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Speaker 1: Celebrity.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Welcome to Barron four DC's premiere Gastro Wine Pub.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Urban Vineyard.

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Speaker 4: Hi, I have a reservation under Usha Vance. It's a

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Speaker 4: party of two. That's me. I'm Usha.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, right this way. Your friend is already here.

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Speaker 2: Follow me.

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Speaker 3: Wonderful Usha, you look beautiful.

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Speaker 4: Amy Fuckingchua, you bitch, come here, get in. Oh, Sid

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Speaker 4: you were always me and JD's favorite professor at Yale

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Speaker 4: School of Law.

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Speaker 2: Oh stop it?

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Speaker 3: Can I say this?

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Speaker 2: You guys had such a love story and to see

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Speaker 2: it playing out now in American politics, a real couple,

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Speaker 2: really in love, real values.

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Speaker 3: It's beautiful.

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Speaker 4: Thank you. No. I've always said I think we represent

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Speaker 4: the American dream. Me an upper middle class Indian American

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Speaker 4: from San Diego and him this crazy, round faced hillbilly.

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Speaker 2: Oh it's crazy because he's from the hills, dirty dirty hills.

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Speaker 4: So hilly.

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Speaker 3: Oh can we get your Pino?

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Speaker 2: Nuwas from the Willamette value. Pino's okay for you? Oh sure,

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Speaker 2: and that's you.

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Speaker 3: You wanted a Pino grease or something.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 4: I think noir is totally fine. This. Yeah, I love

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Speaker 4: all colors.

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Speaker 3: Great.

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Speaker 2: I have to ask how often do you two make

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Speaker 2: love with everything that's going on right now in your careers?

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Speaker 2: Now that we're out of the classroom, I can ask this.

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Speaker 4: It's you know, it's crazy, just uh, you know, he

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Speaker 4: just took this job with Peter Teel, which is so exciting. Peter,

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Speaker 4: and I know we sent you a copy of one

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Speaker 4: of the arcs of Hillbilly Elogy. Did you get it?

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it's at my office, but I have actually been.

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Speaker 4: Because we were hoping you could maybe write a blurb. Yes,

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Speaker 4: and we're having sex twice a week.

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Speaker 2: By the way, oh shell us.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you know, y yeah. Totally satisfying, totally missionary,

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Speaker 4: and that's.

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Speaker 3: What I find.

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Speaker 2: It's connecting, you know, no matter if it's good or

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Speaker 2: really bad, as long as you keep it up.

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Speaker 4: It's about eye contact or and sometimes it's also not

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Speaker 4: about eye contact.

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Speaker 2: I could see him as someone who closes his eyes

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Speaker 2: one eye, keeps one eye open. Oh, thank you, thank

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Speaker 2: you anyway, Sorry, Usha, No, I can't wait to read

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Speaker 2: the book. But if you want to summarize, just the

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Speaker 2: highlights to me.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So basically it's kind of his memoir.

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Speaker 3: Right, Okay, So it's about growing up dirt poor.

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Speaker 2: The mother was obese, a right middleweight middleweight and addicted.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yeah, it's really tough, fair and it's an

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Speaker 4: American story, yes, which I know you love.

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Speaker 2: I love American stories. I am a daughter of immigrants,

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Speaker 2: I amma Patriot.

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Speaker 4: And then it ends with him going to Yale as patriot.

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Speaker 4: I'm meeting you.

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Speaker 2: That's so wonderful. Yeah, it's kind of an arc from

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Speaker 2: Hill to me. Yes, yes, okay, I you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean. I'm gonna read it, but I don't need

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm so thrilled and excited to write a blurb.

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Speaker 4: Amy count me, Amy, I knew could count on you.

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Speaker 4: Cheers to the upcoming blurb.

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Speaker 3: Cheers to the blurb.

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Speaker 4: So how often are you are you making love with

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Speaker 4: your professor husband?

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Speaker 1: Who's that knocking at the door.

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Speaker 4: It's all your friends, you filthy whore. Your husband's gone,

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Speaker 4: and we've got books and a bottle of wine to kill.

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Speaker 1: It's Hollywood, it's books, it's gossip. I'm sure it's memoirs. Martini.

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Speaker 1: Celebrity Club.

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Speaker 2: Read it while it's hot.

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Speaker 1: Celebrity Club, tell your secrets. We won't talk celebrity books.

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Speaker 2: No boys are allowed, say it loud and.

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Speaker 1: Clubs spuzz me in.

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Speaker 2: I brought the queer foe.

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Speaker 4: Hey, best friend, how are you?

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Speaker 3: I am doing really well.

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Speaker 4: It's been a crazy week for us so far.

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Speaker 3: It's been insane. We've been like actual like.

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Speaker 2: Coworkers this week.

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Speaker 4: No, because we have so many different events all around

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Speaker 4: the city that we're like going together. We had meetings.

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Speaker 2: We had meetings and by the way, you guys listen

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Speaker 2: to Seeking Derangements.

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Speaker 4: With Ben with Ben Moore, a really funny podcast. We

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Speaker 4: went through all these different like kind of cultural topics

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Speaker 4: and decided whether or not they were gay.

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Speaker 2: I mean, can you imagine it's us commenting and riffing

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Speaker 2: on the LGBTQ plus.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. One of them was like when your shoes squeak?

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Speaker 4: Is that something gay guys do right? Right? And you'll

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Speaker 4: have to listen to that episode to see where we

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Speaker 4: come down on that topic.

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Speaker 2: Okay, After that, though, we had these insane dumplings.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, the dumplings were so good.

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Speaker 3: They were so good. It was very thin dough I

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Speaker 3: will say.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, crispy, but not too oily. No, they don't remember

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Speaker 4: what it's called. Search time. Winie Zumpling is on Mott. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's where I love this city because it's like later

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Speaker 4: that day I went to a place a Stereophonic on

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Speaker 4: Broadway three and a half hours long, I'm not even

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Speaker 4: joking you, and it was great. It was fun. It's

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Speaker 4: all about music, and it was like it's a record

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Speaker 4: and it's like a seventies band. It's like the stages

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Speaker 4: like it's like a recording student. It's like there's the

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Speaker 4: engineer and then they're in the booth and it's a

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Speaker 4: lot of like going back and forth between the booth

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Speaker 4: and like you're hearing the like Mike turn on and

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Speaker 4: they're fine, oh.

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Speaker 2: Wait, so it's so hey, Darryl, let's try that again. Button.

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Speaker 4: It's all that, Okay, the whole the whole thing is

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Speaker 4: just like I'm getting a rattle on the snare and

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Speaker 4: like it's really specific and like they're restarting the song

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Speaker 4: like seven times and you're like, wow, I'm really like there.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it is my dream actually to do what

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Speaker 2: our producer kind of a boo is doing, to sit

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Speaker 2: behind a board yeah and just press being like let's

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Speaker 2: actually try the last song. Yeah, let's try Crying from

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Speaker 2: Mothers Boo.

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Speaker 4: I'd love if you did more knob fiddly and telling

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Speaker 4: us to retake throughout the episode. But then this is

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Speaker 4: why I love New York and it always surprises you.

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Speaker 4: Because I saw Nev Campbell in line for the show

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Speaker 4: that I was in.

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Speaker 2: That's insane because it's like that is not a New

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Speaker 2: York exciting No, like she is La.

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Speaker 4: She looked amazing. She's amazing.

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Speaker 2: See. Yeah, every time I'm in a pool, I do

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Speaker 2: a Nev Campbell. She's so babysitter to me, like hot,

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Speaker 2: she's hot babysitter because it's the brunette of it all.

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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, yeah, big naturals.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Do you think she had fake boobs seeing her? Or

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Speaker 3: do you think they were?

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Speaker 4: It was definitely in like a play blazer, so I

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Speaker 4: really couldn't tell.

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Speaker 3: You about Oh wait, what are you wearing right now?

