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Speaker 1: And it's Thursday here on the show. And you know
Speaker 1: that means we have a TV deal announced. Man, we
Speaker 1: were talking about this yesterday. I did a big free
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Speaker 1: it was outdated because the deal was announced pretty much
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Speaker 1: tell you what aw got and what this means and
Speaker 1: plenty more. It was also the five year anniversary of Dynamite.
Speaker 1: What'd you think of the show last night a lot
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Speaker 1: the show half hour overrun, I should mention that my
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Speaker 1: We've also got more on something everybody has been talking
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Speaker 1: the past. We'll see if I'm wrong this time. We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk a little bit about Shane McMahon and AW.
Speaker 1: We've also got updates on Sammy Gavara, who was injured
Speaker 1: last night the NXT premiere ratings. We briefly mentioned it
Speaker 1: as a show went off the air yesterday. We'll talk
Speaker 1: about to get in detail here, and of course we've
Speaker 1: got the AW Dynamite TV report and uh what we
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Speaker 1: uh tease, no title matches yet, but anyway, Title Tuesday
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Speaker 2: You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
Speaker 2: and Mike SIMPERVV on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: Back in the show, Brian Elbarez here Wrestling Observer Live
Speaker 1: Mike SIMPERVV also Wrestling Observer dot com. Before we get
Speaker 1: to the wrestling news, tonight is after Dark Radio. Every Thursday,
Speaker 1: there's an After Dark and I'm gonna be opening up
Speaker 1: the show. I went to the Skadget County Sasquatch something
Speaker 1: or other this weekend in Mount Vernon and there we
Speaker 1: was scheduled to be some speakers, and the speakers no
Speaker 1: showed And then it's like a tiny little out in
Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere. There's like thirty people in the
Speaker 1: camp and the fairgrounds. It's like nobody knew where the
Speaker 1: speakers were supposed to be. So I wander into this
Speaker 1: building and there's a fellow there who's gonna replace the
Speaker 1: actual speakers. Tom Cantrell is his name, and he's like
Speaker 1: a bigfoot investigator, and like nobody else showed up. So
Speaker 1: for two hours I got a private presentation. He showed
Speaker 1: me all these big foot pictures on his computer. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's pretty cool. So I'm gonna talk about this tonight
Speaker 1: because this guy makes some really good points. And you know,
Speaker 1: it's coincidental that I bring it up for After Dark
Speaker 1: Radio tonight, because all over today I'm talking. It's in
Speaker 1: the New York Post. It's on TMZ. There's a new
Speaker 1: Bigfoot video. Okay, have you guys seen this? I'll talk
Speaker 1: about it more tonight, but suffice to say I don't
Speaker 1: buy it for a second. Okay, but it's like all
Speaker 1: over the place today. So anyway, what I saw in
Speaker 1: this guy's computer was way better than this alleged Bigfoot
Speaker 1: video on TMZ and new.
Speaker 10: Hopefully stuff on that guy's computer.
Speaker 1: Come on, Mike, can you be a professional for once?
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Speaker 1: Dark Radio every week. Bigfoot and UFOs is the topic tonight,
Speaker 1: which I would say is more interesting than we got
Speaker 1: to talk about today. But actually there is big news
Speaker 1: as yesterday immediately after the show went off the air,
Speaker 1: of course, classic timing, we have got the announcement of
Speaker 1: the new television deal AW and Warner Brothers officially announced
Speaker 1: a multi year renewal on Thursday that will keep Dynamite
Speaker 1: and Collision on TBS and TNT respectively, and a streaming
Speaker 1: component on Max. You know, yesterday on Observer Radio, Dave
Speaker 1: wanted to gloat and I just didn't want to hear it. Yes,
Speaker 1: but he did it anyway. Well, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: gloat here, okay, but I am going to point something
Speaker 1: out as I read this. Dynamite and Collision will remain
Speaker 1: in their current homes and networks on both Wednesday and Saturday. Okay,
Speaker 1: we knew that here's rampage is done, by the way,
Speaker 1: which we also had talked about yesterday, Rampage is done.
Speaker 1: Both Dynamite and Collision will stream live on Max if
Speaker 1: you are a US subscriber of Max, and I'm wondering
Speaker 1: what they're gonna do in terms of commercials, like are
Speaker 1: you going to get the commercial free version if you
Speaker 1: pay for Max? I guess we'll find out. Aw content
Speaker 1: that errors on any WBD network will also be able
Speaker 1: to stream on Max on demand. It is quite likely
Speaker 1: that if you want to go back to the beginning
Speaker 1: and watch every episode of Dynamite, you're going to be
Speaker 1: able to do that. And now I don't think that
Speaker 1: guy is on Twitch anymore. Maybe he's been r U
Speaker 1: nnoft as they say. But starting later in twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: AW and WBD will offer live pay per views on
Speaker 1: Max at a discounted price per event, with all marketing
Speaker 1: and of those pay per view events exclusively centered on Max.
