WEBVTT - Draft Show: Trusting The Tape More This Year? 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:10.600 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your 0:00:10.720 --> 0:00:14.360 war room for incenter news and draft analysis from deep 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:18.240 within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star in Fresco, 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:25.480 Dallas Cowboys like d Lamb and now your hosts Dane Brugler, 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:42.440 Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin Turner and Kyle Yeomans on we are 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:47.360 just fifty five days away from the NFL Draft as 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:50.839 we continue on this long off season journey that is 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:53.840 the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. It's a brand 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:56.400 new Thursday edition. We're glad you're along with us here 0:00:56.520 --> 0:01:00.920 on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Kyle Yeoman's alongside Dame Brugler, 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:04.880 Jeff Cavanaugh, and the great Kevin kat Turner as always 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:07.720 here on this Thursday. Guys were starting to get close. 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:09.640 We talked about it on Tuesday with the other group 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:13.200 of guys. But the combine now should be quote unquote 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:15.240 in the rear view mirror. But there's still a lot 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:19.160 of information gathering to be done because protas are on 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:22.880 the horizon, Dane, and it continues to be an offseason 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:27.399 and a draft process really unlike any other. Yeah, that continues. 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:31.119 We had the combine list come out this week, which 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:34.880 is interesting because it means not quite as much this 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:38.520 year without having a combine. Now you know it'll mean 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:42.920 something because you know, a you in terms of the medicals, 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:48.120 that's that's something that will be funneled through the process 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:52.760 and then you know, be it gives us a better 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:56.000 idea of some of the players that are a lot 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:58.480 of NFL teams are looking at and some of the 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:02.760 players that maybe they're are not very high on. UM. 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:06.920 And you know, we have around thirty uh non combine 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:10.200 guys get drafted every year, and then it'll probably happen 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:13.200 this year even though it is a little different. Um. 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:16.280 But it's just it's just everything's unprecedented. And as we 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:18.480 kind of work our way through, we got Pro days 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:21.600 gonna be starting up here um next week, um, and 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:24.640 those gonna run all the way through April, and you know, 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:27.400 just talking to people around the league how it's gonna work, 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:30.320 it's just it's really interesting. They're gonna kind of break 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:33.679 it up in the regions. Um, and just with how 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:36.640 the scouts are gonna travel to these pro days, just 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:39.880 really interesting as they try to navigate through all this. 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:43.400 So um, you know, we're still gonna get all the height, weight, speed, 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:46.720 We're still gonna get all the agility numbers. Uh, you know, 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:49.079 and it's it's gonna be weird because we're gonna be 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:52.240 hearing a lot of numbers coming out of uh, you know, 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:57.680 workout facilities too, and you know, it's some of them 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:00.480 are probably are pretty close, some of them are probably bogus, 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.200 and so you know, hopefully these guys choose to run 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:07.520 at the pro day and don't just rely on what 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:10.120 they are what they're doing at their facilities. So just 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:15.480 a really really interesting part of this weird draft process. Jeff, 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:17.400 how tough do you think it is to kind of 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:19.919 balance those two because in the past, we've had kind 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:24.280 of that easy comparison between these players and sometimes even 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:26.600 getting to see them back to back and getting to 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:28.840 see these different workouts, and then all of a sudden, 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:31.200 you don't have that and you have to go by region, 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:33.320 you have to break it up across the country. And 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:35.960 now it's tougher on these scouting departments to really kind 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:40.520 of compare guys, especially whenever it comes to the same position. Yeah, 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:42.760 and I think the only tough part is that it's 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:45.119 not as standardized because it's not all at the same 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:48.400 place on all the same things. And maybe if you're 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:51.080 talking about electronics and lasers, teams are going to be 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:54.440 comfortable with that anyway. But I've seen numbers that are 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:57.760 coming out of these the workout facilities where guys are training, 