1
00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:06,280
Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

2
00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:07,800
Speaker 2: What's up, everybody?

3
00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,800
Speaker 3: Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky back together, Buck.

4
00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:11,520
Speaker 3: What's going on?

5
00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:11,799
Speaker 2: Man?

6
00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:14,880
Speaker 1: No, Man, Like we're getting close to DJ. We have

7
00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,600
Speaker 1: the final week of the preseason ahead. I think some

8
00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:20,599
Speaker 1: teams are gonna play the starters in week three of

9
00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:21,200
Speaker 1: the preseason.

10
00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:23,439
Speaker 2: So we finally get a Charon Rodgers.

11
00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:24,320
Speaker 3: Man, here we go.

12
00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:26,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, finally get a chance to see what some of

13
00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:28,840
Speaker 1: these teams look like. And before you know it, man,

14
00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:30,440
Speaker 1: the regular season is going to kick off. So I'm

15
00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:32,239
Speaker 1: really excited. Man, We're there, We're here.

16
00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have made it. Today on the show, we're

17
00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:37,680
Speaker 3: gonna have some fun discussions about little wide receivers. Is

18
00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,120
Speaker 3: this a thing? Now? We're gonna get into that a

19
00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,479
Speaker 3: little bit. We're going to elaborate a little bit on

20
00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,200
Speaker 3: what we've talked about previously in terms of young quarterbacks,

21
00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,640
Speaker 3: experience and age being key in terms of determining what

22
00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,839
Speaker 3: type of early success those guys will have. We'll have

23
00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,800
Speaker 3: those conversations, but I want to start out here at

24
00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,120
Speaker 3: the top. Bucket. It's always it's always fun to kind

25
00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:58,720
Speaker 3: of go over what you learn from the game you

26
00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,600
Speaker 3: were at. So wech game this week? Yeah, you had

27
00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:03,200
Speaker 3: jag z gam I had to charge your game. So

28
00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,119
Speaker 3: maybe a takeaway from your game could be Jags related.

29
00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:07,120
Speaker 3: Anything you saw out there?

30
00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:08,680
Speaker 2: What was it? So?

31
00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,480
Speaker 1: What was great about the week? The Jags and the

32
00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,320
Speaker 1: Lions got together. They had joint practices. They had two practices.

33
00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,160
Speaker 1: The first one was a real padded physical affair. The

34
00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,920
Speaker 1: second one was not padded, kind of not a walkthrough

35
00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,040
Speaker 1: but just like a little dial back, and then they

36
00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,440
Speaker 1: played the game. And what I learned and talking to Doug,

37
00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,200
Speaker 1: you just talked about the importance of putting your starters

38
00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,760
Speaker 1: in those practices because you almost get game like intensity,

39
00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,399
Speaker 1: but in a controlled environment where you can get good

40
00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:36,480
Speaker 1: quality work and maybe not put some of your best,

41
00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,680
Speaker 1: better players in a risky situation. What I learned in

42
00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:45,880
Speaker 1: watching the game, Hey man, tank bigsby this legit man,

43
00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,960
Speaker 1: Hey dj he is he is unique in terms of

44
00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,120
Speaker 1: he's a downhill runner who has pitter pat and great vision.

45
00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:55,600
Speaker 1: I know it's a preseason game, but you don't see

46
00:01:55,680 --> 00:02:00,000
Speaker 1: running backs have seventy yards on twelve carries following your game,

47
00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,160
Speaker 1: which you had like fifty seven on a handful of

48
00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,160
Speaker 1: carries the week before, and it's apparent that the Jags

49
00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,920
Speaker 1: have a plan in place for him to be a

50
00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,600
Speaker 1: physical thing, a physical presence, a down here back our

51
00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:12,960
Speaker 1: compliment to Travis Hittien. And if you go back and

52
00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,519
Speaker 1: you look at Peterson's history and what they did in Philadelphia,

53
00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,600
Speaker 1: he's always kind of wanted that physical back, whether it

54
00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,280
Speaker 1: was a Corey Clement or La Garrett Blunt, Tank Bisbee

55
00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,920
Speaker 1: falls somewhere in between, and so Travis Httien is a

56
00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,600
Speaker 1: huge part of the puzzle. But I wouldn't be surprised

57
00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,040
Speaker 1: if we see Tank Bigsby play a lot and a

58
00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,000
Speaker 1: lot as a runner, because his physicality as a downhill

59
00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,800
Speaker 1: player changes a little bit of dead offense.

60
00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I had texted you about this, but I

61
00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,280
Speaker 3: had a fantasy draft with all the high school buddies

62
00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,120
Speaker 3: I've played with forever for over twenty years. There's fourteen

63
00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,080
Speaker 3: teams in this bad Boy, and I took two Jags.

64
00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,640
Speaker 3: I took Calvin Ridley really early, like in the third round,

65
00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:52,600
Speaker 3: so I went in on that one, and then I

66
00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:54,960
Speaker 3: took Bigsby. I got Bigsby, you know, pretty late. So

67
00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:56,520
Speaker 3: I was fired up about that. But I went back

68
00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:58,480
Speaker 3: and looked up my notes. But because I love this

69
00:02:58,560 --> 00:02:59,919
Speaker 3: is one of those times a year when't like you

70
00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,480
Speaker 3: watch a player, you kind of see what you see.

71
00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,440
Speaker 3: I listen to what you're saying, what you see, and

72
00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,520
Speaker 3: then I like to go back to my notes of

73
00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:08,200
Speaker 3: what I saw on him and what I said about

74
00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:09,800
Speaker 3: him when he was picked. So I'm going back to

75
00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,040
Speaker 3: my notes on him. He was two hundred and ten

76
00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,440
Speaker 3: pounds buck he ran four five six, he had thirty catches.

77
00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,040
Speaker 3: I said, this is aggressive runner. He's got bounce and burst,

78
00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,720
Speaker 3: he runs through contact, he's got stop start quicks. He's

79
00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,000
Speaker 3: excellent after the catch. I said, this is a really

80
00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,560
Speaker 3: fun player to watch, and just kind of hearing you

81
00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,160
Speaker 3: talk about what you've seen in person of him live,

82
00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:30,640
Speaker 3: it sounds like that's kind of who he is.

83
00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:32,840
Speaker 2: That is who he is. And so let's do to

84
00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:34,000
Speaker 2: compare and contrast game.

85
00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,400
Speaker 1: Okay, so the Jaguars have taken running backs and back

86
00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,840
Speaker 1: to back years, they took Snoop Corner last year, Yeah,

87
00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:41,920
Speaker 1: from an Ole Miss. They took him and he was

88
00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,040
Speaker 1: expected to be the big physical back, and then they

89
00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,920
Speaker 1: took Tang Bigsby this year. DJ there's a difference in

90
00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,680
Speaker 1: terms of not only stylistically, but I'm talking about the

91
00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:55,680
Speaker 1: violence with which, Yeah, he is an aggressive down here

92
00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:59,440
Speaker 1: runner and he combines that with the ability to jump

93
00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,320
Speaker 1: in and out of lanes and so he jumped outside,

94
00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,000
Speaker 1: makes a big run and you're like, ooh, that's a

95
00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,040
Speaker 1: different club in the back. He's not just the class

96
00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,240
Speaker 1: deal with blind his own just going straight ahead.

97
00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:12,560
Speaker 2: It's a different thing.

