1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to 2 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much 3 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: for tuning in. We're not gonna waste too much time 4 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: on housekeeping. Oh shout out to super producer Max Williams, 5 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: and shout out to you. No, I'm Ben. We're hanging 6 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: with another Ben today. This is part two where we 7 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 1: we got to hang out with the creator of Badass 8 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: of the Week. 9 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 2: That's right, mister Ben Thompson, a fellow Ben and fellow 10 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 2: historical spelunker. Yeah, I look it up. That's the word. 11 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 2: It's not dirty like it sounds. Promise. 12 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 3: It's a cave diving I think. So we're gonna do that. 13 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 2: We're gonna all join our history harnesses together to go 14 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 2: diving into. 15 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:15,479 Speaker 3: The world of tai Jin the kung Fu werewolf of Shaolin. 16 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 4: Okay, let's pick up where we left off. 17 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 5: At some point the child is gets comes into the 18 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 5: possession of a Shaolin monk, whether this monk is wandering 19 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 5: the forest and finds the child, or whether some villager 20 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 5: or woodsman comes upon the child and brings him to 21 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 5: the monastery. At some point this child becomes is placed 22 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 5: in the care of the Shaolin Temple for Fukin Province, 23 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 5: and I like to call it the Fukin Shawin Temple, 24 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 5: even though the correct opinion currently is Fujin. 25 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you came to the right place, no pun 26 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: left behind it perfect. 27 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. 28 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 4: I couldn't go through this without getting that joke out. 29 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: You know, I think, you know, a lot of Western 30 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 2: concept of the Shaolin monks come from the Wu Tang 31 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 2: clan and the movies that the Wu Tang. 32 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 3: Members of the Wu Tang clan were obsessed with. 33 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 2: The Shaolin monks, you know, practice insane you know, precise 34 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 2: precision kung fu, you know in this rural kind of 35 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,959 Speaker 2: like you know, separated kind of isolated area. 36 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 3: Is all of that accurate or is. 37 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 2: Are we kind of we kind of like you know, 38 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 2: they're not exactly shooting fireballs at each other, but they 39 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 2: were seriously disciplined, you know, practitioners of these martial arts, right. 40 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Taijian ain't nothing to with right like. 41 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 5: He Yeah, the Shallan temples were were you know, there 42 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 5: was there was the main Shalin temple it's called the 43 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 5: Northern Shahlin Temple that's up in Hinan Province, that's up north, 44 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,839 Speaker 5: and this is a Fujin province, so we're talking kind 45 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 5: of just across the strait of Taiwan, so we're in 46 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 5: the south and there is this is one of these things. Right, 47 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 5: We're talking eighteen seventy, and we don't have good data 48 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 5: on this, right, for whatever reasons, there's not a lot 49 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 5: of great Like the Imperial Chinese government was very good 50 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 5: at marking how many bales of hay were transported on 51 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 5: this day and on this day, but they don't have 52 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 5: like a great accounting of where all of the kung 53 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 5: Fu temples were, which is kind of frustrating when you're 54 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 5: going through this as a historian trying to make any 55 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 5: sense of these legends. 56 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: Right, A lot of them are bureaucratic records, right. 57 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, had very intense details on that stuff, but you know, 58 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 5: even trying to research old battles, it's like there were 59 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 5: one hundred thousand men on this side and one hundred 60 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 5: thousand men on this side, and one hundred thousand men 61 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 5: died and this side one, and it's like all right, hey, following. 62 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: The following five pages are about the amounts of hay 63 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: and wheat that they were delivered over the course of 64 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: the following weeks, right right. 65 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 5: And you're leading that and you're like, one hundred thousand 66 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 5: people didn't live in Europe at the time that this 67 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 5: hundred thousand people were killed. Like, can I get a 68 00:03:58,600 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 5: little more detail. 69 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: Let's let's focus on the important thing here, which is 70 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: of course the Hey. But okay, so it's it's weird 71 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: because there is this anomalous approach to historical records, right, 72 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: maybe different things are prioritized or documented in a in 73 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: a different way. That's that's one thing, Noel. You said 74 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 1: that's really interesting too, about how it's easy to think 75 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 1: this was ancient history, but again, history is so much 76 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: closer than it appears in the rear view mirror. I'm 77 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: saying all this to say, like Ben, there's pretty much 78 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 1: no chance that they would have known about Petras right now. 79 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: No villagers that. 80 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 5: Would have got that story would have gotten here. These 81 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 5: two people are occup there, These people are operating in silos. 82 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 5: So even though several hundred years later, there's no chance 83 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 5: that there was a communication on that way. But there 84 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 5: are reports of there being at least one Shalin temple 85 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 5: in the south. So Shalin is kind of the martial 86 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 5: arts one. There are a lot of Buddhist temples, a 87 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 5: lot of Buddhist practitioners all over the country, but the 88 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 5: Shaolin is a particular branch that does the Wu Tang 89 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 5: clan martial arts the Shaw Brothers nineteen seventies, like punch 90 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 5: a hole in your chest kind of stuff. And the 91 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 5: temple is is going to be burned to the ground 92 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 5: and there's no evidence of where it was, and nobody 93 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 5: and a lot of places down there are trying to 94 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 5: claim lineage and dissent from the Southern Shaolin temple, but 95 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 5: we don't know where it was or if it existed 96 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 5: for sure, but a lot of people talk about it 97 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 5: and mentioned it, and so I think it's I feel 98 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 5: comfortable saying there probably was a Shaolin temple in the South, 99 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 5: although I don't know, okay, you know what I mean. 100 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 5: It's always hard to kind of but anyway, but they're 101 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 5: likely likely, Yes, it's likely that there was one. So 102 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 5: he is training at this he's brought to this Shallin 103 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 5: temple where there are martial arts monks, and the temple. 