WEBVTT - Ep. 124: BEAR GREASE [RENDER] - The Final Word on David Crockett 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:16.160 My name is Clay Nukeleman. 0:00:16.239 --> 0:00:19.400 This is a production of the Bear Grease podcast called 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:23.759 The Bear Grease Render, where we render down, dive deeper, 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:28.240 and look behind the scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:34.400 presented by f HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:37.959 and fishing gear that's designed to be as rugged as 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:39.320 the place as we explore. 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:47.199 I don't know if y'all are aware of this, but 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:49.640 I am nursing pretty severe injury. 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:54.000 Oh what physical emotional. 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:57.240 Very a physical injury. I have been alternating ice and 0:00:57.280 --> 0:01:03.800 heat using a tens unit late. It's been kind of serious. 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:10.520 Because he's going to be on prayer chains all across 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:14.080 the country. Tell us what happens. 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:16.440 It's a lot better today. But I couldn't like turn 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:19.120 to the ride at all yesterday because I thought about sneezing. 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:22.760 I didn't sneeze, I just thought about it. I geared 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:23.280 up for it. 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:26.600 You injured yourself, thinking, tell the tell the story about 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:27.040 it happened. 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:29.520 Well, okay, so here's what really happened. I think what 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:32.080 happened is that I was actually I made a quilt 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:39.000 this weekend for my first ever grand niece, one of 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:44.560 the next generation of my nephew a child, and it's 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:47.080 the first one of that generation to have a child. 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:50.000 So I made a quilt. My mom came over and 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:53.560 helped me with it. Totally bit off, more than we 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:57.360 could chew in the time allotted for this project. And 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:00.840 so I just like sat over a sewing mission or 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:04.240 you know, uh, I was like all day lost. 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:10.040 I know, well, no, I mean, she's there's always deadline. 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:13.640 There's always dead like this. It's always there's a baby shower. Right, 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:15.920 there's a baby shower that has a date, and then 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:19.280 like three days before it's like, let's make this child 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:20.920 something that will last their life. 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:22.840 Well, to be honest, I bought the. 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:26.320 Would well, no, you can't buy something that will. 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:30.080 Tb that's right. Good. I actually purchased the materials for 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:35.200 this in January. It's been a busy year, you know, 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:38.480 and so so we and we have you're hunched over, 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:40.880 so munched over. So I think that probably my back 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:43.320 was like I'd rather you not be like this. You know, 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:44.480 this is too much for. 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:46.600 Birthdays. 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:53.600 Birthday I've never never felt like I've had accumulation of 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:56.400 birthdays quite like I did this second. So I get 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:58.840 to the end of it, I'm getting. I'm super happy. 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:01.760 We finish it like midnight, one in the morning, and 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:04.560 a sneeze comes on me, and I get ready to 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:07.720 go for it, right, I I get I have powerful sneezes. 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:10.520 I'm not. I'm not a meek and mild sneezer at all. 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:12.680 I wish I was. It's humiliating to me when I 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:17.440 sneeze awful. But one came on. I was alone, everybody 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:21.160 else had gone to bed and I and I didn't sneeze. 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:25.680 Nothing came out, but a muscle in my back seized up. 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:29.000 Sneezer. 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:34.120 It's horrible. I mean, just just like. And so Clay 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:36.640 wakes up in the morning and I said, hey, I 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:41.720 really hurt my back, I said, He said why, I said, Well, 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:43.280 to be honest, I thought about. 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:46.880 Sneezing anticipatory sneeze injury. 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:50.360 Incapacitated a walk, but. 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:52.800 Just just I thought about football. 0:03:56.240 --> 0:03:58.720 So Clay said that either, like, the best case scenario 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:03.240 is that I got a quilting and the worst scenario 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:06.040 is that I got an injury from thinking about. 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:14.000 We're so glad you could join us today, because you know, 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:16.599 I heard and I like this. 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:19.360 I like the thought of this. I like to think 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:21.880 about it like this. Aging. 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:28.560 Aging is actually the accumulation of error in your body 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:35.719 d N a replication. I feel like, okay, okay, maybe 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:39.120 I said it already, but when you think about aging, 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:44.560 it's actually, you know, your DNA replicates, and it's it's 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:48.400 an accumulation of error that makes you old and eventually 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:53.240 makes you die, and it has very things that happened. 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:56.160 There has to be a tipping point of that, right well, 0:04:56.160 --> 0:05:04.000 I think quilting injuries. There's got to be an inflection point. 