 --> 0:55:48.719
<v Speaker 2>I don't understand. Yeah, yeah, he keep him in solitary confinement,

0:55:48.760 --> 0:55:52.000
<v Speaker 2>Like fuck it, Like again than the born psychopath that's

0:55:52.000 --> 0:55:54.680
<v Speaker 2>like poor Henry, poor Henry as his daughter, as his sister,

0:55:54.760 --> 0:55:56.759
<v Speaker 2>Ruby is getting the shit beat out of her and

0:55:56.800 --> 0:56:00.480
<v Speaker 2>now is dead and they're still just like but Henry's

0:56:00.560 --> 0:56:03.319
<v Speaker 2>kind of crazy. We gotta take care of him. I'm

0:56:03.360 --> 0:56:04.959
<v Speaker 2>like in a twilight zone with this thing.

0:56:05.040 --> 0:56:09.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah, but okay, So Lindstrom is like, I

0:56:09.280 --> 0:56:10.960
<v Speaker 1>know you want to see him punished, but sending a

0:56:11.000 --> 0:56:13.919
<v Speaker 1>mentally ill person to prison, I've seen prisons where there's

0:56:13.920 --> 0:56:16.760
<v Speaker 1>one psychologist for five hundred men. It's like the Dark Ages.

0:56:17.080 --> 0:56:20.080
<v Speaker 1>And Carisey's like, all right, we just competent or not,

0:56:20.320 --> 0:56:22.680
<v Speaker 1>Like I gotta know, like what's up? This is black

0:56:22.719 --> 0:56:25.840
<v Speaker 1>and white for cares And He's like, he is competent,

0:56:25.880 --> 0:56:28.080
<v Speaker 1>but the question is the problem? Like you asking me

0:56:28.080 --> 0:56:30.000
<v Speaker 1>whether he's competent is kind of the problem. Is what

0:56:30.040 --> 0:56:32.319
<v Speaker 1>Lindstrum says, you.

0:56:32.480 --> 0:56:33.480
<v Speaker 3>How you were brought in?

0:56:34.000 --> 0:56:36.040
<v Speaker 2>What do you mean we brought you here to say

0:56:36.040 --> 0:56:37.760
<v Speaker 2>if he's competent or not. If you had a problem

0:56:37.760 --> 0:56:39.120
<v Speaker 2>with the question, you shouldn't have come in.

0:56:39.800 --> 0:56:41.879
<v Speaker 1>But I think he's saying there's shades of gray here.

0:56:41.880 --> 0:56:44.400
<v Speaker 1>It's not just black and white. And you know, I

0:56:44.800 --> 0:56:48.200
<v Speaker 1>see where he's coming from in his like as a

0:56:48.239 --> 0:56:49.480
<v Speaker 1>psychiatric professional.

0:56:49.600 --> 0:56:52.120
<v Speaker 3>Anyway, Rollin's is about to break down. She's like, I

0:56:52.120 --> 0:56:55.279
<v Speaker 3>gotta go get some fresh air. Lisa's with her. They

0:56:55.320 --> 0:56:58.080
<v Speaker 3>have to go outside together. Caresee's like, I'll go with her.

0:56:58.280 --> 0:57:01.000
<v Speaker 1>Lindstrom asks Live how she's She goes, it's been a

0:57:01.040 --> 0:57:05.200
<v Speaker 1>tough year, I think, just referencing the pandemic. And she goes,

0:57:05.280 --> 0:57:08.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm lucky. Noah's okay, my squad is healthy. And then

0:57:09.680 --> 0:57:12.719
<v Speaker 1>Lindstrom goes and what about Stabler? You said he reappeared

0:57:12.719 --> 0:57:15.319
<v Speaker 1>out of nowhere and Live goes, yeah, and it's been

0:57:15.920 --> 0:57:18.160
<v Speaker 1>a lot to process. And he's like, well, I can

0:57:18.200 --> 0:57:20.320
<v Speaker 1>see why you want an appointment, and I really look

0:57:20.400 --> 0:57:23.000
<v Speaker 1>forward to it. That's such a weird thing to say.

0:57:23.240 --> 0:57:25.280
<v Speaker 1>If my therapist was like I ran under her Trader

0:57:25.360 --> 0:57:27.440
<v Speaker 1>Joe's and she was like, I heard you're having a problem,

0:57:27.440 --> 0:57:29.920
<v Speaker 1>and I really look forward to our session on Sunday,

0:57:29.920 --> 0:57:31.640
<v Speaker 1>I'd be like, what, that's.

0:57:31.520 --> 0:57:32.320
<v Speaker 3>A weird thing to say.

0:57:32.640 --> 0:57:35.440
<v Speaker 1>Lives like yeah, cool, me too, bro, and then she

0:57:35.560 --> 0:57:37.200
<v Speaker 1>just bounces right out of the room. She does not

0:57:37.240 --> 0:57:39.600
<v Speaker 1>want to talk to Doc mister Noodle anymore. In the

0:57:39.640 --> 0:57:43.360
<v Speaker 1>competency hearing, Lindstrom is on the stand once again trying

0:57:43.400 --> 0:57:45.800
<v Speaker 1>to color the shades of gray between the law and

0:57:45.800 --> 0:57:48.640
<v Speaker 1>psychiatry and the judge like everyone else is like black

0:57:48.800 --> 0:57:52.960
<v Speaker 1>or white, competent or not, and he goes yes, and

0:57:53.040 --> 0:57:55.640
<v Speaker 1>they excuse his ass, so he's out of there. Henry's

0:57:55.720 --> 0:57:59.160
<v Speaker 1>lawyer is April Andrews, who is played by Aaron Anderson.

0:57:59.200 --> 0:58:02.040
<v Speaker 1>She's been in Sixthsode of SVU, including I Deserve Some

0:58:02.120 --> 0:58:04.800
<v Speaker 1>Loving Too, which we covered. She has like an eighty

0:58:04.880 --> 0:58:07.400
<v Speaker 1>Falco vibe to me, and she plays a character named

0:58:07.440 --> 0:58:12.120
<v Speaker 1>Ainsley and then just like that like three episodes. Look,

0:58:12.160 --> 0:58:14.760
<v Speaker 1>but she has kind of like a young Edie Falco

0:58:14.800 --> 0:58:16.880
<v Speaker 1>thing going on for me. Not that Edie Falco's not young,

0:58:16.880 --> 0:58:17.720
<v Speaker 1>but this woman's younger.

0:58:18.280 --> 0:58:18.920
<v Speaker 3>Anyway.

0:58:19.160 --> 0:58:22.360
<v Speaker 1>The judge rules that Henry is capable of participating in

0:58:22.400 --> 0:58:25.040
<v Speaker 1>his own defense, and his lawyer is like, okay, we'll

0:58:25.040 --> 0:58:27.600
<v Speaker 1>be pleading not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect,

0:58:27.680 --> 0:58:29.480
<v Speaker 1>and then she kind of starts to argue her case

0:58:29.880 --> 0:58:31.880
<v Speaker 1>and the judge is like save it for the jury,

0:58:31.920 --> 0:58:35.880
<v Speaker 1>and Henry like so creepily goes, you're being rude to

0:58:35.920 --> 0:58:38.160
<v Speaker 1>my lawyer. Let her finish, and then he stands up

0:58:38.160 --> 0:58:41.520
<v Speaker 1>starts heading for the judge. The slowest bailiffs on the

0:58:41.520 --> 0:58:44.840
<v Speaker 1>planet are not moving at all. This fucking kid grabs

0:58:44.880 --> 0:58:48.160
<v Speaker 1>a pencil. Cariese goes to stop him. He stabs Coresi

0:58:48.320 --> 0:58:51.080
<v Speaker 1>in the ear with a pencil. The judge is screaming,

0:58:51.120 --> 0:58:53.840
<v Speaker 1>get him out of here. Henry's screaming, I want my daddy,

0:58:54.200 --> 0:58:57.360
<v Speaker 1>and Rollins is rushing to help a bleeding Coresi. It's chaos,

0:58:57.400 --> 0:59:00.920
<v Speaker 1>like truly at the hospital now Careese. He's being discharged.

0:59:01.000 --> 0:59:04.920
<v Speaker 1>Henry apparently just mispuncturing his ear drum. The judge remanded

0:59:05.000 --> 0:59:08.240
<v Speaker 1>Henry he'll be medicated until he's deemed confident. Amanda's like,

0:59:08.320 --> 0:59:10.240
<v Speaker 1>so he gets what he wants. He stabbed you to

0:59:10.280 --> 0:59:13.800
<v Speaker 1>prove that he's crazy, and he's still going to stand trial.

