1 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: Pushkin. The Black Keys are the last rock and roll 2 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: band to really matter. I mean, maybe I'm wrong, but 3 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 1: if you can think of another rock band that broke 4 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: out this decade with songs you couldn't escape and big 5 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 1: arena shows, let me know. When they first came out 6 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 1: in early two thousands, their gritty blue sound was wild. 7 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: You could have told me some of those songs were 8 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: lost relics from the fifties, and I would have believed it. 9 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: Their sound really did develop a lot by the time 10 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 1: they hit big with songs like Tighten Up and Holland 11 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: for You. Now, after a five year break, they have 12 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: new music. They stopped by schanro Low to catch up 13 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: with Rick Rubin the day after launching their tour in 14 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: LA to talk about the new record, things in the 15 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,279 Speaker 1: music industry that pissed them off, and to play some 16 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: unreleased songs. This is Broken Record Season three liner notes 17 00:00:55,560 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: for the Digital Age. I'm justin Richmond. Just a quick 18 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: note here. You can listen to all of the music 19 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: mentioned in this episode on our playlist, which you can 20 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: find a link to in the show notes. For licensing reasons, 21 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: each time a song it's referenced in this episode, you'll 22 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: hear this sound effect all right. Enjoyed the episode. Here's 23 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: Rick's conversation with the black Keys listening anything good? You know, 24 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: I was in France for the whole month in July. 25 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: How was it too long? But I found this radio 26 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: station over there. It was like the most eclectic mix 27 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 1: of music. I've heard it in a long time. What 28 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: was this station called again, It's called Radio Nova. I 29 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: listened to Radio Nova. Yeah, so there's there's like playlists, 30 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: you can find stuff, but it's nationwide. It's structural, but 31 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: it's nation It's like across the whole all France. And 32 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: I mean you could listen to it live on tune 33 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: in video. You can listen to it live on tune in. 34 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: But I never heard of it. I've never been in France. Bunch, 35 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: you've been France, A bunch of sures. I hear the same, Like, 36 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: this is better music curation than I've heard anywhere on 37 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: any streaming platform, on any radio station. I'm in France 38 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,399 Speaker 1: and I'm hearing all this American music for the first time, 39 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: and it just boggled my mind. And I you know, 40 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: Dan and I both have these shows on serious radio, 41 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: and I mean I don't know why, because honestly, we 42 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: don't get paid, and we were curating an hour of 43 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 1: music a month or whatever, and I turn it on 44 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: and I'm just perpetually let down by like what's played 45 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 1: on the spectrum. Most of the spectrum is or XMU. 46 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: It's supposed to be like kind of cutting edge channels 47 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 1: where they're playing new music, and I heard I keep 48 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: hearing you two on the spectrum. It's like, man, fuck that. 49 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: And I don't get anything I want from it, and 50 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: I don't even know where to look. I haven't found 51 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: one thing at Pitchfork that that made me interested in 52 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: probably five years. But I still check it like every 53 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: couple of days. The platform doesn't exist, or if it 54 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 1: does exist, it hasn't got to me, you know. So 55 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: that's that's a major problem. I think that. Then I 56 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 1: talked about this all the time. How do what could 57 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: we do? What could our friends all do? That would 58 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: be it would help prop up stuff we're interested in 59 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: because I look at stuff that sounds like there's a void, 60 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: the huge, massive void. Maybe that's an opportunity for you 61 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: guys to do something. It is massive? Why people like 62 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: people don't you know, It's like we sit around here 63 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 1: listen music obsessed, but we let these dipshits like dictate 64 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: what the fuck is being talked about, you know what 65 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: I mean, Like, there's no one that knows more about 66 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: music than than probably you, you know, and Dan, I mean, 67 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: and what we're not, you know, we're giving our playlist 68 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: to the Spectrum or XMU and at the end of 69 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: the day, like they're still just playing Radiohead songs fifteen 70 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: times a day, or you two songs or whatever. It's 71 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: not I had a record that was really proud of 72 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: that I produced and co wrote that is you know, 73 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: wasn't the Keys album Always Seeing I basically, you know, 74 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: asked Spectrum like consider adding this thing to their playlist, 75 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: and then the fucking they, after fifty five years of 76 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: volunteer service to their ass, they're like, well, the Instagram 77 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: the metrics don't really add up, but I think, you know, 78 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: there's a little bit of numbers. The numbers aren't there yet, Like, 79 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: fuck you, motherfucker, Like, who the fuck are you to 80 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: tell me what the fuck numbers are you? You were 81 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: fucking communications neighbor major from Purdue, you know what I mean, Like, 82 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: what are you doing there dictating this shit, man, I 83 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 1: wouldn't like buy a fucking shirt from you, you know 84 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 1: what I mean? Seriously, And this guy's dictating what we 85 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: all listened to across the whole country. This guy, Chris Muckley, 86 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: He's like dictates the whole fucking channel. It's like, who 87 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: the fuck is this guy? Where did he come from? 88 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: And why the fuck is hey listening to my ass. 89 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: I've been in the back of a van for twenty years. 90 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: Listen to me, motherfucker, I care about this ship, you 91 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: know what I mean. That's like I know what Kanye 92 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: was meant when he said that ship, because like I 93 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: give a fuck. Yeah, I had enough Windy to fucking care. 94 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I put my fucking intestines 95 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 1: through the fucking ringer for rock and roll and roll 96 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: listen to what I care about. I've always gotten the 97 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: best suggestions or music to listen to from musicians, never 98 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: from anyone else. It's always from artists. It's not from 99 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 1: Instagram stats, it's not from anywhere, but art artists always. 