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:07.479 It's so great to have you all here. To my right, 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:10.040 I have my dear friend Josh Landbridge Spillmaker. 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:11.479 Great glad to be. 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:14.720 Here, Josh, you have brought your lovely wife, who's also. 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:17.200 Yes, Hello, hello. 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:21.000 Render second time, I think, maybe even more. 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:25.240 To Christie's left is mister Newcomb. Great to have you, Misske, 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:31.120 doctor Newcomb. To Missy's I fancy scholar. 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:34.599 Misters right is doctor Britt Reeves. 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:37.240 Yes, yes, great squire. 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:39.560 How's this country life going, man? 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:43.760 It's it's more fun than than a bunsh of of puppies. 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:46.679 It's just I've getting lots of good feedback talking to people. 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:50.120 This is the feedback coming from kind of like a 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:53.120 like a like a wife and your daughter, like an 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:59.560 algal algorithmic circle of people that just bolster your confidence NonStop. 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:04.960 And it's my mom and my wife. Yep, that's who 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:06.719 it is. But this, man, it's going really good. 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:08.960 This last week. You talked about brim fishing. 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:10.320 Oh yeah, I don't know. 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:12.159 I haven't listened to that one yet. I'm really looking 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:12.440 forward to. 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:14.560 I haven't gotten I don't know how many pictures of 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:17.600 folks sending me and said, man, you inspired me get 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:19.279 out and go catch fish. And I'm like, man, this 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:20.960 is great. I hope they ain't going to where I 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:21.440 like to go. 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:22.000 Yeah. 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:24.919 Yeah, there's some mashing them. Man, they're catching fish and 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:27.640 lots of pictures of folks taking kids out fishing. 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:28.479 Oh that's great. 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:29.880 Oh, it's wonderful. 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:31.359 You know what's going to happen to you is what 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:35.479 happened to me and Daniel Boone. 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:36.080 What's that? 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:36.760 Oh? 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:42.559 Daniel Boone went into Kentucky in the late seventeen sixties. Yeah, 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:47.440 and found to him what was a paradise. It was 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:53.080 also the land and inhabited by you know, the Shawnees 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:57.960 and others. He hunted for two years and then within 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:01.320 thirty years of him going in there and being one 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:04.479 of the first white Europeans to cross the Cumberland Gap 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:07.640 and to go into Kentucky, within thirty years, Kentucky. 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:07.839 Was a state. 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:11.040 Oh what does this have to do with you? 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:13.720 Yeah, one day you're gonna go to your brim fishing 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:15.239 hole and it's gonna be covered with people. 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:16.960 It's gonna be a mall, it's going to be a 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:17.840 state a mall. 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:20.560 It's gonna be a star bus. 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:23.960 I've heard that's every time you'll tell the story. I 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:26.160 just keep bringing it down. I'm so sorry for that. 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:29.240 We got our friend. 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:37.880 No, No, that's but that's a That's a good thing 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:40.880 is when people do what you're inspiring them to do. 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:41.760 Yeah, fish. 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:46.360 And so today I've seen a few things around you 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:49.400 saying that brim is your favorite fish to eat, more than. 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:50.600 Crappy, more than anything. 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:52.400 Is it because of the taste or is it because 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:56.400 of the accessibility of crappy? Because sometimes I like something 0:07:57.240 --> 0:07:59.720 and I'm like, I like this better than that, And 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:05.120 it doesn't have to do with the thing. It more 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:07.480 has to do with things around the thing, Like this 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:10.240 thing is accessible to me, So I love it. And 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:13.080 I did it with my dad, and I can do it. 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:16.360 There's obviously a lot of nostalgia with it because it 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:19.600 was our favorite pastime. And usually anytime I catch a 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:24.000 crappie it's an accident. I'm not a very good crappy fisherman. So, 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:27.560 but you have a plate them side beside, you know, 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:30.600 I'm gonna I just prefer brim. I just love them. 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:33.520 Can you tell me that the describe to me the 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:36.040 difference between a brim and a crappie and taste. 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:40.200 Can you one's good, one's better? Okay, I mean I can't. 0:08:40.240 --> 0:08:42.320 I can't give you that. I can't give you that. Now. 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:43.880 You know how if we had a guess here, I 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:47.679 would have you describe in detail what we're wearing. Yeah, 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:51.960 here's a plate of brim, a plate of crappy. Talk 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:54.400 to me about why one tastes different than the other. 