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Speaker 1: From the RAMS studio connected by at NT. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to Between the Horns. I'm Miles Simmons. I'm here with JB. Loong.

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Speaker 1: It's February eighth, and the Rams have a new coaching staff.

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Speaker 1: They've had Sean mcvagh in plays for just under a

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Speaker 1: month now, but now we know all the names JB.

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Speaker 1: That are on the coaching staff roster. I think it's exciting.

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Speaker 1: It's a feel good day, right. You kind of come

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Speaker 1: through the dark side of the moon when you have

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Speaker 1: to part ways with your previous staff and there are

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Speaker 1: a lot of tough conversations, a lot of tough moments

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Speaker 1: in that whole process. And today, when it's finally restocked

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Speaker 1: and you know who's going to be on your sideline

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Speaker 1: come next fall, everyone is brimming with optimism and I

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Speaker 1: think there is a lot to be optimistic about this group. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I agree with you, JB. You know, we had an

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Speaker 1: opportunity with the full front office staff of the RAMS

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Speaker 1: today to go up to cal Lutheran. Here's Sean McVeagh

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Speaker 1: introduce all of the members of his coaching staff in

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Speaker 1: I think my biggest takeaway from that was just how

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Speaker 1: excited everybody seems to be there, and you know, it's

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Speaker 1: sort of easy to say that, of course when it's

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Speaker 1: day one, you know, and everybody is there and everybody

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Speaker 1: should be excited, But there was really just a good

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Speaker 1: sense of palpable excitement I felt like, and I think

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Speaker 1: that that hopefully we'll be able to translate, you know,

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Speaker 1: as we go forward here. Yeah, I want to start

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Speaker 1: by saying congratulations to Shane Waldron, not just because he's

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Speaker 1: a new part of the staff and we'll coach tight ends,

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Speaker 1: but also because he has an eight day old daughter. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine the turmoil of being with your spouse

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Speaker 1: and a new baby and a new job. I've been

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Speaker 1: there semi recently, so I can relate to what that

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Speaker 1: must have been like for him, But very excited for him.

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Speaker 1: A couple other things that you probably noticed too. Age range.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about anywhere between twenty four years old to

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Speaker 1: Wade Phillips at sixty nine years old. Combined age of

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Speaker 1: head coach and offensive coordinator sixty eight years compared to

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Speaker 1: Wade sixty nine, So in terms of offensive and defensive

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Speaker 1: but also a good mix of men who have been

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Speaker 1: to the top, who have Super Bowl rings that they

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Speaker 1: can show us and their players, and a bunch of

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Speaker 1: others who are really hungry to get to that goal. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was one of my big takeaways to just the

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Speaker 1: fact that you've got guys who have been to the

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Speaker 1: top of that mountain, and a few of the assistant

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Speaker 1: coaches today we're talking about how there's really nothing like

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Speaker 1: winning a Super Bowl and how that experience can help,

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Speaker 1: you know, this young team and this young head coach

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Speaker 1: and the rest of the staff. I think that's going

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Speaker 1: to be pretty critical, you know, as we go forward

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Speaker 1: here in the next few months. But let's let's talk

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Speaker 1: about some of these guys. Obviously, Wade Phillips was announced

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Speaker 1: as the defensive coordinator going back into January, so we've

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Speaker 1: known this for a little while. But I think his

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Speaker 1: experience and winning super Bowls, you know, having so many

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Speaker 1: top ten defenses, and being you know, the guy who

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Speaker 1: of course, there was that tweet last week, you know

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Speaker 1: down there in Houston, words like okay, you've got their

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Speaker 1: your defensive coordinators on medicare probably should be in your

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Speaker 1: head coach belongs in daycare. I think that kind of

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Speaker 1: balance on the staff. I think that's going to be

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Speaker 1: so valuable. I'm really looking forward to reading his book

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Speaker 1: right about his relationship with his father, and that reminds

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Speaker 1: me that there are also two men who are part

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Speaker 1: of three generations of NFL coaching, and Phillips, and also

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Speaker 1: Chris Shula, who is part of this new staff as well.

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Speaker 1: So yes, on the one hand, you have the youngest

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Speaker 1: gentlemen who are rich with NFL coaching tradition and have

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Speaker 1: a ton of experience that you can tap into. There's

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Speaker 1: also like a familiarity and a cohesiveness to this group,

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Speaker 1: which I don't know about you, but I wasn't necessarily expecting. Sure, yea,

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Speaker 1: almost without exception, you can trace each coach either through

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Speaker 1: Gruden tree or the Mike Shanahan tree. Yeah. So you know,

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Speaker 1: start rowing in the right direction, right, because a lot

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Speaker 1: of times, you know, if you get guys from who

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Speaker 1: have been on different staffs, part of different philosophies, different

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Speaker 1: be able to speak the same language, I think, very

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Speaker 1: And I think that's something that's very very positive here

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Speaker 1: going forward, because you need that everybody's got to be

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Speaker 1: more so the case than probably with the relationship between

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Speaker 1: McVeigh and offensive coordinator Matt Lafleur, probably the last official

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Speaker 1: until this past weekend. But I think it was a

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Speaker 1: conscious decision to instead of going out and making a

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Speaker 1: huge name splash higher with an offensive coordinator, North Turner

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Speaker 1: is a name that you and I have put out

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Speaker 1: there just as an example. I think McVay made a

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Speaker 1: conscious effort to say, let's put the system in place

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Speaker 1: that we had that worked well with Kirk Cousins in Washington.