104 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 5: I believe it was probably pretty close to like guan Jou. 105 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 5: Like know, we're talking straight at Taiwan, but there's this 106 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 5: little coastal village nearby where people live, and the monks 107 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 5: live a little bit away from them in their own 108 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 5: kind of private area where they do prayers and they 109 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 5: train martial arts as a way of kind of like 110 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 5: you know, very Buddhist, you know, training your mind and 111 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 5: your body to be disciplined. This is where you see 112 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 5: all of that flying sidekicks and fighting with a staff 113 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 5: and all this cool stuff that we love and has 114 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 5: inspired every good action movie ever. 115 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: Right, and a shout out to a shout out to 116 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: empty hand kung fu. 117 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 3: Right. 118 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: That's different varieties of what they're practicing, which we have 119 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: to understand would have been much more than just a 120 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: cool flex back then, given that there were oftentimes strict 121 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: laws about what sorts of weapons could be owned or 122 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: about someone's place in society. Because of these specificities, you 123 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: would have to be able to deface yourself without the 124 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: advantage of some sort of implement like a uh oh, 125 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: like a cavalry broadsword. Did you go, yeah, yeah, exactly. 126 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: We didn't know what those were for a while. 127 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. 128 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 2: We just did an episode on Abraham Lincoln and his 129 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 2: uh not really popularized duel that involves swords where he 130 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 2: basically just used his reach to intimidate the other guy 131 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 2: into giving up. 132 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 3: Really weird, flex you know, it's funny. 133 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 2: I just to realize something the we're going to get 134 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 2: to the further badassy in the story, but just occurred 135 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 2: to me. This story is basically the plot of Beverly 136 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 2: Hills Ninja, uh, starring Chris Farley, only instead of a 137 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 2: here suits child, it's just a fat kid. 138 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's comfortable, and it's all It's all of these movies, right, 139 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 5: It's just the only difference is his parents abandoned him 140 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 5: rather than were killed dramatically by somebody that he has 141 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 5: to slay at the end of the story. 142 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 2: You knows, very Joseph Beverly Hill's Ninja, he is abandoned. 143 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 3: There he's in a basket Moses style or something like that. 144 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 3: I literally watched this very recently. Does not hold up, 145 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 3: by the way. 146 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: Fortunately, Yeah, it's a shame. Maybe we keep our memories 147 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: with us. 148 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 2: I just think, unfortunately, and I mean, yeah, not to 149 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 2: psychoanalyze Chris Farley, you know, posthumously, but I'm sure he 150 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 2: did get to a point where he was a little 151 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 2: tired of doing that. 152 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 3: Hey, look at that fat guy falling down joke. 153 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 2: You know, as a as a fellow factory, I can 154 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 2: speak to that, and that would be a real bummer 155 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 2: for that to be the core of your hole, to. 156 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: Be type cast, to be fat cast. Yeah, and this 157 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: is like, this is something you know that ties in 158 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 1: already he's dealing with, according to the story, because he's 159 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:38,599 Speaker 1: been type cast. 160 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 3: As a demon and he doesn't make it one. That's yeah, 161 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 3: that's so. 162 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 2: Do the monks think maybe he has some cool powers 163 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 2: that he can harness, make him like our demon? 164 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 3: Is there anything along those lines? 165 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 5: They're kind of like, you know, the Buddhist monks are 166 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 5: pretty chill, right, so they kind of all God's creatures 167 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 5: attitude towards anything, right, So so they raise him, and 168 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 5: what the first thing they try to do is get 169 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,839 Speaker 5: him adopted out into into the town. 170 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 4: You know, Oh, we found this child. Somebody's brought us 171 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 4: a child. 172 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 5: Different accounts say a monk found him versus he was 173 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 5: brought into the monastery. But they want to find a 174 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 5: good home for this kid. So okay, you know, but 175 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 5: nobody wants him right because he's different and that's not cool, 176 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 5: and so so they can't adopt him now, and so 177 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 5: he ends up getting raised by the monks in the temple, 178 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 5: which is not common. They don't raise children there. You 179 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 5: bring your kid to them when you're ready for him 180 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 5: to enter holy orders and become a monk forever, right, right. 181 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 5: They don't usually get access to like them at age 182 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 5: three to start training them. And the story goes that 183 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 5: there are ten masters at this at this school, and 184 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 5: generally when you come in as a padawan or whatever 185 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 5: you want to call it, you know, you get a sign, 186 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 5: you get a teacher, and the teacher teaches you, and 187 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 5: he's your your sense. 188 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: For your entire career as a and so you're kind 189 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: of following their style right, right, And there might be 190 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: another man who has a different style, right and different 191 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: followers or paddawans, and your your styles will remain distinct. 192 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,199 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's how you get those different styles. You're like, oh, 193 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 5: this is tiger crane style like that that. Oh, there's 194 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 5: a lot of that. But but one thing with ty 195 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 5: Jin is that he's growing up and he doesn't want 196 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 5: to go into town because regular people don't like him. 197 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 5: They think he's he's weird, or he's a demon, or 198 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 5: he's an animal or whatever. Other things, whatever problems they 199 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 5: might have with the guy that is covered completely head 200 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 5: to toe in fur uh. And so he doesn't want 201 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 5: to go into town and do anything. He doesn't want 202 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 5: to get a job, he doesn't want to be a fisherman. 203 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 5: He doesn't want to go down to the market or anything. 