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Um and if you 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:23.519 don't check the names of the episodes before you start 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:25.880 listening to them, now I get to tell you we're 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:28.440 going to talk about the disappearance of Brian Schaeffer today. 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:32.320 Brian Shaffer, who's that. He's a guy who disappeared weirdly, 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:35.600 really like out of a bar or something. This I 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:38.200 know is a pet case for a lot of people 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:42.440 in general. So here's my typical. We're probably going to 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:45.320 leave some of your favorite details out because there's a 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:50.240 lot of risks disclaimer exactly, But we don't really need 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:55.160 a little ears disclaimer, which is great. This is a yeah, 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:58.760 it's just it's really weird. I would say endless speculation, 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:00.639 I have to say to on the interne Oh yeah, 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:02.720 tons of it. It's kind of I would say it's 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:07.040 akin almost to the mar Murray case. And that realistically 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:10.840 is first. As far as confirmed details that we absolutely 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:14.960 positively know, there's not that much. There four pages of 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:19.280 details and about seventy million pages of conjecture, yeah exactly. 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:21.760 I don't think even four pages of details. Yeah, I 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:28.000 think including the videotapes yea. Yeah. But basically, the overview 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:29.799 of this case is a guy walks into a bar 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:32.920 and disappears forever. That is the worst joke ever. Yea 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:36.680 guy walks into a bar. Bartender says, what is this 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:42.200 a joke? Okay, So let's start at the top. Brian 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:45.680 Schaefer was twenty seven when he disappeared, and he was 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:49.560 a medical student at the University of Ohio. It was 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:52.520 his second year and he had two more years until 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:54.720 he would become a doctor, So he was halfway through, 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:57.600 two more years until he starts the suffering process of 0:03:57.640 --> 0:04:01.320 being a resident and everything else well tech nically, yeah, true, 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:05.640 but two more years, two more years of medical school. Yeah. Yeah, 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:08.000 he had been in school the entire time. He did 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:10.840 the high school, the undergrad and microbiology and then onto 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:13.280 the grad program he was in. It wasn't one of 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:15.720 those guys who took a break at some point. Yeah, 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:17.839 and it took him a little longer to do his 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:22.640 undergrad than four years, six years, which is okay, especially 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:27.240 something like microbiologists. As long as it didn't stop from 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:30.320 getting into med school, then no biggie. Yeah. By all accounts, 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:33.719 he was a very smart, very nice guy. He was 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:38.160 apparently a talented musician as well, often maybe joking but 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:41.560 kind of seriously not joking. You know the joke where 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:44.720 people you know reveal their deepest, darkest wishes by quote 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:52.960 unquote joking around about it. Favorite podcast, Yeah, yeah, it 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:55.680 does not anyway. His his go to joke was that 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:58.599 the doctor thing was just until his musical career took off. 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:02.320 S actually plan a second career just in case that 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:06.000 didn't happen. It's very true because he wanted to be 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:08.920 Jimmy Buffett. Yeah, and there's already one Jimmy Buffett. He 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:11.159 would have to murder the other Jimmy Buffett. Well, and 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:13.640 he was really into pearl Jam. Well, you want to actually, 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:15.640 you want to actually hear a funny, weird bit of 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:19.440 factoried about Jimmy Buffett. Okay, okay, so you know there's 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:24.000 the whole Margaritaville lifestyle that Jimmy Buffett has been selling 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:28.200 for years. He doesn't live that lifestyle. It was from 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:31.640 the very beginning he said, I'm going to sell people 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:34.880 this lifestyle and they have been paying him for it 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:38.080 for decades. Yeah, but how does he actually live? Is 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:40.800 he like a non drinking guy. He lives in New Jersey. 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:43.919 He's just your he's your normal runabout guy who doesn't 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:47.240 drink much. He's not into the beach lifestyle. And he's like, no, 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:50.760 I sing music and people buy my stuff and I 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:53.159 live well off of it. Yeah, now it makes sense. 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:56.760 Smart guy is a smart business man. Yeah, so Brian 0:05:56.880 --> 0:06:00.359 Schaefer back to our topic. Yes, like I said, he 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:02.080 was also into pearl Jam. He had a pearl Jam 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:07.640 tattoo on him like the stickman or whatever. Yeah, given 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:09.880 the peace sign or something like that, or big Hug 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:12.679 or something. He had a good relationship with his family, 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:16.680 which was his mother Renee, his father Randy, and his 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:21.040 younger brother Derek. Unfortunately, Renee lost a long battle with 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:26.960 a particularly bad type of cancer called it's it's bone cancer. 