100 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: Just like I just said, what are you listening to? 101 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:32,239 Speaker 1: Chances are you're listening to something better than anyone who's 102 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 1: telling me what to listen to Sure, I agree. Every 103 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: time I've heard anything that's like change my perception, something 104 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 1: has come from an artist, Dan, what are you angry about? 105 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 1: Where do we start? I'm not angry, It's just it's frustrating, 106 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,359 Speaker 1: you know. Sure, Yeah, it's fucking frustrating. No, I feel you. 107 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 1: It's hard to find music now, dude, I agree. How 108 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: long has it been since you've toured? H five years 109 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: since we tour of the US? Wow? And last night 110 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: was the first show and good vibe. Yeah, it was 111 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: a little We had some issues with some ticket issues, 112 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: but other than that, we had some scalpers screwing our 113 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: fans last night. Let's tell about royally fucked last night. Yeah. 114 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 1: We intentionally did a show that was twenty five dollars 115 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: ticket just for fans, and scalpers had tickets for eight 116 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: hundred dollars. Wow. And they were fake. People were coming 117 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: to the to the box office with fake tickets that 118 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 1: they paid eight hundred dollars more. Wow. We kept the 119 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 1: tickets cheap as possible, made the news like there are 120 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: hundreds of people out in front of the wheel turn 121 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: really upset. It was such a bummer because it our 122 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: intention was to do one for the fans, do you 123 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: know what I mean? It just sucks when it's a 124 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: it's a weird fucking time out there. Because we kept 125 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: the tickets cheap. Could you do another show for all 126 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: the people with the fake tickets? Fuck that, I mean, honestly, 127 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: fuck it. I mean, like this is the problem. I mean, 128 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: we kept the tickets at twenty five dollars. It was 129 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: clearly stated on the tickets that they're non transferable, and 130 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: some people trying to sold them for eight hundred dollars, 131 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: six hundred dollars. That's the whole that's the reason why 132 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: our tickets and this concert, this tour right now, like 133 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: the cheapest tickets like fifty bucks, and they go all 134 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: the way up to five hundred. And the reason is 135 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: because on the last tour we kept the tickets much cheaper, 136 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: but they kept getting fucking scalped, and so we would 137 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: go play a show, an equal amount of money that 138 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: we made was made by scalpers. Scalpers are making as 139 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: much money as us by fucking the fans. You know, 140 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: there's a lot of issues with the music industry. And 141 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: the thing is is the person that actually has to 142 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: actually gets fucked the most is the fan and the artist, 143 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: you know, which is ironic because it's that's the most 144 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: direct natural relationship into music business. It was. It was 145 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: amazing though last night. The energy was high. And what's 146 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: the show like? Now? Once upon a time it was 147 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: a two piece group. Yeah, what's the show like? Now 148 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: it's the two of us plus three other people. We 149 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: have two guitars in a bass and for the whole show, 150 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: the whole show. Yeah, and we play songs from every record, 151 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: you know. I mean even when we were doing two 152 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: piece records, we were always overdubbing. I would I would 153 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: always over to bass and second guitars and stuff, double 154 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: up guitar parts. It's cool as ship now to be 155 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: able to hear those old songs with like three guitars 156 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: doing one riff, it's awesome. It almost sounds more like 157 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 1: the old records than we ever did, which is kind 158 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: of fun. From the first album to now, what was 159 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: the progression of the band from from your perspective, Well, 160 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: you've got to understand that this is not like a 161 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: normal band. This is like not a normal band, you know, 162 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: because like we started playing when we were sixteen seventeen, 163 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 1: before we were a band, you know, and we were, 164 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: we learned how to play together. So so you've been 165 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: playing together forever whatever this was. This is the first 166 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: band I've ever been in. It's incredible. I found the 167 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: other day about six months ago. Probably the first jam 168 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: we ever recorded. Wow, it's on my phone. I can 169 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: play it for you. Let's yeah. And we always recorded 170 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: ourselves because that's what was so much fun was the 171 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,439 Speaker 1: recording part. That's what we were into. Pat. The first 172 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: time I ever saw a four track was a Pat's house. 173 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: So the beginnings of the Black Keys were recording. And 174 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: we got a record deal before we ever played a show, 175 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: just because we were making recordings and we sent it 176 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: to some labels and they gave us a deal. Yeah. 177 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: Like the foundation of the band is really that we 178 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: grew up. We grew up really four or five houses 179 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 1: from each other. Dan's a year older than me, and 180 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: our brothers were like best friends, older brother younger brothers. 181 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: But at one point our brothers like, you guys should 182 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: get together and jam, You guy should get together and jam. 183 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: And one day Dan brought us guitar down to my 184 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: house and I had this drum set because I bought 185 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: like all the instruments. So you need to have a band, 186 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: hoping that people come from my house so I could 187 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: be in a band playing guitar. But Dan came down 188 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: and just like started playing, like oh shit, Like I 189 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: guess I'm playing drums because he's so good at guitar. 190 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: So what year was this? That would like ninety six 191 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: ninety seven, and we recorded I think this is one 192 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: of those I'm gonna play this song. It's six minutes long. 193 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,959 Speaker 1: Play a snippet. I'm just gonna go six minutes. Yeah, 194 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go. I'm gonna start it. I'm gonna 195 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: start it a minute in. You sound exactly the same. 196 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: When I heard it, I was like, holy shit, it's unbelievable. 197 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: Nothing changed. It's exactly the same. Isn't that insane? That's 198 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: from day one? Does it without communicating about what we 199 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: were gonna do. What happened? It's like, that's literally sounded 200 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 1: like you could have said that was us last night, 201 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: and I would have believed it would be like, what 202 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 1: is that audience? They're great, Yeah, they killed it last night. 