204 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 5: So he stays at the temple for his whole life 205 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 5: and he just trains with these guys and all of 206 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 5: the different masters, like you know, these ten masters, they 207 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 5: have their padawans, but he's kind of all their kid, right, 208 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 5: so as he's being as he's growing up, they're all 209 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 5: kind of part of his childhood. So they all and 210 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 5: you know, and he's always kind of hanging around and oh, hey, 211 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 5: can you show me this? 212 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 4: Okay, can you show me this? This? This here? 213 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: And it is a is adoptive parents. It's like instead 214 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: of what is instead of three men and a baby, 215 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,319 Speaker 1: it's like ten kung fu masters and a were wolf. 216 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 3: So he basically gets all of the skills. Yeah, essentially, right. 217 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 5: The tutoring from ten masters all day long, every day 218 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 5: for his entire life, and he becomes the master of everything. Again, 219 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 5: Like we're going off of very difficult to track sources here, 220 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 5: But the idea is that he kind of becomes the 221 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 5: Wikipedia of Chinese martial arts. He can do two hundred 222 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 5: open hands systems, one hundred and forty weapons systems, which 223 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 5: I didn't even know there was such thing as two 224 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 5: hundred and forty weapons. 225 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 2: But can you be the five point palm exploding heart technique? 226 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 4: Yes, he literally can. It's called dim It's called the 227 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 4: death touch. I called them. 228 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 5: I called it the were wolf death touch in my 229 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 5: Badass of the Weak article, But it's not actually called that. 230 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 2: You know what. 231 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I learned this from your work, Ben. I learned 232 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: that there was a real death touch. And then I 233 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: also I remember, and this is a while back, when 234 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: I was reading this, I remember thinking something along the 235 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: lines what you just said. I was like, one hundred 236 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: and fifty, one hundred and forty different weapons systems. I 237 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: was like, they can't all be amazing, you know what 238 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: I mean? There have to be like a couple of 239 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: also rans, you. 240 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 5: Know, like that poor gladiator with the trident and the net, 241 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 5: and you're like, you, poor bastard, I won't give me 242 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 5: a sort of shield any day. 243 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 1: It's funny you're talking about that, because you know, as 244 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: a fellow Dungeons and Dragons fan, you'll appreciate this when 245 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 1: on a deep dive trying to learn whether tridents had 246 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: ever actually been used as a normalized weapon of war, 247 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: because the gladiators were so big on just novelty and 248 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: spectacle and impractical stuff. Right, everybody bare chest except from 249 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: my left shoulder, that's where the armor goes. 250 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, cool, look look at it shine like, Well, 251 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 6: the trident and net guy was a warrior of Poseidon, 252 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 6: so in the because they're all doing the gladiator stuff 253 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 6: for show, so they're all representing gods in different parts 254 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 6: of the. 255 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 5: World and things. So he's a warrior of Poseidon. So 256 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 5: the net and the trident are ocean things. 257 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 3: Super super inconvenient. 258 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 2: Great for like going fishing, you know, not for defending 259 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 2: yourself against the lion. 260 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: But for costume parties, great for dragon cones, great for dragging. 261 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 5: But because to what you were saying earlier too, because 262 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 5: you were like you were talking about, you know, not 263 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 5: having access to the good weapons, right, the peasantry of 264 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 5: of Fujin Province didn't have access to the good swords 265 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 5: and the good the good weapons and things. So you know, 266 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 5: in Japan it was illegal to have a sword in China, 267 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 5: you could, but it was expensive. 268 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 4: It was prohibitively expensive and to have a weapon. 269 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 2: And so now we think of the countries that don't 270 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 2: allow guns, is like everyone's got knives and that's. 271 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 3: The best they can do. 272 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a time where swords was chechno. These 273 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 2: swords were technology, the height of it, the best ones, 274 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 2: the sharpest steel they would hold that ads. 275 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 3: That was a big deal. Yeah. 276 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 5: Yeah, you gotta have something that can smelt that. You 277 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 5: gotta have some way of forging that. You gotta have 278 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 5: a guy that knows how to do that, right, And 279 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 5: your blacksmith in town is making nails and horseshoes, right, 280 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 5: he's not making chain mil armor and so yeah, so 281 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 5: I mean it's a lot of staff, spear that kind 282 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 5: of stuff. But in an open hand fighting, like you said, 283 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 5: because it's not like you don't need a sword. You 284 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 5: need a sword at this time period more than you 285 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 5: need arguably more than you need weapons today, because there 286 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 5: are like literally bandits and literal wolves and wild animals. 287 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 5: There's bears that like, there's pirates that there's all kinds 288 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 5: of crazy stuff that will like you know, you are 289 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 5: not immune in this time period in this part of 290 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 5: the world from like bandits showing up and setting your 291 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 5: village on fire, right. 292 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah yeah. And so now this kid is 293 00:14:53,600 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: becoming we're in that action montage, that training montage, yeah, 294 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: towards the end of the first act, beginning his second 295 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: act in our story, and now we see him, you know, 296 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: now he seem to doing like manthis style, switching his 297 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: some tiger crane. Somebody throws something behind his back and 298 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: he catches it without turning on right. 