1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:06,559 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:09,039 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks. 3 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:09,399 Speaker 2: DJ. 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: Buck back with you, Buck. What's going on? 5 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:12,479 Speaker 2: Man? Not too much? 6 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: DJ. 7 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 3: I'm really excited about this episode because so long, for 8 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 3: so long we as evaluators, we always talk about players, 9 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 3: and maybe we don't necessarily give the coaches they do 10 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 3: in terms of how they can impact the squad. What Today, 11 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 3: We're going to do that because we will ranked the 12 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 3: hit coaches within the division, and I think we will 13 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 3: see when we tabulate all of the findings, we probably 14 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 3: see their coaches have a bigger influence in terms of 15 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 3: who wins and who loses on each weekend. 16 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna have a fun conversation with the coaches 17 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:42,959 Speaker 1: in the division, and then we are going to tabulate 18 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: the results from our little project that we did looking 19 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: at skill players on offense. Then we went through defense 20 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: with the three levels. The one thing we did that 21 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: we left out, which we will get to on a 22 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: episode as we get a little bit closer to the season. 23 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: We're going to leave the offensive line alone as their 24 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: own conversation piece. Chance to talk about that a little 25 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 1: bit later on in the off season. But this is 26 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: a fun project that we've been working on. Here, Buck, 27 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: Let's let's get going here. Let's start in the AFC. 28 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: We'll start in the AFC East. Let's get to the 29 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: head coaches in this division. One through four will knock those. 30 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 3: Out when I think about the AFC East in ranking 31 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 3: the coaches. Look, I'm gonna start with Sean McDermott, Mike McDaniel, 32 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 3: so let's go Buffalo Miami. Then you have kind of 33 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 3: the unknown and Jared May. Then I'm gonna go Salah 34 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 3: and then jere Mayer of just because I don't have 35 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 3: enough and so is a situation where Sean McDermott, to me, 36 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 3: is experienced. They've dominated division. He's a really, really good 37 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 3: coach in terms of putting the pieces of the Bulls together. 38 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 3: And even though he has moved around when it comes 39 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 3: to the coordinators, the Buffalo Bills continue and consistently are 40 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 3: a team that is always there at the end. 41 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 2: So to me give me the former wrestler Sean mcderhtt 42 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 2: All right. 43 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: Buck, I'm with you, one, two, three, four. I don't 44 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: know how you would go any other way. I think 45 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: we might see this as we go through this exercise 46 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: on the coaches that feel like there's a little it's 47 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: a little more direct and distinct. But you gotta go 48 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: Sean McDermott for all that he's accomplished, all the division titles, 49 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: he's wrecked up there in Buffalo. He's always going to 50 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: have a tough, discipline team. He's won Mike McDaniel, who 51 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:16,519 Speaker 1: has proven obviously to be one of the most dynamic 52 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,959 Speaker 1: offensive minds in football for quite some time. And that's 53 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 1: manifested itself. What we've seen from this Dolphins team at 54 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: two Mayo and Sala again look Sala. The wins have 55 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: not been there, But I do think he has control 56 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 1: of the locker room. I do think he's well respected there. 57 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: I have him at three and Mayo as TVD. We 58 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: don't know yet. I'm excited about him. I know he's 59 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: somebody that's really bright and it's really tough, and that 60 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: has has earned a reputation inside that building, which I 61 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: think will make the transition easy for him. But he 62 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 1: comes in at number four. 63 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, look, it's tough, but DJ this division that's coming 64 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 2: up next to AFC. 65 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: North, how fun with this one at the top. 66 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 3: This was look, man, this is probably the hardest one 67 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 3: to evaluate when it came to the coaches. And so look, 68 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 3: I put it in the I put Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Cleveland, 69 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 3: and Cincinnati. And look, I feel horrible about this because 70 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 3: I'm sitting here, like, how can I put Zach Taylor 71 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 3: at the bottom of the list when Zach Taylor's been 72 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 3: to a Super Bowl? How can I put Kevin Stefanski 73 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 3: kind of at the bottom when he's won Coach of 74 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,559 Speaker 3: the Year twice and he's done it like against improbable 75 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 3: odds in multiple situations, when he loses all of his 76 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 3: quarterbacks but still finds a way to get the team 77 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 3: to the winner circle. And Mike Tomlin and John Harbroll, 78 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 3: you have two super Bowl coaches, two coaches who have 79 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 3: really been able to kind of make the most of 80 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 3: the least. And when this is just a division where 81 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 3: I mean you just talk about like the x'es and 82 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 3: o's and the motivational and the motivational part of and 83 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 3: the culture. 