0:59:13.920 --> 0:59:16.200
<v Speaker 1>But he killed his dad, his stepmom, his five year

0:59:16.240 --> 0:59:18.440
<v Speaker 1>old brother. If he's not crazy, then no one is.

0:59:18.680 --> 0:59:20.760
<v Speaker 1>So Coreesy seems like he's on the side of this

0:59:20.760 --> 0:59:21.760
<v Speaker 1>guy being crazy too.

0:59:22.360 --> 0:59:22.880
<v Speaker 3>It's weird.

0:59:23.000 --> 0:59:27.240
<v Speaker 1>Rollin's of all people, just like doesn't buy the mental

0:59:27.280 --> 0:59:29.400
<v Speaker 1>health part of it. But she's also all about getting

0:59:29.400 --> 0:59:32.040
<v Speaker 1>into the heads of these psychos and finding out what's wrong,

0:59:32.440 --> 0:59:35.400
<v Speaker 1>like what's up with them? So then cut to Rollins

0:59:35.440 --> 0:59:37.920
<v Speaker 1>marching into a cell to talk to Henry, who is

0:59:38.440 --> 0:59:41.200
<v Speaker 1>drugged up. Eyes are open, but he's like totally catatonic.

0:59:41.680 --> 0:59:43.760
<v Speaker 1>She says, I know you can hear me. And when

0:59:43.800 --> 0:59:45.960
<v Speaker 1>I told you I didn't want you to die, I lied.

0:59:46.320 --> 0:59:47.840
<v Speaker 1>If you ever get out of here, if you go

0:59:47.880 --> 0:59:50.200
<v Speaker 1>after Careesy or anyone in my family, it will be

0:59:50.240 --> 0:59:51.280
<v Speaker 1>your last day on earth.

0:59:51.320 --> 0:59:54.400
<v Speaker 3>I'll kill you myself. And he doesn't respond at all.

0:59:54.480 --> 0:59:56.720
<v Speaker 1>But as she leaves, he gets that sick, little half

0:59:56.760 --> 1:00:00.680
<v Speaker 1>smile that he had at the beginning, and that's wolf baby.

1:00:01.120 --> 1:00:05.240
<v Speaker 1>But also, this guy would never get out again, you

1:00:05.280 --> 1:00:07.800
<v Speaker 1>never know. Maybe that's what she's fighting against. Maybe she's like,

1:00:07.800 --> 1:00:09.280
<v Speaker 1>if he goes to a mental health facility, there's a

1:00:09.320 --> 1:00:11.960
<v Speaker 1>chance in thirty years he'll get out again. And when

1:00:12.000 --> 1:00:14.360
<v Speaker 1>he's like forty eight and he'll still kill But I

1:00:14.440 --> 1:00:16.400
<v Speaker 1>just feel like he would be like remanded for the

1:00:16.400 --> 1:00:17.120
<v Speaker 1>rest of his life.

1:00:17.120 --> 1:00:17.800
<v Speaker 3>Like I don't think that.

1:00:18.200 --> 1:00:20.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm more having an issue because I've watched every episode

1:00:21.000 --> 1:00:22.760
<v Speaker 2>of in just like that, and I cannot place this

1:00:22.800 --> 1:00:26.520
<v Speaker 2>woman or this character Ainslie, Like I can't. Yeah, I

1:00:26.560 --> 1:00:28.320
<v Speaker 2>say she's in a few I keep looking at the

1:00:28.320 --> 1:00:31.160
<v Speaker 2>photos and I just do not know. I don't know

1:00:31.200 --> 1:00:35.360
<v Speaker 2>who she is. I can't figure it out. I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to watch the episodes again because it's killing me. It's

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<v Speaker 2>killing me, so stay tuned for that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, lock him up, Lock him up, Lock him up.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know anything about the case this is based on,

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<v Speaker 1>so looking forward to your rendition. But before we get

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<v Speaker 1>to the crime, Lisa, I just want to remind everybody

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<v Speaker 1>that we are going on tour.

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<v Speaker 3>We've already we've been on tour. We're going on tour

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<v Speaker 3>tour of this episode. We're in the middle of the tour.

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<v Speaker 1>I am not exactly sure where we are when this

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<v Speaker 1>episode comes out, but I believe it will be the

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<v Speaker 1>October Range, Buffalo, New Haven, Burlington, Cleveland, Boston, Boston. We

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<v Speaker 1>need your asses. If you live in Rhode Island, if

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<v Speaker 1>you live anywhere remotely close to Boston, please drive in

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<v Speaker 1>and come see us. We got to fill the Wilber

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<v Speaker 1>at least to what do you say, half three quarter capacity?

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<v Speaker 3>I want it so big, I want it full.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let's okay, Toronto, Detroit, Pittsburgh, Salt Lake City, Chicago,

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<v Speaker 2>Park West. That means a lot to me. And then

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<v Speaker 2>we'll be back in Madison, Minneapolis. We're going to Milwaukee,

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<v Speaker 2>Saint Louis, Sacramento, New York, and Philly. So yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>Chicago's part of a festival. Yeah, And the New York

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<v Speaker 2>show is selling up pretty quickly, so grab your tickets

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<v Speaker 2>to that.

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<v Speaker 3>Sacramento. You were like one of the littest shows we

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<v Speaker 3>ever did.

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<v Speaker 1>So if every single one of you is not back,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know enough to start knocking on doors. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very excited Chicago too. We need you guys to

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<v Speaker 1>come out Chicago. This is going to be our only

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<v Speaker 1>show in Chicago for the rest of the year. So

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<v Speaker 1>all of our Rosemont gals that came out last year,

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<v Speaker 1>all of our people that have come out to other venues,

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<v Speaker 1>please come see us there, because that's a big venue too, right, Lisa, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>our bust is cool. I've seen some bands there. We

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<v Speaker 1>got to fill that baby up to My sister puked

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<v Speaker 1>in a garbage can in that lobby.

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<v Speaker 3>My god, remember when I poked in a garbage can?

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<v Speaker 3>We went to that like rave party? All right?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure do okay, stay tuned for crime. Listen to our ads.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see you in a few seconds. So this episode

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<v Speaker 2>is based on the Willie basket case, and I want

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<v Speaker 2>to say we've researched so many crimes for this podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>This was the most hard for me to organize because

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<v Speaker 2>this person has committed so many crimes.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, they're all.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of overlapping, so I would be putting it in

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<v Speaker 2>the order, and then I'm like, wait, did he do

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<v Speaker 2>this to this this person or this person or that like.

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<v Speaker 3>It truly was so confusing because.

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<v Speaker 2>There are so many crimes and sentences and overlapping things.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, I did my best, but truly, I

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<v Speaker 2>bet I fucked up here because I kept switching and

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<v Speaker 2>being like, wait, did he puncture this one's lung or

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<v Speaker 2>did he gash this one's forehead because they both aren't Like.

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<v Speaker 2>It was so many crimes, so many articles. But I

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<v Speaker 2>did get lucky because this all happened in New York

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<v Speaker 2>and so there's a lot of great news and publications there.

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<v Speaker 2>So Willie boskin he is a self proclaimed monster. He's

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<v Speaker 2>a monster baby. Boskett once admitted to committing more than

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand crimes between the ages of nine and fifteen,

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<v Speaker 2>including twenty five stabbings.

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<v Speaker 3>And yes, that is nine. I said nine.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, when there's legislation and laws that happen

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<v Speaker 2>after you as an example, you know you're bad. He

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<v Speaker 2>once said that he killed for end quote, for the experience.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a child growing up in Harlem, and as

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<v Speaker 2>early as second grade he was trouble.

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<v Speaker 3>Trouble did that even sound lake Taylor Swift? No, not

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<v Speaker 3>at all? Okay, so like it.

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<v Speaker 2>As a small, small child, he threw a typewriter out

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<v Speaker 2>of a third story window and missed a teacher by

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<v Speaker 2>like not a lot of space. And you know, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>classic questions arise about this kind of person. Did the

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<v Speaker 2>courts and juvenile authorities help create the monster? That's what,

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<v Speaker 2>of course he believes, or did his rage stem from

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<v Speaker 2>his upbringing on West one hundred and fourteenth Street in Harlem,

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<v Speaker 2>or another one of his claims is that he was

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<v Speaker 2>destined to follow the path of a father he never met,

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<v Speaker 2>who was also a criminal.

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<v Speaker 3>But also what I was just gonna say, that's the

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<v Speaker 3>kind of thing that always gets live.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like you know, yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. And

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<v Speaker 2>of course, in the classic sense of like criminals, oftentimes

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<v Speaker 2>he was abused.

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<v Speaker 3>He was sexually abused by his grandfather.

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<v Speaker 2>So at age nine he was put in his first

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<v Speaker 2>reform school and since then he's only been free a

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<v Speaker 2>total of eighteen months in his life, and that's not consecutively.

