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Speaker 1: Here we are again at OTA session number nine. He

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Speaker 1: is Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 2: I am Dale Lollie. We are the tag team here

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Speaker 2: for the drive live from the upmc rooney Sports Complex

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Speaker 2: here on the South Side. And you hear the music

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Speaker 2: in the background, you see the.

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Speaker 1: Players on the well, I guess you was on the

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Speaker 1: we can and uhh the final OTA session of twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three. Yeah. Again, it's been a really enjoyable experience

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Speaker 1: and today has a lot of energy as well. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure these guys are ready to have a nice long

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Speaker 1: weekend though as well. But you get a lot of

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Speaker 1: work done here. Weather's been good on in allthough. This

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Speaker 1: air quality issue is a little strange at the moment,

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Speaker 1: but such a you.

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Speaker 2: Know, I've I didn't put two and two together, but

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Speaker 2: my throat's been kind of scratched. Yeah, I'm like I

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Speaker 2: just had this scratchiness. I'm like, oh, yeah, I forgot

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: My wife's father is from the Philadelphia area, and I

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Speaker 2: guess the East Coast is just a mess right now.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure I heard New York say said.

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Speaker 2: She said her where her brother works at, is just

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Speaker 2: like you can't even see out there right now. Right

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Speaker 2: down the wind zone, the wind blowing right down the coast.

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Speaker 1: So I've seen some people here with masks on and

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Speaker 1: you know, not my style, but you know right, I

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Speaker 1: mean it's liverpol it is. But it's a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a haze in the air and all that. So,

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Speaker 1: so what do you think It's been a good good

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Speaker 1: eight days so far? Bringing on home at number nine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, knock on wood.

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Speaker 1: No injuries, no no big stories negative.

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Speaker 2: Here, no holdouts or anything like that to talk about.

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Speaker 2: No drama, no drama, drama free o t ass.

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Speaker 1: Like gotta like that. Hopefully the weekends the same. I'm

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Speaker 1: more worried about off the field, you know, when they

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Speaker 1: get away, than on the field in terms of drama

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Speaker 1: for the whole league. Of course.

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Speaker 2: Well, Mike Tom that will give that speech. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: you don't want to be that guy. That guy, don't

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Speaker 2: be that guy. We see some news around the league

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Speaker 2: a little bit. Yeah, it appears that the Minnesota Vikings

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Speaker 2: either have or are going to release Dalvin Cook here

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Speaker 2: in the next twenty four hours. We were talking off

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Speaker 2: Mike here about it, and I don't know what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: They're a really strange team, right now and we will

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Speaker 1: see some more moves. I mean, it's not like it's

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Speaker 1: a huge kickstarter. But when the June first cuts go

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Speaker 1: through some teams that ended up with some more, it's

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Speaker 1: already June. You know that's happened. I know, I know,

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Speaker 1: but like beginning of the month, you know, like all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, Miami is a little more cap space

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Speaker 1: because they had Byron Jones was a person. It was

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Speaker 1: a June first one. And back to Minnesota though, I

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Speaker 1: don't know what they're doing either. I mean you would think, well,

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Speaker 1: they won thirteen games last year. I mean I didn't

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Speaker 1: think they were thirteen win team, but they won thirteen games.

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Speaker 2: I mean they were probably more like a ten win team.

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Speaker 1: Right right right in a Aaron Rodgers. Isn't Green Bay anymore?

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Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you want to keep that? Division? Looks terrible? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: You got the forty nine.

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Speaker 1: Ers right right right?

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Speaker 2: Who's number three?

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Speaker 1: Dallas? I think is a really good game and they're

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Speaker 1: the three contenders to me. But Dallas is going to

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Speaker 2: Is going to be a wildcar going to be a wildcard, right,

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Speaker 2: so why not you know, have another home playoff game.

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Speaker 1: I mean I think Seattle is a leap of faith.

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Speaker 1: I mean I don't think the Giants are ready. I

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure why you break it down now. I mean,

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Speaker 2: they've got nineteen million in cap space.

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Speaker 1: So the traded is Darius Smith good player for cap reasons.

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Speaker 1: They're cutting Dalvin Cook, who I didn't think was great.

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Speaker 2: when he's had to fill in for Dalvin he's when

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Speaker 2: he sprinkled in with Dalvin Cook. Yeah, when he is

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Speaker 1: No, you're right about that. That wasn't even really worried

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Speaker 1: Cousins had a really good year. Offensive minded head coach.

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Speaker 1: rope there, probably he's his contracts up after the year.

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Speaker 1: But why rebuild now, you know, I mean like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: offensive talent that you have. Yeah, yeah, yeah, especially with

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Speaker 1: It wouldn't shock me at all if it's like, well,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I can remember having that discussion with David

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Speaker 1: We're doing just that. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they kept they had all these high draftic and

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Speaker 2: they kept trading back and trading back and trum.

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Speaker 1: At some points, you got to make the picks. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you got to get players to you know, line

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Speaker 1: up on Sunday. I'll be honest. I mean the two

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Speaker 2: Right, good twenty backs in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Like if Dalvin Cook, as rumored, ends up in Miami,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna run for a thousand yards. You know, he's

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Speaker 1: I mean borderline that's a stretch. But he's a really

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Speaker 1: good player. It is odd and you're right about Madison.

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Speaker 1: He's not a one. I mean he's fine, but he's

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Speaker 1: not a one. You just created needs. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: haven't replaced the Darius Smith you had. You know, you

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Speaker 1: did have, Yeah, you had them. You didn't have to

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Speaker 2: But they don't have to do even do that now.

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Speaker 1: Don't have to do it yet, right, but that's coming.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they can still franchise him de picking the

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Speaker 1: fifth year option of course, you know, right.

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Speaker 2: Figure that out down.

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Speaker 1: The road, right, and they have plenty of cap space.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't. I don't get it.

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Speaker 1: I don't. They've been an ad organization for the last

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Speaker 2: Really, like, no matter what people think and fans want

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Speaker 2: the Steelers win every year. And I get that. Sure,

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Speaker 2: they try to win every year. You know, some years,

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Speaker 2: some years you do it, do it better than others

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Speaker 2: because of salary cap restraints and things of that nature.