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:01.600 and I just kind of grant, like, everybody's super fast, 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:04.600 everybody's incredible, and I'm just like, all right, yeah, okay, 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:07.280 we get handheld timers that are going real well for 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:10.280 you guys. So yeah, I think it's I think the 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:13.160 challenges that it's no longer going to be. I mean, 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:15.880 I guess like dating, it's still gonna be standardized, right, Like, 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:18.160 they're not gonna be hand timing at the like look 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:22.440 scouts will, But we're gonna get standardized numbers off of 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:26.960 off of a lasers, aren't we. I mean, I don't know, 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:30.000 because they're not gonna be able to do standardized you know, 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:32.680 lasers at every single pro day. It's just not feasible. 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:38.280 And so for just continuity purposes, are they going to 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:41.359 do hand times? Probably? I mean a lot of teams 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:44.440 they use hand times anyways, even with the combine, they'll 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:47.599 you know, just and they do that so they can 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:51.240 have apples to apples comparisons with how they time at 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:54.520 pro days. So h you know, I don't, I don't. 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:56.800 I don't feel really, I'm not really confident that we're 0:04:56.800 --> 0:05:02.760 gonna have, you know, the standardized part of the process. Katy, 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:04.520 Do you think it's more of a Trust the Tape 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:08.200 type of year than any that we've seen so far. Yeah. 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:10.400 I mean my friends Dane and Jeff used to do 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:13.640 a podcast it was very popular called Trust the Tape. 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:17.599 And there's a guy Why I asked you that question. Yeah, 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:20.359 Like there's a reason that podcast wasn't called Trust the 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:23.640 Pro Day or Trust the Calm Dine or Trust his 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:27.080 names were taken. Those were all taken. Trust the milk 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:29.720 in my fridge after the expiration day. There's a reason 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:32.280 they didn't entitle it. That's it's Trust the Tape. I 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:36.080 think the biggest challenge comes to your holdouts more than 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:38.039 I know. These numbers are important and things like that, 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:40.280 but I think when we start talking about people who 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:44.080 didn't play in twenty twenty, how are you convinced that 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:47.240 nothing changed from who they were in twenty nineteen. Hey, 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:49.359 that's what the challenge is. And also I think my 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:52.800 questions you see all these things like, um, okay, this 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:56.520 prospect as he's got a zoom meeting with the Colts 0:05:57.200 --> 0:06:00.360 and the Jaguars or whatever. It's like these play get 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:02.680 knocked if the if the players you can't really hear 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:04.600 them very well on their zoom, like they have a 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:06.760 bad zoom set up. Are you knocked in the prospect 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:08.640 because I think if you have a lot of patience 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:13.000 for that, if you Wi Fi can't pick him. What's 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:15.400 that poster on his wall behind him? Oh yeah, cross 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:17.919 him up the list. He's out. Yeah no, but he 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:20.040 didn't wear a suit to the to the zoom interview. 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:23.080 It's not going to happen. Um. With all of this 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:25.400 being said, though, I mean, there's so many different factors 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:27.760 that go into it anyways, and I feel like we've 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:30.800 always talked about it on this show previously. But it's 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:34.920 all going to verify what you've seen on tape. It's 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:38.120 all going to kind of supplement what you have on tape. 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:41.080 So nobody's ever going to, like, like KG just said, 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:44.680 trust the combine and trust the protas and things of 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:47.400 the sort. So that's the positive thing about it all. 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:49.440 And even with the opt outs, it'll be tougher, but 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:53.560 these the studying is still going on. But Dane, you 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:55.960 brought up a really fun thing in our in our 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:57.800 group message throughout the weekend. I kind of want to 0:06:57.839 --> 0:06:59.680 hit this in the first segment, and then in the 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:03.000 third segment we're gonna hit some offensive lineman because offensive 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:07.040 line is kind of an undersung position in this class, 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:08.920 and I think we definitely need to talk about it, 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:11.680 especially if you're the Cowboys with an offensive tackle. And 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:15.280 maybe some later rounds to try ensure up some depth. 