98
00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,680
Speaker 1: And I think not that he will remove Travis TN,

99
00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:17,920
Speaker 1: but he can put some pressure on Travis NTN to

100
00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,159
Speaker 1: know that, hey man, I got to be able to

101
00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:21,840
Speaker 1: do some of these things, or put pressure on the

102
00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:26,120
Speaker 1: coaching staff to divvy up the workload to make these

103
00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,520
Speaker 1: guys have very distinct roles.

104
00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:29,360
Speaker 2: In some games.

105
00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,880
Speaker 1: He this role is going to play a greater part

106
00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:33,680
Speaker 1: of the game plan than the other role, and so

107
00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,960
Speaker 1: Bigsby can make it very challenging on the coach to

108
00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:39,360
Speaker 1: have to figure out who to play. But he can

109
00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,279
Speaker 1: also enhance this offensive.

110
00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,720
Speaker 3: Ton no doubt anybody on the other side stand out

111
00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:45,720
Speaker 3: to you at all with Detroit. What's yourself from them?

112
00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,800
Speaker 1: So James Houston continues to be a guy that can

113
00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,159
Speaker 1: get around the quarterback, get active. Now he's a little

114
00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:52,920
Speaker 1: feisty you might have cost him a little bit. I

115
00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,680
Speaker 1: think you might have had a penalty unfortunately, like because

116
00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,440
Speaker 1: it was chippy between the Lions and the Jacks. And

117
00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,800
Speaker 1: the backdrop was last year when Jacksonville went up to Detroit,

118
00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,279
Speaker 1: the Lions humbled him, I mean beat them into submission.

119
00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,760
Speaker 1: And so you know, whenever you have a situation like that,

120
00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,360
Speaker 1: the next summer when you see each other, it was

121
00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,760
Speaker 1: gonna be a little payback. I would say this about

122
00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:17,800
Speaker 1: the Lions. I really like their organization in terms of

123
00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,240
Speaker 1: like what they're trying to get done. I like how

124
00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,400
Speaker 1: they're trying to put together the defense because if the

125
00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:24,279
Speaker 1: defense can just kind of rise to the middle of

126
00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,080
Speaker 1: the pack offensively, they're good. They didn't have a good

127
00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,960
Speaker 1: showing against the Jaguars, but they certainly have some weapons

128
00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,560
Speaker 1: when they have their ones, that can give you problems.

129
00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:34,039
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like that.

130
00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,400
Speaker 3: It's again, you get to these preseason games. I don't

131
00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,840
Speaker 3: try and make these big sweeping conclusions, but I think

132
00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:42,719
Speaker 3: you can learn about some individual players. I think what

133
00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:44,400
Speaker 3: Bucky just did, right, there's a great example. You get

134
00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,599
Speaker 3: a chance. Okay, Tank Bigsby, here's what we saw, here's

135
00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,120
Speaker 3: what we thought of him coming out. Here's who he is,

136
00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,360
Speaker 3: Here's what he's done. I think about Houston, what he

137
00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,360
Speaker 3: looks like, you know, last year and now it looks

138
00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,600
Speaker 3: like he's continuing that on and his growth and development.

139
00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,960
Speaker 3: I'll give you two names from the Charger game. So

140
00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,520
Speaker 3: it was it the Charger game last night. Weird day man.

141
00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,359
Speaker 3: Literally driving through a tropical storm, I guess is what

142
00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:04,680
Speaker 3: you know? It was raining like a big dog. So

143
00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:06,920
Speaker 3: driving through a tropical storm. And then you get in

144
00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,159
Speaker 3: the stadium. Me and Money are up there in pregame

145
00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,600
Speaker 3: of this earthquake. The whole stadium so far is shaken,

146
00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:13,839
Speaker 3: like what in the world's going on around here? Man?

147
00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,600
Speaker 3: But anyway, so at that game, seeing the Saints and

148
00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:22,240
Speaker 3: the Chargers, Chargers side of things. Dayon Henley linebacker from

149
00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,479
Speaker 3: Washington State. I'm sure you probably knew about it. Oh yeah,

150
00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,120
Speaker 3: going back to high school at Crenshaw. But he you know,

151
00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,760
Speaker 3: he's somebody that was a former wide out and then

152
00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,040
Speaker 3: was at Nevada. You know, they had a really good

153
00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:33,880
Speaker 3: run as a linebacker there. Then he follows a coach

154
00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,680
Speaker 3: of his to Washington State. Played great there, but there's

155
00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,440
Speaker 3: a different speed that he plays with, and it's combined

156
00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,600
Speaker 3: with instincts. I said it on the broadcast last night.

157
00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,919
Speaker 3: I think he had nine tackles. But a lot of

158
00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:46,839
Speaker 3: times the linebackers, you see guys that can really go,

159
00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,880
Speaker 3: they're explosive, they got juiced, their dynamic. And then you

160
00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,200
Speaker 3: see guys who are really instinctive. They can see it

161
00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,480
Speaker 3: before everybody else. They can slip around blocks, they can

162
00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,920
Speaker 3: beat guys to spots and their tackle collectors. This dude

163
00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,200
Speaker 3: has a chance to be both. Like he sees it,

164
00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,040
Speaker 3: he trusts his eyes and he goes and when he

165
00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:07,000
Speaker 3: shoots his gun man, he explodes with tremendous range. He's

166
00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,720
Speaker 3: kind of reminding me of those you know, Lsu kept

167
00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,480
Speaker 3: turning out linebacker after linebacker after linebacker. He's in that

168
00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,200
Speaker 3: vein of those guys that could just really fly.

169
00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:16,480
Speaker 2: You know.

170
00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,560
Speaker 1: And so it's so funny because we're almost at a

171
00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,080
Speaker 1: crossroads in the league when it comes to the linebacker position.

172
00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:26,440
Speaker 1: What do we want. Do you want the tweeters that

173
00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,400
Speaker 1: have to speed, the explosiveness the pack or the coverage

174
00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:31,160
Speaker 1: ability that you need to be able to match it

175
00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,440
Speaker 1: with some of the running backs and slot receivers, or

176
00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,040
Speaker 1: do you still want that physical presidence that can be

177
00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,520
Speaker 1: a factor against the running game. When you see a

178
00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,120
Speaker 1: guy like Henley, it is all about the speed, the

179
00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,280
Speaker 1: burst and explosiveness. And I would say for the charges

180
00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,760
Speaker 1: in the way that Brandon Stately wants to play, he's

181
00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:51,800
Speaker 1: a nice fit because it's about tweaking the way that

182
00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,560
Speaker 1: you align the front line to make things bounce to

183
00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,280
Speaker 1: the perimeter and run it down with your speed and

184
00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,320
Speaker 1: explosive and the numbers coming from the back end coming

185
00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,920
Speaker 1: up to support the run. And so it's just an

186
00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,080
Speaker 1: interesting thing to watch and I can't wait to watch

187
00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,200
Speaker 1: a play out. But he certainly seems like those new

188
00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:10,040
Speaker 1: school linebackers that are finding their niche in the league.

189
00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,320
Speaker 3: And I also would say with the matchups that you

190
00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,760
Speaker 3: have to you know, you go up against each and

191
00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:19,320
Speaker 3: every week in the AFC, especially all the different athletes,

192
00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,440
Speaker 3: you gotta face like you could. I'll say this if

193
00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,640
Speaker 3: you go out to warm ups, and if you went

194
00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:26,600
Speaker 3: out to warm ups and they put dayone Henley in

195
00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:28,680
Speaker 3: the safety group and watch him go through warm ups,

196
00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:29,800
Speaker 3: you'd be like, Okay.

