WEBVTT - JD "Wife Guy" Vance 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:01.000 Celebrity. 0:00:05.960 --> 0:00:10.280 Hi, Welcome to Barron four DC's premiere Gastro Wine Pub. 0:00:10.560 --> 0:00:12.200 Welcome to the Urban Vineyard. 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:15.480 Hi, I have a reservation under Usha Vance. It's a 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:17.200 party of two. That's me. I'm Usha. 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:21.560 Oh yes, right this way. Your friend is already here. 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:22.239 Follow me. 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:33.440 Wonderful Usha, you look beautiful. 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:42.040 Amy Fuckingchua, you bitch, come here, get in. Oh, Sid 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:44.920 you were always me and JD's favorite professor at Yale 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:45.520 School of Law. 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:47.199 Oh stop it? 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:47.879 Can I say this? 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:51.760 You guys had such a love story and to see 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:55.120 it playing out now in American politics, a real couple, 0:00:56.040 --> 0:00:58.920 really in love, real values. 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:00.000 It's beautiful. 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:02.440 Thank you. No. I've always said I think we represent 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:06.400 the American dream. Me an upper middle class Indian American 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:11.040 from San Diego and him this crazy, round faced hillbilly. 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:17.640 Oh it's crazy because he's from the hills, dirty dirty hills. 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:17.639 So hilly. 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:21.600 Oh can we get your Pino? 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:26.360 Nuwas from the Willamette value. Pino's okay for you? Oh sure, 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:27.120 and that's you. 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:29.080 You wanted a Pino grease or something. 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:29.640 No. 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:33.600 I think noir is totally fine. This. Yeah, I love 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:34.319 all colors. 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:35.720 Great. 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:39.360 I have to ask how often do you two make 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:42.640 love with everything that's going on right now in your careers? 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:45.200 Now that we're out of the classroom, I can ask this. 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:47.840 It's you know, it's crazy, just uh, you know, he 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:51.600 just took this job with Peter Teel, which is so exciting. Peter, 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:54.120 and I know we sent you a copy of one 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:56.320 of the arcs of Hillbilly Elogy. Did you get it? 0:01:56.480 --> 0:02:01.360 Yes, yes, it's at my office, but I have actually been. 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:02.640 Because we were hoping you could maybe write a blurb. Yes, 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:04.160 and we're having sex twice a week. 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:06.240 By the way, oh shell us. 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:12.680 Yeah, I mean you know, y yeah. Totally satisfying, totally missionary, 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:13.720 and that's. 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:14.000 What I find. 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:17.000 It's connecting, you know, no matter if it's good or 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:19.880 really bad, as long as you keep it up. 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:22.280 It's about eye contact or and sometimes it's also not 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:23.200 about eye contact. 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:25.880 I could see him as someone who closes his eyes 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:29.440 one eye, keeps one eye open. Oh, thank you, thank 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:33.320 you anyway, Sorry, Usha, No, I can't wait to read 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:35.280 the book. But if you want to summarize, just the 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:36.320 highlights to me. 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:38.840 Okay, So basically it's kind of his memoir. 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:41.800 Right, Okay, So it's about growing up dirt poor. 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:49.280 The mother was obese, a right middleweight middleweight and addicted. 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:54.800 Yes, yes, yeah, it's really tough, fair and it's an 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:57.400 American story, yes, which I know you love. 0:02:57.600 --> 0:03:01.400 I love American stories. I am a daughter of immigrants, 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:02.359 I amma Patriot. 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:04.840 And then it ends with him going to Yale as patriot. 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:05.480 I'm meeting you. 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:08.720 That's so wonderful. Yeah, it's kind of an arc from 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:12.000 Hill to me. Yes, yes, okay, I you know what 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:13.800 I mean. I'm gonna read it, but I don't need 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:18.640 I'm I'm so thrilled and excited to write a blurb. 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:21.919 Amy count me, Amy, I knew could count on you. 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:23.960 Cheers to the upcoming blurb. 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:25.120 Cheers to the blurb. 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:29.600 So how often are you are you making love with 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:30.800 your professor husband? 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:34.720 Who's that knocking at the door. 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:37.880 It's all your friends, you filthy whore. Your husband's gone, 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:40.360 and we've got books and a bottle of wine to kill. 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:46.200 It's Hollywood, it's books, it's gossip. I'm sure it's memoirs. Martini. 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:49.880 Celebrity Club. 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:52.080 Read it while it's hot. 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:58.240 Celebrity Club, tell your secrets. We won't talk celebrity books. 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:03.520 No boys are allowed, say it loud and. 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:06.960 Clubs spuzz me in. 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:08.160 I brought the queer foe. 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:10.840 Hey, best friend, how are you? 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:13.840 I am doing really well. 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:15.840 It's been a crazy week for us so far. 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:17.880 It's been insane. We've been like actual like. 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:18.960 Coworkers this week. 