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<v Speaker 2>That is included with like escapes in different parole or

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<v Speaker 2>like getting let out. But he's only been in the

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<v Speaker 2>free world a total of eighteen months in his whole

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<v Speaker 2>life past the age of nine.

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<v Speaker 3>That's so so fucked up. It is so when he went.

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<v Speaker 2>In at nine, he says, you know, like he was

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<v Speaker 2>just a bad kid, but he left with all the

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<v Speaker 2>lessons of how to commit crimes. So he was at

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<v Speaker 2>the Brookwood Center for Boys from nineteen seventy four to

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy seven. And it is a maximum security institution

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<v Speaker 2>and he was in there with murders, rapists, and arm robbers.

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<v Speaker 2>And Sylvia Hoenig is a social worker and she first

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<v Speaker 2>worked with him at age twelve and said that he

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<v Speaker 2>was a terror, like he attacked the staff with clubs,

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<v Speaker 2>smashed windows, stole shit, sodom, I other inmates escaped in

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<v Speaker 2>state vehicles. And then it's hard to blame the facility

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<v Speaker 2>when you are doing this, yeah, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not like you learned all this and you're doing

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<v Speaker 2>it on the way out. You have no fear of

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<v Speaker 2>any authority or like stealing vehicles and catching fire and

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<v Speaker 2>then raping your other inmates.

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<v Speaker 3>So I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>He was found to be very precocious and empathetic though,

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<v Speaker 2>which I have a hard time believing.

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<v Speaker 3>But that is I guess what the staff found.

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<v Speaker 2>They said that he was warm and did have potential,

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<v Speaker 2>but he was there for stabbing people, so I don't

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<v Speaker 2>understand where the empathy comes out of. And he's quoted

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<v Speaker 2>in the New York Times that he stabbed people because

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<v Speaker 2>in quotes, because they made me mad, So I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Honick says he was hardly ever disciplined, and that caused

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<v Speaker 2>him to get more and more like, you know, aggressive.

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<v Speaker 2>In her diaries, it's recorded how Willie was allowed to

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<v Speaker 2>go into town with female staff members and get drunk,

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<v Speaker 2>how he was permitted not to attend class, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you know, all the serious things I mentioned earlier, but

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<v Speaker 2>also he like hit another boy with a poker in

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<v Speaker 2>the boy's eye, and then much chiller stealing cigarettes and

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<v Speaker 2>then selling them, which does seem like normal like jail activities.

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<v Speaker 2>But also he drove a truck into a social worker, so.

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<v Speaker 3>That is what he was up to. But this actually

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<v Speaker 3>reminded me.

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<v Speaker 2>So I have like a little joke about jail that

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<v Speaker 2>I do in my set, and in Sacramento, this dude

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, I've been to prison, and he was

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<v Speaker 2>in prison for a long time, and he was telling

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<v Speaker 2>us the whole audience that he would take bottles of

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<v Speaker 2>listrine for commissary, pour it out and then make sweet

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<v Speaker 2>and sour sauce and sell teriyaki and sweet and sour

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<v Speaker 2>sauce throughout the prison and that's how he made money.

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<v Speaker 3>And we were also intrigued.

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<v Speaker 2>And then someone from the back had also been to prison,

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<v Speaker 2>so then she started like how'd you make or like

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<v Speaker 2>asking questions that you would only know from someone on

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<v Speaker 2>the inside, and then he admitted.

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<v Speaker 3>Finally, he goes, I also sold.

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<v Speaker 2>Meth so so your money just wasn't just from the sauces.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we took a photo after the show and

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<v Speaker 2>we got into a prison post and it is so hard,

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<v Speaker 2>like it's gonna be my workout is how to like

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<v Speaker 2>hold a prison post? What's the prison post? It's like

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<v Speaker 2>one leg down. It's kind of like a boy band pose.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like one leg down on your knee and one standing,

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<v Speaker 2>but the knee never hits the floor and then you

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<v Speaker 2>you hold your arm out and then you hold hands

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle.

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<v Speaker 3>But he spoke Russian and we bonded.

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<v Speaker 2>And then after God, another dude came up to me

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<v Speaker 2>and said, oh, I spent this many years in prison.

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<v Speaker 3>That guy doesn't know shit.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there was another girl who was like, I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't like prison, like this guy, I was there for years,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, I did not, I've only seen

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<v Speaker 2>hell yeah, I know it is like Sacramento. His heart

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<v Speaker 2>as fuck. And I was, you know, I said this

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<v Speaker 2>like in the last episode. But everyone told me like

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<v Speaker 2>not to go outside and to go for walks because

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<v Speaker 2>people pop out of nowhere. And I was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I've lived in giant cities, but I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to listen to the people that live here and not

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<v Speaker 2>walk if they'd tell me not to walk in a

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<v Speaker 2>certain area. And then someone from the club was driving

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<v Speaker 2>me home at night and I saw people pop out

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<v Speaker 2>of bushes and stuff like they truly do, come out

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<v Speaker 2>of anywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>Poppables, no way, popples.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah wait, that's actually so genius of that guy, because

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<v Speaker 1>prison food's so gross that I bet everybody just wanted

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<v Speaker 1>sweet and sour sauce to like slather it on their

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<v Speaker 1>food and make it like, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, sweet and sour sauce. You can kind of eat

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<v Speaker 3>anything with that stuff all over it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he said he worked in the kitchen, so he

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<v Speaker 2>was able to like take ingredients and do it. But

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<v Speaker 2>there's tiktoks of people in jail doing tiktoks of like

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<v Speaker 2>the food that they should try, and they go, that's bustin'

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like cheesy ramen sandwiches and like all the ingredients,

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<v Speaker 2>and I watch them make prison food on these like, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a category of the Internet.

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<v Speaker 3>So I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a little aside, and I apologize, and we

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<v Speaker 2>are back to this guy last night off he drove

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<v Speaker 2>a truck into a social worker, Okay, and that's the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, wait, so he's in there and he's blaming

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<v Speaker 2>the authorities in this place and we learned to be bad.

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<v Speaker 2>But then also it seemed like this there weren't any

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<v Speaker 2>rules for him and he was able to do what

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<v Speaker 2>he wanted. And so I'm imagining this like the boy

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<v Speaker 2>from the episode what's the episode with fucking.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh Trials when he drives the car. Yeah, but is

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<v Speaker 3>that the Elizabeth Banks the Julie Bowen one? I always

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<v Speaker 3>fuck it up?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, there are I hate I hate vegetables. They're just

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<v Speaker 1>they're gross candy. I'm with you, kid, So it's just

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<v Speaker 1>it's really wild. So he got released in nineteen seventy seven,

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<v Speaker 1>and so he was fourteen when released, So all of

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<v Speaker 1>this that I just said was before he was fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>years of age.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>So they sent him off to a group home in Brooklyn.

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<v Speaker 2>He got a job as a maintenance worker, and the

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<v Speaker 2>supervisor at Brookwood told Honig that was gonna kill somebody

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<v Speaker 2>one of these days, and it's like duh. So he

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<v Speaker 2>goes to Harlem and then him and his cousin, the Judas,

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<v Speaker 2>roam the subways looking for drunks to rob. So March nineteenth,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy eight, he shot and killed one person in

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<v Speaker 2>the subway system with a twenty two caliber pistol, and

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<v Speaker 2>then eight days later he shot and killed another person.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he got only five years because that was

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<v Speaker 2>the max at the time, So because he was underage,

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<v Speaker 2>even though he shot and killed two people in cold blood,

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<v Speaker 2>he only got five years.

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<v Speaker 3>Jesus.

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<v Speaker 2>So June nineteen seventy eight, he went in to serve

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<v Speaker 2>his time in custody and everyone flipped the fuck out,

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<v Speaker 2>So that led the governor at the time, Hugh Carey,

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<v Speaker 2>to win passage of a new law letting juvenile offenders

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<v Speaker 2>be tried as adults for murder. So now defendants can

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<v Speaker 2>be as young as thirteen and the sentence can range

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<v Speaker 2>from seven years to life. And so New York toughened

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<v Speaker 2>it's juvenile criminal laws because of this guy. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>known as the Willie Basket Law, aka the Juvenile a

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<v Speaker 2>Fender Law, and it remains one of the toughest in

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<v Speaker 2>the nation. And that's from a nineteen eighty five La

1:12:05.520 --> 1:12:08.960
<v Speaker 2>Times article. It went into effect in nineteen seventy eight,

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<v Speaker 2>and even as like it still stands as of twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty and stuff like it's there you will be tried

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<v Speaker 2>as an adult if you are a murderer a teener.

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<v Speaker 3>And that was seventy eight.

