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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Paulie brought this up last week, and I

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Speaker 1: think he brought it up to JJ Watt, and Pauli said,

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Speaker 1: you know what JJ Watt should do the old school

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Speaker 1: high school three hats and you're in a gymnasium and

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Speaker 1: bleachers behind you, and you say I'm gonna go, and

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Speaker 1: then you put on the hat and everybody cheers. Well,

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Speaker 1: JJ sort of took that and modified it. This is

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Speaker 1: what he had to say about how he was going

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Speaker 1: to pick his cardinal shirt for the workout. So he

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Speaker 1: brought in weightlifting into the new shirt that he was

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Speaker 1: going to wear to designate the team he was going to.

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Speaker 1: We hadn't known like kind of the final you know,

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Speaker 1: four or five teams. We had an idea of who

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Speaker 1: the final four or five teams were. So I had

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Speaker 1: shirts for each team order just in case, you know,

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Speaker 1: the situation arose. But we were trying to keep this

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Speaker 1: so quiet that I didn't trust whoever at the packaging

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Speaker 1: facility would not see my name on the package. And

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Speaker 1: put two and two together, and so I had my

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Speaker 1: brother's high school friend use his credit card and his address,

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Speaker 1: and he shipped the shirts to his house. So shout

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Speaker 1: out to Doug and Joe for making this happen. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you guys. They're they're the true brains behind the

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Speaker 1: shirt that I wore for the workout. All right, So

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Speaker 1: JJ watt kind of clandestine, surreptitiously. You should have gotten

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Speaker 1: a shout out Pauli at the press conference. Not about me, Dan,

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Speaker 1: it's about us. Well, I would prefer it's about you.

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Speaker 1: Then it could have been about us. But that would

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Speaker 1: have been great if he would have said, you know,

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Speaker 1: my friend. He didn't have to say who you're affiliated with?

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Speaker 1: No last name to say, I want to shout out

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Speaker 1: to Paulie, Dougie Pauly. He suggested that we do three hats,

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Speaker 1: when I thought, no, I don't want to do that.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do three shirts and then I'll do four

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Speaker 1: shirts and then I want to do some weightlifting there

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Speaker 1: so I can show off my traps. Yes, poll Yeah,

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Speaker 1: no surprise though, JJ went from hat to a tight

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Speaker 1: s medium sure to show off the traps and the guns.

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Speaker 1: What kind of poll question? Who's sitting on the poll

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Speaker 1: question today? Like there's a back row collaboration something happened

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Speaker 1: this morning. I was driving up as I always do,

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Speaker 1: and I came up with a really good poll question

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Speaker 1: and then no, no, that doesn't happen at all. Well,

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Speaker 1: in my mind it was good. And then I arrived

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Speaker 1: at work. I look at my inbox because I don't

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Speaker 1: check my phone from the car, and the poll question

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Speaker 1: I came up with is sitting there from one Todd, Fritz, Wait,

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Speaker 1: you're willing to admit that you and Fritzy are on

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Speaker 1: the same wavelength on one of the three. The other

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Speaker 1: two pole questions were terrible, of course, but the first

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Speaker 1: one he had was the same thing. I was thinking. Okay,

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Speaker 1: if I'm a Houston Rockets fan, there're thirty five hundred

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Speaker 1: or show in attendance tonight, would I boo or cheer

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Speaker 1: James Harden? That I thought was an interesting question. Okay,

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Speaker 1: what would I do as a fan? Todd stole from me.

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Speaker 1: They're retiring his jersey tonight. Well, no, they said they

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Speaker 1: want to retire his jersey at some point. I don't

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Speaker 1: think is that happening tonight, the entire jersey. I have

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Speaker 1: to check that. I maybe not, but they are retiring

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Speaker 1: his jersey. Yeah, they announced that that's definitely in the lance.

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Speaker 1: So what I boo James Harden? You know, I I

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Speaker 1: don't know how a Houston Rocket fan feels any. He

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Speaker 1: did play hard well at times, never in a big game.

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Speaker 1: He was entertaining. The ending was horrible. You want to

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Speaker 1: boo him, boo him like, I don't care? Is he worth?

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Speaker 1: Is he a retired number worthy guy? Who's there? Actually

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Speaker 1: nine years? I didn't really Yeah, sure, I got yeah,

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Speaker 1: I guess, But I don't understand. You're so you used

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Speaker 1: to love, not that you don't love James Harding. You

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Speaker 1: said he was the most unstoppable offensive player you've seen

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Speaker 1: three years. But he quit on his team. Every great

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Speaker 1: star quits on their team at some point, don't they.