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:18.080 But I want to talk about a roundtable segment that 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:20.160 you had an idea of, and it has to do 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:22.360 with three different things. It's the favorite player in the 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:26.240 class of study, prospect evaluation in this class that gives 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:29.960 the most trouble to everybody, and then your favorite player 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:31.840 comp And I think this will be fun because I 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:34.240 know all of these are different. But Dan, since you 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:35.840 came up with the idea, I'll let you go first, 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:38.360 and then I'll go with Kat next, and then I'll 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:41.440 round it out after Jeff. But who is your favorite 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:47.040 player in this class to study? So far? It's hard 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:50.840 to name just one. I think Zach Wilson. I've been 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:56.160 a big Zach Wilson fan since the fall. Just his 0:07:56.240 --> 0:08:00.720 ability off platform to make those spontaneous decisions and to 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:04.360 be naturally accurate on the move. It's just it's so impressive, 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:09.120 makes things happen. So Zach Wilson would definitely qualify Kyle Pitts. 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:12.360 I mean, I don't know that I could have an answer, 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:16.320 you know, for this and not mentioned Kyle Pitts with 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:19.160 just he's he's a cheek coat. You know. It's just 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:22.960 watching him make plays over defensive backs, watching him separate, 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:26.200 watching him just you know, be a boss out there, 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:28.760 is just it's just a lot of fun. So those 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:32.720 two guys immediately come to mind. Just talking about my 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:38.679 favorite guys the study so far this year. Yeah, I mean, 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:40.640 I think just to throw out some different names because 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:45.680 those are definitely fun guys. Obviously, Coromla from Notre Dame 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:47.640 is a lot of fun, just the way he flies around. 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:49.559 I want to just have a little fun. I want 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:51.880 to throw a running back in there, like Kenneth Gainwell 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:54.120 of Memphis was a lot of fun and just a 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:58.080 number of ways he was used, especially on the rare 0:08:58.080 --> 0:08:59.920 occasion that they would line him out if the X 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:03.600 wide receiver and throwing the ball, but like get little 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:05.400 things like oh, here's a wheel route. It was just 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:07.360 the way they used him a lot. Was fun to 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:09.760 watch it. And another one, I'll say, I'm just going 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:12.880 to the offensive line. I'm a big Deontay Brown fan. 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:15.800 Offensive guard, Like, if you wanna talk about just snapping 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:17.240 the ball and then beating the crap out of the 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:19.199 guy in front of you, I kind of like the 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:22.080 way Deontay Brown rolls, like I kind of want him 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:23.880 in my posse, to be honest, Like, have you ever 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:28.160 called them all three hundred and sixty five pounds of him? Yeah, 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:30.160 I think he's a good guy to have on your side. 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:32.199 Let's just put it that way. So I'm a big 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:33.959 Deontae Brown fan. He watched his film was a lot 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:43.840 of fun. Deef Our Darius Washington, sweet sweet art Darius 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:46.480 Washington the best safety in this draft class. Who's gonna 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:49.280 get picked? Who knows? Where? Is he gonna be picked 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:51.600 in the fourth round even though he's the best because 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:54.480 he's five foot eight, I think that's possible. And then 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.679 my other guy would be Divine Diablo because he's got 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:00.680 the best name in the class and he talks about 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:03.080 him but he's good on tape. He's just a two 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:05.920 hundred and almost thirty pounds safety, so I think that 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:08.440 throws people off, but I think he's a He's a 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:10.680 really good player, whether he's going to be a linebacker 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:12.679 or a safety at the next level. So I'm going 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:16.680 to safeties Sweet Sweet or Darius Washington aka Safety one 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:21.679 and Divine Diablo da quickly before we move on. I 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:24.720 want to hear your thoughts on Divine Diablo as well, 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:26.920 because I liked him going into the Senior Bowl. He 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:29.920 was one of my players to watch. Yeah, I mean, 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:34.040 he's a good player. I think he's probably early Day 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:35.960 three guy for me in terms of just where I 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:39.760 see him. He is a little bit of a tweener, 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:43.200 you know, a linebacker safety, But yeah, he runs well. 