84 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 2: Building, these guys hit it. 85 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 3: They understand their team, they understand how to get their 86 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 3: team going, and they don't make excuses when their team 87 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 3: is short or has a deficiency. To me, those are 88 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 3: the qualities and trades that you look for in a 89 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 3: head coach, and look they AFC North has four terrific coaches. 90 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: Sometimes you pick up a little bag of apples at 91 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: the grocery store buck and you just you're trying to 92 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: see if there's a bad one in there, right, You're 93 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: going through and like, ah, this one's a little squishy, 94 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: this is there's no bad coach in this division. I mean, 95 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: this is an excellent division of coaches. I ended up 96 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 1: with Harball one, Tomlin two, Stefanski three, Zach Taylor four, 97 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: And again, Zach Taylor is a really good coach who's 98 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: taking a team to a Super Bowl. So I don't 99 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: think there's a bad one in the bunch. I ended 100 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:29,679 Speaker 1: up going Harball over Tomlin. It's obviously very close. Both 101 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 1: guys with long track records. I think they might be 102 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: the you know, I think they might be the two 103 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: longest tenured coaches in the NFL. With Andy Reid with 104 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 1: the Chiefs maybe third in that mix, but those are 105 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: those are long term guys. I think Harball I give 106 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: him the edge there just because I think that he's 107 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 1: he's morphed and maybe been a little quicker to adjust 108 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: and adapt and morph, and I think obviously being way 109 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 1: ahead of the curve with what they did with Lamar Jackson, 110 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Harball one. But man, there's no again, 111 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: no bad options there in the AFC North. How about 112 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: the AFC South. The AFC South is interesting. 113 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 3: So I'm gonna go with Houston, Jacksonville, Indianapolis and Tennessee 114 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 3: Houston just because of remarkable job that Demico Ryans did 115 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 3: in his first year won the division when no one 116 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 3: thought this team was gonna be remotely competitive. I just 117 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 3: think he has some of the secret sauce that you 118 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 3: look for in the coach. The real conversation, the tough 119 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 3: conversation for me was Jacksonville versus Indianapolis. You're talking about 120 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 3: Doug Peterson versus Shane Styke, and Shane stykeing did a 121 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 3: terrific job, right, we lose his quarterback. 122 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 2: Finds a way to win with Gorner Minshew. 123 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 3: But the deciding fact it was me is just the 124 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 3: fact that Doug Peterson has the Super Bowl ring on 125 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 3: the resume, So that tipped it in his favor by 126 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 3: that conversation between two and three and stuff, and in 127 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 3: Brian Callahan, we just don't have it it. 128 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 2: We haven't seen him. Who's I know this? 129 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 3: I know having his dad on staff, I arguably the 130 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 3: best offensive line coach in football, is going to help 131 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 3: him close the gap on the competitors and maybe one 132 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 3: of the reasons why the Tennessee Titans win more games 133 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,119 Speaker 3: than many envision hiad into this season. 134 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: Well, this is one I think I had the exact 135 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 1: same order, right, Miko Ryans won, Doug Peterson two, Shane 136 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: Stike in three, Callahan four. But I'll be honest, I mean, 137 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: are we crazy for having Demiko over Doug when Doug's 138 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: got a Super Bowl to his name and a longer 139 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: track record there? But what Demiko did year one was 140 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: so darn impressive. Man. Maybe it's recncy bias, obviously there's 141 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: not a lot to go off of there, but I 142 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: look at his track record as a coordinator first of all. 143 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: I look at his tracker as a player, then as 144 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: a coordinator, and then to do what he did in 145 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 1: year one, I'm with you. I thought maybe I'd be 146 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: alone on that one having him one buck, But that 147 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 1: was impressive what he did last year. 148 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 3: Look, it was super impressive. The fact that he was 149 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 3: able to kind of get them going. And I think 150 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 3: we have to have a little recency bias. I mean, 151 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 3: this team is loaded, this team is a division winner, 152 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 3: this team won a playoff game, and this team has 153 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 3: a better roster coming into the year, which makes you 154 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 3: think that they would do more things. Doug Peterson is 155 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 3: a great coach in his own right. 