203 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: I wonder what your dad was thinking when you're like, 204 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: I mean, my dad's very encouraged fucking getting out there. 205 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: What the fuck were we doing? Dude, that's six minutes 206 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: of us banging on prop tanks and the definitely listen 207 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: to all six minutes tranced out, What the hell I 208 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 1: rick just because I just want you to hear this 209 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 1: one thing that we've never played this for anybody. I 210 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: won't play you a second of it. Okay, this is 211 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: if anything, you're getting worse. They were getting worse. There's 212 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: some really weird ship on this thing. But this is 213 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: our demo, right, this is the so the day that 214 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: Dan I think you only ever get worse. This is 215 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: the day that Dan was gonna I was gonna record 216 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 1: his band and they never showed up, and we made 217 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: this recording. This is the the first song on our 218 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 1: demo that we sent out. The got us a record 219 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: too incredible. You know what's incredible about that is this 220 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 1: is no bullshit. We did six songs that day in 221 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: an hour and a half. Yeah, and I had we 222 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: had never played them together. I had never played drums 223 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:19,599 Speaker 1: in a previous year and a half. And we instantly 224 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: had arrangements, instantly figured out all this shit We're gonna 225 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: do drum beats. I mean, it's fucking crazy. And one 226 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 1: I took these recordings we made, and I sat and like, 227 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: make these mixes. And I remember taking the CDR over 228 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: to Dan's house like a week or two weeks later, 229 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:39,319 Speaker 1: and He's called me. I left a message on my 230 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,599 Speaker 1: machine or something like later that day. Basically it was like, 231 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: we just got to start a fucking band, Like this 232 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 1: is fucking crazy. And I was like, yeah, we fucking do. 233 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: And I called my brother as they make a cover, 234 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: a record cover so we could mail this thing out, 235 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: and yeah, we were ready to make a record. We 236 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: named the band right then. It was incredible and we 237 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: made incredible. Dan think, what should we call the band? 238 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: I was like, there's a mutual friend that we had 239 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: a mutual acquaintance, this outsider artist guy who used to 240 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: call people black keys, Like, we gotta call it the 241 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: black Keys. He's like, it's the black It was instant 242 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 1: to boom, boom boom. Within like two weeks of doing that, 243 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: we had made a demo where we made a cover 244 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: we dand mailed him out to like eighteen labels, and 245 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: within two weeks of that we had a record deal, 246 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: the small little label in Burbank. And since that, right then, 247 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: I told my dad drop out of school make this record, 248 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: and my dad actually came into I was working in 249 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: a restaurant. My dad came in to the restaurant with 250 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: my grandfather, and my grandfather had a PhD. You mean, 251 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: very educated. And I told him, as I wou'na drop 252 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: out of school, My dad's you gotta oh, you shouldn't. 253 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: My grandfathers like, yeah, you should do that. Give it 254 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 1: a year or two. I was like, there you go, 255 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 1: there we are. But yeah. So then that's the history 256 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 1: of the band is. We made this record, the big 257 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 1: come up in my basement. We would get together every 258 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: day from like ten to three, and then I had 259 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: to go to work and Dan had to go play bars. 260 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: And we made this record. And then we put the 261 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: record out and we learned we had to go on 262 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 1: tour for people to hear it. And we just got 263 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: in a van with my brother Mike tagged along and 264 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: we we went around the country. We went out every weekend. 265 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: We got all offered a Sleader Kidney tour, we offered 266 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: a Beck tour, we got signed a Fat Possum. We 267 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: so then around that around that first record, before we 268 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: signed a Fat Possum, we kind of had we had 269 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: seymour Stein coming out to our shows, and we had 270 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: people kind of like really interested in this at the 271 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: time of like when the White Stripes first were hit, 272 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: you know, and Hives and Strokes, and we were kind 273 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: of in that wave, you know, and everybody was looking 274 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: for them, everyone was looking for it, and so we 275 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: had we were like sitting there talking talking to Seemore stuck. 276 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: Had you guys heard all that music or were you 277 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: sort of just doing your own thing? Man? We had 278 00:14:55,960 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: heard like do Rag all the Fat Possi some stuff. 279 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: The Strokes record came out right after we made this. 280 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: It came out like September after we made the demo. 281 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: But no, man, we I didn't hear like the Hives 282 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: or the White Stripes until fell in Love with the 283 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: Girl or whatever that Hive single had in two thousand 284 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: summer two thousand and two. That stuff was really going 285 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: on MTV and I heard. That's what I was like, man, 286 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: like this, there's a there's a wave shit happening. There's 287 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: that band that kind of disappeared the Vines. Yeah, but 288 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: around that time, so we were getting we were we 289 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: were getting calls from seymour Stein on you know, on 290 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: our waiting around the answering machine. Like this is like 291 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: I remember reading the story of Divo. I think we're 292 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: like living the same reality that Devo did twenty years 293 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: ago in like the same city. And here here we 294 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: are getting calls from seymour Stein who wanted to sign us, 295 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: and he's like, we're I'm gonna send a contract your way. 296 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: What's the best address we're in. He's like it's gonna 297 00:15:56,040 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: be there by November one. November first came and it didn't, 298 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: you know nothing, And by November I think it was 299 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: like November twentieth, no contract. And I called him. He's like, 300 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: I can't get anything moving, Like they're not sending it. 301 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: What the fuck? And as Dan I got together, it's like, 302 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: if we signed to this label, they can't even get 303 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: us a contract. We're never going to make another record. 