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Speaker 1: twenty three NFL Combine on Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Drive. I I'm Dale Lallon. He is Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 1: moving on up. Yeah, it's awesome. I mean, I'm really

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Speaker 1: We haven't even seen testing and all that kind of

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Speaker 1: the guys is I was walking box says, hey, are

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Speaker 1: you Dale Lali? Really? He said, I listened to you

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Speaker 1: listened to the drive, good stuff. Absolutely, I didn't get

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Speaker 1: If you're in the NFL, this is where you're at

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Speaker 1: this week, no doubt, unless you're Sean McVeigh. I guess

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Speaker 1: that's what I don't quite understand. What it's so important

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Speaker 1: The medical stuff's all going to take care of the offield,

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Speaker 1: you know, the on field stuff when they're running and

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Speaker 1: testing and all that stuff. That's all well and good.

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Speaker 1: I want to I want the fifteen minutes of interview

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Speaker 1: but it's such a matchup problem for opposing offense as

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Speaker 1: be nice to stagger that a little bit? Of course,

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Speaker 1: That's all week long SNR at the scouting combine. He

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Speaker 1: is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lally, and well, this

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Speaker 1: is what we do. Yeah, all the time. We talk

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Speaker 1: NFL all the time, and Matt, we were talking about

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Speaker 1: some positions here yea of perhaps a need for the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: One thing I did, I wanted to talk a little

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Speaker 1: bit about what Omar Khan had to say earlier today.

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Speaker 1: He mentioned that he was asked, as gems all across

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Speaker 1: the league are about what's what's the strength of this draft?

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Speaker 1: And he said, you know, I think all the positions

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Speaker 1: are reasonably deep in this one. You know, if you're

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Speaker 1: you go into this draft with a need where I

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Speaker 1: want you can fill it in this draft, because I do.

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Speaker 1: I do believe there's good depth in this draft. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I do too. I don't think it's a particularly top

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Speaker 1: heavy draft. You know, like the stars aren't as many.

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Speaker 1: Man you can go one hundred and forty picks deep

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Speaker 1: with guys that are like I'll take that guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know you're seeing there's some covid ramifications too. All

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Speaker 1: these guys went to back to school for an extra year,

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Speaker 1: so you get more of a crop. There's different ages

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Speaker 1: coming out. There's the guys that only did a couple

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Speaker 1: of years and are you know, twenty and then there's

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Speaker 1: some dudes that are twenty five, you know, so there

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Speaker 1: is a little bit more variety that way. I do

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Speaker 1: think depth there's a whole is pretty good. Um makes

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Speaker 1: me wish they had more mid round late round picks.

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Speaker 1: You know which he did? He wasn't asked Omar Kahn

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Speaker 1: after day one. Of course, the Steelers have the first

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Speaker 1: pick of round two, which will be you'll have a

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Speaker 1: full twenty four hour period there. You know, the phone's

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Speaker 1: gonna ring, he said, You expect the phone the ring list.

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Speaker 1: I expect to get multiple offers for that pick, no

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Speaker 1: matter how the first thirty one go. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: almost a foregone conclusion. And plus, if it's some of

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Speaker 1: it's just human nature. If any of us gets to

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Speaker 1: walk away from our draft think about it for almost

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Speaker 1: twenty four hours or whatever and be like, boy, I

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Speaker 1: can't believe that guy's there. That guy's we really we

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Speaker 1: almost took him at twenty four. Yeah, well now he's

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Speaker 1: still there at thirty two. Get get on the phone

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Speaker 1: with the sticks. Get aggressive. You know that we wanted

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Speaker 1: one of these two and we can end up with

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Speaker 1: both of them. Wow, that'd be great. Ye, so I

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Speaker 1: think that is a possibility. I've thrown out trading down

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Speaker 1: from seventeen too, you know. I mean, if Brec and

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Speaker 1: Branch are out there as well as two other dudes,

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Speaker 1: you'd be very happy with moved down to twenty, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean. I think those two picks yield

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Speaker 1: the most in terms of results without it, I mean,

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Speaker 1: but there again, that's that's the beauty of having those

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Speaker 1: two picks. You know, Omar compassessed. You know, if if

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Speaker 1: the if the trade with the the Bears could have

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Speaker 1: worked out any better, I don't know how it could have.