156 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 2: But man, I just don't know how you can deny 157 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 2: what Demiko rance dinn in his first year, right. 158 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 3: I mean, from playing being a coordinated to then taking 159 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 3: over a team that man a franchise that was down 160 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 3: trotten and get them up and going. 161 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 2: Speaks volumes about his acumen. 162 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: All right, this one's again, this might this might be 163 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: surprising here. I'm I'm curious to see where you are 164 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: in the AFC West. What do you got? 165 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 2: Uh? Okay, So let's go Kansas City, Chargers, Denver, then 166 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 2: the Las Vegas Raiders and Kansas City. I think is easy. 167 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 2: Andy Reid, look, man, he's an all timer the Chargers. Look. 168 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: Man, I'm drinking too that two and three. I have 169 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: the same two and three. I thought I was gonna 170 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: be on an island. 171 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 3: Man, I'm drinking all the Jim harpercoole. But I think, 172 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 3: why wouldn't you like DJ, just being on the West 173 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 3: Coast when I was area scout, just watching what he 174 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 3: did at USD University of San Diego, then going to Stanford, 175 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 3: then doing it with the Niners, then going to Michigan 176 00:07:57,920 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 3: and doing it. 177 00:07:58,400 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 2: The dude wins. 178 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 3: Every and he's done it with a variety of different 179 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 3: personnelit that he's been given. He has not always had 180 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 3: the best players, but he's found a way to build 181 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 3: the best teams. And look, man, I find myself clicking 182 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 3: over charges dot com and looking at the videos and 183 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 3: hearing the players and what they're talking about and how 184 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 3: they're getting after it. 185 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 2: DJ. 186 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 3: To me, it just seems like a recipe that the 187 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 3: Charge is gonna win because this is what Jim Harbaugh does. 188 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: So let me just let me give you a question 189 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: and see how you answer this. And maybe because I 190 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: know people are gonna be going, you guys are crazy. 191 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: John Payton has been at the playoffs a million times. 192 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: Sean Payton's won a Super Bowl, But let me ask you, 193 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: what's the greater accomplishment to win one Super Bowl with 194 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,319 Speaker 1: Drew Brees over all those years, or to go to 195 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl with Colin Kaepernick. What what was the 196 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: more impressive feat? Well, look, I think it's the more 197 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: impressive people. Because before you even get to Colin Kaepernick, 198 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: does anyone remember the conversation about Alex Smith prior to 199 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: Jim Harby getting there price right, Jim Barr completely turned 200 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: around Alex Smith, had Alex Smith playing at a Pro 201 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: Bowl level. 202 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 2: Makes a bold move when. 203 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 3: Alex Smith gets hurt, puts Colin Kaepernick in and says, 204 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 3: you know what, We're gonna ride the young fellow the 205 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 3: rest of the way. 206 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 2: Go to him. 207 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: I mean, DJ, it's close to winning the Super Bowl. 208 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 3: Close and so to me is the adaptability that he's displayed. 209 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 3: And when I talk about being able to do it 210 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 3: with a bunch of different types, because remember he won 211 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 3: with Andrew Luck at Stanford, who is as classic as 212 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 3: they come. Then deal with Alex Smith and Colin Kaepernick 213 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 3: and to find a way to continue to win the 214 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 3: way that he wanted Michigan or whatever. To me, he 215 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 3: just understands I can be whatever I need to be 216 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 3: to get my team to win with what I have. 217 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 2: To me, that's just a sign of superior coaching. Yep. 218 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: And look again, what he did at Michigan is no 219 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: joke either in a everywhere he's gone, it's been stacked 220 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: against him. If you look at it. You go to 221 00:09:55,120 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: Stanford when sc is rolling, Oregon is rolling, and he 222 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 1: he blows right through the conference. He goes and now 223 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: it took him a while. It took him a while 224 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: there at Michigan. But when he went there, Ohio State's 225 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 1: on top of the mountain, and everybody thought, this will 226 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: he'll never be able to climb that hurdle. I mean, 227 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:13,599 Speaker 1: they had been manhandled by them, and it took a 228 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: little bit. But now that has been a lopsided rivalry 229 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 1: in Michigan's favor. He's you know, he went to the 230 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: Niners when the Niners were down. He's He's done this 231 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: everywhere he's ever gone. So I even look at this 232 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: and go like Andy Reid is he is. Andy Reid 233 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: might be on the mount rushmore of NFL coaches like 234 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: he is. He is headed there. He's in the conversation 235 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: all time. So it looks insurmountable when you have Patrick 236 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: Mahomes and Andy Reid there, that looks like this. It's 237 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: been a it's been a run there. They have dominated 238 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: this division. I'm not putting a past Jim Harbaugh. He's 239 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: done it everywhere he's ever been. 240 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 3: Man, I just think the response from the players tells 241 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 3: you everything. Like I saw Eastern Stick talk about just 242 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 3: the little things in terms of like how he coaches 243 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 3: the backup quarterbacks and how he has Eastern Stick in 244 00:10:58,040 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 3: different periods like, Hey, I want you to go a 245 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 3: aggressively and go for it. I want you to try 246 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 3: and fit these tight window throws. And then he'd go 247 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 3: to another period and say, now we're going to dial 248 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 3: it back. We can play a little more conservative. We 249 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 3: need to make sure that we are stacking completions and 250 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 3: playing and DJ like when I hear that without even knowing, 251 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 3: I'm like, he is teaching him how. 252 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 2: To play situation of football based on what we are. 253 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 3: And so much of being a great coach is in 254 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 3: your ability to really get people to pay attention to 255 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 3: the details. 256 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 2: To me, that's what Jim Harbad does. 257 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 3: And he may be quirky and all that, I just 258 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 3: know I've seen the product too many times to bid 259 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 3: against him. 260 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, And going back to you know the comparison of 261 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: Drew Brees and Colin Kaepernick, I'm not taking a shot 262 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: at Colin Kapernick. I'm just saying Drew Brees was viewed 263 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: as a top three quarterback for over a decade, like 264 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: literally one of the three best quarterbacks. Colin Kaepernick during 265 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: his run was never considered one of the top you know, three, 266 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: five seven quarterbacks in the NFL. And what I'm getting 267 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: is he got the best at of everybody that he had, 268 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: and he's done that everywhere he's been. And that's not 269 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: a shot on Sean Payton had a lot of success 270 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: there and they got hoes in the playoffs against the Rams. 271 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: Everybody knows you know, the story there as well. But 272 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: you know, I think that's a you know, it's a 273 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: good conversation. It's a good debate to have between Sean 274 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: Payton and Jim Harball. It's a fun one. All right, 275 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: Let's take a break, let's come back, and we'll knock 276 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: out the NFC, all right, buck, NFC East one, two, 277 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 1: three four. How do you want to roll? 278 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 3: This is gonna shock people, but I'm gonna go with 279 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 3: the Dallas Cowboys, the Philadelphia Eagles, the Washington Commanders, and 280 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 3: then the New York Giants. 281 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 2: And to me, it's Mike. 282 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,199 Speaker 3: McCarthy and I know people love to talk about the 283 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys shortcomings. They haven't been able to go to 284 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 3: a super Bowl, they haven't done this and that. But 285 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 3: I know he's put up three straight seasons where they've 286 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 3: had twelve wins. 287 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 2: He has a super Bowl on his resume, did. 288 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 3: A lot of great things in Green Bay, and whether 289 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 3: you want to credit Aaron Rodgers or whatever, he deserves 290 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 3: credit for getting that team to play up to a 291 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 3: championship level under his watch. 292 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy to me, is underrated. 