197
00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:30,000
Speaker 2: That works.

198
00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:31,640
Speaker 3: If you went out to warm ups and watch Derwin

199
00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,960
Speaker 3: James go through the linebacker drills, same thing, Okay, I

200
00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,280
Speaker 3: get it like they're getting some of these interchangeable parts

201
00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,320
Speaker 3: here and these pieces that you can move around. When

202
00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,120
Speaker 3: one week you've got to deal with the Kelsey, the

203
00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,160
Speaker 3: next week, you know, you've got the Bengals and their

204
00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,280
Speaker 3: three wide outs and what they're doing, and next week

205
00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:48,960
Speaker 3: you might be facing, you know, a raider team that

206
00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,440
Speaker 3: wants to just go downhill and bludging you. You've got

207
00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,000
Speaker 3: to be able to have players that can do different

208
00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,280
Speaker 3: things in different spots, and I think he's an example

209
00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,000
Speaker 3: of kind of one of those new school chess pieces

210
00:08:58,000 --> 00:08:58,760
Speaker 3: that you can use.

211
00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and is great to have a handful of those.

212
00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,120
Speaker 1: Now you need to have maybe one thumper in the

213
00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:05,800
Speaker 1: lineup if you faced like a team that wants to

214
00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,240
Speaker 1: go old school a little more twelve personnel. But in

215
00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,640
Speaker 1: the AFC one DJ, you better build your team to

216
00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:14,400
Speaker 1: not only win the division, but to win the conference.

217
00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:16,160
Speaker 1: And the one thing that we're seeing in the conference

218
00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,000
Speaker 1: quarterbacks galore. And so when you have quarterbacks, teams are

219
00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:21,560
Speaker 1: going to be more likely to put the ball in

220
00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:23,920
Speaker 1: the hands of the quarterback than a running back that's

221
00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,120
Speaker 1: in the two point stance behind it, and so you

222
00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,480
Speaker 1: need to have someone that can cover someone that can

223
00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,760
Speaker 1: handle the flex tight ends that are really prevalent in

224
00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:32,360
Speaker 1: the AFC.

225
00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,800
Speaker 2: You have to have these speedsters.

226
00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,200
Speaker 1: That can kind of run around and roam from numbers

227
00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:38,600
Speaker 1: to numbers and make a ton of players in the

228
00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:42,160
Speaker 1: passing game while also showing that they're capable tacklers in

229
00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:42,640
Speaker 1: the box.

230
00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,280
Speaker 3: Yep, So that was my takeaway on the charter side.

231
00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:48,480
Speaker 3: Flip it over on the other side with the Saints,

232
00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,800
Speaker 3: Kendrey Miller to talk about running backs, Yeah, you talked

233
00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,040
Speaker 3: about Bigsby. Kendrey Miller was a really good player. Remember

234
00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,079
Speaker 3: he gets hurt in the Michigan game. He was off

235
00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,080
Speaker 3: to a good start in that semi final, doesn't get

236
00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,240
Speaker 3: a chance to play in the National Championship game. I

237
00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:01,840
Speaker 3: almost think if we got a chance, maybe see that

238
00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,720
Speaker 3: one last glimpse of him, because he's gifted. He is

239
00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:06,840
Speaker 3: a gifted, gifted runner. He caught he caught a ball

240
00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,000
Speaker 3: down the field. Henley was actually in coverage all over him.

241
00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,600
Speaker 3: He fully lays out, makes an unbelievable catch. He has

242
00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,439
Speaker 3: a couple of hard runs inside. He's a good player,

243
00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,120
Speaker 3: and with Alvin Kamara out for a few weeks to

244
00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,080
Speaker 3: start the season, I think he gets you know, he

245
00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,760
Speaker 3: gets in the mix and Jamal Williams still there, he'll

246
00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:22,880
Speaker 3: have his role. But to me, I thought, man, this

247
00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:24,959
Speaker 3: is a this is a good fine and that kind

248
00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:26,839
Speaker 3: of sweet spot of the draft is. Man, it's it's

249
00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:28,200
Speaker 3: a good spot to find a running back.

250
00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:30,839
Speaker 1: It is a sweet it's a perfect spot to find

251
00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,160
Speaker 1: a running back. And you know what I'm saying, So

252
00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,760
Speaker 1: our right now team, when you look at their roster

253
00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,600
Speaker 1: and the age on their roster, they're they're at that

254
00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,520
Speaker 1: point where they need to have it needs to happen

255
00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:42,720
Speaker 1: this year next year because they're gonna have to flip

256
00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:44,880
Speaker 1: it and turn it over a little bit. So it's

257
00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,040
Speaker 1: good to hear things about Kendrick Miller because the one

258
00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,560
Speaker 1: thing that we know running backs can make a media

259
00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:51,760
Speaker 1: contributions coming right off the collegiate game.

260
00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,040
Speaker 2: Coming from the collegiate game to the pro game, it's

261
00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:54,960
Speaker 2: not a big difference.

262
00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,280
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting because I heard Dennis Allen

263
00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:02,319
Speaker 1: talk about Peyton turned and why Peyton Turner was a

264
00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:04,920
Speaker 1: first round pick. What did you think about Peyton Turner

265
00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:06,800
Speaker 1: when he was coming out and did you get a

266
00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:08,400
Speaker 1: chance to kind of put your eyes on him a

267
00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,000
Speaker 1: little bit doing that that contest.

268
00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had, he had a pressure in that game.

269
00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:14,640
Speaker 3: He was you know when he was coming out. It

270
00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:18,000
Speaker 3: was right after I believe it was the year after Davenport,

271
00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,320
Speaker 3: and so that was kind of the comparison of those

272
00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,680
Speaker 3: two guys, and that ironically both end up being Saints.

273
00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:27,040
Speaker 3: Now Davenport's moved on to Minnesota. But big rugged Tweeers.

274
00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,360
Speaker 3: You know, you're like, gosh, okay, is he you know,

275
00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,560
Speaker 3: is he three technique? Is he gonna is he gonna

276
00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:32,120
Speaker 3: hang outside?

277
00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:32,400
Speaker 2: Okay?

278
00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,600
Speaker 3: Is he just gonna be somebody that's gonna set the edge.

279
00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,439
Speaker 3: He's real long and strong, powerful man. You see all

280
00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,280
Speaker 3: the the he's got all the twitch in his body.

281
00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,240
Speaker 3: But he's not a polished player. He's not a polished

282
00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,199
Speaker 3: pass rusher. And you're kind of betting on that. Okay, well,

283
00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:48,760
Speaker 3: he's got all this ability. I go all you know,

284
00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:50,880
Speaker 3: go back in the way back to like a Ziggy

285
00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,040
Speaker 3: Onset coming out. You're like, okay, it's not on there.

286
00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,200
Speaker 3: But man, he's got the frame, he's got the juice,

287
00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,920
Speaker 3: he's got the explosiveness. He'll figure it out. And Ziggy,

288
00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,240
Speaker 3: you know, did had a nice career. I think Turner, yeah,

289
00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:03,000
Speaker 3: I think with Peyton Turner, they're kind of just waiting

290
00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,040
Speaker 3: for that to click, you know, for that light to

291
00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:06,839
Speaker 3: come on. And I think some of those guys you

292
00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,679
Speaker 3: got to understand, you know. Another one would be Rashaan Gary.