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:33.680 It's it's bone marrow cancer, my yellow plastic syndrome. So 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:35.680 it's that kind of something that's kind of similar to 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:42.400 what you call it. That's it. Yeah, the word balacting 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:44.920 on the tip of my fulcon with my brain. Yeah. Now, 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:47.560 but it's it's like a bone marrow thing it is. Yeah, 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:53.960 So basically the formation of blood, yeah, exactly. And so 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:56.400 it was a long, kind of painful battle for her. 0:06:56.520 --> 0:07:00.080 She she did unfortunately lose that battle in March of 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:04.360 two thousand six. Her passing was hard on the whole family. Um. 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:07.520 But those close to Brian said that he was taking it. 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:09.840 He at least outwardly, was taking it really well, but 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:12.040 they suspected that he was not taking it as well 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:15.560 as it seemed like, Yeah, you know, I gotta tell 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:17.120 you that I haven't met to a couple of those 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:20.680 long lingering all those things myself with my parents that 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:23.640 by the time it's all over, you know, you've actually 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:25.440 done a lot of your all the grief is really 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:28.720 kind of behind you already, so you're kind of just 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:31.400 ready to start living your life again exactly. Yeah, but 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:35.400 also you know, missing your parents. No, it still sucks, 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:37.280 but I mean it's still it's not a it's not 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:39.280 a real shock to the system like that they suddenly 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:43.360 get killed in a rec Yeah, and you've had your 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:46.800 time to say goodbye and all that stuff. At Ohio 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:51.760 State University in two thousand six, spring break started on 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:57.440 marcht one, Friday that year. Every year usually springbreak starts 0:07:57.600 --> 0:07:59.960 on Friday, except that one year where it was really 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:04.680 a lame and it started on Wednesday. Yeah. Ever, I 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:06.600 feel like they'd be kind of nice, but I'd have 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:08.120 to go all the way to the next Friday. It 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:14.960 would be lame if it was literally, Oh got it okay, anyway, sorry, 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:18.080 back to our case. Um, it started on Friday, the 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:21.360 March one, which of two thousand and six, which is 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:25.160 which is April Fool's Eve, but also the same month 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:28.320 that Renee Brian's mom had passed away. We don't I 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:32.920 don't have a date necessarily for that. I was three 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:38.160 weeks before, yeah, right, But I don't have like a 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:43.200 specific date, which is fine, I think. But recently Brian 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:47.040 had planned to go to Florida, Miami, specifically with his 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:49.840 girlfriend Alexis for the bulk of spring break, where he 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:52.880 was reportedly planning to propose to her. Are we going 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:55.600 to talk about that part later on? I assume what 0:08:55.720 --> 0:09:00.160 Florida know the whole proposed, planned to propose? Bit um? 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:04.000 What about it? Well, so I see this everywhere and 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:08.079 it really sticks in my crop because she's the one 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:11.480 who seems to say it. I mean, was a ring 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:15.800 ever found in his stuff? Like his brother is the 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:17.720 one who brought it up first. Okay, but was a 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:21.240 ring ever found among his possessions? I don't want to know. 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:23.760 I have heard not that he had not bought a ring, 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:28.000 which makes that doesn't think? I mean, I'll just say, yes, okay, 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:30.040 traditionally he would have a ring and blah blah blah. 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:33.880 But I'm bothered by that bubble gum machine and get 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:38.199 the plastic toy ring. But a planning ahead, it should 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:42.960 have been somewhere maybe yeah, or maybe he was going 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:44.839 to do it without a ring, which is also fine 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:47.800 because from what I have heard or talked to a 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:50.920 number of people, I know they say, I don't want 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:52.360 to buy a ring because I know she's going to 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:55.240 want to help pick it out. So he says, Okay, 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:56.920 we'll go pick out a ring. I'm gonna buy it 0:09:56.960 --> 0:09:58.760 for you. You'll have the perfect ring. And I don't 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:01.920 trust myself, blah blah blah. What don't you get yeah? 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:04.520 Or you know, just no heir fiance well enough, or 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:06.800 maybe had it all planned out to wander into a 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:09.760 jewelry store in Florida and then just like say you 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:11.719 like that, right, okay, I'll buy it. Then you get 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:17.280 on your knees and say and then she says no, yeah, 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:21.000 or you don't even buy it yet, you buy ideal. Yeah, 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:23.320 but then that next to the rest of the vacation. 