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Speaker 1: That's an NBA thing? Ah wow? I mean he quit

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Speaker 1: during games and he's the one. Okay, if I throw

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Speaker 1: all of this into the croc pot and it is

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Speaker 1: a croc that he got there, great story. They almost

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Speaker 1: you know, they were formidable in Oklahoma City. He was

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Speaker 1: six men, got there, wanted his own team, got his money,

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Speaker 1: and then was able to build a roster. He was

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Speaker 1: out after after he kicked everybody out. Then he said, oh,

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Speaker 1: this is uh not fixable. I went out. I got

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Speaker 1: a problem with that. But isn't isn't that similar what

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Speaker 1: Lebron James did his first go around in Cleveland. He

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Speaker 1: the one of the early controversies with Lebron. Well, we

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Speaker 1: could probably have a different opinion about the other side

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Speaker 1: of the equation with the ownership there in Cleveland as well,

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Speaker 1: because Lebron came back to Cleveland for the city of Cleveland,

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Speaker 1: not that owner for sure. Yeah, but I think it's

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Speaker 1: a fine life. I don't think Lebron quit by way.

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Speaker 1: I think he realized it was not working. It did. Well,

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Speaker 1: Let's see if James Harden goes back in his career

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Speaker 1: and wins a title for Houston, because Lebron did come

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Speaker 1: But if you say that, he first of all, Lebron

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Speaker 1: couldn't get anybody to come to Cleveland. His buddy Chris

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Speaker 1: Bosh wouldn't even fly into Cleveland. I don't even know

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Speaker 1: if he would fly over Cleveland. He was like, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to Miami, and Lebron was looking around, going, okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm king James, I'm the chosen one. I'm all to

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Speaker 1: these things, but I'm not going to be a champion

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Speaker 1: on this roster. And that's when he went to Miami. Now,

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Speaker 1: if we want to get into the weeds and you

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Speaker 1: say that he quit on the team, at least he

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Speaker 1: got to the playoffs. If you're gonna say quit on

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Speaker 1: the team, James Harden didn't even get to the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: But this was an epic quit. This year's completely yes,

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Speaker 1: and that's why he can't be MVP. This year he

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Speaker 1: quit on his team and he wanted out. It's part

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Speaker 1: of the year I can't go. Well, you know, if

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Speaker 1: you just look at the Brooklyn Nets, part of this. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's MVP, and he is and I do love watching

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Speaker 1: him play, and I am fascinated by what he does.

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Speaker 1: In fifty years i've been watching the NBA, James Harden's

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Speaker 1: on the short list of most fascinating players of how

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Speaker 1: he does it. Now I will say this, the guy

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Speaker 1: who gets as much attention as he does has done

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Speaker 1: less in big games than most of your superstars. In

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Speaker 1: the fifty years I've been watching the NBA, James Harden

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Speaker 1: does not come up big at all at all. Now,

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Speaker 1: maybe this year, with some help with Durant Guyrie, maybe

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Speaker 1: he does. But if you want to retire his jersey,

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Speaker 1: I just don't. I've moved past James Harden in the

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Speaker 1: Houston Rockets, like all right whatever. Still love watching him

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Speaker 1: play for the Nets. He was unbelievable the other night,

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Speaker 1: and I don't want anybody to misconstrue this. I love

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Speaker 1: watching him play. I just can't be on board with

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Speaker 1: and then says I want out. I can't be on

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Speaker 1: board with that. You're not an MVP, no way. Is

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Speaker 1: there a distinction, Like Deshaun Watson is quitting on the Texans,

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Speaker 1: but it's totally different. Right because it's offseason, I don't

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Speaker 1: know what is at the core of all of this.

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Speaker 1: I have a problem with Deshaun Watson. I truly do.

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Speaker 1: Signed up DeAndre Hopkins was already gone and you were

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Speaker 1: happy as you were brought to tears and then all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, what happened? Like did you find out

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Speaker 1: the politics of your owner and that was part of this?

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Speaker 1: Like I don't know diversity? Did did You're not bringing

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Speaker 1: in the people I want? Okay? Like I want to

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Speaker 1: know what is the biggest reason why Deshaun Wantson wants out.

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Speaker 1: I'm truly curious about that because I go back to

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Speaker 1: that press conference. I watched that press conference the other day.