293 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 3: And even though it's gonna be chaotic this year and 294 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 3: people are going to like take him and Dak Prescott 295 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 3: the I just think they find a way to win 296 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 3: because he is really good at what he does. And 297 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 3: even though they haven't had the big success that Cowboys 298 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 3: fans won't, I think it's hard to spew thirty six 299 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 3: plus wins in three years since he's been at the. 300 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: Top, well year man twelve a year, and you go 301 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: back to a nice long run that he had in 302 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 1: Green Bay. He's got a Super Bowl. So I've got McCarthy, Sirianni, 303 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,559 Speaker 1: Dan Quinn, Brian day Ball, and day Ball. If you 304 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: would have had this conversation the year before. What he 305 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: got out of the Giants that year with the healthy 306 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. You know, we're talking about them a little differently, 307 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: so we'll see what they look like. It is a 308 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: make or break year for him and the Giants this year. 309 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: Dan Quinn, look, he's another one who's you know, he's 310 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 1: been to a Super Bowl. He's he's been on the 311 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball and been around defenses that 312 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: have been really, really good, good football coach. So I 313 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: have that one, two, three four as well. NFC North. 314 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 3: Tough man, And some of this is gonna be recency biased, 315 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 3: but I'm gonna give the order Detroit, Green Bay, Minnesota, 316 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 3: Chicago and the job that Dan Campbell has done, no 317 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 3: matter how unorthodox his coaching tactics may appear. He's very 318 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 3: raw in terms of what he says, but you can't 319 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 3: knock the results. It's a much tougher team. It's a 320 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 3: far more physical team than we ever expected the Detroit 321 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 3: Lions to be. 322 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 2: And having been on the sideline for a Detroit. 323 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 3: Lions game when I was with the jacksonth Jaguars and 324 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 3: watching them absolutely beat the Jaguars to sleep, to me, 325 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 3: he has a way of connecting with his team and 326 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 3: players to embody what he said this team is gonna be. 327 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 3: They talked about grit and toughness in that introductory press conference. 328 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 3: He talking about biting neecaps and ankles and all that 329 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 3: other stuff. DJ, they're scrappy squad. But more importantly you 330 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 3: did go. But beyond that, like the toughness X and 331 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 3: OS wise on offense, man, they get after you. They 332 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 3: have a bunch of different ways where they put you 333 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 3: in a bind and a blender. Ben Johnson is terrific 334 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 3: defense lead the way they've been able to mask some 335 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 3: of the deficiencies through tactics. Not talent, good coach man, 336 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 3: He's just a good coach. He finds a way to 337 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 3: get it done. So I'm gonna g Hims Flowers. All right, 338 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 3: this is a weird way of saying this. I have 339 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 3: Dan Campbell, Lafleur, Kevin O'Connell, Matt eberflus so Campbell won 340 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 3: la flour two, Kevin O'Connell three, and eberflus four, which 341 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 3: I think is the same same order you just did. 342 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 3: But but if this sounds a weird way to do it, 343 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 3: but if you took their resumes right, and we put 344 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 3: their resumes to the side, and I told you, talent 345 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 3: is equal. We have the exact same. 346 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: Collection of players. 347 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 2: That's a different conversation. I think I would. 348 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: Take Koc like if you told me I gotta go 349 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: win a game, everything else is equal. I just love 350 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: what Kevin does offensively. I love the demeanor. I love 351 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: like there's a confidence there that doesn't it doesn't cross 352 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: the line. But I'm just saying it's a different way 353 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: of looking at it, right because his coaches have different players. 354 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: Each of them have a different history based off the 355 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: players they've had. I'm saying that you level the playing 356 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: field and you can pick one of these coaches. I 357 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: might take Kevin. 358 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 2: Come on, man, and look Koc someone. 359 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 3: I go back to we're doing Nike camps back in 360 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 3: twenty eleven, twenty twelve. So to watch him go from 361 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 3: doing stuff where he's on the side working with quarterbacks, God, man, 362 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 3: I think he was working with Ricky Town, the great 363 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 3: Ricky Town, who is a big tim prominent, Like working 364 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 3: from Ricky Town to now he is like finding a 365 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 3: way to make it happen in Minnesota. And I will 366 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 3: say this DJ having been up to Minneapolis, having watched 367 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 3: him in training camp. 368 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 2: Having watched him work. 369 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 3: They operate at what I call a high IQ rate 370 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 3: when it comes to their practice planning and the way 371 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 3: they get it done. And so you may be right, 372 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 3: and maybe that is the exercise when we're ranking quarterbacks, 373 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 3: be raking head coaches in terms of who can do 374 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 3: the most with the least. I certainly believe he has 375 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 3: a way of kind of squeezing out every drop. I 376 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 3: couldn't put him up there with because Dan Campbell has 377 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 3: taken a team that looked they were in the Celler 378 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 3: drill and he kind of built it up title contender. 