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Speaker 2: But you had a team that won your division last year,

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Speaker 2: and you're breaking it down in a year in which

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Speaker 2: Green Bay has traded away their franchise quarterback. Green Bay

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Speaker 2: has had a franchise quarterback the last twenty.

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Speaker 1: Years at least, right, yeah, plus.

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Speaker 2: Twenty plus years, and then you've been dealing with that,

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Speaker 1: You might have the best quarterback in the division. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean him and Golf are similar, But cousins that

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Speaker 1: If you put if you put Cousins on Detroit with Detroit, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Detroit is a super Bowl contender. Yeah, I mean I

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Speaker 1: think they're the same tier. But he's a better version,

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Speaker 1: more proven. You know, it had been it had him

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Speaker 1: noticeably better year. Yeah, and GoF had a good year.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that division is really bad,

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Speaker 1: the North and South of the NFC. Year.

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Speaker 2: Well, and the Steelers play yeah right right, those teams

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Speaker 2: this year, well, they played.

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Speaker 1: Who would you pick to win that division? Right now?

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Speaker 1: I mentioned off the ARA might take Green Bay. I

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Speaker 2: They might be getting out over there. Ye's the other thing.

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Speaker 2: But they Chicago.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I just can't run nine.

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Speaker 2: If they can win nine, because you know, if they

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Speaker 1: Oh, I think their offense will be good. I mean

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Speaker 1: And you know, hey, I'm a looke Getzi fan from

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Speaker 1: being next door with them and rooting for them. But

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Speaker 1: they got guys, now, I many have a line. They

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Speaker 1: got receivers. I think field S takes a step forward.

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Speaker 1: I just think their defense is going to be bottom five.

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Speaker 1: But if you're scoring, yeah, you're running the ball well,

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Speaker 1: which they should do. They eat clock, Yeah, they should

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Speaker 1: eat a lot of clock and keep your defense standing

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Speaker 1: the most talented. Maybe Detroit, but love is hard to

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Speaker 2: No, I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't either. But that brings me to well,

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Speaker 2: there's a Seth Walder did a piece here on ESPN.

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Speaker 2: Then I want to get to it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Ranking the NFL roster course stacking all thirty two teams now, okay,

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Speaker 2: He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale LOLLI. We are

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Speaker 2: live from the Steelers Ota Session number nine here at

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Speaker 2: the upmc rooney Sports Complex. We'll be back with more

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Speaker 1: We are back. He is Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lolly.

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Speaker 2: We are live from Steelers Ota Sessions here at the

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Speaker 1: And Matt, as I mentioned.

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Speaker 2: Uh Seth Walder has a piece here on ESPN dot

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Speaker 2: com ranking the thirty two teams by the best five

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's all we care about. Then I will care about.

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Speaker 1: So if you have five great ones and the rest

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Speaker 2: Core number thirty two, as we always start at the

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Speaker 2: bottom of these thin kind of things. Is the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 2: It's Kyler Burray, Marquise Brown, Buddha Baker, Paris Johnson Junior

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Speaker 1: So they're including rookies obviously. Yeah, I mean that's a five.

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Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, if the if the Cardinals offered you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, anyone better safeties in the league. But I wonder

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Speaker 1: Not much? Now what you think in his contract and

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Speaker 2: Come on, Desmond Ridder, Drake London, Chris Lindstrom, Grady Jarrett, Kyle, Pitts.

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Speaker 2: Look, it looks like he's pretty much including everybody's quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Is your roster core? Okay? Well under that circumference, I

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Speaker 1: Okay, Jonathan Taylor doesn't make Leonar. I thought he's name

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Speaker 2: I'm wanna be known as buzzzar Axy changed my name.

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Speaker 1: Yeah at Williamson NFL. What's what are you at? Lolly

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Speaker 1: and where do we h? What should be our new nickname?

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna switch from mac to ats or something like that.

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Speaker 2: Flounder goose, there you go, goose. At twenty nine are

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Speaker 1: See, I think that's what he's doing here is who's

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Speaker 1: a rough couple of years.

434
00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,600
Speaker 2: It's twenty five or the Chicago You'd rather have.

435
00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,600
Speaker 1: The Texans core than that, Yeah, just because of age.

436
00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,760
Speaker 1: The Bears are twenty five justin Fields, Dj Moore, Evans

437
00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:54,359
Speaker 1: all on. I was just say they're all on the offense.

438
00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:58,720
Speaker 1: But Eddie Jackson, Braxton Jones, Okay, not exactly load to

439
00:18:58,720 --> 00:18:59,760
Speaker 1: a star power either.

440
00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, but twenty five point six on that.

441
00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,280
Speaker 1: There's some age stuff going there a favor. Braston Jones

442
00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:06,240
Speaker 1: is not a bad player.

443
00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:07,200
Speaker 2: At twenty four.

444
00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:12,800
Speaker 1: Of the Packers Jordan Love, Sure, JayR, Alexander Bachdiari, Christian

445
00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:17,560
Speaker 1: Wilson or Watson Rashaun Garys. Should Christian Watson be getting

446
00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,119
Speaker 1: that kind of considering when you said to him, I

447
00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,200
Speaker 1: was a little shocked and I was scanning my brain.

448
00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,560
Speaker 1: Who would I mean? Aaron Jones is still pretty good. Yeah,

449
00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:25,959
Speaker 1: he seems to be a little prejudiced.

450
00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,080
Speaker 2: How about the how about the interior lineman.

451
00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,040
Speaker 1: For them? He's kicked out to tackle a couple you know,

452
00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,199
Speaker 1: when when Bocdari has been hurt. I can't think of

453
00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,000
Speaker 1: his name right now. Oh yeah, yeah, it was a

454
00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,760
Speaker 1: second round picked a couple years ago. He's a good player, Yeah,

455
00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:40,480
Speaker 1: I don't know.

456
00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,480
Speaker 2: Why I can't think his name bumping people. Well, maybe

457
00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,159
Speaker 2: there's nobody screaming who the Packers interior linement is right?