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Speaker 1: I watched on Sunday, and I went he couldn't be happier,

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Speaker 1: more appreciative. What happened off the field? Was it simply

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Speaker 1: so with Eric Bienemy? I mean, is that what it's

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Speaker 1: all about, because it feels like it was more than that. Yeah, mccluban,

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Speaker 1: what if he has lied to and they said you're

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Speaker 1: Is that possible justification? Well? Can you go back to

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Speaker 1: him and say, we apologize, we apolog truly apologize, and

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Speaker 1: him that power at twenty five. Never. But if you

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Speaker 1: you to want out. That seems like a stretch. It does,

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Speaker 1: But that's at the core of all of this is

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Speaker 1: off the field. But what is it. You brought in

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Speaker 1: little bit of a relationship with. You didn't get Robert

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Speaker 1: Sala who went to the Jets, Eric b Enemy. You

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Speaker 1: interviewing him, interview him. Everybody got interviewed this year. Jason

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Speaker 1: Garrett got interviewed this year. It can't hurt. But whatever

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Speaker 1: that is, I'm curious about that with just on watch.

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Speaker 1: By the way, when when you talk about Houston sports,

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Speaker 1: mean Chris Paul, DeAndre Hopkins, Russell Westbrook, James Harden, Garrett Cole,

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Speaker 1: day too. I think for the Blue Jays. Yeah, it's great,

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Speaker 1: going back to his old team. It's like if you

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Speaker 1: a fine job. He's doing the work. It's all great,

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Speaker 1: it's like it looks beautiful. And then right before he finishes,

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Speaker 1: and he leaves you the big pile of mess. And

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Speaker 1: then you see him at the local pub. How'd you

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Speaker 1: like the kitchen I built? Yeah, you didn't finish the job.

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Speaker 1: You didn't build a kitchen. You tore out of here,

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Speaker 1: left me with a big old mess. And and how

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Speaker 1: how do you think the Houston fans are gonna be tonight?

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Speaker 1: They're not gonna or tomorrow whatever it is. They're gonna

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Speaker 1: be this SALTI about what happened recently. They're not gonna

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Speaker 1: calm down and think about what he did for them

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Speaker 1: in the past five years. Yeah, it's up to them.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how you take it. I mean that's part

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Speaker 1: these teams, with these players and how important they are

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Speaker 1: and how important they are to your city. Like we

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Speaker 1: always love that civic pride, like my team. As if

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Speaker 1: you're part of the team, Well, you're just a fan.

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Speaker 1: You want to boo James Harden. Boo James Harden. You

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Speaker 1: know what, let me say James Harden. It won't matter.

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Speaker 1: They won't matter. Now if he gets booed at the

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Speaker 1: strip club after the game, then he might care. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: mclub doesn't time always heal. These woms like five and

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Speaker 1: Green Bay were on the Alps for a few years. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so like I know you like you probably have talked

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Speaker 1: Chris Paul on the floor. I can't put my hand

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Speaker 1: on it, finger on it, but it's there. It's real.

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00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,919
Speaker 1: And to have a young team there and it feels

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Speaker 1: like they're they're in it for the long haul this season. Absolutely,

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00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 1: I think it's a great assessment on your part. Listen,

428
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Speaker 1: leadership right now. You know, sometimes we get caught up

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Speaker 1: in stats, right and got oh, he's averaging almost a

430
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Speaker 1: triple double status. It's like football stats are a little

431
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 1: skewed right now, right because if you wouldn't looked at

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Speaker 1: a quarterback from the seventies or the eighties and you

433
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:16,679
Speaker 1: just looked at their numbers, there's no way in hell

434
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,640
Speaker 1: they're getting Hall of Famer there, right because they're not throwing.

435
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 1: They're not putting up the numbers. They didn't throw it

436
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: sixty times a game back then fifty times a game.

437
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 1: And in basketball, Similarly, the numbers are a little skewed,

438
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 1: you know, scorings way up, the rule changes, all those

439
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 1: things have played a role at it. And so I

440
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: always tell people when you're looking at it, to me,

441
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 1: the biggest status wins and losses, and like right now,

442
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: you know, if you want to talk about the real

443
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: MVP contenders to meet, Chris Paul's clearly top five, maybe higher.

444
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Speaker 1: To the point you made a young team, he's teaching

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Speaker 1: a team how to win. Like you made a great point.

446
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 1: Everybody wins in the league when they play their best.

447
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 1: The really good teams can win when they dune. And

448
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 1: last night was indicative of that. For Phoenix, they win

449
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: a game when they didn't play their best. Their most

450
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 1: talented player gets tossed, but they still figured out a way.