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:21.240 No, because we have so many different events all around 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:23.320 the city that we're like going together. We had meetings. 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:27.719 We had meetings and by the way, you guys listen 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:29.800 to Seeking Derangements. 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:31.880 With Ben with Ben Moore, a really funny podcast. We 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:35.080 went through all these different like kind of cultural topics 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:36.600 and decided whether or not they were gay. 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:39.440 I mean, can you imagine it's us commenting and riffing 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:41.080 on the LGBTQ plus. 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:43.800 Yeah. One of them was like when your shoes squeak? 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:46.760 Is that something gay guys do right? Right? And you'll 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:48.279 have to listen to that episode to see where we 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:49.120 come down on that topic. 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:52.680 Okay, After that, though, we had these insane dumplings. 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:54.160 Oh my god, the dumplings were so good. 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:58.039 They were so good. It was very thin dough I 0:04:58.080 --> 0:04:58.760 will say. 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:02.880 Yeah, crispy, but not too oily. No, they don't remember 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:05.880 what it's called. Search time. Winie Zumpling is on Mott. Yeah, 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:08.040 that's where I love this city because it's like later 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:10.080 that day I went to a place a Stereophonic on 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:12.880 Broadway three and a half hours long, I'm not even 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:15.280 joking you, and it was great. It was fun. It's 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:17.560 all about music, and it was like it's a record 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:20.600 and it's like a seventies band. It's like the stages 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:22.160 like it's like a recording student. It's like there's the 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:23.760 engineer and then they're in the booth and it's a 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:25.840 lot of like going back and forth between the booth 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:27.680 and like you're hearing the like Mike turn on and 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:28.360 they're fine, oh. 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:32.360 Wait, so it's so hey, Darryl, let's try that again. Button. 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:34.800 It's all that, Okay, the whole the whole thing is 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:37.440 just like I'm getting a rattle on the snare and 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:40.360 like it's really specific and like they're restarting the song 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:43.039 like seven times and you're like, wow, I'm really like there. 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:46.200 I mean, it is my dream actually to do what 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:48.520 our producer kind of a boo is doing, to sit 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:52.320 behind a board yeah and just press being like let's 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:55.560 actually try the last song. Yeah, let's try Crying from 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:56.200 Mothers Boo. 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:58.559 I'd love if you did more knob fiddly and telling 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:03.480 us to retake throughout the episode. But then this is 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:05.359 why I love New York and it always surprises you. 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:09.280 Because I saw Nev Campbell in line for the show 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:09.920 that I was in. 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:12.839 That's insane because it's like that is not a New 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:15.480 York exciting No, like she is La. 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:19.080 She looked amazing. She's amazing. 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:21.760 See. Yeah, every time I'm in a pool, I do 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:25.159 a Nev Campbell. She's so babysitter to me, like hot, 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:28.040 she's hot babysitter because it's the brunette of it all. 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:30.880 I think, yeah, yeah, big naturals. 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:31.320 Yeah. 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:33.240 Do you think she had fake boobs seeing her? Or 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:33.920 do you think they were? 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:36.000 It was definitely in like a play blazer, so I 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:37.640 really couldn't tell. 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:39.440 You about Oh wait, what are you wearing right now? 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:39.719 Steven? 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:42.960 Speaking of playblazers, it was such an amazing interesting I. 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:46.640 Was really called the iHeart Studio and I literally went 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:51.840 hunting the food iHeart offices and found a girl's white 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:54.040 Urban Outfitters cardigan that was on the back of her 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:56.760 chair that was like an unmanned desk. And I really 0:06:56.839 --> 0:06:58.960 hope that she's not in the office and coming back today. 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:02.800 No, and Stephen starts like panicked, looking at like girls chairs, 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:05.600 being like, who can I like steal from? And this 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:07.800 is why we have to watch out for gay men. 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:12.200 Okay, Hyena, It's like this big window. If she walks 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:14.440 by the booth and sees me in her urban outfitters 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:16.560 white card again, like, it's gonna be so awkward, and 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:21.000 she shivering, she's pounding on the window. 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:23.320 And you're just like middle fingers. 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:26.000 And then after a sign of Campbell, I went to 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:29.640 this like cool speakeasy called Bar Central that's like behind 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:34.240 an unmarked townhouse door. It's like a midtime establishment. And 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:35.920 Karen Coulkin was there. Wow. 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:37.720 Yeah, now he's New York. 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:39.480 Yeah, he's very New York. 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:43.760 Mind you. The night before it's madness Monday night. 