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Speaker 4: Steven?

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Speaker 2: Speaking of playblazers, it was such an amazing interesting I.

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Speaker 4: Was really called the iHeart Studio and I literally went

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Speaker 4: hunting the food iHeart offices and found a girl's white

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Speaker 4: Urban Outfitters cardigan that was on the back of her

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Speaker 4: chair that was like an unmanned desk. And I really

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Speaker 4: hope that she's not in the office and coming back today.

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Speaker 2: No, and Stephen starts like panicked, looking at like girls chairs,

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Speaker 2: being like, who can I like steal from? And this

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Speaker 2: is why we have to watch out for gay men.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Hyena, It's like this big window. If she walks

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Speaker 4: by the booth and sees me in her urban outfitters

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Speaker 4: white card again, like, it's gonna be so awkward, and

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Speaker 4: she shivering, she's pounding on the window.

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Speaker 2: And you're just like middle fingers.

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Speaker 4: And then after a sign of Campbell, I went to

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Speaker 4: this like cool speakeasy called Bar Central that's like behind

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Speaker 4: an unmarked townhouse door. It's like a midtime establishment. And

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Speaker 4: Karen Coulkin was there. Wow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now he's New York.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's very New York.

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Speaker 2: Mind you. The night before it's madness Monday night.

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Speaker 4: Who did we see?

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Speaker 3: Who did we see?

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Speaker 4: At the same restaurant?

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Speaker 2: Mother Christine Baranski, Ross Matthews on a date with his

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Speaker 2: small husband, and Ross Matthews is looking small himself.

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Speaker 4: Zempig down boots and then Michael Yuri.

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Speaker 2: At a large dinner of friends.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and I think it was a birthday because they

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Speaker 4: brought over like some sort of cake. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: One note about Ross Matthews, I actually think he's like

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Speaker 2: pre ozempic thinned. I think he is like lap band.

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Speaker 4: and it was like Ross Matthews lost weight, not on ozempic,

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Speaker 4: and I was like, because I do think that sounds

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Speaker 4: like you lost them on.

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Speaker 3: He's been thin for a while though in a pre

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Speaker 3: ozempic way.

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Speaker 4: But Osmpic's been out for like a year and a half.

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Speaker 3: Now, that's what I'm saying for a while.

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Speaker 2: I think he's been thin now for like time fly

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Speaker 2: has band you three years?

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Speaker 4: Lap band, classic, lap, classic lap. You know who hasn't

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Speaker 4: had lap band surgery?

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Speaker 2: My knowledge, no, he doesn't because he taught himself even

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Speaker 2: as a out of shape teen you can run.

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Speaker 4: But you can run, yes, And then by eighteen he

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Speaker 4: was doing a three mile run in nineteen minutes, which

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Speaker 4: is about like six twenty pm, which is pretty good.

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Speaker 2: Anyway.

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Speaker 3: You probably know who we're we're talking about. We're talking

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Speaker 3: about none other childless cat Lady.

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Speaker 4: The child is cat Lady himself. You know him from

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Speaker 4: his epic run for vice president, which is currently ongoing.

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Speaker 2: You know him from being an amazing Christian father, husband.

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Speaker 4: For Marine Corps member, Ohio senator, former venture capitalist.

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Speaker 3: Famous fake hillbilly.

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Speaker 4: Some may say, ladies and gentlemen, we are talking about

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Speaker 4: none other then J. D. Van and his Booklegy part

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Speaker 4: of it.

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Speaker 3: It's crazy because like this book is so.

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Speaker 2: Twenty fifteen, I know, and yet here we are now

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Speaker 2: and he's back in the vix.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I will say, this election feels very twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 4: so it's kind of like it doesn't really actually feel

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Speaker 4: that off. It's like we are looping down boots.

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Speaker 2: So we're bringing back the twenty fifteen of it all.

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Speaker 4: It's literally the same. And like Kamala is being so

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Speaker 4: Hillary and just like straight up heading for a loss.

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Speaker 2: I guess my, you're always saying this, and it's like

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Speaker 2: my thing about why it's so much more twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: four is because Kamala is Camo and not doing wine glasses.

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Speaker 2: That's the difference, Bet Camo. Kamala is brat and Camo.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you've heard of this.

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Speaker 4: What's the Camo as well?

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Speaker 3: We got hello her Harris Walls, real tree hats.

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Speaker 4: So like this pro Trump like running for Senate and

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Speaker 3: See it in the blurbs. There's so many blurbs.

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Speaker 4: And it's like the whole thing is like Cols elites

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Speaker 4: What about TVVC are repair?

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Speaker 4: Why aren't there? Why are we not opening more HVAC schools?

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Speaker 4: No, but obviously everyone doesn't need to be a lawyer.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, back to something you were just saying. I love that.

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Speaker 4: actually Europe is like better randomly, Oh.

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Speaker 3: I was surprised by that because I was wondering if

443
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:11,760
Speaker 3: he was gonna mention that.

444
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 4: He like admits that basically like Europe has like more

445
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,400
Speaker 4: of a legitimate meritocracy where there is more social mobility,

446
00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,920
Speaker 4: and it's like there are reasons for that, Like it's

447
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 4: literally about healthcare.

448
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:27,679
Speaker 3: I no, I was a little like schools, Yeah, healthcare, food.

449
00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:29,960
Speaker 4: There's a really interesting book I haven't read called the

450
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 4: Meritocracy myth that I recommend you guys pick up, but

451
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,399
Speaker 4: in it, the author one of its points is that

452
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,680
Speaker 4: it's like Europe doesn't have like Harvard's and Yales in

453
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 4: the same way, like super elite schools that produce people

454
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 4: like jd Vance who go on to make a gazillion

455
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:45,879
Speaker 4: dollge with Peter Thiel and then went for office like

456
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,159
Speaker 4: they have like a lot of mid schools, but like

457
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:54,119
Speaker 4: that overall produces like more just like happy normal like

458
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 4: successful people for sure.

459
00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,040
Speaker 2: Than just like the desire and just like happy I

460
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:01,359
Speaker 2: have to go to the top six.

461
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 4: Right, like one person having this incredibly rare, rare chance

462
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 4: to like escape poverty and go to the top school

463
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 4: by like impressing people by being like a fascinating object.

464
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 2: I was thinking about that because I was like immigration

465
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 2: of like white immigration, because I was like, Okay, I

466
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,400
Speaker 2: do feel like my dad has like had the kind

467
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:23,160
Speaker 2: of like urban jd Vance story of like, okay, son

468
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 2: of immigrants, came from nothing, went to community college and

469
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 2: then like talked his way into Yale. Yeah, with good grades.

470
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Speaker 4: I mean that's so Jadvance and it's such a life, right.

471
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 2: And I feel like I kind of like scoffed at this,

472
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 2: But I feel like my dad was always just being like, no,

473
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,160
Speaker 2: they were being so like I've never met an Italian

474
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 2: American in like nineteen seventy five, but I'm wondering if

475
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,639
Speaker 2: it's like, Okay, Italians.

476
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 4: Are more just like and now you're going into the

477
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,679
Speaker 4: racial determinism of the advance and being like Scots Irish.

478
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 2: I went on a deep Scotch Irish thing because I

479
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,360
Speaker 2: was like, Okay, it's like if I'm of Irish descent, aren't.

480
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 4: You Scott's Irish? No is Scotts Irish something different than yeah,

481
00:22:58,480 --> 00:22:59,479
Speaker 4: just Scottish and Irish.

482
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Speaker 3: So I'm Irish Catholic.

483
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 2: So it's like I think those people were coming from

484
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 2: County Cork and then coming to New York City, which

485
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 2: even if like they were poor in New York City,

486
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 2: I think it's like they're already set up to be

487
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 2: more like coastal Elitis and becomes like cops and firemen

488
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 2: and stuff like that and have union jobs.