451
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: And Chris Paul's stats don't blow your way last night,

452
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 1: you know. But a lot of leadership has nothing to

453
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: do with the game. It's preparations, it's connection, it's trust,

454
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: it's accountability, it's all these other things that he has

455
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: brought there. They were on the verge of making a step,

456
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: but and the other thing, and you noticed the people

457
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 1: don't understand the way of expectations you know, so look

458
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 1: at Denver and look at Dallas coming into this year,

459
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,479
Speaker 1: high expectations, right because of based on what they did

460
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: last year, and they struggled early and there are reasons

461
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 1: why you got guys out of injury, blah blah blah.

462
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,479
Speaker 1: But the reality is they hadn't performed like a lot

463
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 1: of people thought. Phoenix had the same expectations. They won

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Speaker 1: all eight games in the bubble. You know, Davin Booker's

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Speaker 1: playing to m They bring in Chris Paul, a lot

466
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: of expectations, and up until a couple of days ago,

467
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 1: they had the fourth best record in the league. So

468
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: to me, that's value. That's what value is. To me.

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00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: It's not just what stats are guys giving you. It's

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Speaker 1: the impact he's having on your organization in terms of winning.

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00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: And Chris Paul has done that in spades. And yeah,

472
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: the Lakers will tell you. Look, they didn't not only

473
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: did not have anything, they didn't have Kyle Kuzmen either.

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00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: I mean, it's tough. They're still but if Lebron's on

475
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 1: the floor, they still have a chance to win. We

476
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: all know that. So give Phoenix a lot of credit.

477
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 1: They're a really good basketball team and they're also really

478
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Speaker 1: good at winning time, which is even more important than

479
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 1: that speaks to the impact of a guy like Chris Paul.

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Speaker 1: It's always great to mix it up with you, Greg.

481
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 1: I hope you're well. I'm doing great. Probably the eighteen

482
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: foot jumper, it's about it right in fifteen to eighteen. Yeah.

483
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: I take my youngest son out in the back you know,

484
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Speaker 1: on the who here at the house, and I can

485
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 1: still whenever I need to build up my confidence, I

486
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 1: take him out and kick his ass, you know, like

487
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 1: just but he's only four though, Greg, that's the thing.

488
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: Al he's nine, Okay. I had to stop playing my

489
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: older struck about five six years ago because he was

490
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: he was kicking my tail too often. What was that like, though?

491
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: When when, Cole, When when you realize that your son

492
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: was better than you? Oh? Man, he was. It's about

493
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: six seven years ago, and uh, we're playing in the backyard,

494
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be on because like at this point

495
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: physically he had matured right, and so he was quicker, stronger,

496
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: He's just better, but I still had experience. So I'm

497
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: battling it and he wins the first game, so we

498
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: do it best two at three We're tied at point

499
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: on the second game. Then I both my achilles and

500
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: ham strings felt like they were about to tear, and

501
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: the only out I had was I said, look, I'm

502
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: gonna have to call it right now because I don't

503
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: want to risk injury for fear of ruining my golf game.

504
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: I said, so we're gonna call us or watch, and

505
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 1: he lost it because he's like, no, I'm up and

506
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: we're tired. I said that he's like, this is not

507
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: a watch. But I never acknowledged that he won. But

508
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 1: I will say he had good He had a good

509
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: chance of winning that day if we were able to finish,

510
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,239
Speaker 1: but the game got called to it. And he's doing

511
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: pretty well with Orlando, averaging eleven a game in his

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Speaker 1: rookie season. Good well, thank you for joining us, Greg,

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00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: We appreciate it as always fun. Anytime, my friend, you'd

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Speaker 1: be saved. That's Greg Anthony, TNT NBA TV analyst. Thanks

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00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure

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Speaker 1: to catch us live every weekday morning nine until noon

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00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: eastern six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, and

518
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: you can find us on the iHeartRadio app, at FSR

519
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: or stream us live on the Peacock app Last night

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00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: was Jokich's fiftieth career triple double fifty already. Over the

521
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: last twenty seasons, there have been seventy seven triple doubles

522
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Speaker 1: by seven footers. Jokich has fifty of the seventy seven.

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Speaker 1: Here is numbers out last three games nineteen eleven and thirteen,

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Speaker 1: thirty nine, fourteen and nine, thirty seven, ten and eleven.

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00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: But McLevin falls asleep watching joke it wlay. Oh, he's

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00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: a great outlet passer. Oh man, let me fire up

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00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: YouTube for that. You just don't understand basketball, the purity,

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00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: the you know. Ah, let me bring in a purist.