458
00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,399
Speaker 1: But you know what I'm talking about, I did. I

459
00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,080
Speaker 1: should know that name too, and I don't have thought.

460
00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:53,240
Speaker 2: That that average chorus twenty six, that one, yeah yeah at

461
00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:57,520
Speaker 2: twenty three are the Panthers Bryce Young, Brian Burns, J C. Horn,

462
00:19:57,920 --> 00:19:59,439
Speaker 2: Derek Brown, Taylor Moten.

463
00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. I really like those three defensive players. They're all

464
00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,440
Speaker 1: kind of hitting their stride right now. Pretty good, good

465
00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:05,880
Speaker 1: young core.

466
00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's twenty four point eight is the average?

467
00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,719
Speaker 1: You can put Ikey on there, maybe, you know, as

468
00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,800
Speaker 1: a left tackle in a second year. Valuable player for him,

469
00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:15,399
Speaker 1: building block, I mean, I'm not sure he's one of

470
00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,920
Speaker 1: the best five players, but building block Derek Brown's a

471
00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:18,400
Speaker 1: really good But.

472
00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,040
Speaker 2: The problem is is the skill position guys.

473
00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,000
Speaker 1: Are they need pass catchers? Yeah, big time? Yeah yeah, yeah,

474
00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:24,920
Speaker 1: that's best year's offseason.

475
00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:26,399
Speaker 2: Is they're they're one that they should be looking at.

476
00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:27,360
Speaker 2: DeAndre Hopkins.

477
00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:29,080
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeahh that.

478
00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:30,600
Speaker 2: Would make a lot of make a lot to put

479
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,240
Speaker 2: DeAndre Hopkins on that team. And Bryce Young hits so

480
00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:33,720
Speaker 2: real quick.

481
00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,679
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins is visiting the Typeights next week, and I

482
00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,920
Speaker 1: know him and Vrabel have a Texans connection, but that's

483
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,679
Speaker 1: nothing that he was after. I mean, that's like one

484
00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:42,240
Speaker 1: of the worst teams.

485
00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,399
Speaker 2: That's that's him trying to show some interests. Yeah right

486
00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,359
Speaker 2: right with the agent trying to people want me, people

487
00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:47,679
Speaker 2: want me?

488
00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,720
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah, if you if you're gonna do that, I'd

489
00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:50,399
Speaker 1: rather go to Carolina.

490
00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,080
Speaker 2: I'd rather go to Carolina. They would at least then

491
00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:53,800
Speaker 2: have a chance to win that division because the defense

492
00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:54,640
Speaker 2: isn't mad.

493
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,360
Speaker 1: And it would make a lot of sense for Bryce Young.

494
00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, would you wouldn't give him a nice security like it?

495
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:04,920
Speaker 2: At twenty two? Are those Titans, okay, Ryan Tannehill, Derrick Henry,

496
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:09,280
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Simmons, Kevin Byard, Harold Landry. The average age of

497
00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:13,480
Speaker 2: that corps twenty nine point four, twenty nine point four.

498
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:17,000
Speaker 1: If you had Hopkins to that, you're getting even older older.

499
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,560
Speaker 1: I say, you'd love to get like Burks on there. Yeah,

500
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 1: but I mean Simmons is the only young core piece.

501
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:26,399
Speaker 1: Harold Lander's young. I bet he's twenty eight ish. I

502
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,440
Speaker 1: don't know if he's that old, But okay, I didn't

503
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,160
Speaker 1: say it's probably six or seventh year or something like that. Man,

504
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 1: But he's not superstar, No, he's not, right, right, that's

505
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:34,359
Speaker 1: a bad team.

506
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 2: That's a bad one. Another old corps, the Los Angeles Rams.

507
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:42,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Matthew Stafford, Aaron Donald, Cooper Cup, Ernest Jones,

508
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:44,120
Speaker 2: Steve Avilla.

509
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,280
Speaker 1: I would put a via on there. Yeah. I mean

510
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:47,880
Speaker 1: that's because he's that important to them.

511
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:49,919
Speaker 2: But my twenty eight point six.

512
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,639
Speaker 1: Jones is like the only other true starter on defense

513
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,879
Speaker 1: besides Donald. Yeah, and then they're old and that they're reaching.

514
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 2: Guarantee. If I went out and asked people on the

515
00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,359
Speaker 2: streets who does Ernest Jones play for?

516
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,159
Speaker 1: They would not Oh no, they would not know. No,

517
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 1: I'm sure some people on the field right now wouldn't know.

518
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,119
Speaker 1: And he's our second best defensive player. Yeah right, And

519
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 1: imagine what six seven eight looks like on that think really.

520
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 2: Bad at twenty are the Denver Broncos. Russell Wilson, Patrick

521
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:18,359
Speaker 2: certain Ary, Judy, Justin Simmons, Courtland Sutton. That average age

522
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 2: is twenty seven point four.

523
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 1: Courtland Sutton doesn't do it for me. No, I don't

524
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 1: think he does it for them either. After they drafted

525
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,400
Speaker 1: Mims I'm not sure Judy's in the long term plans. Yeah,

526
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 1: I mean so.

527
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 2: That who's Who's number five for them?

528
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 1: Healthy Gavante Williams, which he's far off from.

529
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, Garrett Bowles. They went out and paid money for

530
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 2: all those offensive linemen. You'd think that.

531
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're all just dudes, I know. But I

532
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 1: know what you're saying, right, mcglinchy's making a fortune. Yeah,

533
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 1: Simmons isn't certain are good ones? Garrett Bowles maybe, but

534
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 1: I think he's vastly He's way overrated. Yeah, that's not

535
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:49,360
Speaker 1: so great.

536
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 2: At number nineteen. The Pittsburgh Steelers. Hmm, okay, what Kenny Pikett,

537
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:59,479
Speaker 2: TJ Watt making Fitzpatrick cam Hayward put George Pickens on there,

538
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:00,199
Speaker 2: number five.

539
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 1: I'm not cready to make that jump yet. I put

540
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:03,919
Speaker 1: Friarmuth ahead of him.