299 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 2: And then flash to he's he is a He's no 300 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 2: longer a wolf boy. He's a wolf man, and he 301 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 2: has given serious responsibility because of the fact that he 302 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 2: has mastered all of these techniques and is essentially like 303 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 2: the best one. 304 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: Oh the line the montage stops with someone saying, there's 305 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: no more we can teach him. 306 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 5: It's right, it cuts him and then the fan blows 307 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 5: the fur like dramatically in. 308 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 3: Front of him. 309 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 2: But what happens then, I mean he's he's at home 310 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 2: in this monastery. Is that like when do the big 311 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 2: bads come in that threaten their way of life? And 312 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 2: then he has to step up and like, you know, lead, 313 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 2: lead the way save the day. 314 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 5: So there's a couple of really good stories, and you know, 315 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 5: the the existence of this man is probable. These stories 316 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 5: are almost certainly a little bit more legendary than than 317 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 5: what we've already gotten into, right, Like, like I said, 318 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 5: there is a photo. I've seen two photos that are 319 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 5: purported to be of this guy. He's not wearing a 320 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 5: Shallolin costume or anything in them. He's wearing like a suit. 321 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 5: But you know, it's searchable. You can look up ty 322 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 5: Jin and see a photo of this person, and we're 323 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 5: pretty I'm pretty sure he existed for real. These stories 324 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 5: are kind of when you're getting into and like, I 325 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 5: don't know how this hasn't been a like Wu Tang 326 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 5: Clan movie, but it should be, you know, all right, Yeah, 327 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 5: I think we're kind of freestyling the script for it 328 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 5: right now. 329 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: So let's do it absolutely. Yeah, we got the mon guys. 330 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: We nailed that montage. 331 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 2: That was solid. Yeah, I think Rizzo would approve. Maybe 332 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 2: he'll do the soundtrack. 333 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Okay, So there's a couple of stories about 334 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 5: this guy. He becomes the first grand master of this 335 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 5: temple and which might be the Southern Shaalann temple, like 336 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 5: I said, I don't know about that, but he becomes 337 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 5: the grand Master, the first one, because these ten masters 338 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 5: have all combined their knowledge into this one. 339 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 4: Super super guy. 340 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 5: Okay, so this is where some of the really kind 341 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 5: of out there stories come from, but I will tell 342 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 5: them because they're cool. One of the stories that kind 343 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 5: of illustrates how good tai Jin became at fighting and 344 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 5: understanding the world around him is that he was entering 345 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 5: a class and there were twelve different monks there that 346 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:36,719 Speaker 5: we're going to have this class with him, and he 347 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 5: entered the classroom and then he pulls out a knife 348 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 5: and he throws it up into the ceiling and some 349 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 5: assassin like falls out of the rafters and he's like, 350 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 5: He's like, I heard thirteen breaths when I entered the room. 351 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 4: There must have been someone else. 352 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: Here, which is also what a tough first day of class, like, 353 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 1: he just punked the hell out all twelve of those folks. 354 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: You know, how long were they in that room? Right? Wait? 355 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 2: Wait, but these were these were these weren't like, this 356 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 2: wasn't a test. These were actual ninja assassins. 357 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 5: It was an actual assassin in the story has told 358 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 5: it's an actual assassin. I like to think that he 359 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 5: planted that guy there to intimidate his class. 360 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 4: For day one of being like, you know. 361 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,919 Speaker 1: The guy's an action, you know, got he got a plant, 362 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: and he just conveniently didn't tell him, hey, I'm going 363 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: to kill you. 364 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 5: At the end, probably was fine, he probably paid. I 365 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 5: think the whole thing was no. 366 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: Okay, but that that's a crazy impressive that's like, that's 367 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: like did it happen level impressive. 368 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, almost certainly, not almost certainly, this didn't happen. But 369 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 4: that's the story. 370 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 5: That's a story associated with him. And like I said, 371 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 5: we're gonna get into I'm going to get into a 372 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 5: couple more of these. One of these stories says that 373 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 5: he he would when he had run out of like 374 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 5: viable sparring partners in the temple, he would go into 375 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 5: the wilderness and like fight wild animals like wolves and 376 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:04,239 Speaker 5: bears and wrestling to kind of train himself. And and 377 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 5: he'd like you know, punch trees to tighten up his 378 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 5: knuckles and all of this kind of stuff that you 379 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 5: read about with that's. 380 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 2: All in the montage, right, Yeah, that's going. 381 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 3: Have you seen that movie? Are r R? 382 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 2: It's like Indian kind of giant action set piece film. 383 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 2: Great for best song, It's fabulous, But there is a 384 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 2: character who the first montage you see is him literally 385 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 2: swinging through the jungle and like fighting tigers and bears 386 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 2: for sport kind of you know, and it's makes me 387 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 2: think of the stuff you're describing here. It is an 388 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 2: excellent film. Highly recommend it also entirely mythology. 389 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, this is a jetly movie, like but one of 390 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 5: the ones that he makes in Hong Kong for Chinese audiences, 391 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 5: you know what I. 392 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: Mean, And while and check that stuff out while you're 393 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 1: waiting for Ridiculous History Studios to come out with h 394 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: the Taijin Story, which I see as the first of 395 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 1: a like a cinematic universe. 396 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 3: To Kung Fu Werewolf franchise. 397 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 5: There it is, right, yeah, and then you get you 398 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 5: get like the Space Traveler one, and then you combine 399 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,640 Speaker 5: them in the third movie. For that's when that's when 400 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 5: we all go to we were all astronauts. 401 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 2: Okay, it's gonna be it's gonna make sense that he 402 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 2: goes to space. It's all gonna make sense. 403 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 3: We're gonna earn it. 404 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 2: We're not just gonna chuck him into space just because no, 405 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 2: we're gonna it's gonna be a cliffhanger on the previous thing, 406 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 2: and there's villains space ninjas coming. 407 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I must go. 408 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: We know the guy who did the catering on the 409 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: Leprechawn franchise. So this is like high art. 410 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, shooting for it. But but how did okay? So Taijan. 411 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: This is just for a lot of these characters, uh, 412 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: these semi apocryphal characters in the historical record, they often 413 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 1: have one big story, you know what I mean, and 414 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 1: this guy has several. 415 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 5: Uh. 416 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: It doesn't stop with this, Frankly, I don't I don't 417 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 1: want to reuse the term. But it doesn't stop with 418 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 1: this badass killing of an assassin on the ceiling, right. 