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<v Speaker 1>Was like when the subway was like at the height

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<v Speaker 1>of being like thunderedome Like the subway at that time

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<v Speaker 1>I think was really really fucked up.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Colin Quinn and his show is it New York Stories,

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<v Speaker 2>or the book that accompanies it is The Coloring Book,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's incredible. But he said, yeah, it's wild to

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<v Speaker 2>see people now on iPhones and iPads in there. He's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I would have to hide my Metro card in my sock. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like you couldn't have anything.

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<v Speaker 1>My parents lived in the city at that time and

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<v Speaker 1>they never took the subway, and so when I moved

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<v Speaker 1>to the city, you know, twenty five years later, they

1:12:55.160 --> 1:12:57.120
<v Speaker 1>were like, you're not taking the subway, are you? And

1:12:57.160 --> 1:12:59.040
<v Speaker 1>I was like just seven times a day, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>just take it everyone where I go every day. My

1:13:01.520 --> 1:13:03.360
<v Speaker 1>mom couldn't believe it, but it was like she just

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<v Speaker 1>had moved to the suburbs and didn't really realize that

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<v Speaker 1>it had gotten cleaned up, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, you know, you're bad when laws are made

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<v Speaker 3>for you.

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<v Speaker 2>So he was at the Goshen Youth Facility and this

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<v Speaker 2>dude bashed two guards in the head with a mop handle,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he also temporarily escaped. Honig said his letters

1:13:21.280 --> 1:13:23.479
<v Speaker 2>became more and more angry, like they kept in touch,

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<v Speaker 2>and he realized and said he mentally prepared himself that

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to be in prison for the rest of

1:13:29.320 --> 1:13:33.800
<v Speaker 2>his life. But December nineteen eighty three, a few days

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<v Speaker 2>before his twenty first birthday, he was released. And then

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<v Speaker 2>March nineteenth and nineteen eighty four, he was arrested for

1:13:39.960 --> 1:13:43.760
<v Speaker 2>attempted robbery, but he kept causing problems in prison. So

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<v Speaker 2>his original charge when he entered in nineteen eighty four

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<v Speaker 2>was a sentence of three and a half to seven

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<v Speaker 2>years where he mugged a half blind seventy two year

1:13:51.680 --> 1:13:54.880
<v Speaker 2>old man in Harlem. But because of all of his

1:13:54.920 --> 1:13:58.440
<v Speaker 2>additional crimes that he committed in prison, it's now like fifty.

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<v Speaker 3>Three to life. So he went in.

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<v Speaker 2>But even that mugging, that seems like such a low

1:14:05.439 --> 1:14:10.479
<v Speaker 2>sentence for a repeat offender. But again, even as like

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<v Speaker 2>a young adult, he set fire to his cells multiple times,

1:14:14.439 --> 1:14:16.120
<v Speaker 2>he would attack the guards that would come in to

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<v Speaker 2>put out the fires.

1:14:17.880 --> 1:14:19.439
<v Speaker 3>And he also didn't look dangerous.

1:14:19.479 --> 1:14:22.360
<v Speaker 2>They said, you know, he was five nine, one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and fifty pounds and he's handsome, dimpled face is what

1:14:25.200 --> 1:14:25.639
<v Speaker 2>they say.

1:14:25.920 --> 1:14:28.439
<v Speaker 3>And I can confirm he is hot. I did find

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<v Speaker 3>one photo of him.

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<v Speaker 2>He is sexy, and hopefully we'll get the rights to

1:14:31.840 --> 1:14:33.920
<v Speaker 2>that photo to put in our Instagram and you can

1:14:33.960 --> 1:14:36.519
<v Speaker 2>go look at him or not. But I would say

1:14:36.520 --> 1:14:38.800
<v Speaker 2>he's probably one of the top cutest criminals we have

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<v Speaker 2>covered one hundred percent, and he had a genius IQ

1:14:42.800 --> 1:14:45.200
<v Speaker 2>and at times like I think it was the La Times.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the articles I was reading compared him to

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<v Speaker 2>Hannibal Lecter from Silence of the Lambs, and I had

1:14:49.160 --> 1:14:51.400
<v Speaker 2>to include that because Kara, of course loves Silence of

1:14:51.439 --> 1:14:54.880
<v Speaker 2>the Lambs. Yes, And they also compared him like to

1:14:54.920 --> 1:14:58.360
<v Speaker 2>the Silence of the Lambs movies because of the padlocking

1:14:58.400 --> 1:15:01.280
<v Speaker 2>devices they used to restrain him. They really had to

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<v Speaker 2>restrain the fuck out of this guy, because he kept

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<v Speaker 2>attacking guards and starting fires and beating the shit out

1:15:05.880 --> 1:15:09.880
<v Speaker 2>of people and using weapons and escaping like and Honig

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<v Speaker 2>eventually stopped visiting him. I'm the old social worker. She said,

1:15:13.640 --> 1:15:16.400
<v Speaker 2>she just couldn't because he was living like an animal.

1:15:16.520 --> 1:15:18.479
<v Speaker 2>And the more they treat him like a monster, the

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<v Speaker 2>more monstrous he becomes. And you know, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>take a little aside to man to say that it's

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<v Speaker 2>also wild how close to his father his actions are.

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<v Speaker 2>His father, Legit went into the same reform school at

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<v Speaker 2>age nine as well, so they both were in the

1:15:33.760 --> 1:15:36.639
<v Speaker 2>same like locked up place at nine. They both stopped

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<v Speaker 2>schooling in the third grade when Boskett's mother was pregnant

1:15:39.800 --> 1:15:41.920
<v Speaker 2>with him. His father was arrested for a double murder

1:15:41.960 --> 1:15:45.120
<v Speaker 2>at age twenty, killing two people in a Milwaukee pond

1:15:45.200 --> 1:15:48.200
<v Speaker 2>shop in nineteen sixty two, and then the dad escaped,

1:15:48.320 --> 1:15:50.880
<v Speaker 2>robbed a bank and was on the FBI Most Wanted list,

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<v Speaker 2>and then finally locked up in Kansas. But and while

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<v Speaker 2>in Kansas, he ended up graduating from like the program

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<v Speaker 2>with it, you know, with the University of like with

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<v Speaker 2>a university with straight a's, And he got elected to

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<v Speaker 2>be a Phi Beta Kappa, which is Phi Beta Kappa.

1:16:08.280 --> 1:16:10.800
<v Speaker 3>Is like a national honor society. That's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So he got into that, and then he was

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<v Speaker 2>released in nineteen eighty three, which seems wilder, and then

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<v Speaker 2>got a job at an aerospace company and now back

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<v Speaker 2>to a twist. And then immediately he was charged with

1:16:24.520 --> 1:16:29.559
<v Speaker 2>molesting his girlfriend's daughter. But then the girlfriend helped him escape,

1:16:30.200 --> 1:16:33.680
<v Speaker 2>smuggled him a revolver, and there was a police shootout,

1:16:33.800 --> 1:16:36.759
<v Speaker 2>and his final act came March seventh, nineteen eighty five,

1:16:37.120 --> 1:16:40.000
<v Speaker 2>when he used his two last bullets to kill himself

1:16:40.000 --> 1:16:44.600
<v Speaker 2>and his girlfriend. Oh my god, and now I have

1:16:44.680 --> 1:16:50.080
<v Speaker 2>an even wilder The world is so fat. His grandfather

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<v Speaker 2>was also a criminal who was arrested in nineteen forty

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<v Speaker 2>two for armed robbery and also went to the same

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<v Speaker 2>reform school for boys.

1:16:59.360 --> 1:17:03.360
<v Speaker 3>So it's three generations. It's a cycle.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And when Willy was growing up, and whenever he

1:17:07.760 --> 1:17:10.320
<v Speaker 2>asked about his father, his mother and grandmother would just

1:17:10.360 --> 1:17:12.040
<v Speaker 2>say he's a bad man and you're.

1:17:12.000 --> 1:17:13.240
<v Speaker 3>Just like him.

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<v Speaker 2>And so yeah, he never met his father because he

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<v Speaker 2>was in prison for the double murder at the time

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<v Speaker 2>Willy was born.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's so fucked.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like you've just been told you're bad, You're gonna

1:17:25.120 --> 1:17:25.479
<v Speaker 1>be bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is like so complicated, so sad, so vish.

1:17:30.640 --> 1:17:32.599
<v Speaker 2>I can't even I don't even know the right words

1:17:32.640 --> 1:17:37.080
<v Speaker 2>to fully dissect all this. So, you know, back to Willy.

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<v Speaker 2>While he's in custody, he stabbed a prison guard and

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<v Speaker 2>then was facing twenty five to life for the attack,

1:17:44.360 --> 1:17:46.720
<v Speaker 2>which happened when he was being interviewed by a journalist

1:17:47.040 --> 1:17:49.080
<v Speaker 2>who's helping him write his autobiography.