304 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: We might get a couple hundred grand that we can 305 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: spend on our one hundred grand or something. But it 306 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: was the right move. Nothing happened with Seymark. We made 307 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: the hardest decision, but it was like a no brainer 308 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: for us, which is like instead of waiting around for 309 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: this big check, this signed to Fat Possum for twelve 310 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: thousand dollars and make a record, And so we went 311 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: into my basement and we recorded a record in one day. Yeah, 312 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: but I mean, honestly, Fat Possum those were our biggest 313 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: Those were heros. We were trying to get on Fat 314 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: Possum on the demo. Yeah, we hadn't heard of any 315 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: of the Detroit bands. We didn't know of any of 316 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: the I've never heard the Goriries, but we were listening 317 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: to Team Model, Ford Hard, Robert Bell for r L Junior, 318 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: kimbro I have to ask Latkins, you know we were 319 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: going we were going to see those shows. It was 320 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: it wasn't just old records and it was like real. 321 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 1: It was Also John Spencer Explosion was a major thing. Absolutely. 322 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: I got a cassette tape of Orange by the John 323 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: Spencer Blues Explosion, and that really helped me understand the 324 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: Black Keys better when we were starting. In fact, when 325 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,199 Speaker 1: I listened to that, I still think Russell Simmons one 326 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: of my favorite drummers. Russell Simmons is probably one of 327 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: the maybe the best living drummer. Hell yeah, yeah, I 328 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: mean him and Jeremiah Green from Myst Mouse are the 329 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: two best drummers rock and roll drumms a statement we'll 330 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: be back with more from the Black Keys. We're back 331 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,959 Speaker 1: with the Black Keys. So you did the first album, 332 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: did the first album, and then once we decided to 333 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: sign the Fat Possi and we made a second record 334 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 1: in a day. Instantly, I was, this is pre internet, 335 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: so I was. Dan came over. We recorded this thing. 336 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: The next day, I would make a mix. I would 337 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: burn a CD. I would ve it over to Dan's house. 338 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,199 Speaker 1: I would drive home and he would come, turn the 339 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 1: guitar down and I could do it. I go back 340 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: and turn the guitar back up. I have all stack 341 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 1: of these things all on the day. I like as 342 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 1: boo boom and I FedEx it that night. It's like 343 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: boom fed and oh my brother Mike and I went 344 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: to kmart and bought some Royal Crown hair palm made 345 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 1: took a picture of my hand dipping in it. It 346 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: was like all done in a day. It's like boom 347 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: rucking records done. And that's how we I was our Emma. 348 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 1: We just fucking moved like that, you know. And we 349 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: made our third record in a rubber factory in Akron, 350 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: just when we learned how to make records, together. We 351 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 1: were learning how it all worked. The first In fact, 352 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: the first three records, I don't think we never even 353 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: had a compressor. We just didn't even know that that 354 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: was a thing. And did the first three records have 355 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: many overdubs? Are not? Really? They had a few overdubs? Yeah, yeah, 356 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: like the first even the first record had some head 357 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: overdubs bass and tambourine. Did you record vocals live or 358 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: was that done after? Mostly they'd be live, right, vocals 359 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 1: were mostly live. How did you do it with vocals 360 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: and drums live or were you in a separate room. 361 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 1: We were in the same room, same room. They just 362 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: bled that that was part of the sound, I think, yeah, yeah, 363 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 1: the vocal mic was part of a big part of 364 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 1: the drums out. Yeah, it was like a little bit 365 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: we know. Actually when we first started, there was a 366 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 1: third guy. When we very first started, like that that demo, 367 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 1: you can hear there's an organ just holding like one 368 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: ecord or whatever. Our friend Gabe, who we grew up with, 369 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: was hanging around a lot with I was hanging out 370 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: with him a lot, and he was in the band. 371 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 1: He was on the cover of the demo even And 372 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,959 Speaker 1: then it came time to make the big come up. 373 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: We're making that record, and he just kept missing practices 374 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: and he didn't have a car, so we had to 375 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: go pick him up and find him. And one day 376 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: he missed. He missed like the third day in a row. 377 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: He's actually on the first record on a couple of 378 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 1: songs he best slay the third or fourth day in 379 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:06,679 Speaker 1: a row. And I called him when they dude, what 380 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 1: the fuck you're gonna blow it? This is like a thing, 381 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: this is a good opportunity. He's like, I don't want 382 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck about it. And I was like, 383 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: you're done, You're out fun, and I kicked him out. 384 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: It was kind of up to me because he was 385 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 1: like closer to me, but he was our friend. But 386 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 1: I think that that if we hadn't have done that, 387 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: we wouldn't be sitting here today. Yeah, absolutely would not 388 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: have worked. Dan would have packed up and walked away 389 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: after that first tour. And yeah, but you know, I'm 390 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: still in touch with Gabe and yeah, he hit a 391 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: man called Gap Dream that was on Burger. During the 392 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: time that you were you were working and you were 393 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: playing in bars at night. What were you playing in 394 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 1: a cover band or I was basically doing. I was 395 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 1: playing three hour sets in coffee houses and bars, restaurants, solo, solo, 396 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: as a duo, whatever they needed. I would just sort 397 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: of musician, yeah, basically. Yeah, And that's what I was 398 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: recording some band demos so that I could get band 399 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: gigs at places like bars and can't stuff like that. 400 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 1: So that's why I contacted Pat in the first place. 401 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 1: We ended up. But yeah, no, that's I was playing 402 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 1: three hour gigs four nights a week, and that was 403 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: really mostly blues, blues, folk, sam cook just songs I liked. 