489
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 4: Exactly.

490
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 3: We're like maybe a firehouse rip.

491
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 2: Nine to eleven. You are getting like lung cancer from that,

492
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 2: but like it's a little less like coal mine.

493
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, even though my.

494
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,679
Speaker 2: Dad always says he thinks his father like did become

495
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 2: a little mentally disabled from the factory fumes. I'm sure,

496
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 2: but Scotch Irish is and just actually Scottish people who

497
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 2: left Scotland to go to Ireland and were Presbyterian and

498
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 2: are much more like Scottish like and if.

499
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 4: They were like just want to get away from the English, Yeah,

500
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 4: we've all been there, right and just for contacts. Like

501
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 4: the very beginning of the book, he like, as part

502
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 4: of his thesis that he's laying out, he goes, I

503
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 4: may be white, but I don't identify with wasps of

504
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 4: the Northeast, and said, identify with the millions of working

505
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 4: class white Americans of Scott's Irish descent who have no

506
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 4: college degree. To these folks, poverty is the family tradition.

507
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 4: Their ancestors were day laborers in the southern slave economy,

508
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 4: sharecroppers after that, coal miners after that, and machinists and

509
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 4: mill workers during more recent times. Americans call them hillbillies, rednecks,

510
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 4: or white trash. I call them neighbors, friends and family.

511
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,120
Speaker 4: So there's this kind of like we are this race

512
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 4: of people who is like this.

513
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 2: And it says They're literally known for their traits of loyalty,

514
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 2: family pride, eagerness to fight, and self sustainability. So like

515
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 2: dog breed discrimination, No, don't know, and it's this are

516
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 2: you are you ready? This is not a site that's

517
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 2: so Westminster. It's called like go Foxburg dot com. And

518
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 2: it's all about much.

519
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 4: Some creepytown like in the middle of Virginia. I have

520
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:43,919
Speaker 4: no idea, but.

521
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 2: It's basically being more like, Okay, these are kind of

522
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 2: more game of thronesy ancestral people who are being like

523
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 2: got out of Macastle and then we're like, ooh, Appalachia

524
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 2: looks like Scotland, let's go there.

525
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 4: Well, And of course a lot of European bents went

526
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 4: to places in the Americas that were similar in climate

527
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 4: and landscaped where they were from. Of course, as we know,

528
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 4: Scandinavians went into the Midwest Midwest where it was called Burr.

529
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Speaker 1: Club.

530
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Speaker 3: And I feel like j D to the whole like

531
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Speaker 3: dog breed, like scotch Irish sing of it all.

532
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 2: He's always like trying to prove in this book, like

533
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 2: how he's such a like scotch Irish hillbilly who like

534
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 2: flies off the seed.

535
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, he wants you to know about his like wildly

536
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 4: untamed masculinity constantly and how like honor matters. It's very

537
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 4: eye for an eye, and like it's a very violent

538
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 4: culture and everyone's like killing each other all the time,

539
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 4: even though his.

540
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 3: Vibe is very just like middle manager like office space.

541
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, trifit, Polo, because.

542
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 4: There's this scene in the movie where he almost beats up.

543
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 2: This guy who's like a heroin outic that his mom

544
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 2: is dating.

545
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 4: And when when he's like an adult now and he's

546
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 4: like going back to help his mom, and then he

547
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 4: like realizes that he should and then in the book

548
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 4: there's that scene later on in the car with this.

549
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,719
Speaker 2: A couple of years ago, I was driving in Cincinnati

550
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 2: with Usha when somebody cut me off. I humped the

551
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 2: guy flipped me off, and when we stopped at a

552
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 2: red light with this guy in front of me, I

553
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 2: unbuckled my seat belt and opened the car door. I

554
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 2: planned to demand an apology and fight the guy if necessary,

555
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 2: but my common sense prevailed and I shut the door

556
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 2: before I got out of the car. Usha was delighted

557
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 2: that I changed my mind before she yielded me to

558
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 2: stop acting like a lunatic just happened in the past.

559
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 2: She told me that she was proud of me for

560
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 2: resisting my natural instinct, and he wants to make it

561
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 2: this thing of being like, I'm this wild beast of

562
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 2: an untamed man who's like instinct is to go fight,

563
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 2: when I honestly think he is like probably like a

564
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 2: pretty calm guy who has some outbursts.

565
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 4: I get that. I don't think that he is like

566
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 4: such like an alcoholic who beats his wife. No, like

567
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 4: most of the other men that he talks the community

568
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 4: that he is referencing. There is a lot of violence

569
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 4: in this book, and if you haven't seen the movie,

570
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 4: it's completely insane. You should see it.

571
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 3: But it's Amy Adams.

572
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 4: It's Amy Adams and Glenn Close, like that's really trying

573
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 4: to get oscars.

574
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 2: I think was this the turn when Amy Adams was like, wait,

575
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna stop being in rom coms and I'm going

576
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 2: to start like playing like alcoholics slash heroin.

577
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 4: Adams already turned at that point.

578
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 3: Okay, she'd had a sharper Objects had already come out.

579
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 4: And the Dennis Vanov movie What's it called Arrival? I

580
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 4: feel like that was before then too.

581
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 2: Oh, and the fighter.

582
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, she was already she.

583
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 3: Was already well on her way to be like, get

584
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 3: the fuck out of my house.

585
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 4: This movie come out till twenty twenty.

586
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 2: Right, we watched it on Thanksgiving COVID.

587
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, fell asleep. We fell asleep during COVID Thanksgiving. But

588
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 4: like very early on in the book, he's selling stories,

589
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 4: like you know, about his family. Once, when a truck

590
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 4: driver delivered supplies to one of Uncle Pet's business, he

591
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 4: told my old hillbilly Uncle, offload this now, you son

592
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 4: of a bitch. Uncle Pet took the comment literally, when

593
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 4: you say that, you're calling my dear old mother a bitch,

594
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 4: so I'd kindly ask you speak more carefully. When the driver,

595
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 4: nicknamed Big Red because of his size and hair color,

596
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 4: repeated the insult, Uncle Pet did what any rational business

597
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 4: owner would do. He pulled the man from his truck,

598
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 4: beat him unconscious, and ran an electric saw up and

599
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 4: down his body. Big Red merely bled to death, but

600
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 4: was rushed to the hospital and survived. Uncle Pet never

601
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 4: went to jail, though apparently Big Red was also an

602
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 4: Appalachian man, and he refused to speak to the police

603
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 4: about the incident. Of press charges he knew what it

604
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 4: meant to insult a man's mother, Sorry, to run an

605
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 4: electric saw up and down someone's body, How does that

606
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 4: not results in death?

607
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 3: Me when I couldn't get into the myth mag party.

608
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 4: Hid with the saw.

609
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, he goes between like idolizing the like hillbilly nature

610
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 2: and romanticizing it and then also being like, and the

611
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 2: reason he was so violent is because he didn't go

612
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 2: to his factory job as much as he should.

613
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know that violence to me is terrifying and

614
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 4: kind of negative in this way. And he talks about

615
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 4: how like the grandpa is bad for like being abusive

616
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 4: to the grandma, to Mima his famous Bema played by

617
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 4: Glenn Clothes the movie, but like the uncle's not bad

618
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 4: for running a chainsopp and on someone's body. And then

619
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 4: like you know, it's like, oh, then we all killed

620
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 4: this man who was rumored to have like molested a

621
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 4: girl in the village, and like no one went to

622
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 4: jail for it, and that's just hillbilly justice.

623
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: Well, his other hillbilly justice thing is he's like, well,

624
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 2: like everyone would like beat up guys that like were

625
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 2: disrespectful to my mom when they were just dating.

626
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 4: But then like once your family, once your.

627
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 2: Family, and dating, like all the bulls go out drinking

628
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 2: together and like they defend the man. It's kind of

629
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 2: like once you're married, the husband can beat the wife.