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Speaker 1: Let's bring that and just have that consistency in that

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Speaker 1: that level too, and that I'm speaking the same language

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Speaker 1: to allow me to be more efficient, more effective in

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Speaker 1: then teaching this offensive this offense and the offensive player. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's a great point. You know, Lafleur

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Speaker 1: ton of credit for Matt Ryan's MVP season this year,

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Speaker 1: chose not to hire an offensive coordinator in San Francisco,

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Speaker 1: by the way, but she's very interesting, by the way

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Speaker 1: of another example of how a young coach first time

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Speaker 1: you know the other thing about hiring an offensive coordinator

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Speaker 1: other thing that's really good about this is they already

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Speaker 1: because the two work together in Washington. That's when Mike

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Speaker 1: Shanahan was the head coach there. I think Lafleur was

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Speaker 1: there from twenty ten to twenty thirteen. Obviously McVeigh was

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Speaker 1: Which is not to say that McVey at some point

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Speaker 1: with a veteran offensive mind. Right. We heard a lot

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Speaker 1: he's groomed Lafleur or whoever to be offensive course. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: don't want to call it like decimated, but their offensive

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Speaker 1: hired Steve Sarkisian to be their new offensive coordinator, but

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Speaker 1: So undergoing a lot of those changes. How does that

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Speaker 1: But as it relates to the Los Angeles Rams, you know,

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Speaker 1: He's you know, coming off a good season obviously as

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Speaker 1: because these are two coordinators that can be in place

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Speaker 1: going to have success. Yeah, the stability is great when

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Speaker 1: give them promotions. But I think part of the reason,

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Speaker 1: is because I think McVeigh got more of his first

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Speaker 1: There was a teleconference with Chip Kelly when we played

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Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers late in the year. He was

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Speaker 1: asked about the challenges of whoever it gets hired to

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Speaker 1: pointed to I wrote this down because it's stuck out

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Speaker 1: in my mind. He said. One of the toughest things

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Speaker 1: a situation and you've got Aaron Donald, you know, and

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Speaker 1: it makes it really a lot easier, you know. And also,

432
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,359
Speaker 1: but it's not just him, you know, You've got guys

433
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Speaker 1: like a Michael Brockers who has shown that he can

434
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,440
Speaker 1: be a good player in this league, especially with what

435
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 1: he does. You know, he's not necessarily asked to do

436
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 1: the past rushing aspects, but I think we've seen Rockers

437
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,879
Speaker 1: can take up those double teams. You know, at the

438
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. He can play the run very well,

439
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,680
Speaker 1: and if there's an opportunity where he can get us, okay,

440
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 1: maybe he does that as well. But you know, you

441
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,679
Speaker 1: also have William Hayes, who I think has done a

442
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,200
Speaker 1: really nice job the past couple of years as a starter.

443
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,440
Speaker 1: Eugene Sims on the outside, and we can continue to

444
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 1: go through these names, but that yes, that's a very

445
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,399
Speaker 1: very solid situation there at defensive how about on the

446
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,360
Speaker 1: other side of the equation, who has the most work

447
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 1: to do, say between now and whether it's draft or

448
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 1: training camp or week one. You know, you could kind

449
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,920
Speaker 1: of maybe take your pick on the offensive side of

450
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,880
Speaker 1: the ball. I think probably Eric Yarber, you know, as

451
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,679
Speaker 1: the new wide receivers coach, is somebody that's sticking around LA.

452
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 1: He's coming from UCLA where he had the same position

453
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,680
Speaker 1: there under Jim Mora. But obviously the Rams wide receiving

454
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 1: corps last year was not good. I mean you had

455
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 1: a plethora of drops, you know, all the time. And

456
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 1: while Kenny Britt did have a career season, you know,

457
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Speaker 1: heading into free agent year, and he had the first

458
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,439
Speaker 1: rams one thousand yards receiving seasons since two thousand and

459
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 1: seven when Torry Holt did it. There are a number

460
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Speaker 1: of problems. I think we can say that came through

461
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Speaker 1: from the wide receiver position, and you know, whether that's

462
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 1: a matter of talent, whether it was scheme, whether it

463
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 1: was coaching at that position. I think we'll maybe get

464
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 1: to see that as things go along in these next

465
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 1: few months. It's a good answer. I'd probably go with

466
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Speaker 1: a new offensive line coach, Aaron Kromer in terms of

467
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,919
Speaker 1: having the most work to do, only because there's a

468
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:14,360
Speaker 1: chance that none of the five starters in Week one

469
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 1: of next season will have played that same position or

470
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Speaker 1: be the same name as we finished Week seventeen in

471
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 1: last season. Again, here's another example of the point I

472
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Speaker 1: made previously. What does this staff feel about certain individual

473
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 1: players their roles in this organization? Long term? They get

474
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 1: to answer the Greg Robinson question, right, is there a

475
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 1: new center in Los Angeles next year? Did Havenstein have

476
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,919
Speaker 1: a sophomore slump or is that a longer term issue?