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:44.640 Who did we see? 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:45.280 Who did we see? 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:46.200 At the same restaurant? 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:50.640 Mother Christine Baranski, Ross Matthews on a date with his 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:54.960 small husband, and Ross Matthews is looking small himself. 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:57.480 Zempig down boots and then Michael Yuri. 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:00.320 At a large dinner of friends. 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:02.400 Yes, and I think it was a birthday because they 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:04.240 brought over like some sort of cake. Yeah. 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:06.960 One note about Ross Matthews, I actually think he's like 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:09.679 pre ozempic thinned. I think he is like lap band. 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:13.000 I saw an article about this, okay, because I was curious, 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:17.600 and it was like Ross Matthews lost weight, not on ozempic, 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:20.360 and I was like, because I do think that sounds 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:21.280 like you lost them on. 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:23.520 He's been thin for a while though in a pre 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:24.520 ozempic way. 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:26.600 But Osmpic's been out for like a year and a half. 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:28.360 Now, that's what I'm saying for a while. 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:30.960 I think he's been thin now for like time fly 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:33.040 has band you three years? 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:37.680 Lap band, classic, lap, classic lap. You know who hasn't 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:39.920 had lap band surgery? 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:46.920 My knowledge, no, he doesn't because he taught himself even 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:50.440 as a out of shape teen you can run. 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:52.920 But you can run, yes, And then by eighteen he 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:58.480 was doing a three mile run in nineteen minutes, which 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:01.560 is about like six twenty pm, which is pretty good. 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:02.440 Anyway. 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:06.880 You probably know who we're we're talking about. We're talking 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:09.640 about none other childless cat Lady. 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:12.880 The child is cat Lady himself. You know him from 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:16.640 his epic run for vice president, which is currently ongoing. 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:22.280 You know him from being an amazing Christian father, husband. 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:29.600 For Marine Corps member, Ohio senator, former venture capitalist. 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:31.520 Famous fake hillbilly. 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:34.840 Some may say, ladies and gentlemen, we are talking about 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:40.640 none other then J. D. Van and his Booklegy part 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:41.520 of it. 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:44.320 It's crazy because like this book is so. 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:50.079 Twenty fifteen, I know, and yet here we are now 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:51.320 and he's back in the vix. 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:55.679 I mean, I will say, this election feels very twenty sixteen, 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:59.199 so it's kind of like it doesn't really actually feel 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:02.600 that off. It's like we are looping down boots. 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:04.960 So we're bringing back the twenty fifteen of it all. 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:07.280 It's literally the same. And like Kamala is being so 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:11.440 Hillary and just like straight up heading for a loss. 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:13.640 I guess my, you're always saying this, and it's like 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:17.160 my thing about why it's so much more twenty twenty 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:21.559 four is because Kamala is Camo and not doing wine glasses. 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:26.200 That's the difference, Bet Camo. Kamala is brat and Camo. 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:27.520 I don't know if you've heard of this. 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:30.160 What's the Camo as well? 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:33.080 We got hello her Harris Walls, real tree hats. 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:34.320 Oh the real tree hat. Okay, sorry. 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:37.600 The twenty twenty four is Kamala doing real tree hats 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:38.600 as opposed. 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:40.160 To Yes, I know, they're a little bit more like 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:41.400 self aware. 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:47.200 And like Hillary was more like stemless glass ceiling. No. 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:49.560 I mean, Kamala's not talking about the glass ceiling as 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:53.240 much for sure, but she still is like running a 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:58.520 campaign of like incredible vagueness Donald Donald, And we'll get 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:00.720 into it. And I think there's still like basically this 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:05.040 kind of same over confidence and like kind of coastal 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:07.480 elite energy that's not going to be embraced by the 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:08.640 people of Ohio. 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:12.480 No, but we're about to get into our coastal elitism yea. 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:14.880 And I can tell you're in your Kenny Chesney shirt. 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:16.320 You're ready to you know what. 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:18.680 I didn't even wear this like intentionally because like I'm 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:21.640 just so real, I'm just so American that I throw on. 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:24.960 It's just so funny because it's like here you are, 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:27.240 You're trying to be country, and. 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:28.600 Yet I wear a women's face. 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:31.800 You know, my outfit actually today may look very coastal 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:32.640 elite because. 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:34.760 It's a dky vintage shirt that you got off of 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:35.400 and I but. 