630
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's just kind of boys will be your

631
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 4: own and blood is blood.

632
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 2: Blood is blood. And don't you ever talk bad about

633
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 2: your sister, you.

634
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 4: Know, and to some extent, I do think blood is blood.

635
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 4: I know you're my family, my family. I would defend

636
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 4: you to the death. As Bethany Frankel recently said on TikTok,

637
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 4: if there was a decaying body wrapped in duct tape

638
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 4: in my backyard, I have a lot of friends who

639
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 4: wouldn't ask any questions. That's the kind of friends you.

640
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 3: Need, truly, no questions, no questions. I would wait.

641
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. Maya actually asked me that the other week. She

642
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 2: was like, what would you do if Stephen murdered someone?

643
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: What?

644
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 2: Did she ask? What?

645
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: Why?

646
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 2: Asked that she's always we were watching obviously like a

647
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 2: murder doll, because it's just always and it was like

648
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 2: someone's best friend and they were being interviewed. Okay, it

649
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 2: was nowhere, No, it was kind of we were watching

650
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 2: something the situation. We're both kind of being like wait,

651
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 2: like what would you do? Right, And I said, I

652
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 2: would totally still be your friend, thank you. Yeah right,

653
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 2: I don't think I would snitch if it was serial

654
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 2: killer stuff.

655
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 4: Right, if the bodies were piling up and I was

656
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 4: being so creepy about.

657
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 2: It it was a serial killer dog where it was

658
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 2: so like twelve bodies, like I feel like if it

659
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 2: was one, yeah, I would be like, I'm not snitching

660
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 2: it was one the crazy stuff happened. Yeah, if it

661
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 2: was going to go ahead and be like fourteen to

662
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 2: twenty bodies across the Northeast Corridor, and you would be like,

663
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 2: I think we'll get to that when we.

664
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 4: Get there, thank you for giving me the grace. No,

665
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 4: you would be so Ashton and Mila writing a letter

666
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 4: to like support any masters.

667
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like he's an amazing man, yeah, like asking

668
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: for lenience. This is a great segue, is because I

669
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 2: want to talk about kind of his relationship with women,

670
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 2: where it's like he says, basically whenever he talks about

671
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 2: the mom's a bad boyfriends or he's like, it's never

672
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 2: that I did I didn't like.

673
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 3: The husband or boyfriend, like it was that like he

674
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 3: was just another one.

675
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 4: Well, it's so funny because as I was listening to

676
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 4: this book, my boyfriend who's from the Midwest and as

677
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 4: a child of divorce and like moved around with his

678
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 4: mom a lot, and like he was always referring to

679
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 4: his almost dads. And there's one point in the book

680
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 4: where GD was just like, you know, it wasn't that

681
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 4: I disliked these guys. It was just the fact that

682
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 4: I knew it wasn't gonna last. And here she was

683
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 4: again promising me the world and saying everything was going

684
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 4: to be better, and we move in with this new guy,

685
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 4: and then I knew it was I was just gonna

686
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 4: have to pick up and do it all over it again.

687
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 4: It was the instability, and Chase was just like, wow,

688
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 4: say that part again. Like when we were watching the

689
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 4: movie and like there's that scene where she's like, oh no,

690
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 4: I'm not marrying Jim. I'm marrying Ken. Marrying Ken, my

691
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 4: boss from the Daralysis Center, And he was just like, wow,

692
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 4: this is so my mom.

693
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 3: The JD kid is like, wait, you broke up with Matt.

694
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 3: She was like, obviously, I'm marrying Ken.

695
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 4: Yeah.

696
00:32:58,800 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 3: By the way, Ken's house.

697
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 4: Was of like cheek, oh yeah, it's like so mid

698
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 4: century and like wooden and low.

699
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 2: And like cool posters and is like like framed.

700
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 4: Corvette poster on the wood wall. For sure, Mama. I

701
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 4: was like, wait, Ken's got it going on. Then she

702
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 4: leaves Ken, but yeah, so it's like that instills But

703
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 4: I don't know if that instills such a distrust of women.

704
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 2: I mean he.

705
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 3: Obviously has like grown to like hate women.

706
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 4: Oh because you think the childless cat ladies. Yeah, I

707
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 4: feel like that's so like this just being more like

708
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 4: I'm the new online right, just saying the word longhouse

709
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 4: a lot, Right, he knows, because I think he's actually

710
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 4: kind of a cuckow. Sorry, like his us. His vibe

711
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 4: is cup with that. And he was like and very

712
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 4: much like Tim Waltz, like he's so like I married

713
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 4: up and like very like Dug dun cough, like like

714
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 4: look at this, look at this gorgeous you know what

715
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 4: I mean. He's just like I'm just happy to be here,

716
00:33:58,680 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 4: Like that's his vibe.

717
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 2: Well, I think he is a wife guy and he's

718
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 2: yeah's but I think he's trying to prove himself to

719
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 2: the like two big bearded hillbilly, right, duck Hunter guys.

720
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 4: I don't think it's the duck hunter guys. He's trying

721
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 4: to prove himself to I think it is.

722
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 3: More like just creating powder guys.

723
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's more just like the four chan online New Right,

724
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 4: which is just like says that, like the Long House

725
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 4: is all about like women, like trying to DEI you

726
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,760
Speaker 4: into like you know, boredom.

727
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 3: And like, well, I mean he did literally does say

728
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,439
Speaker 3: in here, which I do think is true.

729
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 2: That's what happened. He was like to quote schoolwork is

730
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 2: for faggots, which is like.

731
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I love that part, which is kind of true. No,

732
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 4: it is, and like that is a cultural psycho we

733
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 4: need to break and in order for men success.

734
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 3: Which then goes to the workplaces for women, which is also.

735
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,720
Speaker 4: Also true true period, And that's.

736
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 3: That's why you're wearing like women's.

737
00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 4: I mean chicks and so that's and he's like kind

738
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 4: of cynically, I think, like parodying that kind of threat.

739
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, he's absolutely a

740
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 4: wife guy.

741
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 3: He's a wife guy.

742
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 2: But I'm just like, does he actually believe his kind

743
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 2: of abortion views or is he just doing it because

744
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 2: he knows that's what it's gonna work.

745
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 4: I think he's definitely like anti woke, you know, but

746
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 4: like I think a lot of his shift towards the

747
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 4: Trump side of the Republican Party has been like wildly

748
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 4: cynical and opportunistic, right, and like just.

749
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 2: To get fucking elected.

750
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Usha's like, I mean, if you work with

751
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 4: Peter Teel, like he has this like libertarian I think

752
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 4: like viewpoint and like you can see the kind of

753
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 4: schizophrenic economic perspective where he's like, we need to like

754
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 4: help mothers, but also the need to help themselves, and

755
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 4: it's like Europe is amazing, but we shouldn't do anything

756
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 4: that Europe is doing.

757
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 2: Like No, and he's been like and like actually, like

758
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 2: all these women are having like children at like sixteen

759
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,280
Speaker 2: by their uncles, but actually those children are beautiful.

760
00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 4: Or Trump doesn't believe what he's saying about. Yeah, And

761
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 4: it's also not being like we're paying for your iv

762
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 4: if it's beautiful, we're doing beautiful IV We're.

763
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 2: Doing beautiful IVF. We're doing abortions in the third year.

764
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, I mean no, he also thinks his sister's hot.

765
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. He wants to fuck his sister.

766
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 2: He wants to kill his mother. This is what leads

767
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 2: me to him being like I feel like the hatred

768
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: of women.

769
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 4: I mean, the mother does try to kill him.

770
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 3: The mother tries to kill No, I'm saying it's.

771
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 4: Not I'm just saying I think he's more of a

772
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 4: wife guy, and I think he's more.

773
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 3: Like No when the whole movie is him like cutting

774
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 3: peppers with Usha.