477
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 1: At right tackle, right guard, it was kind of a

478
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 1: rotating cast to characters. Do you still try and solve

479
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 1: it by volume? Do you pin one down? Do you

480
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 1: go out and look for another option? So you know,

481
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 1: the good news is Chromer comes with a reputation of

482
00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 1: having the top yards per carrying the running game for

483
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 1: his two seasons in Buffalo. To my knowledge, Shady McCoy

484
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: is not coming with him to Los Angeles unfortunately. That

485
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: might help in that regard, But I think it all

486
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,959
Speaker 1: kind of starts with his position group because it's no

487
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 1: matter what, it's going to look different next season because

488
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 1: of how heavily they've invested in it, you know, into

489
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: it the last three years, well, right, and based on

490
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Speaker 1: the performance, I mean, it has to look different, right,

491
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 1: you know. I mean you had your quarterback, your number

492
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Speaker 1: one overall pick its sacked seven times in the last

493
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Speaker 1: game of the season. Was it only seven? It was

494
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 1: only seven? Felt like I know, I know, it felt

495
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: like more, but it seemed like every five seconds I

496
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: was tweeting, Jared Goffs sacked, you know for an X

497
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 1: amount of our loss. And that was such a problem

498
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 1: that they brought in Sean Mayen to come in and

499
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 1: get some snaps because you're just beating up this guy,

500
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 1: and that is not what you want going forward. So again, yes,

501
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 1: things have got to change at the offensive line position,

502
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 1: but I think what they've done is brought in somebody

503
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,959
Speaker 1: who has a strong reputation and has shown that he

504
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 1: can do things that are you know, that can really

505
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 1: bring guys up at that position. I mean, he's got

506
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: super Bowl winning experience as well, having been at that

507
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: position in New Orleans and won a super Bowl there

508
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 1: and before he went to Buffalo under Rux Ryan. So

509
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 1: again that's why I think, you know, when we talk

510
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 1: about McVey getting a lot of guys who were probably

511
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 1: his first choice, I think this is one of them.

512
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: Because of all that success that he's had and all

513
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: of the things that he can bring to LA. I

514
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 1: think he's going to really empower those assistant coaches too,

515
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,439
Speaker 1: because one he feels good about him and too. I

516
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 1: think that's part of his management philosophies. You know, I'm

517
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,120
Speaker 1: not sure if this is the exact terminology he used,

518
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: but when he hired, interviewed, and hired coaches, his approaches.

519
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: You don't have the opportunity to come work for me,

520
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 1: You have an opportunity to come work with me and

521
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: help me achieve the goal that I want for my

522
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 1: team and for the Los Angeles franchise. And you know,

523
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 1: that's what every perspective Hire wants to hear, I think.

524
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Speaker 1: And it's sounds like he's gonna really groom and make

525
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 1: these assistant coaches available and give them some autonomy because

526
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 1: he trusts who they are and their backgrounds and what

527
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: they can offer their position groups. Yeah, one of the

528
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 1: one of the guys that was also going to be

529
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: sticking around aside from Fossil is running backs coach Skip Pete.

530
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Speaker 1: And you know, you and I were talking about this before.

531
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,479
Speaker 1: It was a good anecdote that McVeigh brought up in

532
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 1: the meeting that he had with the front office staff

533
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: about you know, retaining Skip. You go ahead, oh, Shirt, Well,

534
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: I mean she talked about well, he was saying that,

535
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: you know, before the night before the day before he

536
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: was going to meet with Pete to sort of interview him,

537
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: he got a call from Todd Gurley and Todd Gurley said,

538
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: you know, I would really love to have the opportunity

539
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: to continue working under Skip Pete. And he said that

540
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 1: you know that McVay said that wasn't everything, but it

541
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,239
Speaker 1: definitely meant something that you know, the running back that

542
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 1: basically it was supposed to be the star running back

543
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 1: of this team would reach out like that and really

544
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: want to have Pete come back and continue working under him.

545
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: That means something to me. It given the low retention

546
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 1: percentage from staff to staff, and given how mightily Todd

547
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: struggled and in that position group, you would say the

548
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: Running Game. I think it's a question that's out there

549
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: for our fan base and for our audience, is wait

550
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 1: a second, changing staff, but retaining a leader of a

551
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: group that struggle doesn't necessarily jive. But look, I don't

552
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: think Skip needs to justify his existence. He's got a

553
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: much longer track record than has been twenty sixteen in

554
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: the Rams Running Game. But I do think that call

555
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: and that anecdote is meaningful for a lot of reasons. One,

556
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 1: it says to me that Todd felt strongly enough to

557
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 1: pick up the phone. Yeah, and he had already had

558
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: his conversation with Sean like kind of a welcome to

559
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 1: the team, here's what we're going to do. But he

560
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: kind of thought back and said, Hey, what mcvay's probably

561
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: doing now is hiring my position coach. And I want

562
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: to make sure that Skip Pete isn't taken the fall

563
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: for something that maybe I didn't do or that my

564
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: offense didn't do. So I'm going to make sure that

565
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: I go to bat for him. I like that a lot.