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:25.319 A little bit uncomfortable, of course, but at least you 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:28.160 saved a lot of bucks, but not buying the jewelry. Yeah, well, 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:32.000 so regardless of the ring. Oh yeah, that's okay. I 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:35.480 I hear what you're saying. Um, But the first time 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:38.719 I thought said was from his brother, and it's my 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:40.840 understanding that he had talked a little bit about it 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:42.840 when he was out to dinner with his father on 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:45.760 the thirty first as well. But yes, I agree, And 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:47.640 also it was a little weird to me because they've 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:53.320 only been together for a year. But the ring that 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:57.960 bothers you, Okay, sure, no evidence of the actual intention 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:01.000 to make it not well one bothers me at all. 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:02.760 I guess yeah, I was gonna say either way, it 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:04.720 doesn't really matter because they had planned to go to 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:07.560 Miami for a week together. They were in a serious, 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:10.560 committed relationship to each other. That's really all I guess 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:14.920 we really need to know about it. Anyhow, Brian's father, Randy, 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:18.760 came into town to visit and celebrate springbreak with Brian. 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:22.120 Is always how you will see it reported that they 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:25.160 were there to celebrate spring break. I really think Randy 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:28.680 was just thinking, you know what, my wife just died. Um, 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:31.360 I really care about my son, and I you know, 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:35.200 care about both of my children, and I just, you know, 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:37.559 I want to see him and this is a great excuse, 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:39.920 and maybe he wanted to see how he was doing. Yeah, 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:43.000 see how he's doing, spend some quality time with him. 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:46.079 Knowing he was going to leave for a whole week, 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:49.160 you know, just a couple of weeks after his wife 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:52.120 and and Brian's mom had passed away, you know, just 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:54.280 kind of yeah, I think it's a check. It's a 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:57.080 check and also just a you know, nice time to 0:11:57.160 --> 0:11:59.880 see him. So they went out to dinner that night 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:03.840 or that evening, I guess, to a steakhouse. It's not 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:05.440 really clear what time it was, but I do think 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:08.760 it was like evening time, like you know, five six o'clock. 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:13.480 And Randy said that it seems like Brian was tired. 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:17.600 That to you, yeah, it sounded like he had been 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:20.280 pulling a lot of all nighters for exams that were 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:23.520 coming up. I could never do that. That's not a 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:26.080 great idea. I was really good at the all nighters. 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:28.360 It was the staying then staying up for the exam 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:33.280 the next day and actually being able to actually think 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:35.480 cohera during the exam that was kind of tough. And 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:37.360 here's the pro tip for all of you listeners who 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:41.080 are still in school. It actually is like scientifically proven 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:44.160 better for you to sleep because your brain will actually 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:47.600 retain the information. So go to sleep, stop listening to us, 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:50.319 go to sleep, wake up for your finals tomorrow. You're 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:52.319 going to be fine. I had a cool hall listenation 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:54.360 and final exam one time from pulling an all night. 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:56.720 I was going to say, we can talk about that later. 0:12:56.840 --> 0:13:01.040 We'll talk about that, yeah. Um. Randy said interviews after 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:04.360 Brian disappeared that he remembered feeling like he didn't think 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:06.320 Brian should go out with his friends as he had 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:09.280 planned later that night, because he seems so tired. But 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:11.720 he didn't say anything because you know, Brian's an adult, 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:14.080 which I think is fair. But you know, when you 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:16.280 get out there to the bar, you know, loud music 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:18.360 and the booze is a big energizer for me. I 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:21.760 don't know about you guys. Yeah, yeah, yes, it's an 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:25.160 energy at the beginning. And you know usually at that age, 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:30.240 at that age three years ago, you have some coffee 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:32.240 or you know, an energy drink or something like that. 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:35.000 Sometimes to help you out alone, it's probably drinking red 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:38.800 Bulls or something. So Brian goes out. The main friend 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:43.800 that he's with is named William Florence, but this guy's 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:45.920 nickname is Clint, so we're going to call him Clint. 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:52.280 Brian met Clint at the Ugly Tuna Saluna. I'm gonna 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:57.199 call it that everything the full name every single time. Yeah, 0:13:57.240 --> 0:14:01.680 I think. I think it's tuna phobic. I don't um. 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:04.720 They met at nine pm that night and then started 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:08.959 bar hopping down kind of a main drag streets a town, right. 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:12.880 Clint says that at each bar they took a shot, 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:16.559 then moved on. At about ten pm, Alexis says Brian 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:19.880 called her because she was visiting her family about a 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:24.320 couple hours away before, which is like a two and 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:27.920 a half hour drive from Columbus where they were, or 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:32.560 like outside of where wherever UM or Ohio State University is. 