293
00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,000
Speaker 3: You know, Rashan Gary had all the all the tools,

294
00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,200
Speaker 3: but just wasn't really polished. And now before he got

295
00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,120
Speaker 3: hurt last ye years. Oh okay, the light came on

296
00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:19,160
Speaker 3: for him. Sometimes it just comes on a little later

297
00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:19,880
Speaker 3: than others.

298
00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so you know, it's one of those things.

299
00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,679
Speaker 1: I remember him coming out of Houston and he was

300
00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:28,880
Speaker 1: kind of a I would say, a late riser up

301
00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:30,760
Speaker 1: the boarders, even though we don't rise like that. But

302
00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,200
Speaker 1: I felt like he was kind of flying under the radar.

303
00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,200
Speaker 1: And then the buzz picked up about him being a

304
00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,560
Speaker 1: first round pick and people like them and all the

305
00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:38,000
Speaker 1: other stuff.

306
00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,280
Speaker 2: In comparison to Marcus Davenport was very valid.

307
00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,560
Speaker 1: And for the Saints to kind of take players that

308
00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:47,160
Speaker 1: are like that and close proximity, it's really interesting because

309
00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,280
Speaker 1: they have a model that they're looking for at those positions.

310
00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:54,040
Speaker 1: For Turner to now kind of be as as Dennis

311
00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:55,920
Speaker 1: Allen is talking about, hey like this, there's a reason

312
00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,079
Speaker 1: why we're seeing the flashes, and the flashes are beginning

313
00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,840
Speaker 1: to become more consistently. They need a complimentary rusher to

314
00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,120
Speaker 1: take some of the pressure off of Cam Jordan if

315
00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:05,160
Speaker 1: he's able to do that.

316
00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:07,400
Speaker 2: Man, this defense has experience.

317
00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,760
Speaker 1: It has playmakers that know how to play the game

318
00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:12,679
Speaker 1: at a high level.

319
00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,479
Speaker 2: They may be on the.

320
00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,520
Speaker 1: Back nine of their respective careers, but man, if you

321
00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:19,640
Speaker 1: got some young guys that can just add a little

322
00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:23,239
Speaker 1: juice so they don't have to be the guys seventeen

323
00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,440
Speaker 1: weeks now, you have a chance to make a run

324
00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,040
Speaker 1: in the playoffs if you're able to get there. But

325
00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:33,720
Speaker 1: offensively and defensively, it's a veteran laden team that should

326
00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,120
Speaker 1: be able to find a way to win enough games

327
00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:37,280
Speaker 1: to win that division.

328
00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, that'd be an interesting research project. Maybe we give

329
00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:42,720
Speaker 3: that to our buddy Jack Andrews, see if he can

330
00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:44,400
Speaker 3: help us out on that one. But I'd be curious

331
00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:48,560
Speaker 3: if we just did projected starters defensively, especially I think, gosh,

332
00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:50,560
Speaker 3: this has to be the most one of the most

333
00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,040
Speaker 3: experienced defenses in the league. And when you start looking

334
00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:57,120
Speaker 3: at Honey, Badger and Cam Jordan, all three levels of

335
00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,640
Speaker 3: this defense, they've got age and experience.

336
00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:02,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so that experience allows you to do a

337
00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:04,000
Speaker 2: bunch of different things. And so.

338
00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:09,680
Speaker 1: If I'm Dennis Allen, you want to take advantage of it.

339
00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:11,520
Speaker 1: You want to take advantage of some of the playmaking

340
00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:15,080
Speaker 1: that you have uh in place at those positions because

341
00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:18,440
Speaker 1: it makes a huge difference. Particularly think about the young

342
00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,000
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that are in that division that you're playing against.

343
00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,160
Speaker 1: You know, you have Desmond Rider, you have Bryce Young.

344
00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,640
Speaker 1: I mean, Baker Mayfield isn't young, but you should feel like, hey,

345
00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,360
Speaker 1: we can take advantage of some of his limitations.

346
00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:30,760
Speaker 3: Young in that system. He's young in that system.

347
00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,400
Speaker 1: So so you should have a leg up on the

348
00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:37,640
Speaker 1: competition in that division just because you have guys who, man,

349
00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:38,400
Speaker 1: they're proving.

350
00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:40,640
Speaker 3: But I mean, I'm looking I'm looking at it right now.

351
00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:40,840
Speaker 2: Right.

352
00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,200
Speaker 3: So You've got Cam Jordan, who's been around for a minute, right,

353
00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,760
Speaker 3: You've got Tomorrio Davis at linebacker. You've got Marcus may

354
00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:51,600
Speaker 3: and Matthew at safety. You've got Latimore and Robi in

355
00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,560
Speaker 3: the secondary. Like those guys have played a lot of football. Now,

356
00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,400
Speaker 3: you saw Brian Percy in that game flashed.

357
00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:57,440
Speaker 2: A little bit.

358
00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:01,040
Speaker 3: They need they need to get Isaiah Fosky going another

359
00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:02,800
Speaker 3: rookie that kind of roll through and be a part

360
00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:06,360
Speaker 3: of their deal. But yeah, there's there's a lot of age.

361
00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,440
Speaker 3: There's a lot of experience on that side of the ball.

362
00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:10,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of age, a lot of experience. And

363
00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,560
Speaker 2: so now you couple that with what they have on offense.

364
00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:15,960
Speaker 1: I mean, DJ I hadn't really thought of the Saints

365
00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:19,160
Speaker 1: as deleting the clubhouse in the division, but they have

366
00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:20,520
Speaker 1: to be deleting in the clubhouse when you look at

367
00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:21,200
Speaker 1: their team.

368
00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:24,080
Speaker 2: And what they have, you know what you have, Yeah,

369
00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:24,960
Speaker 2: they have PILs on the wall.

370
00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,120
Speaker 1: I would say the Panthers are intriguing because of some

371
00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,680
Speaker 1: of the things that they have on defense, but right now, I.

372
00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,760
Speaker 3: Mean offensively, that's going to be a work in progress.

373
00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,320
Speaker 3: There no doubt. I think the Saints have to be

374
00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,400
Speaker 3: the favorite. All right, let's say quick break, let's come back.

375
00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,120
Speaker 3: We're going to talk about, you know, what's going on

376
00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,160
Speaker 3: with these young quarterbacks and if there's a code that

377
00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,640
Speaker 3: we've cracked as well as is this is this beginning

378
00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,400
Speaker 3: to uh introduce a new era at wide receiver of

379
00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,640
Speaker 3: the little guy. We'll get to that right after this.

380
00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,240
Speaker 3: All right, Buck, this is something I love it when

381
00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,600
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about something, you're already writing something, and we

382
00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:02,200
Speaker 3: get together and talk about what we're going to do

383
00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,440
Speaker 3: on the show, and it's the exact same thing. So

384
00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,200
Speaker 3: our minds have gone to the same place with what

385
00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,200
Speaker 3: we've seen in the preseason, with some of the success

386
00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,480
Speaker 3: of these quarterbacks, and I believe we've come to the

387
00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:14,320
Speaker 3: same conclusion.

388
00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:16,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.

389
00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,680
Speaker 1: It's funny, man, these young quarterbacks and the guys that

390
00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,920
Speaker 1: are playing well right away. It seems to be like

391
00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,360
Speaker 1: some things, we can follow the bread crumbs and kind

392
00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:25,760
Speaker 1: of figure out what the differences are.