566
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: To me. That's really encouraging. It says a lot about

567
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: Todd who he is as a person and what his

568
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 1: mentality is going into next season. Well, and it's him

569
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 1: growing as a leader as well. I think, you know,

570
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: he was voted captain of this team, and I think

571
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: it might have taken him a little bit of time

572
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 1: to kind of grow into that captain role. As the

573
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: year went on, I think he did. You know, there

574
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 1: were times where after the game he over the course

575
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 1: of the year, I think after the game he kind

576
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: of softened maybe his stance with the media and was

577
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: a little bit more open and honest, and sometimes that

578
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: produced headlines. And I think as a captain and as

579
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: a somebody who was well known across this league after

580
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: winning twenty fifteen Offensive Rookie of the Year, it's something

581
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: he might have taken a little bit longer to embrace

582
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: than I don't know, he might have taken a little

583
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: while to embrace it, but I think he did embrace it,

584
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: and I think him going forward now that's going to

585
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: be a really significant part of this offense. And if

586
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: the Rams can run the ball effectively, then obviously that's

587
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: going to help your young quarterback too. So that's always

588
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: been the idea, you know, and the philosophy behind both

589
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: drafting him helping a young quarterback, and then of course

590
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: drafting Jared Goff last year. But if these kinds of

591
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: things can continue from Todd Gurley, I think it's a

592
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: good sign of leadership the way the coaches today and

593
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: mcveay have spoken publicly about some of the key pieces

594
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: of the existing roster. And I don't think this is

595
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: just blowing smoke. I don't think this is Hey, I

596
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: need to cater to Jared or Todd or Alec or

597
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: whomever and kind of make sure that they know that

598
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: I have their back. A lot of times when coaching

599
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: changes happen, there are open competitions, yes, and you'd like

600
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: to think that in the NFL every day at practice

601
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: is an open competition, but that's not always the case.

602
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: So do I think there will be opportunities for other

603
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: running backs to get work this year and other receivers

604
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: and maybe not quarterbacks. Yeah, yeah, sure, there's always that opportunity.

605
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: But I also think the way that the coaches have spoken,

606
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: they are genuinely more optimistic about what's currently in place

607
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: than maybe some other corners of the fan base might be.

608
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: I know, I would agree with that assessment because it's

609
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: not like you're you know, you're sound like you're hearing

610
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: Sean McVay say this publicly. You know, oh, everything is open,

611
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: you know we're gonna do X y Z. And I

612
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: think maybe fans, some new coaches do take that ship.

613
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: And I think sometimes maybe fans will want to hear that,

614
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: especially after you go forward and maybe behind closed doors

615
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: they are saying that to players. Yes, but and I

616
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: think that you know, if you don't perform, you're not

617
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: going to be playing, right. I think that that's I

618
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: think that's fair to say, especially anytime you have a

619
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Speaker 1: new coaching staff. You know, that's something that departed defensive

620
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: coordinate to Greg Williams always says is every day is

621
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: an interview, right, And I think that that is going

622
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: to be true, especially under a new coaching staff. But

623
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Speaker 1: I think you're right to JB and that you know

624
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: what assistance, and what McVeagh has has been saying publicly

625
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: is that, look, we we are excited about the talent

626
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: that is here, and so how they will then utilize

627
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: that talent, how they will be teachers and implement their systems.

628
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: It's going to be interesting to see, you know, how

629
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: much they can really get out of this, because, let's

630
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: be honest, the Rams don't have a first round pick.

631
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: Now they do have, and we'll probably have a full

632
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: slate of draft picks. They're expecting no fewer than eight

633
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: draft picks after the compensatory picks come through, and that

634
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: will happen at the owner's meeting in March. But at

635
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: the same time, when you don't have that premium first

636
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: round pick, that would be I think, you know number

637
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: five we're all this year. That's something that you know

638
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: you're going to have to deal with. Yeah, forty million

639
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: dollars of free agency money roughly, give or take, and

640
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: eight draft picks is not enough to turn an entire roster,

641
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: even if you wanted to. So I think the point

642
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: that you and I are both making is, regardless of

643
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: their public statements, regardless of their private sentiments, the challenge

644
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: for this coaching staff is to do more, do better

645
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: with the players they are herating than last year's group. Yes,

646
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: simple as that. Yeah, and I think that that's a

647
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: decent expectation, right, I mean, you know, this is a

648
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: team that was three and one to begin the year.

649
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: You know, they beat Seattle at home that was last

650
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: year one h three and one. Yeah, and then you

651
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: basically go through three straight months of losing and the

652
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: only game that the Rams won. So I know it

653
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: feels that, I know, but yeah, I know, but yeah,

654
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: isn't that isn't that interesting how that's the way the

655
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: season start. But you know, I guess you know, you

656
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: look at it and you look at the season, and

657
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: you know, to summarize it, you know, the team was

658
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: probably closer to the one that lost twenty eight nothing

659
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: the to the forty nine ers at Monday Night football

660
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: to start the year. Then they were the team that

661
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: went down Arizona and one that went into Tampa Bay

662
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: and won. And it's it's unfortunate that it turned out

663
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: like that. But now, you know, you have the new

664
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: coaching staff and you have all this positivity that comes

665
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: from that, and so you know, heck, you know, in

666
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: a couple of seasons, the Rams are consistent playoff contenders.