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00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: Jay billis ESPN College Basketball. Honest, how would you answer

530
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: that when people say Jokich is boring? If you think

531
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: greatness is boring, what are you gonna do? It's kind

532
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: of like Ben Crenshaw was a boring putter. He just

533
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: made them all like, what are you gonna say? Yeah?

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00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: This is what I deal with, though, Jay, every day,

535
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: I can only do so much entertaining a nation in

536
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: these three hours. And I did make the Dennets aware

537
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: of one of your great acting performances. You were in

538
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: the White Shadow and you were in high school I

539
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: believe at the time no lines in there, but you

540
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: did give me the smirk that led me to believe

541
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Speaker 1: that you could have been a great Duke basketball player.

542
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: After seeing that smirk as if it was a bad

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00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: call or Coach K's yelling at you. Explain how you

544
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: got the role in one of our favorite shows, The

545
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: White Shadow. Well, that was my high school basketball team

546
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Speaker 1: that played the opposing team to Carver High School in

547
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: that episode. And one of my high school teammates, Matt Baker,

548
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: who I grew up playing with. His father, Dick Baker,

549
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: was the head coach at Loyal and Merrymount years ago

550
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: and was a technical consultant for the show The White

551
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: Shadow because of his basketball experience that he had been

552
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Speaker 1: an extra in all these great shows back then like

553
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Speaker 1: Mannix and The six Million Dollars Man and all that stuff,

554
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: and so he got us on the show, and uh,

555
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: and I just happened to be the one that they

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00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: picked for the coach to yell at. Apparently I had

557
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: that kind of face that you know, and it was

558
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: also foreshadowing for my college career. One that was that

559
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: was basically every halftime in post game of my college career,

560
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: the coach k would wear me out. But um, that

561
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: that was you know, that was nineteen seventy nine, I think,

562
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: and none of us knew that that was The White Shadow.

563
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: You remember, was one of the most popular shows on television,

564
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: And none of us knew that all the guys in

565
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,719
Speaker 1: that show were like in their thirties, and we had

566
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: no idea. We thought Coolidge was our age or Salami

567
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: was our age. And we're talking to these guys. They're

568
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: lighting up a cigarette in between takes, and we're going, yeah,

569
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: my mom's picking me up after this, you know how

570
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: you getting home? We couldn't Coolidge play. He was the

571
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: only one that could. They had on the sound stage

572
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: where where those games were. The court was really small,

573
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: and they would just run the camera on a dolly

574
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: opposite the direction the team was coming, so it made

575
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: it look like it was a regular, regular chord. And

576
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: then they had a ramp for the guys to dunk

577
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: off of. But but Coolidge was really the only guy

578
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: that could play. And then they had a guy that

579
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: would come in named Wolf Perry who played for Stanford

580
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: and was a great player, but he wasn't I don't

581
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: think one of the regulars on the show, but the

582
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,959
Speaker 1: other guys couldn't couldn't play dead. Did you get Did

583
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: you get paid? I don't remember. I don't think we did.

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00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: I was later remember the Screen Actors Guild because I've

585
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: done commercial work, and then I did a movie. I

586
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: played an alien cop in a movie in the late eighties.

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Speaker 1: But I don't remember whether we got paid. It was

588
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: only a couple of days that we did that, and

589
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: we were extras. We might have gotten a few bucks,

590
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: but I just don't remember. Wasn't the line I leave

591
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Speaker 1: in I go in peace, I leave in piece, you

592
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: leave in pieces or something like that. Yeah. So the

593
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: movie that this was in the eighties, late eighties, Um,

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00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: it was called I Come in Piece. It was originally

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Speaker 1: entitled Dark Angel. It was a Dolph Langern movie. And

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00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,959
Speaker 1: I played an alien cop that was chasing around an

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Speaker 1: alien drug dealer. So the alien drug dealer's line was

598
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: before he killed somebody, was I come in peace. You know,

599
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: he was a lying alien in addition to being a

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00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: drug dealer. And but my lines were I had a

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00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: death scene in the back of a car that really

602
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: brought tears to everyone's eyes, just an amazing. Sir Lawrence

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00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: Olivier complimented me on it, thought it was better than

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00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: the death scene and Camille. So it was the only

605
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: bad part is I couldn't couldn't be in the sequel.

606
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: But did you have lines? Oh yeah, I had a

607
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: lot of lines. Um, I got I got h like

608
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: I think they called it single card credit back then,

609
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: and it was. It was such a bizarre thing for

610
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Speaker 1: me to have gotten that part in the movie. And

611
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: I was so giddy about it, like like, you know,

612
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: I had been handed this golden ticket type of deal.