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<v Speaker 3>And he's twenty six.

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<v Speaker 2>He's already serving this like twenty five twenty years to life,

1:17:54.080 --> 1:17:57.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, sentence for assault and arson, which have nothing

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<v Speaker 2>to do.

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<v Speaker 3>While he's there already.

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<v Speaker 2>These more like it's just wild and so he grabbed

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<v Speaker 2>the shoulder of this guard spun him around and then

1:18:04.840 --> 1:18:07.519
<v Speaker 2>stabbed him in the chest. And then he jumped on

1:18:07.600 --> 1:18:10.960
<v Speaker 2>a table and said surround me, surround me, but nobody

1:18:11.080 --> 1:18:13.320
<v Speaker 2>surrounded him, and all the other inmates just backed away

1:18:13.320 --> 1:18:16.600
<v Speaker 2>and left. So he tried to create.

1:18:16.280 --> 1:18:20.800
<v Speaker 1>Some kind of like ryo, and everyone's like, we hate yo,

1:18:21.240 --> 1:18:23.360
<v Speaker 1>so you're not even like yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So he's in.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the New York State's most violent inmate. And he

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<v Speaker 2>has a special cell that's stripped of everything. No light

1:18:31.040 --> 1:18:35.400
<v Speaker 2>fixtures because he has swallowed those in the past, so

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<v Speaker 2>he can't have lights. The guards aren't even allowed to

1:18:38.760 --> 1:18:42.040
<v Speaker 2>speak to him. And there's a dark quote coming up

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<v Speaker 2>next that is the only noise Willie Boskett is going

1:18:45.680 --> 1:18:48.040
<v Speaker 2>to hear, and that is the sound of his toilet flushing.

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<v Speaker 2>And this was said to The New York Times by

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<v Speaker 2>Thomas A. Coughlin three D, the Commissioner of the Department

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<v Speaker 2>of Correctional Services at the time, and he at one

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<v Speaker 2>point tried to challenge some of the restraints and shot

1:19:00.280 --> 1:19:02.840
<v Speaker 2>in court as cruel and unusual punishment, but he lost

1:19:02.880 --> 1:19:05.960
<v Speaker 2>that case an appeal because you're too wild, you know

1:19:06.040 --> 1:19:09.920
<v Speaker 2>what I mean, Like you can't stab guards and think

1:19:09.920 --> 1:19:13.040
<v Speaker 2>they're going to just keep you in the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like they're not going.

1:19:14.360 --> 1:19:15.880
<v Speaker 3>To continuously risk themselves.

1:19:16.320 --> 1:19:18.320
<v Speaker 2>But he was fighting for them to stop this one

1:19:18.360 --> 1:19:21.120
<v Speaker 2>restraint because they chain him to his cell door each

1:19:21.160 --> 1:19:24.640
<v Speaker 2>time he's permitted out, so from the in from the outside,

1:19:24.680 --> 1:19:26.920
<v Speaker 2>and he like puts his you know, arms and legs

1:19:26.960 --> 1:19:29.519
<v Speaker 2>through and they shackle him to the door, and then

1:19:29.600 --> 1:19:32.200
<v Speaker 2>they open the door and unshackle him and shackle him

1:19:32.200 --> 1:19:38.280
<v Speaker 2>again because they couldn't trust him at all. And I

1:19:38.400 --> 1:19:41.920
<v Speaker 2>understand why he feels dehumanized by this, but I also

1:19:42.040 --> 1:19:47.720
<v Speaker 2>understand the guards are being like they're getting their lungs punctured,

1:19:47.840 --> 1:19:51.920
<v Speaker 2>you know. And he quote he has a quote Willie

1:19:51.960 --> 1:19:54.559
<v Speaker 2>Bosket where he said, I laugh at this system because

1:19:54.560 --> 1:19:56.360
<v Speaker 2>there ain't a damn thing it can do to me

1:19:56.479 --> 1:19:59.000
<v Speaker 2>except to deal with the monster at his creator it

1:19:59.080 --> 1:20:02.320
<v Speaker 2>has created. And he said this in court when he

1:20:02.360 --> 1:20:04.519
<v Speaker 2>acted as his own lawyer in an assault case. So

1:20:04.560 --> 1:20:06.600
<v Speaker 2>he acted as his own lawyer a lot. He was

1:20:06.600 --> 1:20:10.160
<v Speaker 2>always representing himself. So in his opening statement when he

1:20:10.240 --> 1:20:13.000
<v Speaker 2>stabbed the guard Earl Porter, he was like, the only

1:20:13.040 --> 1:20:15.600
<v Speaker 2>thing I regret is that I didn't kill him. And

1:20:15.640 --> 1:20:19.280
<v Speaker 2>he said that to the jury and that's the punctured lung.

1:20:19.400 --> 1:20:21.519
<v Speaker 2>And then also there was another attack where one time

1:20:21.600 --> 1:20:24.840
<v Speaker 2>he was being led from his cell to the exercise yard,

1:20:25.360 --> 1:20:28.960
<v Speaker 2>and there was a quote to The Times the Correctional

1:20:29.040 --> 1:20:33.400
<v Speaker 2>Services Department James B. Flatteau said, mister Boskett removed a

1:20:33.439 --> 1:20:37.040
<v Speaker 2>restraining chain from his waist to hit the guard. He

1:20:37.080 --> 1:20:39.559
<v Speaker 2>then ran into his cell and closed the door. And

1:20:39.600 --> 1:20:42.680
<v Speaker 2>the guard has a six inch head laceration. He is

1:20:42.720 --> 1:20:47.560
<v Speaker 2>six years old. He's incarcerated at the Wendy Correctional Facility.

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<v Speaker 3>I wonder if you.

1:20:48.800 --> 1:20:51.080
<v Speaker 1>Say it like that, w e ND we talked about

1:20:51.080 --> 1:20:52.040
<v Speaker 1>that facility before.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like we knew somebody else that's there. Yeah,

1:20:56.200 --> 1:20:59.640
<v Speaker 3>I wonder are you searching in our drive? I'm like,

1:21:00.600 --> 1:21:01.960
<v Speaker 3>let's see who else is there?

1:21:03.640 --> 1:21:06.960
<v Speaker 1>Mark David Chapman, the man who murdered John Lennon, was

1:21:07.000 --> 1:21:13.120
<v Speaker 1>transferred there in twenty twelve. Harvey Weinstein, whoa after he

1:21:13.200 --> 1:21:14.479
<v Speaker 1>was convicted, he was returned.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh wait, that's wrong.

1:21:15.800 --> 1:21:18.360
<v Speaker 1>Wait it says it has him under notable inmates for Wendy,

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know he.

1:21:19.000 --> 1:21:21.519
<v Speaker 3>Was there for some point. Yeah, so he's still there.

1:21:21.640 --> 1:21:24.720
<v Speaker 2>And one time he said end quote I'll haunt this

1:21:24.840 --> 1:21:28.000
<v Speaker 2>damn system. He has a quote where he said that

1:21:28.080 --> 1:21:30.600
<v Speaker 2>he's going to throw balls of fire back into the

1:21:30.640 --> 1:21:35.439
<v Speaker 2>devil's face. So he's definitely ready for hell. If you

1:21:35.479 --> 1:21:37.400
<v Speaker 2>want to know more about him, there is a book

1:21:37.439 --> 1:21:41.360
<v Speaker 2>called All God's Children, The Basket Family and the American

1:21:41.400 --> 1:21:45.640
<v Speaker 2>Tradition of Violence, and it's written by Fox Butterfield, and

1:21:45.680 --> 1:21:48.400
<v Speaker 2>it's about the root causes of the system of violence,

1:21:48.800 --> 1:21:52.200
<v Speaker 2>from slavery in the South to the dissolution in Harlem.

1:21:52.920 --> 1:21:56.599
<v Speaker 2>So you know, he is black, his family is black,

1:21:56.680 --> 1:22:01.160
<v Speaker 2>and there's just like a long line of bosket family crime,

1:22:01.360 --> 1:22:03.840
<v Speaker 2>like you know, like I said, it's three generations, and

1:22:03.880 --> 1:22:08.120
<v Speaker 2>so this book kind of tracks from slavery where the

1:22:08.160 --> 1:22:12.080
<v Speaker 2>white boss gets ended up, like how this happened and

1:22:12.120 --> 1:22:13.960
<v Speaker 2>how it all ended up in Harlem and this like

1:22:14.720 --> 1:22:18.240
<v Speaker 2>genealogy of crime. I chose not to kind of focus

1:22:18.320 --> 1:22:22.040
<v Speaker 2>on this. You can obviously check the book. I felt

1:22:22.360 --> 1:22:27.880
<v Speaker 2>strange in my own personal feelings to tie a lineage back.