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:56.520 Well, I like brim out of the river more than 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:59.120 I do out of a steel water out of a lake. Okay, 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:02.400 they taste better to me. It's a fresher taste. And 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:05.280 people say, you know this tastes fishy, Well, it's fish. 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:07.080 That's what fish should taste. 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:12.640 Yeah, nobody says this hamburgers too, hamburgers. It tastes cowie, cowie. 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:15.560 It's whatever you like to eat. It's like gamy. You 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:19.600 know whatever that's game doesn't taste gamy. It tastes like 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:23.080 what it is. Bears tastes like bear. Deer tastes like deer, 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:28.719 crappie have. The meat is a little whiter, probably it's 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:31.319 a little whiter than what what brim are. But they're 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:35.520 they know they're different fish. So I just my palate 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:40.360 I grew up. If you put numbers on the on 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:43.839 fish that I ate growing up, it would be brim 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:48.040 by far the most, and then catfish and then everything else. 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:50.320 How many actual brim do you think you've eaten? 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:53.560 I would. 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:58.440 I'm gonna meet somebody, and when I do, I'm gonna 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:00.760 give them a hug and like and bottom would be 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:02.640 my friend for the rest of their life if they 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:05.320 can tell me how many brim they've eaten in their life. 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:09.680 I quit counting Whalen's coonsye tree, last year, sometime after 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:10.760 three hundred and fifty. 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:13.320 Now I was I was pretty impressed that you were 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:16.240 keeping track, yep, of the amount of coons that here. 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:19.120 But I couldn't tell you. I couldn't even. 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:21.800 So, Missy and I ate some fish this week. Miss 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:25.080 He's not a big fish person. I'm not when I when. 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:28.360 I'm disciplining myself because I want those omagas. 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:30.960 When me and Miss nukembe crossed paths and our lives 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:34.000 became one. She didn't like fish, so it kind of 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:35.040 inherited anything. 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:38.840 Yeah. You know when people say it tastes fishy, I'm like, 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:42.480 and that's not good. And that's what this entire species 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:47.959 tastes like more or less. Yeah, and you know, I 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:54.080 was probably not raised on fine fish. 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:56.280 Catfish. 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:57.720 You don't like that either. 0:10:57.920 --> 0:10:59.840 When we would go to restaurants and they would fry 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:02.040 their French fries in the same oil that they would 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:04.120 fry their fishing, I'd be like, I don't like these 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:05.440 French fries, gotcha? 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:07.679 I mean that was so this week. 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:12.439 I was in Alaska back in May and we caught 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:15.760 a halibit, about a eighty pound halibit, which was a 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:17.960 pretty fun thing to watch. I was in the boat. 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:20.360 I didn't catch it, but Christy, do you know what 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:22.200 halib it is? It's a big. 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:25.360 Flat Yes, it looks like a big flounder. 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:25.760 Man. 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:27.320 So a halibut. 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:32.240 If I was explaining this to Brint the other day, standard, 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:36.079 a standard brim would be upright in the water. He 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:39.719 would be thin and tall, and his fins would be oriented. 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:42.360 You know, his dorsal fin would be pointing towards the sun. 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:45.599 His tail would be pointing south, his mouth would be 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:52.120 pointing north. A halibit would be exactly like a brim. 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:55.959 His mouth would be exactly like that, except turned flat 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:59.520 so that his dorsal fin would be pointing like on 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:02.680 the ground. But both his eyes are on the top side, 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:04.800 on the same side of his head. So when you 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:08.280 get him and turn him upright, it looks like it 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:09.240 messed up fish. 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:12.200 So I wouldn't just see those hand motions again. 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:16.840 This is a brim. This is a brim swimming through 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:20.160 the water. This is a halibit swimming through the water, 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:24.360 except the halibu has two eyes on top. A brim 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:26.120 has two eyes on the side. 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:29.360 It was like Stamer. 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:31.400 Yes, So this week we. 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:37.480 I fried some halibate, And this story just keeps getting deeper. 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:39.120 This story is making its own gravy. 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:42.920 I went, I wanted to fry halibu, and I went 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:46.760 to the cupboard where we keep our bear grease, which 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:49.360 I thought we had like ten jars, to be honest 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:53.120 with you, and there was one jar. Gosh, and that 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:57.880 one jar was from the rendering in at bear Camp 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:00.440 two years ago, I mean, coming up on two years. 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:01.839 How was it? Well? 