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:45.400 He's a former wide receiver. That's that's what he was 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:49.360 when he arrived at Blacksburg, So you see that at 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:52.280 times with his ability to play the ball. I just 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:54.400 I don't know that he is enough juice to hold 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:58.760 up in man coverage or even to make plays on 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:02.840 you know, passing lanes and own so I don't I'm 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:05.839 not one hundred percent sure what I'm doing with him. Uh, 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:09.160 you know, on base defense. But I think he's gonna 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:12.120 survive on special teams and think he's just a really 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:14.560 quality player that can round up my roster. I'm just 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:19.319 not sure what's his ceiling for me. So that's why 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:22.600 I have more of an early fourth, fifth, sixth somewhere 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:25.960 early day three on him. So I've got a really 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:28.760 easy answer for my favorite player to watch, And it 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:31.880 was just because a lot of people maybe forgot just 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:36.040 how dominant he was because twenty opt out. No, it 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:38.200 wasn't Jaylen Darden. I'm not gonna say that, I promise 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:43.000 I thought about saying it. Jamar Chase Lsu. How about 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:45.120 that wide receiver. I mean, the fact that he was 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:47.800 able to dominate NFL caliber corners the way that he 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:50.680 was as a redshirt sophomore just was unbelievable to me. 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:54.480 And then I was really sad when he opted out, 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:58.160 because I mean it allowed guys like Davante Smith and 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:00.560 Jalen Waddle to kind of take over. I mean, even 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:03.559 like another opt out in Rashi Bateman who came back 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:06.040 and then opted out again. I mean, they were the 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:08.200 ones that kind of took over college football. But I 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:10.320 think the year that jamar Ches would have had for 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:12.960 LSU would have been comparable to any of those, even 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:15.160 without Joe Burrow at quarterback, because I think he's just 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:18.880 a fantastic player overall, so I think he would probably 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:22.440 be my favorite. Now reversing the order a little bit here, Jeff, 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:25.319 who was the toughest player for you to tab this 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:29.160 year in the draft class? Oh, that is a great question. 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:31.240 Some of us don't prep as well for these segments 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:34.320 as others. So I'm currently looking at my list of players. 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:42.680 Toughest guy andre Cisco, Syracuse safety, Okay, because I know 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:44.360 there's people that like him, and I know that in 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:46.760 theory he's hyper athletic, and I know that he had 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:49.959 a ton of interceptions. But then I watched his tape 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:51.920 and I don't think I've seen a safety give up 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:55.160 more big plays than andre Cisco. So I don't know, 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:57.240 is somebody going to pick him in the top fifty 0:12:57.360 --> 0:13:02.000 because he's an athletic guy with a history of creating turnovers? 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:05.120 Or do you just say, guys, I don't want him 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:07.800 because the number of and this is run plays, pass 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:12.760 plays underneath deep like andre Cisco's tape. I just kept typing, 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:15.640 You're the last line of defense. What are you doing? 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:20.640 So I'll say, Andre Cisco, who I'm trusting the tape 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:22.880 and i put him in the fourth or fifth round, 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:25.320 and I'm sure he's going to go higher than that, 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:29.280 but it happens. Plus he's coming off the acl which 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:32.360 is another you know, obviously that doesn't that's not as 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:35.560 damning as you know, maybe fifteen years ago, but still 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:38.720 every every knee responds differently. So just something else that 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:43.280 is important for Cisco's evaluation. I mean, I think you 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:45.880 you got him nailed. I think just in terms of, yeah, 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:47.880 he'll he'll make big plays, but he gets up big plays, 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:50.439 and so I think that's more of a style thing, 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:52.760 more of a preference, you know, And what do you want? 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:55.400 You know, what are you looking for in your safety? 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:57.800 A guy that is a little feast or famine, or 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:01.079 you want a more conservative player. You know, I was 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:04.880 watching a guy last night, Kayden Stearns, the Texas safety 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:08.480 that he's the exact opposite. He does not make a 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:10.920 lot of big plays, but he also doesn't give up 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:13.880 a ton of big plays either, because he's just so conservative. 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:16.240 And it's just you know, I don't I don't know 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:18.880 that that's my style either as a safety. So it's 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:25.480 just an interesting juxtaposition between those two guys. Tats. Yeah. 