404 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: You know, most of the time people weren't even listening, 405 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: you know. Sometimes would be acoustic, guitar depended. If I 406 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: was playing like a brunch, I'd play acoustic. I mean, 407 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: he was Dan was really good. I remember going to 408 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: see him and being like, yeah, I mean, I'm lucky 409 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 1: to be in a band with this motherfucker. Well, I 410 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 1: mean it was a certain thing, you know, I mean, 411 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: but doing the doing the thing with Pat was different. 412 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: Like I was making really good money as a musician, yeah, 413 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: you know, and I was. He had like a he 414 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 1: had like a new car. Yeah, I bought it myself, 415 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 1: a nice minivan to gig in and but doing an 416 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: original project is just different. And I was totally willing 417 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: to go play bars in Cleveland for five dollars. Yeah. Also, 418 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: that was being a musician and this was being an artist. Yeah. 419 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: What we did to get this, to get it going 420 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: so we could go on tour was I would actually 421 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: play a couple of these like brunch gigs with him, 422 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: just like barely touching the you know not. It was 423 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 1: more like Dan just being like, yeah, I'll split this 424 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 1: money with you so we can get this ship going. 425 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, well you can help me 426 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: mo lawns and I'll split that with you too. So 427 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 1: he would be out there weed whacking. That's when I 428 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: found out I was allergic to fresh grass clippings. Yeah, 429 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: we were rather mowing lawns, but we had only had 430 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 1: work in the in the hood, so most of the 431 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: job was just like clearing the yard of forty ounce bottles. 432 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 1: It was picking up forties and that was a long 433 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 1: I mean, the guy was a slum word and I 434 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 1: say that and like people like I don't be an asshole, 435 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 1: Like well seriously, like all this shit just got condemned 436 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: and sued by the city of Acron for not paying taxes. 437 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,479 Speaker 1: We looked after his places, but he did, he did. 438 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: He did pay me one hundred and eighty dollars a 439 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: week to mow like these postage stamp yards that were 440 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: just littered with like cult forty five caps and abandoned lots. 441 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: And that was the minivan that we used to do 442 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: shows in, so it always smelled like gas. Yeah, it's like, 443 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 1: you know, thinking about all of the ship that we've 444 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,199 Speaker 1: been through is is kind of it's fucking intense. But 445 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: I do ultimately think that the long away from the 446 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: South of France, well, well yeah, everyone's everyone's always everyone's 447 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: like I want on vacation the summer South France, and 448 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: everyone like our label presidents. Like I was, like I said, 449 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 1: I was like, oh yeah, I think I like South 450 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: of France more than huh, Tuscany. He's like, and I 451 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: sound like the asshole. Yeah, but like, but to be fair, 452 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 1: like twenty years of doing this shit, I got the 453 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 1: fucking France for a couple of months. But I think 454 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: that we I mean, I think that some of some 455 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: of the simplest decisions are the things that got make 456 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: it so that we were able to sit here eighteen 457 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: years into this and talk to you, and one of 458 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: them is kicking Gabe out of the band. Yeah, that 459 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: was the first decision. And don't forget I mean, I 460 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: love this guy, you know what I mean, I do, 461 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: But it's the fucking first great decision, second great decisions. 462 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,959 Speaker 1: Signed into Fat Possum, Yes, and it realized that Dan 463 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: and I had an agreement, basically without an unspokenreement, that 464 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: we would both put up with this ship. We basically 465 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: signed up for like four years of remedial fucking rock 466 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 1: and roll work. Right then We're like, we're gonna go 467 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: to can pay our dues. But that led us to 468 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: the fact that we by that we didn't hit like 469 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 1: mainstream success till our sixth record, which I think there's 470 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: the other great great accident, which is because if we 471 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,679 Speaker 1: would have had that ship on our second record, we 472 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: would have imploded. We saw it happen like the first 473 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: time we played a real, real, real gig, and we 474 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: played La before this, but the first time we had 475 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: a real gig here where people were going to come 476 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: out just to see us was at the at the 477 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: time it was called the not the Satellite, but I 478 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: forget whatever it's called Satellite's It's Silver Lake. But we 479 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: were our record release party for Thick Freakness and the 480 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 1: opening band was Jet No one had ever heard of him, 481 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 1: We never heard of him, and within within weeks they 482 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: were like on the cover of Enemy. They were selling 483 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: They sold millions of albums. They were headlining all the 484 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,679 Speaker 1: festivals that we were just doing the noon slots we 485 00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: were playing, like the small tent, they were headlining. And 486 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: within a year of that, that was April eighth of 487 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: two thousand and three, by Summer Sonic or whatever, Fuji 488 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: Rock August to two thousand and four. We saw those 489 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 1: guys one year in like three months. Those dudes were 490 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,120 Speaker 1: burned out. They were fucking done. We saw that happen 491 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 1: a band go from nothing to the fucking biggest thing 492 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 1: to then talk to them and then like fucking flamed 493 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: flamed out. We're like fuck, man, We're like, fuck, we 494 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: dodged that fucking ball, and we kept dodging. We then 495 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: wolf Mother was opening up for us in London that 496 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: that false false he thousand and four and boom, same shit. 497 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,199 Speaker 1: We're like fucking like, we're like basically human, like centipede, 498 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: like dodging this shit like like, wh the fuck are 499 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 1: we still doing this incredible? Yeah, it's like he was 500 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: Centipede of that fucking scary German movie. I guess what 501 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 1: I meant is we're remember like a missile command of 502 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 1: finished motherfucker. You know, we've always we've always just done 503 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: what we wanted to do. Yeah, you know what, by 504 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: the sixth record, we'd made five records on our own, 505 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 1: and we would want to recording a fucking studio for 506 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: let's fill in the ditch. So the first three you 507 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 1: said were pretty similar in the way you did it. 508 