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Speaker 1: Well there the answers. No, I mean when you made

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Speaker 1: the deal, you didn't know that you're getting the first

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Speaker 1: pick in the round, right, Yeah, we're hoping you're. So

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Speaker 1: here's what every sins. When you're trading future picks, or

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Speaker 1: trading four future picks, you have to go on the

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Speaker 1: work on the assumption that that pick is going to

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Speaker 1: be in the middle, Like there's gonna be some variance there.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, you'd rather have the Texans pick than

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs, right, you know. But when you're when you're

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Speaker 1: looking at the pick, you have to look at it

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Speaker 1: and say, okay, would we take said, you know this

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Speaker 1: for the sixteenth pick in that round, right, especially if

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Speaker 1: you're doing the trade value charts and things like that.

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Speaker 1: If let's say they trade down from thirty two and

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Speaker 1: the future picks involved, well, the TMX is going to

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Speaker 1: give you their fourth rounder. Well, you pretty much equate

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Speaker 1: that the same as any other teams, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, Like, of course you're rather of the Texans

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Speaker 1: than the Chiefs. But oh and you look at it

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Speaker 1: like a mid round picks, especially when you're you know,

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Speaker 1: if you're doing something two or three years down the road,

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Speaker 1: you don't know what that pick is gonna be. No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I mean things you value them the same in terms

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Speaker 1: of numeric value, a pretty on price. And if you're

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Speaker 1: in a trade like that, yeah, yeah, but things things

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Speaker 1: turn around quickly in the NFL. No, but they got

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Speaker 1: some assets. I mean they've they've got the assets this year, uh,

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Speaker 1: to make some to make some splash. Makes you know

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Speaker 1: when you're when you're talking about maybe some quantity, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe maybe bring in five or six draft right. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He also, you know he said the Steelers right now

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Speaker 1: have seven picks, he said, I'd like to acquire seven

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Speaker 1: starters with those seven picks. I think that's the way

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Speaker 1: you have to look at it. And it's unrealistic. I

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Speaker 1: think the two sevens are going to bring start, you know,

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Speaker 1: but you know they're turn into seven starters. But you

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Speaker 1: know the Brett Keisels of the world who were seventh

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Speaker 1: round picks who turn into starters. So you know if

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Speaker 1: you could eventually do that. No, is that going to

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Speaker 1: happen all the time? No, on all those picks. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you get two or three starters out of any normal draft,

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Speaker 1: you're pretty happy with it. But my punch, and who knows,

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Speaker 1: I'm being a little optimistic, but I would be shocked

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Speaker 1: if they'd own it up with four. There's that. I

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Speaker 1: mean maybe day one, when you have four picks in

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Speaker 1: the top three rounds, right by the end of their

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Speaker 1: their rookie contracts, you probably should have four starters, yeah,

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Speaker 1: or four or five guys, maybe five because somebody else

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Speaker 1: hit behind them, right exactly exactly. If you have like

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Speaker 1: five guys you want to extend four years from now,

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Speaker 1: that'd be really really nice. Yeah, that means you had

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Speaker 1: a good, Chris. I mean, they're all superstars and Pro bowlers,

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Speaker 1: but you know they're valuable, that's the thing. So, um,

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Speaker 1: I mean you can take five Cam Sutton's. Yeah. This

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Speaker 1: is the time of year, though, we start to see

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Speaker 1: the re drafts and things of that nature from the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two draft and the gratings of the rookie

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Speaker 1: classes and all that stuff. Um, and you bring this

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Speaker 1: up all the time. Of course, the New York Jets

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Speaker 1: are going to be looked at as well. They had

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Speaker 1: they had the best draft last year. Well, yeah, they

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Speaker 1: had three first round draft picks. They better have had

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Speaker 1: the best draft last year. Yeah, I'm gonna win a

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Speaker 1: lot more poker with aces in my hand. And you're

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Speaker 1: sitting there, you know, you're you're the Rams and you

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Speaker 1: don't have a pick until one hundred and fifty. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a better draft than you. Yeah. It's

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Speaker 1: hard to bluff the heck out of here over and over.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not here to pick on the Ravens because

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Speaker 1: we're Steelers. But but they had tons of picks as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: didn't take a receiver. And I'm not saying linder Bomb's

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Speaker 1: bad or Hamilton's bad or I don't know if they

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Speaker 1: made any necessarily bad picks, but with their depth of

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Speaker 1: why of running of picks from that draft as well

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Speaker 1: as they had three or four third round picks, I

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Speaker 1: mean like their mid round picks, four high quality, they

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Speaker 1: had four, and they took like two tight ends and

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Speaker 1: a punter. Yeah, right right, And like good for the Jets.