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:28.280 I mean for me, there's there's quite a few names, 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:30.200 but one I would only want to throw out is 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:33.240 Bobby Brown, the defensive vineman from Texas A and M. 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:35.480 Because you know, you're watching it and when you see 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:37.880 the flashes, you go wow, and then you go why 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:41.040 doesn't that happen more often? And there are plays when, 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:43.520 quite frankly, it just looks like he's not trying hard. 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:46.560 And I don't know if that's the case. Maybe he's tired, 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:49.240 maybe he was banged up, those types of things. But 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:52.760 Bobby Brown was a very up and down evaluation for me. 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:54.880 And when you're talking about putting a guy in your 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:57.760 top one hundred or or you know, maybe trying to 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:00.320 get this guy to be a Day two pick, you know, 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:02.840 I'm not sure Bobby Brown was consistent enough for me 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:05.320 to take him on, you know, the third round. So 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:07.680 I mean, that's there's a there's a lot there to like. 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:10.520 I would definitely consider him in that third or fourth 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:12.640 round range. But Bobby Brown was an evaluate It was 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:15.200 a frustrating watch. I guess I'll put it was very 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:21.440 up and down. Dang. Uh So I've got a few 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:28.720 Um that's uh. I mean for those young evaluators out there, 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:31.600 I mean, let this segment kind of be a lesson. 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:33.600 You know, don't get discourage when you watch a player 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:34.920 and you're just like, I don't know what to do 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:38.960 with him, because it's okay. That happens a lot. Um. 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:41.160 Some guys are just confusing and it's just gonna take 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:43.120 a lot more work and homework to figure him out. 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:47.080 Like for me, Anthony Schwartz, is that guy from Auburn, UM. 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:50.840 This is one of the fastest humans in this country. Um. 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:55.040 He in high school you ran a ten point zero 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:59.080 seven in one hundred meters, Jeff? Is that fast? I 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:01.040 mean yeah, you would think he would be on pace 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:02.880 to be running in the Olympics in a year or two. 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:06.160 That was his goal. I mean he ran at Auburn, UM. 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:08.720 You know, he he was a two sport athlete at Auburn. 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:11.360 He set a few sec records. I think he was 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:14.360 sixty five nine in the sixty meters. Um. I mean, 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:16.280 the guy can fly, there's just no doubt about it. 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:18.240 But just real quick Dane. Like when you see high 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:20.280 school guys, and they're talking about the fastest guys in 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:23.200 the country in football. You're gonna see like ten four, 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:29.000 ten five. Yeah, that's that's blazing. That flying ten o 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:34.120 seven is stupid. It's it's ridiculous. Uh uh. He won 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:36.520 the silver medal and the hundred meters at the World 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:40.560 Championships as a senior in high school in Finland. Um 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:43.280 and just I mean, this guy is just ridiculous. Uh 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:48.120 and uh, just that. And it translates to the football field, 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:52.920 but it translates speed wise, but not big play wise. Um. 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:54.560 And so a guy with that type of speed, you 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:57.800 would expect all these these big plays, either on as 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:01.800 a return man or you know, the just underneath plays 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:04.439 that he's able to stretch out a stride and you know, 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:09.120 take eighty yards or just winning deep. But looking at 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:11.120 his as his film, it was just a lot of 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:14.920 you know, a lot of feast or famine. I mean 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:20.160 he was looking at I just blame well And that's 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:22.200 exactly that's part of it. That's part of it too. 