Speaker 1: Why do I bring this up because I try to
Speaker 1: tell you for months and months and months that Max
Speaker 1: wasn't capable of doing pay per views yet. And I
Speaker 1: had certain people in particular that were like, yes they can, Yes,
Speaker 1: they can. I watch live things. I said, I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about live sports. I'm talking about pay per view.
Speaker 1: They don't have the capability to do that. I was told,
Speaker 1: yes they do. Oh, it's easy. Oh, I could set
Speaker 1: it up. That's the one I heard. I could set
Speaker 1: it up, have Max hire me, I could get them on.
Speaker 1: Well anyway, they're not ready yet, but it's being worked
Speaker 1: on and midway sometime in twenty twenty five, when they can,
Speaker 1: they will offer the pay per views on Max. The
Speaker 1: deal is, according to Dave Meltzer, five hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: five million over three years. Now, as far as what
Speaker 1: exactly that means, and this is a key point to
Speaker 1: this here, Okay, everything is fine for at least three years. Okay,
Speaker 1: they are locked in for three years, then there are
Speaker 1: I believe two option years. Okay, if they are picked
Speaker 1: up in those two option years, the number goes up.
Speaker 1: So the one hundred and eighty five million that everybody
Speaker 1: is seeing that is the average over five years if
Speaker 1: they're picked up. I think the actual number is probably
Speaker 1: around I don't know, one hundred and seventy five hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty million for the first three years and then
Speaker 1: around two hundred million for the next two years after that.
Speaker 1: But those are option years. Okay, So yes, everything is
Speaker 1: great right now, but the key is this thing needs
Speaker 1: to stay steady. This thing needs to build. This thing
Speaker 1: cannot collapse because if it does collapse, it's going to
Speaker 1: be a rough go three years from now when the
Speaker 1: decision is made, do we pick them up for even
Speaker 1: more money for these two option years. But for now,
Speaker 1: for the remaining or for the first three years here,
Speaker 1: they're making a lot of money, a lot of money,
Speaker 1: and things are good. So yeah, I think I think
Speaker 1: the old deal was about ninety So yeah, they doubled
Speaker 1: more than doubled if they get into the fourth and
Speaker 1: fifth year. So you know, I talked about this couple
Speaker 1: of days ago. Yes, up until yesterday, the eighteen to
Speaker 1: forty nine where they ranked on the cable charts, very
Speaker 1: very important. Okay, in two years that's going to be
Speaker 1: very very important again. But they are locked in for
Speaker 1: three years. So to me, what is important right now
Speaker 1: is get more people watching the show one way or
Speaker 1: the other. I want to see the numbers going up.
Speaker 1: So that's the story.
Speaker 10: It's nice to have a friend like David Zaslov. Like
Speaker 10: you said, WWE for years with Bonnie Hammer was a
Speaker 10: very important part of being a advocate for them. And
Speaker 10: obviously Tony Kahan has worked very closely with David Zaslov
Speaker 10: and has done everything he could to you know, put
Speaker 10: themselves in good graces and have Shark Week and do
Speaker 10: all of those sorts of things.
Speaker 1: Oh, let me jump in very quickly. They can continue.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. It is a four year deal. It is
Speaker 1: three guaranteed years and one option year, not two option years.
Speaker 10: So I apologize, and you know, it's it seems to
Speaker 10: be good across the board for everybody. Obviously, as long
Speaker 10: as you live in the United States. Everybody listening to
Speaker 10: us in Canada right now, they couldn't care less about
Speaker 10: any of this. But Dynamite and Collision airing Live on
Speaker 10: Max not going to bring in a whole lot more
Speaker 10: extra viewers or anything like that. But he gives you
Speaker 10: an option if you're traveling and are away from your
Speaker 10: area and can't access your provider for whatever reason. Plus
Speaker 10: it's great for people who are on the West Coast
Speaker 10: who want to watch the show live. They don't want
Speaker 10: to wait and be spoiled by anything that happens. Now
Speaker 10: they have that opportunity pay per Views eventually migrating over
Speaker 10: there at a discounted rate. Since you're already going to
Speaker 10: be paying for HBO Max anyway, it only makes sense
Speaker 10: for them to offer you a discounted rate. And it
Speaker 10: gives every other cable operator out there which WBD needs.