419 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 5: So the one of the big stories involving him is 420 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 5: that this coastal village of people that was near his 421 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 5: temple was coming under an attack from pirates. So there 422 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 5: there's a word for these people there called tohu. It's 423 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 5: a type of you know, the Chinese user to refer 424 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 5: to Japanese pirates that are kind of raiding the coastline. 425 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 5: And we don't know for sure if they're Japanese or whatever. 426 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 5: They just kind of called anybody who was who was 427 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 5: not Chinese who was raiding the coastline toho. But we 428 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 5: do know that like across the way in across the 429 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 5: Strait of Taiwan, Japan is moving into Taiwan. Okinawa is 430 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 5: near ish to the area, So it wouldn't be that 431 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 5: weird for there to be Japanese pirate raids along the 432 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 5: coast here, and if not, it could just be bandits 433 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,439 Speaker 5: or just regular old Chinese pirates. But this is a 434 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 5: thing that happened in coastal villages in the late nineteenth century. 435 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 5: And one of the stories says that ty Gin and 436 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 5: somebody led led his monks uh into combat against Japanese 437 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,919 Speaker 5: pirates who had kind of stopped to plunder the village. 438 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: They went onto onto the high seas. 439 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, yeah, I don't know if he I don't 440 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 5: know if he fought them on the coast or if 441 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 5: he got onto their boats. I love the idea of 442 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 5: thinking that he got onto their boats and was fighting boats. 443 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 5: That's just amazing to me, right, defending, defending the village 444 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 5: that didn't want him, nobody would adopt him, and and 445 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 5: he's still going. 446 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 2: Well again, he's bounding from boat to boat, taking people 447 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 2: out as he goes, I mean. 448 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 1: Inexplicably now, uh, in deep deep relationships with sharks. 449 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's ripping. 450 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,959 Speaker 5: Planks off the boats and they're sinking, you know, punching 451 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 5: bolts in the halls. 452 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 2: Bullet time shots of him like splintering wood. 453 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 3: You know. Sorry, we got to think about this cinematically. 454 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, So we do actually have stories of shellon monks 455 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 5: doing this kind of thing. So while we don't know 456 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 5: for sure if this story is true, there's like, the 457 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 5: only places this is mentioned is in very unreliable with 458 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 5: very unreliable narrators. But there is a very real, confirmed 459 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 5: story of shellon monks fighting these coastal raiders. It's a 460 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 5: little bit up north, and it's a couple of hundred 461 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 5: it's a couple of hundred years before this, but there 462 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 5: was a story of stories where the monks would come 463 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 5: to the aid of villages that were in trouble. And 464 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 5: in one particular of these stories, it was in the 465 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 5: fifteen fifty something, the one hundred pirates had come ashore 466 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 5: to plunder this town, and the monks showed up, and 467 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:39,919 Speaker 5: there were about one hundred monks that showed up and 468 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 5: they fought these guys and they beat down the pirates 469 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 5: and the pirates are running for it, and the Shellon 470 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 5: monks chased them for ten days across twenty miles of 471 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 5: swampland before and they don't stop until they've killed every 472 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 5: pirate that was involved in the raid. They lose four 473 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 5: monks in the battle. 474 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: That's what people don't think of when they think of Buddhism. Yeah, 475 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So wait, there were only 476 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: four monks. 477 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,880 Speaker 5: Only well, there were one hundred monks only four months die, 478 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 5: but one hundred only four Yeah, yeah, Like warrior monks 479 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 5: are crazy. 480 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 4: You know. 481 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 5: Japan has a huge culture of like warrior monks who 482 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 5: resisted the emperor of you know, fighting with naginadas and 483 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 5: stuff like that, and I mean just really tough guys. 484 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 5: And they lived up in these mountains that you couldn't 485 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 5: get up to them. And there was a temple of 486 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 5: of Buddhist monks in Japan that they were able to 487 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 5: resist Nobunaga for like thirty days or something. He couldn't 488 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 5: take there, couldn't take their fort. 489 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 4: Wow, it's really cool stuff. 490 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: This is making me think that it's quite possible the 491 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: individual taij in may have become sort of an historical 492 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: repository for these true stories about many different people. 493 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 4: It seems that way. 494 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 5: That's how I feel about it, and that's kind of 495 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 5: why I don't have too much of a problem talking 496 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 5: about them, because I, like you said, I like to 497 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 5: back up the stories and review the sources and all 498 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 5: of that, and something like this is kind of it's 499 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 5: such a cool story, but it's so like, it's kind 500 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 5: of so out there and it's so hard to verify 501 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 5: any of this stuff. I like it as an opportunity 502 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 5: to talk about the history of were wolves and the 503 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 5: history of Fred Petris and of this skin condition, and 504 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 5: of showIn monks in general, warrior monk culture. Like it's 505 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 5: cool stuff, kung fu like everything well. 506 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 2: On our other podcast Ben and I do with our 507 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 2: buddy Matt called stuff they Don't want you to know. 508 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 2: It's a critical thinking conspiracy podcast. A lot of times 509 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 2: conspiracies and conspiracy theories are a way in to talk 510 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 2: about a larger question, you know, whether it be existential 511 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 2: or historical or like, what's at play here? 512 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 3: Why do people think this? You know? 513 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 2: And we're not here to tell you yes, this conspiracy 514 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 2: is true. Yes, we're debunking this or whatever. But it's 515 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 2: just always a fun way in so, even if we 516 00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,239 Speaker 2: take it with a grain of salt and are very 517 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 2: transparent about it, is a fun thought experiment and conversation. 518 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 2: And speaking of that with Tai Jim, what's all this 519 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 2: about him burning down at temple? Yeah, that doesn't sound 520 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 2: like good guy behavior. 521 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: No, that's our that's our third act twist, I think. 522 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 4: See this is the third act twist. Yeah, exactly. 