775
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they're definitely like doing that, like I don't.

776
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 2: And the end of the book is him being like

777
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 2: I was worried, but I reminded myself that the next

778
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,720
Speaker 2: day I was able to go grocery shopping with Usha

779
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 2: and then we would cook a nice meal together.

780
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:55,760
Speaker 4: Like Netflix, Netflix and Hill of the end of the book. Okay,

781
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 4: he becomes a creationist. They don't let him listen to

782
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 4: Eric Clapton, and this is why I'm saying, And I

783
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 4: don't think that he legitimately believes like anything. He a

784
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 4: lot of what he is.

785
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 3: I don't think he does, because he listens to Black Sabbath.

786
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 4: Yes, and he is like basically making fun of evangelicals

787
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 4: for being insane and like the War on Christmas, because

788
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 4: this whole part where he like converts to like creationism

789
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 4: in his teens or his dad, and then he's just like, uh,

790
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 4: this is weird and random. As a young teenager thinking

791
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 4: seriously for the first time about what I believe and

792
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 4: why I believe it, I had acute sense that the

793
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 4: walls were closing on real Christians. There was all this

794
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 4: talk about the War on Christmas, which as far as

795
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 4: I could tell, consists of mainly e vasical EU activistsuing

796
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 4: small towns for Nativity displays. All of us talk about

797
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 4: Christians who aren't Christian enough, secular certain doctrine in our youth,

798
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 4: art exhibits insulting our faith. Persecution by the elites made

799
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 4: the world a scary and forum place. Take gay rights

800
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 4: so particularly hot topic. I'll never forget the time of

801
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 4: convince myself I was gay. Oh wait, this part's actually

802
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 4: wait fun. I was eight or and I maybe younger,

803
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 4: and I ssembled upon a broadcast by some fire and

804
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 4: Brimstone preacher. But like you can see, there's like this

805
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,439
Speaker 4: sarcasm where he's like, these people are crazy and they're

806
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 4: obsessed with these social issues that are actually completely relevant.

807
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 4: The man spoke about the evils of homosexuals, how they

808
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 4: infiltrate our society. The same time, the only thing I

809
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,919
Speaker 4: knew about gay men was that they preferred men to women.

810
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 4: This described me perfectly. I disliked girls, and my best

811
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 4: friend in the world was my old buddy Bill. Oh no,

812
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 4: I'm going to hell. I broached this issue with Mama,

813
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 4: confessing that I was gay, and I was worried that

814
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 4: I would burn in hell. She said, don't be a

815
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 4: fucking idiot. How would you know that you're gay? I

816
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 4: explained my thought process. Mima chuckled and seemed to consider

817
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 4: how she might explain to a boy my age. Finally,

818
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 4: she said, jd do you want to suck dix? I

819
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 4: was flabbergasted. Why would someone want to do that? She

820
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 4: repeated herself, and I said, of course not. Then she said,

821
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 4: you're not gay. I mean, if you do want to

822
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 4: suck dicks, that would be okay. God would still love you.

823
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 2: She's mother, She is mother, Do you want to suck dix?

824
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 4: Mema for President? But it's like, well, there's another.

825
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 2: Altar line in it where she's like, He's like, well,

826
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 2: Mema is Christian, but he's like, but she never goes

827
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 2: to church.

828
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 3: And actually a lot of hill people don't go to church.

829
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, she just like watches like the seven hundred Club

830
00:38:58,520 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 4: and like listens to it.

831
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 3: Right, she being so like Tamy Fay.

832
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 4: Okay, I do think in this because he basically admits

833
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 4: where he's like, I don't like women, I like boys.

834
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 4: I like men. It's like that is straight guys. Okay.

835
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 4: I don't think he like hates hates. He hates women

836
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 4: in a normal Strake eye way, which is like they

837
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 4: value their friendships with men on a much deeper intellectual

838
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 4: level than they do with women, and they mostly see

839
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 4: women as like moms, mom's sisters, cousins, something to defend

840
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 4: their honor or like something to fuck. But it's like

841
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 4: it's not equal. It's not equal, and it's not on the.

842
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,919
Speaker 2: Like skir which is crazy even for me to be like, wait,

843
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,959
Speaker 2: men women are equal. Like it's like reading this book

844
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 2: it makes like you feel so you're like, wait, no,

845
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 2: it's nineteen seventy five. I'm wearing pants like men and

846
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 2: women are equal.

847
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 4: JD.

848
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 2: Wait, the way he talks about his sisters, he's always

849
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 2: just like she's the most amazing woman ever.

850
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 4: I mean, the sister is the saint.

851
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 2: And I googled her like she is hot and she's

852
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 2: still hot, and she works for a six coaching center.

853
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 4: Is the mom's alive.

854
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 2: Yes, and she's been sober for ten years.

855
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 4: She was at the R and C and she is

856
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 4: she looks like someone who is a former addict.

857
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 3: I think because she is like now heavier, she looks

858
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 3: less addict.

859
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 2: Good for her.

860
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 4: I mean she looks so little.

861
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 3: No, she doesn't have like that.

862
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 2: Gaunt, big T shirt, big eyes like former meth addict.

863
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 2: It's a little more just like big grandma with like

864
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 2: feathered hair coals.

865
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 4: Wait, I love the part where she she has the

866
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 4: closeted lesbian from Tammy. She's like, the only reason your

867
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 4: nastemy is because you want to fuck me, And.

868
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 2: This is wet.

869
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 3: Also, the mom has tried to kill herself. After Peapo dies.

870
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 2: He's like, so she's yelling at me, She's yelling at

871
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 2: me macas and then she turns to her lesbian front

872
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 2: and he is being so like her very nice lesbian friend.

873
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 2: Yeah he's actually okay, there's no one actually more nineties

874
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 2: lesbian porn than jd.

875
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 4: Oh, Like he watches lesbian porn.

876
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, just I feel like in this really like nineties

877
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 2: girl on girl way, yeah you know what I mean.

878
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 2: That's so like Polo Khakis.

879
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 3: Poor made for men, just like two too.

880
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 4: Hot make with long nails.

881
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah he's being like Wow, I.

882
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 4: Could see him being more into that now though now

883
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 4: he's watching more like pov porn. That's like suicide girls.

884
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess, like more like Cammy.

885
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's super cam girl, and like I.

886
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 2: Feel like he was firing up of H ninety stuff

887
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 2: if you know you ye. The other amazing like lesbian

888
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 2: mentioned when he's talking about his crew of Yale friends

889
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 2: and how like diverse they were, and again he is

890
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 2: being so like politician. He's like one amazing smart African

891
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 2: American man, one Indian man, and one extremely.

892
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 4: Hilarious progressive lesbian.

893
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 2: Progressive lesbian.

894
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 4: We could all break bread together, and that's the beauty

895
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 4: of the American dream.

896
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 2: Okay, his marines the line he goes still to this day,

897
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 2: I only will watch Saving Private Ryan with very close

898
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 2: friends because I will solve.

899
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 4: And it's like, sorry, let me guess they're male friends.

900
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 3: Exactly.

901
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 2: What's the situation where not that good friends at Private Ryan?

902
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 3: Hey man, A couple of us are going over to bills.

903
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 4: It's like, Yo, what work events evolve? Ryan? Well maybe

904
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 4: he means though, like it's like Christmas time watch a

905
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 4: movie with your family, Like, oh, do you guys want

906
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 4: to watch Saving Private Ryan?

907
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 3: Like tonight He's like, no, nope, not tonight.

908
00:42:58,600 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 4: I can't do it.

909
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 2: Yeah. His time in the Marines, and of course God

910
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 2: bless our troops, but he did kind of have the

911
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 2: gayer job of the Marines.

912
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 4: Oh I die. Okay, he's like the media consultant for

913
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 4: the base.

914
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 3: I'm in media Marines.

915
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 4: That's loterally the gayest job you can get. A sign.