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:38.840 I'm actually wearing jeans made in fucking America from a 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:40.760 North Carolina denim mill. 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:45.719 So yeah, everyone just let that settle in. It's called oak. 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:49.600 Cone Denim, oak Cone, oak Cone, and it is one 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:53.199 of the last US denim factories. 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:55.160 I'd love if you could get me a list of 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:57.439 all the dnivities in the US on my desk. 0:11:57.559 --> 0:11:59.880 And I'm just like, oak Cone didn't come off it, 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:01.840 Bill Billy Elergy, which. 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:07.360 Is just so you're waiting for. I think what is 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:10.079 is actually quite positive. The fact that Jade Vance is 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:12.120 the vice posidential candidate right now is the fact that 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:14.920 he's literally famous for writing a book. Well that will 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:18.160 say Americans don't read, but it's like, it's very rare 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:20.040 that we read a book on this podcast with someone 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:22.000 who is famous for the book they wrote. 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:26.440 Yeah, It's like, maybe, actually Kamala should have been Liz Gilbert, 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:30.480 which would have been the answer to Hillbilly ellergy oh, someone. 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:32.319 Famous for a book, Liz Gilbert and. 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:36.680 Walls Gilbert Walls. That's like a landslide electoral college. 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:39.680 Yeah, and I just feel like she might have had 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:41.840 more of a plan and honestly may have been more 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:44.120 hashtag brave, hashtag wild. 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:49.560 Okay, so yeah, Soilly Elergy, you remember the book came out. 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:52.160 I mean I think, like you really see in this book, 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:55.480 which we will talk about. Yeah, like his transformation to 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:59.160 like pro trumpert is so cynical, and it is like, right, it's. 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:01.680 So like Facin said, Yeah, his whole thing is like 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:07.319 my grandparents tried to escape Appalachia to give us a 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:11.800 better life, but actually we were just in like abandoned 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:15.400 industrial suburban America and we all donision to her when 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:20.040 and it's rust belt and so so it's kind of 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:23.160 like I'll do whatever I can to become the coastal 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:27.920 elites I resent while I can still claim being a hillbilly. Yes, 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:30.800 when if you go on you know, Appalachia read it. 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:32.240 They don't claim him. 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:37.400 No, And he basically became super embraced by liberals and 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:39.880 conservatives when this book came out as like being the 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:46.160 Appalachia whisperer and being like mister Sage white trash right, 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:49.240 like who knows all about like poor white people and 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:50.840 why they would have for Trump and ever Room was 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:55.760 just like oh so interesting, fascinating, And you know you 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:58.080 see that in the book, the way that like coastal 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:00.160 elites look at him as like an object of the 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:03.000 nation when he goes to Yale and like he still 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:06.240 is that for people, or was until he became. 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:07.720 Like so childless cat lady. 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:10.440 So like this pro Trump like running for Senate and 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:10.840 you can. 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:13.200 See it in the blurbs. There's so many blurbs. 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:15.240 The movie was directed by like Ron Howard, like the 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:19.000 most like Hilary Codd director. I would say, it's like Americana. 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:21.240 We'll get into the movie and yeah, I. 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:24.680 Feel like it's lucky what this book did for like 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:28.800 gen X to boomer liberals, it like gave them an 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:32.760 excuse to believe what they believe that like Southerners are 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:35.120 white trash. Yeah, and they were like, oh, but this 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:39.480 guy is from this area, so I also can say right. 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:41.480 And it's like the whole thing is like Cols elites 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:44.440 look at the middle of the country with mostly disdain, 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:47.480 and like they can pick up on the parts of 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:50.640 this book that allow you to look at poor people 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:51.920 with disdain, but. 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:53.280 They can say they read the book and they're like, 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:56.440 it's a really interesting story. 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:58.880 Because actually I think a lot of this book is 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:01.760 very middle of the roads. You could see this book, 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:03.480 like most of what he says in this book coming 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:06.760 from Bill Clinton or Michelle Obama or anyone. And it's 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:09.480 like there's like a bootstrappiness to him, which is like, 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:13.080 you know, basically like right center conservative, but like there's 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:15.440 also a lot of ways you could draw conclusion from 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:18.360 the book that are pretty like pro status and pro 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:24.640 like let's have more government support for like these various demographics. 