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:04.600 I opened it up, and I have in the past 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:06.280 I have used bear grease was a year and a 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:09.040 half old, and so this is more than a year 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:10.920 and a half old. And I opened it up, and 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:15.920 with age it the odor becomes stronger. It's not bad. 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:19.800 It's not rancid like you would know of rancid odor. 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:26.160 It was a stronger odor, and I went, well, it's 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:31.080 not bad. So I got the pan hot, poured it in. Initially, 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:33.800 the first three minutes of putting that barrel in there 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:37.079 there was a it kind of had a stronger odor, 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:39.920 not a bad odor, just a musty, little musty odor. 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:43.880 And then once the oil got hot, it completely clarified 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:47.560 and I fried that halibate in that fish and it 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:52.800 was incredible. There was zero, zero taste of what being. 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:57.080 Barrel lasted almost two years on the shelf. Non refracer. 0:13:57.360 --> 0:14:00.600 Be careful people listening, always check for this. I wouldn't. 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:03.240 I wouldn't normally recommend people eat a year and a 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:06.120 half old and actually smelling it. At the beginning, I 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:07.800 was like, I don't know that I want any of that. 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:10.439 But I ate the halibt because and I've eaten trout 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:14.240 this summer that bear got I think he got with you, Josh, 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:21.680 and and I'm I'm developing a tolerance. It's that that 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:26.040 fish tasted good. I mean it really good, was really good. 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:30.680 It truly didn't have any type of like butter and 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:32.720 brit said the same thing about trout. But honestly, the 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:34.880 trout we cooked it in this garlic scape butter, and 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:37.400 it was so good and I didn't taste any fishiness 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:37.920 to the trout. 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:40.320 It's so trasture. 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:44.440 That is a little bit of a that's is like, okay, 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:47.360 this is this. The texture is what has been a 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:49.680 turn off to me. But I actually really liked the 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:53.880 Halibit there was no no interesting aftertaste. And and really 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:57.280 Clay just like pulled off of Pinterest or something. It's 0:14:57.360 --> 0:14:59.120 the the this battle. 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:05.520 I'm not on Interest, but I don't think that it 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:06.640 was a good batter. 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:14.000 It's a batter that used uh flour and bread crumbs. 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:17.120 It was commination, so it wasn't a cornmeal batter for 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:18.440 that flounder, and it was. 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:19.240 It was very good. 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:21.040 It was very Yeah, it was really good. 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:22.240 Yeah. 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:25.400 But the the halib, it it's it's almost like a 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:26.160 chicken strip. 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:31.040 You can break it and very Have you had it, Christy? 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:33.920 Yes, I love it. Where have you had hal I've 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:41.240 had it in Seattle really good, steamed, steamed. I've had 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:43.680 it steamed, broiled, never fried. 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:47.880 Oh yeah, fried. I think the way to go. 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:48.160 Man. 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:52.760 Okay, So when do you want us to come over? 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:56.880 I would love to have you should come over, they supplied. 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:02.400 Christy feeds me all the time. Click. Something big has 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:05.240 happened that we haven't touched on yet, and that is 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:09.640 Banjo has been back from boot camp for a couple 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:12.440 of weeks and you haven't been ready to talk about it. Yeah. 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:18.520 So if you recall, for those of you listeners to 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:25.640 the Bear Groose Render the Back last year, I talked 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:30.920 about how I had Green broke Banjo. I'm trying to 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:33.640 figure out how the best way to describe it. I 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:37.160 was writing him in a round pin. I've got where 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:39.560 he would take a saddle. We could get on him, 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:42.200 we could ride him in a round pin. Last year, 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:45.240 I used him to pack in bear bait in a 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:47.400 place where we pack him bar bait, so he's been 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:50.960 packed quite a bit, meaning he would use carry saddle 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:54.320 panniers full of stuff loaded down and would have got 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:58.080 a lot of exposure to just planet Earth by doing that. 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:02.200 But last year he two different times. 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:03.160 Bucked me off. 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:08.560 He went wayward, he did, and it was my fault though, 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:10.479 and I knew that it was. I knew that it 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:13.000 was my Why you keep covering for this animal, Well, 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:17.360 it's because it's it's it's relevant, Josh. It's relevant because. 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:21.119 I just too quickly. I didn't do enough groundwork. 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:24.800 I didn't I long trained him too, which means when 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:28.240 I trained Izzy, I had her for the most part 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:31.440 trained in about sixty days because I messed with her 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:34.639 every day for sixty days, right, and went from almost 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:36.400 zero to ridinger in sixty days. 