916
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 4: He's even gayer than like mail room.

917
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 2: No, because it's like you're talking about magazines and press

918
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 2: and interviews.

919
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 4: And he was just like and I learned how to

920
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 4: like schedule interviews.

921
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 2: And he was like here, I was comfortable talking in

922
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 2: front of reporters, diplomats, presidents, soldiers.

923
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 4: He's like, but then one time, by accident, I showed

924
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 4: a classified plane camera that I wasn't supposed to do.

925
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 2: Because he has this whole like you know, like where

926
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 2: he learns to become a man, which is also just

927
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 2: like fatherhood and like it is beautiful and like some

928
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 2: sergeant takes him to like the car dealership to like

929
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 2: get a car loan, and he's like, actually, you should

930
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 2: call the Navy Federal bank to get a better day.

931
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 4: And this is another one of his sort of paraballs

932
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 4: about response ability but also about the value of like

933
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 4: a network. And again this is where it's like it

934
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 4: becomes contradictor where he's saying like I was able to

935
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,439
Speaker 4: do this because I had helpful people, and it's like, well, yeah,

936
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 4: that's and.

937
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,439
Speaker 3: You actually literally had government help.

938
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 4: Was literally government help. You had someone from the government

939
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 4: telling you not to take a shitty life, and.

940
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 2: Also joined a government bank and Navy credit union. So

941
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 2: make it makes sense, mama. It makes sense me, mom.

942
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 2: And he's like, we would eat so fast and like

943
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 2: cut our hair short, and like once a marine was like,

944
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: if you're not vomiting by of this run, like you're

945
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 2: not working out, and he's like, and then we got

946
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 2: to a RAQ and I was sent to the media room,

947
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 2: but like I learned and he's like, and actually, we're

948
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 2: doing super respectful stuff over there.

949
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 4: Right, And he was like so mad at like some

950
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 4: pipsqueak in his like Yale freshman class, who has being

951
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 4: such a coastal elitist and was just like like slaughtering

952
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 4: in all the army, Like people who joined the army

953
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 4: are dumb and that's why there are such like brutes

954
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,399
Speaker 4: over there, like killing civilians. And he was like, that's

955
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 4: so fucked up, and it's like, well, they definitely are killing.

956
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 2: He was being so fucking pleasant Villa about it, being

957
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 2: like we were just bringing candy and hard drives to children, right,

958
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:15,760
Speaker 2: and you're.

959
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 4: Like, babe, no, babe, actually take your ass over to

960
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 4: Wiki leaks and a couple of videos I want to

961
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 4: show you.

962
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 3: But like, it's very our favorite scene in elword, it's.

963
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 4: Very Tanya and now.

964
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 2: Watch that episode because he has.

965
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 4: This scene where he gives an a racer to an

966
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 4: Iraqi child and the Iraqi kid is so happy, and

967
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 4: he was like, every day since then, I've tried to

968
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 4: live my life like being grateful for the eraser eraser life.

969
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 2: And he's like, here I was, I thought being a

970
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 2: generational scotch Irish hillbilly person, not being able to get

971
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 2: a tickle me Elmo or Abercrombie.

972
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 4: But he was sad, whoa, here is this Iraqi kid

973
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 4: living in a war torn country.

974
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was raceful for an eraser and he was like,

975
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 2: I felt like a man. And then there's all these

976
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 2: things him and after that eraser time, I took my

977
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 2: nieces to Wendy's night, it felt like such a man.

978
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do feel like it's also a little bit

979
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 4: just like maybe that was the first time he had

980
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 4: like an interaction with like a child where he literally

981
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 4: was like, oh, I'm like a grown up Boots because

982
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 4: he was like such a little fat night who was

983
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 4: being picked on his whole life. The casting the movie

984
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 4: is good, I would say, I.

985
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 3: Would say that I think that kid did.

986
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 4: The kid did a really good job. Okay, I thought

987
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 4: the older JD. Vans though, was a little boring.

988
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, he just kind of had like very like acting.

989
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was like, can we express a little bit more?

990
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 3: And he's a little seventh season one tree hell yeah,

991
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 3: where he was being like.

992
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 4: Huff, I'm generally huffing.

993
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 3: Whereas the kid was acting up a goddamn storm.

994
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 4: While we're on the movie. Let me just say this,

995
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 4: one of the thing is good about the book is

996
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 4: the way he's always like weaving and he so studies

997
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 4: show and he's just like and this is how my

998
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 4: story like relates to like these broader economic trends that

999
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 4: are happening in the region. But the movie like only

1000
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 4: tries to make it be like universal. Like all they

1001
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 4: do is just show people driving cars looking out windows

1002
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 4: at like people having mattresses in their yard or like

1003
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 4: classics or like the closed down factory, and like that's

1004
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 4: all it is. They're just being like, so, you got it.

1005
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 4: It's it's the Roust Belt.

1006
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 2: It's sad, which is funny because JD actually kind of

1007
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 2: calls out that stereotype in this book, is like you

1008
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 2: get it, Like the rust Belt, we're like stoven dolls

1009
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 2: and the Blockbuster's been closed down for years and.

1010
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 4: Like he's way more economist article and Wright.

1011
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 2: And is being like, well Arkham was bought by Japanese steel.

1012
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's like there weren't even any other characters

1013
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 4: like in the film. I feel like they could have

1014
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 4: figured out some other way to show what was happening

1015
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 4: in the town beyond just like people looking out the window.

1016
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was much more I think the Ron Howard

1017
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 2: of making it like the personal Grandma Glenn Close. I

1018
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 2: mean it was just like the most like it was

1019
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 2: the most play like southern because it was cigarettes.

1020
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 4: Every like crazy scene in the book just jammed into

1021
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 4: one movie, like completely back to back, like cagarette carettes,

1022
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 4: beating screen doors, so many screen doors, slamming his only

1023
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 4: screen doors. You don't even get a chance to breathe,

1024
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 4: like ever movies, And they.

1025
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 2: Didn't even really get into where he talks about so

1026
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 2: much more of like heroin and fentanyl, where it's a

1027
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 2: little more.

1028
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 4: Just like, yeah, my mom is an addict, and then

1029
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 4: they're like she's an addict.

1030
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1031
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 4: The art that I really love was when he moves

1032
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 4: like back to Cincinnati after Yale law and he was like,

1033
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 4: my friend was the promotions director for a local radio station,

1034
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 4: so I had an into the city's best events.

1035
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, here's the thing. I would go to school,

1036
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 2: then work, then tons of events. He was a free concerts,

1037
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 2: food festivals, and.

1038
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 4: It's being sowks.

1039
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 2: It was being so like taste of since Sinnati and

1040
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 2: like the firework exposition and like awesome free concerts.

1041
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 4: I mean that is cool, but because it's like you

1042
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 4: know about all the festivals when you know the radio.

1043
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 2: Promoter, he is also very radio promoter. His vibe is

1044
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 2: so like hey, I'm the station manager WZLX.

1045
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 4: I did like when he kind of was saying at

1046
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 4: one point in book, he was like, you can't be

1047
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 4: so people to judge and just like revitalizing a downtown

1048
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 4: and like hope that that alone is gonna be like

1049
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 4: enough bring people back. Right, Yeah, this is people didn't

1050
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 4: leave because their downtown lacked trendy cultural amenities. The trendy

1051
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,399
Speaker 4: culture amenities left because there won't have consumers in middle

1052
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 4: time to support them.

1053
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's getting that. It's not like if a Ramen

1054
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 2: place opens.

1055
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 4: The thing is like that kind of a revitalization I

1056
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 4: think can happen in like super small towns, but like

1057
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 4: a town of like forty thousand people, right, cannot be

1058
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 4: revitalized by Ramen.

1059
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 2: I asked, Ohioan I know, Oh who comes from a

1060
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 2: Kentucky background?