379 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 3: But Koc deserves fross for what he's been able to 380 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 3: do for the Minister. Look the Minnesota Vikings, because this 381 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 3: is a smart team, a well run, a very efficient team. 382 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 2: Look at Look. It's a testament to what he does 383 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 2: in terms of as a coach. 384 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 1: NFC south Buck. 385 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 3: NFC south Man. It's funny because it's been so much turnover. 386 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 3: But I got Tampa Bay, then I have Atlanta, New 387 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 3: Orleans in Carolina Ty Bowles last year, Man, I'm be 388 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 3: honest with you, Man, I didn't know if he was 389 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 3: gonna be able to get out of it because I 390 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 3: worried about it. They take Baker Mayfield, they get Baker 391 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 3: Bakfield to play at a good level. He always has 392 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 3: the defense humming. He will blitz his way out of jams, 393 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 3: and they've been able to do that. So I'm gonna 394 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 3: give him props from being the best in the division. 395 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 3: And then the surprise is probably Rahee Morris over Dennis Allen. 396 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 3: Raheem hasn't been a head coach since his time at Tampa, but. 397 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 2: There's just my sense there's a. 398 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 3: Belief that his ability to answer problems when he was 399 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 3: with the LA Rams and before that when he was 400 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 3: in the Atlanta Falcons, first as a look at defensive 401 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 3: coach in an offensive coast and back to a defensive coach. 402 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 3: I just think that we'll run the background is going 403 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 3: to make him a much better coach the second time around. 404 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 1: I just flipped two and three, so I had Bowls one, 405 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 1: Canalis four, and I think, look, I'm excited about Canalos. 406 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: How he does there. I like what I've heard, but 407 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: we just haven't seen it yet as a head coach. 408 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 1: But I went Dennis Allen just maybe more resume based 409 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 1: over Raheem there at two and three. But yeah, that's again, 410 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 1: it's just funny when you look at some of these 411 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: divisions and you look at some of them who like 412 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: you look at the AFC North who we were talking 413 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: about earlier, and you just look at the resumes and 414 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: the track records and the accomplishments of all those coaches, 415 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: and you look at this one, you're like, man, you 416 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: could like shake this one up and we'll see how 417 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: it all, how it all turns out here with these guys, 418 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: it's it's all a lot of unproven there in that division. 419 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: Last one NFC West DJ, I would say, I can't 420 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 1: wait to see one and two here I'm looking forward to. 421 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 3: I would say this conversation was as difficult as the 422 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 3: AFC North, but I'm gonna go Rams, Niners, Seahawks, and 423 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 3: then Arizona Cardinals. And the conversation is Sean McVay versus 424 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 3: Kyle Shanahan. 425 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 2: Like which one? Like which one? 426 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 3: But I will I give the nod to Sean McVay 427 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,959 Speaker 3: because I feel like Sean McVay has been able to 428 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 3: rework and rebuild the organization on the fly. 429 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 2: The jobs he did last year with the Rams, it's 430 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 2: really amazing. 431 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 3: It was amazing because we talked about this team being 432 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 3: in a rebuild and they found a way to win 433 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 3: any rebuild. Yes, you had Matthew Stafford, you had a 434 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 3: franchise quarterback, a Super Bowl winning quarterback, but you had 435 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 3: a bunch of youngsters around the quarterback and being able 436 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 3: to do it. 437 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 2: I think he has a very. 438 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 3: Clear sense of what he wants in a player and 439 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 3: what they want to be as a team. And I'll 440 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 3: say this to be able to shift gears offensively, because 441 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 3: this is not the offense that he ran a few 442 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 3: years ago when he was running wide zone and they 443 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 3: were doing all the confidents from condensed formations. They morphed 444 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 3: into being a gap team, more physical team, and he's 445 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 3: done it different. To me, good coaches find a way 446 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 3: to adapt and adjust and kind of build around the 447 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 3: personnel that they have, or they build a team to 448 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 3: meet the needs of the trends in the league. Seohan 449 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 3: McVay has done that, and that's me saying I love 450 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 3: what Kyle Shanahan has done. We've talked about the system, 451 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 3: but to me, Sean McVay is