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:38.000 Was it is he the one you did the video 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:38.800 series on. 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:42.760 Okay and I still have her Okay Banjo. It was 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:44.160 more like over a year. 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:46.639 I did what I did in sixty days with Izzy, 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:47.960 and it just didn't. 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:50.800 Stick as well, and it's not as consistent. 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:52.480 Now as consistent, and he bucked me off twice. 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:56.000 Well, I felt like that it was my fault that 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:59.639 I that I rushed him, and so I asked Dad 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:01.240 and you guys what I should do. 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:04.720 I had a really good mule man in Prai Grove 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:05.680 eighty years old. 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:09.439 I told him about Banjo and he he wanted me 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:12.800 to quit talking so that he could say get rid 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:15.720 of the mule, which was good advice, point being when 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:19.119 when I said the mule bucked me off, what should I? 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:20.840 And he was like, get rid of it? 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:23.719 In his mind, it's like, why would you mess with 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:25.720 an animal that already had to strike against it? 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:28.920 Because a mule bucking you off is. 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:31.240 Kind of in a way like a biting dog, you know, 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:37.000 it's it's it's like, well maybe not but everybody, yeah, yeah, 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:37.879 oh he's nice. 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:38.960 Yeah, just so. 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:42.000 But I really felt like that it was my fault 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:46.439 and that he, deep inside had all the characteristics I 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:48.640 was looking for in a mule. But Clay messed up. 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:52.080 And so I remember my dad on this very show 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:54.399 said get rid of it. 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:57.480 It's not worth it, get rid of it, and I. 0:18:57.400 --> 0:19:04.640 About one of our kids, and I thought he was right, 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:07.320 and he probably was at the time. 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:08.360 It could have gone either way. 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:10.960 But I went ahead and invested in Banjo and sent 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:16.199 him to to the mill trainer, which is just a 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:16.800 great guy. 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:19.959 Something we should probably consider doing with some of our kids. 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:21.000 I would. 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:25.240 I would my kid there, I would. 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:28.240 And he came back with a nice haircut. I mean, 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:30.960 Banjo kind of went a little bit flashy, and he 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:33.560 came back kind of humble. I mean, had a very 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:36.159 tight you know, it was like he had been at 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:36.600 boot camp. 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:38.440 For everybody gets a buzz cut when you get the 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:38.880 boot cut. 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:43.960 He got four shoes, and he came home a lot 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:47.880 more humble. And I've ridden him every day that I've 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:50.520 been home since the day I got him, other than 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:54.960 two days, so I've traveled a few days during that time, 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:58.000 so not counting those days, but only two days that 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:00.800 I've been home have I chosen not to write him. 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:02.119 So I've probably ridden. 0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:07.080 Him ten times, sometimes as much as two hours, sometimes 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:11.080 as little as thirty minutes. I've taken him on roads 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:15.760 with traffic. I've walked him up to pedestrians with dogs. 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:20.680 I've had him cross creeks, I've had him walk under bridges. 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:26.919 I've had him in all varieties of binds, walked him 0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:31.680 through creeks, like when you're running one like this, you're 0:20:31.720 --> 0:20:34.959 trying to find his cracks as quickly as possible so 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:38.280 you know what to expect. And then when he passes 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:41.560 the test, you gain confidence in him. 0:20:42.320 --> 0:20:44.840 And he's doing very. 0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:47.400 On a scale, well, on a scale of one to ten. 0:20:48.200 --> 0:20:50.640 What was he when you took him over there? Oh? 0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:51.480 Three? 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:52.800 What is he now? 0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:58.359 For the stage that he's at, he's probably an eight. 0:20:58.920 --> 0:21:02.359 But in the big mules, in the in the in 0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:05.960 the green broke mule category, he's an eight or nine. 0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:10.320 In the finished mule category, he's probably a five. 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:12.520 Oh there's a different category. 0:21:12.640 --> 0:21:14.480 Yeah, I'm just saying it's compared to what he was 0:21:14.520 --> 0:21:15.119 when you take. 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:15.680 And he's how old? 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:17.280 He's five years old? 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:21.200 Okay, so I've had him since he was weaned. 0:21:21.480 --> 0:21:23.440 You can't teach an old mule and new trick. 0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:25.879 Well, is the life span of a mule? 0:21:26.400 --> 0:21:29.800 Lifespan of the mule is going to be thirty plus 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:33.000 years most of the time. Yeah, I've got a good 0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:37.080 twenty more working years, long enough to kill you. I 0:21:37.119 --> 0:21:39.120