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:34.520 I think actually in the beginning of this, I said 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:39.800 it was University of Idaha or of Ohio that in 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:42.920 the southland here, man, it's good. Um anyways, it was 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:47.120 actually os U, so sorry for that earlier. Anyway. Alexis 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:49.760 says that about ten PM, Brian called her because she, 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:52.480 like we said, she was visiting her family. Um, just 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:56.080 to say that he loved her and you know, he 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:58.440 was out and you know he would see her. It 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:00.520 was like an hour into the night, I think, is 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:02.600 where I've seen it. So he must have started drinking 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:05.200 around nine o'clock. They were, Yeah, they do they have 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:08.040 that time stamp? Clint said they met at nine pm 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:10.760 and then they started bar hopping, and you know, I 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:13.360 suspect she was probably thinking like, I'm gonna go to 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:15.880 bed soon, and he called her to say good night, 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:17.280 and he loved her and he was going to be 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:27.000 out after a drink or two. Your loving Yeah, I'm 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:29.320 figuring he probably had about twelve shots under his belt 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:31.800 by this time. That was a whole hour. I don't 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:37.480 think probably, But anyway, an unspecified time after midnight. I 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:40.880 think it's close after midnight, but it is never actually specified. 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:44.280 Clinton Brian run into one of Clint's friends named Meredith Reid, 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:47.280 who then gave them a ride back to the Ugly 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:52.560 Tuna Saluna. Meredith is a guy, correct, I believe, because 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:54.600 I mean Meredith is one of those names that can 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:58.080 be a male or female. And I'm pretty sure it 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:01.760 was a guy and not a girl, but a girl. 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:04.640 I initially I was like, oh, it must be a lady, 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:07.200 but then a bunch of stuff that I read gave 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:09.880 me the impression that it was all the guys going 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:13.360 to the last bar. This is very odd. Here's what 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:15.960 I'll tell you is I watched the crap out of 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:20.320 the surveillance well, and I can't Well, the surveillance tapes 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:23.000 are really good, but Brian is standing in front of 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:27.480 Meredith and walking, and so you can't actually tell. So 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:31.720 I think, well, I don't know, Stid that they are 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:35.920 standing on the step below Brian. And Brian was six too, 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:38.880 so I don't know, not taller than six two plus 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:43.040 five inches. Um so I'm not sure. I'm not sure. 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:48.000 I believe it's a guy. But again that's positive because 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:50.560 there's so much weird reporting on this one. Yeah. And 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:52.200 that's the other thing is I've never seen it. I 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:54.560 don't think i've ever seen it. Specified I'm like racking 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:57.760 my brain. Um so, I'm really sorry everyone. I'm going 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:01.880 to admit there's a lack in my research. Sorry. Yeah, 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:04.840 but I actually think it it's probably is a female 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:07.439 type person, just simply because I have I have an 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:09.960 eye for this sort of thing. Like if if, like say, 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:12.840 on the Wikipedia page, Meredith would have been referred to 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:15.119 at some point as him or he or something like that. 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:23.159 Never page problem. It's either either read as in the 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:28.800 last name or they as in the he or that person. 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:33.200 And Clint's it's always very gender non specific is what's 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:35.800 bungling all of us. We're gonna we're gonna make Meredith 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:37.760 into a girl here. I think I think we're just 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:40.640 gonna just call Meredith and Clint. We're gonna let Meredith 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:46.400 stay gender non specifically. Meredith likes it anyway. Meredith gave 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:49.960 them a ride back to the Ugly Tuna Saluna, where 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:52.800 they all planned to end their night then go home. 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:57.600 Brian reportedly got separated from Meredith and Clint at this spot. 0:17:57.640 --> 0:18:03.239 The bar closes at two ammal, which is normal, so 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:06.840 Clinton Mereth figured they'd wait outside the only exit from 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:09.960 the bar and they'd fight Brian in the crowd exiting. 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:12.880 When they didn't see him, they assumed that when they've 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:15.240 been separated from the bar, Brian had just left without 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:19.080 telling them, you know, he couldn't find them or whatever. Um. 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:21.880 The next morning, Alexis tried calling Brian but couldn't get 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:25.800 ahold of him. His phone went girlfriend Alexis his girlfriend, 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:28.879 She said his phone went straight to voicemail. She just 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:30.959 assumed he was, you know, sleeping it off, and so 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:34.480 she tried it again later Finally on Sunday, when she 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:36.400 still couldn't get ahold of him, his phone was still 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:40.639 going straight to voicemail. She called Randy, Brian's father to 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:43.520 see if he had heard from her him, and he hadn't, 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:47.720 so they then called the police. Reporting varies on this, 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:53.000 According to Alexis. On some news news reports that I watched, 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:58.600 they reported Brian missing Sunday. Wikipedia says that Brian was 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:01.400 reported missing on Monday. He missed the flight to Miami. 