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Speaker 1: And then I realized afterwards that that movie was a

614
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: big break for a lot of actors that were in

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00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: the film. And and I was early on, I was

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00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: treating this like it was some kind of lark. And

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00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 1: then I took it a lot more seriously after that,

618
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: when I realized these guys, this is their career and

619
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Speaker 1: for me, you know, I kind of just got lucky.

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00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: Is that a volleyball over your right shoulder? No, it's

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00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 1: a basketball. My wife is a professional artist. And when

622
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: the pandemic hit and this is my home studio where

623
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: I do you know, sports owner hit stuff like that,

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00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: and uh, and so when I was up here all

625
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: the time. She just decided, if I was going to

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00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: be stranded at my studio, I would have some If

627
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: I was going to be like Tom Hanks and castaway,

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00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 1: i'd have some companies. So she painted me my own,

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00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: my own Wilson And yeah, it was a basketball though

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00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: a Patriot's helmet. Yes, there's actually a story behind that.

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Speaker 1: When I was it was probably about ten to twelve

632
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,919
Speaker 1: years ago, I was playing golf with a friend of mine.

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Speaker 1: He has a mutual friend that happened to be Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady and his father, Tom Senior, and we're playing golf

635
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: in South Carolina and Tom Brady Senior asked me, Hey,

636
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: we're flying out of Charlotte tomorrow. Can you recommend a hotel?

637
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: And I told him, hey, look, why don't you stay

638
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: with me? And we're moving, My wife and family are

639
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: out of town. We're moving to a new house soon.

640
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: So it's a mess, but I'll take you to the

641
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: airport in the morning. And so I wound up putting

642
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: Tom Senior in my daughter's room. And then I was

643
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: gonna put you know, the Super Bowl MVP Tom Junior

644
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: in my uh in our guest room, and he said no, no,

645
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 1: I don't want to mess it up. And I'm like, dude,

646
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: we're moving, it's gonna be messed up tomorrow anyway. And

647
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: he said, no, i'll sleep, I'll sleep in this room,

648
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: and he picked my son's room. My son was like eleven,

649
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: and he had a twin bed in there, and so, okay,

650
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna argue with him, so he slept in

651
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: the bed. The next day, my wife calls and I said,

652
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: you won't believe this, but Tom Brady stayed overnight here,

653
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: and my son was like, are you kidding me? You know,

654
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: he wasn't there. I wasn't there. So I come home

655
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 1: from work one day, probably a week later, and he's

656
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: watching an old rerun of The Brady Bunch. Remember the

657
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: Brady Bunch, Yeah, And he's watching on Nickelodeon and he

658
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: says to me and he's like all mad, and he says,

659
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: everything works out for the Brady Bunch, and I'm like,

660
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? And he goes. Marshall lies

661
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: about knowing Davy Jones, and Davy Jones takes her to

662
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 1: the prom. Bobby lies about knowing Joe Namath, and Joe

663
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: Namath comes to his house and he goes, Tom Brady

664
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: slept in my bed and nobody believes me. And I

665
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: thought that was the funniest thing. And I called this

666
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 1: buddy mine that knew Brady. I told the story. We

667
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: got to laugh over it, and about ten days later,

668
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: this helmet comes to the house and it's it's signed

669
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: to my son. Anthony says to Anthony, you have the

670
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: best bed in Charlotte, Tom Brady twelve. I like it,

671
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: and I was like, that is the coolest thing anybody's

672
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: ever done for a kid. I couldn't believe how nice

673
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: that was. And anybody says anything mean about Brady, I'm

674
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: always like, no, you can dislike him as a player,

675
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: but that's one that's one straight up good dude. He's billis.

676
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: We were going to talk college basketball umbered it. You know,

677
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: this was this was better because I've watched college basketball

678
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 1: this year, but I don't know anything about college basketball.

679
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: I know, I know Gonzaga and Baylor, Michigan, but then

680
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: I thought I knew Michigan. I watched Illinois without their

681
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 1: best player dominate them. So if you were going to

682
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: give the cliff Notes version to somebody right now, a

683
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: couple of weeks before selection, Sunday, What would you say?

684
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: I would say that Gonzaga and Baylor and Michigan are

685
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: the three best teams. But they're the three best teams

686
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: because they're not only really good and can win the

687
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: whole thing, but they're the highest level consistent. I absent

688
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: that performance last night by by Michigan where they just

689
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: weren't prepared for a fight. And Big Ten team, the

690
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 1: Big Ten is the best conference. They've got the most

691
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: depth of teams that can make a final four, but

692
00:37:54,600 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: teams like Florida State can certainly do some damage. Houston's

693
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: pretty good and can do some damage in the tournament.