541
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 2: I put Friarmuth on there. How about about.

542
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 1: You know, I could see Deontay's not bad. By the way,

543
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 1: Deyonce is a better player right now than George Pickens.

544
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 1: He is, And I know that's blasphemy he is though,

545
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 1: but he is. That's a fact. Yeah. Uh.

546
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 2: The average age eras twenty seven. Here's what he says

547
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 2: about the Steelers group. If Pickett hits, this group gets

548
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 2: scary quick. While Hayward is thirty four years old, Pickens

549
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 2: is just getting going and combines with Deontay Johnson to

550
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 2: make up a strong receiver duo for the young quarterback.

551
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 2: While injuries marred Wat's twenty twenty two season, he remains

552
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,120
Speaker 2: one of the league's truly elite defenders. You could also

553
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:42,400
Speaker 2: put Alex high Smith on that list.

554
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, especially we consider age. I mean, I mean,

555
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: he's this roster's a lot comfortable to Harold Landry. Oh yeah,

556
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 1: I'd rather have Hi Smith. Yeah, I mean especially Yeah,

557
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: and this roster is so much different than Arizona's. But

558
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: Roderick Jones is in consideration too, I mean right, yeah,

559
00:23:58,119 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 1: Ranchi left Hacke, you know, I mean we don't know

560
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 1: how good he is yet, but I mean just in

561
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 1: terms of value to the team.

562
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 2: So there's guys there.

563
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there's list might look a lot different

564
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 1: next year. Well, without a doubt. I wasn't even sure

565
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,640
Speaker 1: Cam would be on there just because of age. He's

566
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 1: still really good. I mean, it's problems. I mean, he's

567
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: second or third best player on the on the list.

568
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 2: At eighteen are the Lions and the act the fact

569
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 2: that the Steelers have multiple guys that would be in

570
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 2: consideration for.

571
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 1: That fifth point. Yeah, six through ten would be pretty good. Yeah,

572
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 1: I think some of these teams ahead of him, you

573
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,159
Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to say that about probably true, like

574
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 1: the Lions. I'm thinking eighteen is the Lions, and their

575
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: group is GoF a Mon Ross, Saint Brown, Adrian Hutchinson,

576
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 1: pay Sewells, Jamison Williams. I can't getting nothing out of him,

577
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: but yeah, I don't know if I can put him

578
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: there yet. He was my number one receiver in that draft,

579
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 1: which he still might be. Who knows.

580
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 2: You know, he's gonna miss the first six games this year.

581
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

582
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 2: And the average age of that group though is twenty

583
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 2: three point six.

584
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: Golf hurts it a lot, Yeah, but they are right

585
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 1: right right? Wow. Uh. At seventeen are the Raiders. Crosby, Okay,

586
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 1: here's the g They have a quarter Jimmy Garoppolo. I'm

587
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: not sure I put him on, Davonte Adams, Max Shrosby,

588
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: Colton Miller, Josh Jacobs, who's not gonna be there next year.

589
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 2: Like we didn't even talk about Naujie Harris.

590
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 1: I mean, there aren't many running backs have made the list,

591
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 1: but yeah, Jacobs has to be in their top five.

592
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 2: Has to be their average group.

593
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 1: There, they're twenty eight. Crosby's the only defensive player you

594
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: consider unless you wanna put the first round pick in. Yeah,

595
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 1: I mean that's a stretch, stretch, right.

596
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 2: The Saints are at sixteen, average age of twenty nine,

597
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 2: Chris Olave.

598
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: That's your bring up to study.

599
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 2: Ryan Ramsay, Marshawn Lattimore to Mario Davis.

600
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: That is an old that's old. Yeah. Even Cam Jordan

601
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 1: might be next and he's old. Yeah, right right right? Oh.

602
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: At fifteen are the Giants, the average age twenty five

603
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: point four, Daniel Jones, Dexter Lawrence, Andrew Thomas, Keevon Thibodeaux,

604
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 1: Darren Waller. Would you have a Barkley and over Waller?

605
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: I would I have a better player? Yeah? Who's more

606
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 1: important to their offense? Yeah? The three as you like

607
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 1: there are Thibodeau, Lawrence Thomas.

608
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, three guys on the front.

609
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: You'd like Neil to be on there? Yeah? You picking

610
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 1: the draft last year or something like that. I mean,

611
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: especially over Waller. Waller's old. He came a league old

612
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 1: and he's been around a while.

613
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 2: At fourteen are the Seahawks average age of twenty six

614
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 2: point six, Gino Smith, DK metcalf Sure, Tyler Lockett.

615
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 1: I think i'd put Smith the Jigba over Lockett in

616
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: terms of value and yeah.

617
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 2: Moving forward, yeah, yeah, Tarik Woolan and Charles Cross quality.

618
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd wish there was a pass rusher. Yeah, there's

619
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: none of that.

620
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: I mean the two first round pick, nothing on defense

621
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 2: other than Tarik Woollen.

622
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: Like, what's his face? The Illinois kid they drafted at

623
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: six the corner. Yeah, maybe, but it's hard to put.

624
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 2: Rookies on there at thirteen of the Vikings And this

625
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 2: is why it goes back to our conversation in the

626
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 2: previous offense right Kirk Cousins, Justin Jefferson, Daniel Hunter, Christian

627
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 2: darisaw t J. Hawkinson. The average AJ covers twenty seven

628
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 2: point four. Why you break? Why are you?

629
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 1: Why are you're blowing it down? Yeah? I mean they

630
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: would certainly be better was Zadarius and Dallvin. It twelve

631
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: is Jacksonville Lawrence carries a lot, Trevor.

632
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 2: Lawrence, Calvin, Ridley, Tyson Campbell Josh Allen, Christian Kirk twenty

633
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 2: five point two on that one.

634
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 1: Okay, you'd like it to be Trevon Walker, Alan Pebon

635
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 1: Walker's first picking the draft, first picking draft. Right. You

636
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: didn't say any big people on that list, which is

637
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: a little concerning. At eleven are the Browns, Okay, I

638
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: guess you have to put Watson the.