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Speaker 1: I mean they have the defense rookie year, the offensive

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Speaker 1: rookie year, and Breece Hall could have been the offensive

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Speaker 1: rookie the year or two. And again they're all high picks.

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Speaker 1: But Baltimore should look at the Jets and be like,

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Speaker 1: our class should look more like that. Yeah, we kind

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Speaker 1: of screwed this up. Yeah yeah, I mean, and they

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Speaker 1: took some low value positions like centers and d tackles

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Speaker 1: and punters and tight ends and you know, but still

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Speaker 1: it's a little odd. Yeah. I'm just looking here. The

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Speaker 1: Football Siders put out their rankings here, and I'm not

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Speaker 1: seeing them on rookie rankings. They're rookie class rankings. Of course,

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Speaker 1: they had the Jets. I think the Steelers came in tenth.

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Speaker 1: They do it based on yeah, they do it based

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Speaker 1: on how much they played. Uh, you know what impact

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Speaker 1: the players made. Uh, And the Jets and Seattle gonna

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Speaker 1: really they're gonna be really high because they get a

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Speaker 1: lot of playing time out of those rookies. So when

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Speaker 1: ESPN did a similar thing, I think it was ESPN,

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Speaker 1: Yeah they did, and they looked at it. They had

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Speaker 1: the Ravens in the top ten, just ahead of the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: Football outsiders didn't see it that way. They had the

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Speaker 1: Ravens were like eighteenth or something like that, well much

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Speaker 1: lower the eleve in the room. We're not talking about though,

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Speaker 1: is I'm only certain that one team in the league

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Speaker 1: drafted a starting quarterbacks start going to call him a

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Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. He's I don't think he's not there yet,

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Speaker 1: but he's a starting quarterback. Is that more valuable than

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Speaker 1: the defensive and offensive rookie of the year rold into one? Maybe?

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Speaker 1: I think so, I mean starting quarterbacks. I think the

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Speaker 1: Jets would would trade the offensive rookie of the year.

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Speaker 1: They trade both those guys for Sauce and you know,

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Speaker 1: Breecee Hall or somebody, you know, four picket. Maybe maybe

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Speaker 1: maybe they don't have a quarterback. Not having a quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: terble Place to be, but it's kind of a big deal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I'm not seeing that on here anyways, but

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Speaker 1: that just struck me as I was looking at that.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, so it's interest because yeah, how much, not

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Speaker 1: just how you know if they play a lot, Because

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Speaker 1: if you're gonna back if you're on the Texans, yeah

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Speaker 1: you're rookie class played a lot, right, Right, It doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean they had a huge impact. I mean when the

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Speaker 1: Steelers were running that three four and they're drafting outside

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Speaker 1: linebackers in the third and fourth round that are first

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Speaker 1: round players, but they can't even get on the field

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Speaker 1: because they're stars ahead of them. But doesn't mean there's

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Speaker 1: a bad pick, right, you know what I mean. So

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Speaker 1: it's all situational too. So along those lines, if we

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Speaker 1: can agree that the Steelers draft was between the eighth

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Speaker 1: and twelfth best after a year, a year into this thing,

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Speaker 1: well the year before that they played a ton of

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Speaker 1: rookie snaps. Yeah. So and then we just talked last

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Speaker 1: segment about well they're gonna four premium picks maybe even more, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's a three year stretch that you might

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Speaker 1: look at a decade from now and be like, that's

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Speaker 1: when things. Yeah, yeah, that found the new, the new

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Speaker 1: post Roethlisberger wave, you know what I mean. Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: that's how that's how this goes, because you know, the

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Speaker 1: tough thing, the toughest thing to do in the NFL

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Speaker 1: is to maintain right excellence because the rules are set

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Speaker 1: up against you to do so. Sure, picking Laton around

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Speaker 1: and paying a quarterback and all those things free agencies

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Speaker 1: to hit you right, and then when you you know,

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Speaker 1: when you do have success, you got to pay those

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Speaker 1: guys because well I just helped you go to the

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Speaker 1: you know, the conference championship game. Pay me, pay me, right,

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Speaker 1: and then you went to Super Bowl when people overpay

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Speaker 1: your free agents and that type of thing. And with

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Speaker 1: all respect of the Rams, I mean they're they're built

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Speaker 1: a very different way than most teams, and they won

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Speaker 1: a Super Bowl, so great, but they also had a

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Speaker 1: three year run where they were by far the healthiest

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Speaker 1: team in the league. Yeah. Well this year that checked

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Speaker 1: and that check bounced, you know what I mean, Like

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Speaker 1: those things are out of your control. I mean, seriospect

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Speaker 1: t J Wat to go down and miss that the year.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's something that people seem to forget about.