523 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 5: He's fighting off monks, and I do like this story 524 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 5: of like, you know, the hundred monks running and I'm 525 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 5: picturing them with bostaffs, right because they probably didn't run. 526 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 3: Down crouching tiger stuff. Yeah, just flying. 527 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know what, forget the historical accuracy. They 528 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 1: are doing parkour. 529 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 3: They're very visibly do it. 530 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: Like shallan spider man is what I want us to 531 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 1: tell the cinematographer. 532 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 5: But yeah, so it's kind of what I was saying 533 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 5: with those the Japanese monks who resisted Nobunaga. One problem 534 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 5: with Buddhist monks in the eye of the emperor is 535 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 5: that the emperor of China and Japan and any other place, 536 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 5: the shogun, the warlords, they don't want you to be 537 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 5: paying attention to some worshiping some other god. The emperor 538 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 5: is all that you need, right, Like, these guys have 539 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 5: their own code, they have their own ideas, they think 540 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,439 Speaker 5: about this. They're not in the system right and so 541 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 5: in a lot of a lot of ways their trouble 542 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 5: and so they can cause problems. Sometimes the emperors used them. 543 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 5: There was a battle in like six hundred when the 544 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:34,360 Speaker 5: Tong dynasty was being formed, and he recruited Shaolin monks 545 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 5: to have battles in the mountains against his enemies. And 546 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 5: he was like, oh, well, I'll give you, like you know, 547 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 5: I'll give you some concessions. You guys can kind of 548 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 5: be autonomous and do your own thing, but you have 549 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 5: to help me win win the empire. 550 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 4: And they did, and they go into battle and. 551 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 5: They beat up all of these bad guys and are 552 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 5: bad guys, but they beat up all of the enemies 553 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 5: of the future Tong emperor. 554 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 1: It reminds me a little bit in some ways of 555 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: the relationship that the Temple Knights had with the bluling 556 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: powers of their day. Right where they would be they 557 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:11,120 Speaker 1: were useful as special forces essentially, but then if they 558 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 1: became ideologically problematic. There wasn't really anything to stop the 559 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 1: ruler from saying, these folks. 560 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 3: Are verboting, you're out. It's exactly, do not pass go Okay. Yeah, 561 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 3: So they. 562 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 5: They're useful because and you can predict what they're gonna 563 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 5: do because they have a code of conduct that they 564 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 5: don't want to shake. So it's it's predictable, you know 565 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 5: what they're going to do. So yeah, they're very good. 566 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 5: Shalon monks have been used in battle by emperors or 567 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 5: want to be emperors. Uh, you know they're not gonna 568 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 5: you don't want to put them in front of a 569 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 5: cavalry charge. But if you've got to like fight some 570 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 5: guys on some tough terrain in the mountains, or you know, 571 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 5: you want to ambush some people who aren't really ready 572 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 5: for it, or have them hold a pass like they 573 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 5: they're they're very effective at what they do, which is 574 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 5: fight hand to hand. 575 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 1: We need monks, Yeah, absolutely, we need like a crew 576 00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: of Shaolin monks. 577 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, like on retainer. 578 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, anyone to go around the grocery store with 579 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 5: me and kind of make sure the aisles are clear. 580 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: I okay, poist to bin for the specificity on that 581 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: one I don't know what happened to you in Asle 582 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: nine man, but they've. 583 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 3: Really left the mark. 584 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 5: They're just always stocking the thing that I need, or 585 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 5: it's it's always some slow person with a double cart 586 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 5: trying to and if. 587 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: They're stocking, you have to do the thing with the 588 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: forced conversation where you're like, oh, hey, I just. 589 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 5: Need to in here a second and look at this 590 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 5: display because I don't actually know what I want yet, 591 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 5: So I'm just gonna stand over you for a minute. 592 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 3: You know, you get in there, right. 593 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 5: I don't know if I need the extra extra pimento 594 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 5: for the olives or what do I need black green? 595 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 4: I don't know. 596 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 5: Wouldn't it be easier to just get tied into roundhouse, 597 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 5: kick that dude in the head, and then you have 598 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 5: plenty of time to stand there and make your decision. 599 00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 3: The story is true. Villains, I would argue solution oriented though. 600 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: I like it because it feels like it's it feels 601 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: like something that's happened to a lot of us has 602 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: nothing due tize in. But you know, you've been in 603 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: this situation where you're thinking, I don't really want a 604 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: bunch of extra conversations, so while this really slow person 605 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: is apparently having an existential crisis about this tomato sauce. 606 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna stand next to them and look like I'm 607 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: interested in something I know I'm not. 608 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,479 Speaker 2: I just don't think this would meet the code of 609 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 2: the challenge. I just don't think this would fit the 610 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 2: bill for them. They would probably have to have to 611 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 2: be a pass for them. 612 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 1: They might they might, you know what, they might have 613 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: follow up questions. They might say, like, well, which grocery 614 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: store is it? Because we respect the code of trader. 615 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 2: Joe, Yeah, exactly, but public's is the public's their game? 616 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, see in that in that instance, I have to do. 617 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 5: I have to become the emperor of China here, because 618 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 5: the emperor at this point, he's the We're in the 619 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 5: Chin Dynasty, which is run by a group of people 620 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 5: called the Manchus who are up north there, not ethnic 621 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 5: Han Chinese, and so the ethnic Han Chinese don't like 622 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 5: them as much, and they're kind of cracking down a 623 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 5: little bit on some of the Buddhism stuff, and the 624 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 5: monks don't like it, and the monks speak out against 625 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 5: the Chin dynasty. And if you are the emperor of 626 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 5: the Chin dynasty. You got to get rid of these guys, right, 627 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 5: they're a problem. You're you're useful until you're not useful 628 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 5: to me, and now you're a problem. So the Chin 629 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 5: dynasty sends troops to burn this monastery to the ground, 630 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 5: and so ti Jin is not the problem here. There's 631 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 5: there's two guys that kind of run this monastery as 632 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 5: as with them, assuming it was run the same way 633 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 5: as the regular Shellin monastery up north, which is you 634 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 5: have like a spiritual leader who kind of runs the 635 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 5: whole show, and then ty Jin is the is the 636 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 5: combat instructor. He's the main fighting guy, but he's not 637 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 5: the spiritual head of the of the thing. And so 638 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 5: for whatever reason, politics get involved, and the temple has 639 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 5: a problem with the emperor, and the emperor decides that 640 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 5: these guys got to go, and he sends an army 641 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 5: and there's a there's a battle. 