Speaker 10: It's not like you hear about WBD doing what ESPN
Speaker 10: wants to do and break off and eventually, you know,
Speaker 10: see the destruction of all cable operators and be their
Speaker 10: own entity. They still need cable operators and Payperview dot Com,
Speaker 10: which is owned by cable operators, needs content to put
Speaker 10: out there, So AW being an option for them, you know,
Speaker 10: that is important, and I would assume it's still going
Speaker 10: to be available on Triller TV as well as places
Speaker 10: like YouTube TV. Rampage going away is a good thing
Speaker 10: I think for everybody. If that gets replaced by a
Speaker 10: AW shockwave on a different network, we can cross that
Speaker 10: bridge when it comes. But across the board with the
Speaker 10: library being added to HBO Max, it's a winner for
Speaker 10: AW as far as financials go, it seems like it's
Speaker 10: a winner for fans in the United States who are
Speaker 10: fans of the product. And that's pretty much that. And
Speaker 10: as you mentioned, the ratings do need to increase because
Speaker 10: they need to create stars and get people watching again
Speaker 10: and make it musty TV again for themselves.
Speaker 1: All right, So I should mention, by the way, since
Speaker 1: somebody brought up where is one bill? Phil, I did
Speaker 1: tell you guys, it wasn't billion dollars a long long
Speaker 1: time ago, did I not? Okay, I have an announcement
Speaker 1: to make now back in a moment Observer Live.
Speaker 2: You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
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Speaker 1: In the show, Brian Elber is here Wrestling Observer Live.
Speaker 1: Mike smber vv also Wrestling Observer dot Com. Should note
Speaker 1: the next segment we will be joined by Max smash Master.
Speaker 1: You heard me, Max smash Master will be joining us
Speaker 1: here on the show. We got a lot to talk
Speaker 1: about with him today, so let's get this news going.
Speaker 1: Sammy Gevarro was injured at the Ring of Honor tapings.
Speaker 1: Actually Kelly Madden was as well. Both of them stretchered out,
Speaker 1: and I don't have an update on Kelly, but I
Speaker 1: was told that Sammy likely suffered a concussion but seemed
Speaker 1: to be okay later in terms of you know, he's
Speaker 1: headed to the hospital in the ICU or anything. It's
Speaker 1: never good when you get a concussion, but multiple people
Speaker 1: told me that he seemed okay.
Speaker 5: Was the was the word?
Speaker 1: The uh show itself in two and a half hours.
Speaker 1: It's a long show, and I think I need to
Speaker 1: talk about at least three things first. And I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on, Okay, So this Blackpool
Speaker 1: Combat Club deal, so John Moxley has been speaking in riddles, okay,
Speaker 1: And they did a segment early and then they came
Speaker 1: out after the main event and they're setting up John
Speaker 1: Moxley and Brian Danielson and John Moxley does his promo
Speaker 1: and he says, none of this is about me, none
Speaker 1: of this is what I wanted. I am fighting for
Speaker 1: something much bigger than myself. If any of this was
Speaker 1: about me, I'd have put you out of your misery
Speaker 1: years ago. And then EXCaliber said, who is forcing Moxley's
Speaker 1: hand in this? Okay? So this has led to all
Speaker 1: sorts of speculation that Shane McMahon is behind all of this. Okay. Now,
Speaker 1: this is what I can tell you. I can't tell
Speaker 1: you he's not. Okay, but you know, there was this
Speaker 1: Shane McMahon meeting with with Tony Kahan that got captured surreptitiously.
Speaker 1: There was the meeting Shane happened to run into Mercedes
Speaker 1: Mone Mercedes did an interview like yesterday saying I hope
Speaker 1: Shane McMahon comes to AW. The Young Bucks just happened
Speaker 1: to be on an airplane with him, and so like
Speaker 1: everybody is just they're all running with it. Okay. Now,
Speaker 1: I am not gonna say year and tell you that
Speaker 1: Shane McMahon is not going to AW. Okay, I don't
Speaker 1: know that, but I do not believe that there is
Speaker 1: any deal done between Shane McMahon and AW. I believe,
Speaker 1: I believe one hundred percent, okay, that the Young Bucks
Speaker 1: and Shane McMahon meeting was a coincidence. I believe one
Speaker 1: hundred percent the Shane McMahon Mercedes meeting was a coincidence.
Speaker 1: I have had people insist to me that the Shane
Speaker 1: McMahon and Tony Kahan picture was leaked, okay, and that
Speaker 1: they didn't mean it for it to get out. So
Speaker 1: Number one, I don't think they're shooting an angle that
Speaker 1: they are present that like the plan is for Shane
Speaker 1: McMahon to be involved when Shane McMahon does not have
Speaker 1: a deal with this company. I don't believe that, Okay.
Speaker 1: The other thing is like, just from a fan standpoint,
Speaker 1: have you been watching these Blackpool Combat Club videos and
Speaker 1: angles and everything, and have you seen like Shane McMahon's character,
Speaker 1: How would these things fit together? How? I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't buy it for a second. I don't know if
Speaker 1: ex Caliber was told to say that line. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he just said it from listening to moxing
Speaker 1: what he was saying. But I don't think that Shane
Speaker 1: McMahon is behind this brand new Blackpool Combat Club. Hey, listen,
Speaker 1: I didn't think he was coming back like eight years
Speaker 1: ago or whatever to WWE, and he did but I
Speaker 1: don't think that's what's going on here. I guess we'll see.