1:22:27.920 --> 1:22:30.479
<v Speaker 2>I feel it like takes away from personal responsibility in

1:22:30.520 --> 1:22:33.080
<v Speaker 2>a way I felt uncomfortable with. But obviously I believe

1:22:33.120 --> 1:22:34.680
<v Speaker 2>in generational trauma.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and how things happen and how you're raising this

1:22:38.320 --> 1:22:42.600
<v Speaker 1>guy was a fucking genius if one person had just

1:22:43.840 --> 1:22:46.760
<v Speaker 1>helped him, taken an interest in him, like, you know,

1:22:46.960 --> 1:22:53.360
<v Speaker 1>helped him focus his attention towards something other than violence

1:22:53.400 --> 1:22:55.720
<v Speaker 1>and crime and telling him that he was a piece

1:22:55.760 --> 1:22:58.040
<v Speaker 1>of shit. I wonder how things might have turned out differently,

1:22:58.160 --> 1:22:59.040
<v Speaker 1>But one.

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<v Speaker 2>Hundred percent, Yeah, it's I tried reading a lot of

1:23:04.240 --> 1:23:08.040
<v Speaker 2>the stuff from this book. It was I would say

1:23:08.080 --> 1:23:10.920
<v Speaker 2>over my head, like I was not able to like

1:23:11.040 --> 1:23:13.519
<v Speaker 2>fully connect it. And in the show notes that the

1:23:13.680 --> 1:23:15.840
<v Speaker 2>La Times article really touched on this book and the

1:23:15.880 --> 1:23:20.280
<v Speaker 2>lineage of just the history of crime and violence that

1:23:20.360 --> 1:23:24.479
<v Speaker 2>he was raised in, and so there's definitely more to

1:23:24.600 --> 1:23:26.400
<v Speaker 2>explore with.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I just h but I had no idea the

1:23:31.080 --> 1:23:32.960
<v Speaker 3>middle of New York. Yeah, and this is the guy

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<v Speaker 3>where Juvenile.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's like we've sort of debated that in

1:23:36.400 --> 1:23:41.000
<v Speaker 1>many SVU episodes, like Trying Kids as Adults and like

1:23:41.040 --> 1:23:44.880
<v Speaker 1>the episode Juvenile where one kid is going to get

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<v Speaker 1>charged even though he didn't do the majority of it

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<v Speaker 1>because he's fourteen versus thirteen, you know, or whatever the

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<v Speaker 1>little arbitrary cut off lines of age are.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy is like who put that legislature, legislature out there,

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<v Speaker 1>but thank you for telling us all that. Let's roll

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<v Speaker 1>right into our post mortem, baby wow. So that concludes

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<v Speaker 1>the two part arc that you've all been clamoring for

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<v Speaker 1>about a psychotic eight year old that becomes a psychotic

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen year old um or ten year old to eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>year old.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that Dad, he deserves to die, and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't feel bad for him. I just feel bad for

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<v Speaker 2>his son and wife that had to die because.

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<v Speaker 1>Of him, because of his inability to look at the

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<v Speaker 1>truth or taken any information about his son's condition.

1:24:37.520 --> 1:24:40.920
<v Speaker 3>What it's really fucked up. There's really nothing to say.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate that Dad obviously shouldn't have been let out

1:24:43.640 --> 1:24:47.040
<v Speaker 2>that the psychiatric place should be held responsible.

1:24:47.120 --> 1:24:50.959
<v Speaker 3>He's like, what the fuck? I know, because it's like everybody,

1:24:51.040 --> 1:24:51.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it's like we just placed so much stock

1:24:54.160 --> 1:24:57.719
<v Speaker 1>in someone being a child. Whereas it's like Ted Bundy

1:24:57.840 --> 1:25:03.240
<v Speaker 1>was charming, the fucking kemp and Kemper was funny, was charming.

1:25:03.280 --> 1:25:06.280
<v Speaker 1>These guys can be charming, like you can fool people

1:25:06.400 --> 1:25:09.240
<v Speaker 1>like it's just it's wild how the doctor was like,

1:25:09.320 --> 1:25:12.320
<v Speaker 1>no one's ever fooled me. And a whole staff before

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, this is the best psychopath ever, We've met,

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest, Like he's the best one.

1:25:17.560 --> 1:25:18.240
<v Speaker 3>Like, I don't know.

1:25:19.080 --> 1:25:21.679
<v Speaker 1>I feel like there had to have been signs, even

1:25:21.720 --> 1:25:24.479
<v Speaker 1>in the courtroom when he gives that little like dead

1:25:24.479 --> 1:25:25.400
<v Speaker 1>eyed half smile.

1:25:25.640 --> 1:25:27.240
<v Speaker 3>I just tried to do it, and I truly looked

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<v Speaker 3>like I was.

1:25:27.880 --> 1:25:32.439
<v Speaker 2>I needed Trey McDougall to be there to testify. But

1:25:32.520 --> 1:25:34.240
<v Speaker 2>he's probably in prison for murder.

1:25:34.560 --> 1:25:38.120
<v Speaker 1>He's in prison for murdering another psychopath.

1:25:38.280 --> 1:25:40.880
<v Speaker 3>He did the opposite of what this dad did.

1:25:40.880 --> 1:25:44.120
<v Speaker 1>He took matters into his own fucking hands and save

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<v Speaker 1>the world from a psych a tiny psycho.

1:25:46.280 --> 1:25:47.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't even remember.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that a Conscience is that episode if you want

1:25:49.560 --> 1:25:50.400
<v Speaker 2>to check that out.

1:25:50.800 --> 1:25:54.240
<v Speaker 1>Yes, Conscience hard to spell, easy to watch, great video,

1:25:54.320 --> 1:25:55.880
<v Speaker 1>great great episode.

1:25:58.560 --> 1:26:02.599
<v Speaker 2>Ypsod of television, sad crime. But listen, you can't keep

1:26:02.640 --> 1:26:05.080
<v Speaker 2>attacking guards. You will be in a silent room with

1:26:05.120 --> 1:26:07.040
<v Speaker 2>no friends. Like, I don't know what to tell you. Yeah.

1:26:07.320 --> 1:26:09.320
<v Speaker 1>I do think it's cool too that the show like

1:26:09.400 --> 1:26:11.679
<v Speaker 1>got him back and was able to like do kind

1:26:11.680 --> 1:26:14.559
<v Speaker 1>of like a eight years later type of episode. That's

1:26:14.600 --> 1:26:16.439
<v Speaker 1>like a neat thing that you don't see in television

1:26:16.439 --> 1:26:18.360
<v Speaker 1>a lot. So it's a cool it's a cool thing.

1:26:18.400 --> 1:26:20.240
<v Speaker 1>But I love that Amanda Rollins.

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<v Speaker 2>She'll flirt with a child, with a teen, with a

1:26:22.880 --> 1:26:24.960
<v Speaker 2>grown person, she'll flirt Oh yeah, a.

1:26:24.920 --> 1:26:28.599
<v Speaker 1>Psychopath personality disorder. I mean she does not care. She

1:26:28.720 --> 1:26:31.799
<v Speaker 1>will flirt with you like you are getting a swipe

1:26:31.840 --> 1:26:35.800
<v Speaker 1>from Amanda Rollins for sure. And I mean it was

1:26:35.840 --> 1:26:37.960
<v Speaker 1>a stupid move, but I thought it was cool. They

1:26:38.040 --> 1:26:40.000
<v Speaker 1>did a scene in a funhouse. I thought it was

1:26:40.040 --> 1:26:44.200
<v Speaker 1>a cool cinematically. I liked the funhouse scene, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Thought, honestly, making me really bummed now that the we're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to get new episodes.

1:26:51.040 --> 1:26:53.720
<v Speaker 3>I know, I know what.

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<v Speaker 2>The whole time at the beach, I kept thinking of

1:26:55.800 --> 1:26:59.599
<v Speaker 2>the sv episode about the lifeguard, about the powerful life guard.

1:26:59.600 --> 1:27:04.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Dark's the most powerful lifeguard. But it was

1:27:04.960 --> 1:27:05.400
<v Speaker 1>so funny.

1:27:05.400 --> 1:27:07.360
<v Speaker 2>So then our friends came later to the beach and

1:27:07.400 --> 1:27:09.280
<v Speaker 2>one of them was like, wow, it looks so calm

1:27:09.320 --> 1:27:11.160
<v Speaker 2>and nice, and I was like someone was saved a

1:27:11.200 --> 1:27:13.320
<v Speaker 2>half hour ago, Like what are you talking about? The

1:27:13.720 --> 1:27:16.680
<v Speaker 2>waves are insane. I've never been dragged down like this

1:27:16.800 --> 1:27:20.200
<v Speaker 2>in my life. I was fully dragged and spun under

1:27:20.200 --> 1:27:22.800
<v Speaker 2>the waves multiple times, hitting the sand like it was

1:27:23.120 --> 1:27:25.320
<v Speaker 2>nuts out there. But I had my goggles, thank you

1:27:25.360 --> 1:27:27.840
<v Speaker 2>to my father, So I was ready for it.