1061
00:49:58,080 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 4: No hillbilly Hillbilly Hilpert.

1062
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, what they thought of jd Vance? I'll just read

1063
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,439
Speaker 2: it's kind of on the ground. Yeah, my family would

1064
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 2: shoot him on site.

1065
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 4: Okay, so here we have the violence.

1066
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, my dad from Kentucky fucked, don't know shit, and

1067
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 2: Middletown is rough shirt. But what small city that ran

1068
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 2: on factories is doing well? Cluster mark. He acts like

1069
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 2: Ohio was the ghetto and he got out like the

1070
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 2: rappers say, made it out of the mud, and then

1071
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 2: he comes back to save Ohio. His family doesn't even

1072
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 2: fuck with him. He's too good for everyone walking the

1073
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 2: picket line, but hates unions, Ivy League fraud. I feel

1074
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 2: bad for his grandma.

1075
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 4: Wow, that was a succinct fucking takedown. Go off your

1076
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 4: person on the ground, Ye.

1077
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 2: Person on the ground.

1078
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 3: I work for the Census c.

1079
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 4: O fucking g over. Wow, I'm obsessed with that. No,

1080
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 4: And it's like, you know, he is everything that he

1081
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 4: claims to despise in this book now.

1082
00:50:58,040 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 2: And now he's a coastal.

1083
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 4: Also started this like foundation to like save Ohio from

1084
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 4: like drugs that like obviously collapse after three years and

1085
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 4: like spend all their money on overhead and executive salaries

1086
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:10,760
Speaker 4: and like didn't do anything.

1087
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 2: No. Classic it's like make a massive office that I'm

1088
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 2: sure liked a Starbucks in it, yeah, and then wanted

1089
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 2: it do nothing.

1090
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, because he's fucking care about.

1091
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 3: Public And it does make me think I'm sure.

1092
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 2: I mean, his mom is like clapping away for him,

1093
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 2: but like and I'm sure Mema she saw him now,

1094
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 2: like she would just be like supportive and proud.

1095
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:34,280
Speaker 4: Be proud.

1096
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 3: I think she'd be.

1097
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 4: Proud to encouraged if someone sceed and was like, I

1098
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 4: spent this money a TA eighty nine.

1099
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 2: Plus and bought a calculator.

1100
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 4: Bought a calculator, and you're gonna use it, and.

1101
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 2: Like, again, Millennials, what did we even do with those?

1102
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 4: Do you kids today still like use those? I was

1103
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 4: thinking about that last night gen Z and Jen Alfer

1104
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 4: sound off in the Commons Calculators.

1105
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,439
Speaker 2: Remember that was such a new story backpacks being really

1106
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 2: heavy because of all the textbooks in the TI eighties.

1107
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 4: That was so from our generation. It was so many

1108
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 4: news stories about backpackers.

1109
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 2: Are killing children forty fifty ll bah down.

1110
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 4: I wonder if they're still doing like printed out PDFs

1111
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 4: because that was also so school right. Well, we're one

1112
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 4: hundred years. I don't think we'll ever know, And that's fine.

1113
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 2: I know when we are just making it out of

1114
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 2: the holler, we're segment people. How does she live?

1115
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 4: What does she wear? Well? Does she okay? What does

1116
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 4: she wearar? I mean he's definitely like heathered Yale T

1117
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 4: shirt like around the house yell.

1118
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 2: But there was the whole Yale T shirt parable in

1119
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 2: the book, it's at the end and he's wearing his

1120
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 2: Yale shirt and a woman's like, oh, do you go there?

1121
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 2: And he lies and says, my girlfriend goes there because

1122
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 2: he does. I want to be a coastal elite. But

1123
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, he does have a

1124
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 2: heather yell shirt. Yes, okay, And I think he's more

1125
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 2: drive at Polos on the weekend.

1126
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 4: Oh, in like a golf.

1127
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 2: Feet way Yeah, yeah, wick away.

1128
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 4: But I still feel like he is wanting to do

1129
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 4: a little bit of this costplay, right, So isn't he

1130
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 4: going to be.

1131
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 2: Like heathered Joe jeans from Nords from Wrath they're a

1132
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 2: little whiskered.

1133
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 4: Or like we go to Costco and get like under

1134
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 4: armor at Costco.

1135
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 2: Oh, like he's not wearing from Nike dot Com. No,

1136
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 2: I don't think he's wearing Costco pants. He's getting delivery.

1137
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 2: He's getting delivery. Yes, I think he probably does shop

1138
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 2: at like just like a DC suit store, because I

1139
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 2: feel like.

1140
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 4: Like Usha is like san Diego Brahman. She's like a

1141
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 4: rich like, so I'm like, wouldn't she just be like,

1142
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,240
Speaker 4: we're gonna dress you nice? I feel like the suits

1143
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 4: that I'm seeing him on the kitchen store right blue yeah,

1144
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 4: well or dark but like and then like a wide

1145
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 4: purple tie in this very Republican way.

1146
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 2: I think she's probably just like they're going to the

1147
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:10,760
Speaker 2: like DC boutique and just still getting like the ugliest bluest.

1148
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, because she's like buying American and international designers online.

1149
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:22,479
Speaker 2: She's having such a sweepy, droopy, beautiful like layered top yeah,

1150
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:24,760
Speaker 2: and like gorgeous like silk pants.

1151
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,720
Speaker 4: Yes, she's having like both like Ralph Lauren and Indian

1152
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,479
Speaker 4: designers like send her things.

1153
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 2: His underwear, I feel like he does wear like wick

1154
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 2: Away underwear, Like it's not a cotton, it's a blend.

1155
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean I feel like most guys are wearing

1156
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 4: blends these days. If I were running for office fall

1157
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 4: that moving around. Yeah, although I also like want there

1158
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 4: to be such a nip slip where like someone sees

1159
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 4: me my tidy whities like on the campaign trail and

1160
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 4: they're like it's so famous. Wait, how do they live?

1161
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 3: How do they live?

1162
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 2: Is he so crosses?

1163
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,800
Speaker 4: Because he like is weaving in like random Christian stuff

1164
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 4: and he reads the Bible like when Mima's dying.

1165
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 2: I was actually I mean, I'm not shocked, but Christian

1166
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 2: is the first thing in his Twitter bio, and I

1167
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 2: thought it would be father, but.

1168
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 4: Like there you have to do to say christ Christian

1169
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 4: first Republican.

1170
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 2: He wants people to think there are crosses in there,

1171
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 2: but there are not crosses, like a fake bitch. Like

1172
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 2: I feel like they do have one of those coffee

1173
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 2: tables that's like unwieldy wood. It's like kind of restoration hardware.

1174
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 4: And yes, okay, unwieldly would that's from the holler.

1175
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 2: It's like Mima's bag hardware.

1176
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 4: It also does look like a hospice a little bit.

1177
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 4: I'm just there's this way where there's like a solitary flower,

1178
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 4: like a solitary amarillis in this way where you're like, oh, and.

1179
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 2: I feel like their bedroom is a little padded and

1180
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 2: saying asylum, like the highest bed padded.

1181
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 4: I know it's just getting on a ladder. Maybe that's

1182
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,439
Speaker 4: part of their kink where she's like, will you help

1183
00:55:56,520 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 4: me into bed, into our bed, Like do.

1184
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 3: They have golden retrievers or is that too coastally.

1185
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 4: That's so waspy, that's not Yeah, I feel like he's

1186
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 4: probably like they actually paid like nine for the dog.

1187
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 4: But he's saying, it's like that's a mutt, like we

1188
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 4: don't even know.

1189
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's more of like an old hound dog

1190
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 2: from the Hollow.

1191
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like more basset as.

1192
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:25,720
Speaker 3: All the hounds.

1193
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 2: And he's like, yeah, the the house.

1194
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 4: What did they eat? Like that blue apron alternative the

1195
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 4: grill green fresh.