Speaker 10: Why can't you see it with Shane McMahon's character, considering
Speaker 10: he fancies himself a fighter, you know, with the.
Speaker 1: Quick his character is like the rich kid. He does
Speaker 1: a silly dance, he goes back and forth like that.
Speaker 10: I mean, come on, you're remembering the mean street posse
Speaker 10: version of Shane. But since that time, I.
Speaker 1: Mean comes out to the music and dances every time.
Speaker 10: Yes, he does, of course he does. Hector Macho Camacho
Speaker 10: would do that as well too. People come out and
Speaker 10: dance during their entrances before their fights. But this is
Speaker 10: the guy that pushed Raw underground. This is the guy
Speaker 10: that wanted to buy Pride. This was the guy that
Speaker 10: was interested in buying UFC and doing all of this
Speaker 10: stuff so to have a dark force of Moxley to
Speaker 10: be the leader of a group. I'm not saying that
Speaker 10: I'm endorsing it or I think it's going to happen,
Speaker 10: but I think you can portray Shane in that form.
Speaker 1: Now he's a comic book character, he's a cartoon Well,
Speaker 1: this BCC is like serious, deadly serious.
Speaker 10: Yes, Well, if Shane McMahon wearing all black as the benefactor,
Speaker 10: and we find out later on that the interview, you know,
Speaker 10: he tried to be nice to Tony Kahan and then
Speaker 10: he let the information out and that's the problem with
Speaker 10: this company, and you know what, we need to bring
Speaker 10: this back. That's why this thing needs to be fixed.
Speaker 10: And maybe that's why Moxley was nice to Jack Perry
Speaker 10: and didn't beat up the Young Bucks. Remember he walked
Speaker 10: by them, and maybe that would give a reason for
Speaker 10: the Young Bucks being vice presidents to actually have some
Speaker 10: gravity to it. So it's a lot of fantasy booking,
Speaker 10: but as far as putting him in and inserting him
Speaker 10: into something with Moxley or a group, I could.
Speaker 1: See that that can happen.
Speaker 10: I don't think.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 1: We had will Ospray and Ricochet for the international title,
Speaker 1: and like the match itself, it was funny because they
Speaker 1: used to work differently than they both work now, like
Speaker 1: six seven years ago, but the fans wanted a match
Speaker 1: between the two of them from six and seven years ago,
Speaker 1: so that's what they did. It was like a video game,
Speaker 1: all sorts of nuttiness and crazy high spots. And then
Speaker 1: I did not like thing with this show is I
Speaker 1: didn't like some of the finishes on this show. So
Speaker 1: the match is like great, and then they do the
Speaker 1: double pin finish. Ospray hits the hidden Blade falls on top,
Speaker 1: but both of their shoulders are down, and so it's
Speaker 1: ruled a draw, and the fans are furious. But listen, hey,
Speaker 1: sometimes you need to do a draw. Okay. So I
Speaker 1: would have ended it there. I would have had both
Speaker 1: guys want five more minutes and then Takesha comes in
Speaker 1: kills them and like there's heat on Takesha for ruining this.
Speaker 1: But instead they wanted more time, and so the Tony
Speaker 1: Kahan character said, this match will continue. So as soon
Speaker 1: as you do that, now you're kind of telling the fans, okay,
Speaker 1: you are going to get a finish, like we gave
Speaker 1: you a non finish, but this match must continue, so
Speaker 1: you're gonna get a finish. Wait, went about ninety seconds
Speaker 1: and then Kesh runs in and now we got.
Speaker 5: A d Q.
Speaker 1: Now the fans are really furious. So I would not
Speaker 1: have done it the exact way they did it. I
Speaker 1: was okay with a draw, and then somebody you know,
Speaker 1: screws it up, so there's not a three way but
Speaker 1: the way they did it just felt like once you
Speaker 1: once you restart the match, now it's like you're promising
Speaker 1: the fans something and then you immediately screwed them.
Speaker 10: That's not the end of the world, but it is
Speaker 10: one of those little things. They could have been made
Speaker 10: better just because of doing that.
Speaker 1: But it was a great match. And then obviously the
Speaker 1: main event was the Ryan Danielson Okada title versus title match,
Speaker 1: and again, like the match itself, it was really good.
Speaker 1: I would not call it like a great match. They
Speaker 1: were not. Both of them were not at their best here.