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Speaker 1: The two and sixth start, and I know you shouldn't

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Speaker 1: be that reliant on player of the year though he's

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Speaker 1: the defensive player. Yeah, it's not like it's not like

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Speaker 1: you lost your starting safety and you know he's he's

635
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Speaker 1: just a guy or even don't like to do that

636
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: for that to happen, but you know it does happen.

637
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: And other teams had injuries too. You know, I made

638
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: you lose a guy that had twenty two and a

639
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: half sacks the year before. It's kind of a big deal.

640
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Speaker 1: I mean just we even saw it whenever he returned,

641
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: and he wasn't that player at that point. It really

642
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: I don't think he was anytime post injury this year,

643
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: but you still had the opponents had to pay attention

644
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: to go to say though, the way they prepared from

645
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: Monday to Friday, obviously they game planned around. Well, maybe

646
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: he isn't that player, but what if he is against that?

647
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: What if he comes out of this and ucks playing

648
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: on his back five times I watched him last year

649
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: in his whole career, I'm not just gonna treat him

650
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: like he's Joe Blow, you know what I mean. So

651
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: there's an impact there no matter what. And his you know,

652
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: their their stats with him without him are starkly different.

653
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: He's that good, you know. I mean, that's why you

654
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: pay him the way you pay you know. Uh so, yeah,

655
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: I think that is you know, he does have that

656
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: kind of impact. So not having that guy available, it

657
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: was it was really the first half of the season

658
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: was the perfect storm for the Steelers, or imperfect storm

659
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: as it were. Yeah, you lose what you're making a

660
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: transition a quarterback. Well, the whole offense was so young.

661
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: You're playing the toughest schedule in the league at that point,

662
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, if by chance, the offense were

663
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: constructed like the defense where you had the Haywards and Fits,

664
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Speaker 1: you know, those guys that were stalwarts, maybe you could

665
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: have overcome it, you know. I mean, but the offense

666
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: was all growing as a whole. You knew that was

667
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: going to be the growing pains, you know, like you'd

668
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:48,959
Speaker 1: almost rather lost Watt at the end of the year

669
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Speaker 1: than the beginning of the year because the offense could

670
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: giving you a little bit more leeway with the offense

671
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: to uh find its way. Yeah. Yeah, because again to

672
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: your point, you know, if if you don't the way

673
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: the offense was playing late in the year, possessing the

674
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: football moving you know, moving down its identity, you know, right,

675
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: and just pounding away. The defense didn't have to be

676
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: as dominant because it wasn't on the field as much, right,

677
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: which I think is really should make people really enthusiastic

678
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: about next year. Yeah. So if you can continue to

679
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: do that, Pickett takes a step forward, and I was

680
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: on with Les earlier and he said it really well,

681
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: you know, and we're talking without the offense. It's not

682
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: going to be a linear climb. It's not it's gonna

683
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: be one step forward, two steps forward. It's gonna be

684
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: three steps forward, five steps back, eight steps forward. You know.

685
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: But in the end, if it's still going forward, your

686
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: quarterbacks would have a massive ripple effect on the offense.

687
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: You're gonna throw for more touchdowns. Deonte's not gonna catch

688
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: zero touchdowns for the year. Yeah. And if if you

689
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: can create explosive plays to go with that foundation you're

690
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: building second half of the season, the offense should carry

691
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: its water. Yeah, you know. Uh, speaking of that offense,

692
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: that was another one of the things that Omar Khan

693
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: talked reference earlier. Today. He was asked about the situation

694
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: with Calvin Austin, said Calvin Austin on track to be

695
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: back and be ready for all the OTA's and mini

696
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: camps and all those goods. Yeah, so you'll also infuse

697
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: some people too that weren't on last year's team, right,

698
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: you know. And I'm not picking on Chase Claypool, but

699
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: they learned a lot by trading him. Not only would

700
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: I rather have the thirty second pick than Claypool, I

701
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: mean that end up working out phenomenal, but you had

702
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: to change how you played. I mean, those five skill

703
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: guys were Johnson playpool pickings most usually nausey and firemouth.