667
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: Maybe you know you It's like the John Fossil brought

668
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: this up in one of his late press conferences, the

669
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: parable of the stone cutter, Right, you know where you're

670
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: the stone cutter's hammering that stone and nothing's happening. It

671
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: looks like nothing's happening for I don't know however many

672
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: times he's hitting that stone, and then obviously, you know

673
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: on whatever it is, the hundred and fiftieth time he

674
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: hits the thing, it breaks, It splits in half, and

675
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,239
Speaker 1: it's perfect. And the point he was making there is

676
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: everything you've done up to that point got you to

677
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: that point. It wasn't just the one hundred and fiftieth

678
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: time you hit that hammer. Every every little thing mattered.

679
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: So I think he's right in that all the experiences

680
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: shape you to be who you are, and so hopefully

681
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: by going through what this season was in twenty sixteen,

682
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: the Rams will be better for it. You're never as

683
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: good as you think you are in this league, just

684
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: ask the Carolina Panthers. And you're never as bad as

685
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: maybe the public says you are. And I might kind

686
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: of go to line on this. Ever since whatever December

687
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: January has been even with the existing roster going the

688
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: whole season going exactly the way it went, the move,

689
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: the transition, everything. If the ram's just cash in their

690
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: ten point leads against playoff caliber New York Giants against

691
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: playoff caliber Miami against not playoff caliber San Francisco, it

692
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: doesn't look as bad as four and twelve. It really

693
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: doesn't know. So, I mean, we haven't really had a

694
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: chance to talk since McVeigh got hired. You haven't been

695
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 1: here on the podcast, but what have just your impression

696
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: has been of him overall in the time that he's

697
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: been here. Well, once you're in the same room as him,

698
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: you can understand why management hired him. After being in

699
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: the same room as him. It's he does a tremendous

700
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: job in that regard. And the other thing that I'll say,

701
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: based on today's observation is hearing his staff members now

702
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: speak of him. Granted, he's their boss, they need to

703
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: speak lonely about him, but kind of reading deeper than

704
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: just their comments, didn't sense that anyone on staff today

705
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 1: looked at Sean McVeigh as the youngest coach in NFL

706
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: history as as a thirty year old plus one month

707
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: or not even not fully. I think they look at

708
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: him with sincere respect, high regard. I think his philosophy

709
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: of we not me, they've bought into that, and I

710
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: think in turn, the players will so look at all

711
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: it all sounds good in February. I get it. It

712
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: all could change when you suffer your first loss. But

713
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: I think what Sean is preaching is a culture of

714
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: it's not going to change when we take our first loss.

715
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: It's not going to take a turn for the worse

716
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: when we hit a rough patch. And you know, I

717
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: think in terms of engaging personalities, in terms of developing relationships,

718
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: in terms of being the CEO that is required of

719
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: an NFL head coach, I think he's got it all.

720
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: I think the one thing that McVeigh will have to

721
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: be cautioned against, either by himself or by his advisers,

722
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: is don't try and please everybody. It's it's okay now

723
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: to try and be winning the room and winning the

724
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: staff and winning the media and doing all the interviews

725
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: you can. Sooner or later, there will come a time

726
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: where I think he does probably need to draw some

727
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: boundaries right, and he'll probably have to learn when to

728
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: say yes and when to say no, like all coaches do,

729
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: because I think his natural inclination is absolutely, we can

730
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: do that. Yes, I can do that. I don't want

731
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: to disappoint you. I want to make sure that you

732
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,720
Speaker 1: feel involved. And yeah, it's too much for one person

733
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: to do that, and then also coaching championship football teams. Man,

734
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: maybe he would disagree, but in my experience, that's the game. Well,

735
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: and I would agree with you. And I think one

736
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: of the best impression I think I've got of him

737
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: is this, what you just brought up, is the we

738
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: not me. You know, it's all very collective, and you're

739
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: gonna hear a lot of that true. Yes, yeah, it's

740
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: just the way he keeps talking about it. But I

741
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: think he's trying to drive that home that everything is

742
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: a collective. And you know when he's talked about you know,

743
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: you're not working for me, You're working with me. We

744
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: all working with each other. We all have a part

745
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 1: of this, and we all are working together to become

746
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: a champion and one of the teams that the other

747
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: thirty one teams in the league respect. And then try

748
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: to take things away from an implement because they see

749
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,439
Speaker 1: what's going on, and they want to and they know

750
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 1: that this is a successful program. And so that's one

751
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: of the things I like too, is that he it's

752
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: not just about building a team, you know, a team

753
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: that can win a championship. It's about to me building

754
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: a program, and this we not me philosophy is one

755
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: of the foundations of that that you know, can then

756
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 1: be applied to basically everything that is going to happen

757
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: with this team. You know, it's not just about the quarterback.