Speaker 1: But the story was both titles are on the line,
Speaker 1: but the continental titles only on the line for the
Speaker 1: first twenty minutes, and nobody is allowed to interfere only
Speaker 1: for the first twenty minutes because then it's not continental
Speaker 1: rules anymore. So first twenty minutes they do a match,
Speaker 1: and as soon as that a ring announcer said, we're
Speaker 1: at nineteen minutes, the fans started to get upset, and
Speaker 1: so it ends up going twenty minutes, which means the
Speaker 1: continental title is no longer on the line, and then
Speaker 1: they lost a lot of the heat because the fans knew,
Speaker 1: all right, well, Daniels is gonna win. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: not winning the continental title now, so he's gonna win
Speaker 1: the match, which is exactly what happened. They had Pak
Speaker 1: and Claudio come out, Ocad is distracted, Brian hits the
Speaker 1: backslide for the pin, and then afterwards, you know, the
Speaker 1: heels go after Brian and Wheeler runs down to make
Speaker 1: the save and they set up a tag team match.
Speaker 1: So the thing to me about this was that Moxley
Speaker 1: promo the beginning of the show. It was so bizarre.
Speaker 1: It was like all they did was talk about Moxley
Speaker 1: and Brian at Russel Dream. They didn't even mention. It
Speaker 1: was like they were in a universe where this main
Speaker 1: event never got booked. It was not acknowledged in any way.
Speaker 1: It was like, I'm coming to the pay per view
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna kill you, Brian Danielson. And so then
Speaker 1: they do this match here and you know, it's exactly
Speaker 1: as we said it was, and they do the angle
Speaker 1: afterwards for a tag match at the uh whatever they're
Speaker 1: calling it Title Tuesday, but there's no titles on the line,
Speaker 1: and this is leading to Wressel Dream, And to me,
Speaker 1: it was a match put together because they wanted Brian
Speaker 1: and Okada again, and man, I don't know. I talked
Speaker 1: about it yesterday, like what's the storyline with Daniel Brian
Speaker 1: is his next match is actual retirement. I mean I
Speaker 1: watched this match, and man, this guy is beat up.
Speaker 1: He did the run up the ropes backflip. I mean
Speaker 1: you could tell when he landed his knees or killing him.
Speaker 1: He did some other spot and he could just tell
Speaker 1: his knees were killing him on that spot. Like his
Speaker 1: neck is messed up. I've been told by people that
Speaker 1: like it's not like his head's about to fall off
Speaker 1: that bad, but this guy is so beat up and
Speaker 1: he's just a complete physical wreck, and they're playing it
Speaker 1: up like his first loss, he's never gonna wrestle again.
Speaker 1: And AW has always been big about stipulations. You know
Speaker 1: that Cody stipulation never challenge for the AW title again.
Speaker 1: And you know Brian himself and his as we talked
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Speaker 1: And the show brain Elver is here Wrestling Observer Alive
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Speaker 3: I'm trying to.
Speaker 1: Look at some numbers here, but let's do what's important.
Speaker 1: Max Smash Masters join us here today. Max, you are live.
Speaker 3: Hold on, let me turn up the radio so I
Speaker 3: can hear myself.
Speaker 1: No, turn your radio off.
Speaker 3: Turn it up, honey, turn it up?
Speaker 1: Hey, Max?
Speaker 3: Are you the man behind the news myself sound good?
Speaker 1: Are you the man behind the new Blackpool Combat Club
Speaker 1: or what?
Speaker 12: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I didn't want to bring it up, but I'm here
Speaker 3: to me.
Speaker 1: Wow, where have you been the second? It's been a
Speaker 1: long time since we've had you on this program. How
Speaker 1: are you doing good?
Speaker 3: You know, I'll go back into my normal human voice. Uh.
Speaker 3: I think the last time we talked him was during
Speaker 3: the pandemic and I had bought a wrestling school, which
Speaker 3: the horrible idea when there's no one able to wrestle.
Speaker 3: I think that was the last time we chatted.
Speaker 1: Good lord, it's been a long time now. Now how
Speaker 1: are you? How are you doing? I know for a
Speaker 1: while you were you had retired. Are you are you
Speaker 1: back or what's happening?
Speaker 3: I am back more part time than I was before.
Speaker 3: I had a bit of a heart condition, but the
Speaker 3: doctor said it was okay, So why not beat myself
Speaker 3: up a little bit more and put more stress on
Speaker 3: my wife? You know?
Speaker 1: So what happened with the heart condition?
Speaker 12: Nah?
Speaker 3: I mean, if you want me to get into it,
Speaker 3: I had a FIB, so technically I'll have it for
Speaker 3: the rest of my life. But I'm not in a FIB,
Speaker 3: which is basically, one of your valves doesn't pump the
Speaker 3: right way in your heart. I was supposed to have
Speaker 3: a match with Zach Saber Junior WrestleMania Weekend. I found
Speaker 3: out I had this. I found out I had blood
Speaker 3: pooling in my heart and wasn't able to pump it out,
Speaker 3: and that could have led to a stroke. So I
Speaker 3: had to cancel that match. And that's really what happened.