704
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: So you'd take one out, you put four or five

705
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: four or five other guys got a spike in playing time,

706
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: and the style of play changed dramatically. I mean, like

707
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: for the last three years they were like the heaviest

708
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: eleven personnel team in the league. Well that wasn't the

709
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: case last year, especially post Claypole. You know, you've learned

710
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: how to play a different way. Thought that they became

711
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: tougher to play against. I do too. Maybe they didn't

712
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: have as much skill on the field, you know, like

713
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: with all respected gentry, I mean, he's a good blocker.

714
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: He is what he is, But what if that guy

715
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: was also someone that could stretch the field, you know, like, wow,

716
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: now you're really hard to play against. Yeah, and multiple

717
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: tight ends it is hard to play against period. Yeah. Yeah,

718
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Speaker 1: So it's gonna be interesting to see what direction they

719
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: go with all this stuff. And we're gonna get a

720
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: glimpse of it when they do, actually when we actually

721
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: get to the rest and we'll probably get maybe a

722
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: little bit of a glimpse of it in free agency

723
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: with what they prioritize, and they're gonna add something to

724
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: the offense. Yeah yeah, right, And they already did a

725
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: sneaky move by resigning Anthony Miller, Like I don't think

726
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 1: that's a knock on Austin at all. But when they

727
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: make when a team makes a quick move like that,

728
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: they like him, you know, like, yeah, they don't want

729
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: to deal with I mean, we raved about him all

730
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: as training camp with right, so and then you know

731
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: it got taken away. Uh you know, so a guy

732
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,919
Speaker 1: like that, that's that's again, you're playing with house money

733
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: with a guy like that. Yeah, you know, I'm unfortunately

734
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: for nothing to acquire him, right and unfortunately for his

735
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: career path. He's gonna take the burden the hand with

736
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: the money, you know, and he did in camp. They

737
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 1: must like him. I wouldn't be shocked to be plays

738
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: fair amount of snaps next year. Yeah, yeah, show if

739
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,280
Speaker 1: he shows that he's capable. Yeah, right right, making that improvement.

740
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm with you. That's why I don't necessarily

741
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: know that wide receiver in this draft is something that

742
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: you're going to see, certainly not a premium pick. Spen

743
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: on and as coach says all the time too, I mean,

744
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:23,760
Speaker 1: you paint the bar and red when there's red paint,

745
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: and I do think there's receiver depth. But there's so

746
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: many receiver needy teams right now and free agencies gonna

747
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna end up, Jason. I think they get overdrafted

748
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: more so I would rather, I mean, all things being equal,

749
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: I know people are gonna laugh at me, but I'd

750
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: rather draft a tight end than a wide receiver. Yeah.

751
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: I mean, if it's a third round and same grade

752
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: on both, I would rather have a tight end than

753
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. Yeah, I'm with you. This week, we're

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775
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: kind of the cool thing because one of the things

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00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 1: that that you know, you watch guys here at to

777
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: combine their workouts and everything, and we might watch it

778
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: a little bit more than your average shoe, of course,

779
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: but it's kind of cool, like to go back after

780
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: the Steelers actually draft a guy and then look at

781
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 1: yet you don't see what they're looking for. Yeah. Yeah,

782
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: that is a neat way of doing it. You could

783
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: just line up, well, these the last four receivers they drafted,

784
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: what's in common, what's the what are the commonalities? Right,

785
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: or here's all the I'm going to really be a

786
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: dorc but all the short shuttles of all the interior

787
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: offensive lineman they picked. Well, I picked that because that's

788
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: that correlates a lot with success at the NFL level.

789
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 1: Does this team care about it or not? You know,

790
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: some do, some don't. Or the l drill the three

791
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 1: cone for edge edge pass rushers is usually really indicative

792
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 1: of success at the next level. Bend in that edge.

793
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 1: Some teams don't care, you know, they just want to

794
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: run through you. Yeah, so that's one way to you know,

795
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: go back and look. And you know, I can remember

796
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: saying here a few years ago and you know the

797
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: t J. Watt buzz Well you heard it. He's overrated. Yeah,

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00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: you know, if his name was was you know, t J. Williamson,

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00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: would he be a first round draft pick. As it

800
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: turns out, it turns out right, Yeah, he ended up

801
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: having a really good combine to people. Forget that part.