1196
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 2: And they are like side by side salmon chicken slowly,

1197
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:43,439
Speaker 2: the pre done meal.

1198
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, who are you in the book? I mean

1199
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 4: I'm definitely Usha.

1200
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 2: You're so Usha because you're like because I'm like this

1201
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:55,720
Speaker 2: guy I met this No, no, it's actually really cool.

1202
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 2: But he was like in the Marines.

1203
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's huge and like literally we were watching like

1204
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 4: the scene where he's saying syrup.

1205
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 2: Pronounced because you're always like Chase say.

1206
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 4: Like looked at me. He was like literally, She's like

1207
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 4: so and then he puts her arms run. He's so

1208
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 4: cute how you say it.

1209
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 2: He's like, she's excited again. Wait the partial to the

1210
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 2: movie when he has to drive home after like a

1211
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 2: heroin overdose eleven hours and he's like, I got eleven hours.

1212
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 2: She goes, I'm going to stay on the phone with you,

1213
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 2: and he's like, don't do that. She goes, oh, we're

1214
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 2: doing this, and like gets up and like pours water

1215
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 2: for herself.

1216
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 4: Because she's like, so Ranny a good book lately.

1217
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 2: Do they drink? Are they having a cab?

1218
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 4: I mean he's fucking hanging in with Peter Teal, who's

1219
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 4: like doing lie of twink blood blood drinks.

1220
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 3: He's like, Peter, do you have any of that twink

1221
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 3: blood shuice?

1222
00:57:54,080 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 2: Was? Yeah, I think they have like a wine collection,

1223
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 2: like full of expensive Josh's.

1224
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 4: Yes, they're not Josh.

1225
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 2: It's like they're Joshuas And he's probably like gifted by

1226
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 2: other like Republican politicians like barreled age Bourbon.

1227
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 3: But I don't think he's like drinking.

1228
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 4: That a lot. I don't think he's drinking that a lot.

1229
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 4: But I think one poor.

1230
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 3: Mam mama, who am I in the book?

1231
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 2: I mean, I would like to just be mema like

1232
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 2: those beaver magazines.

1233
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 4: Are man beaver hunts. She's like, I don't want to

1234
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 4: get in a car accident and die with all these

1235
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 4: beaver hunts in my people die.

1236
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 3: I think I'm a lesbian, a nasty lesbian at that.

1237
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 4: And they like confiscate this porn from fantasy.

1238
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 2: She's like, I die, I'm.

1239
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 4: Hunting for pedophile with guns. Yeah. I would love for

1240
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 4: you to take on more of a mema roll in

1241
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 4: your community as well, smoking and like yelling at all

1242
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 4: children but like forcing them to like do their schoolwork

1243
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 4: and like do chores. Yeah, but I think that.

1244
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 3: Will become kind of a governing.

1245
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 2: Says You're not quite there, no, but I'll.

1246
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 3: Agent to it.

1247
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1248
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm also just like at Ohio State being like,

1249
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 2: you like Cracker Barrel, Yes, that's your favorite restaurant. Okay,

1250
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 2: I go there ironically.

1251
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 4: Because that's the thing you're not at. Y know, you're

1252
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 4: at Ohio State, but you're still about Middletown and be

1253
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 4: like ew.

1254
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm actually from a pretty like hippie fan.

1255
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 4: And then when he tells you he's from there, like,

1256
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 4: oh wait, do you know any good dive bars in

1257
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 4: the haller, I'm like, wait, can you take me thrifting

1258
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 4: on the on a FOODI adventure in your poor hometown?

1259
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 3: I heard they have like these iconic biscuits.

1260
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 2: Take me there?

1261
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 4: Hey, I mean look, I mean I was like pretty brimaged.

1262
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 4: Did Yeah, I do like that he is weaving in

1263
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 4: you know, economic historical story starts into his own story.

1264
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 4: Like it's a pretty good format for a book. I

1265
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 4: think there's a reason it was like No, I was like,

1266
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 4: I can see.

1267
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 2: Why this became a Netflix film. Obviously it's full of

1268
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 2: fucking lies.

1269
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 4: And not to be so coastal elitist and say like,

1270
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 4: this book is like a helpful primer on like the

1271
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 4: curious quirks of like a freaky white poor people who

1272
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 4: you disdain, but it is a really interesting primer. I

1273
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 4: don't know.

1274
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 2: I know that I was a greeting and I was like, uh,

1275
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 2: like I see myself liking this just so I can

1276
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 2: like read about the holler. Yeah, helloa, I'll give this

1277
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 2: like three close down malls.

1278
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm giving this like three point nine like neighbors

1279
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 4: who've been against of pedophilia that you will fight. Yeah,

1280
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:57,439
Speaker 4: unless you're my brother, in which case I will hydro

1281
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 4: pedophilia from the world for as long as I can. Anyway,

1282
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 4: Thank you. JP had good luck out there.

1283
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 2: Good luck with the election and everything.

1284
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 4: Stay weird, Stay weird, Usha Queen, our producer is a

1285
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 4: nasty little bitch. Her name's Darby masters. I don't trust

1286
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 4: her as far as I can throw her. However, she's

1287
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 4: my sister, so I'll defend her to the death.

1288
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 2: My mama had many boyfriends, and a Buzafar was one

1289
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 2: of them, and I remember this one Christmas. He came

1290
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 2: home and he gave me a game Boy. So I

1291
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 2: liked him, and he up and left. Maybe that was

1292
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 2: Mama's fun, maybe it was mine. Maybe I didn't play

1293
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 2: with game Boy enough. Down in the Holler, I never

1294
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 2: thought I would have an executive producer. But when I

1295
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 2: moved to Ohio, I met a woman. She was named

1296
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 2: Christina Everett. She executive produced this.

1297
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 4: Our theme music was done by a queer little boy

1298
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 4: from down the street named Stephen Phillips. Horse. I always

1299
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,919
Speaker 4: looked at popow funny, probably wanted to stuck his dick,

1300
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:14,919
Speaker 4: nasty little kid. However, God loves them just the same,

1301
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 4: and he's welcomed by my house for Thanksgiving any day

1302
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:18,439
Speaker 4: of the week.

1303
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 2: Making a sucking dix art, let's talk about it, Okay, Look,

1304
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 2: I would just hang up some nice beautiful things. We

1305
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 2: got paintings of Jesus Christ, our Lord and savory with

1306
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 2: paintings of our beautiful hills and fields. But there's a

1307
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 2: guy who's a little more alternative. I went to Miami

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Speaker 2: with my church and there was this fair going on.

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01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 2: It was called Art Fuzzle, and there was a lot

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Speaker 2: of sexy women, and Lord was tempting me. Lord anyway,

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Speaker 2: I saw an art piece there by a man named

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01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 2: Teddy Planks, and I said, look, all, barter subourbon for

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Speaker 2: this piece of podcast artwork.

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Speaker 4: My previous marriage ended in divorce. That marriage was located

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Speaker 4: in Dumbo with a man named Prologue project, a man

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Speaker 4: named Prologue. Hey, you like that, that's the coast for you.

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01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 4: But we have settled all of our debts and we

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Speaker 4: are in good standing with one another. And he is

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Speaker 4: also welcome.

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Speaker 2: He is still the father of three of my children.

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Speaker 4: Christmas dinner in any day of the week, and he

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Speaker 4: is family.

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Speaker 2: I'd never liked to ask for anything in this world.

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Speaker 4: That cigarettes are really expensive these days.

1325
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Speaker 2: And my mom her left choe is it's blowing up. Okay,

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01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 2: it's infected, biggest China. Okay, anyway, So if you can

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Speaker 2: sign up for our patroons patron dot com, so see

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Speaker 2: me to the pod. I don't like to ask for anything,

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Speaker 2: but I've been working home my whole life.

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Speaker 4: We just needed a little help, Amen,