Speaker 3: But medicine and taking better care of myself is what's
Speaker 3: saved me.
Speaker 1: So you know, I gotta ask, you know, I always
Speaker 1: it's funny, Like from when I was a little kid,
Speaker 1: it's always been about, man, you don't want anything wrong
Speaker 1: with your heart, Like if something goes wrong with your heart,
Speaker 1: you will die. But then you get a little older
Speaker 1: and you really start thinking about it. It's like, well, if
Speaker 1: something went wrong with my kidneys, or my liver, or
Speaker 1: my brain or pretty much any organ, you need pretty
Speaker 1: much all of them, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's always pretty important.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're all kind of equally important. Even though you
Speaker 1: think that, like, well, without your heart you would be dead. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: without your kidneys you'd also be dead, or your liver whatever.
Speaker 3: Where the come from, you know exactly.
Speaker 1: But you know, the other thing is is like, you know,
Speaker 1: my my grandmother had a massive heart attack a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. Well she's fine now, yeah, she's it's crazy,
Speaker 1: she's fine now. But the point is like when it happened,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, man, you know, just out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: And then you talk to her and it's like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: I felt really I felt horrible, like all weekend, and
Speaker 1: I felt like she had all these symptoms that they
Speaker 1: she didn't tell us about. So like for you because
Speaker 1: sometimes you hear, you know, you hear the story about oh,
Speaker 1: you know, so and so had a massive heart attack
Speaker 1: and like they were running them, uh you know, just
Speaker 1: find them, and then later you find out, well, actually
Speaker 1: they had all these symptoms they didn't talk about. What
Speaker 1: did What did you notice leading up to your diagnosis?
Speaker 1: I mean, we like feeling terrible.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, this is great. Oh you know when your
Speaker 3: heart goes pump pump, yeah, pump pump. Mine would go
Speaker 3: like this pump, and then it would feel almost like
Speaker 3: a flutter, like it was trying to do something, like
Speaker 3: it was almost having a seizure. And I said, oh,
Speaker 3: that's probably.
Speaker 1: Not good, like every beat oh all day, oh man.
Speaker 3: They would get one good pump and then it wouldn't
Speaker 3: and then huh. I was like, I'll see how long
Speaker 3: I can last at this. Maybe it'll go away. You know,
Speaker 3: maybe I'm too stressed out at work. Whatever it was, well,
Speaker 3: it didn't go so I had to go to the doctor.
Speaker 5: Man oh man.
Speaker 1: And you know, I seem to recall you thought maybe
Speaker 1: it had something new with chops.
Speaker 3: I just said I wouldn't take any more chops.
Speaker 1: Well, sure, yeah, you certainly don't want to. Don't have
Speaker 1: a dull or elbows on you in successions.
Speaker 3: That too, that too.
Speaker 10: Nobody suggesting the ox Baker heart punch or anything. But
Speaker 10: what when you talked about finding out right before you
Speaker 10: were going to face Zach, say for Junior. How long
Speaker 10: before the weekend did you find out? And who discovered this?
Speaker 3: Uh So my wife made me go to the doctor,
Speaker 3: which is understandable. But all the travel was booked. I
Speaker 3: was flying down to Orlando. I can't remember what year.
Speaker 3: This was, probably twenty sixteen, Yeah, it was going down
Speaker 3: to Orlando just to have the match. Maybe twenty seventeen.
Speaker 3: I can't remember when it was, but but yeah, it
Speaker 3: was maybe two weeks before and I had to pull
Speaker 3: off and Quack and Bush filled in for me on
Speaker 3: that match, because I mean it was like it was
Speaker 3: very short notice.
Speaker 1: Now you obviously worked for Chakara, which was a very
Speaker 1: unique promotion, and now you have also created a very
Speaker 1: unique promotion.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I started a company mainly because obviously I
Speaker 3: love Chakara, I love my time there, I love the
Speaker 3: fan base, and that kind of just a world done
Speaker 3: to itself. I have a pro wrestling school, the New
Speaker 3: England Pro Wrestling Academy. It's you know, the lineage dates
Speaker 3: all the way back to Kilikwalski's. You know, we owned
Speaker 3: the rights of the Killikwalski School, a professional wrestling name.
Speaker 3: So I have students and I wanted to give them
Speaker 3: as many opportunities to do new things when they're you know,
Speaker 3: starting out their wrestling career. We have Chaotic Wrestling, which
Speaker 3: has been around for twenty two years. That's the mainstay
Speaker 3: in New England. Student's debut there. That's their home promotion.
Speaker 3: But we've been fortunate enough to do so well that
Speaker 3: we started another promotion, which is my promotion, which is
Speaker 3: called rad Pro Wrastling and rad pro Rastling takes place
Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety five. Oh the reason I did that
Speaker 3: is that it's a universe unto itself. All the characters
Speaker 3: are unique. I had Colt Cabana come in and play
Speaker 3: a baseball I'm sorry, a basketball character named Harvey Dunkleman,
Speaker 3: the dunk Master. I have Little Me and Kathleen, who's
Speaker 3: a wonderful wrestler out of the Northeast, very funny, very entertaining.