639
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 2: Average ages twenty seven point six. It's Watson, Miles, Garrett,

640
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 2: Nick Chubb, Denzel Ward, Joe Patonio. Like, That's why I

641
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 2: don't get so you leave some other running backs off

642
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 2: of these lists, but you you put I mean.

643
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 1: Chubb's Good's really good. But I think those would be

644
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: my five though, would it? Okay? I could see Alvin Tomlinson,

645
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 1: maybe maybe Wyatt Teller maybe maybe I did to Amari

646
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, the Djoku, No yeah, maybe maybe that's right.

647
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: At ten are the forty nine ers. This is gonna

648
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Speaker 1: be good. I would not include a quarterback there.

649
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Speaker 2: Twenty eight point four is the average age because of

650
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Speaker 2: Trent Williams, Nick Bosa, Trent Williams, Christian McCaffrey again putting

651
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Speaker 2: a running back on here, George Kittle, Fred Werner so no,

652
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Speaker 2: Debo ayuk, Yeah, I mean there's six through ten is

653
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 2: pretty good to Hargrave.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Warner was on there, right. Yeah. Their second linebacker

655
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Speaker 1: whose name I should know is all green Law. As

656
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Speaker 1: a related player, Kittle didn't make a list.

657
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Speaker 2: He's on there?

658
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Speaker 1: Was he? Okay? He was number four. Okay. That's a

659
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: good group, good group. Yeah, But I mean the quarterback

660
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Speaker 1: is a big quick question. Obviously.

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Speaker 2: At nine are the Ravens, Okay? And I look at

662
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Speaker 2: this list, this this group for the Ravens, and I

663
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Speaker 2: don't know if they're nine. I mean Lamar, yeah, Lamar,

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Speaker 2: Mark Andrews, Marlon Humphrey, Roquan Smith, Ronnie Stanley.

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Speaker 1: That one's a negative to me.

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Speaker 2: This is not twenty nineteen. No, right, Ronnie Stanley hasn't

667
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 2: played a lot of football since twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 1: What have you done for me lately? Yeah? If he's

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Speaker 1: your fifth best player, you've got some issues, right. I

670
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Speaker 1: mean you want that to be Bateman, Linderbaum, yeah, somebody. Yeah,

671
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: you'd love it to be a d lineman and yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The other thing is you look at that there's you know,

673
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Speaker 2: Marlon Humphrey is not what he used to be.

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Speaker 1: No, I say, who's arrows going up? Right. I mean

675
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Speaker 1: Rokwan's really good right now?

676
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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, he's he's but he's kind of yeah. I mean,

677
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Speaker 2: I'll get right, right, I don't know. I mean all

678
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Speaker 2: those guys are making good money. Yeah, I mean they're

679
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Speaker 2: all in second contract. Andrews is in his prime, but

680
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Speaker 2: he's not young either.

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Speaker 1: What was their average age twenty seven point ten? I say,

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Speaker 1: I bet it's not great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and those guys are all like, they don't have

684
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Speaker 2: a they don't have a thirty something guy weighing that down.

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Speaker 1: No, they don't have Klais Campbell. You know, even with the.

686
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Speaker 2: Steelers twenty seven, Hayward's thirty four.

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Speaker 1: Right right, one guy's gonna probably come off that list

688
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: and next year might be lower or whatever. Two years

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Speaker 1: from now.

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Speaker 2: At eight are the Jets. Their average age is twenty

691
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Speaker 2: six point eight. And that's with Rogers, that's with Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: Wow. I mean their rookie class was awesome.

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Speaker 2: So they got Rogers, you got Sauce Gardner, Quinn and Williams,

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Speaker 2: Garrett Wilson, Elijah Vera.

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Speaker 1: Tucker, okay, and Breece Hally was thinking it's from the

696
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Speaker 1: rookie class too, But I would have put Vera Tucker.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what you can say Breesce Halls, you

698
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Speaker 2: know again coming back off of a major knee injury.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that can be tough. That's a good groups,

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Speaker 1: Sauce Wilson, I mean that's awesome. Yeah, it's seven. Are

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Speaker 1: the Chargers sure?

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Speaker 2: Her average age of twenty seven, Herbert Bosa, Rashaun Slater,

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Speaker 2: Keenan Allen, Derwin James.

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Speaker 1: They're sneakily getting old though. Yeah. I mean Alan Williams, Alan,

705
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Speaker 1: some of those dudes. I'm not saying they're past their prime,

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Speaker 1: but they're not the younger. Derwin James is older than

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Speaker 1: you think too, because I mean he just hasn't played

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Speaker 1: a ton of foot. This is a whole season here

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Speaker 1: and there, you know, right, I mean Bosa's not young

710
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Speaker 1: anymore either. I mean I think Bosa came in the GLLI. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Six is the Cowboys with Dak Prescott, Michael Parsons, Ceedee Lamb,

712
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Speaker 2: Zach Martin, and Trayvon Diggs.

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Speaker 1: That's twenty six point eight. Martin hurts the yage a

714
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Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, the first round pick last year. Smith

715
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Speaker 1: had a good rookie year. Might be the left tackle

716
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Speaker 1: going to be a guard. Okay, I mean that's that's

717
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: not a bad group.

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Speaker 2: I'm still in a super solo on Dak Prescott, though

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Speaker 2: I like him more than you do. Exactly the turnovers.

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Speaker 2: I just can't get past it was bad last year.

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Speaker 2: He is a good football player. He is also a

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Speaker 2: very turnover prone football player, has been over the course

723
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Speaker 2: of his career. No, he has, and not just the interceptions,

724
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Speaker 2: but the fumbles. The fumbles are legit, that is, that

725
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Speaker 2: is something that he has not grown out of. See,

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Speaker 2: I would probably have him as like my eighth best quarterback.

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Speaker 2: I bet you'd have him eleventh somewhere, I mean hairs.

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Speaker 1: Here, but that neighbor.

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Speaker 2: There's some other guys who I think value the football better, yes,

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Speaker 2: more than him, than I would put ahead of him

731
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Speaker 2: at five are the Bills. Their window is getting.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be like closer and quicker than all And

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Speaker 1: Diggs isn't young now.