just a notch. You 452 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 3: here that Kyle Shanahan is the head coach, So. 453 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: I think this is Look, you can just point to 454 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: it and say, oh, you know, mcvay's got the Super Bowl, 455 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 1: so that you know that seals the deal. I ended 456 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 1: up with McVeigh one, Shanahan too. I had Gannon three 457 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: a McDonald four, so we just switched three to four. 458 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: But to me, really that came down to dial preference 459 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:46,959 Speaker 1: personality more so than any x's and o's accomplishment managing 460 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 1: a game things like that. I think Kyle Shanahan is 461 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: incredibly smart, and I think his teams have an edge 462 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,199 Speaker 1: to him, which I love, and that's why he's, you know, 463 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: one of the five best coaches in the NFL. I 464 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: think McVeigh does things super smart, but with just a 465 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: different energy that I'm buying in more on the energy, 466 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: the positivity, all those things. I think that's conducive to 467 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: all different types of teams, whether you've got a young team, 468 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: you got a veteran team, you go through hard times 469 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: if you have to, I think he's somebody that can 470 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: pull you out of that. So to me, more personality 471 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 1: driven more so than anything else. But I mean it's 472 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 1: six and one a half dozen to the other. They're 473 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 1: both fantastic coaches. 474 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 3: Look they're great coaches and they're able to do it 475 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 3: within their own style. And I created McVay and some 476 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 3: of the others from being able to take things from 477 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 3: Kyle Shanahan. 478 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 2: But then add to it, they do it. 479 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,360 Speaker 3: They're not clones of like their mentor, but they find 480 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 3: a way to do it. And Shanahan the things that 481 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 3: Dijit you mentioned in terms of building a team that 482 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 3: is edgy, I think you need to have an opportunity 483 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 3: to watch them practice to really understand how this team 484 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 3: is a little different other teams. I mean they physically 485 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 3: beat up opponents, and when you watch them in practice, 486 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 3: I mean, look, I mean without getting them in trouble 487 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 3: standards violation. I don't know if I've seen a more 488 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 3: physical team when it comes to practicing without paths. They 489 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 3: just operate at a different level. And I think what's 490 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 3: telling is I went to Minnesota and in training and in 491 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 3: Minnesota they were still talking about their joint practices with 492 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 3: the San Francisco forty nine ers and how it was 493 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 3: eye opening in terms of. 494 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 2: The level they didn't needed to get to to be 495 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 2: the team that they want to be. 496 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 1: Yep, no doubt that's again, those are there's no wrong 497 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: answer between those two. All Right, we have the tabulations. 498 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: We're going to go through them here by the division. 499 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: We'll start here at the AFC and we'll start in 500 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: the AFC East. Again, this is combining offense defense head coaches, 501 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: so again offensive line will be its own thing, So 502 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: you know, keep keep that in mind as we go 503 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 1: through these. But I'm going to give you the AFC 504 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: the AFC winners here, buck, and then maybe give me 505 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: one division out of AFC that maybe surprised you based 506 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: off this exercise. So AFC East end that we have 507 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: it based off the way we see it. Dolphins, Jets, Bills, Patriots. 508 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: Interesting with the Bills haven't dominated this division. The AFC North, 509 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: that's a tie with the Ravens and the Steelers, followed 510 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: by the Browns and then the Bengals. AFC South Texans, Jags, Colts, Titans, 511 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: and then AFC West Chiefs, Chargers, Raiders, Broncos. What surprised 512 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: you the most when you look at that tally? 513 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 3: I would say that the AFC East is the most 514 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,919 Speaker 3: surprising because you talk about the Buffalo Bills, the Bills 515 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 3: being at the top, the Bills consistently squishing the Fish, 516 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 3: as they used to say when I was up there, 517 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 3: They've done it, but yet and still the way that 518 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 3: we view the Miami Dolphins from a coaching standpoint, from 519 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 3: the explosiveness that they have on offense, with the skill 520 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 3: players and all of that, look as a team that 521 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 3: has the talent to be mentioned with those contenders, but 522 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 3: there's something that is lacking because they haven't been able 523 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,679 Speaker 3: to get it done when they needed to. But talent wise, 524 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 3: I think all of the hype around them being a 525 00:23:58,320 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 3: title contender is warranted. 