Speaker 3: She comes and she plays roberta ginger snap the Grizzled
Speaker 3: Gangs to Granny. So everyone comes in and plays a
Speaker 3: unique character and they get an extra rep doing something
Speaker 3: new and fun that they wouldn't be able to do elsewhere,
Speaker 3: as well as, hey, if you fail here, it's not
Speaker 3: your real character. It's not really going to step on
Speaker 3: the toes of your day to day persona or brand
Speaker 3: as some people like to call it.
Speaker 1: You know, we had a anniversary show and for the
Speaker 1: for the Bryan and Vinnie Show, and I went back
Speaker 1: and we did the show exactly like it was two
Speaker 1: thousand and five. So I found all these horrible mics
Speaker 1: and I didn't do any compression, and it sounded like atrocious,
Speaker 1: but it was like it was a show from two
Speaker 1: thousand and five, and people loved it and it was
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. I like found some shirts, like
Speaker 1: I actually still have shirts from two thousand and five
Speaker 1: that I wore and and it was it was it
Speaker 1: was fun.
Speaker 3: So like I wish I could send into a shirt
Speaker 3: from two thousand and five.
Speaker 1: Well, so, so with your with your promotion with rad
Speaker 1: pro Wrastling, I mean, how how nineteen ninety five are
Speaker 1: we talking here? I mean is there a lot of neon?
Speaker 1: I mean, do you go all the way or is
Speaker 1: it just well a vibe of ninety five where you
Speaker 1: got wacky characters and such.
Speaker 3: At the at the beginning of the show, we do
Speaker 3: a quick little time travel back, you know. We picked
Speaker 3: some sort of nostalgia you know trigger where we go
Speaker 3: back back in time to nineteen ninety five. All the
Speaker 3: music is from ninety five. Next year it will be
Speaker 3: ninety six. We actually started in ninety four, so it
Speaker 3: progresses naturally. And then right our website is straight out
Speaker 3: of nineteen ninety five radprowrastling dot com. I painstakingly put
Speaker 3: together the roster page to look like a street Fighter two.
Speaker 3: You know, so you pick your character. They're a cartoon
Speaker 3: and then it pops up as the wrestling character. You know,
Speaker 3: all the characters are based in nineteen ninety five. We
Speaker 3: do our best to not do any references or music
Speaker 3: or anything that would show you that it is, you know,
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. So we do our best. It is.
Speaker 3: It's difficult, but we do our best to make sure
Speaker 3: it has the essence of the nineties.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the website right now. It is amazing.
Speaker 1: Is it hosted on cities?
Speaker 3: I try to it doesn't exist anymore.
Speaker 1: Oh that's too bad. Yeah, this is this is total
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five. I mean, there's a lot of Neon.
Speaker 1: It's it looks like actually looks like my public access
Speaker 1: TV show they did in nineteen five.
Speaker 3: That was that was what I And I've never built
Speaker 3: the website, so I figured if I bit, if I
Speaker 3: built it, it would be like a Geo city site. Sure.
Speaker 1: Now, now the question, I guess the question about the
Speaker 1: action because there's a clip here of a guy doing
Speaker 1: an OSII moon salt. I mean, is nobody allowed to
Speaker 1: do Canadian destroyers because they have not been invented yet?
Speaker 3: Yes, certain things. Yes, the piles driver is illegal. Uh
Speaker 3: Channing Thomas, who's a wonderful wrestler. He is, actually he
Speaker 3: plays a character named Angelo Intellect. He's an android and
Speaker 3: he gets upgraded every every show by his I guess
Speaker 3: it's manager Sydney Baccabella, who plays Wally Dangas. He's a
Speaker 3: computer genius.
Speaker 1: Wally Dangas shouldn't be Willie Dangas.
Speaker 3: No, No, his name is Walter Wally. Okay, sorry, don't
Speaker 3: be crude, all right, and.
Speaker 1: Don't be crude. You've got the breakroom here. I'm looking.
Speaker 1: I'm looking right now at a team called the breakroom.
Speaker 1: You're telling me not to be crude.
Speaker 3: What I mean? What the breakroom?
Speaker 1: Yes, this is very crude. Name is Todd Do do?
Speaker 3: Todd do do?
Speaker 1: Come? Stop? Stop anyway? Go ahead?
Speaker 3: Uh so yeah, And he glitches out every once in
Speaker 3: a while and he hits the pile driver. And I
Speaker 3: believe he may be going for the Rad Pro Championship
Speaker 3: at our mainstay show in December, which is Forever Rad
Speaker 3: ninety five. And last year in Forever Rat ninety four,
Speaker 3: I had Todd Pengill.