802
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: I mean, just like big brother, he blew it up

803
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: when he was here. But there were concerns. I mean,

804
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: he came to Wisconsin as a tight end and you know,

805
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: he wasn't a finished product and didn't have a huge

806
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: body of work, but also a good edge edge rusher class,

807
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 1: which didn't help. It didn't hurt it help his cause

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00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: a little bit and a little I mean, I'm trying

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00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: to think of negatives at the time. It's hard to

810
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: go back in that world. But he's a little bit

811
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: narrow wasted. He's not you know, it doesn't look like

812
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: Bud Dupree, you know. I mean, but you know he

813
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: did end up just so we've already gotten some of

814
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,439
Speaker 1: that too with Joey Porter Jr. Oh sure, you know, well,

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00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: you know, would would would every first of all, I know,

816
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: everybody wouldn't be mocking him to the Steelers if his

817
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: name was Joey Jones. Oh, I think so people take

818
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 1: the short end just ut it put him in there. Yeah,

819
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: but the fact is he's gonna test here probably really well,

820
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: really well. Yeah, and he's gonna be one of the

821
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 1: top three cornerbacks in this draft. Yeah. And they have

822
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 1: a corner need and corners are expensive. And I said,

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00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: did someth Pickett though? Too? Like if you scout, it

824
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: didn't It didn't matter that Kenny Pickett was from Pitt. See,

825
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: I think it did because it's like, but I don't

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Speaker 1: think in the grand scheme they didn't take him because

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00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,280
Speaker 1: he went to Pitt. No, that's like, yeah, I remember

828
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,479
Speaker 1: when coach walk passed was after they drafted James Conner.

829
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: Like that's a good story. Somebody says He's like, I

830
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: don't care. He's a good running back and I don't

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00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: care that he'd beat cancer anymore and worked next door.

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00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna hand him the football and try

833
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: to win games with the guy. But where I'm going

834
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: from is from a scouting When you're the scout, I mean,

835
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: every every team's different in terms of what they ask

836
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Speaker 1: of you. And yes, you're a talent evaluator, but as

837
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 1: much as anything, you gather information. So the fact that

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Speaker 1: the Steelers probably I promise you knew more about Picket

839
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: than the Titans did in the Falcons, etc. Doesn't hurt

840
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Speaker 1: is great. I mean, if you can give me more

841
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: information to make a decision off of, I feel more

842
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: confident with it. Well, they'll probably know a little bit

843
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: about Joey Porter than the Falcons will. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, and they knew more about for example, t J.

845
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: Watt because Paul Christ was the coach there, right and

846
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: he had been next door, and so you have that

847
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: relationship with those guys. I mean, if you hit fifty

848
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: percent of your draft picks, you're very very happy. So

849
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: if I have a chance to be fifty five percent

850
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: right on this guy because I know more than Joe

851
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: the other teams do, well, that's just a logical risk,

852
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, I mean it's not cheating,

853
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: no exactly. I mean it's just like any scout too.

854
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: I mean, Sios have a great scouting staff. I've been

855
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: doing it a long time, and those dudes that walk

856
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: into Auburn year after year after year have somebody that

857
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: in that building that they trust. Like you don't want

858
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 1: that guy, you know, or I trust this guy to know.

859
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 1: It's the Bill neither information. It's the Bill Nun thing.

860
00:40:56,239 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: He was scouting the historically black colleges before anybody else.

861
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: He knew those guys, they all knew him, they all

862
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: trusted him. Tell him. And so the couches or the

863
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: coach of South Carolina State when Donnie Shell is looking

864
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: to go somewhere is an undrafted free agencies. No, you

865
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: want to go to the Steelers because Bill Nuns there. Yeah,

866
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows, but I meant how that works.

867
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: I bet Bill Nunn looked at John Stalworth and said

868
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 1: that's the tenth best player in this draft. And he did,

869
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: and then he hit the tape and we had and

870
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: then we had to Then you gotta wait, and you

871
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: gotta wait, and you hope nobody else. Right, Well, that

872
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: part of the get out it worked out just fine.

873
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 1: All's fair and love of war and the NFL. Yeah,

874
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: but like Donnie Shall, I'm sure they had a high

875
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: grade on him, but I know no one's gonna take him.