642 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 4: The monks try to. 643 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 5: Fight these guys off, but it's hard, right, I mean, 644 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 5: they've got armor and swords and horses and all these things. 645 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 5: And so what ends up happening is the monastery kind 646 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 5: of partly under tai Jin's direction, they clear all their 647 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 5: stuff out, they clear their people out, a group of 648 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 5: monks stays to try to buy them time, some kind 649 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 5: of like a little last stand. Various sources argue on this, 650 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 5: like some say they they stood and fought, and only 651 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 5: a handful survived thirteen, sometimes say five. Some say thirteen. 652 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 5: A small group of monks survived this battle. Others say 653 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 5: that everybody just left before the emperor got there. And 654 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 5: in whatever happens in this battle, Taijin survives, and the 655 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 5: temple was burned to the ground, and we don't know, 656 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 5: we've never found it, we don't really know where it is. 657 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 2: I love the idea of the preemptive torching. I think 658 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 2: that's yeah, that's very very clever. Yeah, you know, doesn't 659 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 2: exactly make sense. They could have just taken their stuff 660 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 2: and then you know, hit the road. But it's a 661 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 2: nice flourish when, like, you know, I get these soldiers 662 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 2: just ready to burn some to the ground and they 663 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 2: get their weight at what it's already burning. 664 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 5: Too. 665 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess we'll go back home. 666 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: I mean, that's pretty that's pretty metal. Very bad ass, Yeah, 667 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: very bad ass. 668 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 4: So let's recap infant born super hairy. 669 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 2: Uh. 670 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 5: They think it's a demon. They leave him in the forest, 671 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 5: he's rescued by Shlin monks. He learns from all of 672 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 5: the great masters of this monastery, becomes the first true 673 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 5: grand master, defends the village, does some fights of bear, 674 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 5: and then at the end he's the only grand master 675 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 5: that this temple will ever have because he burns the 676 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 5: whole place to the ground on. 677 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 4: His way at the door. 678 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 1: Epic epic. That's our log line. And this is okay, 679 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:51,719 Speaker 1: so and again the late eighteen hundreds right by this, 680 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 1: there's a photograph of this guy. 681 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, like that's how recent. 682 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 3: He is and so wild. 683 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: So I remember that there is a bit of a denument, 684 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:09,439 Speaker 1: as we would say here. He does survive all these 685 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: trials and tribulations. According to according to the story, he 686 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 1: lives well into old age, Isn't that correct? 687 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,439 Speaker 5: Yeah, The story goes that he dies in nineteen twenty 688 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 5: eight at the age of seventy nine. The monks kind 689 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 5: of disperse and like continue their teachings, but not in 690 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 5: like an organized fashion. Again, and so that's the story. 691 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 5: Like I said, the sources on here are very unreliable 692 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 5: and very bad, and a lot of it is you know, 693 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 5: has to be taken with a ton of salt. One 694 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 5: of the things that I like to joke about is 695 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,840 Speaker 5: that they're the One of the Horde priest trainers in 696 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 5: the world of warcraft is named tai Jin and she 697 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 5: has a much longer WOWPDA. 698 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 4: Entry than Tijin as Wikipedia entry. 699 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: So speaking of here, here are other things that happened 700 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,359 Speaker 1: right around this time, the time of this guy's death, 701 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: just to give us the historical context. No, I know 702 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: you and I are both endlessly fascinated with nineteen twenty 703 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 1: eight when when he passes away at the age of 704 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: seventy nine. Here are some things that are believed to 705 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: be invented that year, the recliner, like the lazy Boy, 706 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: ice cube trays, bubble gum, clip on ties, and the 707 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:28,280 Speaker 1: electric razor. 708 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 2: I mean, hell, my dad was born only ten years 709 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 2: later than this, and he was pretty old. 710 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,240 Speaker 3: But that's wild. 711 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,360 Speaker 2: And again, the details of the story, because of its isolation, 712 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,799 Speaker 2: really does read like an epic, you know, kind of 713 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 2: fantasy Kung Fu crouch t. 714 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, it really is. 715 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 2: And does it all feel separate from history in its 716 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 2: own way. It's like in its own little bubble. 717 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 1: Yeah. 718 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 5: And that's what you said about feeling ancient, right, because 719 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 5: when you picture Shaalin kung fu monk fighting pirates. You 720 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 5: don't picturing so like eighteen you know, let's say he 721 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,799 Speaker 5: was in his thirties when this happened. And I do 722 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 5: think that there is a lot of what we were 723 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 5: talking about before of like ascribing things that everything that 724 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,439 Speaker 5: every badass monk did to this guy, because like now this, Yeah, 725 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,239 Speaker 5: it's like if he's in his thirties, right, So let's 726 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,359 Speaker 5: say let's say we're looking at like eighteen eighty, uh, 727 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 5: when those pirates show up and he has to like 728 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,399 Speaker 5: defend the coastline against the pirates. The Japanese had bolt 729 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 5: action rifles in eighteen eighty, you know, like we're not 730 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 5: talking swords, you know, So like I don't know, I 731 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 5: think it makes it harder to buy that this happened 732 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 5: the way that it was written. But you know, but 733 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 5: the Arisaka rifle was like introduced around that time period. 