526 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: That's a big one. I would say the next one, 527 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 1: and I can see the point totals here. The biggest 528 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 1: gap between one and two shouldn't be as surprise as 529 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 1: the AFC West with the Chiefs over the Chargers there 530 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 1: from fifteen points to thirty two points, so that's a 531 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: pretty sizable gap. The second biggest gap when we look 532 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: at these now keep in mind we had the Ravens 533 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: and the Steelers tied. We had the Dolphins and the 534 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 1: Jets within one point of each other. The second biggest 535 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,959 Speaker 1: spread from one to two was the Texans fifteen and 536 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: the Jags twenty nine. So obviously low point wins here 537 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: when you're tabulating here, but interesting to see that, you know, 538 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 1: just based off of talent, it looks like the Texans 539 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: have a pretty sizable advantage. 540 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 2: Well, they've upgraded their team DJ. 541 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,120 Speaker 3: They won with the team that was not expected to win, 542 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,360 Speaker 3: and then they've been able to build upon debt. Nick 543 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 3: Casario and Dimico Ryans have teamed up and made sure 544 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 3: that the talent matches division they should have. 545 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 2: Look, they have better personnel. They said. 546 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 3: It is going to be tougher for them to because 547 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 3: they won't sneak up on anybody. But that is a 548 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 3: very sizable gap in terms of the perception of the 549 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 3: Texans versus the Jaguars. It's very positive and trending in 550 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 3: the Texans favor. 551 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 1: Let's get to the NFC. NFC East we have it Eagles, Cowboys, Commanders, Giants. 552 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 1: The North we have the Lions, the Packers, the Bears, 553 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: the Vikings. The South we have the Bucks, the Falcons, 554 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: the Saints, the Panthers, and then in the West we 555 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 1: have the Niners, followed by the Rams, the Seahawks, and 556 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:23,360 Speaker 1: the Cardinals. 557 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 3: What surprises you m You know what, DJ, there weren't 558 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:32,959 Speaker 3: many surprises. I would say the NFC East continues to 559 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 3: be a little bit of a surprise, you know when 560 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,360 Speaker 3: it comes to how you rank and shake those teams out, 561 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 3: But never surprises. I think a lot of it is 562 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 3: kind of standard chalk in terms of just like the 563 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,719 Speaker 3: general conversation that you would have, I don't think there 564 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 3: are any surprises really in the NFC. 565 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: How about the fact of the closeness in the division. 566 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: So we had the Eagles were five points ahead of 567 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: the Cowboys, the one that's the closest, the Lions and 568 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 1: the Packers within two points of each other, and the 569 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 1: FC North, so those roster wise very similar. With the Bears, 570 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 1: they are ten points behind the lines that are at 571 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 1: the top not that far off, so that one is 572 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: very close. And then if you're looking for the gaps 573 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: to spread, the biggest spread would be it is the 574 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: Niners over the Rams. So that is the one that 575 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: we feel like the Niners have the clear talent advantage 576 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 1: in their division over any other team in their division 577 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: in the NFC. 578 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, clear talent division. And then it goes back to 579 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 3: maybe what we've talked about. We pointed out Sean McVay 580 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,160 Speaker 3: and coaching. Coaching has allowed them to close the gaps 581 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 3: where their talent was insufficient. But over time, what normally 582 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 3: happens in this league, the more talented team wins. 583 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 2: Yea. 584 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 3: So the teams that had the most talented teams that 585 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 3: are kind of the division winners based on our study, 586 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 3: probably be the teams that we talked about when it 587 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 3: comes down to the tournament at the end of the. 588 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 2: Year, no doubt. 589 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: All Right, I'm gonna be out next week buck the 590 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: little family trip, but I know you've got a little 591 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: something coming everybody's way, and then we will we will 592 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: reunite here shortly as we get towards the season. I 593 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: think our buddy Marcus Grant's gonna, uh gonna fill in 594 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: for me here. So looking forward to listening to those 595 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: episodes while I'm on a little family trip. And uh, 596 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 1: I hope you guys have a wonderful, wonderful weekend as 597 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,239 Speaker 1: we march towards July fourth. We'll see you next time 598 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: right here on moving sticks.