1:27:28.000 --> 1:27:28.840
<v Speaker 3>But it was not.

1:27:28.960 --> 1:27:31.559
<v Speaker 1>You were wearing goggles at the beach, of course I was.

1:27:32.560 --> 1:27:33.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I've ever seen that.

1:27:34.800 --> 1:27:37.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh why would I want the saltwater splashing into my

1:27:37.840 --> 1:27:40.000
<v Speaker 2>sensitive eyes when I want goggles?

1:27:40.360 --> 1:27:42.360
<v Speaker 1>I guess because like when I go to the beach,

1:27:42.560 --> 1:27:44.599
<v Speaker 1>like when I go to the ocean, I kind of

1:27:44.640 --> 1:27:46.960
<v Speaker 1>just like wade in and maybe I'll dunk my head under.

1:27:47.000 --> 1:27:48.960
<v Speaker 1>But I'm not like swimming the way I'm swimming in

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<v Speaker 1>a pool as much.

1:27:50.000 --> 1:27:52.080
<v Speaker 2>No, I'm trying to jump in those waves. I'm trying

1:27:52.120 --> 1:27:53.040
<v Speaker 2>to ride the waves bad.

1:27:53.320 --> 1:27:56.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, do I know your boogie boys, I'm the Sean

1:27:56.320 --> 1:27:58.480
<v Speaker 1>wife of the rock ways.

1:27:58.760 --> 1:28:02.800
<v Speaker 3>You sh right up the last. I love that. But

1:28:02.960 --> 1:28:04.120
<v Speaker 3>I just that's funny.

1:28:04.160 --> 1:28:07.559
<v Speaker 1>Like, write me and tell me if you consider goggles

1:28:07.600 --> 1:28:09.280
<v Speaker 1>to be a beach thing or a pool thing or both.

1:28:09.360 --> 1:28:09.679
<v Speaker 3>I could.

1:28:09.760 --> 1:28:11.800
<v Speaker 2>I brought them into the pool too, and my friend

1:28:11.880 --> 1:28:15.479
<v Speaker 2>laughed on my face. But because that was chic, that

1:28:15.600 --> 1:28:17.720
<v Speaker 2>was more chic. It was like a sexy hotel, no

1:28:17.840 --> 1:28:18.719
<v Speaker 2>children allowed.

1:28:19.439 --> 1:28:22.880
<v Speaker 1>You're also basically talking right into a plot line from

1:28:22.880 --> 1:28:25.240
<v Speaker 1>the episode of this from this episode of SVU. You

1:28:25.240 --> 1:28:27.400
<v Speaker 1>were basically almost dragged under like that little kid who

1:28:27.400 --> 1:28:29.439
<v Speaker 1>died at the beach while the psycho just watched, Oh

1:28:29.479 --> 1:28:31.559
<v Speaker 1>my god, Yeah, did you let the ocean take what

1:28:31.640 --> 1:28:33.559
<v Speaker 1>it wanted and then it just spit you back out?

1:28:34.320 --> 1:28:38.080
<v Speaker 2>Kind of because I'm a good knock on wood, I'm

1:28:38.080 --> 1:28:41.320
<v Speaker 2>a I'm a good swimmer. Yeah I knew, Yeah, I

1:28:41.400 --> 1:28:44.160
<v Speaker 2>knew the lifeguards were on. It was fin What happened

1:28:44.240 --> 1:28:47.760
<v Speaker 2>was so our friends, there's two Julia's they were they

1:28:47.760 --> 1:28:49.839
<v Speaker 2>were at the place where they were riding the waves,

1:28:49.960 --> 1:28:51.320
<v Speaker 2>and that's where I wanted to get.

1:28:51.680 --> 1:28:53.320
<v Speaker 3>But anytime I tried to get.

1:28:53.160 --> 1:28:56.599
<v Speaker 2>To them to ride the waves, I was swushed back

1:28:56.680 --> 1:29:00.280
<v Speaker 2>and thrown so far. So it was like a forty

1:29:00.320 --> 1:29:02.960
<v Speaker 2>five minute excursion to try to get to them and

1:29:03.080 --> 1:29:07.439
<v Speaker 2>just being beaten up. My tit's falling out. People lost

1:29:07.520 --> 1:29:12.040
<v Speaker 2>body goggles askew. But I know I don't go into

1:29:12.040 --> 1:29:13.720
<v Speaker 2>the ocean without goggles.

1:29:14.120 --> 1:29:17.599
<v Speaker 1>And you know what, it's crazy that I'm even I

1:29:17.640 --> 1:29:20.519
<v Speaker 1>hate saltwater in my eyes, like I hate it. So

1:29:21.280 --> 1:29:22.760
<v Speaker 1>that's why I'm kind of like when I go in

1:29:22.800 --> 1:29:24.599
<v Speaker 1>I'm just more of like a waiter in the ocean,

1:29:24.640 --> 1:29:28.160
<v Speaker 1>and I'm not like I don't I never as a kid,

1:29:28.200 --> 1:29:29.839
<v Speaker 1>I never wore goggles in the ocean.

1:29:30.080 --> 1:29:32.160
<v Speaker 2>Well that's because your dad didn't steal things from the

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<v Speaker 2>pool Lost and found.

1:29:34.160 --> 1:29:37.240
<v Speaker 3>You know, I wish, I can only wish. Yeah, so

1:29:37.360 --> 1:29:39.840
<v Speaker 3>I have lots of goggles because my dad is a thief.

1:29:40.080 --> 1:29:42.080
<v Speaker 1>Wait, and we didn't even get to this, but you

1:29:42.120 --> 1:29:44.000
<v Speaker 1>did a big surprise for your parents. You want you

1:29:44.040 --> 1:29:45.320
<v Speaker 1>surprise them on your birthday?

1:29:45.600 --> 1:29:47.679
<v Speaker 3>I shir did? It really works out great?

1:29:47.920 --> 1:29:50.320
<v Speaker 1>If you don't watch Lisa's if you don't follow glitter

1:29:50.400 --> 1:29:52.679
<v Speaker 1>Cheese on Instagram, what, I don't know what you're doing

1:29:52.680 --> 1:29:54.360
<v Speaker 1>with your life. But you can see a video of

1:29:54.400 --> 1:29:56.719
<v Speaker 1>it there of her surprising your parents, and it's very sweet.

1:29:56.720 --> 1:29:58.920
<v Speaker 2>And I'm on TikTok. I'm trying to get viral. I'm

1:29:58.960 --> 1:30:01.640
<v Speaker 2>trying to get famous on Ti TikTok. And I'm you know,

1:30:01.640 --> 1:30:03.840
<v Speaker 2>it's embarrassing to say out loud, but it is the truth.

1:30:07.000 --> 1:30:07.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there you have it.

1:30:07.960 --> 1:30:11.639
<v Speaker 2>I'll use my player path Yeah more psychopath Get ready

1:30:11.640 --> 1:30:16.599
<v Speaker 2>for segments, guys, Get ready, because I am I'm trying

1:30:16.600 --> 1:30:18.880
<v Speaker 2>to get famous on TikTok. I'm watching all these other people.

1:30:18.880 --> 1:30:21.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I think I'm funnier than these guys. Of course,

1:30:21.439 --> 1:30:23.599
<v Speaker 2>watching a woman shake a salad in the front seat

1:30:23.600 --> 1:30:24.960
<v Speaker 2>of her car on a lunch break.

1:30:25.080 --> 1:30:28.800
<v Speaker 3>I'm watching a woman eat one o TikTok is so weird.

1:30:28.840 --> 1:30:31.160
<v Speaker 3>What goes viral like this.

1:30:31.200 --> 1:30:35.120
<v Speaker 1>One girl, Bella Porch is famous, famous on TikTok, and

1:30:35.160 --> 1:30:37.000
<v Speaker 1>literally her first video is like from her just like

1:30:37.080 --> 1:30:39.200
<v Speaker 1>wiggling her nose and crossing her eyes to a song

1:30:40.080 --> 1:30:43.080
<v Speaker 1>and she's and she's hot, you know, like that's it.

1:30:43.080 --> 1:30:45.719
<v Speaker 1>It's like wild. And now she's literally like a millionaire

1:30:45.760 --> 1:30:47.920
<v Speaker 1>and she has songs and like a huge career.