694
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: The one thing Dan that would I would caution sounds

695
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: like the wrong word, but that I would remind people

696
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: is because of the pandemic, we didn't have non conference

697
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: games where the little guy could show how good they are,

698
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: and so we're going to have some seeds in this

699
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: thing where the little guy's way better than we think.

700
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: And because we have we don't have the data of

701
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,720
Speaker 1: those games against the big shots, and so it seems

702
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: like they're not as good. But I'm not convinced that's true.

703
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: I think we're going to have some volatility in this

704
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: tournament that's going to come from us just not having

705
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,919
Speaker 1: seen the data of early season games where the little

706
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: guy got to take a swing at the big guy

707
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: and that's maybe that's going to be delicious and wonderful,

708
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: or maybe it's going to really piss us off. I

709
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 1: don't know what's going to happen. But I'm also wondering.

710
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: You know, people rail against Duke or Kentucky or Indiana, well,

711
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: Duke in Kentucky, but if they're not in the tournament,

712
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: or Michigan State's not in there, like, is it a

713
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: better tournament if other teams get an opportunity to be

714
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 1: on center stage as opposed to the normal blue bloods.

715
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: I would I would say, I mean there's a yes

716
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: and no to that question. I mean, I think more people.

717
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: It's almost like if you have a if you have

718
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 1: a World Series where you have two small market teams

719
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: playing in the World Series and the ratings are really low.

720
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: It's great to see that those teams compete, but at

721
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: the same time, not as many people are interested. So

722
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: without Duke Kentucky, if Michigan State doesn't keep winning, maybe

723
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 1: Michigan State doesn't make it. Kansas is firmly in the field.

724
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 1: But but Kansas isn't as good as they've been in

725
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: the past. They didn't win the Big twelve, Baylor won it,

726
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 1: So I think the tournament will be diminished in a way.

727
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: But you know, it's kind of like I liken it

728
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: to when Tiger Woods shot eighty one in the British

729
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: Open in that horrible weather that one year there was

730
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: it was compelling. It was compelling to watch that, and

731
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: I think it would be compelling even to watch these

732
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: teams struggle if they're not as good. Um. But but

733
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: I don't think we're gonna I mean, we're clearly not

734
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 1: gonna have Kentucky. There's no way they're gonna they're gonna

735
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: win their tournament to pull this out. Uh, And we're

736
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: probably it's fifty fifty whether we have Duke. I think

737
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: Michigan State will probably make it. I know Kansas will

738
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: make it. But but it's been a really odd year. Um.

739
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 1: What kind of pros are we looking at in the tournament. Well,

740
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: we've got some really good ones like Kid Cunningham. Oklahoma State.

741
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna make it, even though they're they're

742
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: under a one year postseason ban. Um, it's really bizarre

743
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 1: from that whole FBI thing. The most minimal of issues

744
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: got them a postseason ban. But it's under appeal, and

745
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: if the is odd as it sounds, if the appeals

746
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: committee doesn't here and rule on the appeal, by the tournament,

747
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State is going to play. Kate Cunningham is going

748
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: to be the first pick. He had forty the other

749
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 1: night in a game against Oklahoma. He's the real deal.

750
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 1: He's really good. Jalen Sugs of Gonzaga another sort of

751
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: one and done player, um and every but he seems

752
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: to be okay with one and done when it's a Gonzaga.

753
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,399
Speaker 1: They just don't like dude, like you know that it's

754
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: it's so weird, like you know, he goes and he's

755
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 1: a great kid. But some of these other guys but

756
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: but you know, Gonzaga, it's not an issue. But but

757
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 1: it's an issue of Kentucky and dude that's being blamed

758
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: for Kentucky Duke's problems this year as if the last

759
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: ten years didn't exist. And you know, this is the

760
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: only data point we have of one and done. But

761
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 1: they're they're a bunch of really good, really good pros

762
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: that we're gonna have and Corey Kisberg at at Gonzagi,

763
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: even though he's a senior, I think it's a lottery

764
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: pick and is probably under valued as a as a

765
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: truly great player in basketball that I think he's going

766
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: to play if he stays healthy ten twelve years in

767
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: the league and be a being a Sandy player. Is

768
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: Garza at Iowa's he uh, Jeff Rulan two point zero

769
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: different um you know back you know how different the

770
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: game was back then. I think Luca Garza is going

771
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: to play in the NBA. UM. His limitations are real though,

772
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: Like he's not he's not a defender. He doesn't play

773
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: above the rim, he doesn't finish above the rim U.