758
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 1: It's not just about the running back. It's about the

759
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: offense as a collective. And then it's not just about

760
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: offense defense or special teams. It's about everybody as a collective, working, pushing,

761
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: pulling in all the same directions so that they can

762
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: go out and win games consistently. Again, I think it's

763
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: everything you want to hear about a new hire right

764
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,280
Speaker 1: now coming in and setting a management culture, and it's

765
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: it's no better, worse different than the prior regime. You know,

766
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 1: I think we again need to set that forth. But

767
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: in terms of relating to today's professional athletes, I think

768
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: the days of being a hardliner and being a disciplinarian

769
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: are probably getting fewer and far between. If you're Bill

770
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: Belichick and you got the rings to back it up

771
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: and you want them my way or the Highway organization,

772
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 1: because yeah, then fine. But I think Sean has an

773
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: interpersonal skill that is very much about I'm going to

774
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: make sure that before we ever set foot on the

775
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: football field, you know that I want what's best for you. Yeah,

776
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: and trust me, that's also going to be best for

777
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: the Rams. And so I'm going to establish that and

778
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: foster that and nurture that, and then once we get

779
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: that in place, we're going to start talking football in

780
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: a big way and we're going to make you a

781
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: better football player. But I need you to trust me.

782
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,879
Speaker 1: Then I'm not just a thirty one year old coach

783
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,720
Speaker 1: with a lot of you know, really revolutionary off good ideas.

784
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: Trust me on this, right, He's going to say, Hey,

785
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: I want to make sure that each day i'm making you,

786
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: I'm putting you in a better position to succeed. And

787
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: then once we've got that established, forget about you and

788
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: let's make sure that it benefits the gap. You know.

789
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: One of the one quote that I know people have

790
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: said this all the time, but I remember talking to

791
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 1: Dick for meal about this once and he said, players

792
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: don't care how much you know until they know how

793
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: much you care. And I think that that's, you know,

794
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: what Sean McVay is going to implement, because he's going

795
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: to be able to care about the person and he's

796
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: good and I think he's got those interpersonal skills that

797
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: you were talking about that he can communicate how much

798
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: it cares about the individual, on how much he wants

799
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: that person to succeed, and how he is going to

800
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: do his best to put them in the best position

801
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: to succeed. And you and I can vouch for this.

802
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 1: Jeff Fisher did too. Yes, Jeff Fisher had wonderful relationships

803
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 1: with the players absolutely who played for him. Now because

804
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: didn't work out in the wind lost column, there's a

805
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 1: new voice, there's a new approach. But I think if

806
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 1: there's a similarity between between McVeigh and Fisher, and we've

807
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: all kind of delineated the differences between the two, I

808
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: think that's a commonality is the relationship that they'll have

809
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: with the people who work for them and then the

810
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: people who play for them. And I think that's really

811
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: important because you know, sometimes people want to say, oh

812
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: my gosh, you know, they had a players coach, they

813
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,240
Speaker 1: need to do a one eighty with that, get a disciplinarian.

814
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: But I think what you said about, you know, the

815
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 1: days of the disciplinarians or whatnot, I agree because if

816
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: people want to say, oh, my gosh, Bill Belichick is

817
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: the greatest head coach, ever, is that really more about

818
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,959
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick being a disciplinarian or is that just about

819
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 1: the individual? Because there have been plenty of people who

820
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: have come up under Bill Belichick and have tried to

821
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: then go and be Bill Belichick and then they are

822
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: not successful. Right. We've seen this come out of New

823
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: England all the time, and I think maybe Bill O'Brien

824
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 1: is one of those guys who went to Penn State,

825
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,240
Speaker 1: had some success there, realize he can be his own guy,

826
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 1: and then he's having some success in Houston as well,

827
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: and he's been really one of the only guys that

828
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: has come out of that Bill Belichick coaching tree and

829
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: then has had some modicum of success that has been

830
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: a little bit sustained. So again, I think it's important

831
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: that we concentrate on the individual and how that individual

832
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: head coach can implement a program rather than saying no,

833
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: we gotta try to You're not it's not happening. Do

834
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: you like being yelled at? No, I don't do very well.

835
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 1: I can take criticism when it comes from a trustworthy

836
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 1: sort who I know has my best interest in mind. Um.

837
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: But I almost said our generation doesn't necessarily respond to

838
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: the yelling and the screaming. Um. But then I remember

839
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: that the players in the NFL currently, maybe Tom Brady aside,

840
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: are not our generation. But I in a lot of

841
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: other sports that I cover and other other leagues that

842
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 1: I've been a part of, I've found more and more

843
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: the leaders who can relate two players personally and convey

844
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: a trust that they have their best interests in mind,

845
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: tend to communicate their philosophies and get more out of

846
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: those players athletically. Yeah, and it's all and it's me.

847
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: It's all about can you do that in your way?

848
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: Are you your own guy? And can you do that

849
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: in your way that is not necessarily you imitating somebody else,

850
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: because players can also always determine authenticity and how genuine

851
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: you are, So if you're trying to be somebody else,

852
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: they're going to figure that out. You have to develop

853
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: your own philosophy. And it can be bait. You can

854
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 1: pull different parts from different people, but at the end

855
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: of the day, you gotta be your own guy. And

856
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: I think from what we see, you know, everybody says,

857
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, you know, this reminds me of a

858
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: young John Bruden, right, But I think there's still going

859
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 1: to be things that are going to be uniquely sewn

860
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 1: Veay and hopefully they're very positive and they come out

861
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 1: into wins for the Rams franchise. I think that's well said, excellent.