393
00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:30,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, you think about age and experience. If you look

394
00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,760
Speaker 3: at the guys that have popped a little bit in

395
00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,440
Speaker 3: the preseason, I mean, you can go right down the list,

396
00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,160
Speaker 3: buck But when you look at them, these guys have played,

397
00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,400
Speaker 3: they've played a significant amount in college, or they're older,

398
00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:44,440
Speaker 3: or they've been in college four or five years. But

399
00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,960
Speaker 3: Aidan O'Connell has been the best quarterback in the preseason

400
00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:48,840
Speaker 3: him and DTR. I mean it's a toss up. I

401
00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,200
Speaker 3: guess between those two guys. DTR started a bazillion games

402
00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,320
Speaker 3: at UCLA. Aidan O'Connell, you know, is a long time

403
00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,080
Speaker 3: in college, four or five years. So you get those

404
00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,920
Speaker 3: guys with their experience and a little bit older. It

405
00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,760
Speaker 3: shouldn't be a surprise that they've handled this transition better

406
00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:06,679
Speaker 3: than some others.

407
00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:08,200
Speaker 2: No, it shouldn't be a surprise.

408
00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:12,000
Speaker 1: And so DJ and thinking about these guys, Aden O'Connell

409
00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:15,240
Speaker 1: and dtr The one thing that struck me is entering

410
00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,480
Speaker 1: the draft, everyone was looking for who's going to be

411
00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,800
Speaker 1: the next Rock Party, right, And if you go back

412
00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:21,560
Speaker 1: and you look at Rock Purty, one of the things

413
00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,920
Speaker 1: that I found interesting in studying him is he fell

414
00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,280
Speaker 1: well within what they call the par Sales rules.

415
00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:27,399
Speaker 2: Right.

416
00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,680
Speaker 1: Bill par Sales, long time Hall of Fame coach, had

417
00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,919
Speaker 1: this criteria that he had set for quarterbacks. It was

418
00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:39,320
Speaker 1: a four year player, college graduate, three year starter, thirty

419
00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:44,600
Speaker 1: career starts, twenty three wins, completion percentage of sixty percent

420
00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:46,560
Speaker 1: or higher, and then he wanted a two to one

421
00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:48,160
Speaker 1: touchdown to interception ratio.

422
00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:50,160
Speaker 2: He wanted that combination of.

423
00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,600
Speaker 1: Experience and execution that you could track to be able

424
00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,680
Speaker 1: to project out what a player would be. Going back

425
00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,600
Speaker 1: to Rock Purty, I think Brock Purty he had forty

426
00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,880
Speaker 1: seven starts at Iowa State he had thirty two wins.

427
00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:08,080
Speaker 1: He had every record, like thirty two passing records at

428
00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,600
Speaker 1: Iowa State. And so when you think about his success

429
00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:16,360
Speaker 1: in the league, well, maybe all of those at bats

430
00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,639
Speaker 1: allowed him to be better prepared for the speed and

431
00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:20,880
Speaker 1: some of the complexity of the pro game. Well, looking

432
00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:25,359
Speaker 1: into this year's draft, a O'Connell and DTR very very similar.

433
00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:30,119
Speaker 1: DTR particularly, his numbers are almost identical to Rock Pardy

434
00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,679
Speaker 1: in terms of forty eight starts, the number of wins,

435
00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,639
Speaker 1: all the rec he's like the all time and everything, touchdowns,

436
00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:39,200
Speaker 1: passing yards, total offense, all that at UCLA. And so

437
00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:43,120
Speaker 1: you're beginning to see maybe the worm turn a little

438
00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:46,520
Speaker 1: bit too. Hey man, maybe I want my quarterback to

439
00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:48,960
Speaker 1: have played in college for a while before we say, hey,

440
00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,439
Speaker 1: we're gonna take this guy and maybe put him on

441
00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:51,840
Speaker 1: the field.

442
00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,719
Speaker 3: Ye had DTR. I just pulled him up here. He

443
00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:58,920
Speaker 3: played in fifty games, he started forty eight games. I mean,

444
00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,480
Speaker 3: he threw thirteen hundred fifty nine passes, buck through for

445
00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:05,320
Speaker 3: over ten thousand yards. He rushed for over eighteen hundred yards.

446
00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,040
Speaker 3: And he's won two, three, four five years. You know,

447
00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,159
Speaker 3: he's got five years of starting because of the COVID year.

448
00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,639
Speaker 3: So he played in parts of five seasons. And you

449
00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,240
Speaker 3: go to Adan O'Connell and he's one who maybe didn't

450
00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,840
Speaker 3: start as many games, but he also spent five years

451
00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:24,160
Speaker 3: in college. So to me, he started okay, he played

452
00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,520
Speaker 3: in thirty three, he started twenty seven games, but he's

453
00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:31,080
Speaker 3: somebody that's older. He's going to be twenty five, I believe. Yeah,

454
00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,560
Speaker 3: he's going to be twenty five in September. So it's

455
00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,440
Speaker 3: it's a combination. We used to just look at the starts.

456
00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:39,800
Speaker 3: To me, I think it's almost a combination of okay,

457
00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:41,960
Speaker 3: the starts, but maybe even just the time spent in

458
00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,520
Speaker 3: college four or five years. So that's a maturing time

459
00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:47,080
Speaker 3: for you, not only as a football player, but as

460
00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,960
Speaker 3: a human being. So it's a time spent there as

461
00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:51,800
Speaker 3: well as as some of the experience that you have

462
00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,520
Speaker 3: on the field. And when we think about starts, you're

463
00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,440
Speaker 3: not thinking about if you're in college for five years.

464
00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,560
Speaker 3: Think about the practice reps. You know, you're getting practice

465
00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,920
Speaker 3: reps again college players, which are more valuable than high

466
00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,920
Speaker 3: school reps. So now you've got five years of that

467
00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,120
Speaker 3: versus some of these other guys who have three years

468
00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:08,880
Speaker 3: that it's an extra two years.

469
00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:10,119
Speaker 2: It's extrao years. How about this.

470
00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:11,760
Speaker 1: I don't know if you paid attention, but Steess and

471
00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:16,440
Speaker 1: Bennett has played pretty well in and we will temper

472
00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,720
Speaker 1: expectation in preseason. I know preseason not that, but as

473
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,320
Speaker 1: an evaluator, you like guys to check off the box

474
00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:25,080
Speaker 1: like you like guys to look good in preseason because

475
00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,760
Speaker 1: at least it maybe gives you a glimmer of hope

476
00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:29,520
Speaker 1: that they were performed well in the regular season.

477
00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:30,840
Speaker 2: But Stesen Benn is another guy.

478
00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,200
Speaker 1: Man, how many years did he spend post high school

479
00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,280
Speaker 1: in the collegiate game, whether at Georgia or junior college

480
00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:41,439
Speaker 1: or whatever. Significant time has allowed him to mature and

481
00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,520
Speaker 1: so now maybe the learning process when it comes to

482
00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,639
Speaker 1: the playbook. He has a you know how we always

483
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,800
Speaker 1: bring quarterbacks on like hey man, what's your week look like?

484
00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,320
Speaker 1: He has a plan to getting himself ready to play

485
00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,160
Speaker 1: a game at the end of the week. And then

486
00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,159
Speaker 1: for Stefan Bennett, the last two years, he played in

487
00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:01,480
Speaker 1: several marquee games, several leverage contest where he had to

488
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,320
Speaker 1: be at his best to help this team win a

489
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,440
Speaker 1: national title. And back to back years, I'm seeing it,

490
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 1: And I'm be honest, I didn't know like what kind

491
00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:11,880
Speaker 1: of grade you put on Stetson Bennett, Like I mean,

492
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:13,240
Speaker 1: what is launcher?