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: First four, first four, and then what made five different 509 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: five was that we were writing songs that we're going 510 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: to be an Ike Turner comeback record, our Ike Turner 511 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: record the whole the whole album. Even with the concept, 512 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: your internal concept that was unspoken. No, it was spoken 513 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: because Danger Mouse called us and said, I'm making a 514 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: record with Ike Turner. You guys write the songs. You 515 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 1: guys at the band, I'm going to produce. So we 516 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 1: would go to dance. This is the first time Brian 517 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 1: learned about songwriting royalties. Yea. So we would go to 518 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: dance and make we recorded. We basically it's the last 519 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: time we really made demos for an album. We basically 520 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 1: made all these songs, and we after like two months 521 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: of doing this, we finally get we got like two 522 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: or three songs back. Last time or first time. I'm saying, like, 523 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: we it's the last time, and it's probably the first time. 524 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 1: What I'm saying it sounds like up till then, you 525 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 1: didn't really do are all our records? Yeah, I guess 526 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: it is our first time. Yeah. Yeah, so it's the 527 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 1: first time you recorded something that was not necessarily going 528 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:16,239 Speaker 1: to be your record. Yeah, is that right? Yes, So 529 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: we took the exactly so we we we were waiting 530 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 1: for this record to get done, and it was months 531 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: and months of waiting and we're like, we can't sit 532 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: around and wait for this ship. And I actually flew 533 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: out to La we'd met Brian at Coachella that April 534 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: of two thousand and seven, and I flew out here 535 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: for like a weekend vacation in May, and I met 536 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: up with Brian and without even asking, Dan was like, 537 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: would you produce a record for us? Not scraped this idea? 538 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: Take these songs and make a keys record. He's like, 539 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: I would, I would love to do that, And I 540 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 1: called Dan's do can we do this? You wanna do this? 541 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 1: And he's like, yeah, fuck, let's do that. So Dan 542 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: picked the studio. We did a record with Brian Attack 543 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: and release and the whole concept it was that we 544 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: were going to approach that record for the first time 545 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: with total disregard of how we were going to perform 546 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: the songs live. So we were gonna get to use 547 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: all these keyboards that we bought, and we're gonna get 548 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: to like not be afraid to make a bassline of 549 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: prominent in a mix, all that kind of bullshit that 550 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: we should have the fifth it's our fifth albums. Yeah, 551 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: and then Damn put out a solo record after that 552 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: we made and then we got back in the studio 553 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: and made this hip hop record which we were kind 554 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: of focusing on cutting stuff like bass and drums, and 555 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: it was a kind of more groove oriented, you know, like, yeah, 556 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: it was fun. It was for for the first time 557 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: we were starting with bass and drums, and it changed, 558 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: the dynamic changed it. But it was fun. It was 559 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 1: a lot of fun and we went right from that. 560 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: That was July two thousand and nine. So you would 561 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: you would write a bass and drum track and then 562 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: and then add guitar to it and add some melody 563 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: and start see. But we did that in like June 564 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: and July two thousand and nine, in all songs, does 565 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: do the does the track come first and then the 566 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: vocal ideas Sometimes it's simultaneous. Sometimes I've always got a 567 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: vocal mic there to to try stuff. But we from 568 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: working that way. We also booked We booked time at 569 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: Muscle Shoals and we had an engineer from San Diego, 570 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: Mark Neil, come out in August. Marks really eccentric dude 571 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: from Georgia, highly intelligent, knows everything there is to know 572 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: about old school recording, especially old school American recording, and 573 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: he engineered all the stuff for us down there Muscle Shoals. 574 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: The drums and we used his drums. He had beautiful 575 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: grit strums and he only used like two or three 576 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: mics on the drum kit. And what did you record 577 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: at Muscle Shoals? What was it? Brothers Brothers August to 578 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, right after the hip hop record. 579 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: We went down there and I think thinking of in 580 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: terms of like these hip hop kind of groups. I mean, 581 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: we were pumping out songs a day, a song a day, 582 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: So you went into the studio without having material pre written, right, 583 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: it wasn't anything there were We actually had a couple 584 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: of songs that were we recorded a couple of weeks 585 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: earlier at dance studio that those actually those versions all 586 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: made the record, Like she's long gone, the ones from 587 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: dance studio, the ones that were we did a dance studio. 588 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: We just kept those recordings. We were just basically in 589 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: the same headspace. We just we were like literally like 590 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 1: it was a weird thing because we took the six 591 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: months off for the first time in two thousand and nine, 592 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: and I was like, I mean, I was like, but 593 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: that was after like ten years, after like six or seven, 594 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: eight years. But I was like, I don't know what 595 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: this means dance making a solo record, and I need 596 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: to be worried, like and then finally I was like, no, 597 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: he just needs to do his own thing. And then 598 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: it's like when we got back together, it was like 599 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 1: we were we were better than we were before. Yeah, 600 00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: and I am I did fast forward to right now 601 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: for a second, Like I feel like the last Night 602 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: show was probably better than any show we've played a 603 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: long time ago. I'm like, the break works, but we 604 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: made Brothers in like in like ten days, we fucking 605 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: end up this record. I'm like, and you know, songs 606 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: like ten Cent Pistol or Sinister Kid. These things are 607 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: like heavy fucking groups, unlike anything we'd done before. And 608 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: are you still operating with the idea of of doesn't 609 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: matter if you can play it live? Did it shift 610 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: on the fifth album to just be that's the new 611 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 1: standard on that touring? That fifth album was where it 612 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: got a little hairy. Were like, some of these songs 613 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: just didn't really work, Like that's a two piece, So 614 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: when did you add When do you start adding people? 