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Speaker 2: The average age of this chorus is twenty nine point four.

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Speaker 1: Miller Hurts, Josh Allen, Stefan Diggs, Von Miller, tra Davious one,

736
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Speaker 1: Matt Mulano. Yeah, that windows closing. Yeah, I mean it's

737
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Speaker 1: not closed, but it's closing and they're done buying. There's

738
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Speaker 1: no more von Miller's in their future. Tredavis White's interesting too,

739
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Speaker 1: because he doesn't played a lot of football. When he

740
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Speaker 1: came back last year, he was bad. It wasn't like

741
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: he came back and looked okay and maybe he was

742
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Speaker 1: still fighting through things. I mean, TJ. Watt didn't look

743
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: like himself as first game back either, But they need

744
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Speaker 1: him to be what he used to be right in

745
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Speaker 1: a big way, in a huge way. Even those two

746
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Speaker 1: safeties aren't young, right, you know, I mean both you know, yeah,

747
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Speaker 1: eighth in season something like that.

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Speaker 2: At four are the Dolphins average ages twenty seven pointy six,

749
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Speaker 2: which you that's Tua Yeah, Jalen Ramsey, Jayleen Waddle and

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Speaker 2: Tron Armstead.

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Speaker 1: They've paid for that, Yeah you really have? Yeah, I

752
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: mean that their roster constructions. Let's just go shopping. Yeah, right, Phillips,

753
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: the d ND is somebody that would be just missed

754
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Speaker 1: or or that's young at least, and they might add

755
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook to add the age thing. Again.

756
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Speaker 2: You see during the office a few weeks ago, Tyreek

757
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 2: said he's just gonna play this contract.

758
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Speaker 1: Out and he's done. Yeah, I heard him say that

759
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: he's a speed guy, that that could fall off. He

760
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Speaker 1: he could get that could go away pretty quick. It could,

761
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Speaker 1: it could. I mean he's still superstar. But yeah, I

762
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Speaker 1: mean I don't know that he's built for the Hopkins

763
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: Fitzgerald long haul type guy. It's not that I don't

764
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Speaker 1: know that he's playing when he's certainly not playing when

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Speaker 1: he's thirty four to thirty five, probably not, probably not,

766
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Speaker 1: especially he's already considering retirement. Yea, at three are the Eagles.

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Speaker 1: I thought that'd be one, but that's Jalen Hurts, A J. Brown,

768
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Speaker 1: Lane Johnson has Sawn Reddick, Darius Slayton. Those would be

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Speaker 1: my picks I saw.

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Speaker 2: On Reddick's a part time player.

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Speaker 1: I would have had DeVante Smith on there for sure.

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Speaker 1: With A J. Brown and Hurts. How about the left tackle,

773
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Speaker 1: I would say Melatta, Jalen Carter Kelsey. I was gonna

774
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Speaker 1: keep Johnson and Kelsey off just because they're age. But

775
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Speaker 1: I think the thing is what is their core right now?

776
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: And that's their core? Yeah, yeah, I get it. I

777
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: mean there's a lot to pick from there. They're six

778
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Speaker 1: through ten pretty darm.

779
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Speaker 2: But the average agent that the guy's on there is

780
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Speaker 2: twenty eight point eight.

781
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,919
Speaker 1: Without Kelsey with Al Kelsey? Okay, yeah, who's the young pup?

782
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: I mean, Jalen Carter could be the next coming, but

783
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: he is the young No, he came out of the legally.

784
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Speaker 2: Made he's still under twenty eight point eight.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's bringing it down. He's probably he's twenty six,

786
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Speaker 1: twenty seven. Goddard's a good player. Yeah, it'd be in

787
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Speaker 1: a lot of lists. At two are the Bengals. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's the three.

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, T Higgins, sure, Trey Hendrickson, Orlando.

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Speaker 1: Brown, Okay, DJ Reader would cross my mind. Yeah, not mixing,

791
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: like their second there there's group after that. They're top heavy. Yeah,

792
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here thinking that, Like they're one through five

793
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: is quite good. Maybe they're one through six, but I

794
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: don't The Steelers might be better seven through twelve. Yeah,

795
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Speaker 1: even down to fifteen to twenty. Yeah, there are a

796
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: little more top then you'd like, and probably going to

797
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: get more and more that way, because.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they have to start paying Burrow and Chase. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you're not gonna be all Afford Chase and Higgins.

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Speaker 1: I mean to take a step further. I think they're

801
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: at least what they say, which teams lie. They want

802
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 1: to do everything possible to keep those three.

803
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 2: Good luck with that you'll be able to keep two,

804
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 2: in which case then you're losing Hendrickson. And then at

805
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 2: what point do you have to cut Orlando Brown? Because

806
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 2: the readers of the world.

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Speaker 1: And those guys when they start to age out whenever

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Speaker 1: you're giving a Higgins second contract and now all.

809
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 2: Of a sudden, you're drafting twenty you know, twenty fifth

810
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 2: or lower. Every year you're not getting.

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Speaker 1: That's why they draft a defense so heavy, you know,

812
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: but still they're not premium prospects.

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00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 2: And then number one is the Kansas City Chiefs, Patrick Mahomes,

814
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 2: Travis Kelcey, Chris Jones, Creed Humphrey, Joe Thoney. The average

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Speaker 2: age of that course twenty eight point six. Kelsey hurts well,

816
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 2: so does Christian Chris Jones.

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Speaker 1: I think Mahomes is twenty eight. I think he's about

818
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Speaker 1: there now soon.

819
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Speaker 2: He's not young. Chris Jones isn't young.

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Speaker 1: No. I mean that was one of the reasons they

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Speaker 1: made the Tyreek t was let's bring in a lot

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Speaker 1: of draft back. We know we're getting old. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: it looks like it's a good group. But they weren't

824
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: premium picks either. You know, the Trent McDuffie's and the

825
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: two linebackers are decent players, and car Loftis and those

826
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Speaker 1: type of dudes. Mahomes is a deodorant obviously though, But

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Speaker 1: interesting list. It is an interesting list.