493
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,800
Speaker 2: But I will say this, he's played really well in

494
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:16,160
Speaker 2: the thing.

495
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,440
Speaker 1: And if Sean McVay is able to take what he's

496
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,199
Speaker 1: able to do and kind of build around it, like

497
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:22,880
Speaker 1: you have a solid backup. I don't know if he'll

498
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,480
Speaker 1: ever be a long time starter, but he is definitely

499
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:28,880
Speaker 1: a solid backup who has kind of proven his.

500
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 2: Worth through the first couple of games of the preseason.

501
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,639
Speaker 3: And Stetson Bennett, just like O'Connell will be twenty five

502
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 3: in September, He's somebody who played in forty four games,

503
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,280
Speaker 3: you know, over four year period of time getting action there.

504
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,280
Speaker 3: So it all adds up. And to me, if you

505
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,879
Speaker 3: talked about Perty, well let's go beyond Purdy. Let's look

506
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 3: at the year. We remember we had Dak and Kirk Cousins.

507
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,879
Speaker 3: Those guys played a time football. Think about think about

508
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 3: Burrow's age, you know, Burrow having Benett College for a

509
00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:00,359
Speaker 3: while five years there. You think about Justin Herbert four

510
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:04,919
Speaker 3: years of experience, Jalen Hurts four years of experience, Like

511
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 3: it's a thing man, it's a thing, and I almost

512
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 3: think on the on the other side of that, maybe,

513
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:15,480
Speaker 3: in hindsight, the equalizer for Jordan Love, who's playing really

514
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 3: well this preseason, is that, Okay, maybe he didn't get

515
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 3: those two extra years in college. On the practice field,

516
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 3: he's getting those two extra years and the pros.

517
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,639
Speaker 2: He's getting ready to go. He's getting him in the pros.

518
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,359
Speaker 1: And so we've talked about that when it comes to

519
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,120
Speaker 1: the registered year in the In the at the NFL level,

520
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 1: we're able to sit learn and process the game. And

521
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 1: even though I understand like there's some pros to playing

522
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:41,400
Speaker 1: right away, there's something to being a mature player going

523
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 1: through the struggles as opposed to being a young, immature

524
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 1: player trying to figure out how to handle all of

525
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 1: these things. DJ I'm gonna say this, Zach Wilson is

526
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,880
Speaker 1: benefiting from the fact that he is no doubt.

527
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:53,119
Speaker 2: With Aaron Rodgers.

528
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 1: This is the best that we've seen Zach Wilson look

529
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,880
Speaker 1: since he's in a delete like he is confident, he's decisive,

530
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 1: he's learning from Aaron Rodgers. And when the Jets move

531
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 1: on from Aaron Rodgers, or Aaron Rodgers moves on from

532
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 1: the Jets in a year or two or whenever, Zach

533
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 1: Wilson is going to be a better player for it.

534
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 1: They may have a situation where they get a much

535
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 1: better player because he's being able to kind of slow

536
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 1: the game down, sit behind a Hall of Fame quarterback

537
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,439
Speaker 1: and really learn how to play the position. And so

538
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 1: there is something to be said for the age and

539
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,479
Speaker 1: the experience and how that can translate into success at

540
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 1: an NFL level.

541
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, with him, I almost think of it's like a

542
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 3: bike that was assembled wrong and it's like, Okay, well

543
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 3: it's not going to work like it's not assembled properly,

544
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 3: So we're going to take the whole bike apart, which

545
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 3: they have done. Now Aaron Rodgers is in there. You're

546
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 3: taking the bike apart. Now, there's no guarantee that when

547
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,159
Speaker 3: it's put back together it's going to work, but we

548
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 3: knew on the path it was on it had no

549
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 3: chance of working. So at least you're buying yourself some

550
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 3: time and you've got a chance that this thing could

551
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 3: end up working out.

552
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm gonna say this, and I don't want

553
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: to put a carter head of the horse, but I've

554
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 1: heard people talk about what is way they can keep

555
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 1: him after this year, And I'm like, well why not,

556
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 1: Like why like why can't you keep him? Like, oh, well,

557
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:07,199
Speaker 1: it'd be silly. You don't know if you play you

558
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 1: got the fifth year option. Like we saw what the

559
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 1: Package just did. The Package just gave us a blueprint

560
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: on how to do this.

561
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 2: They just did it. They just did a.

562
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 1: New deal with with Jordan Love where they were able

563
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 1: to do it. So, yes, you absolutely can do it.

564
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 1: And the relationship to Aaron Rodgers and Zach Wilson have

565
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,439
Speaker 1: kind of cultivated the mentor relationship and all that.

566
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 2: Why would I want to break that up? Yeah?

567
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: I think for me it is a blessing for Zach

568
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 1: Wilson that he is being able to kind of step

569
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: back learn how to play, and learn how to play

570
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 1: from someone that he idolized, that he already has the

571
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 1: utmost respect for. He now has a willing ear that

572
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 1: maybe he didn't have those first couple of years when

573
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:45,640
Speaker 1: he was in New York.

574
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I also think, in a weird way, you know,

575
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 3: one of the issues with Zach was, Okay, he lost

576
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 3: some credibility by his own doing inside that room. And

577
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,040
Speaker 3: it's almost as if when the fourth time MVP, the

578
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 3: future Hall of Famer gives you the stamp of approval.

579
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 3: It's like everybody else in the everybe ELTs in the room, like, hey,

580
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 3: Aaron says, he's good.

581
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 2: We're good.

582
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 3: He we're good, He's good. He could he knows, we're

583
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 3: gonna tell Aaron. He doesn't know what he's looking at.

584
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 3: So I think that I think that's a big deal.

585
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: Oh, it's a huge deal, And I think I think

586
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: it's one of the best things whatever, because without Aaron

587
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 1: Rodgers being there, I don't know how Zach Wilson could

588
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: regain his credibility amongst his teammate.

589
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 3: That wouldn't happen with like Derek Carr. Like I and

590
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 3: I had I had said during the time, like okay, man,

591
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 3: Derek Carr is younger, he'll be there longer. This Jets

592
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 3: team's young. You know, maybe maybe it makes more sense

593
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 3: for them to go after somebody like Derek Carr. Now

594
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 3: they went after Aaron Rodgers, who's obviously much more accomplished

595
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 3: than than Derek Carr. I don't think if Derek Carr

596
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 3: came in there. I think that that I don't know

597
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 3: if Zach's still on the team if that, if that happens.

598
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,239
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I think it's a different thing.

599
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: But because in whatever way, Zach Wilson has always talked

600
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: about Aaron Rodgers because they've kind of found that thing.

601
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 2: I think Aaron Rodgers like.

602
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: This is a legacy play for him, not only the

603
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: way that he plays, but if he plays well and

604
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 1: then is able to pass the baton to Zach Wilson

605
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 1: and Zach Wilson plays well. The one thing that people

606
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: will point to is pre Aaron post Aaron. Before Aaron,

607
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: he wasn't this player. After Aaron, he was this player.

608
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: So Aaron gets the benefit of that. And so when

609
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: we talked about legacies and we made he doesn't care

610
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: about this, Oh, he absolutely does if he can leave

611
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 1: the Jets in a better place with a better quarterback

612
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: after he's done.