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:26.199 So you know, looking at his his his tape of 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:29.800 his one hundred and seventeen catches, only nine point four 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:32.840 percent of them resulted in a play twenty five yards 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:35.120 or more. I mean, that's just that's not the that's 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:36.800 not the percentage the odds that you want to see 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:38.800 from a player at this type of speed. But yes, 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:42.800 you factor in he's a young player who uh you know, 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:46.040 was also a track athlete at Auburn. So in the offseason, 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:48.920 he's not training for football, he's not working out with football, 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:52.800 he's training with track and obviously two different sports with 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:58.439 two different uh you know, conditioning process and in preparation. Um, 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:01.159 now that he's football only, is Zach going to be 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:04.480 able to improve? You know, what's his ceiling on the 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:09.400 football field. It's it's a really interesting evaluation because there's 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:11.359 a lot of projection there. Where do you feel comfortable 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:15.120 drafting him? And then a guy on the defensive side 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:20.280 of the ball, Chris Rump at a duke, really really 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:25.000 interesting because he didn't start playing. His dad, longtime college 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:30.399 in NFL defensive coach, defensive coach at defensive coordinator at Florida, 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:33.560 now is in the NFL with the Bears, is their 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:38.159 defensive line coach. Really extensive background in coaching at a 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:41.840 high level, but he didn't let his son, Chris Rump 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:44.080 the second, he didn't allow him to play football until 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:46.280 high school, and so he was one hundred and seventy 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:50.800 pound junior in high school and so just way behind 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:55.440 in terms of his body in terms of just football development. 0:18:56.280 --> 0:18:59.040 Goes to Duke and the last two years this guy 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:02.640 was was hard to lock U thirty four total passes 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:05.840 or tackles for a loss, But I don't know what 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:07.879 to do with them because he's undersized and he's a 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:11.040 liability in the run game. Once blockers get their hands 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:13.760 on him, they can shut him down fairly easily. So 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:16.960 where are you playing him? Is he a sub package guy? 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:19.399 Or can can you get something out of him as 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:22.960 an off ball player in early downs? I'm just trying 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:26.560 to figure out his exact role is really tough. I 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:30.320 think you know, we talk about, um, you know, gadget 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:33.680 players on offense. You know, we don't talk enough about 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:36.000 gadget players on defense. You know we don't. We don't 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:39.600 use that term for defenders. To me, Rough is a 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:42.800 gadget player. You know. However you want to use him, 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:45.560 I think there's definitely value there. You just have to 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:48.119 figure out the right role, the right way to deploy him, 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:50.640 because I mean, he has speed. Um, you know, he's 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:53.040 got a knack for finding the crease and you know, 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:55.800 creating havoc in the backfield. Just it's a lot of 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:59.600 fun to watch. But trying to nail down his exact 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:01.320 project action at the next levels a little bit of 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:05.760 a challenge. I like it real quickly. I'm going to 0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:10.879 get my back to back starting with the comp player, 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:15.639 or excuse me, starting with my toughest to evaluate, and 0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:18.239 that's Jason Away, edge rusher out of Penn State. And 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:20.600 the reason why is because I want to love the 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:23.280 traits and I do, and I want to love the film, 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:25.240 and I try and talk myself into loving the film. 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:27.199 But he also didn't have a sack at all this 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:29.880 past season, and I know there wasn't necessarily a whole 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:31.719 lot to work with on that Penn State defense. They 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:33.680 really struggled on that side of the football this year 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:36.360 without Michael Parsons back there, without some of the other 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:39.199 guys that like a geter, grossmatos and players that had 0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:42.399 left previously. But he has every single bit of the 0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:46.720 tools available to potentially make it and be successful in 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:48.760 the NFL. I've still tapped him as one of my 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:50.840 top edge rushers, but it was still kind of tough 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:52.840 for me to really look at it and say, I 0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:54.320 think he's going to get to the quarterback in the 0:20:54.440 --> 0:20:57.640 NFL whenever he didn't have a single sack in twenty twenty. 0:20:57.840 --> 0:21:01.400 My favorite comp other than Dane Brugler's comp of Carlos 0:21:01.400 --> 0:21:04.520 Basham junior where he comped him to Marcus Davenport earlier 0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:07.200 in the year. I love that comp Dane, by the way, 0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:09.919 so props to you on that one. I tweeted this 0:21:09.960 --> 0:21:13.480 out though, Quincy Roche edge rusher out of Miami. I 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:16.120 compared him to Bradley and I, and I think Roche's 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:19.640 way better than and I, But I also I think 0:21:19.640 --> 0:21:22.760 they win in certain ways. They were both uber productive 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:27.359 during their collegiate ten years, and then all of a sudden, Roche, 0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:30.760