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Speaker 2: Different way to look at the roster.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, because I mean we did the Pro Football Focus,

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Speaker 1: who's your best three players? Didn't care about age. This

831
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Speaker 1: was a better way of looking at it, or a

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Speaker 1: different way of looking at it, like who's your your core,

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Speaker 1: your most important players. And originally I'm like, why is

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Speaker 1: Ritter on there? Well he's really important. Mean, he's deal

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Speaker 1: right right right? If he hits, they're in really good shape. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: That was from Seth Wald on esp That's good. We're

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Speaker 2: gonna take another break. He is Matt Williamson. I am

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Speaker 2: Dale Lolly. We are live from the Steelers Ota Sessions

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Speaker 2: here at the upmc rooney Sports Complex. You were listening

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Speaker 2: to ESPN nine seventy and Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be

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Speaker 2: the Steelers Ota sessions here at the upmc rooney.

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Speaker 1: For ten more minutes of him this year. Yeah, coming

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Speaker 1: down the home stretch for OTA. So you got more

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Speaker 1: than ten more minutes. We get, well, not us, but

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Speaker 1: they have they have family. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mentioned that we were talking there about Alex high

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Speaker 2: Smith in the previous segment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going over that. Nick Shook, who covers the

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Speaker 1: NFL for NFL dot Com, has neck gen Stats top

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Speaker 1: ten disruptors of twenty twenty two. Oh really okay, and

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Speaker 1: I thought we'd just run through this list a little

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Speaker 1: bit here.

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Speaker 2: Uh so the guys who just missed the list Max Crosby,

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Speaker 2: which is hard to believe. Yeah, really Za, Darius Smith, Josh.

858
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: Sweat had ten. So these are good guys, Yeah, Sam.

859
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 2: Hubbard, Dexter, Lawrence Khalil Mack, Josh Allen.

860
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: Wow group. Yeah, it just shows the quality of d

861
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: lineman in the league right now. If they can't make it.

862
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 2: Number ten was Quinnen Williams.

863
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: He's a superstar in to make it.

864
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 2: This is just based off pure stats from I said.

865
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: These are their advanced metrics and I know they do

866
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: it like Cynthia does a lot of this stuff worth

867
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: How close do you get to the quarterback? You know,

868
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: my shoulder pads are your shoulder pads? Measuring things of

869
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 1: that nature. Yeah. Number nine is Brian Burns from the Panthers. Okay, okay,

870
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,760
Speaker 1: those two names certainly belong.

871
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 2: Number eight Matthew Judon from the Patriots.

872
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: I get it. Disrupt the player.

873
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 2: Seven Javon Hargrave now with the forty nine Ers.

874
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he had a tremendous year. I thought

875
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: he was their best d lineman on the seventy sac

876
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: team in Philadelphia. Number six Alex high Smith. Wow. I

877
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: mean you kind of teased it. You're going into this

878
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: segment that I expected to hear his name, but I

879
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't have six ten minutes ago. Six six wow, and

880
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: we were talking about there. He was on the Steelers

881
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: list of the top five.

882
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 2: Right.

883
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: If he's your six or seven or whatever, you're in

884
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: nice shape, especially at his age arrow going up. Still,

885
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not sure that he's going to be

886
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: a fifteen sack guy every year, you know, going forward

887
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: with I think.

888
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 2: Right right, right, But if you look at what he

889
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 2: did last year.

890
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 1: Remember one of those snaps without water.

891
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 2: Yeah about the season sixty three quarterback pressures, So I

892
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 2: get his pressure rate was thirteen point eight percent.

893
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: Well, he had thirty four hurries fourteen and a half

894
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: sex and had forced two turnovers with his pressure. Okay,

895
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: and they don't have knockdowns down there.

896
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 2: He also, I mean he forced he led the league

897
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 2: in forced fumbles last year.

898
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: I knew he was near the top. He ended up

899
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: number one, Wow, which.

900
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 2: Is crazy considering the Steelers as a team didn't have

901
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 2: many they had the league leader and didn't and didn't.

902
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: And frankly, I think TJ is the best fumble forcer

903
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,879
Speaker 1: in the league right now over the last three four years.

904
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 1: I mean last year is a bit of an anomaly,

905
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: but anyone's watched him punch that ball out. He's phenomenal

906
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: at it. And if high Smith can keep that up,

907
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: maybe they'll recover some fumbles. Yeah, that's a crazy anomaly too, Yeah.

908
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 2: Crazy. Number five Chris Jones.

909
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 1: Sure yeah, I mean he's just disruptive as any guy

910
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: in the league. Number four Hassan Reddick. Okay, I mean

911
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: we were a little harsh on him yesterday that his

912
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: life's easy, blah. Blah blah.

913
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,720
Speaker 2: But I mean he's he does one thing he doesn't

914
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 2: really well, but right like he is, he's Jani King

915
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 2: dock Away from three years ago in.

916
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: That mold right right on a great team which.

917
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,240
Speaker 2: Helps three Miles Garrett.

918
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's a superstar and nobody here wants

919
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: to recognize that he's a tremendous, tremendous football player.

920
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 2: Number two Nick Bosa, Yeah, it was defensive play of

921
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 2: the Year. Yeah, really good as upright. Number one Michael Parsons. Okay,

922
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 2: I totally agree with that too. That list isn't that shocking?

923
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I bet high Smith is the most shocking

924
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: name to Joe average listener and people.

925
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 2: Who don't watch the Steelers.

926
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: Alex Highsmith, Yeah, what's he doing there? Yeah? Max Crosby's

927
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: not on there, but high Smith is.

928
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 2: And you know, again, these aren't That was the kind

929
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: of year he had last year, and there are people

930
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 2: out there who don't want Oh the Steeler shouldn't pay him.

931
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 1: And like you said, this is not opinion, this is

932
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 1: just what the numbers told on he in their metrics.

933
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: And however, they calculated that you could make the disruptive right,

934
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: So high Smith was six with a pressure rate of

935
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: thirteen point eight percent. Chris Jones was fifth. His pressure rate,

936
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: I bet it's lower ten point three, like what was

937
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: Garrett and Mike and Parsons in and Bosa.