613
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 2: I mean, you just talked about the celebration story. He's

614
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 2: I mean, he's an icon.

615
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: They are already ready to eat him up into big

616
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 1: Apple if they actually win.

617
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 2: You talk about the legacy that he will have. I mean,

618
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 2: it's him and Broadway Joe, that's it.

619
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 3: Think about on the other side of that, right, going back,

620
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 3: what if Brett Favre had taken this approach that Aaron's

621
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 3: taken of saying, Hey, I'm going to play for a

622
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 3: couple of years and then I'm gonna my legacy is

623
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 3: going to be this Aaron Rodgers kid and how he plays,

624
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 3: and I'm going to help him. I'm not going to

625
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 3: be adversarial, I'm not going to be combative. I'm going

626
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 3: to take him under my wing. Aaron Rodgers is my guy.

627
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 3: I'm going I'm gonna finish my career bam handed off.

628
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 3: Brett Farveod have bragging rights right now of the four

629
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 3: MVPs that Aaron Rodgers has hung on his mantle instead,

630
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 3: it's like Brett fav doesn't even come up. It was

631
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 3: almost like he did this in spite of Brett.

632
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's a way for him to really change

633
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: some of the narrative about him. I think Aaron is

634
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: fully aware of the narrative that was surrounding him in

635
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: terms of being prickly and all that he's done. A

636
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: complete one eighty in New York. I mean you look

637
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 1: at hard knocks and all the other stuff. He's like

638
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 1: the model teammate, the model franchise quarterback, everything that you

639
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: want him to be and so Zach Wilson benefits from

640
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: being there, and it goes back to our thing for

641
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 1: so long, may we want to just jump dump these

642
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 1: dudes and just put him out there on the field.

643
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: They make quick assessments after a year or so, they

644
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 1: can't play, and look, man, it just takes time. And DJ,

645
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: we weren't planning to talk about this, but I think

646
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: the Trey landsting is still fascinating, right. I think it's

647
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 1: fascinating because just the way the pendulum has swung so

648
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: far in the other direction.

649
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 3: It's oh man, I mean it's like, oh, we gotta.

650
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 2: Ge him out.

651
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: We got to ge him out to build him, got

652
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: to boot him. He can't play or whatever like and

653
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: whether he can or not. To me, I'm like, if

654
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,239
Speaker 1: you have to San Francisco fortnights, you don't get rid

655
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 1: of him. Like he asked some salvageable stuff. At least

656
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: you need to see what it could because you got

657
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: to pay him anyway, so I might as well see

658
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: if I can develop him and if an injury, if

659
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: he does get on the field with I mean, who knows,

660
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: like you just I don't know. I just think we

661
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: on our side right now. We are so quick to

662
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: like jump off the wagon, on and off and on

663
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: and off.

664
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 2: He can't. He can't. It's it's over. I think we're quarterbacks.

665
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: We're seeing, particularly these guys, it takes experience, and because

666
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: he didn't have a lot of collegiate experience, it's gonna

667
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: take a little longer maybe to see some of that

668
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: potential that a lot of us thought we saw in

669
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: him when he was at North Dakota State.

670
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 3: Tell me if you agree with this or or you disagree,

671
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 3: but this is my take on that thing, is that

672
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 3: Kyle Shanahan had developed, let's just use the word software

673
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 3: right his offense, his software. He had developed his own software.

674
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,479
Speaker 3: He'd had success with it, hadn't got to the ultimate

675
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 3: finish line, but he's had a lot of success with

676
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 3: his software. And then the thought was, Okay, in order

677
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 3: for us to take the next step, I gotta I've

678
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 3: got to I've got to get some new software. So

679
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 3: I've got to I've got to go to a new

680
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 3: software program. And so I'm gonna go get Trey Lance.

681
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 3: I'm gonna draft him. I'm gonna change how I've done things.

682
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 3: I'm gonna build up this whole new software and then

683
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 3: and then we'll have we'll see if we can have

684
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 3: some success, even more success than we've had. So then

685
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 3: Trey gets hurt. Trade didn't a chance, he didn't play much,

686
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 3: he didn't play great, and so then he has to

687
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 3: take this other quarterback in Brock Purty, and he goes,

688
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 3: you know what, let's just run the old software. And

689
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 3: Brock Purdy gets out there and they're having success, and

690
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 3: then Kyle Shanahan's going, like, what the heck do I

691
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 3: want to keep working on developing this new My old

692
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 3: software works fine, and this guy knows how to operate it.

693
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,959
Speaker 3: So sorry, It's almost kind of like, sorry, Trey, Like

694
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 3: the whole program we were gonna go down to help

695
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 3: develop and cater things towards you, that's out because this

696
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 3: other guy can do my thing that I've already done

697
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 3: and installed. He can already run that. So it almost

698
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 3: leaves Trey kind of I'm not saying he got screwed.

699
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 3: I'm just saying he's just kind of at least.

700
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 2: A little bit. At least at least, it does leave

701
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 2: him in a lurch.

702
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: And DJ what I what I wonder about with Trey

703
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: and those things? Yeah, like Shanahan clearly likes what he's

704
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: gotten from brock Peridy.

705
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 2: I'll say this because brock Peridy's been great.

706
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: We still need to see more because he's only played

707
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: like nine starts in those things.

708
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 2: To see about that.

709
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: You talk about old software, new software or whatever, but

710
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: what is the ceiling on the nine is with pretty there?

711
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: I know he got to the championship game last year.

712
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: I think this year will really go a long way

713
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: to determine whether and man, we can stay the course

714
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: with the old software or maybe we do need to

715
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: reboot and see if we can have some new software

716
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: because they've been there for a while, but it's it's

717
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: kind of time like there's a lot of pressure that's

718
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: beginning to escalate on San Francisco to win it all.

719
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: They've been do Super Bowl and all that, but I mean,

720
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: at some point you have to win it because that's

721
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: what that's what the standard.

722
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 2: Is out there.

723
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I just look at San Francisco and

724
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 3: I okay, if you look at the three elements, right,

725
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 3: if you look at the play caller, the skill players

726
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 3: in the quarterback, if we just break it up that way,

727
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 3: you'd be like, okay, play color is a ten out

728
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 3: of ten. The players around him at the skill positions

729
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 3: are a nine out of ten. Like they don't need

730
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 3: they don't need a ten quarterback. They need a six

731
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 3: or a seven quarterback, and they're going to be able

732
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 3: to score a bunch of points because of all the

733
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 3: other those other two things they have in place. My

734
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 3: thing is, you know, look, you're in the NFC is

735
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 3: probably a good thing because if you've got to run

736
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 3: the gauntlet in the AFC, you're going to see some

737
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 3: other teams that have a pretty good play caller, maybe

738
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 3: he's an eight or nine. They have skill players that

739
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 3: are maybe an eight or nine, and they've got a

740
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 3: ten quarterback. Like he doesn't have to run through those

741
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 3: ten he's got. He's got Hurts like that's who he's

742
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 3: got to get through in the NFC, and it hurts.

743
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 3: It hurts. Is maybe a nine you might have. Philly

744
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 3: might be a nine all the way down the board

745
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 3: like that. That's why Philly's a you know, I think

746
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 3: is the favorite there because I think I still take

747
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts over brock Purty.

748
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: Oh I think. I mean, I look mann't get much

749
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 2: of it for me.