1:30:48.280 --> 1:30:50.639
<v Speaker 2>Get ready, guys, Get ready, guys, that's what I'm doing.

1:30:51.040 --> 1:30:53.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna do it. You know, think I used there.

1:30:53.840 --> 1:30:56.040
<v Speaker 2>You don't think there's twenty five segments coming out of

1:30:56.040 --> 1:30:56.800
<v Speaker 2>my parents home.

1:30:57.479 --> 1:30:58.000
<v Speaker 3>You're wrong.

1:30:59.040 --> 1:31:02.439
<v Speaker 2>Watch out, guy, I'm heading for TikTok stardom.

1:31:03.080 --> 1:31:03.120
<v Speaker 1>No.

1:31:03.400 --> 1:31:05.840
<v Speaker 3>I was getting really dragged down. It was wild.

1:31:05.880 --> 1:31:07.519
<v Speaker 2>But also what's nice is you don't want to lose

1:31:07.520 --> 1:31:09.360
<v Speaker 2>your sunglasses in the ocean, you know, because you could

1:31:09.400 --> 1:31:11.200
<v Speaker 2>get hit by a wave. But you get the sun

1:31:11.280 --> 1:31:13.679
<v Speaker 2>protection too. With the goggles like it's a little dimmer.

1:31:13.760 --> 1:31:16.120
<v Speaker 2>Oh you know, yeah, because I have had my sunglasses

1:31:16.160 --> 1:31:16.559
<v Speaker 2>fly off.

1:31:16.600 --> 1:31:18.920
<v Speaker 1>I think that's what I do is I wear sunglasses

1:31:18.960 --> 1:31:21.360
<v Speaker 1>because I figure, oh, those will stop me any air

1:31:21.439 --> 1:31:24.320
<v Speaker 1>and water from splashing in my eyes. But I don't

1:31:24.360 --> 1:31:26.680
<v Speaker 1>really go under that much in the ocean because of

1:31:26.800 --> 1:31:28.240
<v Speaker 1>the salt water. I don't like it in my eyes.

1:31:28.280 --> 1:31:30.760
<v Speaker 1>So maybe I'm a goggle girl. Maybe you've convinced me. Yeah,

1:31:30.800 --> 1:31:32.800
<v Speaker 1>I gotta get Rosy a new pair the speedo's I

1:31:32.800 --> 1:31:36.720
<v Speaker 1>got or keep falling off. Her hair's too like silky?

1:31:38.240 --> 1:31:41.400
<v Speaker 1>Is your hair too silky for goggles? Call this number below.

1:31:43.520 --> 1:31:46.240
<v Speaker 3>They just keep falling down and she doesn't and then she.

1:31:46.720 --> 1:31:48.479
<v Speaker 1>They you have to keep them tight, but then she

1:31:48.479 --> 1:31:50.080
<v Speaker 1>doesn't like that they're tight and they're making a crease

1:31:50.120 --> 1:31:50.800
<v Speaker 1>around her eyes.

1:31:51.160 --> 1:31:51.960
<v Speaker 3>You know you can't win.

1:31:52.720 --> 1:31:55.559
<v Speaker 1>Let's get into our Do you have any final thoughts?

1:31:55.720 --> 1:31:58.960
<v Speaker 3>Jerry Springer? Do I have final thoughts on the beach

1:31:59.320 --> 1:32:00.639
<v Speaker 3>or or anything?

1:32:00.680 --> 1:32:04.360
<v Speaker 1>Psychopaths so beath children being locked up forever?

1:32:04.600 --> 1:32:06.600
<v Speaker 3>Who who can know?

1:32:08.320 --> 1:32:10.479
<v Speaker 1>I definitely think we have to be careful about kids.

1:32:10.520 --> 1:32:13.160
<v Speaker 1>We brand a psychopath because, like you know, my son

1:32:13.200 --> 1:32:15.000
<v Speaker 1>will giggle and be having a great time and then

1:32:15.120 --> 1:32:16.920
<v Speaker 1>just slash me with his nails in the face. I

1:32:16.920 --> 1:32:18.960
<v Speaker 1>don't think he's a psychopath, you know. People tell me

1:32:18.960 --> 1:32:21.519
<v Speaker 1>that's age appropriate, So we should just be careful who

1:32:21.560 --> 1:32:25.040
<v Speaker 1>we do decide to call a psycho, even though I've

1:32:25.080 --> 1:32:29.440
<v Speaker 1>met many children that are riding the line, baby.

1:32:29.280 --> 1:32:30.920
<v Speaker 3>But they have to take the test. But this gu

1:32:31.040 --> 1:32:31.960
<v Speaker 3>right into our own.

1:32:32.120 --> 1:32:34.320
<v Speaker 2>The thing with my parents' surprise, this is what I

1:32:34.320 --> 1:32:37.800
<v Speaker 2>wanted to say. Oh yeah, I think visiting family three

1:32:37.880 --> 1:32:41.080
<v Speaker 2>days is perfect an event with three days, that's the

1:32:41.120 --> 1:32:44.080
<v Speaker 2>secret number. You come in, you're surprised, they can't believe

1:32:44.080 --> 1:32:46.040
<v Speaker 2>they're seeing you. We have a great dinner, we play

1:32:46.080 --> 1:32:48.320
<v Speaker 2>some game. You know, I had such fun times with

1:32:48.360 --> 1:32:52.599
<v Speaker 2>my sister, like it is, and then you leave while

1:32:52.600 --> 1:32:53.559
<v Speaker 2>they're still wanting more.

1:32:54.160 --> 1:32:54.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1:32:55.160 --> 1:32:57.759
<v Speaker 1>Day two is like a fun first full day solid.

1:32:57.840 --> 1:32:59.519
<v Speaker 1>By day three you're like, I'm getting a little sick

1:32:59.520 --> 1:33:00.479
<v Speaker 1>of it, and then you you're out.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it was really fun.

1:33:03.240 --> 1:33:06.479
<v Speaker 2>And our poor cat is so old now though her

1:33:06.880 --> 1:33:10.400
<v Speaker 2>she can't retract her clause anymore. Oh no, like, so

1:33:10.439 --> 1:33:12.880
<v Speaker 2>they're just out, they're just out, and then they keep

1:33:12.880 --> 1:33:15.560
<v Speaker 2>getting stuck in blankets and then she like howls and

1:33:15.600 --> 1:33:16.519
<v Speaker 2>you have to unhook her.

1:33:17.680 --> 1:33:19.280
<v Speaker 3>It's sad poor mania.

1:33:19.760 --> 1:33:22.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, go into this go, let's go.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So this week, you guys know, I'm like a

1:33:25.160 --> 1:33:27.479
<v Speaker 1>little bit obsessed with psychopaths. And for this week's what

1:33:27.520 --> 1:33:29.840
<v Speaker 1>would Sister Peg Do, which is our weekly segment where

1:33:29.840 --> 1:33:33.440
<v Speaker 1>we direct you towards a blog, post, a podcast, an organization.

1:33:33.920 --> 1:33:34.040
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

1:33:34.520 --> 1:33:37.200
<v Speaker 1>In this case, we're gonna direct you towards a book

1:33:37.880 --> 1:33:39.479
<v Speaker 1>that just something to give you a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>knowledge about what we.

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<v Speaker 3>Talked about in today's episode.

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<v Speaker 1>And I read a book that I really enjoyed called

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<v Speaker 1>The psychopath Test, A Journey through the Madness Industry by

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<v Speaker 1>John Ronson. John Ronson's written a bunch of books that

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<v Speaker 1>I loved. Also another book called So You've Been Publicly Shamed.

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<v Speaker 1>He's he almost does like it's like it's more like sociological.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like the way he writes books, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>like I wouldn't. This is like a book about psychopathy

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<v Speaker 1>that I think is more accessible to those of us

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<v Speaker 1>that are not scholars, and like it's not a text

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<v Speaker 1>that you're going to read from a college professor. And

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<v Speaker 1>so obviously there's more digging to do if you really

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<v Speaker 1>want to learn about this kind of thing. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think for like an overview, The Psychopaths Test was a

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<v Speaker 1>very interesting book and I found it super readable as

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<v Speaker 1>like a layman and a non scholar and a non

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, psychology student. So he interviews purported psychopaths

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<v Speaker 1>as well as psychologists and psychiatrists who study them. It

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<v Speaker 1>spends a lot of time with Robert D. Hare, the

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<v Speaker 1>author of the hair Psychopathy Checklist that I mentioned in

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<v Speaker 1>the first episode, Born Psychopath. But overall, it's an examination

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<v Speaker 1>of the mental health industry at large, which I know

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<v Speaker 1>many of our listeners and we are interested in. So

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<v Speaker 1>we will have a link to that in our show

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