774
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: But he can step away and knock down shots and uh,

775
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: and he's a really good player. But it's kind of

776
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: like a Tyler hansbro type thing. Like Handsbro was a

777
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: great college player, Luca Garza is a great college player.

778
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: Hansbrough was a serviceable pro And I think that that

779
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: Garza will be better as a pro because he could

780
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: step away and knock down on NBA three, which Handsbro

781
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: was not proficient at. But he doesn't he doesn't get

782
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 1: up and down the floor the way you would hope

783
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 1: he could, and he's not. He's not a shot blocker,

784
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: he's not a high volume rebounder, and in pick and

785
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,720
Speaker 1: roll situations he's gonna get he's going to get attacked.

786
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: But it doesn't mean he can't play it just it

787
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: just means it's going to be an issue for him

788
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: in being a great player at that level. There's a

789
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 1: poll out, well it's a list. I hate list, but

790
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: I still read him. This is sp Nation had the

791
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: top fifty college basketball teams of all time what they

792
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: did in that individual season, and North Carolina State is

793
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,879
Speaker 1: the fifth best with David Thompson nineteen seventy four. North

794
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:14,879
Speaker 1: Carolina with Michael and Perkins and Worthy, that's Ford Duke

795
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety two. Indiana Undefeated is number two on

796
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: that list nineteen seventy six, and then Bill Walton's first

797
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: year as a starter at UCLA nineteen seventy two is

798
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 1: the number one team of all time. Any issues with that?

799
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: How could you not have a UCLA team with lou

800
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: Alsender not on that list of at least the top five.

801
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I find that laughably absurd. And you know

802
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: when the pandemic started. We did at ESPN the you know,

803
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 1: the greatest college basketball player of all time Brackett, and

804
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: they had men and women, and I did all that

805
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: with this Jay. I was angry and I even too,

806
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: Michael is not the Kareem is the best player of

807
00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 1: all time. It's not even close. It's not close. It's

808
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: not any metric you want to use. It's not close.

809
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 1: And look, I get it when fans vote on that stuff,

810
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 1: but but but give me a break. I mean, and

811
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: if we're going to do these lists, like the truth is,

812
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: UCLA would be the top eight or you know, they

813
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: were so dominant and so good and having having back

814
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: to back. I remember one time that that somebody, it

815
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: was somebody at Duke Frankly that that, and it was

816
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: while Laytner and Grant Hill and Bobby Hurley and Thomas

817
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: Hill were there. I was a grad assistant, and somebody

818
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: had said something about UCLA about you know, well, of

819
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: course wouldn't won somebody he had Alsinder and Walton, and

820
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: I go, okay, that's five he won five others and

821
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 1: without those guys. And you know, I was really sensitive

822
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: because I grew up in Los Angeles and and people

823
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: always said stuff like that to put down UCLA, like wow,

824
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: you know the West Coast back then, you know, they

825
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: didn't have to beat anybody to get to the final four,

826
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: and like, well, nobody beat him once they got there,

827
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: Like how did that not happen? And he won a

828
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 1: title with maybe the smallest lineup to ever win a

829
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: title in sixty four time. Yeah, yeah, I did it

830
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: in sixty four. Then after al Sinder left he won.

831
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: He won in seventy and seventy one. Steve Paterson got there. Yeah,

832
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: Steve Patterson, Curtis Rose, Sidney Wicks, all those guys. I mean,

833
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: that was an extraordinary run. But but al Sinder was

834
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: the best player, and those teams, like, I don't care

835
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: what you know. Mike Warren was was the point guard

836
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: for Alsinder's teams. And you're telling me like, like with

837
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: Alsinder out there that they couldn't have beat some of

838
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: the teams on that list, they absolutely would have done.

839
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,240
Speaker 1: And it wasn't that much. It wasn't that far removed

840
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: from when Indiana won at seventy six that we couldn't

841
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 1: compare those teams. We could. Great to talk to you

842
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: is always Jay. We appreciate your time. Thanks for joining us,

843
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: and hopefully we'll talk to you here real soon. Yeah,

844
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: if you want any more stories about some of the

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Speaker 1: other helmets, I can waste all your time with it.

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Speaker 1: I like it though, I like it's great for radio.

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Speaker 1: People on radio really appreciate that when you talk about

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Speaker 1: something visual, chay as only you can thank you, Bud.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan

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Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific

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Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio in the iHeartRadio app