750
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 3: No, That's that's what I'm saying though, but I mean, like,

751
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 3: doesn't that change your thinking a little bit if you're

752
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 3: San Francisco saying, Okay, I don't need that. I look

753
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 3: if I look at my road I have to travel,

754
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 3: I'd love to have a nine or ten. I don't

755
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 3: need a nine or a ten.

756
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, now you're you're right about that, And it's about, hey,

757
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 2: what can what do we need? What do we need

758
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 2: to win what we're facing? Like, what do we need?

759
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: And so you're right, they don't need that if they

760
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: have all the other weapons in place.

761
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 2: The only thing I'm worried about. We always talk about

762
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 2: the quarterback. Man.

763
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: Sometimes you get in those games DJ where the other

764
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: stuff isn't clicking, like you wanted to the Pat Mahomes

765
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: type deal, and hey man, we need you to save this.

766
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: And so just that part of it, it just makes

767
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: your your margin for era slimmer than some of the

768
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: other teams that have some of these five star quarterbacks

769
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: in place.

770
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

771
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:49,959
Speaker 3: No, it's it'll be interesting to see how it all

772
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 3: goes there. Hopefully Brock pretty stays healthy and we get

773
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 3: a chance to watch a really fun offense there in

774
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 3: San Francisco. All right, next thing here, Buck last thing

775
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 3: on the agenda. I was looking, you know, watching some

776
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 3: preseason games and then the games I was at and

777
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 3: just kind of paying attention to some of these whiteouts

778
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 3: that have popped a little bit, and I thought, man,

779
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 3: there's a little bit of a theme if you look

780
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 3: at some guys at training camp tour and then also

781
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 3: what we've seen in the preseason. You've seen guys like

782
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 3: Calvin Austin play well to two at Wells, had a

783
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 3: good camp with the Rams. Tank Dell has been awesome

784
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 3: for Houston and his first NFL action. You know, Rondell

785
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 3: Moore is another guy. I saw Darius Davis take one

786
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 3: to the crib on you know, for the Chargers on

787
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 3: a punt return, and so I started looking at it.

788
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, over the last couple of years, I'm

789
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 3: just going to do a little search on wideouts that

790
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 3: were under five to ten, under one hundred and ninety

791
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 3: pounds just in the last two years. And you start seeing,

792
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 3: you know, let's see, you've got Calvin Austin, who I

793
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 3: just mentioned, Darius Davis, who I mentioned, Tank Dell. We

794
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 3: talked about Josh Downs, your your a tar heel, Zay Flowers,

795
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 3: who's been awesome by all accounts with the Ravens, Like

796
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 3: there's a good chunk of guys that don't fit the

797
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 3: historical norm or the standard that you're looking for in

798
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 3: wide outs. And in the past we've talked a lot

799
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 3: about play strength being underrated for whiteouts and has been

800
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 3: a big indicator of how they're gonna transition to the

801
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 3: next level. But it seems like maybe it's just this camp,

802
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 3: but it seems like what I've been seeing, what I've

803
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 3: been reading, these little guys have popped a little bit.

804
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 3: And I'm curious to see if this, if this, you know,

805
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 3: gets into the regular season, if we don't open up

806
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 3: some doors here for some of these undersized receivers.

807
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, we may open up doors.

808
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: The immediate thing that stands out to me when I

809
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 1: look at that list size and.

810
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 2: Speed ratio, like they may be small, but they can fly.

811
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: The other thing that stands out, I think all those

812
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: guys were pretty accomplished as returners, and so DJ you

813
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: talk about playing strength and contact balance, Well, if you're

814
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: a high end returner, you always have to have those

815
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: things in display. One of the things why coach Rung

816
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: and Bill Walsh always like punk returns because there's any

817
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: in the innate level of toughness.

818
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 2: That these guys possessed.

819
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: You gotta have some fearlessness to go back there and

820
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: catch punts and deal with all that. The other thing

821
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: is you're pretty good at running after the catch because

822
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: you're used to kind of maneuvering in traffic. So all

823
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: of these little guys are strong, they're tough, they're fearless,

824
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: they're able to do it. The number one thing that

825
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: has always kind of prevented the league from falling in

826
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 1: love with these little guys are how do they handle contact?

827
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: How do they handle the big corners that want to

828
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: mall and match them on the perimeter. Some of the

829
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: league rules, though, have made it where, look, they don't

830
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: have to face some of the stuff that they used

831
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: to have to face in terms of guys putting their

832
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: hands on them and mugging them. Some of the creativity

833
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: from your offensive coordinators where you're motioning them and putting

834
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: them in stack and bunch formations to help them elude

835
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: some of that physicality at the line of scrimmage. I

836
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: think people are doing more to help these guys get

837
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: loose and the success of other lighter.

838
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 2: Guys DeVante Smith having a thousand yard.

839
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 3: Like, so lobby wasn't Marquis Brown fits Like, so you

840
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 3: have some guys who have slender bills, who has success,

841
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,919
Speaker 3: And once you start seeing guys have success, you're more

842
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 3: apt to give other guys chances.

843
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: And I think that's what we could be seeing as

844
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: these young, these small guys begin.

845
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 3: To kind of make their mark in the preseason. But

846
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 3: I talked about Fantasy a little bit. I took Tank

847
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,959
Speaker 3: Dell in that league too. Dude, at some point in time,

848
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 3: like you just got to ask yourself, like, what am

849
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 3: I waiting for here to commit on somebody like this

850
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 3: because they couldn't cover him in college. You look a

851
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 3: him an All Star game, no no chance you saw

852
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 3: you know, the workout, how he moves around. And then

853
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 3: you get out to the preseason. Here in camp, nobody

854
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 3: can cover him, and joint practice nobody can cover him.

855
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 3: In the preseason games, nobody can. I'm like, okay, what

856
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 3: point time we say I don't care how small this

857
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 3: guy is. Nobody can cover this guy.

858
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, no one could government And then it's your job

859
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: as a coaching staff to continue to create opportunities for

860
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: him to get free, so he can do what he

861
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 1: does really well. He's fantastic with the ball in his hands.

862
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: He has because we've seen some of those clips circulate

863
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: on social media about what he's been able to do

864
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: and practice his joint like all of it. Like he

865
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: gets busy, and so his ability to get open and

866
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: create separation for we got like c J. Stroud because

867
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: they you know, Werner Street there said c J. Stroud

868
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: really liked Tank Deal, really wanted them. So that connection

869
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: between those guys could give them a nice foundation to

870
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: start building it passing.

871
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 3: You no doubt. Well again, something to look at it.

872
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 3: The takeaways from today's episode agent experience with quarterbacks and

873
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 3: maybe size on the white outs. Maybe you know, hey,

874
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 3: maybe this is a little bit of a turn here.

875
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 3: Maybe we get a chance to see some smaller players

876
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 3: get more opportunities and see what they can do. That

877
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 3: was a fun one today, Buck, anything you want to

878
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 3: add before we jump out of here.

879
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 2: No, I mean this part is always fun.

880
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 1: DJ's fun because you get a chance to see like

881
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: that those college evaluations pop and then we get to

882
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: talk about the trends and all the other stuff.

883
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 2: So that's the fun part of the team building.

884
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 3: For me, no doubt. All right, this has been a

885
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 3: good one. I hope you guys have enjoyed it would

886
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 3: encourage you if you can leave us a rating and

887
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 3: a review. We appreciate those. If you get a moment

888
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 3: and we'll see you next time. Right here on, move

889
00:37:52,600 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 3: the sticks st