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:26.880 Which is what he said his mema is basically like 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:29.680 he was like one day she'd be like basically like 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:32.040 a Marxist, and like the next day she'd be like 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:35.960 the most like insane conservative. Where it's like, I mean, 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:38.600 this book is also very just like already so made 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:41.200 for him to be a politician because it's talking about 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:43.760 the most random story in the most random town where 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:47.000 he's like, and I once worked at a tile factory 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:51.200 in Tuckaluca, Ohio, and a man it's always a man 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:54.760 I talked to. It's like never like his friend and 0:15:54.800 --> 0:16:00.080 he's like, and this guy he took really long bathroom breaks. Yeah, 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:04.200 and that's because our generation they do not want to 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:06.600 work like my parents' generation. 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:08.680 You know, because it dovetails. It's so crazy. This immigration 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:12.280 story is focusing on Ohio, where he's from, but like 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:14.800 the whole thing about the town in Ohio that's like 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:16.960 has so many Haitian immigrants. Is it's like there is 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:20.840 all this resentment from the poor working class white people 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:23.360 who are so Hillbilies and they're so math and like 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:25.520 they're either like so obese or like so creepily thin 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:28.880 and wearing a big T shirt, like and they're all 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:32.400 just being like these Haitians are taken our jobs, and 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:35.360 like the Haitians like are like getting these like new 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:36.760 factory jobs that are coming back. 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:39.960 But like I gut JD's point, which I think is true. 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:43.320 He's just like the white people don't want those jobs 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:45.120 and they're not wing. 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:47.000 And that's true, Like he's right about that. But it's 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:49.280 like those are bad jobs. And this is I think 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:51.800 we're all call out the liberal New York Times for 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:55.520 being like these are wonderful jobs. Oh yeah, and it's 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:58.840 like they barely pay minimum wage, like they're not this book. Also, 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:01.040 imigrants are desperate. 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:05.040 For like moms just learning that like maybe hold on, 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:07.640 we shouldn't send all of our kids to like really 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:11.400 expensive colleges and being like we need to like send 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:12.720 them back to trade school. 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:15.320 Yeah, I mean that's the classic like middle of the 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:18.119 world Republican things. Yeah, re election cycle to be like 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:20.240 what about vocational. 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:21.200 Trade, what about trade school? 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:23.280 What about TVVC are repair? 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:24.560 What about hvacs? 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:27.959 Why aren't there? Why are we not opening more HVAC schools? 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:30.880 Open the HVAC schools now. 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:34.520 No, but obviously everyone doesn't need to be a lawyer. 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:37.640 No, and also not everyone in Ohio. 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:41.640 It also like allows like coastally white people to be like, oh, 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:44.680 poor white people in Ohio, you should be like grateful 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:48.960 to like go back to like the Tamu factory. 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:52.760 Oh exactly. And the fact that like China is straight 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:55.720 up now opening Tamu factories in Ohio. It's just like, girl, 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:58.040 that's not good, like they are making us they're China 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:00.639 now because they're just being like, oh the labors sheep here. 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:02.520 Right, Which I did want to kind of call it 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:05.480 how the Key misses and he loves like his childhood 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:08.560 at like in Kentucky at the Lakes and how like 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:11.680 Middletown like didn't do that firm and like in the movie, 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:14.080 like he's catching a turtle and like. 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:16.320 Yeah, they're swimming at a swamp and. 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:19.359 Yeah, it's all this like nature idealism. And then no, 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:24.240 mention of the environmental destruction of or of all the 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:30.320 steel factories and like cancer poisoning that's going on, and the. 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:33.399 Life expensy of these like white working class communities is 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:36.760 actually sixty four because they're eating Pillsbury and doing meth 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:39.040 And it's like, well, what about all the coal that 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:41.480 has like just families. 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:46.360 Since conveniently loves to ignore a lot of like structural 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:49.960 societal things that are happening in like kind of seemingly 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:53.200 put it all on like personal responsibility. At the same time, though, 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:55.960 as you read the book, you're like, he's basically describing 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:58.000 a culture that's very hard to get out of, and 0:18:58.040 --> 0:19:00.159 he's saying that it's like all your fault. It's not 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:01.800 all your fault, Like there is this schizophy. 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:04.119 He has a side if it's not all your fault, 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:06.480 which is like nice to hear, but then he will 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:09.800 be which some culture criticism, which I do think is 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:12.119 true about how like we all need big TV's and 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:14.120 going to debt on buying big TV's. 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:15.160 Oh yeah, no, any mean. 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:18.840