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:05.439 I don't know which is true. I would tend to 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:08.600 believe Sunday. It was at least there too, but it 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:10.520 was a couple of days, at least a couple of days. 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:13.920 Friday night was the night that And this is something 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:16.720 as it's not outrageous, but I think it's a little 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:19.919 odd that Clinton didn't call him the next morning and 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:21.639 just say, hey, what the hell did where were you? 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:24.760 Just just to see that he's all right. Well we 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:27.159 don't I don't know that he didn't. Clinton is like 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:31.560 after that night Clintons appeared. Yeah, he won't say anything, 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:35.680 I think, trying to protect himself from the court mass 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:38.639 negative appeal that. Yeah, it doesn't necessarily mean he's guilty 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:42.679 of anything. Yeah, either way, Columbus police did get the 0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:46.760 missing person's report, and they acted and totally reasonably. First 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:50.640 they checked with local hospitals and homeless shelters to make 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:53.040 sure he hadn't shown up any of those places, like 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:55.320 you would expect them too. That would be, you know, 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:57.560 the first place you would expect them to check, because 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:01.080 did you Well, I mean, people don't understand why the 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:03.639 cops do that, because if somebody gets let's say, whacked 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:06.359 on the head and gets a concussion, they can be 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:09.480 in a weird state. Remember that, there's that for us 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:12.159 in real time. The report of the guy who was 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:15.880 on the East Coast when skiing apparently took a tumble 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:18.480 and they found him a week later in California in 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:21.080 the same clothes, with no memory of how he got there. 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:24.040 I mean, that's why. But people are like, why they 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:27.680 check those places? That's why. Well, the hospital just because 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:29.679 I mean, you could be unconscious in a hospital, but 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:32.639 a homeless shelter, you know, anywhere that somebody could be 0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:35.520 warm and get services, pretty much they're going to check 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:39.040 because for whatever reason, that's where they're going to go 0:20:40.040 --> 0:20:43.360 from there. Well, so obviously Brian was not found either 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:46.160 of those or any of those places. So then from 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:50.199 there the investigators starting put together a timeline, basically the 0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:52.880 timeline we just talked about in a minute ago of 0:20:53.160 --> 0:20:56.920 what what Brian had been doing. The only additional detail 0:20:57.040 --> 0:20:59.600 that Clinton Meredith were able to provide is that they 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:02.320 thought they had seen Brian chatting with the band. And 0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:05.159 I thought that I read in one place again you 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:07.320 read and all all kinds of different accounts, But he 0:21:07.359 --> 0:21:09.920 had said to them, Hey, I'm going to go talk 0:21:09.960 --> 0:21:12.040 to the band, you know, And that's the last word 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:13.639 they heard from him, as he said he was actually 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:15.840 going to go chat with ye. I don't know how much. 0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:18.600 Being a musician, I'm not surprised. I heard that they were. 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:21.240 This was late and they had actually stopped playing and 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:23.679 they were starting to break down, and so maybe he 0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:25.440 just wanted to go talking about guitars for a little 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:27.960 bit or whatever. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know 0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:31.160 if they if you know, Brian said that to them, 0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:34.760 or they just saw him over there or what. But um, 0:21:34.800 --> 0:21:37.360 it does seem that Brian was chatting with the band 0:21:37.400 --> 0:21:40.479 at least at one point. When interviewed, the staff at 0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:44.960 the Ugly Tuna Salona were totally unable or unwilling to 0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:49.520 provide any helpful information, though it seems they were reasonably cooperative. 0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:51.760 It was a bar full of people. How are you 0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:55.800 going to on the first night of spring break? Yeah, 0:21:55.920 --> 0:21:57.800 I had the same thought when I saw this, the 0:21:57.800 --> 0:22:01.680 footage with the security guys, like the security guards, billion 0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:05.760 people come screaming through. Yeah, and realistically, like it's Brian 0:22:05.880 --> 0:22:11.240 isn't insanely He's not. He's not really unique looking? Yeah, 0:22:16.440 --> 0:22:19.679 yeah six to you know, reasonably built, white dude with 0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:23.520 brown hair. I mean, unless you're paying attention, like really 0:22:23.520 --> 0:22:27.200 paying attention and looking for him, Yeah, he's kind of Actually, 0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:28.959 I don't look at Brian and you think that's not 0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:31.159 really he's really all American, like he has the all 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:33.560 American boy. But here's what I'll say is that in 0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:37.639 Ohio there's a lot of all American. Yeah. Yeah. The 0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:41.640 police started searching the area around the Ugly Tuna Salona. 0:22:42.080 --> 0:22:45.080