862
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: So let's talk a little bit about the Super Bowl,

863
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: because it was one of the most unbelievable games that

864
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: I've ever seen in my life. I mean, when Tom

865
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: Brady throws a pick six and it turns to twenty

866
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: one nothing, I mean I remember the graphic coming up

867
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: on the Fox. Mean, it was like no team has

868
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: ever won a Super Bowl after being down fourteen. So

869
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: that's let alone twenty one. And so you know, you

870
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: ever see the old Dave Chappelle's skit where it's like

871
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: Prince and then like they're playing basketball and this is

872
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: game classes. Like I turned to the people I was

873
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: watching the Super Bowl with and once that pick six happened,

874
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: I was like game glasses, especially because it was Tom

875
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: like going to try and make the tack. One was like, okay,

876
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,280
Speaker 1: maybe that right, there is the end. Yeah, well it's funny.

877
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: I mean, do you see this the early edition of

878
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: the Globe that got sent to Florida where it was,

879
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: you know, they had this picture and it said, yeah,

880
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: it said a bitter end, and it's the picture of

881
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: Tom Brady like as yeah, that's unbelievable. Yeah, because of

882
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: course that on one end, and then Tom taping a

883
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,959
Speaker 1: commercial pre Super Bowl where he's already got the fifth

884
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: ring in his pocket. Yeah, it's pretty great. It's pretty

885
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: funny that the fact that you know, you get the

886
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: comeback from Brady from Belichick, I mean, it cements them

887
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: as the greatest ever, doesn't it? In my mind, it does,

888
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: And especially Tom because you know, his Hall of Fame career,

889
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 1: I don't think has been surrounded by as many Hall

890
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: of Fame offensive pieces, especially at the skill positions as

891
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: maybe some others, Like I grew up kind of in

892
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: the in the Joe Montana era, and you know, whether

893
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: it's Jerry Rice or John Taylor, Roger Craig, I mean,

894
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: there are there are a lot of incredible pieces that

895
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: are part of those Super Bowl runs. Take Gronk out

896
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: of it. Gronk I think will be one of, if

897
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: not the best tight ends ever to play with when

898
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: all of a sudden done. But he didn't have Gronk

899
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: for the first phase of their reign and Randy Moss

900
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: for for one little cup of cup of carte there

901
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: and blame me. He was helpful, but he wasn't. They

902
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,720
Speaker 1: didn't win the Super Bowl and oh seven with Randy Moss,

903
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: even as great as that season was, they did not

904
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,919
Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl then, So I think the cast

905
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: of characters that they have been able to succeed with,

906
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 1: you know, even to the extent of Tom needing to

907
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: or choosing to throw touchdowns to Mike Rabel Yeah, in

908
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: super Bowl moments. To me, you know, it's it's almost

909
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: like the Coach of the Year tends to go to

910
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,760
Speaker 1: the coach who did the most with what we perceived

911
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,919
Speaker 1: to be the least. I'm not saying that Tom Brady

912
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 1: and Patriots have done the most with the least, but

913
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: I think offensively, there's a case to be made that

914
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,240
Speaker 1: among the all time greats, he has done the most

915
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: in terms of statistics and wins and rings. Yeah, with

916
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: an offensive cast of characters that maybe is not Hall

917
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: of Fame caliber, well especially I mean I remember saying

918
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 1: this to DeMarco after the Rams played the Patriots and

919
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: they didn't have Gronk, and I remember thinking, man, it's

920
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: going to be really interesting to see how they do

921
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: offensively down the stretch of the year because they don't

922
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 1: have gronk casting. And it obviously changed their offense a lot, because,

923
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: I mean almost three and a half quarters they look

924
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: really lost on offense, really lost. I mean, you rarely

925
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: see Tom Brady throw a pass into coverage like he

926
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: did that ended up with the pick six, and you know,

927
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: for them to make the adjustments to keep coming at

928
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: it and then get the touchdown two point and you

929
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: know the touchdown, you get another two point, Like that's

930
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: really Some coaches would say that's four scores. That's that's really, really,

931
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: really hard to do. And so for them to do that, man,

932
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: that's that's really special. A few of the Super Bowl

933
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: thoughts that I want to run past you and interrupt

934
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 1: me whenever you want to jump in and take one individual.

935
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,240
Speaker 1: Julio Jones may be the best catch in Super Bowl history.

936
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 1: I know you, David Tyree is right there. That's one

937
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 1: of the most incredible catches I've ever seen. That role

938
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: forever be lost in the shuffle of that comeback. Yes, Um,

939
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 1: dan Quinn should have two Super Bowl rings. He has zero,

940
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:54,919
Speaker 1: and while this one, you know, it is certainly under

941
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 1: his purview as now a head coach, you could argue

942
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: that both of them, both rings were compromised by offensive

943
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: coordinator's judgment in the key moment, whether it's it's Seattle

944
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 1: or this year. And then, lastly, just beyond the Super Bowl,

945
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: how about the run of recent major championships we've been

946
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: treated to, going back to March Madness of last year. Yeah, um,

947
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: and Villanova and then the Calves from down three one

948
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: against the Warriors. You won't be as happy about this one,

949
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: But then the Cubs from from down three one. Cubs,

950
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,479
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, here's the thing, and this one never,

951
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: this has not gotten brought up as much because I

952
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: think at least you know, that game went to extra

953
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: innings and it was one of the great Game sevens

954
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: of World Series history. So for some reason people don't

955
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: bring it up as much, which I'm totally cool with.