734 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 1: And we can't you know, it's so attempting to compare 735 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:46,240 Speaker 1: apples and oranges, like like, I'm I will be honest 736 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 1: with you guys, I never thought about it, but I 737 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 1: find myself looking down on the inventor of the clip 738 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 1: on tie a little bit because you lived in the 739 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,319 Speaker 1: same world as this guy, and your contribution is that 740 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:57,080 Speaker 1: I can't talk. 741 00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:57,839 Speaker 3: Man. 742 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: One time, I fell asleep trying to put out a pants. 743 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 1: People are out here changing the world. 744 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:03,840 Speaker 3: Is important to certain people. 745 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 2: You know. I have to look up a YouTube video 746 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,479 Speaker 2: every time I tie a tie. But I would never 747 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 2: be cut dead in a clip on. I will look 748 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 2: up that YouTube video. 749 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll tell you though. Uh I I 750 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 1: feel like I may be unfairly denegrading this well meaning 751 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 1: inventor who is just trying to save time for children. 752 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 3: Let's just think of it as for children. Okay, you're right, 753 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 3: You're right. I'd be really. 754 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 5: Rough on the thing that comes up for me a 755 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,720 Speaker 5: lot is that. Like, you know, so I do Badass 756 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 5: of the Week. I got the podcast, I got the website. 757 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 3: It's a badass. 758 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 5: And so people come to People will sometimes get kind 759 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 5: of their back up and be like, what. 760 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 4: Do you what's so badass about you? Dude? Nothing? Nothing, 761 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 4: man Like I can't talk to you about it? Yeah, let. 762 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, you go have your conquest. I'll be I'll be stonius. 763 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 5: I'll write the story when you get back, but please 764 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 5: don't hit me. 765 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 2: Right, it's a little easier for us because people ask 766 00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:58,799 Speaker 2: us what's they don't have to ask us what's so 767 00:37:58,840 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 2: ridiculous about it? 768 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 3: Because it's clear. Yeah, and we walk into a room 769 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 3: there it is. 770 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 1: Messed up that we can vote, that's true. So this 771 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: is the uh So this is where I think we 772 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 1: begin to wrap the story a little bit then, because 773 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,720 Speaker 1: people are going to have to learn more by going 774 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 1: to the podcast bad Ass of the Week, which. 775 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 2: Exists wherever you get your fine podcast material really quickly 776 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 2: that I wanted to point something out that you did 777 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 2: mention in the article on the website that this condition. 778 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 4: This uh hypercusis. 779 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:35,440 Speaker 2: That's the one is typically life threatening. Oh that's right, right, 780 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 2: And like this this guy lived to the ripe old 781 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,439 Speaker 2: age of roughly seventy nine. 782 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,359 Speaker 3: You know, they don't, we know. And it's rare in. 783 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 2: The first place, So how much even more rare must 784 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 2: it be to have the version of it that you 785 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,840 Speaker 2: can basically lived and. 786 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 3: Then even those days that was a that was a 787 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 3: long life. 788 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,719 Speaker 5: And he's fighting pirates and bears too, right, Like that's 789 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 5: that's not good for your and he's an enemy of 790 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 5: the emperor. It's not great for longevity. But yeah, like 791 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,880 Speaker 5: we've got maybe fifty people. Well, I think over the 792 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,920 Speaker 5: course of like, you know, because this is a thing 793 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:04,840 Speaker 5: that is documented pretty well, because they'll be like, oh 794 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 5: do this guy at all, you know, and you can 795 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,239 Speaker 5: run into some really bad stuff with this. 796 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 4: I think, you know, they like a lot of like 797 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:11,920 Speaker 4: sideshow kind of stuff. 798 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 5: From the eighties, eighteen eighties, you know, like the Jojo, 799 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 5: the dog faced boy and you're like, oh god, I 800 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 5: don't want to say that out loud, but it's worth 801 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:24,319 Speaker 5: mentioning in context with hyper trickosis because that's how these 802 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,239 Speaker 5: people were viewed by by the societies and at the time, right, 803 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:29,279 Speaker 5: Like and so. 804 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,760 Speaker 1: It's he's playing life on hard mode, right. 805 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 5: And it's cool that he was able to have so 806 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 5: much success with it, which you know, it's inspiring, right. 807 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 1: And and couldn't be couldn't be happier to have you 808 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 1: join us this week on on our Little show Man again, 809 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,080 Speaker 1: as you said off here, big big fans, and thank 810 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 1: you so much. 811 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:49,359 Speaker 3: Ben. 812 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 1: Where can people learn more? Not just about the podcast, 813 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,120 Speaker 1: which as we say, is available everywhere you find your 814 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 1: favorite shows, but where can where can our fellow ridiculous 815 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,680 Speaker 1: historians learn more about your work? Learn more about your books? 816 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:03,880 Speaker 3: And so on. 817 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,880 Speaker 5: Okay, so the website is Badass of theweek dot com. 818 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,440 Speaker 5: It's all one word and it should should pop up 819 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,400 Speaker 5: and then all them books are on Amazon or whatever 820 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 5: else and. 821 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 3: Hey, you get busy. 822 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 2: Well, thanks again for hanging with us, man, and look 823 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,719 Speaker 2: forward to hopefully having you back again, or maybe we 824 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,800 Speaker 2: can I don't know, continue this ridiculous history love fest 825 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:27,760 Speaker 2: in the future. 826 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you guys so much. I'm a fan of 827 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 4: your guys as well. I'm a I'm a longtime. 828 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,160 Speaker 1: Subscriber, so oh gret was really. 829 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:36,520 Speaker 5: A good opportunity for me to be on here, so 830 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:37,400 Speaker 5: I'm very happy about it. 831 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 3: Do you hear that? 832 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:38,319 Speaker 4: Bill? 833 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,880 Speaker 1: We're coming up in the world. Maybe it's time to 834 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 1: buy some clip on ties. Never, I agreed, I agreed. 835 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 3: We'll see you next time, folks. 836 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 2: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 837 00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,240 Speaker 2: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.