Speaker 9: Do the I was gonna say.
Speaker 10: I had to ask, I gotta ask this. How many
Speaker 10: people from nineteen nine have Christian New York and Joey Matthews.
Speaker 10: Are they going to be there in a ladder match?
Speaker 10: And all these other things we saw back in nineteen
Speaker 10: ninety five on the indies.
Speaker 1: That seems. That seems I am.
Speaker 3: Working so hard on getting Crowbar to be Devin Storm.
Speaker 3: I just need to I need to have him commit
Speaker 3: so he can come in and be Devin Storm for me. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm working on it.
Speaker 1: This this roster page here, I mean, yes they are.
Speaker 1: They're all about eight bit graphics. They all look like
Speaker 1: filthy Tom Lawler to me, but it does appear any
Speaker 1: of them are. And uh and there's also a character
Speaker 1: in the upper right who appears to be dead.
Speaker 5: It says he came.
Speaker 3: Back to life. Anthony Green. He plays a character.
Speaker 1: He's back to.
Speaker 3: Life cat Kid's age.
Speaker 1: I know he was.
Speaker 3: Pile driven by Angelo intellect and he lost one of
Speaker 3: his nine lives.
Speaker 5: Yes, oh my god.
Speaker 10: You have the ghost of Dennis Corluzzo and Tony Rumble
Speaker 10: show up at you never.
Speaker 3: Know, too soon, too soon.
Speaker 1: I can't help but know that you have three officials
Speaker 1: listed to the bottom. And if I didn't know any better,
Speaker 1: they're all the same guy with a different haircut.
Speaker 3: Basic. Well, that's what officials are. They're different heights. You
Speaker 3: can't tell by the by the the little image that's there. Okay,
Speaker 3: one of them is a lady.
Speaker 1: Well, I do see the lady. But the three guys,
Speaker 1: it's like, that's the same guy. It's just that guy's
Speaker 1: got hair, that guy's kind of bald, and that guy
Speaker 1: is completely bald. Well, I didn't know. Maybe they actually
Speaker 1: wore the same guy. That'd be clever.
Speaker 10: Why don't we turn back?
Speaker 1: You have three referees and like they're all the same guy,
Speaker 1: but they each have a different wig.
Speaker 10: I need, I need.
Speaker 3: That would take me some money on reps.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you had two Hebner's.
Speaker 9: In the nineties, the ICW whatever it was, TV title,
Speaker 9: Why don't you go up there and defend that and
Speaker 9: you can go through the gauntlet of referees Brian.
Speaker 1: The ic wic w a textar Canta TELEVI entitled well
Speaker 1: I'm injured and I'm old and I'm retired, so that.
Speaker 10: No, no, no, I'm not stepping there. We're back in
Speaker 10: nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 1: Sheep not to mention. The only thing I do is
Speaker 1: chops and Max doesn't want to take any chops.
Speaker 3: Oh, you can wrestle somewhere someone else.
Speaker 1: Who wants to do that?
Speaker 10: LM about your side.
Speaker 1: I only wrestle people I trust this point.
Speaker 3: Oh, you don't trust my students.
Speaker 1: Which is very I've wrestled plenty of students. Max, no offense.
Speaker 1: I would much rather wrestle you. Stand by everybody back
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Speaker 1: joining us. Just had your former partner on a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago. Fine, gentlemen, my brother, yes, but we
Speaker 1: got two minutes here, so let's get some plugs in
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 3: First, if you need to be a professional wrestler. You
Speaker 3: want to be a professional wrestler, go to New England
Speaker 3: Pro Wrestling or New England Pro damn it New. I
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Speaker 1: Professional wrest did you say, n E Pro Wrestling dot Com,
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Speaker 3: Had to redo it.
Speaker 1: Oh god.
Speaker 13: You know.
Speaker 1: I had a great idea during the break, Max, which
Speaker 1: is one of these days that Vinnie and I need
Speaker 1: to review one of these shows.
Speaker 3: Oh boy, I love that. That would be the world
Speaker 3: to me. And if people want to watch them for themselves,
Speaker 3: they can go to IWTV dot com and watch it
Speaker 3: on Indie Wrestling Television.
Speaker 1: Yeah, checking out everybody. There's two seasons. It looks like
Speaker 1: the ninety five and the ninety six, and.
Speaker 3: You can nty.
Speaker 1: Four ninety five. I apologize and you can follow along
Speaker 1: as they travel through the years. Radpro Wrestling dot Com. Max,
Speaker 1: I want to thank you so much in the show today.
Speaker 1: We're totally out of time, but I appreciate it. Hopefully
Speaker 1: we'll do this within four years like we didn't fast time.
Speaker 1: But thank you, thank you all the best, and that's it, everybody,
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