956
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: And then the college football Champe Yeah, which you know,

957
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 1: not just the game winning touchdown with one second left,

958
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: but Clemson was down multiple scores going into that fourth

959
00:47:55,719 --> 00:48:00,240
Speaker 1: quarter as well. So all these really major sports moments

960
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: within the last twelve months that were either unprecedented comebacks

961
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 1: and or last second miracle finishes, I can confidently say

962
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: we will never have a run of this kind of

963
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: around the calendar where every single one you could make

964
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: the case was one of, if not the best, we've

965
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 1: ever seen. I agree. And so what okay with this?

966
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:26,240
Speaker 1: Was this about Atlanta's failures? Yes? Or New England's triumph? Yes,

967
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: I agree, totally agree, because you can't have one without

968
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: the other. No, Unfortunately, I mean, if you know, Atlanta

969
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: runs the ball and then they kick the field goal

970
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: and then they go up. However many they go up,

971
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: the game's probably over. And while I do get what

972
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: Atlanta was doing, you know, you do you know, while

973
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: they said dance with the gall that brought you, you know,

974
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: they're being aggressive. They're sticking with that offensive philosophy to

975
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: pass in the situation where they pass. But once you

976
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: do that, you open yourself up to a hold. And

977
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: it was a pretty clear hold. Once they saw it.

978
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: I mean, Jake Matthews got is you know? Arm Yes,

979
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 1: we all the way around Chris Long. So even if

980
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: the coaches are ultimately responsible for the decisions, I hold

981
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 1: the players equally accountable for the execution, and not just

982
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: the hold on the left side, but how about the

983
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: miss blitz pick up one on the right side. So,

984
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: um boy, there's gonna be a lot to chew on there.

985
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: They've already made some changes, you know. Shanahan obviously off

986
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 1: to join us in the NFC West. I like the

987
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: timing of art respective coaching hires and the rivalry with

988
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: San Francisco. There's there's an exciting new era of Niners

989
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: Rams coming. I think so too. So one last parting

990
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: shot before we leave the people here on between the horns.

991
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 1: How was your vacation? What did you do? And and

992
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: why did we miss you? Um? Why did you miss me?

993
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 1: Nobody actually miss we missed? Very nice. What was the

994
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: vacation reason for why I was with Danny Doon Rams report?

995
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: Oh no, I mean it's just been a long time

996
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: since I had some time off, So that was cool.

997
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 1: Now it was good. I went back to Cleveland. U

998
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 1: saw some snow, which was fun for me. I don't

999
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: mind that. The thing I did like though about that.

1000
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: So I guess it was Monday. I mean, really big

1001
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: snowstorm happened in Cleveland. It was six to eight inches.

1002
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 1: So school's off, so that means like when school's off

1003
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: in Cleveland, that means there was a really good amount

1004
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: of snow. So my mom has a plow guy that's

1005
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 1: supposed to come do the driveway and all that. So

1006
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: I've been out the night before, come home and I

1007
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 1: see that the plow guys come through. I was like, great,

1008
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 1: this is fantastic. So they do it, you know once

1009
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: at you know, before you know, two am or whatnot.

1010
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: Then they're supposed to come again. Dude doesn't come again

1011
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: in the morning. So you know, my mom's got a

1012
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 1: compact car Jetta. She's trying to drive it out of

1013
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: the driveway. She gets stuck, so I have to come

1014
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: down and help shovel her out of the driveway. May me,

1015
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 1: who has now been in California for almost a year,

1016
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: I still have my you know, snow boots though there

1017
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 1: are still in my mom's house. You Aaron Rodgers, Yeah,

1018
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: I'm not supposed to, but it did have to happen.

1019
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: Thank you, Like thirty minutes or so. It was like

1020
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 1: good workout. Well, it was a good workout. Yeah, but

1021
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 1: I mean but you know, she's like halfway there through

1022
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 1: the driveway and she's like, man, I just did not

1023
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: think that there was as much snow out there. So

1024
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: whoever this plow guy is, you know, you got you

1025
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: got some warp to do. You gotta make up for

1026
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: that somehow, because I should not be out there shovel

1027
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: and snow. That's what the money is for, is don

1028
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: Draper once said, yeah, a little closer to home, trust me,

1029
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: it does not rain this much every winter. Yeah, southern California.

1030
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: You know, it's been funny because you know, everything is

1031
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 1: very green. I don't know, maybe we are close. It's

1032
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: been very good. You know, everybody's saying, you know, all

1033
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: the reservoirs have been back up. It's been nice to

1034
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: see the lush green hills of Calabasas now on my

1035
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: drive looks like Ireland, not Calabasas. So that's all good.

1036
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: But um, I think that'll be that'll be enough for today,

1037
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 1: hanj B. I think so if anyone's still listening, all

1038
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 1: join you next time. I know, exactly well. Guys, thank

1039
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: you so much for tuning into this edition of Between

1040
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,720
Speaker 1: the Horns. We will have more coverage while the coaching

1041
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: staff changes on the RAMS dot com, where he may

1042
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: be in football. We will see you next time.