615 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: On the Brothers tour, the first time we ever played 616 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: was a four pieces at Madison Square Garden opening for 617 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 1: Pearl Jam. We'd never played. We didn't do any warm up, 618 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:57,239 Speaker 1: like right out in front of twenty thousand people, you know, like, 619 00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: how want do you remember how how the show was? 620 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: It was fine? I remember you know what I remember? 621 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 1: I remember that. I remember the whole fucking place shaking backstage. 622 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: Remember that when the crowd started to go crazy for 623 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: Pearl Jam. It was the same day our record came out. 624 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: That's what I remember. Brothers came out and we played 625 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: Mass and Square Garden and then it was like a 626 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 1: week later, we go to dinner at Cafe Jaton with 627 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: the label and like, you know, very New York City 628 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: thing to do, and there is nothing like your first 629 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: show at Madison Square Garden. Now that's a real thrilling feeling. 630 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 1: We'll be there with Pearl Jam. I mean, it was 631 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: it was all overshadows for me because of this dinner 632 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: we had a week later which was like our label 633 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: president was like, you sold seventy three thousand records and 634 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: I was like, what the fuck are you serious? I 635 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: mean we were our previous records had sold like twenty 636 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: and here's seventy three thousand. I was like what does 637 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 1: that mean? Like, I don't know if people like it. 638 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: And then the next week I just sold like fifty 639 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: more and we're like fuck. About a month or two 640 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: months later, it was still selling like twelve thousand copies 641 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: a week. I was like, well, we have like a 642 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 1: fucking hit record. We have like a fucking actual hit record. 643 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 1: We had no radio play at this point, and then 644 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,320 Speaker 1: the songs are playing at radio and it was like, fuck, 645 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 1: you know what the fuck just happened. This is what 646 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 1: this album six, I like, this is it. We're like, 647 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 1: we have a we have a fucking gold record, we 648 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,839 Speaker 1: have a fucking platinum record, We're playing the SNL, We're 649 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: headlining fucking Coachella, Like all this shit just kind of 650 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 1: started rolling, and that for me, it's just like a 651 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 1: Schmere twenty ten to the time we play Outside Lands 652 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen. Yeah, we that we play that show 653 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 1: and we just on break. Wow four years wow till 654 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 1: last night. Wow we got we got back in the 655 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: studio year eight year build up, eight years sort of yeah, 656 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: working your way up. I meant a solid five year run. 657 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: How many albums So Brothers After Brothers, Brothers, Alchemino, Turn Blue, 658 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: so three albums and big tours. Each one of those 659 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:12,239 Speaker 1: records sold in the US. Well Brothers and Alchemino over 660 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: two million in the US. I mean we sold like 661 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 1: seven million records worldwide on those records. And then once again, 662 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: without really even talking to each other, we just went 663 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 1: on a break. There was no big plan. It was 664 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 1: just short. It was it was just it was like 665 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 1: Danny did a break, yeah, and I was like cool, 666 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 1: you know, and we did it and then you know, 667 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: there's points in that time where I was getting frustrated, 668 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: like just like because it just didn't know what was happening. 669 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 1: But you were producing other produ you were both producing, 670 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,879 Speaker 1: both busy. Yeah, it was more like we finally had 671 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: this talk. It was like as I understood, like, oh, yeah, 672 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 1: Dannis needs to do what he's gotta do. Yeah, it's 673 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 1: all good, and this band is special enough that like 674 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,399 Speaker 1: we can't be doing it if it sucks, like for 675 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 1: one of us, Like if it can't be doing if 676 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,919 Speaker 1: it's stressful and it's not fun. So the whole year 677 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 1: we went back in the studio a year ago to 678 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,399 Speaker 1: start this record, and the whole part of the time 679 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,319 Speaker 1: we've been talking it's like, how do we do this? 680 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 1: Do this band? So it's fun and so so we 681 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: don't have to do ninety five shows a year and 682 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 1: play the Spike TV Video Game Awards and all this 683 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 1: dumb shit that people ask you to do. It's like, 684 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 1: that doesn't that's a that's a waste of my day. 685 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,879 Speaker 1: Someone's willing to flush my day, and not just that day, 686 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 1: like the day getting there, the day going home, just 687 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: flushed a whole fucking week down. It's to play Spike 688 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 1: TV Video Game Awards, you know what I mean, It's like, 689 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 1: that's not what we're doing. So actually that's why we 690 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 1: figured out a plan that I think has been working, 691 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 1: which is like, don't even look at sound scan, don't 692 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,400 Speaker 1: fucking bundle anything. Play shows that are fun, make records 693 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,359 Speaker 1: are fun. And the only pressing our old friends out 694 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 1: to play with us we've known for twenty years. It's 695 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 1: beautiful and we're the only press we're really doing is 696 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 1: like we did We're doing your podcast, we did the 697 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: Joe Rogan podcast, we did a couple of interviews, and 698 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 1: that that's fucking its album cycle for us. Yeah, it's perfect, 699 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 1: sounds really healthy, and it sounds like it'll be fun 700 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,839 Speaker 1: to make music. You'll probably make more of it, and 701 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: you'll do it for a longer time. That's the idea, 702 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 1: and enjoy life. I think that the other step, the 703 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 1: other step to it, is like figuring out that thing 704 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 1: that we started this conversation with, which is how we 705 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:25,280 Speaker 1: could use our agency in the business to highlight other artists, 706 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:26,840 Speaker 1: which we've been trying to do for years. But I 707 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,360 Speaker 1: mean Dan and I, between the two of us, have 708 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 1: worked on something like sixty albums. Wow, and no one 709 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 1: knows that. Yeah, you know, I was like, that's I 710 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:36,319 Speaker 1: talk at our manager, like, that's a bit of a 711 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 1: problem for us, Like when the person standing in the 712 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 1: front of the show last night doesn't know one tenth 713 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 1: of the music that Dan and I've made over the 714 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,879 Speaker 1: last eighteen years. And there's some good shit in there. 