876
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 1: No one want in that school from the Cardinals. Well,

877
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: that that was the story about Stalworth is that they

878
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: kept saying you could wait a round, wait around to

879
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: get all right, And Chuck Nolan was getting ansty about it, like, no,

880
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: you know, he's the first player in the draft, the

881
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: first round guy. We like him, like, he's the first

882
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: round guy. Well, why are we waiting till round four?

883
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: And again, well, as it turned out, you got four

884
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 1: were because I have buddies, I have Hall of famers

885
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: out of that draft, because I'm sure mister Nunn had

886
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: friends in that building, and they's like, well, no other

887
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: team came in, but you well again he took the

888
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 1: tape and well, in that case, but nobody else had

889
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: a hundred on him. It was good, like, yeah, the

890
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: hundred they had on it was four to seven and

891
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: wet grass and none none went back and re ran

892
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: him and had to you know, it's no, I mean

893
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 1: it was an outlier. But anyways, I mean, gathering information

894
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: makes is the job. However you do it, however you

895
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: do it if you gotta, if you gotta take the

896
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: janitor at a box of donuts to get that information,

897
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: you do you take the janitor a box of donuts

898
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: to get that information. So different than getting a medical

899
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: check and the doc says he's got a bad knee,

900
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: don't draft. Okay, so there's gonna be some of that

901
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: this week. Yeah, obviously. So explain to people why one

902
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: team would scratch a guy off their list for medicals

903
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: and another team wouldn't. Yeah, and I have a hard

904
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: time doing that because I didn't go to med school

905
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: and I can't be like, well, this ACL is a

906
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: little loose or whatever, you know whatever. But frankly, they

907
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: get poked and prodded. And we had a good conversation

908
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: with Max Starts to open the show in the ten

909
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 1: o'clock hour. He was talking about his experiences and been

910
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: how awful it is really, you know, I mean, it's

911
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 1: just a long day. But every doctor's here or they're invited.

912
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:16,919
Speaker 1: I don't know if they all showed up. I don't

913
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: really care. But every team has every team has the

914
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: same X rays. He mentioned MRIs Max. He said, I

915
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: had an ankle or a knee or something the year

916
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: before he got drafted, And so they're gonna go and

917
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 1: look at it to see if there's any loose bodies

918
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: and stuff, and they all get the same picture or results,

919
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: and twenty nine teams might be like he's fine, three

920
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: might not, you know, just like you or high or

921
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: you take your kid to the pediatrician. Well, and that's

922
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: where you too that you weigh the long term prognosis

923
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: for the guy, or maybe your doctors saying well, five

924
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:49,720
Speaker 1: years from now, this is going to be a problem.

925
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: See that's the other thing. I'm glad you brought that up.

926
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: Like I think the guard for the Chiefs that everyone's

927
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: praising the Chiefs for Tray Smith. Yeah, he's leading them

928
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: to super Bowls. He wasn't supposed to be a six

929
00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: draft pick, no, like his tape is his second pick

930
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: or definitely a top fifty pick. But I bet the

931
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: knock on him and I hope it's untrue, is he's

932
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: just not gonna have a long career, you know, like thought,

933
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: there's a high percentage chance compared to the other guards

934
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: of this draft that his career will end due to

935
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: injuries or wear and tear faster than the next guy.

936
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: I hope it doesn't for his case. And you know,

937
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: but and the Chief five Wade that is, well, we

938
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: need to guard really bad and he might start from

939
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: some day one if we get one contract out of him. Great, yeah,

940
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: especially in the sixth round sixth rounds, right, But the

941
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: cost versus the you know, the long term exactions though exactly.

942
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: But we weren't going to spend a premium second round

943
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 1: pick on him, no, because that needs to be a starter,

944
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: hopefully for two contracts. Hopefully you get the contracts out

945
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: of that guy so that you know you're gonna hear

946
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: some well that team's you know, he medically that he

947
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: he didn't pass this team's medicals or that team's medicals.

948
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean he flunked everybody's medicals, No, absolutely not.

949
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: You know, and there will be players that are off

950
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: boards now you know, that are all up there next week,

951
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: are not even on the board like your dogs would be.

952
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: Like this is a there's also liability to it too, right,

953
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: you know, like somebody gets heard, you gotta pay him,

954
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: and it's like bad business too, Like we don't want

955
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: to deal with that because his knee's never gonna hold up. Yeah.

956
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: So I mean those are the things that you have

957
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: to weigh. This week, give coaches crazy. Yeah, this week

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