938
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 2: Reddick is at fifteen point four. Garrett sixteen point three,

939
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 2: Bosa was fifteen point nine. It's not far off the

940
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 2: elite that Parson was sixteen.

941
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: Point four, okay. So I mean, you're fifteen is a

942
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: huge number, is what that's telling me. And he's not

943
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: far off that.

944
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if I look, youuge number, this is

945
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 2: the guy's behind him. So Javon Hargrave was at thirteen

946
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 2: point two.

947
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure the interior guys are gonna be a little lower.

948
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 2: Matthew Jude was at eleven point.

949
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: Eight, okay, he played a lot of snaps too.

950
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,760
Speaker 2: Brian Burns was at twelve point nine.

951
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: Okay, and high Smith was righted by this guys above.

952
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 2: All those guys Quentin and Williams thirteen point four.

953
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: They don't happen to have Crosby's there because he wasn't

954
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: they don't. Yeah, I was just curious of the other

955
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: elite edge guys. Interesting. I don't think Alex Highsmith's an

956
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 1: elite edge player. But yesterday we did Pro football focuses

957
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: and he came in at thirty two, right, I think

958
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: they did the top probably should have been higher than that, right,

959
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: And I think I think we kind of lobby based

960
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 1: on what he what he did last year, and especially

961
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: because I don't think it's a flash in the pan.

962
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: I mean, if it would have been fall into fourteen

963
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: and a half sacks, especially with pressures. I mean sometimes

964
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: sacks are fluky and aren't as sticky, but pressures aren't pressures.

965
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 2: Vic Beasley the one year I think for the Falcons

966
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 2: had what do you have, like thirteen sacks, but.

967
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: He was like middle of the road and pressure, right, yeah,

968
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: you know, like and then the next year he was

969
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: middle of the road and sacks too. Now he's out

970
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: of the leakue right right, right, right right now. But

971
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: I probably would have had Alex twentieth twenty two in

972
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: that ring, right. I mean I want to see it again,

973
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: of course, but he's trending in the right direction. But

974
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: I would not hesitate to pay him, no, I mean

975
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 1: what he's worth.

976
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 2: You see him out here working every day, ye see,

977
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 2: you know, and obviously they do That's what I'm saying

978
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 2: when I say you they see him out here working

979
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 2: every day.

980
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 1: They know what he puts into this. They know he's

981
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 1: not going to fall off the face of the earth.

982
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 1: I mean, it is a lot to invest in that

983
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: position because TJ deserves every penny, of course, But that

984
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you want fourth round picks off as a

985
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: TJ either, right, I mean.

986
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 2: A year after year, right, right, And at some point,

987
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 2: you know, you don't want to think about this, but

988
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: at some point TJ is going to start to decline

989
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 2: and you want you want to have that.

990
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: A nice How much different are they in age? I

991
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: don't want to say, like three years, three okay, and

992
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: I don't know in real years, I know, like in

993
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: the NFL experience. Okay, very cool. No, I think that's

994
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: the right move. You're probably a year away from drafting

995
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: one high. You know, maybe keep going.

996
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 2: Big here, maybe you know, maybe he turns into that guy.

997
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 1: And you keep the the Marcus Golden types in the loop,

998
00:43:58,640 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I think you're fine

999
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: for the next two three years at least. Yeah. Yeah,

1000
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 1: I think it's uh a three year deal something like that.

1001
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and get that kind of an overlap there where Okay,

1002
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 2: you got because you've got Watt for two more years

1003
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 2: or these this season and next season.

1004
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you know you can make a decision

1005
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: from there. And I know they blitz a lot and

1006
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: they're gonna play a lot of man and all that,

1007
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: but I'm invested in defensive front players. Yeah, you know.

1008
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: I mean, I want my money to blitz as much.

1009
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 2: You know, if I haven't blitzed as much in recent years.

1010
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 2: Last couple of years ago, two years ago was really light. Yeah,

1011
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 2: last year they were like eighth in the league. They

1012
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 2: had the blitz more when they didn't have what. When

1013
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 2: they have what, they don't blitz nearly as much.

1014
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: His his phenomenal year, they were middle of the road

1015
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: or under middle of the road in terms of blitzberg.

1016
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: So people think blitzberg. No. The other thing that I

1017
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 1: would love to find these numbers because I don't know

1018
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 1: where they're at. But they blitz. A definition of a

1019
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: blitz as you bring five or more. Yeah, yeah, and

1020
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: they often bring five, but which is becoming more and

1021
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: more common.

1022
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 2: They're all lined up on the front and that's what

1023
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 2: they do.

1024
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 1: That's what they're But I don't think they're six plus

1025
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: nearly as much as they were. They have Mike Hilton

1026
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 1: that type of right, or Vince Williams. Yeah, I got

1027
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,280
Speaker 1: a lot of questions about, like, how do they replace

1028
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: the Vince Williams, Mike Hilton Sacks. I'm like, well, I'm

1029
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: not sure they will, you know, I mean that not

1030
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: that way.

1031
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 2: They may have as many, but I mean the Landon

1032
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 2: Roberts can do that.

1033
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had four and a half last year.

1034
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 2: I mean he's pretty good at that. So you know,

1035
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 2: it depends on who's in there. You know, if it's

1036
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 2: Mark Robinsondeed, just say hey, run forward as.

1037
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: Fast as you can. I mean, I think you're gonna

1038
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 1: get him from Ogan, Jobi and Leo, and I think,

1039
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: oh those gobies prime for a much better year. I

1040
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: think he can have won six or something like that, right, right, right,

1041
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,760
Speaker 1: I mean that's more his career trajectory. Yeah, no, I agree.

1042
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 2: We're gonna take another break. He is Matt Williamson. I

1043
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,720
Speaker 2: am Dale Allie, and we are live from the Steelers

1044
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 2: Ota Sessions here. That will be wrapping up the practice

1045
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 2: session here pretty quickly, and that.

1046
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: Will do it for OTAs.

1047
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 2: They'll be in the books for twenty twenty three, but

1048
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 2: we'll be back with more an hour two right after

1049
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Speaker 2: this