715 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 1: But it applies to all of our friends in the 716 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 1: music business who make records, and no one fucking knows. 717 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 1: It's hard because it's hard to discover it. Yeah, So 718 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,360 Speaker 1: I think that we're going to try to rather than spend, 719 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,239 Speaker 1: you know, one hundred and fifty days on the road, 720 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 1: try to spend like, you know, fifty days on the 721 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 1: road and spend one hundred days. I'm figuring out how 722 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 1: to fix that. That's great, Yeah, beautiful. When we come back, 723 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 1: Rick talks the Black Keys about some of their new songs. 724 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:22,719 Speaker 1: We're back with more of Rick's conversation with the Black Keys. Beautiful. 725 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,320 Speaker 1: Let's listen to a couple of songs on the new album. 726 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,840 Speaker 1: Do you want to make sure play play, play some 727 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 1: and then we'll talk about them. So tell me the process, 728 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: how that one come about? That one came about? We 729 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:44,279 Speaker 1: Pat wrote a drum machine over and it. It did 730 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 1: a little you could kind of manipulate the drum machine, 731 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,239 Speaker 1: and but it also had a little kind of baseline 732 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 1: that it did, like a little rhythm bass, you know 733 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 1: what I mean. And it had a little foot control 734 00:38:55,880 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 1: that would change major or minor. No, it was you 735 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:01,840 Speaker 1: could tell what it was. Yeah, And then I was 736 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,360 Speaker 1: playing bass with it. I mean I was changing major 737 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:09,839 Speaker 1: minor and Pat was manipulating the drum machine. Yeah, we both. 738 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 1: I found this drum machine on Reverb. This is like 739 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,280 Speaker 1: a website. It's like kind of like eBay for musical 740 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,840 Speaker 1: instruments that it's kind of amazing. And I found this 741 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 1: drum machine that I bought because it looks so ridiculous, 742 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 1: called like an auto orchestra, and I was like, that's 743 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,319 Speaker 1: just the kind of thing that a song comes out of. 744 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,759 Speaker 1: Like it's just it's just the kind of thing that 745 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 1: it will make a great song. So I brought it 746 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,879 Speaker 1: over to Dan's studio and I was like, fuck, Dan 747 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,239 Speaker 1: has the same fucking drum machine. I've never seen another one. 748 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,719 Speaker 1: I think the only other guy crazy enough to buy 749 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,279 Speaker 1: this ship is Dan. But only he didn't. He was 750 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 1: missing the crucial component, which is this keyboard thing. So 751 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:51,920 Speaker 1: we hooked it up and that song kind of came 752 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,279 Speaker 1: out within like an hour, like the music, and that's 753 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 1: the only song that has any sort of syn synthetic 754 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,760 Speaker 1: uh sound. You know. Everything else's organic, real bass, real guitar. 755 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 1: There's no keyboards on the record except for that little pad. 756 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 1: And then when did the vocal idea come that? That 757 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,399 Speaker 1: was all afterwards. I mean, it was just that started track. 758 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: You built it, you know what. I played it from 759 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 1: the start to the bottom without it an edit. I've 760 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:27,360 Speaker 1: just made We just made it. Yeah, it just popped 761 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,839 Speaker 1: right out. I had the intro and then the this 762 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 1: is this feels like verse, it feels like second verse. 763 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 1: Here's my turnaround and I'm just thinking and playing and 764 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,440 Speaker 1: it's this is a live take. And then I just 765 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,160 Speaker 1: started to layer the instruments on it and it just 766 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:47,319 Speaker 1: kind of popped in there. So cool. You don't play 767 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:52,319 Speaker 1: one of the live more live tracks, this is one. 768 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna play this one this because it's one of 769 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,160 Speaker 1: my favorites. It's one of my favorites on the record. 770 00:40:56,239 --> 00:41:01,040 Speaker 1: But I don't know if anybody else even likes it. 771 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,319 Speaker 1: It's just here we go under it's called under the gun. 772 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:09,160 Speaker 1: How did that one happen? Guitar and drums, guitar and 773 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:13,280 Speaker 1: drums and vocal and just through jamming. Yeah, it just arrived. 774 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,319 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we had this turn. Dan has played the 775 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,759 Speaker 1: this kind of kinksy reminded me of the King said 776 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,759 Speaker 1: do do Do Do Do? But actually I think, I 777 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 1: don't know, reminds me a few different things. But it 778 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,960 Speaker 1: just was to me, it was it kind of complicated 779 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,359 Speaker 1: the song because it was to me it was such 780 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,480 Speaker 1: a hook that we at one point we had it 781 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,799 Speaker 1: like fifteen times in the song and then we kind 782 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,640 Speaker 1: of cut it back. I still don't I don't know. 783 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,560 Speaker 1: I love it. I think it's one of those things 784 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,000 Speaker 1: where it's like it's it's the second to last song 785 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,200 Speaker 1: on the record, and you can just go to prove 786 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,279 Speaker 1: that most people don't listen to the whole albums. That 787 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:51,880 Speaker 1: was the first song that probably would have been to me, 788 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,399 Speaker 1: it would have been a single. Cool. I think, I mean, 789 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,279 Speaker 1: I play I said it to our our person that 790 00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,239 Speaker 1: does radio. I think that checked it out might be 791 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:04,719 Speaker 1: a good single. No, no response like good. I don't know. 792 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,440 Speaker 1: I don't know, man, what the fuck do we know? 793 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 1: Thanks to Dan and Patrick with the Black Keys for 794 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,560 Speaker 1: spending time with us at Broken Record. The new album 795 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,359 Speaker 1: Let's Rock is out now. You can check out more 796 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,719 Speaker 1: of the new record by visiting Broken Record podcast dot 797 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,600 Speaker 1: com and subscribeing to our playlist for the episode. You 798 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,760 Speaker 1: can also sign up for our behind the scenes newsletter 799 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,560 Speaker 1: while you're there. Broken Record is produced with help from 800 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,400 Speaker 1: Jason Gambrell and me LaBelle. Our theme music is by 801 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,440 Speaker 1: the great Kenny Beats. Stay tuned for next week's episode 802 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,360 Speaker 1: with Leonard Cohen's son Adam as he talks about his 803 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:42,200 Speaker 1: late father's new abum. I'm justin Richmond. Thanks for listening.